1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Forty shots of Fireball accept press one. Hello, Hello, who 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: saw mister gecko? 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: Yes? 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: Hi? 5 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 2: Who is this? 6 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Uh? This? Uh? Can I go by, mister fireball? 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 2: Sure you can go by, mister fireball. You can have 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: whatever you want. Man, what else do you want? You 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: can have whatever you want. I don't know why, but 10 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: I feel like you should have whatever you want. Tell 11 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: me more, what else do you want? 12 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? Everything and nothing at the same time. 13 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: No, come on, come on, give me the give me 14 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 2: give me. You want everything and nothing at the same time. 15 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: Let's get into that. Let's start with the everything. What's 16 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: the everything? 17 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: Everything is all the fireball. I need you for the 18 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: rest of my life, mister ge All. 19 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 2: Right, And why that was the nothing? The nothing is 20 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: the everything? As I want all this fireball and the 21 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: nothing is I know that it will ruin my life 22 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: to have that much fireball. Is that the everything? And 23 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: then nothing? 24 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: I guess so, yeah, yes, mister Gecko. I did not 25 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: expect you to answer, mister geckos. This has taken me 26 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: by surprise. 27 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: Let's just get it. Let's just dive in. Man, who 28 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: kids is We're here, We're here. 29 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: We are here. Yes, So I'll go ahead and take 30 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: the lead was there was a experience I had recently. 31 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: I woke up on a Friday at about eleven am 32 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: and I decided, Hey, you know, I want to take 33 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: forty shots of fireball. And it did not end well. Well, 34 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: it ended somewhat. It ended somewhat well because I did 35 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: not die. But I am a regular drinker, so it 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: kind of makes sense. But I figured I just wanted 37 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: to call in and highly recommend that people do not 38 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: ever take forty shots to fireball. 39 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: Now, how many shots as a regular drinker do you 40 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: typically take. 41 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: As a regular drinker on a on a day where 42 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: I'm getting crazy, I couldn't easily pound out twenty? 43 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 2: Really? And how often are you drinking. 44 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: Enough where I can pound out twenty and still be 45 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: a Okay? 46 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: Fireball is a little low proof, right. 47 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: You are correct, yes, But whenever you do forty of them, 48 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: it's still it'll get the It gets the job done. 49 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 2: How many shots are in a handle. 50 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: A handle of fireball? I can't tell you for exact 51 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: but I already did the math. I forty shots of 52 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: the fireball if I if I remember correctly, it was 53 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: about two leaders. 54 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: Two leaders. Oh shit, that's a lot. 55 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, forty shot. I did it in about a 56 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: six hour ye hour time period. I passed out drunk, 57 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: as any excessive alcohol consumption will do. And I woke 58 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: up and was still plastered and proceeded to go dress 59 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: up a fire hydrant and a cowboy outfit. 60 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: You dressed up a fire hydrant and a cowboy outfit? 61 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, mister Gecko, I did. 62 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: And I were you drinking alone? 63 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, I was. 64 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: M Are you typically drinking alone? 65 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: Not all the time? 66 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: Okay? And you mentioned to me, how do remind me 67 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: again how often you said you drink? 68 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: We'll say weekly, that's being very subtle, but weekly at 69 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: least probably more like daily. I think daily is a 70 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: lot more. 71 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: Honest, there's a big difference between weekly and daily. I 72 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: would say, okay. 73 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well daily daily, then you know, and let's 74 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: have transparency here. 75 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: Okay, are you are you drunk right now? 76 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: Yes? 77 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: How drunk are you right now? 78 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: Uh? I'm at the sweet spot? So forty shots at 79 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: fireball is way too much that that's where you're like 80 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: approaching death, But like twenty to twenty five is a 81 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: sweet spot. That's that's a good spot for me at least. 82 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 2: Mmm. Okay, like when are you doing this? Are you 83 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: doing this in the morning and the afternoon and the evening. 84 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: Well, I like to pace it out. I don't just 85 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: like to take everything straight to the dome. So today 86 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: I believe I started drinking at about one pm. 87 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: You started drinking at one pm? And what it's what Tuesday? 88 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? It just Tuesday. It is my day off though. 89 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, So like, what what do you do when 90 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: you have to like do things with your life? 91 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 3: I get I I get a little buzz going, just 92 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 3: enough buzz where I can, you know, hang throughout the 93 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 3: day and you know, do all of my business. 94 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: And then when I get a day off like I 95 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: do now, I get you know, fairly uh, fairly handled. 96 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: And who Okay, so you sometimes drink alone, but not 97 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: all the time when you're when you are drinking with 98 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: other people. Who are these people that you're drinking with? 99 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: Neither my friends? Uh, you know, co workers. I work 100 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: at a at a dive bar, so it's kind of 101 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: natural in that sense. 102 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Oh so you work out a bar, yes, yes, 103 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: I do. How long you worked at this bar for? 104 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: I've worked at this bar on and off for out two. 105 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: And a half years and how's it going. 106 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: It's actually going wonderful. The owner, who is a I 107 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: don't know, fun are we live right now? 108 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: Like? 109 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: Can I say anything offensive? 110 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: You can? Is you're You're a human being of your 111 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: own agency that can say whatever you so desire. 112 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: Understood? Okay? Well, the owner is a someone else would 113 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: refer to him as the Asian Jew. He is a 114 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: very money the very money pinching guy. 115 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: Is he is he literally an Asian Jew? 116 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: No, not literally, he's just an Asian guy. But as 117 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: far as money goes, he's kind of he's very greedy 118 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: about it. He's very he's very conservative with giving raises, 119 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: and recently he just offered me a raise. So I 120 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: would say it's going very good. 121 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: Okay, So how's your life going? Man? I mean, what's 122 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: what's up? Is this? Are you like? Is are you destroyed? 