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How's 29 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: the birthday? Oh man? It was fantastic. I had a 30 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: great day. Thank you, Thank you for all the love 31 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: was that? Do you feel very loved? I did? I 32 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: felt very loved. At the end of the day, my son, 33 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: my sixteen year old son, got me a Chicago Bears 34 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: trivia book, which was outstanding, and so I made him 35 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: and my wife and we had some friends over m 36 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: answer many many questions about Chicago Bears, which was fantastic. 37 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: And then um our close friends here in West Hartford. 38 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: One of their daughters, she's an amazing baker. I'm not 39 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: a big sweet sky, as you guys know. I treat 40 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: my body like a temple, a lot of exercise, a 41 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: lot of eating the fruits and nuts and you know, plants. 42 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: But she made me a cake that I love. I 43 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: ate it. I had two slices. It was delicious. It's 44 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: a great thing. I'm not don know why I'm not, 45 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: you know, living it up like some rich single dude 46 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: who can just go wherever he wants, whenever he wants, 47 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: and live wherever he needs to live. So there's that. 48 00:02:58,320 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: If you can get over the feeling of that and 49 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: the never ending feeling of being alone forever, Chad, life's 50 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: pretty good. If you can just love yourself, it's it's 51 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: a good deal. But there are some nights where I'm 52 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: alone or I'm like, God, I wish I had the 53 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: wife and kids. And then there's days like today where 54 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: you know, I just walked down to the beach and 55 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: I just do whatever I want where I'm like, man, 56 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: I don't know about this whole wife and kids thing, Chad. 57 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: So it's the constant battle of a man. But yeah, 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: made it, made it to Hawaii, brother, So it's gonna 59 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: be a good, good month. Here. I'm gonna tell you 60 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: one more story and then we got to bring in 61 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: our NBA expert Matt Moore, who hosts the Buckets podcast 62 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: daily with a rotating cast, and he's trolling me, trolling 63 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: me chat wearing Chiefs gear. He's trolling the Hello and 64 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: You wearing Chiefs gear. Today. He's got Sean Little, he's 65 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: got Jay Money, a whole crew of guys who come 66 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: on that podcast and le tysoning. We used to through 67 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: that podcast once or twice a week, and we had 68 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: to pull off the band aid and go every single 69 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: day because NBA betting happens every single day. Yeah, Matt 70 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: Moore is everywhere. He's doing videos, he's doing podcasts, he's writing, 71 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: he's breaking news. We're gonna have him on. I highly 72 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: recommend Buckets podcast. It's just a great listen. Like NBA 73 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: is a nerd out kind of league, and the guys 74 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: who cover the NBA and are doing this Buckets podcast 75 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: are nerding the fuck out, and we're going to nerd 76 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: the fuck out on the NBA today. Obviously, massive conversation 77 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: about Lebron and the Lakers. All of a sudden, the 78 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: Bucks are the top team in the East, up by 79 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: a game, I think on the Celtics, the Nuggets. In 80 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: Matt Moore's backyard are fantastic, and they've got Nikolayokich, who 81 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: could win his third MVP and is averaging a triple double. 82 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: But I still don't think the Nuggets are the team 83 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: to beat in the West. There is a lot of 84 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: ship going on, Simon. Before we get to any of that, 85 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: I do need to remind people, as we've done, we've 86 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: been talking about game Time, the ticketing app. It's the 87 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: fastest growing ticketing app in the United States. I love 88 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: game Time. I've talked about it. I genuinely use it. 89 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: I've bought tickets for the Celtics. I've bought tickets for 90 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: the Knicks and the Mets, and the Cubs and the Phillies, 91 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: a game I went to with Simon. If you're looking 92 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: to get out to any NBA or NHL game this week, 93 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: or even a concert, game Time has amazing last minute 94 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: deals on tickets to all of these. I'm actually going 95 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: to open game Time right now from my house here 96 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: in Connecticut. Look what I see. I see the Big 97 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: East Women's basketball Tournament taking place starting tomorrow night at 98 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: Mohegan Sun. It is such a good deal. Right now 99 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: I can go. I can see it for not a 100 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: lot of money. I can tell you that right now. 101 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: So that's how easy it was. No matter where you live, 102 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: download of the Game Time app, get out and have 103 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: some fun this week. You deserve it, and you can 104 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: redeem code favorites for twenty dollars off your first purchase. 105 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: Terms apply again. Just download the app and enter code 106 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: favorites for twenty dollars off. Download Game Time Today, last 107 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. One more thing before we 108 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: bring in Matt Moore Simon. Hearing you talk about, you know, 109 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: being alone versus wife and kids and family, I'll tell 110 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: you one story. And we've had this guy in the 111 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: podcast before, my buddy Allan Loebe, who's a very successful 112 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 1: screenwriter and there's been in La forever and he's written 113 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: a lot of big movies that everyone who's listening, you know, 114 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: has heard of. He wrote Wall Street two. He wrote 115 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: the movie twenty one about the guys who brought down 116 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: Vegas and they were the card counters in Vegas. He 117 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: wrote the movie Rock of Ages. He's written movies to 118 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: start with Jennifer Aniston and Jason Bateman. So sang an 119 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: hour with him one year at the time he had 120 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: this beautiful house in the Hollywood Hill and it's January. 