1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: Bucky here Buck. How you doing, man, Man, I'm good. 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: I'm good because football is right around the corner. DJ, 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: and I don't know what it looks like in college, 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: and I've seen what it's looking like in high school 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 1: in terms of moving to the spring or at the 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: calendar year one, But the NFL looks like it's ready 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: to go, and I'm excited to have any form of 10 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: football that we can get this season. Yeah, I feel confident. 11 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: I feel I feel good about the fact we're gonna 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: be able to get to the starting line. You know, 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: that's the first thing. You can't have a season if 14 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: you don't start the season. So I feel I'm feeling 15 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: better about things we're gonna be able to get this 16 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: season kicked off. Um. I think the protocols that are 17 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: in place, even the eliminated elimination of preseason games, I 18 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: think everything is. Every precaution is being taken, the daily testing, 19 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: all these different measures to get us to the start 20 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 1: of the season. Now, there's gonna be some things they're 21 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: gonna be challenging as we start the season, But I 22 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: feel good, at least at this point time we're gonna 23 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: get to the start of the season. Yeah, I feel 24 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: really good about that. I feel good about the progress 25 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: that has been made. I feel good about the protocols 26 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: that they're putting in place, and uh, the slow run 27 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: up to the season, all of those things I'm excited about. 28 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: I do wonder what it's going to look like from 29 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: an economic stens even though that's not necessarily in my 30 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: in my rom in my expertise in terms of that, 31 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: but I'm curious what that looks like and how that's 32 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: going to impact the team building process going forward, if 33 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: there's a salary cap reduction or if it stays flat, 34 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: and how teams will have to build around those challenges. 35 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 1: But now that we're seeing rookies getting signed, we're seeing 36 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: rookies show up the camp, we have veterans uh reporting 37 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: on the horizon. Yeah, I mean, I'm excited, and I'm 38 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: excited to see which teams view the challenges as opportunities, 39 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: which teams are prepared for the moment to take advantage 40 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: of the way that they're preparing to start the season. 41 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: We kind of talked about it on the last podcast. 42 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: Which teams are going to be able to be different 43 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: to start the season to give themselves an advantage. I'm 44 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: really um curious because I think coaching and development matters 45 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: more than any part of the process this year, more 46 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: than any of the year. Can I give you my, 47 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: uh my free T shirt design for your for your 48 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: football team, for your high school football team. So all 49 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: it's said, it's gonna say the year of It's gonna 50 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: have obstacles, and it's gonna have a line through it, 51 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: and then underneath it's gonna say opportunities. That's that's our 52 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: T shirt. We're gonna start up. We gonna start to 53 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: move the sticks T shirt like it. I liked it. 54 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: I mean I've listened to so many coaches and podcasts 55 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: and everything else, like I got I got slogans for days, 56 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: like if you open up my little my little journal, 57 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: I got slogans for days. I got everything that you 58 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: need needing to. You need a quote, I got a 59 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: quote for you. I can quote Bruce Lee, I can 60 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: quote anybody and everybody. So um, I am excited about that. 61 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: But I do think like this is the time, and 62 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: I think this has been a great reset. Having a 63 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: conversation with a a f C offensive coach. Um, you know, 64 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: we talked for about hour just about like how different 65 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: this is, and he said it. DJ said, like, it's 66 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: weird because it's been different. But I feel better going 67 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: into the regular season now than I ever have. I've 68 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: worked out, I've had time, I've had time with the family. 69 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: I've recharged the battery. I feel from a preparation standpoint, 70 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: I have all the plans in place. I felt like 71 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: I had a good series of sessions virtually with my team. 72 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: The only thing we need to do is get to camp, 73 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: he said. Now, I know we have to get on 74 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: the field and get the players right, he said, But 75 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: Buck from a mental standpoint, I feel like I am 76 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: at my best because I'm not as tired as I 77 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: normally would be having logging those long hours that I 78 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: normally would log throughout the off season leading into the 79 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: regular season. It's very interesting. And by the way, we're 80 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: gonna have a conversation with h Thomas Dimitrov, general manager 81 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: of the Atlanta Falcons going into his thirteenth year. There 82 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: had a chance to visit with him. You can catch 83 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: that on the TV show which will be Thursday, uh, 84 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: this evening as we're recording that six pm East, and 85 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: you can find the show and'll be reared throughout the weekend, 86 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: but you can look forward to that. We're gonna roll 87 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: that interview a little bit later on in the podcast. 88 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: But Buck, there's so many fascinating conversations I've had with 89 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: guys around league. I know you're having the same one. 90 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: Something you mentioned one of one one of the conversations 91 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: was a conversation with with the coach and a player. 