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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, September twenty third, twenty twenty one, Season seventeen,
Speaker 1: Episode number twenty seven. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break. We're live from the s WBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: at the start, Nick, as we do every day, can
Speaker 1: you give me a twenty seven? Oh Ron Fellows, Ron
Speaker 1: Fellows from eighties break Back in the eighties, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: where I was a Cowboy fan. But I remember the name, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: Ron Fellows on Fellow, don't even he was a defensive back,
Speaker 1: It's all right, yep. Cornerback. Were the Eric Dickerson goggles?
Speaker 1: You know? It was one of those Yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: think of one, Like, what's a what's a what's a recent?
Speaker 1: What's the I was about to say safety, I say
Speaker 1: the safety. I could remember saying the safety. I could
Speaker 1: remember saying I should have busted out Eddie George. That's
Speaker 1: what I should have done. You know, you were twenty
Speaker 1: seven year I think he did. Yeah, how he did? Yeah,
Speaker 1: when we said and interviewed him that year at training
Speaker 1: camp on the court knox Nard, Yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: was that year he was here. Yeah, that when that
Speaker 1: when we had an earthquake. I don't know if he was.
Speaker 1: It was the same year, yes, I think, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if we were interviewing him while the earthquake happened,
Speaker 1: But I do remember we interviewed him him on the
Speaker 1: court and it was the same year from our set.
Speaker 1: You know, Hall of Fame list just came out, one
Speaker 1: hundred and something names, and there was we always talked
Speaker 1: about that. Who should we mentioned because there's five or six,
Speaker 1: you know, true cowboys, and then there's another four or
Speaker 1: five that you're like, oh, oh, yeah he played, you know,
Speaker 1: like Randall Cunningham and Eddie George and Zach Thomas and
Speaker 1: guys that kind of just you know, finished it up
Speaker 1: over here. But so he was one of them. Now
Speaker 1: there's some former cowboys not on the list, but we
Speaker 1: can talk about that later. Oh, Romo, do we just
Speaker 1: keep running with this like you came off and like
Speaker 1: that was like breaking news. We know he's not gonna
Speaker 1: make it into the Hall of Fame, right, it's not
Speaker 1: about the making it. It's not about the making it,
Speaker 1: and he's always just being on the list. Is that
Speaker 1: what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, there's I know. But you
Speaker 1: you mentioned Jake Dilome, and I thought Dave had a
Speaker 1: good point. Jake Delome had about better career. No he didn't.
Speaker 1: I looked. I looked it up. He went to Super Bowl, though,
Speaker 1: I don't look at the number. Do look at the
Speaker 1: numbers there. It's not even close. No, it's not even
Speaker 1: Jeff Garcia. I don't think had a better career either.
Speaker 1: I just I just think they both played Super Bowl A.
Speaker 1: Jeff Garcia played a super Bowl I don't think. So
Speaker 1: here's what I don't know. I don't know how the
Speaker 1: process goes with the Hall of Fame and all that. Like,
Speaker 1: because I thought you made a really good point. We
Speaker 1: don't know for sure when Romo ever filed his paperwork, right,
Speaker 1: or if he filed it, he might yeah, like that
Speaker 1: would he might be sitting there like, hey, let's see
Speaker 1: if his deck thing works out. He's probably filed it
Speaker 1: by now. It wouldn't shock me at all if he
Speaker 1: waited like a year, just in that snarky Romo fashion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just like, ah, you never know, but that's how you
Speaker 1: would do it. You never know. Yeah, because like several
Speaker 1: times during the season they're like, well, you know, after
Speaker 1: you retired, and he was like on the air, He's
Speaker 1: like did I Jim, Like are you sure? You know?
Speaker 1: So he liked to play route, But I don't even
Speaker 1: know if that even matters. I think it's when you're
Speaker 1: done playing five years removed from that, but from your
Speaker 1: last game. Okay, I'm not gonna sit here and say
Speaker 1: that Tony Romeo deserves to be like in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. Definitely not first ballot, and maybe over time
Speaker 1: he keeps, you know, being a great announcer, maybe you
Speaker 1: have a shot, but I mean just to be on
Speaker 1: the list. To not be on that list this wild yeah,
Speaker 1: which is like I'm I wonder if maybe, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe the paperwork thing is important. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: like he should be on a list of one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty two people. I mean, I get. I'm just
Speaker 1: not gonna get too bit out of shape for somebody
Speaker 1: I don't think has a shot at making it. So
Speaker 1: if you didn't get on the list and you're not
Speaker 1: going to get in anyway, then what's the big deal. Well,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Ware got on the list and he will be
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame first ballot. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think so. I think so, I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's gonna be close, I think for first ballot,
Speaker 1: but I think he probably. You know, my thing is
Speaker 1: always was there a period of time when the guy
Speaker 1: was considered one of the best in the league, top three, five, whatever,
Speaker 1: it is, one of the best in the league. And
Speaker 1: I think that was a period where you would say
Speaker 1: he was one of the best pass rushers in the league.
