WEBVTT - #674 Packers Unscripted: Nothing’s ever easy 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:10.320 Hi, everyone, Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.520 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.040 by my trusted colleague Weston hod Kowitz. Were coming to 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.960 you here from our studios at lambeau Field, and I'll 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.680 begin this episode with an apology because late last week 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.160 something unexpected came up. I had to work from home 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.680 for a couple of days. Therefore, our second episode of 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.680 Unscripted was canceled last week. Not part of the plan, 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.040 but I'm back. I was in the press box on 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.760 Sunday to cover Packers Patriots, which turned out to be 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:44.120 a wild game, a Green Bay overtime victory at lambeau 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:48.400 Field and west the old adages there's nothing that ever 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:50.920 comes easy in the NFL, and this game was the 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:53.760 epitome of that. And with that coach, right, we all 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.640 expected all week long, Bill Belichick is going to have 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:58.760 a plan because we knew right from Friday there was 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.400 gonna be no Mac Jones out there, so Brian Horyer 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:03.560 is going to be the quarterback. You knew you're gonna 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.399 see a lot of Romandre Stevenson, you knew Damien Harris, 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:07.920 those guys were gonna be a big part of the 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.039 game plan, and defensively they were gonna mix it up. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:12.880 I mean, one of the things that Larry McCarron said 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.400 last week that really held true is the amount of 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:19.080 different looks Belichick's defenses are going to give you. And 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.880 for the Green Bay Packers, it was a really interesting 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:25.759 two halves for them. Offensively, got off to a slow start, 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:30.800 some turnovers, some unexpected things happened on that side of things. Defensively, 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:34.279 lockdown for the most part in the first half, Brian 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.120 Hoyer goes out with the concussion and then you have 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.040 Bailey's Appy comes in rookie fourth round pick out of 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:45.759 Western Kentucky. Second half, kind of a switch. Offensively, three 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.760 straight drives or the Packers put up points, but defensively 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.320 having a hard time stopping both those running backs in 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.600 the play action game. But at the end of the day, 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.280 when the Packers had the gotta have them series to 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.840 win this game, they accomplished the goal. Yeah. What stood 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.400 to me about this game and it's it's unsettling for 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.880 the fans, and trust me, it's unsettling in some respects 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.000 for the coaches and players as well. Is on both 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.160 sides of the ball offensively and defensively. There were wild 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.720 swings in this game in terms of how the Packers 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.440 are playing. You mentioned that you you detailed some of 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.639 it there. Aaron Rodgers went into halftime with an eleven 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.480 point to passerrating when he throws that pick six right 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.120 at the end of the first half, only the fourth 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.200 of his career, only the second one at lambeau Field 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.959 in his career, eleven point to passer rating. But then 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.320 in the second half he throws for over two yards 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:37.160 a couple of touchdowns. His second half passer rating was 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.679 like one thirty plus, you know, something like that. So 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.720 Rogers got himself back to form. But you know that 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:46.920 that was, you know, a wild swing there, a big 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.800 pendulum back and forth in terms of the offense, and 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:54.280 same thing with the defense where Zappy wasn't doing much 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:58.440 for the Patriots offense for the bulk of the game. 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.600 But then two series in the second half, the power 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.639 running game, a couple of key play action plays off 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:08.000 of it, and the Patriots in very short order, actually 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:11.320 without even facing a third down on either of those 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:15.120 touchdown drives, they put up fourteen points with that rookie 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.799 fourth round pick at quarterback and you're sitting there going 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.440 what is going on with the Packers defense? How does 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.160 how does it this? You know, this Jekyll and Hide thing, 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.040 you know, continue to show up. But you said it 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.040 West when when the chips were down and when the 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.239 Packers had to have it, they got it on both 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:36.880 sides of the ball. Because offensively, you had that final 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.600 drive in overtime. You drain the last six minutes and 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:43.560 forty seven seconds of the overtime period twelve place seventy 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.240 seven yards a J. Dillon with the power running a 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.120 big third down conversion to Randall Cobb, and it sets 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.680 up the walk off field goal. Defensively, after those two 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:56.360 touchdown drives, the Patriots did not get a first down 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.040 the rest of the game, three three and outs, including 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:03.440 the most important on coming in overtime where they had 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.800 taken over at midfield, I believe, on their own forty 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.640 nine yard line. So you're looking at what maybe sixteen 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:14.480 seventeen eighteen yards probably one first down, but not necessarily 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.120 even two first downs, and they're in position to kick 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.040 a field goal and win the game. And the Packers 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:21.760 got a three and out and got the ball back, 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.360 took over on their own ten yard line and won 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.719 the ball game. So the for as much as last 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:32.239 week against Tampa Bay, the sort of the the crunch time, 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.560 the clutch moments. The Packers made one of them, the 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.839 two point conversion stop right, but offensively and defensively, it 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.920 was like, boy, that wasn't going well down the stretch. 