92 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: And this is a rookie player that's coming in this year, 93 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: and we've talked about it. We talked about on the 94 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: TV show that the challenges and the obstacles ahead for 95 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: these rookies. This kid, though, was bummed when they were 96 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: talking about not the elimination of the preseason games, but 97 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: just that there was gonna be this ramp up, right, 98 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna have that I think a fourteen days potentially 99 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: where you're just conditioning and not playing. And he said 100 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: something that I didn't even never thought of. This. He said, 101 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: during the pandemic, I worked my butt off and I'm 102 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: ready to go day one. I'm ready to take somebody's 103 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,119 Speaker 1: job and he wants to come in and compete right now. 104 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: And he said, now, all they're gonna do is give 105 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: some of these guys have been slacking off two weeks, 106 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: try and catch up to where my fitness level is. Um. So, 107 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: it's an interesting way. I never would have thought of 108 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: looking at it that way. You know. I think about that, 109 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: and I think about it as it relates to the 110 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: NBA and the NBA bubble. Um. Having looked at a 111 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: lot of stuff on the Miami Heat and the culture 112 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 1: that pat Riley has created there and how they are 113 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: man sticklers for fitness and conditioning and all of those things. 114 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: Those teams who are really on point about the fitness 115 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: and conditioning and building that what I call competitive stamina, 116 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: they have advantages. Some of that will be negated a 117 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: little bit by the slow run up to the season, 118 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: because now what you're talking about is a six week 119 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: training camp. In six weeks, you can typically traditionally get 120 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: your team ready to go. UM. So, I understand what 121 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: that that young player was talking about, Like, man, I 122 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: feel like I'm I'm losing some of that he he 123 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: is losing some of those advantages. But if his fitness 124 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: levels at that level, his stamina is going to surpass whatever. 125 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: Those people that are kind of ramping it up. He'll 126 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: be able to kind of play at a higher level 127 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: because it's physical conditioning won't be there, so he'd be 128 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: able to focus a little more on his mind and 129 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: stay in tune with what he's being asked to do. 130 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: It kind of reminded me of remember when you be 131 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: in school, and I didn't do this very often, trust me, 132 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: but if you studied hard for an exam and then 133 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: you show up that morning, they go, you know what, guys, 134 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm feeling good. Open book, Like you can? You can? 135 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: And like what, I just start to spend all that 136 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: time studying and now it's open book. Come on? Yes, 137 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: I mean like that's that's kind of the thing. Like, Um, 138 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't guarantee anything, but I do believe if your 139 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: team does report in shape, it allows you maybe to 140 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: skip a couple of steps when it comes to that, 141 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: because I think people will approach the first part of 142 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: the run up differently depending on the fitness level of 143 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: your team. Even though it's strength and conditioning, there is 144 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: a way for you to get the individual work in, 145 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: to get them moving around and do some of those 146 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: things where it can develop their skills individually that will 147 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: help them, UM assimilate acclimate quicker when we do some 148 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: of the the group stuff. Uh, you hope that everyone 149 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: has been working out. You hope that you don't have 150 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: many guys that come in kind of poor condition. But 151 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: I mean it's one of those things when you have 152 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: eighty guys, everybody working on a different thing, and you 153 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: have the virtual deal it. I mean, it changes. It 154 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: changes the way that you have to evaluate your team 155 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: when they come in. It's gonna be different. Another thing 156 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: that's gonna be different. And by the way, our our 157 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: our Mark here throw another quote up for us. Hard 158 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: work guarantees you nothing. But without it you don't stand 159 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: a chance. So you add that one to your list. 160 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: If you don't really have that in your little note, 161 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't have it in my list. I 162 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: have to ask Mark where you got that. He might 163 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: have just made that up. That might be from that 164 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: might be from from things from from Rat Miley, notat 165 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: but apparently that's legitimate. I'm being told it's a legitimate quote. 166 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: But everything's gonna be different, including um the team playing 167 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: in Washington in the NFC East who no longer has 168 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: a not a ask at what do we call that? 169 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: They don't have a mask, nickname, don nickname, they have 170 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: a nickname, no mascot, like they're the Washington football team established. Yes, yeah, 171 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: they didn't. Didn't give me the initials the acronym that 172 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: we could not They didn't give you that. They didn't 173 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: make it, you know, DJ, I actually, I actually like 174 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: this and I like this. I think it should be 175 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: a permanent deal for them. And here's why. When everyone 176 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: is zigging, I think it's okay to zack. When you 177 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: think about uh soccer teams or football, that's what they do. 178 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: When you think about Real Madrid, you think about all 179 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: those football clubs like that is a big part of 180 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: the culture over there. I think for Washington it enables 181 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: them to be different. It also enables them to keep 182 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: their colors and do something different. The biggest thing that 183 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: I had, and I put this out to Twitter, what 184 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: do we do with the helmet? Do we go Penn State? 