Speaker 1: And then he went to Denver and that Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: He had a lot to do with that, and so
Speaker 1: I think that was kind of the icing on the
Speaker 1: cake cake for him. And so I look at that
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, it's a Hall of Famer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just don't just don't use the excuse that he's the
Speaker 1: Cowboys all time leader in sacks because that doesn't anything,
Speaker 1: because it hasn't didn't mean anything for Harvey Martin. True years. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: but even were they even tracking them back with Harvey
Speaker 1: Mark for all of his career, not for all well,
Speaker 1: not for all of his career. We're gonna get really
Speaker 1: into the weeds on this because Pro Football Reference, a
Speaker 1: really great website out there, has a lot of stats.
Speaker 1: They're actually they've gone back. They have a huge project
Speaker 1: that they've been doing in the last two years to
Speaker 1: try to go back and get all of these sacks
Speaker 1: and watching all these tape to try to to you know,
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two is when when the sacks officially
Speaker 1: meant STAP, but they're trying to give it to the
Speaker 1: league to go a lot earlier than that. I remember
Speaker 1: watching interviews with guys like Deacon Jones, who for half
Speaker 1: of our audience they're like, who is that? But watching
Speaker 1: some of those interviews and they're like, Yeah, all these
Speaker 1: sack numbers mean nothing because I had way more than
Speaker 1: that because they weren't counting them back during a lot
Speaker 1: of his career. Uh and he was a beast as
Speaker 1: of a sack guy, but it just wasn't being counted back. There.
Speaker 1: A little bit different too, because a lot of times
Speaker 1: they were running it like in the more of a
Speaker 1: kind of a not not like an option, but their
Speaker 1: quarterback was kind of getting the ball and running and
Speaker 1: then maybe throwing it and then was that a tackle?
Speaker 1: Is that a sack? You know, it's a little bit different.
Speaker 1: Back then, all right, let's jump in. We got a
Speaker 1: few things we need to hit. We're gonna be joined
Speaker 1: by Bucky Brooks here in the second segment of the show.
Speaker 1: Before we get to him, though, we do need to
Speaker 1: talk about Keyan O'Neill. Man. It seems like, now this
Speaker 1: is just and I shouldn't even say now, but this season,
Speaker 1: even more so than last year, COVID seems to be
Speaker 1: a weekly thing. I have a basically a list that
Speaker 1: we're talking about from the standpoint of injuries, and then
Speaker 1: I got a COVID list, and this week, here's your
Speaker 1: latest addition to that COVID list, Keyan O'Neill. And as
Speaker 1: until further notified that, I just assume this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a thing. I mean, it's been this is third
Speaker 1: third game, third guy. It was Zack Martin, then it
Speaker 1: was Randy Gregory. Now it's Keyan O'Neil. Fortunately, on one hand,
Speaker 1: Randy's back, so that's nice. So Zach only missed one game,
Speaker 1: Randy only missed one game. Maybe Keanu will only miss
Speaker 1: one game. That's TVD. Yeah, well, well, but they're over two.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to hear about a guy
Speaker 1: coming back in time until it happens. They're over for two.
Speaker 1: It's a different situation though. In the other two instances,
Speaker 1: both those guys tested positive. This is not a test
Speaker 1: piece of close contact. It's close contact, which means that,
Speaker 1: according to the rules as I understand them, when it's
Speaker 1: close contact, you have a five a minimum five day
Speaker 1: if you're unvaccinated, which would mean that as of the
Speaker 1: time that we learned about it yesterday, that's five days
Speaker 1: to Monday. If he gets negative tests here in succession,
Speaker 1: he could possibly play on Monday. Right, That's awesome. I'll
Speaker 1: believe it when it happens. Okay, I mean, I just
Speaker 1: you know, every I'm just over the whole, like Windsy testing.
Speaker 1: Have we heard what his test is? Is he coming back?
Speaker 1: And like, you know, Zach and I know you're right,
Speaker 1: Keano didn't test positive. That matters. That's a big difference.
Speaker 1: But Zach, you know, he talked to Zach Martin. He's like,
Speaker 1: I was never playing in that game, So right, I
Speaker 1: just I'll believe it when I see it. That's just
Speaker 1: the attitude that I prefer to have. Well, let's let's
Speaker 1: really talk about what it means, because there's only only
Speaker 1: it seems like there's one player that we've been talking
Speaker 1: about in the last you know, two weeks, and that's
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons. So everything kind of goes back to Micah Parsons.
Speaker 1: And here we are. Kean O'Neill Dorin's Armstrong has an
Speaker 1: ankle high ankle sprain, probably not going to play in
Speaker 1: the game. Hasn't been ruled out yet. We haven't seen
Speaker 1: an official injury report yet. We probably will today. Um,
Speaker 1: and so do you rush him on the outside or
Speaker 1: now you've got a guy that may not be playing
Speaker 1: next to him in the nickel? We're both you know,
Speaker 1: But there we go. That's the answer. That's what he wants,
Speaker 1: that's what he wants. Yeah, he doesn't he if he
Speaker 1: was a hockey player, I don't think he would go
Speaker 1: for like line changes and stuff like that. I mean
Speaker 1: he'd go back. Yeah, he'd just be like, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: out there. I asked him about it on Sunday if
Speaker 1: you go here, he played Oh sorry, what was that?