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.960 There were clutch moments on both sides of the ball here, 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.720 offensively and defensively for the Packers to pull this one out, 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.120 and they needed every single one of them. Yeah, I'm 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.600 sure when the team gets back in the building, when 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.040 they start breaking down this game and moving on now 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:57.880 to the New York Giants, there's gonna be a lot 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.440 of great teachable moments on both as a ball and 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.880 really all three phases. But it's fun from my perspective 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:05.960 because I felt like this is a teachable moment for 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.080 Packer fans too. You know, we talk all the time 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.360 about why you need to stop the run. Well, when 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.560 you talk about them not giving up those first downs 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.560 at the end, it's because they were containing the run better. 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.159 They weren't allowing you know, those two backs to gash 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:22.680 for five six yards. Because I would argue and I 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.159 didn't do the charting of it, but I bet every 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.240 single one is Appi's or at least most of them. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.160 His passes he completed were all off play actions. I'm 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.920 almost positive they were the play action crossers. They weren't 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.480 reinventing the wheel with this offense. When they moved on 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:40.560 to quarterback number three, Bill Belichick put that young man 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.839 in a really good position to succeed. And that's what 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:48.520 great Hall of Fame coaches are gonna do for Green Bay. 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.880 It's really going to come down to the physicality piece. 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.680 That's what Matt Lafleur mentioned. You asked the question on 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.720 Monday about this run defense and where you want to 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.240 be able to clean things up. It comes down to 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.320 the gap fitting. It comes down to make en sure 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.360 that those gaps to begin with aren't too big. I 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.640 will say the one thing that you and it's gonna 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.520 be very important if he's not available on Sunday, losing 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.760 Adrian Amos. I thought this was kind of an eye 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.520 opener too, for for what he provides. It's not just 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.159 about Rudy Ford going in at safety. It's about the 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.920 fact that Adrian Amos since he signed here, has been 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.520 the general of this defense. They have their signal caller, 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.400 they have the guy relaying them intove Andre Campbell. But 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.000 Amos is a guy that has played in every situation 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.880 green Bay has needed him to. If I may the 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.720 where was green Bay able to win this game? As 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.320 good as the Patriots were running the ball, the Packers 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.440 were just a little bit better. And when you were 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.919 able to get a hundred and ninety rushing yards and 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.480 a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers that you know is going 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.039 to bounce back from a rough first half, it was 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.040 the perfect recipe for Green Bay to be able to 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.760 stitch together the drives to pull out the victory. Yeah. Well, 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.640 in terms of the individual performances in this game, I 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.840 already mentioned Aaron Rodgers and how he went from I 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.239 think statistically that eleven point to passerading the worst first 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.119 half of his entire your career, UH to getting back 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.000 to his old self in the second half. But the 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.599 two guys, the two guys that jump out at us 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:11.600 are Romeo Dobbs on offense and Rashawn Gary on defense. 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:15.960 And with Dobbs, I know the fumble early in the game, Yes, 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.080 he needs to secure the ball better. He knows that 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.080 Aaron Rodgers needs to give him a better pass on 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.760 that wide receiver screen. He knows that as well. And 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.640 Dobbs needs to be able to haul in that that 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.880 forty yard touchdown in the in the fourth quarter. Unfortunately, couldn't, 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.200 you know, maintain control of the ball as he hit 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.680 the ground. But when you look at the whole body 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.720 of work these last two weeks of what Romeo Dobbs 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:42.080 has done in this offense, He's going to continue to 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.560 get more and more involved and see more and more opportunities. 