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Speaker 1: because I want all of the myths and misconceptions straightened out. Today,

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Speaker 1: him as someone that comes in at what they call Ghostbusters.

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Speaker 1: The Black Attorney General for America. He is someone that

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Speaker 1: during his administration, whether it's African in these s whole countries,

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Speaker 1: or whether it is when the white supremacist was trying

433
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Speaker 1: to take that standing in the way of taking down

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Speaker 1: the Confederate flags and he said there were good people

435
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Speaker 1: on both sides, or this latest thing that he said

436
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: him in his Attorney General bar that there is no

437
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: such thing and systemic racism that exists in America. And

438
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: so if a client says something trying to say, I'm

439
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: praying for Donald Trump, you can best believe ain't no

440
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: behind it associated with me if I has them to

441
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: say that, as much as I opposed everything that man

442
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: stands for, but what you don't do is get between

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Speaker 1: a person and their faith, a person in their God.

444
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: They have to live up to who they believe in

445
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Speaker 1: and so forth. And so hopefully that puts that to

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Speaker 1: bed test, because it's just when I think about it,

447
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: and I don't want to lose time paying attention to

448
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff because we have so many positive things,

449
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: as you know, what we're doing in our law firm

450
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: to help uplift the culture, to uplift the community, and

451
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: to uplift our people. Well I know that, but they're

452
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: gonna know what today. You know, it's been important to me.

453
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm always saying being they need to know

454
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Speaker 1: that all the time that your interview it's only a

455
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Speaker 1: few minutes, and when it is an extended interview, it's

456
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: all it's always about the cases. It's a few times

457
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Speaker 1: that people get this, you know, to get to hear

458
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: you in this way. I know there's been print profiles

459
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: written up about you, many things written about you. But

460
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: this interview is so important being because these are the

461
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: type of misconceptions and they'll find something wrong with this

462
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: because this is just what they do. That's exactly that's

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Speaker 1: their job. And this is my job to be straight shot,

464
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Speaker 1: no chase or two and get this ship straight. And

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00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: it was important. It was important that they know that

466
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Speaker 1: being Krupp has not told no family to forgive nobody.

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00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: That is not what you do. It is unethical and

468
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: it's not why you're there, and that that is important.

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Speaker 1: So I'm so glad that we put that to rest.

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Speaker 1: But speaking of all the positive things that your firm

471
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Speaker 1: is doing, because I think this is important as we

472
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Speaker 1: move further in this conversation, your firm being current law

473
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: represents not just police brutality. That's another myth. Again. This

474
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Speaker 1: show is about setting the record straight missing misconceptions of

475
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Speaker 1: attorney crop not just police shootings. Recently, there was a

476
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Speaker 1: case in Disney representing a white woman. You have worked

477
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Speaker 1: on as you as you mentioned earlier in our interview

478
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Speaker 1: Flint Victims. You've also worked with women on the Johnson

479
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Speaker 1: and Johnson case. There's several cases the national black farmers,

480
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: so many other things that you do outside of this

481
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: that always doesn't necessarily get the media attention that it deserves.

482
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: And and you know why, because they always want to

483
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: be able to put you in a box. They really

484
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about all the other things, because

485
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: then if they talk about all the other things, that

486
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: it's harder to put you in a box. So can

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00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: you speak to a little bit of that on some

488
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: of the other cases that you're working with that people

489
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: may not be aware of, that have nothing to do

490
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: with police brutality, yes, tears, and really civil rights work

491
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: is not the most prosperous work, so you have to

492
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: do other work to be able to finance these civil

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00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: rights cases. And so we talked about Flint, how we

494
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: were able to successfully achieve a historic settlement for the

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00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: children of Flint, and that's not done yet, but it's

496
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: a situation where you look at the environmental injustices that

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00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: our people face, and so we do a lot of

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00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: that work. And then we look at the Johnson and

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Speaker 1: Johnson tacklum pild of litigation, which many people still don't

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Speaker 1: know to this datas And that's why I try to

501
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: use my influence and platform that God bless me with.