121 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: It's late in the day. We had just watched NFL 122 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: playoffs all day, we had been drinking. He had made 123 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: soup with fresh ingredients from the farmer's market. We had 124 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: a bunch of people over. It's the end of the day. 125 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: We're sitting in the hot tub and I say, oh, 126 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call my wife, and he goes, man, I 127 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: wish I had a wife. I look at the guy. 128 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: I go, dude, you're a fucking cliche. You don't want 129 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: a wife. You're perfectly happy. You're not looking for that. 130 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: You're rich, you got a place in the hills, you're 131 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: sitting in a hot tub, you're living your life. Don't 132 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: start thinking you want a wife. It's not for you. 133 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: And maybe maybe Simon, it's not for you, Oh it is. 134 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: I'm a romantic type. I'm just going through my phase 135 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: of went through a heartbreak. Sleep as many girls as 136 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: I can find the right one. And I think that's 137 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: how most guys do it, where it's like you know, 138 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: once you find the right one, you know. I just 139 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: haven't yet, So I doubt it's gonna happen here in Hawaii. Chat. 140 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: I can already tell I'm probably not men for Hawaii. 141 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm very East Coast. I got a little edge to me, 142 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: so you know, I'm just gonna try and embrace the 143 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: culture and see where life takes me. But I'm with 144 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: your buddy. There's moments jad where you're like, I'm I 145 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: was on the airplane behind this just new married couple. 146 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: So this woman's kissing her husband every two seconds on 147 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: this six hour flight. I've never been more happy in 148 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: my life to be single. I was dying inside for 149 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: this guy because I was like, this is a this 150 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: is awful. But once I got here, I was like, 151 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, this is the most romantic place in the world. 152 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: So I'm telling you, Chad constant battle brother, but let's 153 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: talk hoops. When you've been married almost twenty five years 154 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: like me, your wife will not be kissing you every 155 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: six seconds, Matt More, Dude, where the fuck do we 156 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: start with this hoop stuff? Like, I like, I want 157 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: to counter. I don't want to talk about Lebron first, Okay, 158 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Bucks and the Celtics 159 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: in the East. Hold on what well, Simon wants to 160 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: you know, wanted to talk about the Sixers, and that's 161 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: totally fine, by the way, Like the Sixers could be 162 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: legit contenders, but they haven't shown it. So what are 163 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: we talking about here? Matt Moore, Yeah, I mean, look, 164 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: this season is bizarre by a lot of accounts. Talking 165 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: to people at All Star Weekend, it was kind of funny. 166 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: There's a little bit of like discomfort with the fact 167 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: that nothing makes sense, Like there's just too much of 168 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: like I don't know, Like I don't know what's gonna happen, 169 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: like who We don't know who, Like the dominant team is. 170 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: We don't know who, like the dominant teams are I 171 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: think from our perspective, from a betting perspective, like this 172 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: is awesome because there's so much that can happen between 173 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: now and June. There's so many ways to track the 174 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: market to identify, like I like this team, but there's 175 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: probably gonna be a better spot later, tracking all of 176 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: these types of markets to be able to find opportunities 177 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: when things are uncertain, because the books are unable right 178 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: now to be like, yeah, no, it's gonna be like 179 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: you know, one team should be a massive favorite in 180 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: either conference. I think even now, the markets are a 181 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: little off. It's been a fascinating season. From a parody perspective, 182 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: I think most casual fans are uncomfortable with it. But 183 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: I think from a betting perspective, we got a lot 184 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: of opportunities the Eastern Conference. My big takeaway on the 185 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: Eastern Conference is I gotta see the bracket, like that's 186 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: what I got to see because Boston, I think has 187 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: the advantage over most of the teams that are in it. 188 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: There is one team I think that has an upset potential, 189 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: and that's the Cleveland Cavaliers, who the Celtics beat last night. 190 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: But if the bracket shakes out differently, if it ended 191 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: today and it was Bucks one, Celtics two six or 192 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: three Calves four, now, all of a sudden, especially with 193 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: where the market is right now FanDuel Bucks number one 194 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: team in the Eastern Conference, one sixteen in a row, 195 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: and there plus one eighty five getting plus one eighty 196 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: five on a team that would have home court, that 197 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: went toe to toe with the Celtics last year without 198 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: Chris Middleton. So you can tell again the markets don't 199 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: really know what to make of the season, which if 200 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: you can find some insight that you feel good about 201 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: from a betting perspective, there's opportunity there. Well, look, it 202 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: does feel a little bit like what the bookmakers are 203 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: identifying with the Celtics, who are also the top overall 204 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: favorite to win the NBA title is the Celtics have 205 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: generally been the team fans of favoring all season long. 206 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: That's where their biggest liability is. So they're keeping the 207 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: number low on the Celtics because if it goes any higher, 208 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: they do think that they're the public team, whereas the 209 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: Bucks have come in kind of sleepily wanting sixteen in 210 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: a row. Middleton hasn't played all year, Jannis has been injured. 211 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: You've had Holiday, Yannis and Middleton on the court almost together, 212 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: almost none at all. Middleton hasn't even been himself, so 213 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: they're pat Conaton hasn't played much like he was injured 214 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: a lot earlier in the year. This team hasn't even 215 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: played its best and it's won sixteen in a row. Simon, 216 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: you're shaking your head. Well, I just think it's the 217 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: same thing as last year. Of the East just has 218 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: three or four really dominant teams, and they all have 219 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: their own flaws. I mean, the Sixers have major flaws. Still, 220 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: it's one of those teams where I was with a 221 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: bunch of pros this weekend. They do not trust the 222 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: Sixers team. They trust the Bucks because they've done it before, 223 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: and they trust the Celtics because the same team went 224 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: to the finals last year and they think this team 225 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: might be better than they were last year. So it's 226 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: just interesting here in perspective right now where I'm trying 227 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: not to be the homer, but I kind of kind 228 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: of see the righting on the wall here where the 229 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: values nine to the Sixers. It seems like the value 230 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: is what he just talked about. It's in the Bucks 231 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: and it's in the Celtics. So the Sixers, I think 232 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: are an interesting talking point because this is one where 233 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: you got to follow the NBA because of the subtext 234 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: of what's going on, because it's such a messy, drama filled, 235 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: nonsensical league, Like it's just the constant nonsense going on. 236 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: So this week The Athletic reported on the worst cap 237 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: secret in the league, which is that James Harden has 238 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: a significant interest in going back to Houston this summer. 