Speaker 1: I said, I'll play goalie. Sure, Oh yeah, he'd be
Speaker 1: a one of those defensemen though, And I don't think
Speaker 1: defenseman actually don't. They don't rotate the same, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: of course he's definitely going to be a defenseman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Stephen Jones, I'm sorry, Stephen Jones told me a
Speaker 1: story that he actually played running back is in high
Speaker 1: school and maybe even early in Penn State. Like was
Speaker 1: that was maybe he was gonna do a little bit
Speaker 1: of both, and then somebody got hurt on defense, and
Speaker 1: then he decided to stay on defense. And that's where
Speaker 1: the guys the guy snapped the ball, the guys played linebacker,
Speaker 1: the guys played defensive end. Like those are things he's
Speaker 1: just done. Here said yeah, like what what can't he do?
Speaker 1: He's gonna get an interception or a fumble, and he's
Speaker 1: he's not gonna go down easy. And then and then
Speaker 1: it's just gonna start off well, you know anything, if
Speaker 1: Zeke can't can't run the ball better than that, I mean,
Speaker 1: how about third and two? You know that's what's happened. Cool,
Speaker 1: he's a football player. I love it. Give him put
Speaker 1: it all on his plate. It's fine with me. So
Speaker 1: what do you do with his role this week? I mean,
Speaker 1: because you're right, you have now guy that presumably could
Speaker 1: be out of defensive end. Now you did get one
Speaker 1: back in Randy Gregory. You now got maybe a linebacker
Speaker 1: that could be out. So what do you do with that? Like,
Speaker 1: you got two different positions where you may be in need,
Speaker 1: and those are the two positions he plays. What do
Speaker 1: you do with his role? I would rotate him between
Speaker 1: edge rusher and spy linebacker depending on the situation. And
Speaker 1: it's not there's not a one way to play it.
Speaker 1: It does it doesn't depend on the down. Sorry, it
Speaker 1: does depend on the down and the distance like third
Speaker 1: and long. Love the idea of Micah Parsons being in
Speaker 1: front of Jalen Hurts to clean it up if he
Speaker 1: gets a mirror him. Yeah, absolutely, because that's what kills
Speaker 1: you is when a guy like Jalen Hurts can convert
Speaker 1: these long thir third downs where third and eight and
Speaker 1: Terrell Basham swipes at his ankle, but he gets away
Speaker 1: and converts it. That's when I want Michael Parsons mirroring
Speaker 1: whatever he does. Different situations bring him down and have
Speaker 1: him rushed the passer they're short on the edge. Again,
Speaker 1: if Dorrence Armstrong can't play, I think that should absolutely
Speaker 1: be part of what he does. And you can platoon
Speaker 1: that with Layton and Jalen to have them doing you know,
Speaker 1: if he's down on the edge, then they can be
Speaker 1: playing linebacker. But I want him doing it all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't want Jalen Hurts getting good to read
Speaker 1: on anything he's doing. You know, he's a young quarterback
Speaker 1: that is still learning, still trying to pick up things, chill,
Speaker 1: trying to read different defenses and schemes. And so you know,
Speaker 1: right now, when you've looked at the Cowboys for two weeks,
Speaker 1: you don't have a great feel on where Michael Parsons
Speaker 1: is going to be. The first game was different, second
Speaker 1: game was way different, and then maybe the third game
Speaker 1: will be a combination of both. But you know, one
Speaker 1: thing I will say, Nick on to that point, I
Speaker 1: actually I'm okay in this instance, if Jalen Hurts knows
Speaker 1: going into the game, and as the game transpires, he knows,
Speaker 1: I gotta deal with Michael Parsons one on one every play.
Speaker 1: Here's why, because I think that's running is his security
Speaker 1: blank You know some quarterbacks the tight ends a security blanket.
Speaker 1: There's a particular receiver they love to go to. I
Speaker 1: think for Jalen, the bread and butter of his game
Speaker 1: is if everything doesn't work out, I can run, and
Speaker 1: if I run, I think I can pick up good
Speaker 1: yards if you get. Creates some indecision in those kind
Speaker 1: of moments because he knows I got this linebacker coming
Speaker 1: at me and he's fast and he's not gonna fall
Speaker 1: for the elusive move whatever I might try to put on,
Speaker 1: like he is coming and I don't know how I
Speaker 1: can neutralize him. That creates indecision with him, and it
Speaker 1: might force him to say, in situations where he may
Speaker 1: otherwise run, well, let me see if I can get
Speaker 1: this pass out there. And then he throws up and
Speaker 1: he'll advise passed, and here you go turnover. Right, So
Speaker 1: I'm all good with I'm all good with this game.