123 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: Or are you good? Like? Are you good? How are 124 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: you doing? 125 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: I think? To be honest, I think mentally and emotionally 126 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: like keep down inside. I think I might like I 127 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: might be done for all right, but but I mean 128 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: we're I'm physically still here. Why are you still kicking? 129 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 2: Why do you feel like you are done for. 130 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: A man? You gotta Sometimes you just go so far 131 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole can't come back. When really started thinking. 132 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: At least, when did you start going down the rabbit hole? 133 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three, my mother passed on it just like 134 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: it kind of evolved very very quickly after that. That 135 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: the week I lost my mother was easily the worst 136 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: week of my life. I wasn't even that close to 137 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: my mother, but it was still that week was still 138 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: easily the worst week of my life. 139 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 2: Well now what, Okay, So you weren't that close with 140 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: your mother, So I'm I'm curious, why was it so 141 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: devastating for you? 142 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: I never got to make things right. And I regret that. 143 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: I regret two things in my life, and that is 144 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: one of them. 145 00:09:54,840 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: M was there was there a particular conflict she. 146 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, my mother was a drug addict, and due to 147 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: her addiction, we had to be separated. When I was 148 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: about I was in fifth grade. I want to say 149 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: I was about nine or ten years old, and I 150 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: am whenever I lost her, I was twenty three, yep, 151 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: twenty I was twenty three going on twenty four, And 152 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: as I when she passed, I realized, you know, it's 153 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: too late I can't, you know, make things sort of 154 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: okay despite everything that happened, that's still my mother, and 155 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: I still love her even after that, I still. 156 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: Love So was there, ever, was there a plan that 157 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: you had of some kind to reconcile with her? 158 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: Yes, there was a plan, But I fought a losing battle. 159 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,599 Speaker 2: You fought a losing battle. 160 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: Yes, Sarah did, mister Gecko. 161 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: Well what do you mean by that? 162 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: Well, whenever people are addicts, there's a certain stigma around them, 163 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: and you know a lot of people will shun them 164 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: and kind of treat them like the black sheep. So 165 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: although I want to reconcile and you know, make peace 166 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: with things, there are a lot of people close to 167 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,239 Speaker 1: me who were not quite on board with it. 168 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: Sure, sure, okay, So that's when the drinking got heavy. 169 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: Yes, it was already an issue prior, but it didn't 170 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: get completely out of control until that event happened. 171 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: M And what has it been like every day since then? 172 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: I've made attempts to stop, unsuccessful, but I have tried, 173 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: but I've I had a good three month period where 174 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: I wasn't doing anythinger no drinking, and I just fell 175 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: off the wagon. And once you a lot of people 176 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: who don't. Do, you know, alcohol, although it's not although 177 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: people consider it a very sociable drug, not don't consider 178 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: it a hard drug. It is still a hard drug. 179 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: And what people don't understand is that even if you 180 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: take like a year or so off alcohol, you can 181 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: still go back to drinking the next day just as 182 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: heavy as you were. 183 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 2: Have you ever spoken to a real therapist about any 184 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: of this? 185 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: Briefly? And briefly? 186 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 2: What did they say? 187 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: They always give you very generic advice. They always give 188 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: you like, you know, maybe you should, maybe you should, 189 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, sit down with your thoughts. You know, maybe 190 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: if you think about drinking counts one hundred until the 191 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: you know, until the it goes away. 192 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: So to say, m you ever been to like a rehab? 193 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: I have not actually been to rehab. No, no, mister gecko. 194 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: So you believe that you are done for. 195 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: You know, mentally and emotionally, yes, I think I'm very Mentally, 196 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm still engaged in my reality. Mentally, I can see 197 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: what's going on around me, I understand it. But emotionally, 198 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: I'm just very detached from everything at this point. 199 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 2: How old are you? 200 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: I am twenty five going on twenty six in August. 201 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, you're a young guy. 202 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, like there's still it's there's still a hope, 203 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: there's still some wide at the end of the tunnel. 204 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I'm searching for it. 205 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: Okay, so you're not really engaged. You know what, Let's 206 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: do it. I'll go, I'll go, I'll go, I'll go 207 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: attempt to do real therapy. Here mode, let's do it. 208 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: Let's do armchair therapy. Are you down? You're down to 209 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: do armchred? 210 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're here. 211 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: What's you're You're right? Fuck it, we're here. Let's do it. 212 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: Let's do armshare therapy. I guess it's the whole podcast. 213 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: But all right, you're emotionally detached from your reality? Correct? 214 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? Very much? 215 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, like, take me through your life. 216 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: Do you have anything in it that's worth having emotional 217 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: attachment to any one or anything? Any people, any goals, 218 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: any locations, Like do you have things in your life 219 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: that are worth your emotional engagement? 220 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: You know, I have a very good group of friends, 221 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: amazing that that that will have my back no matter what. 222 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: I know that for one hundred percent. And at this 223 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: point I've kind of realized that maybe with the way 224 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: I've been moving the past few years, that working a 225 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: dive bar might not be the best thing. So I'm 226 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: currently like looking to move into another career field. But 227 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: it takes time. It's not just it's not just the 228 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: night and day thing. It takes a lot of time. 229 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: What career field are you looking to move into. 230 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm planning on getting into the oil and gas. 231 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: Industry, okay, like as a worker. 232 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: To start out with you, you know, I just start 233 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: out at the bottom. I've I've looked into it a 234 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: little bit, and if I can go to job fair 235 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: with a CDL license in some of my safety certifications, 236 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: there's a high likelihood as long as I present myself 237 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: well that I could get a job. 238 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: M and so does the prospect of doing that motivate 239 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 2: you in any way to be emotionally engaged with your reality. 