185 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: Do we go kind of like the Burgundy with the 186 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: gold stripe? Do we put numbers on the side of 187 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: the helmet? Do we completely change it and just go 188 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: plane like day one of training camp. Plane just tape 189 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: on the helmet, Like what do we do? What do 190 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: we do with the helmet? That's what I'm That's what 191 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see. How I'm thinking, Like I'm thinking, like, 192 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, the NBA logo is the Jerry west stilgoet right, 193 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: and they call him the logo. So why don't you 194 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: just take a prominent member. I mean, is it Doug 195 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: like a Doug Williams silhouette on the side of the helmet? 196 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: I mean, what are we going with here? I mean, 197 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you know so, so I wonder I think 198 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: he gives them an opportunity to be different. I think 199 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: he gives him an opportunity to be reset. I think 200 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: if you're Ron River and you play a part of this, um, 201 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: what you have to do is like, hey, look, we're 202 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: no nonsense. We're just about our business. Um, we don't 203 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: need a steaking logo. We don't even Ascott, We're just 204 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: come into play. It gives him a chance to do 205 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: some of the stuff that the Cleveland Browns have done. 206 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: The Cleveland Browns haven't had a logo or anything on 207 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: a helmet for you, all right, So I want to 208 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: do this real quick. This is not totally unscripted here. 209 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: But because you were when you were saying that, I 210 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: was thinking of soccer players that you know, like Pale 211 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: didn't have, you know, just by one name. Yeah, you were. 212 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: You tweeted out something about like famous musicians rapid fire. 213 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: I'll go, you go and see how long we can 214 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: keep it going with one names, one name? People I 215 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: share m hm, see Bono Fleet sting, dank it. Oh 216 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: you're losing, man is jay z one. That's a hYP 217 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: I'll give I'll give you that, give, I'll give you that. 218 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: I'll give you that pink, pink pink. Man, I'm running 219 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: out of game. Nabile saying Tupac, But Tupac Shakur. We 220 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: know his last name. Bill, You're out of this game. 221 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: You're already out there. That does That doesn't count? Man, 222 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: I might have exhausted. Did I exhaust all my things? 223 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: Who else? Can I think of? Donna? Madonna? I said 224 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: a deal, mm hmm. They're not they're not many, but 225 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: they have to be great typically. Yeah, who else we got? 226 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: Cardi B doesn't count? Yeah, that's a hyphen But if 227 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: you're gonna give you jay Z, I guess I can 228 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: give you a CARDI B. The B is the the 229 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: B is the last initial. Um uh, there's gotta be 230 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: other other other soccer places, like like like you can't 231 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: you have to be you have to be great to 232 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: to to do that, like and in my way, in 233 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: a way I think is kind of bold and arrogant, 234 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: already said Sting. Mark already said Sting. Yeah, it's it's 235 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of bold to to do that. 236 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: And now we don't wouldn't need to stinking mascot. We 237 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: just show up, you know. I kind of like it. 238 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: I dig it. I can't wait to see. I'm I 239 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: can't wait to see what the renderings are. Slash what 240 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: is what? Is he the guitarist for Guns and Roses 241 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: with the top hat. Don't act like you don't know 242 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: who slashes guns and Roses? Come on, Buck, Okay, all right? 243 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: Oh no, Bill did say Beyonce, But we know Beyonce, 244 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: knowles you're over to Nobile. I mean it's like saying Oprah. 245 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: Oprah is known as Oprah. We know where Oprah Winfrey, 246 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: Like you can't know the last name. That's not how 247 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: this game works. No, Bill needs to go back, get 248 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: his four haircut and set this one out because next 249 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: he's gonna say Janice, but everyone knows we only call 250 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: Janice because you don't want to say his last name 251 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: with Lebron what about Lebron Ron? Yeah, I know his 252 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: last name. Unbelievable. All right, Buck, Hey, what do you say. 253 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: Let's get to the conversation we had with Thomas Dimitroff 254 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: and we'll come out the back side of that and 255 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: react to it. Here's our chat we had with the 256 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: Falcons general manager. He's the general manager of the Atlanta Falcons, 257 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: Thomas Dimitroff. All right, t the first question for you, 258 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: I mentioned thirteenth year, right, thirteen year, the GM of 259 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: the Falcons coming up? What's more challenging that first year 260 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: where you're you're kind of flying blyth and new to 261 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: this job or the one you currently find yourself in 262 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: a unique environment we've never seen before. Look, I say 263 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: this all the time. I mean that first year, honestly, 264 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: the first one two in three years. You're just struggling 265 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: to get your head above water. You're looking around, Yes, 266 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: you have a lot of opinions, but you're you're cashing 267 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: out on it because you're trying to focus to keep 268 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: yourself you know, on top of everything. As you move 269 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: in through this job, you have more ideas, more opinions. 270 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: Quite honestly, it's it's more difficult as you have more 271 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: time in because you see what you want to adjust 272 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: over the years. Now come into a situation like this 273 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: where it's uneasy. You're not getting regular information of course 274 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: from the league, understandably, so Dan and I are talking. 275 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: We talked on in a four or five times yesterday. 276 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: It gets a little frustrating because you're looking for concrete answers. 277 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: And again as you become sort of longer in the 278 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: tooth as a general manager, you want answers quickly. And oh, 279 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: by the way, the winds are never as enjoyable as 280 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: you go longer into this and the losses are a 281 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: lot more catagor stropics. So life is different, for sure, 282 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: you know it is different. But where some see challenges, 283 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: others opportunities. The Atlanta Facons have done a great job 284 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: of developing players through your Plan D program. We do know. 285 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: We feel confident at some point you guys that can 286 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: go to training camp and away we go. How is 287 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: your developmental plan when it comes to your younger players? 