239 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: The way to breakdown this equation is basically, he signed 240 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: a short term deal with the Phillies and basically make good. Hey, 241 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: you can upgrade the team. I'll take a discount, but 242 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get paid the next year. And this is 243 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: either a leverage move to make sure that Philadelphia offers 244 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: him the five year max that he wants, which would 245 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: be a disastrous contract at his age and usage, by 246 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: the way, or he does genuinely have like real personal 247 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: reasons to go back to Houston. He was comfortable there. 248 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: He was essentially a god king there. He likes being there. 249 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: The nightlife opportunities our ideal for James there. The fact 250 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: that you have this out there that's not good for 251 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: a team. You don't want this sense of yeah, this 252 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: is probably the last year, like we tried it, but 253 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: guys are probably gonna move on, and they're starting to 254 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: be like a lot of rumblings about what's going to 255 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: happen with this team long term. So I don't think 256 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: you can bet Philey. That doesn't mean I think that 257 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: they're dead in the water if they can get somebody 258 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: else to knock out Boston. I like the Sixers as 259 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: an underdog play, Like I actually don't mind the matchup 260 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: versus Milwaukee. They're probably closer than what the market will 261 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: show there. They would destroy Cleveland, they would destroy the 262 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: Knicks and that's it. But they can't beat Boston. So 263 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: those are the kind of things that you're trying to 264 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: figure out here. Is like, if they can get on 265 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: a roll or even with all this off court stuff, 266 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: the Sixers can make a run. But as long as 267 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: Boston is in the playoffs, as long as they have 268 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: not been eliminated, I cannot bet the Sixers. Well, the 269 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: Sixers are such an interesting team because they are the 270 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: epitome of the NBA drama right and bead. They won't 271 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: trade Tyree's Maxie. He's an untouchable. Harden has transformed his 272 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: game to become one of the best po cards in 273 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: the NBA, one of the best distributors in the NBA. 274 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: He doesn't want to be there anymore. They've got Daryl Morey, 275 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: who is brilliant as a GM, but this team is 276 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: not anything like what he built that made James Harden 277 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: the god that he was in Houston. But that was 278 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: part of the Ben Simmons thing though, Like he just 279 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: needed to move Ben Simmons and that was by far. 280 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: Even looking back now, it's like, I can't comprehend. We 281 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: got James Harden for Ben Simmons, so slow played the 282 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: whole year tales. Yeah, it was brilliant. That was masterclass. 283 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: That was a masterclass. It was brilliant GMing. Also, look, 284 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: we know Darryl is super smart when it comes to 285 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: playing percentages. And you know, back during the pandemic days, 286 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: we would do these late night poker games with a 287 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: lot of talent from ESPN, from from ESPN, from Action, 288 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: but ESPN people were on it too, and Darryl would 289 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: come on the game and play like he's legit when 290 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: it comes to deal making, you know what I mean, 291 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: Like that's as good as it gets, even if he doesn't. Wait. 292 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: Daryl very aware of our odds pages that actually network too. 293 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: By the way, Darrell always check it to see where 294 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: where the sixers probabilities land on the odds as well. 295 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: He's brilliant at that. All right, the West, meanwhile, we've 296 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: talked about the East. The West. All of a sudden, 297 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: Kade comes back last night, has twenty three points. They 298 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: win places for the Sons. Obviously, the Sons have the 299 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: shortest odds of all Western Conference teams right now at 300 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: fandel plus four fifty the Nuggets plus seven fifty, the 301 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: Clippers plus eleven hundreds. So right now it goes Celtics, Bucks, Sons, Nuggets, Clippers. 302 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: Matt Moore, are you buying Sons, Nuggets or Clippers as 303 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: an NBA champion? So I've already got positions on the 304 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: Nuggets and Clippers from preseason. I grabbed them earlier, longer numbers, 305 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: thinking that there was no way that the Clippers number 306 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: would would not go down like obviously, and yeah, I've 307 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: lost CLV on that, which is annoying. The Clippers are annoying. 308 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: I just want to state that for the record on 309 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: this podcast. The Suns I grabbed the minute that Kyrie 310 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: Irving requested a trade before Kevin Durant stuff had come out, 311 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: because we had reported over the summer. Like we reported 312 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: when the Kyrie stuff came out, one of the first 313 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: things that I was writing about was, Hey, the Suns 314 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: are like this is their guy. And why I reported 315 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: throughout the year like in all of our Intel reports, 316 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: it was the Suns are looking for a bigger move. 317 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: It was really funny listening to the aftermath of the 318 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: Katie trade listening to people around the league, because they 319 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: would have these conversations with Phoenix about various players to 320 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: act because the Suns didn't know if Katie was going 321 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: to happen. But they would have these conversations about possible 322 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: trades and they would be like, they seem really interested, 323 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: but the Suns would always end it with, Okay, we'll 324 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: get back to you. We're checking on some other stuff, 325 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: but don't do anything before coming back to us. And 326 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: the reason they were doing that is they were waiting 327 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: for Kate. They lined up everything in the event that 328 