502
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: They try to tell everybody I can about the injustices

503
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: that exists in the world that's affecting our people. The

504
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Speaker 1: Talcolm Powder litigation literally is Johnson and Johnson, one of

505
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: the Fortune forty cases. I'm talking about, one of the

506
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: forty largest corporations in the world had prayed and targeted

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00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: black and minority women with their baby powder. And you know,

508
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: it's a culture thing. We were always talking to put

509
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Speaker 1: baby powder down there in our privates to make sure

510
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: we were fresh. I mean my mother did, in my aunts,

511
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: my cousins, everybody, and so with Johnson and Johnson neglected

512
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: to tell people in the late nineties when these reports

513
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: cuts started coming out that there was casual connection between

514
00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: using baby powder on your private parts and over are

515
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: in cancer. Well, white women, once that came out, they

516
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: stopped using it. But you know what those son of

517
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: the guns did tests. They looked at the market research

518
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: and they saying, well, we noticed a great fall off

519
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: of white women, but we see that black women and

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00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: Spanic women they really haven't stopped using it. So let's

521
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: redouble our efforts. Let's go market to music festivals, Let's

522
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: go market to you know, civil rights organizations to encourage

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00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: more black women and Hispanic women to use our baby powder,

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Speaker 1: even though they have memorandoms within their corporate files that

525
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Speaker 1: said there was a connection between ovarian cancer and the

526
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Speaker 1: use of Malcolm Powers. And then we look at the

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00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: black farmers with the round up, you know, the weed

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Speaker 1: killer that we're used in our yards and they use

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Speaker 1: out in the fields, and that's causing nine hotskin lim

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Speaker 1: farmer cancer. And so these black farmers have been margin

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Speaker 1: the lines and disenfranchise. Everybody sees commercials every day about

532
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: round up settlement, round up litigation and so forth. But

533
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: they were forgetting the black deep in, the black farmers.

534
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: So we made it our mission to go representing them,

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Speaker 1: and now we represent thousands upon thousands of people in

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Speaker 1: that litigation. And then I think about the fact that

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00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: we are doing the lgt b Q community litigation against Trabada,

538
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: which was HIV drug that was causing renal failure and

539
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: then until you lose bone density, and so we were

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00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: working on that type of litigation. Our work will speak

541
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: for us. People who like us are gonna like us.

542
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: People who don't like us are not gonna like us.

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00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: I have very little time. I think, like T. S.

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Speaker 1: Lawrence Launce of Arabia, the most dangerous man in the

545
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Speaker 1: world is the person who is so focused on what

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Speaker 1: they're doing that they have very little time to can

547
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: said is absolutely and you do that like no other.

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00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: I just wanted everyone to know being around you, and

549
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: I know you're working on a documentary that's coming out.

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00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: I cannot wait for that to release so people can

551
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: see all the different directions that you're pulled into and

552
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: how you're able to keep a calm and a peace

553
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: about yourself and work with these families to be their brother, father, figure,

554
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: to some pastor, mentor friend, legal counsel, you know, all

555
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: of those things to just keep the family moving forward.

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00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: You know, when we deal with these families, we walk

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00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: into pre existing conditions that had nothing to do with

558
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: the case. You know, that had nothing to do with

559
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: the case, and you have to and it's a science

560
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: and art, you know, working through all of those things.

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00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: Want you to get your flowers while you're alive in

562
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: the history we told while you're live, because if people

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00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: can celebrate Johnny Cochrane and how he used the media

564
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: to create a narrative and to fight a negative narrative.

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00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: Whether people believe Oh J did it or not, the

566
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: point is he was able to utilize the media to

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00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: tell the story. And so if we can celebrate that,

568
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: why not celebrate the fact that you've been able to

569
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Speaker 1: do this a dozen plus times on a high pro

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00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: foul level, but still representing many cases that people have

571
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: never ever heard about. I want people to know that

572
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: you do. You are open. You see value in everyone's voice,

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00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: even mine or anybody that you know, whether they're just

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00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: now new in the business or a lot of people

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00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: that I've introduced you to that will never imagine you

576
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: spending time talking to them. You absolutely see value in everyone.

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00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: And this interview is not something sure leading you know, Rob,

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00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: Rob when people listen, because that's what every be saying

579
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: or you just sharing been No, I'm telling you what

580
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: I've witnessed for myself. You have been remarkable in lifting

581
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: as you climb. I have a lot of clients, as

582
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: you know that I work with that people never know

583
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: that I work with that. You may know and others

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00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: may know that I give that I work in communication space,

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00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: and that's fine. They don't have to give me credit

586
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: in a public way. You have always done it. I

587
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: want people to know I have told you multiple times

588
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: a turn craft you don't need to keep doing and

589
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: that just do. But you make it a point to

590
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: know what value I bring to your team and others.

591
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: You make a point that people know about co Council.

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00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: It's not just you working on these cases. There's other turners.