240 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 1: Now that you mention it, Yes, it makes me. It 241 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: makes me a lot more mindful of everything around me 242 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: and how I need to engage and just in general 243 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: move and plan. 244 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, so you're not, so what's all this talk 245 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 2: about being done for. 246 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, even though I have the plan, I 247 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: I I'm making the move. You know still mentally and emotionally, 248 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: it's almost like I'm stuck in that. You know, that 249 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: that moment, that life I was about, that life I 250 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: was living. And although although it's almost like I could 251 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: see the light at the end of the tunnel, like 252 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: I can envision it, I can imagine it, I still 253 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: like can't see it yet. I'm not that close. I'm 254 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: not quite there yet. 255 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're still You're still moving, You're still walking. 256 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: You're correct. Yeah, I know you're You're absolutely correct. Yeah, 257 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: I guess I guess in that since I haven't quite 258 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: given up because I am still I am still moving. 259 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Yeah, you're still moving, so you haven't completely 260 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 2: given up. You have some vague form of direction, you 261 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 2: have friends. Yeah, I mean you're not. I don't think 262 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 2: you are completely hopeless to improve your life by any means. 263 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: You're still young. I I talk about this one here 264 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 2: a lot, and I do believe it. And it's very 265 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: easy to kind of succumb to inclinations that you're done 266 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 2: or you're over with. But like you know, reality shapes 267 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 2: itself around your expectations of it in a way, and 268 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: so when you stop believing that you're finished, you start 269 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: to take actions as if you're not finished, and then 270 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: things start to you know, reality starts to shape itself 271 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 2: more positively. 272 00:19:54,040 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: I hear you. I understand, it's just it, you know. Whenever, 273 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: whenever you hit that moment where it's rock bottom, like 274 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: truthfully rock bottom, it's super hard to get out of it. 275 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: And I, like I told you, my mother passed in 276 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Here we are in twenty twenty six now, 277 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: and I am just now like starting to make a planet, 278 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: starting to even make an attempt to get out of it. 279 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: You know, I wallowed in my own sorrow for a while. 280 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, good job. Not good that you 281 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 2: wallowed in your own sorrow, but you know, good job. 282 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 2: I mean you you could have well spent the rest 283 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: of your life doing that, but you still got a 284 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 2: lot of time to. 285 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: You know, do well, Yes, sir, mister Gecko. Yeah, but 286 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, though, I'll good. Whenever I took those 287 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: forty shots of Fireball, I was very very afraid I 288 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: was gonna die, and that kind of snapped me back 289 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: to reality in a way. I do not recommend anyone 290 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: do that, Like I actually recommend the absolute ope opposite, like, 291 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: please don't ever do that. But it was. It was 292 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: a traumatizing experience, honestly, and it made me, you know, 293 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: kind of wake up a little bit. Mm hm. 294 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 2: Hmmm. Uh. Do you have any other family? 295 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? I have a very womited family, but I still 296 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: have some other family. 297 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 2: And what's their deal? Are they around? 298 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: I have my grandmother around, okay? 299 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 2: And is she in your life? 300 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: Is she. 301 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: Taking part? 302 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's present in my life. We're any good standings? 303 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. 304 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: Does she know what you're going through? 305 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: No, you know, that's my grandmother. I've honestly done my 306 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: best to keep her in the dark about it, like 307 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: you know, she's had suspicions and all, but I've never 308 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I've never wanted to quite exposure 309 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: to what I'm going through. She was, you know, the 310 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: my mother was her daughter, so she went through a 311 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,719 Speaker 1: loss as well during that time, and I don't want 312 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: to make it harder for her. 313 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: M m. And your friends, did they know what's going 314 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: on with you? 315 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: Not to the full extent. 316 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: Have you ever ever been to like AA or anything 317 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: like that. 318 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's there was, Actually it was actually very recently. 319 00:22:55,119 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to go to an AA meeting nearby. And 320 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: I walked outside the building and I looked inside, and well, 321 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: first off, I looked outside the building and the alcoholics 322 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: anonymous was in Spanish. So I was like, okay, like 323 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: this might not this might this might not be the 324 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: one for me. But I took a peek inside still, 325 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: just to look inside the building, and it was this older, 326 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: too looking guy, right, like an older Mexican uncle. Yeah, 327 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: and look, that's not an issue at all. The issue 328 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: is I don't speak Spanish good enough to attemple one 329 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: of those meetings. That was a bigger issue. 330 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: That's a bummer because this guy, he sounds like it 331 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: sounds like if you did speak a little bit Spanish, 332 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 2: this guy would have some wisdom for you. 333 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. I just my me espaniol s malo. 334 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: That's pretty good. Okay, So you didn't actually go to 335 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: an AA meeting. You stood in front of a building 336 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: and saw that it was you went to one that 337 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 2: was in Spanish, and then you didn't go in at all, 338 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 2: and then you went home, So you didn't You just 339 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: didn't go to a meeting. 340 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: It's really, you know, it's very it's very intimidating. Going 341 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: to a meeting, period, but whatever, but a whole different language. 342 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: It's a lot more intimidation. I'm sorry, mister Gecko, but 343 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: it is No. 344 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 2: I mean, brother, they have him in English. You should 345 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 2: go find an English one. 346 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably right. That was probably benefit me quite well. 347 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: Previously you've been like, prior to that, I visited born 348 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: in English. 349 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: Oh so previously prior to that you had before been 350 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: to one in English? Yeah, okay, how was that? 351 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: You know, Like I said, I am twenty five years old. 352 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: It's it's super super rare to find someone my age 353 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: and a yeah they're a lot older exactly. 