288 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: How critical will it be for that to be a 289 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: vital part of your team building process this year, Bucky, 290 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: I mean our Plan D. We we take a lot 291 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: of pride in it. Dan Quinn and his coaching staff 292 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: do a heck of a job with that. They're really 293 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: dialed in. We believe in it. The big thing is 294 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: not only the players believing in it, but of course 295 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: the assistant coaches believing in it. You have to have 296 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: everyone accountable, focused and ready to ready to roll. In 297 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: that area. We have some great contacts, as you can 298 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: imagine in other leagues, are contacts with guys like our 299 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: c Buford in the in the National Basketball Association and 300 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: in in basketball. Is so good for us because we're 301 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: always talking to some of our comp announce in that 302 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: area talk about development and the nuances of developing. It 303 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: is really really important for us to stay up on that. 304 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna make some adjustments this year. That that I'm 305 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: excited about. Dan was really involved this offseason and looking 306 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: on how we're gonna adjust our Plan D, and I 307 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: know that he's gonna be ready to go, and so 308 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: will our assistant coaches. Vital for us well, TD all 309 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: of us here together have scouting experience so I'm just curious, selfishly, 310 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: from a scouting standpoint, what do you envision that being 311 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: like for your department? They're gonna be able to get 312 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: out this year? Is this going to be a scout 313 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: from home situation? You know, Daniel, that's a tough one. 314 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: And three of us know how difficult it is to 315 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: go out when everything is open and smooth. You have 316 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: your bagels, you have your donuts, you have your coffee, 317 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: you're bringing the coaches are happy to see you. Now, 318 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: I mean, we're not sure. We're not only sure with that, 319 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: we're not sure what the colleges and universities are gonna 320 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: be dictating. We're not sure what we're gonna be dictating 321 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: as a team, you know, team policy. But in the end, 322 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: it comes down to league mandated issues and league mandates, 323 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: and we're we're still waiting on out of course, if 324 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: it's completely open, or if it's not completely open and 325 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: it's only you know, visiting to watch live games is 326 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: another another consideration. So everything is up in the air. 327 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: Once again, not only our coaches uneasy, and you guys 328 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: can attest to this, but as personnel men were a 329 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: little uneasy. We're not sure who we're gonna see when 330 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: when we're gonna see it, Will it be in the 331 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: middle of the year, will kick off? From the very beginning, 332 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: it's uncertainly. It comes back to this guy's and you 333 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: guys know this, adaptability and awareness are two words, and 334 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: I continue to stress to our staffs and how important 335 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: it is to make sure that we have a grasp 336 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: of those two words and the understanding of those two 337 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: words and approaches. You know, it's funny times because you 338 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: brought up adaptability and you guys had to adapt on 339 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: the flight as everybody did, with not being able to 340 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: go out on the road with workouts following the combine 341 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: and those things. Is there anything that you learned from 342 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: using technology during the run up to the draft that 343 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: can help your scouts adapt to potentially not being on 344 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: the road and having to do more film like scale 345 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: from Afar as opposed to being able to go in 346 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: there and get all the background and the other stuff 347 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: that we traditionally used to doing. Well, Bucky, that's a 348 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: that's a great question, and one thing from the very beginning, 349 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: and this actually came from our from our owner, Arthur 350 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: Blank in a in a town hall basically stressing the 351 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: importance of all of us becoming more and more comfortable 352 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: with the virtual interaction and not not playing it off 353 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: and not feeling like we're shirking duties because we're not 354 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: in the office. Let's take a deep breath, Let's realize 355 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: how we can truly approach this the best way, the 356 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: most effective, slash efficient way as we can. And I 357 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: think we spent a lot of time in the off 358 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: season doing that, Bucky, and I think it's gonna be 359 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: very important for our scouts to have a really uh 360 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: detailed plan on how they're gonna approach it. So back 361 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: to let's just say we don't go into colleges or 362 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: we do. We still have unbelievable connections with coaches, you know, 363 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: throughout the colleges, throughout the n C Double A, where 364 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing a lot more regular interaction with 365 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: these coaches and these confidence in these these close contexts 366 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: that we have at these universities. It's gonna be really important, 367 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: you know. We we found out through the through the 368 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: off season, you know, even leading up to the draft, 369 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: through free agency and the draft, our interaction with the 370 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: players via zoom or teams was really beneficial for us. Yes, 371 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: we weren't there and I always use this line and 372 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: everyone heckles me about it, but we're not there able 373 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: to sniff the pits, so to speak. But we are 374 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: getting an opportunity to truly right. We know how that 375 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: is literally and figuratively speaking, it's tough, but we're really 376 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: trying to to to really get into those conversations. Read 377 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: the eyes, read the interaction, read the energy, and you know, 378 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: of course it's not nothing like being live, but to 379 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: be able to do that regularly on those kind of 380 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: calls goes a long way. So if it's not only 381 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: with the players, it's also interacted with the coaches, that 382 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: can be very beneficial for us in the very end, 383 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: Understanding that we are going to have to be adaptable, 384 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: make the most out of us, most most out of it, 385 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: tap into our coaches, connections who are connected with coaches. 