Speaker 1: Michael Parson's them going into the game and saying you're
Speaker 1: gonna go get the quarterback. You stay with the quarterback,
Speaker 1: don't let him do anything. You take that part of
Speaker 1: their game away. I think that offense falls apart not
Speaker 1: to doubt Micah's ability either. But I think it's worth
Speaker 1: repeating this is not as favorable a matchup on the
Speaker 1: edge as it was last week Rashawn Slater. He didn't
Speaker 1: give Slater any trouble at all. Jordan Malata young player,
Speaker 1: but seems to be very talented, lot of upside, very
Speaker 1: athletic guy, played rugby. And then you got Lane Johnson,
Speaker 1: who's one of the three or four best right tackles
Speaker 1: in football. So I don't see him dominating as a
Speaker 1: pass rusher the way that he did. It ain't storm no,
Speaker 1: it ain't the swing tackle. So there's there's and there's no.
Speaker 1: And I've argued with some people about this that are
Speaker 1: ready to just, you know, put him next to the
Speaker 1: LT in d were. I mean, nobody has ever gained
Speaker 1: planned for Michael Parsons to play defensive end. It hasn't
Speaker 1: happened yet. Nobody's ever done it, studied him on tape,
Speaker 1: see what he likes to do, and says, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: you want to play it that way, We're just gonna not,
Speaker 1: you know, get him up the field. And well, I mean,
Speaker 1: think about it. The Cowboys used they studied Joey Bosa enough,
Speaker 1: you know, last week to actually run at him, leave
Speaker 1: him unblocked at times, knowing how he's gonna get up
Speaker 1: the field and do things to kind of go against him.
Speaker 1: So it's just the Cowboys. You know, they got him
Speaker 1: on that one. They didn't charge it, didn't know that
Speaker 1: was happening. They got him. They exploited a matchup and
Speaker 1: it worked. But let's just see before we say, oh,
Speaker 1: this is where it needs to be, because because Zach
Speaker 1: Martin never played tackle before, but for some reason when
Speaker 1: he got to the NFL, they were like, he's a guard.
Speaker 1: Based off everything he is, he's a guard. No one,
Speaker 1: No one did this with Michael Parsons. No one said
Speaker 1: he's a pass rusher. He's a Linebacker's that's where he's
Speaker 1: always played. That's probably where he's gonna be. But we've
Speaker 1: seen some pass rushing skills that can make it, you know,
Speaker 1: pretty dynamic there as well. All right, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: our first break. When we come back. We'll be joined
Speaker 1: by Bucky Brooks of NFL Network. We'll talk about the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia defense versus the Dallas offense. We'll do that when
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Speaker 1: at Bucky, first of all, let me apologize because I
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Speaker 1: So here's what I got for y'all. Was looking at
Speaker 1: some of the stats around this Philadelphia defense. They have
Speaker 1: only allowed two touchdowns in two games. Uh. Now, obviously
Speaker 1: we think the Dallas's offense is much better than Atlanta
Speaker 1: or San Francisco. So my question for you is what
Speaker 1: weaknesses can Dallas Dallas exploit that Atlanta and San Francisco
Speaker 1: could not. Well. I think one you have to go
Speaker 1: in to annoying that it's going to be kind of
Speaker 1: a knockdown, drag out a fair. This is a world
Speaker 1: coach team. Johnathan Gannon has done a really good job
Speaker 1: of taking some of the principles that they learned from
Speaker 1: Indianapolis and putting them into play in Philadelphia. And those
Speaker 1: who know Indianapolis know that that people fluce who's with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys is Alan Mary Nelly to five point. So
Speaker 1: they do a lot of those things. It's all about hit, run, chase,
Speaker 1: keep the ball in front, makes you take a lot
Speaker 1: of plays to be able to score. And what they
Speaker 1: hope is that they can throw you off chilter and
Speaker 1: make you settle for field goals as opposed to touchdowns.
Speaker 1: And that's what they've been able to do the first
Speaker 1: couple games. And so for the Cowboys, this will be
Speaker 1: a test of patients. I be a test of can
Speaker 1: we be content with the three, four or five yard
Speaker 1: game as opposed to the explosive play, and if they
Speaker 1: can be patient and avoid the ton of these and
Speaker 1: the mistakes they've bogged down some teams, then they shouldn't
Speaker 1: have a problem scoring. But I would anticipate this being
Speaker 1: one of those one score fairs. You're just gonna have
Speaker 1: to kind of outlast the Philadephia Eagles when it comes
Speaker 1: to your offensive approach. That kind of sounds like what
Speaker 1: they faced against San Diego. Is that an accurate assessment
Speaker 1: Los Angeles something? Geez? I mean, yeah, No, I think
Speaker 1: I think it's a very I think it's a very
Speaker 1: safe assessment that the games could be very similar internative
Speaker 1: how the Charges played, how they're not going to allow
Speaker 1: you to have the explosive plays in those things, and
Speaker 1: how Philadephia wants to play the same way. Philadephia has
Speaker 1: not been able to generate the turnovers that they want,
Speaker 1: but they have play very, very solid defense, and so
Speaker 1: it's going to take what I call a workman like
Speaker 1: effort from everyone involved with the offense to get it going.