354 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's good. That's really I think that's a 355 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: good thing, right, because that's who you that's who you 356 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: want to be around. Is you want to be around 357 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 2: motherfuckers where it's like they know where your path leads. 358 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 2: Those people have wisdom that can only be ascertained through 359 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 2: lived experience, and those are the motherfuckers you want to 360 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 2: you want to be talking to. 361 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, you're definitely right there. It just it 362 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 1: just kind of makes me uncomfortable a little bit. You know. 363 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: It's it's not it's it's it's out of my comfort zone. 364 00:25:59,400 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: That's exactly. 365 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: It's just yeah, but you gotta you gotta get a 366 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 2: little bit outside of your comfort zone if you wanna, 367 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 2: you know, kind of el evolve yourself into the kind 368 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: of person that you want to be. 369 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: You know, You're right, being comfortable doesn't It won't make 370 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: you grow any. 371 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I I do the same thing in 372 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 2: a lot of aspects of my life. I stayed comfortable 373 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: because I don't want to fucking deal with anything. But uh, 374 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 2: do you know, you gotta you gotta do it. You 375 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: gotta do some stuff. No, I. 376 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: Agree, mister Geto, and I really appreciate your time. No, 377 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I already said I'm working towards a 378 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: career change, and that's I can look around for more meetings. 379 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: It's not the end of the world. Just because I 380 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: happen to stumble upon one close by that I didn't 381 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: quite understand. 382 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: What state do you live in? I'm just curious. You're Texas, Dallas, Texas, Okay, man, 383 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: so just an okay town. 384 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm on the outskirts, but I'm close to note to 385 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: Dallas where I am in Dallas? M hmm, what's your 386 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: name again, mister fireball? 387 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: Mister fireball. Okay, mister fireball, I'm rooting for you, mister fireball, 388 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: I'm rooting for you. If there's one thing that you 389 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: could do, I believe the best thing you could do 390 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 2: is to at minimum stop telling yourself that you're doomed. 391 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: That's I actually genuinely believe that's the worst thing you 392 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 2: could do, because the second you throw your hands up 393 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 2: and believe that you're or doomed is when it starts 394 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 2: to happen. So the only way you can really have 395 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: any hope is to, you know, have hope. If that 396 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 2: makes any sense. 397 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: No, it makes complete sense. Thank you. 398 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. Is there anything else you want to say to 399 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 2: the people of the computer before we go, mister fireball. 400 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: Whatever you do, don't ever take forty shots Fireball. 401 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 2: I'm gonna call you mister Lacroix. Maybe you'll get into 402 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 2: Lacroix and you replace the fireball with Lacroix. That could 403 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: be good. 404 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: Well, no, what I'll look good to that? That's sparkling water, right, yes, sir? 405 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can I can dig that. 406 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: All right, mister f Good luck man. 407 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate your time. 408 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: Okay, okay man, take care, good luck brother. Yes, that 409 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: was a gentleman from Dallas, Texas who uh we're rooting 410 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 2: for We're rooting for him. He's gonna turn it around. 411 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: He's gonna turn around. He's gonna he's gonna learn Spanish. 412 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 2: He's gonna stop calling people Asian Jews. He's gonna get sober, 413 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 2: he's gonna figure it out, he's gonna have a good life. 414 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: I'll put it into the universe. What's up everyone, It's Lyle. 415 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna make this a half phone call, half gek 416 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: mail episode, and this is gonna be the gek mail 417 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 2: half where I read emails that people have sent me 418 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 2: to the email address therapy Gecko mail at gmail dot com. 419 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: And uh, I ponder the emails. So we're gonna spend 420 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: the next let's call it a half hour pondering emails 421 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 2: that people have sent me to therapy Gecko mail at 422 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 2: gmail dot com. Let's begin with let's see, let's begin 423 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 2: with this one from Alex, subject line Midwest Pineapple Guy. Hey, Gek, 424 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 2: my name is Alex, and I want to tell you 425 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 2: about this guy I met in VRChat. I was in 426 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: a world by a fire in this world on VRChat 427 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 2: when this guy comes up to me and starts saying, Bro, 428 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: you need to grow a garden, bro, because you know why, 429 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 2: because if you don't, someone else will do it for you. 430 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 2: Interesting or something like that, along with him rambling on 431 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 2: about the universe and talking about how we are probably 432 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: friends in another timeline, but on this one this will 433 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 2: be the only time we ever speak to each other. Wait, 434 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: this guy sounds very interesting. After that, he left, and 435 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 2: this other guy who was behind him came up and 436 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 2: was just as weirded out as me. Wait why were 437 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: you weirded out? I don't hold on, Wait why were 438 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: you weirded out? This is the whole point of vr 439 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 2: chat is to meet insane people who say great who 440 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 2: say interesting stuff. You know, I mean, listen, I don't know. 441 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: I feel like being weirded out in a thing or 442 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 2: where like everyone is dressed up as like Peter Pan 443 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 2: and Hatsune Miku and fucking Charlie Brown whatever, like. I 444 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know if you can really I 445 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 2: don't know if it's really fair game to get weirded 446 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 2: out in vr chat. You're kind of getting what you 447 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: came there for. In my humble opinion, Okay, let me 448 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 2: finish reading the email. This was reassuring because I was 449 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 2: smoking some weed and I couldn't tell if I was 450 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 2: too high to understand him or if he was just 451 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: talking nonsense. Then, after talking about what just happened for 452 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: a moment, they got I came back and started again 453 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 2: with his same talking points. We tried to ask him 454 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 2: what he was on, because it was clear that he 455 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: was on something, and his only response was Midwest Pineapple bro. 456 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 2: And when I finally decided to look it up was 457 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 2: because he said bro, I already said Midwest Pineapple. It 458 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 2: turns out Midwest Pineapple is a very strong edible. Eventually, 459 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 2: he continued his rambling about growing gardens and timelines in 460 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: the universe. He stopped and stayed still. I think he 461 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: passed out. But a whole group formed to listen to 462 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 2: this guy, and we were all talking about how weird 463 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 2: it was. But my headset died and I don't know 464 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 2: what else happened. It was wild and it was mind 465 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 2: fucking Anyway, have a great day. I hope you find 466 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: this just as funny as I did. Thanks, Alex. I'm 467 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 2: very first. I have many questions about the Midwest Pineapple guy. 468 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 2: I want to know what character he was. And also, 469 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 2: by the way, here's the thing, the Midwest pineapple guy. 470 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 2: That guy is a modern day philosopher hands down. Okay, 471 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 2: this is twenty twenty six. If Socrates, if the twenty 472 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 2: twenty six version of Socrates is going to be a 473 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 2: dude in vr chat who's high talking about the universe 474 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,719 Speaker 2: through a knuckles avatar, so you know, that's the form 475 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 2: that I expect modern day philosophers to take. So I'm 476 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 2: not weird it out. I think this guy had some 477 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 2: he had something to him, and it's true. You do 478 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: need to grow garden or else someone else will do 479 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: it for you. This guy, I like this guy. Can 480 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 2: you find this guy, Alex, bring him to me. I 481 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 2: want to replace him as the host of this podcast. 482 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,719 Speaker 2: I think he would do a better job, honestly, and 483 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 2: he's already good. He can just he can just make 484 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 2: the character like he can just use a Gecko character 485 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 2: or in vr chat. He doesn't even have to wear 486 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 2: my gross, smelly costume. Anyway, shout out this pineapple guy 487 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,280 Speaker 2: who was really high and just providing classic entertainment value 488 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 2: to the citizens of vr chat universe. Okay, this is 489 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 2: from Josh subject line my new family is fucking me up. Hey, ghak, 490 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 2: I wanted to write you and tell you about my problem. 491 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 2: I just had a daughter with my girlfriend, and it's 492 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 2: fucking me up big time. I love both of them 493 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 2: more than I've ever loved anything except my thirteen year 494 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 2: old cat. They're all family anyways. Having a daughter is 495 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 2: making me do things I hate doing, and it's making 496 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 2: me worry about things I don't even care about. It 497 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 2: might be because I'm autistic, but I've genuinely never cared 498 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 2: about the normal concept of everyday life, you know, like 499 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 2: talking to people and caring about others, or even being 500 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 2: successful in a job. I hate talking to people, like 501 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 2: sometimes I start a conversation just to be friendly because 502 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 2: you can tell they need or want to talk to someone, 503 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 2: and as soon as I do, my brain immediately defaults 504 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 2: back to how long does this go on before I 505 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 2: can leave? I also never really cared much about working. 506 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 2: I have my own place, we all live in it, 507 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 2: and I have a pretty cool job that I really 508 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 2: don't care about. What is this cool job that you 509 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 2: don't care about? Up until now? As long as I 510 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 2: made enough money to keep me and my cat out 511 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 2: of the weather, buy some burgers and pay my phone bill. 512 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 2: I'm pretty happy now with my new daughter. My brain 513 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 2: is trying to freak out about making more money, finding 514 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 2: us a better place to live, and being friendly with us. 515 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 2: So she has a decent network of people around her, 516 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 2: and I hate it. I feel like it's such a 517 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 2: sham or con that now I need to buy a 518 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,439 Speaker 2: house and save money for emergencies. But I don't want 519 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 2: my daughter to have a lousy life. I didn't realize 520 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 2: how many more people I'd have to interact with after 521 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 2: having a kid, people like doctors and nurses, caregivers and 522 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 2: even neighbors. So many people want to talk to me 523 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 2: about the baby and give us stuff, and I'm thankful, 524 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 2: but deep down, in the immediate moments it happens, I 525 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 2: hate it. I hate when people try to talk to 526 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 2: me or ask me questions and I have to play 527 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 2: nice and smile and pretend to care about their problems 528 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 2: just to get some free baby clothes and whatnot. It's 529 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 2: not that I hate being a father. That part kicks ass. 530 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 2: I hate all the stuff that comes with it, like 531 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 2: being responsible and socializing with people I've spent my whole 532 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 2: life avoiding. So now I don't even know how to 533 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,479 Speaker 2: talk to them. I really only get along with four 534 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 2: people on this planet. But now I have to figure 535 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 2: out how to act like people so my daughter can 536 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 2: have a good life and not end up weird like me. 537 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 2: Josh got Josh, I got a lot of thoughts about 538 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 2: your message. First of all, you know what I uh, 539 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 2: my gut instinct is like you know, listen, man, I 540 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 2: don't think that. Uh. I think these feelings are like 541 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,240 Speaker 2: real and legitimate. You know you're feeling them, you're having them, 542 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 2: They're there. But as far as like what you should 543 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 2: do with them, yes, it is true. There is a 544 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,919 Speaker 2: you you have activated the biological instinct that happens once 545 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 2: you have a child that goes, oh it's I mean, 546 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 2: it's it's ancient, dude. It's like you have a kid 547 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 2: and now you're like, I gotta go run into the 548 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 2: woods with a spear and get a fucking fish salmon 549 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 2: so I can feed my kid. Right, But except it's 550 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 2: like I have to get a better job, I have 551 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 2: to start making more money and uh, dude, honestly, you 552 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 2: know what I'm a proponent of, like live your life 553 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 2: the way you want to live your life, but also man, 554 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 2: Like this kind of feels like it's a good opportunity 555 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 2: for you. I know you hate talking to other people, 556 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 2: and you know, I'm trying to I like talking to people, 557 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 2: so I'm trying to channel into your brain here. But like, dude, 558 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 2: this is an opportunity for you to grow, right, Like, 559 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 2: like I think that you're just like creating artificial resistance 560 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 2: between you and the universe, right, Like, at a certain point, 561 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 2: you just have to submit yourself to it. I know 562 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 2: it's hard, it's really hard because like if your gut 563 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 2: is telling you that you just hate talking all these people, 564 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 2: it's hard to kind of fake it till you make 565 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 2: it type of thing. But like, I don't know, man, 566 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 2: I think you have to at minimum, like you don't 567 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 2: have you don't have to like it, but you have 568 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 2: to embrace it as a necessity. And also, dude, if 569 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 2: you want your daughter to have a good life, like 570 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 2: and you said, you're saying, like I want my daughter 571 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 2: to have a good life and not end up weird 572 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 2: like me. Right, So, like this is a good opportunity 573 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 2: for you to be a good example to your daughter, 574 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 2: Like would you would you want? I mean you should? 