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00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: Always a local attorney in every city on these cases

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00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: that you're working with. And you make a point to

595
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: include the local attorneys, to include the consultants, to include

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00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: whether it's Charlemagne for just you know, during the interview

597
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: or mentioning Ricky Smiley, Steve Hard whoever helps you move

598
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: these conversations. You always make a point to lift as

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00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: you climb and I just want you to speak on

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00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: that and then we're gonna go into voting and wrap up.

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00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's so details. It starts with my mother.

602
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: Read it because my mother, like most Black waymen, we're

603
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: miracle workers. And I watched my mother raised three boys

604
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: on her own in the project, working two jobs. One

605
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: is a hotel made doing laundry in the morning and

606
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: afternoon and then leaving that job and then coming making you.

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00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: We had food on the table. Did I at work,

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00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: and then when it work at the Converse a shoe factory.

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00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: That's why send of the Comla. Harris and I talked

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00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: so much and joke Tass about Chuck Taylor's and cause

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00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: my mother and THEMN new Chuck Taylor when they used

612
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: to make the Converse shoes. But my mother also with

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00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: indoctrinating my mind, t Ass. She would always tell me

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00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: after I watched that lady working herself to death to

615
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: make sure we had a roof of our head, food

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00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: on the table and hoping out hearts. Um, she would

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00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: tell me that, baby, life ain't fair. Life is hard.

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00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: You make it fair by what you bring to the table.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't bring anything to the table, don't

620
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: expect anybody to let you sit down at the table.

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00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: And then she was saying, when you get to the table,

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00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: make sure you bring some of us with you. And

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00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: I always remember that, ters And so when I think

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00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: about a shot brilliant, articulate system like yourself, I'm like,

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00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: hold long man, it would be ashamed of me to

626
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: get all the benefits that you give me. And I

627
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: mean some of the things, some of the talking points

628
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: of stuff have really made the difference between me being

629
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: successful in litigation. I think about Flint, Michigan and all

630
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: the work you did there, and I would be remissed

631
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: if when I got an opportunity to give reflective sunshine

632
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: to young brothers and sisters, whether it's my co counsels,

633
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 1: and I make a point of working with her young

634
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: black lawyers on every case. I'll be having a white

635
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,959
Speaker 1: lawyers working with me, but you're the best. Believe there's

636
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: gonna be a black lawyer that a young person who

637
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm making sure not only get a claim but also

638
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 1: get money so they can grow their business. And that's

639
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: very important because I think God has blessed me more

640
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: than I could ever have imagined. I mean, I'm a

641
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: little country boy from the projects and to be considered

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00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: one of the top lawyers in the world. I think

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00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: about the people trying to bring me to Europe and

644
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: so forth, to speaking to Brazil and Africa, and I

645
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: think about when we're in the projects, nobody ever would

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00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: have thought about that. So how could I keep the

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Speaker 1: blessings to myself? How could I not share the blessings

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Speaker 1: with as many people as I can share? And that's

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Speaker 1: really tears why I just can't get caught up on

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Speaker 1: the haters because I do believe that guy has a

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Speaker 1: plan for me. Guy has a plan for you and Kate.

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Speaker 1: Nobody stopped God's blessing that he has for you. Man,

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Speaker 1: Amen of that, and I believe it too. But I'm

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Speaker 1: still gonna check him all along the way. Well every

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Speaker 1: chance I get. I can't catch them all, but every

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Speaker 1: down here. You know, when we when we have these opportunities,

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Speaker 1: I want to do it because your legacy is important.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the upcoming election. We have

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Speaker 1: an election coming up. Obviously there's a lot of talk

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Speaker 1: about you know, you and I go back and forth

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Speaker 1: about this all the time, because again proving that you

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Speaker 1: keep people around you that are different. I've worked for

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Speaker 1: Senda Bernie right, no, no, never get a confused. She

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Speaker 1: is the Malcolm always always, never get a confused. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, hey, Chess till I think we got Tess

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Speaker 1: had to be kicking the while down and don't think

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Speaker 1: about I love it if people get a chance to

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Speaker 1: go watch us on the Breakfast Club we did in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: What I was really going in on on the c

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Speaker 1: and you were patting my back and pull me into

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Speaker 1: and you were patting. Charlemagne threw me the lay up

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Speaker 1: so I had to dunk it, and then being started

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Speaker 1: patting me on my back when I was going too fire.