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: Durant was not available, and then Durant became available and 329 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: they pounced on it, and they would not make a 330 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: move to limit their trade flexibility until Kevin Durant was 331 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: one hundred percent off the table. It was a really 332 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: good job by their intel department of recognizing in advance 333 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: that the Kyro irving extension thing is going to be 334 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: a problem, that this could implode midseason. So like, got 335 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: to credit the Suns a lot with that as far 336 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 1: as the value goes, Yeah, go ahead, what does that mean, 337 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: Intel department. I've never heard that phrase for NBA before. Okay, 338 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: So there's this idea that the scouts in the NBA 339 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: that what they do is like they go to games 340 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: and then they write down all the plays and they 341 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: do assessments on like you have your personnel scouts, your 342 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: pro scouts, and like your college scouts. Right, the biggest 343 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: value that those guys get is talking to other scouts, 344 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: other video guys, people they know in the league, and 345 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: media gathering intel. The best organizations, not all of them, 346 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: I found, but the best organizations actually have databases where 347 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: all this stuff goes into. So they dig and they dig, 348 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: and they dig and they dig and they dig, and 349 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: they hear all of these little bits of pieces of 350 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: information and then you use that in reference to what 351 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: you're doing. I don't know if the Suns have that database. 352 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: I don't know that well enough. But there is like 353 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: the Intel department of what are teams, how are teams performing? 354 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: And there's the Intel department of our guys happy, what 355 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: do they want in contract? That's where you hear a 356 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: lot of numbers about what guys want in extensions, etc. 357 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: And all of that stuff is in my opinion, way 358 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: more valuable than all of the stuff about the basketball side. 359 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: A guy could be shooting terribly from the field or 360 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: not fitting in with a system and be great on 361 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: the next team he goes because he's not happy there 362 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: and he would be happy somewhere else, especially if he 363 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: gets paid. So like, the league operates on these two 364 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: simultaneous levels of the basketball side and then this underground 365 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: intel side, which is a lot of like hearing rumors 366 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: and trying to gather as much like did you hear 367 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: this from multiple places or not? That's the information that 368 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: eventually gets distributed out in part, not all the time. 369 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: Some of it's direct, but a lot of that's what 370 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: winds up getting reported by various reporters around the league. 371 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: Oh well, that is new information to me, and that 372 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: is cool to think about. There are the encore reports, 373 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: and then there is this secret you know, CIA file 374 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: of all the little notes and information that is happening 375 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: and the rumors that are being traded amongst the bureaucracy 376 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: of the NBA to help make decisions. And the fact 377 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: the Suns used it so well to their advantage. That's 378 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: fucking next level shit right there. That's the difference between 379 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: a good organization and organization that can't shoot straight. Yeah, 380 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: I mean, look a lot of it. You know, you 381 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: talk to the GMS and they'll say, I don't even 382 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: pay attention to the database fall because I don't know 383 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: how much of it's just complete nonsense. I just don't 384 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,719 Speaker 1: know if any of it's real, right, There's a lot 385 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: of information swapping that goes on the league, and a 386 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: lot of gems are just like, I don't know how 387 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: much of it is real. I know what I've talked 388 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: to teams about and that's about it. But if you're 389 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: trying to put together, especially these bigger pieces, you need 390 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: to keep an any ear out for. Not only it's 391 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: not just stuff like oh yeah, they're looking for this, 392 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: or they want this type of player, or this guy 393 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: wants an extension. It's also like, hey, you know, he 394 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: was a lot more like he's got family in this 395 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: town and it turns out he's really missing them, or 396 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: like one of the pieces on Bradley Beale. A lot 397 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: of the reason that there wasn't like a big push 398 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: for Bradley Bale a few years ago is during the pandemic, 399 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: it was pretty well known that Bill had no interest 400 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: in moving during the pandemic, that he did not want 401 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: to relocate during the pandemic, and that change the way 402 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: that the league in terms of how many calls they 403 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: were generating because the word kind of gotten now, like, hey, 404 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: Bradley doesn't have any interest in getting moved right now, 405 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: and that changes the course of how these conversations go. Man, 406 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: that's cool. 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All right, I cut you 445 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: off before you were you were going into a conversation 446 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: about the Western Conference and the Suns and their place 447 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: in the Western Conference and now that they have maneuvered 448 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: to get KD on the roster. Yeah, so we all 449 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden action. It was me and Joe 450 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: d'ilera and Brandon Anderson. We all kind of talked about 451 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: the initial reaction to the trade, and it was pretty predictable, right, 452 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: like the Suns get hammered and they get pushed and 453 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: pushed and pushed, and as a consequence, like the Nuggets 454 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: go down, and that was a pretty good spot to 455 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: bet the Nuggets. And we said like, look, this is 456 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: going to equilib realize there will be a better chance 457 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: to bet the Suns later. I don't think it's it's 458 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: now yet because Katie just came back. They won their 459 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: first game, he goes off for twenty plus points in 460 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: less than thirty minutes. Last night, I was on the 461 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: bet stream for that for Action Network. You looked great. 