575 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 2: You should do whatever you want, But would you want 576 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 2: your daughter to like avoid talking to people and to 577 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 2: not have ambitions and to not care about being successful 578 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 2: and having a good life and to avoid these things 579 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 2: that you're avoiding. No, you'd want them to, you know, 580 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 2: embrace the universe around them. So you should, I guess, 581 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 2: act in a way that you would want your daughter 582 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 2: to be able to like look up to you and 583 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 2: be like, oh, I want to be like my dad. 584 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:06,919 Speaker 2: My dad fucking is well connected, he's ambitious, he likes 585 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 2: doing stuff. Hmmm mm hmmmmmm mmm. Yeah, man, yeah, I 586 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 2: think I think you do have to figure out how 587 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 2: to act like a real person so that your daughter 588 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 2: are gonna have a good life. But that's good man. Also, 589 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 2: I'll say you know what, Listen, I commend you. I 590 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 2: really do. I commend you because I think, like, in turn, 591 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,839 Speaker 2: I don't think we can kind of, I don't think 592 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 2: that we can. Uh. I know, I just gave you 593 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 2: the advice to do this, but I don't really think 594 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 2: that we can change our gut feelings about things. And 595 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 2: your gut feeling is that you. 596 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 1: Just hate. 597 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 2: Having to talk to all these people. But you're doing 598 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 2: what I think is a pretty amazing thing. Which is 599 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 2: you're fucking just doing it anyway, right, You're just doing 600 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,439 Speaker 2: it anyway. Keep just doing it anyway, because like you'd 601 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 2: be a piece of shit if you were like, you know, 602 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 2: I don't really feel like talking to the doctor, so 603 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:10,399 Speaker 2: I'm just not going to make my daughter a doctor appointment. Right, 604 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 2: Like you're like you're hating it the whole time, but 605 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 2: you're still doing it. So respect for that. But yeah, man, 606 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 2: I would just embrace this as like a opportunity to 607 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 2: be of the universe more. I mean, that's the thing 608 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 2: about having a kid, right, is like you're kinda I 609 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 2: think in life, you kind of have like a nice 610 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 2: rhythm to your life. Right. You were like, I got 611 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 2: my cat, and if I can make enough money to 612 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 2: keep me in my cat chill and pay my phone bill, 613 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 2: I'm pretty happy. And then you were like you kind 614 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,760 Speaker 2: of made the decision of let's shake it up, right, 615 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 2: let's have a kid in there. And you have to 616 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 2: accept the fact that when you have a kid, you're 617 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 2: going to disturb your life's rhythm. 618 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: Uh. 619 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 2: You seem like you're really happy with being a dad, 620 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 2: you said, make you love your daughter, but you're kind 621 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 2: of going through the uncomfortable part of like disturbing your 622 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 2: life rhythm. And you know, I think within the disturbance 623 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,280 Speaker 2: of one's life rhythm there is uh room for growth. 624 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 2: So uh, you know, keep making your daughter doctor's appointments, 625 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 2: keep doing stuff like that. Let's keep going. This is 626 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 2: from Pierson. Subject line in all caps, pessimism pisss me 627 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 2: off with five exclamation points. Hey, Gek, I'm listening to 628 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 2: your latest Gek mail episode as I write this. I 629 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 2: don't have any specific problems going on in my life 630 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 2: at the moment. I'm in school. I enjoy going outside 631 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:08,399 Speaker 2: and doing activities in my free time. We love activities. 632 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 2: I've been listening to your podcast since I was fourteen, 633 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 2: and I enjoy the content. I've noticed over the years 634 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 2: that many people who call in feel as though the 635 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 2: world and all it holds is heinous. Even in my 636 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 2: own life, there are people whose outlook on life is 637 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 2: seemingly filled with doom, gloom, and worry. I understand that 638 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 2: there are many circumstantial differences that create these feelings, but 639 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 2: to me, weighing yourself down with the entire weight of 640 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 2: the world's problems can only be detrimental to both you 641 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 2: and the world. This overly pessimistic outlook pisses me off, 642 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 2: whether it's about political situations, the economy, emotional issues. It 643 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 2: truly annoys me to hear people who have seemingly given 644 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 2: up and are now victims to the world they feel 645 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 2: is so horrible. I'm with you, peerson. I feel that 646 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 2: letting things outside of your control influence your life so 647 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 2: greatly is and that this has only been accentuated by 648 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 2: the emergence of the digital world and globalization. Yes, bad 649 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 2: things happen in this world. I know the world is 650 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 2: far from perfect, and perhaps this outlook is ignorant, but 651 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 2: oftentimes I find it difficult to have sympathy for people 652 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 2: who are not doing their very best to improve their situation. 653 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 2: To extend off of this point, I feel it's the 654 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 2: people with the least to worry about who are often 655 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 2: playing the victim card in life. Many privileged people who 656 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 2: have more than a less fortunate person could ever imagine, 657 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 2: still find a way to be miserable, ungrateful, and pessimistic 658 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 2: about their lives. So often I see people with the 659 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 2: largest burdens push through them and remain optimistic, motivated, and 660 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,880 Speaker 2: seemingly happy, which with much less to be happy about. 661 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 2: I hate lucky people's magnetism toward misery and I want 662 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 2: it to stop. Anyway, I love your podcast, appreciate you. 663 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 2: My advice to the people of the computer is to 664 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 2: be active, go outside, and don't make yourself miserable for 665 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 2: no reason. Also, I'm going to your show in Vancouver. 