Speaker 1: And so Kellen Moore, My McCarthy, they have to make
Speaker 1: sure that the way that they attack the Eagles is
Speaker 1: one that doesn't necessarily put the ball in harm's way
Speaker 1: so they can make sure that they don't gift extra
Speaker 1: opportunities to the Eagle Bucky. On your five Bucks column
Speaker 1: that you wrote this week, you said one of your
Speaker 1: points was two backs is greater than one. And of
Speaker 1: course that's a big talking point around here with Zeke
Speaker 1: and Pollard. Can you explain that a little bit more
Speaker 1: on why it works so well here with the Cowboys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't really understand why there's this national debate about
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard in the place Ezekiel Elliott and those things.
Speaker 1: I understand, like people get caught up in terms of
Speaker 1: like what people get paid. Well, look, man, it's like dominoes.
Speaker 1: Once dominoes laid to play, like it's over. Like they
Speaker 1: paid Zeke the money. Zeke is there. So now you're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's the best way for the
Speaker 1: object to play. And when you go and you look
Speaker 1: at the Cowboys one, I'm excited to see them run
Speaker 1: the ball, Like when they run the ball over thirty times,
Speaker 1: its normally a recipe for success. And so Ezekiel running
Speaker 1: between the tackles the power runners, softening up the defense
Speaker 1: so that Tony Poller can get onto edges and do
Speaker 1: what he does in space. I think it's a nice combination.
Speaker 1: I like the way that they have it going back
Speaker 1: and forth, and I think it's something that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: should continue to do because also, don't forget there's an
Speaker 1: extra game. It's a seventeen game season, and to think
Speaker 1: that you're going to put it all on the shoulders
Speaker 1: of one back over and extended a marathon of a season,
Speaker 1: it's really not sensible. If anything, what you would like
Speaker 1: to do is see it kind of evenly distributed, and
Speaker 1: then as you get down the stretch when it's to
Speaker 1: dash for the playoffs, then maybe it goes in favor
Speaker 1: of Ezekiel Eli if he's playing better than Tony Poll
Speaker 1: or vice versa. But right now, keep it even utilize
Speaker 1: both of them led both of those guys attacked the
Speaker 1: defense while they're pressed. I think it's really a sensible
Speaker 1: solution to what they want to be able to do
Speaker 1: on our caense, So buck Is, I think as long
Speaker 1: as I've been here, the Eagles front has kind of
Speaker 1: been a pain for the Cowboys, But the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: had a lot of success against their secondary from the
Speaker 1: time of Mary Cooper got here. Dak Prescott's averaging three
Speaker 1: hundred and eight passing yards a game against the Eagles,
Speaker 1: and there's a new element of that. Stephen Nelson came
Speaker 1: over from Pittsburgh right at the start of training camp.
Speaker 1: We know all about Darius Slay, but can you give
Speaker 1: us a snapshot on Nelson and what he brings to
Speaker 1: this and whether that's a favorable matchup for anybody in
Speaker 1: the Cowboys passing game? Well, I mean, Nelson is a
Speaker 1: really good player, but he's a good player really kind
Speaker 1: of coming off the edge and blisten and doing some
Speaker 1: creative things. I wouldn't say that he's necessarily a high
Speaker 1: end cover guy. And so what happens and the problem
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys present, they have receivers that are really good,
Speaker 1: and typically you don't have enough to match up with
Speaker 1: what they can put out here, even though Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: is an available a steal with Stete Lamb and a
Speaker 1: Maury Cooper, and the thought of defending the running game
Speaker 1: and potentially what you have to deal with at the
Speaker 1: tide ends, it's a lot to think about. So you
Speaker 1: have to prioritize what's most important. I would say the
Speaker 1: most important thing for Dallas that you have to stop.
Speaker 1: You got to stop the running game. Because you let
Speaker 1: them have a multidimensional attack, you have no chance. So
Speaker 1: you got to make sure you bottle up the ze
Speaker 1: Elliott and take care of Tony College so they don't
Speaker 1: hurt you. And so now what it does is it
Speaker 1: does create some one on what opportunities for Steven Nelson
Speaker 1: has to hold up and say it's against CD or
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper. If they see that and if they can
Speaker 1: identify that, particularly in a single high safety coverage, I
Speaker 1: think they're going to attack him. They're gonna attack his almsses.