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Speaker 1: I laughed. We laughed on the plane because somebody in

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Speaker 1: the comments said being, don't be patting my sister on

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Speaker 1: our back. She was. She was just going in. I

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Speaker 1: was playing the commerde down. This United States senator who

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Speaker 1: had done a lot of things that were probably not

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Speaker 1: beneficial for our community, was trying to act as if

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Speaker 1: she had did so much for our community. Was not

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Speaker 1: having So let's speak to that, you know, because you

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Speaker 1: know I'm not a fan of Biden, and you have had,

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Speaker 1: you know, your concerns with Joe Biden, and who doesn't

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Speaker 1: anybody in the civil space, anybody concerned with yeah, and

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Speaker 1: criminal justice wouldn't have concerns with Joe Biden. But I

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Speaker 1: want you to speak to and then you know there's

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Speaker 1: an argument at there where let's just go with the

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00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: lesser two evils and we gotta get Trump out. I

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Speaker 1: want you to talk because you know you and I'll

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00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: tell you all the time, everybody not scared of Trump,

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Speaker 1: you know, people that don't have nothing that I'm scared

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Speaker 1: of Trump being in But I want you to speak

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Speaker 1: to what it means when you have a Republican controlled

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Speaker 1: legislative body, not just set the federal, but at the

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Speaker 1: state and local. And Daniel Cameron is a great example.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Cameron for those listening, that is the state attorney

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Speaker 1: for Brianna Taylor. And so speak to that, like how

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Speaker 1: these elections matter even if you're not motivated by Biden,

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Speaker 1: if you don't hate Trump enough, speak to why it

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Speaker 1: is important to vote on No. But third, especially when

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Speaker 1: we talk about our judicial system. You know, Tess, I

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Speaker 1: remember in two thousand sixteen many people saying where it

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Speaker 1: doesn't make a difference between Hillary and Donald Trump. And

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Speaker 1: in the four years since people stay at home on

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Speaker 1: Hill at Donald Trump and his Republican conservative agenda became president.

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Speaker 1: They have appointed three hundred federal judges. And if they

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Speaker 1: get their way and tells you tell me it's gonna happen,

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Speaker 1: I pray the god that won't. But he's gonna get

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Speaker 1: to appoint a third Supreme Court justice who is going

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Speaker 1: to influence our way of life for days and decades

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Speaker 1: to come. I mean it's gonna be far reaching consequences.

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Speaker 1: Where those Supreme Court justices are gonna do. And so

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Speaker 1: elections have consequence just from the top to the bottom.

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Speaker 1: And when I say from the top to the bottom,

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Speaker 1: it matters who you elect as your congress people. It

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Speaker 1: matters who you elect as you're a governor. It really

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Speaker 1: matters who you elect as you're married. Because the marrior

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Speaker 1: is gonna pick the police chief. And we know black

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Speaker 1: people's most interaction with the government, it's gonna probably be

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Speaker 1: with the local police. That's the reality, because they target us,

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Speaker 1: you know, they profile us. And when we do the

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Speaker 1: Know Your Rights Camp tab with Colin Kaepernick, we tell

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Speaker 1: the young people it's not if the police pull you over,

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Speaker 1: it's when the police pull you over, because you if

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Speaker 1: you're black in America between the ages of eighteen and

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Speaker 1: thirty five, you are going to get pulled over by

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Speaker 1: the police for riding the boticicle while black, walking while black,

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Speaker 1: driving while black, shopping while black, banking while black. There's

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Speaker 1: gonna be something that gets you god confronted and detained

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Speaker 1: by the police. And so it matters who that marriage,

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Speaker 1: who police that picks that police chief, who dictates what

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Speaker 1: kind of police department we're gonna have and that's why

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Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor settlement in the civil matter was so significant.

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Speaker 1: Criticized of the the twelve million dollars which was one of

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Speaker 1: the largest amounts that were paid out for a black

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Speaker 1: woman in the history of America, for a room for

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Speaker 1: death and the police shooting. But those reforms, just the

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Speaker 1: fact that they're gonna incentivize police officers to live in

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Speaker 1: the communities that they actually police. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 1: neighbor We want to hope and believe that they would

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Speaker 1: be less out tasks to shoot first and ask questions

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Speaker 1: later if they say, oh, that's Tad's brother, Oh that's

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Speaker 1: Marcy's my friend, you know, and they know him and

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Speaker 1: so forth, and think about what they're doing. If they

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Speaker 1: stay in the neighborhood for twenty years, they would have

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Speaker 1: be Sentially it bought them my home. And we know

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Speaker 1: the greatest opportunity for access to capital and web for

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Speaker 1: middle class and blue collar people is homeownership. And so

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Speaker 1: that's significant. And that's what elections matter. When you have

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Speaker 1: Democrats in power, uh in the mayor's office in Louisville

751
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Speaker 1: versus the Republican Daniel Cameron, who went out his weight

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Speaker 1: in his grand jury to make sure that these killer