666 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:07,359 Speaker 2: Thanks Pearson. Yes, Vancouver, please please come to the show. 667 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 2: I don't know when exactly I'm going to Vancouver, but 668 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 2: go to therapy geco tour dot com. Anyway, Thank you, Pearson, 669 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 2: I'll see you there. Pearson. Uh, you know, Pearson, I'm 670 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 2: with you. I know it's it's an unpopular opinion. I've 671 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:28,240 Speaker 2: been thinking about it a lot because truthfully, just being 672 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 2: online is the strongest gravitator toward that think. Like I like, 673 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 2: I see all this stuff online where people like believe 674 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:45,879 Speaker 2: that the default mode of the universe is that it's 675 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 2: fucked up and everything is fucked up. And then like 676 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 2: I go outside and I see like a lady on 677 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 2: a bike and I'm like, well, this lady's on a 678 00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 2: bike and that's and that's happening right now. Yeah, wars 679 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 2: are happening, poverty is happening. Yes, lots of bad things 680 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 2: are happening, but the phones do this fucking thing where 681 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,200 Speaker 2: like they pinpoint in on horrible things that are happening 682 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 2: in the world. And then it's like if you just 683 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 2: look up from the phone and you look around outside, 684 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 2: people are walking with their friends, people are drinking a coffee. 685 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,800 Speaker 2: People are just like walking around living their lives, talking 686 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 2: to each other, like like like regular life, dude, regular, boring, stupid, 687 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 2: normal life is happening much more across the planet than 688 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 2: like crazy crazy bullshit. But of course you only hear 689 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 2: the crazy bullshit. Nobody's gonna take a video of a 690 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,360 Speaker 2: guy walking his dog and be like, look at this 691 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 2: guy walking his dog and just and breathing. But that's 692 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,799 Speaker 2: how you're gonna go. You how many guys who are 693 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,399 Speaker 2: just you know, many people are just walking a dog 694 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,800 Speaker 2: and looking at this guy like things are more fine 695 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,920 Speaker 2: than not. And also like I don't know, man, like 696 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 2: fucking wars and poverty and like political corruption and all 697 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,800 Speaker 2: these things. Like I mean, I've said this on the 698 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,239 Speaker 2: podcast a billion times, but I'll reiterate it just because 699 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 2: the emailers bring it up. But all these things are 700 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 2: not new. They're new for us as people. They're certainly 701 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,280 Speaker 2: new for us as Americans. I know this person's not American. 702 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:41,839 Speaker 2: They're Canadian, I think. But anyway, Pearson, I agree with you. 703 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,799 Speaker 2: I won't I won't rant too much, but I appreciate. Also, 704 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,360 Speaker 2: you're a young dude. You were fourteen when you started 705 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 2: listening to the podcast in twenty twenty one, so you're 706 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 2: like nineteen now. I think the world needs more people 707 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 2: who are not, you know, pissed off about everything. So 708 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 2: much for you. Okay. This is from Nicholas Greenwood, subject 709 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 2: line rendezvous, Hello Gecko. I am the abominable snowman. I 710 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 2: live off the East Polar Caps. The weather here is 711 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 2: nice and chill, perfect for my fur type. Since I 712 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 2: moved here back in the early winter when snow cone 713 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 2: sales were low, my life has improved. I just got 714 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 2: some sick new horn tats as well. Anyway, I am 715 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 2: inviting you to the East Polar Caps in my village 716 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:42,800 Speaker 2: in the abominable region of Antarctica. I'll think about it. Okay. 717 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,880 Speaker 2: This is from Rhiannon, subject line should I be less 718 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 2: honest with my mother? Let's see what's up, dear lyle. 719 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 2: I am an artist and a writer currently living in Scotland. 720 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 2: I am writing primarily about some troubles I am having 721 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,880 Speaker 2: with my mother. She works in coordination for the arts. 722 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 2: A wonderful woman, insightful, hard working and one of the 723 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 2: bravest people I have ever known. I admire her and 724 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,919 Speaker 2: deeply desire her respect. She escaped my shithead abusive father 725 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,880 Speaker 2: with nothing but me, then three years old, in her arms, 726 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,640 Speaker 2: and raised me as a single mother. The town where 727 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 2: I grew up is not very diverse. I am mixed 728 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,360 Speaker 2: raced and my family is from India, so my mamma 729 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 2: is visibly brown. There was a lot of bigotry from 730 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,800 Speaker 2: the townsfolk. As a result, we were always very close. 731 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 2: I have memories of her encouraging me to trust nobody 732 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 2: but her, relevant at the time since my father was 733 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,600 Speaker 2: a creepy stockery type. However, I am now twenty six. 734 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 2: My life has changed drastically since I was a child 735 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 2: in that little village. I studied fine arts and got 736 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,440 Speaker 2: my degree and now live in a friendly, accepting city. 737 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,680 Speaker 2: I am a professional artist and a bookseller on the weekends. 738 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,080 Speaker 2: I am currently living with my two partners, Dog seven 739 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 2: years together in June and Fox four years together in April. 740 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,000 Speaker 2: She's got like a snow white thing going on. That's 741 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,359 Speaker 2: pretty cool. Further adding to the parade of polyamorous individuals 742 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 2: emailing and calling you, we have an actual dog as well, 743 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 2: who is very sweet and growing old and is my 744 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 2: best friend. Pick attached for your enjoyment, and she has 745 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,080 Speaker 2: a little picture of a dog right here. It's very cute. 746 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 2: I make artwork about my life and the people around me, 747 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:37,120 Speaker 2: the people I love. I am a queer, trans masculine person, 748 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 2: but beyond that, I'm not sure I can hammer down 749 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 2: many labels. Even while stating that she accepts me and 750 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 2: loves me unconditionally. My mother clearly dislikes all of these things, 751 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,480 Speaker 2: including the dog, and does not behave. Why does she 752 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 2: hate that you have a dog? Okay, she does not 753 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,719 Speaker 2: behave in a very accepting way. She persists in trying 754 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,240 Speaker 2: to make be engaged with girly things, buys me makeup 755 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,160 Speaker 2: clothes and toiletrees for any gift. Fox and I have 756 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,400 Speaker 2: been living together for longer than many people take to 757 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,960 Speaker 2: get married, but she still will not invite her to 758 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,080 Speaker 2: family dinners. I know many queer people at this point 759 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 2: begin keeping their personal lives as just that personal it's 760 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,720 Speaker 2: normal enough not to tell your parents everything. She worries 761 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 2: if I haven't contacted her in a week, but then 762 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 2: goes quiet and stormy if I talk candidly about my life. 763 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,400 Speaker 2: She takes great joy in closely watching and encouraging my 764 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,000 Speaker 2: artistic career. But what I make art about is precisely 765 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,600 Speaker 2: what she doesn't want to hear. Mm I feel I 766 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,880 Speaker 2: truly do need her help and her patronage. More than anything, 767 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,320 Speaker 2: I want her love and her approval. I want fox 768 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,200 Speaker 2: and Dog to be able to be with me without 769 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 2: reservations or disapproval. We'd like to marry quietly and have 770 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,760 Speaker 2: children eventually. Of course, my mother thinks any child resulting 771 00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,400 Speaker 2: from a three way relationship would be born a cat demon. 