Speaker 1: Philadelphia's defensive end Brandon Graham has been placed on IR
Speaker 1: He will not play obviously this week. Who will presumably
Speaker 1: fill in for him? And how much of the loss
Speaker 1: is that for Philadelphia's defense. I mean it's a loss
Speaker 1: because he's one of the leaders of the defense. He's
Speaker 1: a high motor guy. He's a guy that isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: a double digit back producer, but he's a prostive pass rushler.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Ryan Kerrigan who's in the rotation, have Darry
Speaker 1: Barnette who's in the mix, I would expect those guys
Speaker 1: to pick up the flat Now, I'll be honest with
Speaker 1: Ryan Kregan. Ryan Karrigan is not what he was during
Speaker 1: his time with a Watchington football team, but still he
Speaker 1: can still work over tackles that kind of falls keep
Speaker 1: at the will and they're not sound with their technique,
Speaker 1: So you have to be aware of him. You have
Speaker 1: to be aware of Barnette being able to come off
Speaker 1: the edge. But this is a team that kind of
Speaker 1: does it by committee, and so the anything you got
Speaker 1: to make sure that you don't get deep inside that
Speaker 1: make sure you take care of the inside part of
Speaker 1: the deep slot. You know, you just got done saying
Speaker 1: that Pollard and Zeke, that doesn't really matter who's who's
Speaker 1: doing you know the most or you know, just as
Speaker 1: long as you use them both. You feel the same
Speaker 1: about tied end for the Cowboys, I mean, Chultz Jarwin,
Speaker 1: do you feel like you know they're getting it done
Speaker 1: by committee? There doesn't really matter who's doing more there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of think it's the same because I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a huge difference between the way both of
Speaker 1: those guys are playing right now. I know the shelf
Speaker 1: had a fantastic year a season ago, but I think
Speaker 1: right now, the Stears just kind of getting the scraps
Speaker 1: in the passing end because the ball is going outside
Speaker 1: to the wide receivers. Ideally, though, you would like to
Speaker 1: see someone emerge as the middle of the feel threat
Speaker 1: because that will also loosen the blanket on the guys
Speaker 1: outside Lamb and Cooper, respectively. But right now, both of
Speaker 1: these guys are kind of even steven when it comes
Speaker 1: to what they're producing on them come the field. You
Speaker 1: mentioned Erican not being what he used to be. What
Speaker 1: does Fletcher Cox look like these days? Because I like
Speaker 1: the reputation speaks for itself, and he had a good
Speaker 1: year last year, but he is, you know, he's thirty now.
Speaker 1: Just curious if he still looks like himself two games
Speaker 1: into the season. I mean, he's fine, but I think
Speaker 1: at this stage he's a flash player, so he can
Speaker 1: give you a couple of splash plays, but he's not
Speaker 1: going to be a consistent, dominant force that he was
Speaker 1: early in his career. And so what you have to
Speaker 1: do is you have to make sure your gear up
Speaker 1: for those big moments right third down. Too many situations
Speaker 1: where has no situations where he can make a play.
Speaker 1: He tends to kind of pop up and make plays,
Speaker 1: and that was almost more so than a complete takeover
Speaker 1: that he used to put on display when he was younger.
Speaker 1: I'll take that. That's that's a little a little easier
Speaker 1: to defend. Yeah, when um all right, So Bucky, tell us,
Speaker 1: what are you thinks gonna happen Monday night? I think
Speaker 1: I think if the Cowboys are focused and locked in,
Speaker 1: I think this is a game that plays well for
Speaker 1: them if they just line up and play and take
Speaker 1: what the defense has given them on offense like they
Speaker 1: did the last two weeks, whether that's the pass, every
Speaker 1: menu or run or balanced menu, they have to do that.
Speaker 1: I think they just have to be patient. Defensively, I
Speaker 1: think it's still finding a way to be creatives and
Speaker 1: still unleash Michael Parsons in their front. Depending on who's
Speaker 1: back and who's in the lineup, you have some things.
Speaker 1: But I think we are seeing that Michael Parsons is
Speaker 1: a huge difference maker, and even though there's been a
Speaker 1: rounds field of national attention around him, I still think
Speaker 1: dan Quinn has to unleash him and let him do
Speaker 1: what he does. I think he's at invest going forward
Speaker 1: then backwards, so keep him blitzing, keep him rushing, find
Speaker 1: the way they allow him to make some flash leads
Speaker 1: in the game. All right, but appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take our final break when we come back.
Speaker 1: I have some questions for these guys. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about this Dallas offense, particularly
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Tyler Beadis some questions they're going into
Speaker 1: the season. We'll find out how these guys think he's
Speaker 1: been playing so far through two games. Well do that
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Speaker 1: talking about the Philadelphia Dallas matchup. Remember tomorrow we'll give
Speaker 1: you guys our thoughts on what we think is going
Speaker 1: to happen in that game Monday night. We'll not have
Speaker 1: a show on Monday because we won't because it's a
Speaker 1: game day, but we'll do a wrap up tomorrow and
Speaker 1: then come back on Tuesday let you know what we
Speaker 1: think happened in the Monday night game. For the rest
Speaker 1: of our time today, though, I'd like to talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the Dallas offense, and I want to
Speaker 1: zero in here on the offensive line for a bit.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this unit, I think quite a bit,
Speaker 1: and I think as a unit, they we all agree
Speaker 1: they looked pretty good through two games. I think the
Speaker 1: quarterback helps. When you have a quarterback that can get
Speaker 1: rid of the ball quickly, and I saw moments in
Speaker 1: this last game that was really really the case. I
Speaker 1: think that helps the entire unit. But we haven't really
Speaker 1: assessed I don't think some of the individual players, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to tie up first talk about Tyler Biottish
Speaker 1: because he was a guy that back going back even
Speaker 1: to training camp, there was a lot of talk about him,
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about Connor Williams, who was the
Speaker 1: better fit. How would each of them play in given situations?