462 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: The defense was better than we expected, but they were 463 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: also planned Charlotte. So like, there's gonna be a low 464 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: point here where the Suns like struggle a little bit. 465 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: This team is not like the twenty seventeen Warriors. Are 466 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: they the best team in the Western Conference? They could 467 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: very well be, Like this may be one of those 468 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: things like I remember last year, like Simon was like, 469 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: what are we doing here? It's the Warriors? Like what 470 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: are we doing here? Like this that may just be 471 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: what we're we wind up in when we get into 472 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: the playoffs, like what are we doing here? It's the Suns. 473 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: I've look back at the history though, of how the 474 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: odds kind of shift before the playoffs start. It's rare 475 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna get a bad number on the eventual champion 476 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: before the playoffs start relative to what you're gonna get 477 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: by conference finals or even second round. Like you got 478 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: some time to see how Phoenix shapes up versus some 479 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: actual competition. I think there's some value I've bet Suns 480 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: Celtics as a finals matchup. I've bet Suns Bucks as 481 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: a finals matchup to get those numbers added, you know, 482 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: to what I've already got. But I don't think that 483 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: there's necessarily a lot of value in betting Phoenix right now. 484 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: I don't think it's like you gotta get it on 485 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: this number at plus two thirty to win the West 486 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: at fandel. The bigger thing here is that trying to 487 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: find a long shot is really difficult because this year 488 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: is extremely messy when it comes to historical trends about 489 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: how you got to be good in the regular season 490 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: versus teams like the Warriors, defending champions who have been 491 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: so good, who have been basically telling us for sixty games, 492 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: were not very good, even when we have Steph Curry. 493 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: It's a mess out there. And that's why I think 494 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: the Nuggets are one of the teams that a lot 495 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: the sharpest have gravitated towards it. They've got the most 496 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: handle at several books, because I think they're the one 497 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: team that everyone can kind of go like, at least 498 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: I know that they're good. They may not get there, 499 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: but at least I can trust them more than I 500 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: can a lot of these other teams for various reasons. 501 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: I don't even know if they trust them though, Like 502 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: I was with these groups. We had a bunch of 503 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: meetings these past weekends and the same guy as that 504 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: turned on like the Golden State last year. It's just like, 505 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: if Golden State's healthy, they're gonna be the best team 506 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: men into the playoffs. And that was really flucid them 507 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: attend to one heading into the playoffs. That's really rare. 508 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: My team's doubted that much. I think it's what you 509 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: talked about. It's they're not They weren't the new sexy thing. 510 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: And this is a crazy stuff about basketball, is these guys, 511 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: like I think Matt was just touching on where people 512 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: just know what's gonna happen, like people that are in 513 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: this league and things are set up years in advance. 514 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: So these guys knew in the summer that if there 515 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: was any little thing with that Brooklyn thing, Katie was 516 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: going to the Suns. Apparently he was gonna go to 517 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: the Suns in August, but that fell through. They held 518 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: all to him because they're like, you know, we got 519 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: Kyries back, we can make this work. So to me, 520 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: what Matt saying is so true of like these teams 521 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: already had this deal in place months ago, like they're 522 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: they're literally way ahead of everyone else in the public 523 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: perception of like these deals are already in place, that 524 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: there's waiting for the next shoe to drop. And you know, 525 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: these guys were over the Kings this summer, like that 526 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: was their team, the Kings. All I heard all summer 527 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: was the Kings. And again I don't know basketball, and 528 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not putting money on the Kings. 529 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: I'll put money on them to go over their win total, 530 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: I'm not putting money on them to win a championship 531 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: because to me, that felt like a stupid bet where 532 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: they don't have this superstar, right, They're not gonna win 533 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: a championship come the end of the year because you 534 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: need that superstar. You need a KD in that final 535 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: two minutes where you can't run some plays all right, 536 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: there's no plays that are gonna work, Like these guys 537 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: are too good. So the Kings, think, to me, is 538 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: interesting where guys are still on that, Matt, I would 539 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: love to hear your view on it, where you know 540 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: these guys I'm talking to they have the Kings at 541 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: say they got ten thousand dollars down, it's like ten 542 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: thousand and win three hundred thousand if they win the championship. 543 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: So I'm interested to hear your perspective of can they 544 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: really go to Denver and that high altitude come playoff 545 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: time and really take down Jokich? Like is this a 546 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: team that really can make a playoff runner? Is that 547 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: just one of those bets that's dead? Like is it 548 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: really Clippers Denver? And then yes, we can throw the 549 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: suns in there, of course, but is that really it? 550 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: In the West, do you feel like I mean a 551 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: lot of this I think is that the market is 552 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: so much there's this combination that happens, like talking to 553 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: bookmakers about how they're certain markets they're just never going 554 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: to generate enough handle, Like Memphis is never going to 555 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: generate enough handle, right, That's why their win total is 556 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: always lower than it needs to be. Milwaukee's another one 557 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: like this is a good example. The Kings right now 558 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: have a four game lead in the lost column with 559 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: less than twenty to play. That's a big lead, and 560 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: they have had this good surge their plus one eighty 561 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: just to win the division. Because that's how much the 562 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: like the Sons. They've got Katie and the Sons can 563 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: definitely catch it right, Like it's not four is not impossible, 564 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: but it's higher than most people think. The Kings are interesting. 