772 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,560 Speaker 2: Should I be less honest with her? Should I keep 773 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 2: all this to myself and find something else to make 774 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,120 Speaker 2: art about altogether? Or should I stay stubborn in my 775 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 2: ways and hope she comes around all the best? 776 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:12,680 Speaker 1: Ree? 777 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,880 Speaker 2: Well, ree, uh, you know I'm sorry to hear that 778 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 2: your mom is not uh, is not encouraging of your existence. 779 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:32,439 Speaker 2: And here's what I here's here's what I think. First 780 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,879 Speaker 2: of all, you should absolutely, positively the last fucking thing 781 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:43,680 Speaker 2: that you should do is to let this like change 782 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,359 Speaker 2: the direction of your art. You know what I mean. Like, 783 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 2: you're a professional artist, you have one life clearly, the 784 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,919 Speaker 2: the you know, your personal life and your experiences are 785 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,640 Speaker 2: the things that you want to talk about, and you 786 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:05,480 Speaker 2: should never let anyone or anything stop you from wanting 787 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 2: to make the art that you're gonna make. So you 788 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,080 Speaker 2: should definitely not find something else to make art about 789 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,640 Speaker 2: if that's if that's what you want to make art about, 790 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:20,000 Speaker 2: is the things in your life that your mom disapproves of. Now, 791 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 2: as far as how to like navigate the relationship with 792 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:29,200 Speaker 2: your mom as a whole, dude, I kind of think 793 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 2: this is a situation where it's like, I know, ah, 794 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,600 Speaker 2: fuck man, I know it's kind of hard, but like 795 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:41,359 Speaker 2: I think you should like kinda as an adult, right 796 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,799 Speaker 2: as a twenty six year old, I think that you 797 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:49,360 Speaker 2: should be very confident about the life that you've chosen 798 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:55,319 Speaker 2: for yourself and be very confident in who you are 799 00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,040 Speaker 2: and that, uh, this is the life that's making you happy. 800 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,440 Speaker 2: And I don't think you should dull that confidence down 801 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,600 Speaker 2: for your mom. But then listen, you can have your 802 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 2: cake and eat it too, right, because you can still 803 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,399 Speaker 2: love your mom and still respect your mom, still want 804 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,560 Speaker 2: your mom to be a part of your life still, 805 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:23,759 Speaker 2: you know, you know, hold that respect for her, but 806 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 2: just kind of communicate this confidence to her that like, listen, 807 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,680 Speaker 2: and I'm sure you've already done this, but listen, this 808 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 2: is the way I'm living my life. You might not 809 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,840 Speaker 2: like it. That's fine. I appreciate you raising me. But 810 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,000 Speaker 2: you know, having a child is not like a debt 811 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:52,839 Speaker 2: that they must repay later by succumbing to your will. Right, So, 812 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,879 Speaker 2: your mom can't control your life, and she can kind 813 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,360 Speaker 2: of try to push you in these various actions and whatnot, 814 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,800 Speaker 2: but it's just it's not going to really do anything 815 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:11,400 Speaker 2: because you're an adult who is living their life confidently 816 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,960 Speaker 2: as they are. And I really, I really really really 817 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,279 Speaker 2: don't think that you should compromise that. But you also 818 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,600 Speaker 2: you don't really have to compromise anything about your relationship 819 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,040 Speaker 2: with your mom either. I don't. I don't think you 820 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,799 Speaker 2: should like dull anything. I should think you should just 821 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:30,960 Speaker 2: be confidently who you are. And you know, if your 822 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:37,360 Speaker 2: mom doesn't accept it, then that's kind of it's a bummer, 823 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:44,400 Speaker 2: but it's kind of unhear to to deal with fox 824 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,239 Speaker 2: and Dog. Interesting. Why doesn't she like that you have 825 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,840 Speaker 2: a dog? Is she worried the dog is going to 826 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,719 Speaker 2: be gay? Because I get because that's the thing where 827 00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:01,359 Speaker 2: they're like, oh the like if you rate, if gay 828 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,120 Speaker 2: people raise kids, the kids are going to be gay. 829 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,040 Speaker 2: Does she think the dog is going to be gay too? 830 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaker 2: That's a little wild? Good luck, ree, Okay, let's do 831 00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:18,040 Speaker 2: one more. This is from uh Giga Cats subject line 832 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:23,799 Speaker 2: deterministic thoughts. The way things are in the present and 833 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,040 Speaker 2: the way things were in the past determine how the 834 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,120 Speaker 2: future plays out. We have no control over the future, 835 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,839 Speaker 2: but our agency comes in when we become conscious of 836 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,160 Speaker 2: how our present determines the future and making small changes 837 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,239 Speaker 2: in a way that we can hope to change the 838 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,760 Speaker 2: outcomes taking advantage of that determinism. If we lie idle 839 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,600 Speaker 2: and unaware, then all other external factors will determine our 840 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 2: future for us. My name is Gabby, an ever changing 841 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,520 Speaker 2: entity who wanders the philosophical plane. I love your show. 842 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,280 Speaker 2: Please do it and come to San Juan Porto Rico. 843 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:09,840 Speaker 2: I think that's a good place to end this. Thank you, Gabby. 844 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,319 Speaker 2: You know what deterministically, whether or not I come to 845 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,320 Speaker 2: San Juan Puerto Rico has already been decided, so I 846 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,080 Speaker 2: don't really have a choice of the matter. Thank you 847 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,960 Speaker 2: guys very much for listening. Please go to therapy geckotour 848 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:29,920 Speaker 2: dot com. I've got good stories from my recent travels 849 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,400 Speaker 2: through Iraq and Ukraine. I have some other little tricks up, 850 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,560 Speaker 2: muscle eve. I think these are gonna be really good shows. 851 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,800 Speaker 2: They are gonna be really fun. I just added the 852 00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:44,400 Speaker 2: show in Houston on September twentieth. I have a show 853 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 2: coming up soon in Tokyo on March twenty second, and 854 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,520 Speaker 2: the show's gonna be really fun. So go to therapy 855 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,920 Speaker 2: Gecko tour dot com to get tickets, send an email 856 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,840 Speaker 2: to me at therapy geckomail at gmail dot com, and 857 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:05,360 Speaker 2: and try not to kill yourself, try not to kill 858 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:12,440 Speaker 2: anyone else, and go eat one of those uh thin oreos. 859 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 2: They're really good. I'm gonna get some of those after 860 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,280 Speaker 2: I'm done talking, So I'm gonna stop talking really soon 861 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:24,560 Speaker 2: so that i can have less time between now and 862 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,080 Speaker 2: when I'm eating those fucking oreo thins. They're so good. 863 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,960 Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna go do that. Ghek bless goes 864 00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,919 Speaker 2: on the line taking your phone calls every night, Decon 865 00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,120 Speaker 2: goes to ride. 866 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 1: Just teaching your cloud in the memorial line is not 867 00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:43,920 Speaker 1: really an expert.