Speaker 1: Talk to me about what you've seen from Tyler Biottish
Speaker 1: and from Connor Williams, and through these first two games,
Speaker 1: Tyler beiandist is off of his feet a lot. I
Speaker 1: feel like, I just, I mean, it's not a good thing.
Speaker 1: For no, No, that's very bad. That's not good. I mean,
Speaker 1: and Vita Vea is about as hard as a draw
Speaker 1: as you could ask for. And sue for that matter. Um,
Speaker 1: I just there was a play in that Buccaneers game
Speaker 1: where they they have picked Tyler up and carried him
Speaker 1: to Dak. I mean, that's basically what happened. And and
Speaker 1: I thought that there were some I thought that happened
Speaker 1: a little bit in this last game as well, not
Speaker 1: as dramatically as that. But he's a young player who
Speaker 1: hasn't played a lot of football. I've always this goes
Speaker 1: back to the spring when Nick and I were kind
Speaker 1: of just banging the drum, like why is Tyler the
Speaker 1: only center on this team? And I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: accusing the Cowboys of this, but there's been this narrative
Speaker 1: of like, he went to Wisconsin, he won the Remington Trophy,
Speaker 1: so they just they it's Frederick two point oh, he's
Speaker 1: a beast and he was a fourth round pick. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just and there were all of the concerns that
Speaker 1: go along with the tape of a fourth round pick
Speaker 1: were there. Some of it was his injury, but some
Speaker 1: of it was, like, yeah, I mean, if if you
Speaker 1: are Travis Frederick was a first round pick. Not everybody
Speaker 1: agreed with that, but he had the talent to make
Speaker 1: it happen. Um, I've been writing fifth round pick for
Speaker 1: like two years now, have I been wrong? I really
Speaker 1: thought I think he was a fourth Well he traded
Speaker 1: up with the Eagles, like the second fourth round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah he was. I think he was ther second fourth
Speaker 1: round picks never gonna be good. I'm not well, I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not ready to say that he's not good. Yeah, exactly. Sorry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was picked one forty six fourth round, and I
Speaker 1: shouldn't argue with you about what rounds people were. But
Speaker 1: I always thought he was a fifth round He's a
Speaker 1: fourth and I was the fifth. Um. But that's the
Speaker 1: funny thing. Like he had played four or started four
Speaker 1: NFL games coming into this season, so this shouldn't be
Speaker 1: terribly surprising. I think Connor Williams has been pretty damn good.
Speaker 1: I think PFF has credited him with one pressure allowed
Speaker 1: through two games. So that's exciting to see for a
Speaker 1: guy hard where everybody was like, he go be should
Speaker 1: he be your center? Like yeah, yeah, um. So that's
Speaker 1: vindicating for me because I think he's certainly not Zack Martin,
Speaker 1: but I think that is the comparison for a lot
Speaker 1: of people. So everybody's dogged on him for years for
Speaker 1: not being an All Pro m you know. So I
Speaker 1: also think too about Connor Williams, is that when you
Speaker 1: have a left tackle like Tyrn Smith who's playing pretty good.
Speaker 1: I mean like he's playing Tyrant Smith football. Now, he
Speaker 1: gave up a sac and that was his and that
Speaker 1: was one we haven't seen a lot of. But we've
Speaker 1: also seen him kind of shut it down over there
Speaker 1: as well, and I think when that's happening, it certainly
Speaker 1: helps your left guard. And so, you know, Connor Williams
Speaker 1: coming back from injury last year and having to play
Speaker 1: with a lot of different guys moving around, I bet
Speaker 1: you it's a lot easier for him and for anybody
Speaker 1: when you know, when you've got all pros sitting there.
Speaker 1: I want to throw this out there too. Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: in his post game. You know, he talks to one
Speaker 1: oh five three every Monday after the game, and he
Speaker 1: said something, or maybe it was before the game, but
Speaker 1: he said something along the lines of, like, the two
Speaker 1: Connors are both getting practice reps at center like we're
Speaker 1: doing and that's new. McGovern played center in college. He's
Speaker 1: very rarely ever done it here. So it does make
Speaker 1: me wonder. I think I think it's fair to say
Speaker 1: center is the weak link of this offensive line right now.
Speaker 1: That's not I'm not throwing dirt on Tyler Beatis. He's
Speaker 1: this was his sixth NFL start, But that's so somebody
Speaker 1: has to be right. And I would even say Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele played better against the Chargers than Tyler Beiottish did.
Speaker 1: So it's definitely something to watch. I wonder if Connor
Speaker 1: Williams had had a better preseason if maybe that would
Speaker 1: be something that they would consider. Maybe if they'd started
Speaker 1: doing it before they got to Oxnard. Who knows. It's
Speaker 1: almost like you should have two centers setting into training camp. Um,
Speaker 1: So I don't know, that's something to watch. I thought,
Speaker 1: I'm not like, I'm not pressing panic buttons about Tyler Beiottish,
Speaker 1: but he's he looks like a second year player who's
Speaker 1: still very, very raw. After going back and watching the film,
Speaker 1: did you did you think Terrence still played as well
Speaker 1: as we thought he did on Monday? Yeah, I actually did.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought he there were some times where
Speaker 1: he got you know, he got some help. I think
Speaker 1: they're always gonna get some help. Yeah, you know, even
Speaker 1: Lyell was going to will get some, but but not
Speaker 1: not that much. But I thought I thought he played.