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Speaker 1: cops were exonerated for killing uh Brianna Taylor. And then

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Speaker 1: when you think about the district attorney's chairs, man, I

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Speaker 1: mean literally the district attorney every county is decided about

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Speaker 1: a few thousand votes, and black people, if we go vote,

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Speaker 1: we would be the critical mass that d A decides

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Speaker 1: who goes to jail. He decided to fact killer cop

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Speaker 1: and Trey Vin and Philandoker, Skill and Michael Brown and

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Speaker 1: Ferguson and Walter Scott in New York, Eric Garden in

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Speaker 1: New York, Tamir Rice in Cleveland, UH Traypon martin Sanford, Florida,

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Speaker 1: both in Joan and Dallas, Texas. Terence Crutcher and uh Tsa, Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: UH Joseph Ritchardson and Baton Rouge Louisanna Alton Sterling in

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Speaker 1: Baton Rouge Louisanna uh Stefan Clark in Sacramento, California. He's

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Speaker 1: there Ford in Los Angeles, California. De jail dejone Kenzie

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, California. Uh Ayana Standing is seven year

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Speaker 1: old killed in Detroit, Michigan. UM Natasha McKinney, the sister

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Speaker 1: and her t shirt and underwear inside the jail, who

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Speaker 1: was tased twelve times and died. The d eight is

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Speaker 1: gonna decide whether they go to jail or not. But

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Speaker 1: you know what that's that d A's gonna do. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna decide whether your cousin, whether your nephew, whether your son,

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Speaker 1: whether your daughter, whether your husband, whether your brother, whether

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Speaker 1: your daddy, whether your mama. They're gonna decide, quite literally,

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Speaker 1: who goes to jailing the community. Who's giving the benefit

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Speaker 1: of the doubt, who's giving the benefit of consideration, who's

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Speaker 1: giving the benefit of possibility. That's what that local district

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Speaker 1: attorney is gonna do. And so when that district attorney

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Speaker 1: is sending all our children to jail, I mean in

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Speaker 1: every grand year proceeded. But then when we have evidence

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Speaker 1: of a cop on video shooting and killing or excessively

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Speaker 1: brutalizes in the black person, and they don't send that

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Speaker 1: the person to jail, you should not be saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: being crupp lost the case or whatever great civil rights

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Speaker 1: law you're fighting about it. We were trying to fight

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Speaker 1: to bring attention to it. And you ain't gonna hold imaccountable.

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Speaker 1: Y'all ain't gonna talk about the prosecutors. That's why we

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Speaker 1: got to educate our people and engage our people. And

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Speaker 1: so Tess, I pre shade, don't everything. I don't appreciate

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Speaker 1: you try have to go clear them out for me.

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Speaker 1: But I don't even worry about that foolish because if

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Speaker 1: they too ignorant to understand that it's these white prosecutors

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Speaker 1: that are letting these killer cops get away with murder,

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Speaker 1: then they don't really understand American. That's exactly it. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't spend too much time trying to

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Speaker 1: clear it out because you've got me busy working. We're

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Speaker 1: actually doing the work. I just think it's important that

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Speaker 1: it's at least after, just like in court, that it's

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Speaker 1: on the record, and this is an interview that at

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Speaker 1: least you don't put it on the record, because it's

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Speaker 1: important to say that. And I won't say this before

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Speaker 1: a close. I hope the Democrats listen, you know, to

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Speaker 1: what you just said, because that entire thing that you

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Speaker 1: just said gives people a reason to vote. You didn't

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Speaker 1: mention Trump our Biden one time. It gave them something

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Speaker 1: of substance that makes sense, that connects that talks about

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Speaker 1: how to fects them. And like we mentioned earlier in

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Speaker 1: the interview, over one hundred police reform policies have been

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00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: put in place since the murder of George Floyd. So

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Speaker 1: this is working. It's not always this change is to come.