386 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different ways we're gonna approach this 387 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: to make sure that we have the best plan we 388 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: can COVID ready and you all know this. In the end, 389 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: I was listening to a really cool podcast recently, you know, 390 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: approaching that that pandemic highway, making sure that we're not 391 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: too extreme on it, but that we're going in with caution. 392 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: We're looking right, looking left, and we're also not disrespectful 393 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: because if we're disrespectful to the pandemic, we have many, 394 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: many more bigger issues to deal with. It's a great 395 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: point you bring up there. One one takeaway that I 396 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: have so far from this conversation though TD in Baltimore, 397 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: when I started there, we talked about smelling guy's breath. 398 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: Apparently with the Falcons you sniffed their pits. It's it's 399 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: a different way to do the same job. You know. 400 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: It really is TV, and you've been very generous with 401 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: your time today. Good luck to the Falcons. Hope you 402 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: guys stay healthy. Hopefully we get a season here. Thank you, guys. 403 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: Great great always being with you guys. Thank you. Oh 404 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: that was fun. You know, Thomas has always been very 405 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: gracious with this time for us. Buck and uh I did. 406 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: We had some fun though it talking about what was 407 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: it sniffing sniffing pits? We were team did you guys? 408 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: I've never heard sniffing pits. Yeah, you got it. You 409 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: get into you gotta you gotta get you gotta get closed. 410 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: You gotta be able to smell their breath and really 411 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: know him and man the arm pits. That's really personal. Yeah, 412 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: I'll have more of a smell your breath type person. 413 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: You know. I've had people say, you know that you're 414 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: close to Hey, is my breath? Is my breath? Okay? 415 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: I've never had somebody said like, put your arm up 416 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: in here and say, hey, is am I good? Is 417 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: this good here? And it hasn't happened. Yeah, that's that's 418 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: the weird thing, especially like, uh, when people pit out, 419 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: like that's that's not that's not nothing. I'm good on that. 420 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: I tend to run away. Uh. Can I tell you 421 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: about a couple of college kids I've been watching here 422 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: in book. Yeah, let's talk about a couple of receivers. 423 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: One is already up, the other one I think is 424 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: going to be up early next week. But I didn't 425 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: back to back talk about different guys. And uh, I 426 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: referenced it in the in the post about coach Billock 427 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: and building a basketball team. We've talked about it for 428 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: years here on the podcast. And Rashad Bateman from Minnesota 429 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: is kind of that power forward. It's not six fours 430 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: listen at six to ten, but just real physical um 431 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: and especially at the catch point. You know, one of 432 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 1: the things when you're talking about evaluating wide receivers. Uh, 433 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: somebody told me this a long time ago, and it's 434 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: something that's stuck with me. And you can really notice 435 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: it when you pay attention to it. Talking about guys 436 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: that have confidence in their hands and they believe in 437 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: their hands and strong hands. If you're watching guys on 438 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: in cuts and you see guys uh settle and it's 439 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: almost like one motion, right, they gather at the catch 440 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: point on a dig, and you see other guys that 441 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: freaking hall right through that thing. Don't break stride, catch 442 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: it on the dead move that that little thing. You 443 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: know it when you see it. It's kind of hard 444 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: to explain it, but you can see who trust their 445 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: hands and who doesn't. Yeah, And and I even taking 446 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: a step further, like when you're talking about guys that 447 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: trust their hands like that, like guys that are always 448 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: what I call pluckers hand catchers. Typically they have big hands. Um, 449 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: they typically have hands that are over the ten inch mark. 450 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: For me, d J, I had small hands, and so 451 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: I had a tough time snagging balls consistently. The ball 452 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: had to hit my hands consistently. For me to feel 453 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: like I could catch it in my hands. So I 454 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: became more of a body catcher. And you know, we 455 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: typically downgrade body catchers because you just worry about the 456 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: inconsistencies that can happen when you created a ball against 457 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: your pass and those things. Um guys that have big 458 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: hands like and Odell Beckham Jr. Michael Thomas, H. Larry 459 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald that I previously mentioned, those guys tend to always 460 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: snag the ball with their hands. And it's a huge 461 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: advantage when when guys can kind of take it off 462 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: the rim and do those things. And I think the 463 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: other thing that is coming into play as we begin 464 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: to look at the elites I am Now I'm not 465 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: saying that speed doesn't matter, but I'm not giving it 466 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: necessarily the weight that I previously gave it. I think 467 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: in certain roles, if we think about the way that 468 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: we break up the wide receiver corps, the guys that 469 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: tend to be number one traditionally aren't dispeasters. They're the 470 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: guys that maybe a little a little slower, but they're 471 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: they're they're thicker, they're physical, they have great hands, and 472 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: they can kind of endure the physical context to space. 