Speaker 1: I thought he played really well. And you know, he
Speaker 1: got stronger in the this year, which most second year
Speaker 1: players get stronger, and I thought it showed at times,
Speaker 1: and they're not afraid to run behind him that, you know,
Speaker 1: and even down to the goal line or short yard situations.
Speaker 1: And you know, having Zach there helps, just like I
Speaker 1: said about Connor and Tyran Smith. And so I thought
Speaker 1: he did a really nice job in the game. And
Speaker 1: I think his you know, he's just got some athletic
Speaker 1: ability to him that you just don't see a lot
Speaker 1: from the right tackle position. So you know, just just
Speaker 1: keep going. It's gonna get it's gonna get tough. This week,
Speaker 1: aus Dave said when he was talking to Bucky, we
Speaker 1: talked about this before. Just plug I mean, just put
Speaker 1: the Eagle helmet on and put him out a defensive end.
Speaker 1: And for some reason, I seriously don't care who it is,
Speaker 1: they are always good. I mean we named five or
Speaker 1: six seven players that it. They always seem to have,
Speaker 1: you know, and they always seem to have six got
Speaker 1: like we're over here, always just like, well do they
Speaker 1: have enough to play this game? Durance Armstrong camp play
Speaker 1: to Marcus Lawrence's Eagles are just like brand Graham went down.
Speaker 1: Well we have Ryan Carrigan for that. Yeah, which he's
Speaker 1: not Ryan Kerrigan him six seven years ago. He's still
Speaker 1: good player. I would assume I would have. I told
Speaker 1: Nick yesterday, like I would have signed him to that
Speaker 1: deal that the Eagles gave him. And part of me
Speaker 1: when he became a free agent, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: he's mister Washington. He's not the type of guy like
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Ware didn't want to go into division signed with
Speaker 1: the Eagles. Well, that didn't surprise me, just because I
Speaker 1: kind of always thought not that I've talked to him
Speaker 1: or anything, but I always thought that the way that
Speaker 1: they went out and just started drafting guys to replace him,
Speaker 1: at some point, he probably looking like I'm a good player, Like,
Speaker 1: why are you trying to replace me? Like there are
Speaker 1: a lot of other places on this team? Could The
Speaker 1: point I'm trying to make is if he was willing
Speaker 1: to sign in the division, why ain't he here? Yeah? Right?
Speaker 1: The Eagles are the kings of doing deals that I
Speaker 1: want to do. Stephen Nelson pretty decently solid, experienced cornerback.
Speaker 1: Not like the Cowboys need one of those. He signed
Speaker 1: on July twenty fifth for three and a half mill. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Eagles just stay doing deals that I want the
Speaker 1: Cowboys to do. It's the only thing they do. And like,
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up a Cowboy fan, and so I
Speaker 1: don't have like this long seated animosity. But every year
Speaker 1: I'm just like, there goes, how are you doing what
Speaker 1: I want the Cowboys to do? And it pisses me
Speaker 1: off after a while. You know, I did notice one
Speaker 1: thing we talked about Terren Steele, and I remember it
Speaker 1: last week. I think it was Stephen last week that
Speaker 1: was saying, you know, there is some benefit to having
Speaker 1: a Zach Martin there at guard when you've got that
Speaker 1: inexperienced guy at tackle, and they didn't experience guy at center.
Speaker 1: And I noticed on one play specifically, basically Bosa got
Speaker 1: by Terren Steele and you saw Zach just kind of
Speaker 1: dip right over and Zach already had one guy on
Speaker 1: his left shoulder, and now he's got Bosa coming on
Speaker 1: the right. And luckily it just slowed things down a
Speaker 1: bit so that Dak could get the ball off. But
Speaker 1: that's the benefit, and I think Terren still played a really,
Speaker 1: really fabulous game. But I do think it has some
Speaker 1: value having a guy like Zach Martin that can help
Speaker 1: him out in those kind of moments, just to give
Speaker 1: your quarterback an extra beat. I don't remember if Bucky
Speaker 1: said his name during the breakdown, but Zach might have.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously Fletcher Cox. But don't forget about Javon
Speaker 1: Hargrave either. He's very very good. He's he seems like
Speaker 1: he's off to a good start. Based on what I've
Speaker 1: seen in the Eagles, I think he's either leaders second
Speaker 1: in quarterback pressures for them. I think he's a hell
Speaker 1: of a player in his own right. So I'm just
Speaker 1: saying Zach Martin's great, but he's got a lot of
Speaker 1: I think the Eagles have stronger players on the interior.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say. All Right, that's a
Speaker 1: rap for us. We got to get to a coach
Speaker 1: McCarthy's press conference. We'll be back tomorrow. We'll wrap up
Speaker 1: everything and get you guys ready for the Cowboys versus
Speaker 1: the Eagles on Monday Night football. Till then for Nick
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