565 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: I was actually asking some folks about it this week. 566 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: I was throwing that name around and trying to figure out, like, 567 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: are we sure that they're dead in the water. The 568 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: problem really is that, like they are so bad defensively, 569 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: and Denver has the perception of being bad defensively. But 570 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: since or December seventh, so almost we're coming up on 571 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: three months of basketball, December has been the Nuggets have 572 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: been top ten in defense, Like they righted the ship there, 573 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: which is why the value on them is pretty good 574 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: because it looks like they're much worse defensively than they are. 575 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: But the Kings, it's all offense, and they're versatile and 576 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: they have a lot of options. They're very well coached. 577 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: I think Mike Brown is like Mike Brown's moved to 578 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: be the favorite for coach a year in the market. 579 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. He was a good 580 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: bet like a month ago when people were still like 581 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: really the Kings, and it's like, yeah, really the Kings 582 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: what I will say is like I think the Kings 583 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: are gonna be a great bet series by series because 584 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: they're probably going to hang closer than teams than people 585 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: expect them to. Even versus Denver, they'll probably be competitive. 586 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: Like in the first round series versus Dallas, Dallas would 587 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: probably be the favorite and Dallas would probably wind up 588 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: getting the majority of the money. Kyrie and Luca and 589 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: dead like they've been there versus like the Mavericks are 590 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: a mess then they're so badly coached, and the home 591 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: court advantage that Sacramento is gonna have is gonna be 592 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: through the roof. Like I'm trying to figure out if 593 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: I can get out to Sacramento for that first playoff 594 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: game to be in the building. There's something like that, 595 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: because it's gonna be such an insane experience there. So, like, 596 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: I think there's value in Sacramento, but I don't want 597 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: to go all the way to championship because I do 598 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: think there's a point where you get there, like Dallas 599 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: last year when they got to the Warriors and it 600 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: was like you're not in this class, Like you beat 601 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: a very good Phoenix team that we thought was in 602 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: this class, but they might have gotten COVID, but when 603 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: you get to like the conference finals, you're just not 604 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: at that level. That's how I feel about Sacramento. But 605 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be value on them betting them 606 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: series by series, especially on the wind spread lines. They're 607 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: like a year or two early. Right. That's the thing. 608 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: It's a year or two early, right. Yep? How are 609 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: we glossing over what Simon said about the Warriors and 610 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: Matt what you said about the Warriors who at this 611 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: point to win the NBA title, their odds are seventeen 612 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: to one. You've said through sixty games when Steph is played, 613 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: they even then haven't been very good. Yet do we 614 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: give them such a benefit of the doubt that you 615 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: still put some money? Excuse me, put some money on 616 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: them at seventeen to one. I held out on Golden State. 617 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: I held out on them the entire year until All 618 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: Star Break. I was like, no, I was like this team. 619 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: Simon mentioned this when they have their starters, their starting 620 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: lineup of Kavan Looney, Steph Curry, Clay Thompson, Draymond Greene, 621 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins. That five man lineup has the best net 622 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: rating of any five man lineup in the league minimum 623 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: one hundred minutes. If you want to know, like, what 624 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: does that mean? They kick ass more than any other 625 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: teams five man lineup in the league. That's the best 626 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: way I could describe it. So they're still extremely dangerous. 627 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: The problem is we go against some historical trends which 628 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: have just been tried and true in the NBA only 629 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: in the last twenty years, no team below a three 630 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: seed has won the NBA Championship. Like that matters. The 631 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: Warrior's not going to get to a top three seed. 632 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: In the last twenty years, no team with a below 633 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: five hundred road record has won the NBA Championship. No 634 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: team the Warriors are one of the worst teams on 635 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: the road. It is inexplicable how bad they are, Like 636 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: they go from world beaters at home to hot garbage 637 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: water when they are on the road. And that differential 638 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: is really important here because now we've got another layer, 639 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: which is all right, let's say that they get past 640 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: they somehow get past Phoenix, which I think is a 641 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: pretty good matchup for them, Like they actually match up 642 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: pretty well with Phoenix, and they go to Denver and 643 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: you're like, well, it's the Warriors versus Denver. Come on, 644 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: the Warriors are coming out of this. I would tend 645 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: to agree with that, right and you go and the 646 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: counter would be, well, what if they're on the road, 647 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: and Simon kind of speak to this. There's always been 648 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: this thing with the Nuggets and the Jazz, which is 649 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: that their regular season home court advantage is way higher 650 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: than their playoff home court advantage because teams have more 651 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: time to acclimate to altitude and the travel isn't is bad. 652 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: So like now your home court advantages is kind of 653 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: is kind of less. But we have to ask hers, 654 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: like this is where you're two with the Warriors. Is 655 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: they have told us all year for sixty games and 656 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: you could say, but STEP's been out. Even when Steff 657 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: was in there, they were a five hundred team, Like 658 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: this is not like a great team when Steph plays, 659 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: they're a great team in these staff minutes where he 660 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: plays with that five guys and everything else is mediocre. 