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.120 That back shoulder touchdown on third down from the thirteen 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:54.640 yard line um Aaron Rodgers throws. Aaron Rodgers throws touchdowns 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.840 like that to the Jordy Nelson's and the Davante Adams 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:59.680 and the Randall Cobbs of the world who have been 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.239 playing with him for a long time. He's been playing 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.680 with Romeo Dobbs for four games, and down by seven 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.920 points in the fourth quarter on a third down in 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.520 the red zone, he went back shoulder to the rookie 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.720 and it was perfectly executed. Those are the types of 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:17.440 plays that just tell you Romeo Dobbs is just getting started. 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.400 And they don't run the back shoulder as much as 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.080 they did four or five years ago. It's in the repertoire, 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.640 it's on the menu, but it's not go to play 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:29.360 for them in this type of offense. I really, as 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.880 much as people want to talk about that fumble, as 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:33.719 much as you know that drop was the number one 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.120 thing he was asked about in the locker room afterwards, 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.920 I don't care about any of it right now because 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.280 the bigger story to me is the fact of what 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:46.160 happened after the adversity, being able to come back after 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.480 the fumble and behaving catching that pass to get Green 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:51.480 Bay back in the game in the second half, making 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.880 a really good play on the ball, his natural ability, 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.720 his ability to turn his hips, you know, get himself 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:00.000 framed up correctly and win that one on one. That's huge. 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.120 But to me even bigger was the run solutions on 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.400 the twelve place seventy seven yard drive at the end 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.440 of the game. That is a situation one where if 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.559 the Packers don't have confidence in Romeo Dobbs, he's not 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.719 going to be out there. That's a two minute situation. 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.280 Packers have one basic series not only to try to score, 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.080 but also the run out. As much as this clock 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.240 as you can to protect the tie. Romeo Dobbs was 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.680 out there. Rogers liked what he saw in terms of 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.520 how far the Patriots are playing off throws out those 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.400 two quick passes. I'm back to back plays, Mike. It 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.839 was like schoolyard football. They ran the same play back 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.320 to back, and the Patriots didn't change how they defended it. Yeah, 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.520 the only thing that was different was the one Dobbs 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.800 was lined up further to the outside. The second one 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.400 he was actually lined up closer to the formation, and 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.920 Rogers still flipped it to him anyway, because the Patriots 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.079 weren't really guarding that side. He was one on one 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.400 out there, and Rogers said, okay, kid, go get a 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.360 some yards the Randall Cobb third and one conversion. That's 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.679 the play of the game. But but Dobbs as catches 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:58.040 there are what made a Okay, looks like Mason Crosby 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.360 is gonna be in the field goal range. Go to Okay, 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.600 Now we're entering getting into the comfort zone of Mason 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.480 Grosby's field goal range and being able to run the 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:06.959 ball the way they did with a J. Dillon light 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.360 treadit to Dobbs. Man I've said it, You've said it, 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.400 Matt Lafleurs said it. The young man carries himself in 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:17.839 a very even keeled manner and he plays that way too. Yeah. Absolutely, Well, 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.439 you mentioned the third down conversion to uh to Cob, 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:25.800 we both talked about that one in overtime. There were two. 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:31.280 There were two just classic Aaron Rodgers throws third down 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.920 conversions in the second half that that we're really pivotal, 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.480 pivotal in this game. The one is on the opening 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.480 drive of the second half where you know, Rogers is 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.680 actually thrown two incomplete passes to start to drive. It's 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.760 third and ten and he gives Alan Lazard a shot 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.960 on a goal ball down the right sideline and uh, 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.640 you know, the ball is in a perfect spot and 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:57.520 it's a fantastic catch by Alan Nazar to dive layout, 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:02.440 make that grab, move the chains, and that play, I 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.520 really thought was the one that jump started green bas 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:07.880 offense and you started to see Aaron Rodgers and the 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:09.920 rest of these guys, the the whole unit kind of 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:13.960 snapped back into what we were thinking and hoping that 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.600 it was going to be. The Other one that really 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.400 stood out to me was on the tying touchdown drive 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.880 in the fourth quarter, which ended with the Dobbs TD 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.480 on the back shoulder to tie the game. At early 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.320 in that drive, the Packers down by seven, They're facing 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.160 third and six in their own territory and who does 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.840 he go to? The old reliable Randall Cobb. It was 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:38.000 a um. It was a combination route on on that 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.120 side of the field. Cobb was Cobb was kind of 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:45.360 running an inn in and then out, and Christian Watson 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.080 was outside of him running a go down the sideline, 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:53.120 and Watson's go route kept the safety ten yards back. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.400 He completely had to respect watson speed in case that 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.480 in case Rogers was going to take the deep shot, 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.240 Cobb break makes off his route to the sideline and 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.960 uh and Rogers just lays it in there absolutely perfectly 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.240 twenty four yards converts a huge third and six that 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.240 then allows the Packers to tie the game. Those were 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.840 the signs that this this Packers offense it's there. Yes, 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.240 it's it's been fits and starts. The first half against 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.640 Tampa Bay was great. The second half was lousy. The 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.959 first half against New England was lousy except for the 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:24.960 one drive that was all on the ground for the 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.400 touchdown but then the second half this the Packers offense 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.520 looked as close to unstoppable as as it's looked um 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.400 in quite some time. The signs are there. When is 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:39.400 the when is a greater level of consistency going to arise? 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.920 That's what we're waiting to find out. But but the 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.640 signs are there on on both sides of the ball 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:46.640 for this team, I believe. Yeah. Talking with A. J. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.360 Dillon a little bit after the game too, he reiterated 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.600 what basically the entire offense said all offseason, which is 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:56.040 so much as this is concentration is on the receiving corps. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.040 Oh what have they done? And who do they have? 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:02.160 You need to be able to appreciate and understand why 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:06.440 Rogers is high on Alan Lazard in Randall Cobb and 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.520 being able to have a guy like Sammy Watkins come 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.600 in or Robert Tony in coming back and catching that 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.640 steam route in the touch in the end zone, bang bang, 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.680 play knows the safety is coming, got to hold onto 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.640 the football and he does it because those are the 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.000 type of plays that it goes beyond what your forty 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.640 time is, It goes beyond what your size is. It's 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.520 about the heart and will and being on that same 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.920 wavelength with Rogers those passes, some of these these third 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.160 down conversions he's had. I think there's only been you know, 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.920 Cobb has seven or eight pack receptions this year. I 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:39.040 believe Mike there might have been a one foot window 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:42.040 among all of them. I mean there have been hairline 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.320 on a rope passes that Cobb is not only as 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.360 Rogers had to thread the needle to get it to him, 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.839 Cobb has to catch that in rhythm because there's a 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.880 lot of traffic around him as he's doing it. And 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.199 and this game was a perfect embodiment to that. Also 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.240 from Alan Bazards, you're spot on. If you don't catch 0:13:58.280 --> 0:13:59.920 that ball in third and ten, the second half star 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.560 still look a lot different for green that does. Crowd 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.400 reaction to that would have been a lot different. But 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:08.720 Lazard six catches whatever it was a sixty four of 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.480 those catches over nineteen yards. I mean an explosive playing 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.080 machine in that game for green Back. Yeah. Absolutely. I 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:16.920 want to ask you one other thing here before we 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.760 move on to some other topics. Rashan Gary gets a 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.600 two SAT game, including a strip sack where he gets 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.000 the sack the force fumble and the fumble recovery, all 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:29.680 by himself has five sacks and four games. Doesn't take 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.200 a genius with math to figure out that that's a 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:37.280 that's on pace for twenty maybe even twenty one sacks here. Now, 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.640 I know it's only four games into the season, but 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:41.840 what kind of a sack number do you think Rashan 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.760 Gary's gonna put up this season? Is he legitimately gonna 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.440 get twenty? I mean, thanks to the National Football League 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.560 getting that seventeen game, he might have a shot at it. 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.440 A lot to see how things look at the end 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.160 of the year and if the starters are playing. But 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.480 I'll say this, Mike, that first sack he had, I'm 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.560 Brian Hoyer. I leaned over to you. I leaned over 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.800 to our ball us, Duke Bober. It was a completely 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:06.400 legal hit. Gary did everything right, but it reminded me 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.800 of the kid that's just a little bit bigger and 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.480 a little bit faster in the middle school playground and 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.960 somebody gets hurt because the kids just playing the way 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.840 he should play. But he's just that powerful. Um. I 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:23.480 when I think I audibly did like, oh when I 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.080 saw him coming in on on Hoyer, because The problem 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:30.440 was is that he beat his blockers so badly that 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:34.440 his entire rush was acceleration, you know, because sometimes it's 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.880 it's power to speed right. You gotta get through and 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.560 then you accelerate towards the quarterback. It was like he 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.920 was shot off a line and a tractive field meat 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.240 and Horrior was standing twenty yards down field. It was 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:49.760 a freight train coming at him. Five sacks. Certainly you 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.040 look at the quarterback pressures. That's the big stat Matt 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:56.120 Lafleur talks about he's affecting games, and he's affecting the 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.440 quarterback in more and more teams now are having to 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.240 take into account all of that. Yeah, no question about it. 