473 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: There's tend to be the vertical stretch guys, the complimentary receiver, 474 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: the number two guy that you need to have because 475 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: it's important to have at least one of those guys 476 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: on the team. But the guys that are typically the 477 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: lead receiver in your program. Traditionally, he's not the fastest one. 478 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: He's someone who has enough speed, but he doesn't have 479 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: to be the blazer. Now that's true. And with with 480 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: him when I watched him and some of it, I 481 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: don't know how you are. When I do comps a 482 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: lot of times the number can get me. So I 483 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: see a number and I see another player with the 484 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: same number, it helps you. It reminds you of them. 485 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: So he's thirteen reminded me of Michael Thomas, you know, 486 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: because he's a big, bigger guy who can play in 487 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: the slot. He's physical versus press. He's physical at the 488 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: top of his route. Now he's gonna have to make 489 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: the adjustment of being a little more subtle with what 490 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: he's doing in that regard. He pushed off a lot. 491 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: He gets away with at the collegion level. He want 492 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: at the NFL level. But I was curious with you 493 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: when you when you got to the National Football League. 494 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: Was that something that was taught from a position coach 495 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: or was that something from the vets that they would 496 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: kind of show you a you can't extend. You gotta 497 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 1: be able to use your elbow, you can't extend all 498 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: the way out as a combination of both. Um, I 499 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: was lucky like and I'll tell you this, this is 500 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: crazy to think about. Um, how fortunate I was to 501 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: go to Buffalo and to have Charlie Joyner, a Hall 502 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: of Famer, as the position coach. But to look up 503 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: to Andre Reid, a Hall of famer, who's the number 504 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: one receiver. And what Andre Reid would do is he 505 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: would pull you to the side and say, hey, instead 506 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: of pushing up top at the shoulder, you want to 507 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: put your hand on their hip because they can't see it, 508 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: and you would create more separation. Charlie Joyner would also 509 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: walk you through um little things, little subtle tactics that 510 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: you can do to gain an advantage. So depending on 511 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: how good their position coaches, Yeah, you can you can 512 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: teach Rashod Bateman how to get away with the tricks 513 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: of the trade, depending on how much he studies the 514 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: game and the guys it he looks at. Does he 515 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: have enough awareness to say, hey, I should study larf 516 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: is Gerald, Michael Thomas, guys whose game are are are 517 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: closer to mine, and can I steal something for the 518 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 1: way that they play in the way that they are 519 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: able to have success? Well, no, it's that's great. It's 520 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: great advice. What a heck of a dB room that 521 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: you had, or a receiver room that you had their 522 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: buck Hall of Famer. You know it was so good? 523 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: Did I end up playing dB? It was so great 524 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: that I was like, oh man, look at all these 525 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: great advice. Yeah, I'm gonna go backpedal. That's hilarious. Yea, 526 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: well we've all been there one way in life, that's 527 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: for sure. Uh. The other receiver that I watched with 528 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle, you know what do you know? Who hum? 529 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: Another Alabama receiver? And I thanks to see what you 530 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: think of this, because when he's listened at five two pounds, 531 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: he has got big time juice. But not just juice, 532 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: just change the direction quickness. You see it in the 533 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: return game. He's tremendous as a punt returner and a 534 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: kick returner and just big time, big time speed is 535 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: Auburn tape is as good as you're gonna see. At 536 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: ninety eight yard kick return for a touchdown in that game, 537 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: a couple other touchdowns down the field just wild speed. 538 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: But it wasn't just to speed to me, it was 539 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: a short are quickness that he had. I think he's 540 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: a little shiftier than Henry Ruggs. Ruggs is physically stronger 541 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: than him. Um I wouldn't. I wouldn't have as high 542 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: a grade on him as I did on Ruggs just 543 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: because he's a little bit slight. But I wrote down 544 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: Santana moss. He reminds me a lot of Santana moss. 545 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: That's going because DJ, what you what you point out 546 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: is something that I wanted to make I I did 547 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: a thing where I had to put the top rookies 548 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: from twenty nineteen, and Terry mclauren was was on that list. 549 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: And he was on that list because I think he's 550 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: a rare fine as a speaster who also has stop 551 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: start ability. A lot of times it's hard for guys 552 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: that are fast four three three five fast to stop 553 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: and change direction on a dime, and it takes them 554 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: a lot of steps to gather to get in and 555 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: out of breaks with Waddle. Wattle has the ability to 556 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: go zero to sixty in a hurry, but stop and 557 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: go zero to sixty in an another direction right away. 558 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: And that is a rare trait to find because when 559 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: you can find a speaster who you can teach and 560 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: develop to be a route runner that can do other 561 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: things besides goes and post, but can run the full 562 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: gamut of the route tree because he can drop his 563 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: weight and he has to balance and body control and 564 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: bursts to get out of it. Those are the guys 565 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: that you fear from a defensive standpoint, because those are 566 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: the guys that, man, you give them so much cushion 567 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: that then they'll run all the underneath stuff and they 568 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: just they just pick you apart. With fourteen and fifteen 569 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: yard games, you come up, they run past you. That's 570 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: the guy that as a defensive coordinator I don't want 571 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: to have to deal with. And that's why Waddle is 572 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,479 Speaker 1: a guy that's going to get a lot of attention 573 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: in the process. Yeah. I nexted to see him hopefully 574 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: get some more balls this year. Um. The receivers that 575 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: moved on. When you have two first round guys that 576 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: that leave I know they have a deep group, but 577 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: hopefully he'll be a little bit more featured as he 578 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: was towards the end of the year, because man, he 579 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: has fun to watch and just make you miss that 580 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: they can get him. They can get him on some 581 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: of the college stuff with bubbles and tunnel screens and 582 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. But you can see him 583 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: get down the field and get in and out real quick. 584 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, he's not a he's not as natural 585 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: hands catcher, nowhere near as natural as Bateman. Let's the 586 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: ball into his frame a little bit more um, but man, 587 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: once he gets the ball in his hands, hold your breath. Yeah. 588 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: And and that's something that like as a scout DJ, 589 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: what I would do is, if I'm presenting him, I 590 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: think we have to talk about him being a high 591 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: volume guy, meaning, look, he's gonna have some drops and 592 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: some of that's gonna be in his DNA, but the 593 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: ones that he catches, they have an opportunity to be 594 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: touched three for a buck oh five. You know he's 595 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: gonna happen, and and and and so what you have 596 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: to do is you have to convince everybody that we're 597 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: going to be okay with a couple of drops that 598 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: may show up on tape because the rewards are gonna 599 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: be so tremendous when it comes to his ability to 600 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: put points on the board, and you know, having been 601 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: in those rooms, guys that can score points are value, 602 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: they're hot commodities. And the fact that he can score 603 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: not only as a receiver but as a returner when 604 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: we get to the end of the process, that's gonna 605 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: be an extra gold star that goes on his tag 606 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: because his ability to score points from anyone, to feel 607 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: is significant and it really matters in the evaluation. I'll 608 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: be curious with him as we talked a little bit 609 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: earlier about uh, you know, the off season and guys 610 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: are they self motivated and are they dialed in listened? 611 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: So does he come back and he is he you know, 612 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: a good looking one ninety, which would be great, or 613 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: is he come back and he's won seventy two? You 614 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: know like that That's the kind of thing we don't know. Yeah, 615 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: because depending on his frame, he he very well could 616 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: do that. And the trick will be now as evaluated 617 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: if we're not able to go into Alabama and really 618 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: get our eyes on him and see him in September 619 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: and then see him again in November. Provided that the 620 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: season is played, we won't get a chance to see 621 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: that progression. Like, man, when I came in, Wow, coach, 622 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: he was He's one seventy five when I saw him 623 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: in September, but by the time I got to him 624 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: in November, he's one five. Like what happened? What was it? 625 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: What was his offseason? Happens? Like talking to the strength 626 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: coach A what kind of worker is he? All of 627 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: those things that we normally would have in a normal situation. 628 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: It'll be interesting trying to discover that information now. So 629 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: last topic for today, and it goes along this line. 630 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: Let's say that you know some sort of football college 631 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: football was canceled for the fall. You know we've already heard, 632 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, some of the one double a's and I VS. 633 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: Shut it down. We'll see what happens with some of 634 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: these group of fives. But let's just assume some of 635 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: these prospects don't have a season and that the combine 636 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: goes off as as planned on the regular schedule. I 637 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: was thinking about this, think back to these two players. 638 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: Remember Vick Beasley. Vic Beasley played at Clemson and like 639 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: it was. We were all told he played it like 640 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: two thirty, like high thirty. But then he gets a 641 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: couple of months to train for the Combine. He showed up, 642 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: he was and like rocked up, like he had put 643 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: on you know, significant weight, fifteen pounds or so um, 644 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: rocked up. Remember Tyron Smith. Tyron Smith played a sc 645 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: in like two eight. He showed up at the Combine. 