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Speaker 1: It's coming down the law keep on going. Who want

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Speaker 1: to keep showing up for a losing team. If you

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Speaker 1: can be out and explain that and explain how it

814
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Speaker 1: makes sense, that's what people want to hear. Because the

815
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Speaker 1: moment we say, well, it just gotta be about Trump,

816
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: it just turns off a lot of people because although

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Speaker 1: that motivates something, it doesn't motivate all in the least

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Speaker 1: of these people that really don't have and don't have money,

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Speaker 1: they're just not motivated by the Trump fear tactive because

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Speaker 1: they already don't have. But if you can explain it

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Speaker 1: in a way that you did that it makes sense,

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Speaker 1: actual substance, then we can see more people at the

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Speaker 1: posts on November three. And that's what I've been pushing for,

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Speaker 1: you know, to get that message out. And there's so

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Speaker 1: much truth you say, Really, when you think about the fact,

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Speaker 1: after Michael Brown was killed, the Ferguson that young people

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Speaker 1: started to strategize and organize, and they may share that

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Speaker 1: the white district Attorney Bob McCullough who refused to prosecute

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Speaker 1: the killer Michael Brown, who had his ends up and

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Speaker 1: broad day like in Ferguson Maseurri and we all started

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Speaker 1: up saying hands up, don't shoot. They made sure he

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Speaker 1: got defeated, and a young African American who had never

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Speaker 1: ran for office was elected for the first time as

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Speaker 1: a black prosecutor in St. Louis County. And so elections

835
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: matter so much when we give people reasons to go vote.

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Speaker 1: I think about every said y'allo, who got elected in

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Speaker 1: the after math for Trade Blind in Orlando. I think

838
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Speaker 1: about Kim Fox in Chicago who got elected in the

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Speaker 1: aftermath for Akuain McDonald. Remember that brother who you don't

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Speaker 1: talk about much. I didn't represent him. I wish it

841
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Speaker 1: got more attention in that case because that video was

842
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: just horrific when you think about he got shot one

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Speaker 1: and when he was running away from the police. Even

844
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Speaker 1: though all thirteen of those police officers lied and saying

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Speaker 1: that he was charging at the cop for for night,

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Speaker 1: the video clearly shows he was running away shot him

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Speaker 1: one time and then the police officer proceeded to shoot

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Speaker 1: him seventeen times more while he was on the ground

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Speaker 1: and executed that young black seventeen year old bar Lakwa McDonald.

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Speaker 1: And it was in the aftermat for that that Chicago

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Speaker 1: Cook Counting organized and strategized and elected their first black

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Speaker 1: in their history to be prosecuted. And so I know

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00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: we can do it, Tess. We just got to have

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Speaker 1: the right messages. And that's why I appreciate you going

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Speaker 1: on all these shows with your straight out no chaser

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Speaker 1: and really breaking it down because I man, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll be telling Senator to come ar when you tell

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Speaker 1: me stuff. I just be texting it right to her

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00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: because I'm like, you need to consider this now, because

860
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: we gotta admit our mistakes in the past, and we

861
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: got to talk about how we can resolve them together

862
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: in the future, and that we're gonna own up to

863
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: what happened, but we're gonna do better up with your help.

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Speaker 1: And I always deliver that message, do not fight what

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Speaker 1: you have done, because what is done in the pastag

866
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: done in the past. You can't go back and change it.

867
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Speaker 1: The only thing you can do is try to convince

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00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: me that you learn from your mistakes and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: do better. And that's right. And like the old Blue

870
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: song says, put it on paper, because being black is

871
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: not enough. And you know, I know you uplive black folks.

872
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: You know, I'm always cook to say, yeah, they're black

873
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: being but still we got we have to make sure

874
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: that we hold them accountable. And I want to say this,

875
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna let you close. I'm not worried about

876
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: what the hey to say either, because we're too busy

877
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: to move. But your legacy is important. And I think

878
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: about Mom Roe Birt, your client, our client that we

879
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: met in Tulsa, Oklahoma, when nobody talked about their case,

880
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: and the family reached out to me and said, they're

881
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: changing the narrative. They're making him be something that he's not.

882
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: He's a good kid, he really is. You know a

883
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: lot of folks like say, oh he was a good kid,

884
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: he never did anything. Mon Roe Birt really was a

885
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: good kid, you know, son of a pastor mother first lady,

886
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: never got needy trumble in his life literally and being

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00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: shot by security guard as he was driving away, paralyzed

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00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: from the neck down. When I called you and said

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00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: attorney Crump. I remember putting out a press release by

890
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: myself on just my word press, no big name behind it.

891
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing national commentary at that time. I just

892
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Speaker 1: did the only thing that I knew to do and

893
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: said I have to put this out just so that

894
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: somebody knows it and calling you and saying, Attorney Crump,

895
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: something has to be said about this young man. And

896
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: because he was living, and because it wasn't on video,

897
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: that story wasn't told. But through the advocacy and through

898
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: really pushing you dig get that story told on on

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Speaker 1: Crime Watch Daily. It was a story that no one

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Speaker 1: ever really didn't give a lot of attention to. But

901
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: I remember the looking Monroe's eyes. He was paralyzed from

902
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Speaker 1: the neck down, so nothing on his body moved, but

903
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: his face couldn't move, his arms, he couldn't move his chest,

904
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: and walking into his room, the only thing that could

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Speaker 1: move was his mouth and his face and the smile

906
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: on his face that said, my publicist is here. That

907
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: I take that with me, Ben, because when you when

908
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: you have a living victim lived, look in your eyes

909
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: and say this is the only person fighting for me.