661 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: And so trying to figure out that differential, I don't know, 662 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: like is their value on them? Could they could they 663 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: be the exception to the rule in a weird year? Yeah, 664 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: do you want to bet on an outlier? Maybe it 665 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: depends on what you're what percentage you put that at 666 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: versus the ev Like trying to figure those equations out 667 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: has been my life since All Star Break, and I 668 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: gotta be honest with you, I still don't have an answer. 669 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: I can't rule out the Warriors. I'm in this princess 670 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: bride situation. I can't drink the wine in front of him. 671 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: I can't drink the wine in front of me. That's 672 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: so good. I love that. It's a great analogy. Um, 673 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: it's so interesting. The Warriors plus seventeen hundred, Sacramento Kings 674 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: are significantly higher. I mean, look, just to win the conference, right, 675 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,479 Speaker 1: So the Warriors plus eight hundred, the King's fifty five 676 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: hundred just to win the West. Yeah, at Like if 677 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: you ask me, like, is that number accurate? No? Like 678 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: that number is not accurate. Right, they get past Dallas 679 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: and nicolea Yoki suffers an injury, the Sacramento Kings are 680 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: going to the conference finals. That's happening. Like I expected 681 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: to be four or five Kings mavericks, because I do 682 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: kind of think the Suns might wind up catching them, 683 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,959 Speaker 1: Like I've got them projected to catch them. It's getting 684 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: real close. Even if the Kings are in the three 685 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: six right Memphis, I have We've been talking about how 686 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: I don't believe in Memphis. We talked about it last 687 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: year and we profited on it on buckets. We've talked 688 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: about it this year, Like, Memphis is a no bet 689 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: for me. If it's two three Memphis versus the Kings. 690 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,240 Speaker 1: If the Kings somehow get like a three six Dallas 691 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: matchup and then Memphis, then I've got to look at 692 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: the Kings. I'll still get this kind of a number. 693 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: Then I would be betting the Kings because I would 694 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: be able to hedge them in a conference finals and 695 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: bet the other way and still profit huge. Like that 696 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: would be the position that I would take. Is like, 697 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: if the Kings wind up in a bracket where it's 698 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 1: Memphis in two, Kings in three, their face in the 699 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: MAVs in the first round, and the Grizzlies get a 700 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: non Lakers Warriors matchup in the first round, they get Wolves, 701 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: Blazers and Pelicans. Whoever, if the Kings don't have to 702 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: get to avoid the Suns and the Nuggets and the 703 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: Clippers and all these other teams, the Kings can absolutely 704 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: make a run to the Conference finals. That is very 705 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: much on the board. I have two things I want 706 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: us to discuss before we get out of here. They're 707 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: gonna be and I'm gonna preview them for you. One, 708 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: I feel like we've talked about a lot of different 709 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: matchup bets, but we haven't nailed who's the one NBA 710 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: Finals best value futures bet to make today? So start 711 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: thinking about that. But before we get to that, we 712 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 1: gotta talk Lakers like train wreck of a season, train 713 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: wreck of a team, bad roster management, trades haven't worked out, 714 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: Pat Bev gone, Russell Westbrook gone, Lebron now heard Anthony 715 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: Davis in and out? Forget about now? What is the 716 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: future of this team? So today there's a report that 717 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: Lebron is not going to require surgery. That's significant because 718 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: there was a lot of like worrying reports early on. 719 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: The win last night was a must win for them 720 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: for their chances to make the playoffs. Are plus two 721 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: twenty five. We're talking about the future of the Lakers. 722 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: One of the things that is yet to be resolved 723 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 1: is that is the tension between Lebron his agency Clutch, 724 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: who represents over half of the nut of the Lakers 725 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: roster in the front office and ownership, which resisted trading 726 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: picks because of concerns about limiting their future flexibility. The 727 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: other problem we have is that there's eventually going to 728 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 1: just come to the point where Lebron has missed enough time. 729 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: I don't know how he doesn't reach the conclusion I 730 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: can't have Anthony Davis is my number two because he 731 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 1: and I are going to miss enough time together. Like, 732 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: Lebron has to take an honest look at how many 733 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: games he's missed over the last four seasons. Like he's 734 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: missed a lot of time, which is understandable. The man's old, Like, 735 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: give the man a break. He should be able to 736 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: take some time off. That said, you can't have that 737 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: be the situation when you were in the prime rising superstar, 738 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: top seventy five player quote unquote, it always misses this 739 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,919 Speaker 1: many games and is dated, Davis, You just you can't 740 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: do it. And like that's where I hear a lot 741 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: of people in the league asking questions, is like are 742 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: they really like they haven't opened him up for trade tucks, 743 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: they haven't made them available teams with call and they've 744 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: been like we're not interested. But like the long term 745 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: question is can you try hair and Russell Westbrook as 746 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: the kind of buffer to keep that team afloat? Like, okay, 747 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: even if Davis and Lebron missed time, Russell be there 748 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: with one of the other ones. And then there was 749 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: times where both of those guys were out and Russ 750 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: couldn't keep them afloat, and Russ made them overall worse. 751 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: So can you get another guy? Can you get a 752 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: Bradley Beale for some sort of really terrible package. Can 753 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: you pull off a pal Gasol type deal for a 754 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: Bradley Beal? I think it's pretty questionable, But I do 755 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: think that the bigger question that you have to ask 756 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: is if they're going to ride out the Lebron era 757 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: and Lebron's going to continue to apply the pressure that 758 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: he and Clutch have in this power struggle with ownership, 759 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: you have to ask the question of is the solve 760 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: for this trading Anthony Davis for a cast of characters 761 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: that is more reliable in playing all eighty two or 762 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: at least the majority of them. That, to me is 763 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: the long term question. Isn't it fair to say though 764 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: that I don't know if ad hates Lebron but he 765 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: doesn't like them. Like that whole thing of him sitting 766 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: there when Lebron broke the scoring record, that was the 767 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: weirdest thing ever. If I'm again, if me and Chat 768 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: are doing this for years and this guy has the 769 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: most podcast minutes ever recorded, I wouldn't sit there sulking, 770 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: pissed off. I'd celebrate the guy. It just felt like 771 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: that was very human moment of something's going on with 772 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 1: those two in the locker room, like a week or 773 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: week or two before that, and when that happened, he 774 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,839 Speaker 1: did not look like someone that was happy for Lebron. 