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.560 I'll take care of some sponsor business here West at 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.320 Cousin Subs. Oh you know what, I'll start with Cousin 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.080 Subs today. 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It involved the Minnesota 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:49.080 Vikings in the New Orleans Saints and um, another dramatic 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:53.000 down to the wire type of game with uh, you know, 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.360 people wondering, Okay, so how come you know, how come 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.560 the Packers struggle so much when the Patriots are on 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.320 their third string quarterback, its r, etcetera. Well, the New 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.680 Orleans Saints were missing Jamis Winston, Alvin Kamara and Michael Thomas, 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.840 and Minnesota Vikings couldn't put them away either. And if 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.360 not for the double doink from sixty one yards, Will 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.320 Lutz would have would have sent that game to overtime 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.600 and made made some history of his own having drilled 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.480 a sixty yard or earlier in that fourth quarter to 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:26.880 tie the game. Um. What a game though in London, UM, 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:31.320 Tottenham Hotspur Stadium was certainly got an entertaining one. And 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.600 we'll see what happens when the Packers take the field 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.000 in that same stadium this Sunday. Yeah, because my my 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:40.120 biggest takeaway that game was just how gosh darn goodwill 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:43.879 lots is respect for him for a long time, but 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:47.399 my god, I mean he he he hit that, that's 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.840 that's sixty one yard or that hit the upright and 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.560 then hit the crossbar. It was it was. I mean 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.879 he he made it look almost effortless. I mean, as 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:57.639 soon as the ball came off his foot, You're like, 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:59.639 oh my gosh, he might make that. I was actually 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.399 surprised that it fell short. You know, well, I didn't 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:03.920 it hit the ball, but it hit the hit the 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:05.719 upper I was gonna say too. I mean, has there 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.520 ever been a situation where where kickers made to sixty 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.600 yard field goals? Wouldn't's why I say he would have 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.680 made NFL if that had gone through. No kickers ever 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.600 made two of sixty plus in the same game. I 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:21.280 talked with Alan Lazard after the game. Um, because I'm 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.040 working on a game program this week go figure on 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.840 London and the Packers playing there. And Allen is a huge, 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.760 huge soccer fans, so he's excited about the trip in 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.159 and of itself. But he said watching that Saints and 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:37.240 Vikings game and what the crowd was like for both teams. 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.480 I mean, it was sixty minutes of pandemonia for the 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.159 most part. And the fact that I think everybody believes 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:46.119 that this crowd is probably gonna tilt and skew a 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:47.800 little bit more towards Green Day with it being their 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.560 first trip out there. Lazard was just over the moon 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.879 about this opportunity, and I think that's gonna be the 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.200 coolest part about it is. I'm sure throughout the year, 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.080 you know, guys, you know, fans will probably become a 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:00.600 little bit more numb to it. But that first came 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:01.960 out of the gate, the little bit that I was 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:03.880 able to watch in the second half of that matchup, 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:07.280 that was a live atmosphere and they had a great 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.719 game to watch. Yeah, absolutely well. That victory put the 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.920 Vikings at three and one, tied with the Packers atop 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.200 the the NFC North, both teams currently three and one. 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:23.440 The Packers opponent this Sunday, the New York Giants, also 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.400 three and one, after a victory over the Chicago Bears. 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.639 And I'm gonna put you on the spot here because 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:32.800 I forgot to kind of look up what the latest 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.320 was with regard to the Giants quarterback situation. This week 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.879 is has there been any update to that news so 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.359 as I haven't looked this morning, but as of yesterday, 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.120 Tyrod Taylor was in the concussion protocol and the way 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.600 that they said it, um, I'm forgetting the new head 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:51.639 coaches name Brian Dable. Brian Dable said that, you know, 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.440 basically Daniel Jones is day to day, so it looks 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:55.920 like he'll be Jones will be good to go. But 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:59.359 losing Taylor, I mean a very interesting matchup against the Bears, 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.000 where then say Jon Barkley is potentially the quarterback, and 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.439 a lot of things working them weary out. But the 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.600 number one thing will preview this later this week, but 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:11.320 this game again reiterated, when the Giants are riding, say 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:16.040 Kwon Barkley, he's healthy, they are formidable, Mike, because he 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:19.240 is not an easy object to stop. Yeah, absolutely, he's 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.600