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00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: I don't give a damn what they say on Twitter.

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00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: I wanted on the record because I want the information

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00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: out there. But what moves me it's my Roberts saying

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Speaker 1: they're here now to fight for me. I remember bringing

914
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Speaker 1: you to the hospital, standing by his bedside, saying, man,

915
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do everything I can to fight for you.

916
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: That was so powerful to me. He couldn't move anything,

917
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: but it's mouth and I want people to visualize that.

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00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: When they sent my Robert home and we were at

919
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Speaker 1: the hospital, and I remember saying, because his insurance, even

920
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: though he was a Native American, he had Native American insurance,

921
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: he had private insurance, his insurance was exhausted. And I said,

922
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: if you send him home, you're sending him home to die.

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00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: And that was not to be negative, it was not

924
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: to wish anything harm on him, but it was just

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Speaker 1: what I felt in my spirit. And my Robert passed

926
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Speaker 1: away sixty days after sending him home, less than sixty days.

927
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Speaker 1: His story and which you know we did the hashtag

928
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Speaker 1: Standford and Roll. When I'm standing in this space and

929
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: you allow me an opportunity to stand next to you

930
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: and and and all of your brilliant legal team, I

931
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: am standing still for Monroe. Bird and people like him,

932
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: because when these victims are deceased, we don't have a

933
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: chance to talk to them. And Monroe Bird put something

934
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Speaker 1: in me to know what that means when when all

935
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: they have is that little bit of hope. And so

936
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: I just wanted to speak from my standpoint to thank

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00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: you for the opportunity to be exposed to something that

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Speaker 1: will go in history books on all of the things

939
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: that you've done, just personally, you and your team and

940
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: everything that you've contributed to to social justice. And I'm

941
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 1: gonna leave with that, and I do want people to

942
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: read your book. You don't talk a lot about your book.

943
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: I'll be on you about that, but you have a

944
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: book called Open Seas and the Legalized Genocide of Colored

945
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: People and where you connect all of these stories and

946
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: how this is so historic and how people need to

947
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: have an understanding history. But Attorney Crump, who had been

948
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: my brother, I want you to know that you have

949
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: certainly impacted my life, the life of my daughter as

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00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: a single mom, and given me an opportunity to be

951
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: on this microphone. And with that, I'm going to let

952
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: you close and have your final statement to leave us

953
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: with some hope and some encouragement on how we should

954
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: continue on to stay on the fight and know that

955
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: the battle is not over absolutely and as you are

956
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: a force of nature. I don't mean to say that

957
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: lightly because I never ever want to be on the

958
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: side of Ted's. When she's playing in Malcolm role every nine,

959
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: then she has stayed with me on what side as

960
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: like Canada? Then something happened and I see Malcolm jump out,

961
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: but teds, congratulations on this show. I just believe that

962
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: you have an incredible future. I don't even think you

963
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: fathom what God has a story for you. This is

964
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: just one step on the journey. And I'll conclude like this.

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00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: People often ask me, Test, what is it that keeps

966
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 1: you going? Being cropped after all these cases, all these

967
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: miscarriages of justice where the killers are not hell accountable

968
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: because they're wearing a gun and a badge, and you know,

969
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: all these racist stand your ground laws? What is it

970
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: that keeps you going? And I say the same thing

971
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: every time. Test two answers. Number one, I look at

972
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: my daughter, my children. You know, I'm so proud of them.

973
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: I look at them. I see the hope in their eyes,

974
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: the optimism, Chancellor, my little bass God stepson. He we

975
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: call me Uncle Bend. He they're leading the Black Lives

976
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 1: Matter and Tallahastic why smoking weed? And I'm like, man,

977
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: how are you gonna be the lead? Away? You getting

978
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: louted up every night? But even with as short time

979
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: as I see the potential in the oh, and that

980
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 1: inspires me to fight because I can't give up on them.

981
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: If we gave up and said, you know, there's nothing

982
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: we can do, then really we're giving up on our children.

983
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: And we can't do that because our grandparents sacrifice then

984
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: didn't give up on us, our great great great grandparents

985
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: back in the cotton fields and slavery. They dreamed about

986
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: U Teil's being on your own podcast. They dreamed about

987
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: me being a lawyer. They dreamed about that, and that's

988
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: what kept them going, saying that I know there is

989
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: a brighter future. Five people. We just got to believe.