775 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: He looked like someone that was just like God, I 776 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: am so sick tired of this being the Lebron James show. 777 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: So to me, that's why didn't even bring them up. 778 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: They're just a team I wouldn't touch because it doesn't 779 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: seem like they have the chemistry at all. It just 780 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: seems like very bad vibes coming out of the Lakers. Yeah. 781 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: I mean, look, the trade definitely helped them. They're a 782 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: better team they have. I made this comment on Twitter, like, hey, 783 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: it's funny when you have actual NBA players to a roster, 784 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: they look better. They can they can figure this out 785 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: because Lebron is that guy, like he's still that guy. 786 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: He's still so good when he's available, it's incredible. And 787 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: Davis has these moments where you know, he's has stretch 788 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,720 Speaker 1: of the season when people were like, is he the MVP? 789 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,800 Speaker 1: And we laughed at that in buckets, but like, you know, 790 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: he still has these stretches. They can make the run, 791 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: but we're talking about what's the probability of that happening. 792 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: And as far as the Davis stuff goes, I think 793 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: it's really complicated. This is where everyone kind of winds 794 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: up and when they're in the spot. Chris Bosh had 795 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: this too, when you're that guy and you're supposed to 796 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: be the defensive anchor and when the Lakers lose, you're 797 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: the guy that's responsible. And when the Lakers win, Lebron's 798 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: that's responsible. And there was a lot of talk when 799 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,320 Speaker 1: Davis was traded that that's what he wanted, is he 800 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: didn't want to have to be like out front handling 801 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 1: all of the pressure and the weight and the responsibilities 802 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: that like Lebron would be able to provide that for 803 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: him and he could just thrive it. And they want 804 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 1: a championship like it worked, but now over time you're 805 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: seeing like how hard this is when when Lebron's out, 806 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,359 Speaker 1: it's like, come on, ady can't get on the floor 807 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 1: and Davis is battling his body always. I think there's 808 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,959 Speaker 1: probably some tension with the team with Lebron and ADI 809 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: just about like James has to be like, you can't 810 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: expect me to play seventy two, Like I'm thirty eight. 811 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: You cannot expect this of me, and Davis being like 812 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: what do you want me to do? I'm injured, Like 813 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: I can't help that, And that causes I think a 814 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: lot of tension because when they're together, they're pretty good. 815 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: They're not great, but they're pretty good, and that's probably 816 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: good enough to make the playoffs. And if you get 817 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: into a you know, a series versus the Nuggets where 818 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: everyone there's there is a prevailing thought the Nuggets are 819 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: kind of fraudish. Maybe they can make a run. I 820 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,399 Speaker 1: don't think the value is enough there, Like I still 821 00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: kind of look at it and go, I just don't 822 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: think this team is very good. I do they even 823 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: with Lebron at a diminished state, even as good as 824 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,240 Speaker 1: he is, that's not good enough. And I can't trust 825 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: that Davis is going to stay healthy for the run 826 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 1: they had. They had a rest day schedule for him 827 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,320 Speaker 1: last night. They won that game, thankfully, But like you, 828 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,959 Speaker 1: you can't have a rest day right now if you're healthy, 829 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: like you gotta go, like you guys are in twelfth place, 830 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: Like there's gotta be some urgency here and you're not 831 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: seeing that with from either of the LA teams. All right, 832 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: Matt Moore, you can give us one NBA future value 833 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: play as of today. Who's it going to be? We 834 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 1: get the Bucks a plus four forty? What are we doing? 835 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: Like cold could have beaten the Celtics last year Chris 836 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: Milton was healthy, They got the number one defense. The 837 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: thing I'll say about the Bucks, get your money in early, 838 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,800 Speaker 1: because I know this from the last four years of experience. 839 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,359 Speaker 1: Betting them series by series is torture. And I can 840 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: tell you statistics to back this up, but I'll just 841 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: give you the basics here. They miss more open shots 842 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: than anyone else in the league in the playoffs. It's 843 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: just they just missed them. Whether it's a product or 844 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: the offense or the personnel, they clank shots that should 845 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: go in well generated offense. Create the open look clank, 846 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: they just don't go in. It's gonna be a grind, 847 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough, it's gonna be difficult. But at 848 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,760 Speaker 1: plus four or forty you get arguably the best player 849 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: in the league in Janisan and compo and elite defense. 850 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: Holiday has been fantastic. Bruke Lopez is the best rim 851 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: protector in the league outside of Jaren Jackson. They've got 852 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: better deaf now with Jay Crowder and Joe Ingles. They're 853 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: well coached, They've been there before. Milwaukee Bucks. Plus four 854 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: or forty is a ridiculous price. That's the best price 855 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: on the board right now for the title. All right, 856 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: dare you have it? Matt Moore hosted the Buckets podcast, 857 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: which is fantastic. Also one of the best insiders covering 858 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: the NBA today. The man knows the league inside out. 859 00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: He's his own intelligence department and he's here. My wife disagrees, 860 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: working at the Action Networkers. How lucky are we? 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