646 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: He was like he look huge. And that's with a 647 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: couple of months. That's just a couple of months. What 648 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: happens when these guys. Now, if you're if you're an 649 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: NFL prospect at the Ivy League, you know, or one 650 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: of the other conferences, you can start your your training 651 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: right now. So instead of two months, you're talking about 652 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, six seven months to get ready for the Combine. Yeah, 653 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: I mean you got you got a tremendous opportunity to 654 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: to swell up. And not only swell up, but you 655 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: get a chance to show people that you can hold 656 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: and play at their weight. A lot of times when 657 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: guys show up at the Combine, we speculate whether it's 658 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: good weight or bad weight. Can they hold it, can 659 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: they maintain it? Uh? This is the potential. Uh, Now, 660 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: when we get them, as we say, like never put 661 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: some money in their pocket. We give them opportunity to 662 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: get him a real training table and all those other 663 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: things how they can benefit. We'll get a chance to 664 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: see that um and see it play out, and it'll 665 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: be interesting. It'll also be interesting when we talk about 666 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: the leagues that are elected to play in the spring 667 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: when it comes to the workouts, do we grade those 668 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: guys on a curve? Because it won't be the same 669 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: set of circumstances that Power five schools have gotten in 670 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: terms of the training. So when we evaluate them on 671 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: their forties and and what they do with the pro day, 672 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: can I give you the answer to that. It's it's 673 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: it's something we've talked about before. Let's be smart about this. 674 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: Do you care what a guy runs on a watch 675 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: an indie or do you care what his mph was 676 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: on a football field and paths? Because that is the equalizer, 677 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: Because now you can't make that argument, oh he didn't 678 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: get a chance to train. No, I don't care about 679 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: shorts and T shirts. How fast were you on the 680 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: football field and whether you played in the fall or 681 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: the spring, those numbers, that's apples to apples When we 682 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: compare those two that is apples apples and you know, 683 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: like we we talked about this on the podcast before, 684 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: but the Rams, the Los Angeles Rams drafted Van Jefferson 685 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: off of the data day are able to collect when 686 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: he was playing at Florida talking about the miles per 687 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: hour in the and and then yes the Senior Bowl, 688 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,719 Speaker 1: so they worried less about the workout and so how 689 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: readily available that information is could be huge in the evaluations. 690 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: Maybe we're headed towards the combine. You know, the forty 691 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: is the big selling point, you know, and I trust me, 692 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: I'm I hope it stays because it's it's entertaining. But 693 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: really we always say the medical and interviews are the 694 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: real important thing. I don't know that we don't get 695 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: to the point where the m p h N game 696 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: mph replaces kind of the importance of the of the 697 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: combine forty. Well, also think about this, think about the 698 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: people that we talked about that have manufactured good measurements 699 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: at the combine that never played to that standard. We've 700 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: seen guys who in training three or four months become 701 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: Olympic athletes run faster than we see on tape, jump, higher, 702 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: post better athletic numbers than we see, and then we 703 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: get him into camp and we're like, see, this is 704 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: the same guy that I thought. I've been tricked. I've 705 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: been hoodwinked by his appearance. And so um, we we 706 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: saw a lot of teams that were able to work 707 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: around like lack of pro days, lack of private workouts, 708 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: to make decisions based off of the tape. Given the pandemic, 709 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: we may have to stick with that model for a 710 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: while because that may be the word that we live 711 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: in for a little bit, no doubt. What are you 712 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: working on? Buck? What's in the notebook this week? So 713 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: the notebook this we were talking about Sean McVeigh. Some 714 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: of this is off that conversation that you had with 715 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: him about how the rams are changing, But really he 716 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: came out on our friend Dan Haley's podcast and he 717 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: talked about how they're gonna be a little more running 718 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: back by committee after watching the San Francisco forty nine. 719 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna explore that. I'm gonna talk 720 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: about the top ten Ricky's from the twenty nineteen draft class, 721 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,479 Speaker 1: and then we're gonna talk about what we talked about, 722 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 1: how football can look different without the home field advantage. 723 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: I'm touched on that a little bit. Now. I'm glad 724 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: you brought up Helly's new podcast. It is. It is 725 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: really good. Um, if you're looking to get more eyeballs, 726 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: gotta get more eyeballs. Because I looked at the YouTube stuff. 727 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: I looked at the YouTube stuff. He has to get 728 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: more eyes. So all of my guys should kind of 729 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: check it out. His conversation with Sean McVeigh was fascinating. Also, 730 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: he had a pretty good conversation with Brady Quinn Dead 731 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: was also enlightening, a good one with Mike ray Boy. 732 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 1: It's Helly Pod h E L L I E Pod 733 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 1: and you can find it wherever you listen to podcast. 734 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: So he's a buddy and I would encourage you guys 735 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: to check that out. A reminder on the TV show, 736 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: uh It's going to launch six o'clock Eastern. That's tonight 737 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: July as we're recording this, and then six thirty will 738 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: have the Justin Herbert three six episode right after that, 739 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 1: also going to have some re years for the show, 740 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: plus the Herbert three sixty Saturday five and uh in 741 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 1: eight a m. Eastern time, So be on the lookout 742 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: for that. I hope you guys enjoyed this conversation today. 743 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: We are so fired up. At least we've got we've 744 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: got players showing up. We're seeing arrivals of quarterbacks with 745 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: Herbert and some of these other guys showing up to camp. 746 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: We're getting close, Buck, We're almost there, and we appreciate 747 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: you guys joining us along the ride. Here for one weird, 748 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: wild off season. That's that's for sure. Anyways, we'll catch 749 00:35:45,880 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: you next time right here on. Move the sticks forout 750 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: ha or to move thout