990
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: We just can't give up on us. And so that's

991
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: what motivates me. And then secondly, the final reason that

992
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: I know without a shadow of doubt that we're gonna win.

993
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 1: I remember what they taught me in first in law school.

994
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: They would indoctrinated in our minds jazz. They talked about precedents.

995
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: They kept saying everything has to be based on precedents,

996
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: and they kept saying all these president court cases, in

997
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: future court cases, they have to look to precedents because

998
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: we have to have consistency in the law, that everything

999
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: has to be based on precedents. Now, I didn't believe that, Tess,

1000
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: because when I look at the precedents based on black

1001
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: people in America with these laws, it tells me that

1002
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: the United States Supreme Court said that we were slaves

1003
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: and based on precedents, if we kept everything the same,

1004
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: you and I would still be a slave. You remember

1005
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: the Dress Scott decision said that there were no rights

1006
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: that a black man had that a white man was

1007
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 1: bound to respect. So that was the precedents in America.

1008
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: So I didn't accept what my professors was telling me,

1009
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: but I did understand what they were trying to come

1010
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: unicate to us that based on precedents is a good

1011
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: indicator of what is likely to happen in the future.

1012
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: And so when I think of the precedents of black

1013
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: people in America, I think of everything that we've overcome.

1014
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we overcame slavery. I think of the precedents

1015
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: that we overcame the Middle Passage. I think of the

1016
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: precedents that we overcame being defined as three fifths of

1017
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: our human being. I think of the presidents where Gradscott decision,

1018
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: that terrible decision, said we had no rights that a

1019
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: white person had to respect. I think of the precedents

1020
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: of reconstruction. I think of the precedents of us overcoming

1021
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: separate but equal. Let's overcoming presid be ferguson us overcoming

1022
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: Jim Crow Junior and Jim Crow Senior. And I think

1023
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: about everything that black people have overcome that America has

1024
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: sold at us. And you know what that tells me,

1025
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: based on press, it is that whatever they thought that's

1026
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: in the future, we're gonna overcome it and we're gonna

1027
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: be all right because our precedence is black people in

1028
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: America that we will overcome whatever this racist society tries

1029
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: to throw it us. God bless you, Tesla figure. Oh,

1030
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: thank you for giving me that solicited advice. It has

1031
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: served me well along our journey. My friend as serving

1032
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: very well. I appreciate everyone listening to America's black Attorney General.

1033
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, being Crump for lending your time,

1034
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: your very important time that you have out there serving

1035
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 1: and I just want people to know this. If Ben

1036
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: Crump can deal with death threats, you can best believe

1037
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't. Doesn't give a damn about what you're saying

1038
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: on social media. This is about social justice. However, it

1039
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: was important that we put this out here, the myths,

1040
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: to deal with, the miss misconceptions, the truth, so that

1041
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: you can hear directly from Attorney Crump. None of this

1042
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: interview was scripted, none of it was pre planned. It

1043
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: was raw, straight shot, no chaser. You just heard a

1044
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: conversation that Attorney Crump and I have all of the time.

1045
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: And I always tell people you heard at turn to

1046
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: Crump say that at the end of the day, he's

1047
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: here to do the right thing. And there's a song,

1048
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: an old spiritual song that I played at my mother's funeral,

1049
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: and it said that when I get over, I'll put

1050
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: on the rope and I will tell the story. And

1051
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: at some point you will have to tell the story.

1052
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: Whether I'm telling it on this microphone, whether I'm telling

1053
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: it at the protest, whether I am screaming it to

1054
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: an elected official, the story must be told. And Ben

1055
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: Crump is one of the best storytellers, a social justice

1056
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: and the injustices that Black Americans have received in this country.

1057
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: And so I always tell people use it, lose it,

1058
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: but I can't make it, choose it. But at some

1059
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: point you will have to make a choice. And we

1060
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: will be dividing up the week from the strong, the gs,

1061
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: from the busters, the sheep from the goat, and I

1062
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: suggest that you are on the right side of history.

1063
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: Like Michael Brown's mother say you either with us are

1064
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: you not? And I always say you're either with us,

1065
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: are you're not? Organized from block to block. Thank you

1066
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: so much, A turn to be Ron Crownford, Johnny Me.

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Speaker 1: Today you have been listening to Straight Shot No Chaser

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Speaker 1: with Tesla Figuo on the Black Effect Podcast Network on

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