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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to cool People did cool stuff. It's

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Speaker 1: the show Wow, you know what kind of show. Probably

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Speaker 1: we have a guest usually including right now there's Cataboo. Hi. Hi,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great? How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing okay. Kat watches Fox News for a living,

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Speaker 1: so occasionally needs to do something else.

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Speaker 2: As my theory, yes, I love doing things that aren't

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Speaker 2: that steph my personal time and things that aren't my job.

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can go watch Kat talk about Fox News

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Speaker 1: and then you don't have to watch Fox News, which

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Speaker 2: All of it. I recommend to everyone to not watch it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there was. When I was a kid, there's

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Speaker 1: all these like Simpsons jokes where they make fun of Fox,

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Speaker 1: and I never got it because I didn't watch anything

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Speaker 1: else on Fox besides Simpsons. And then, like now, retroactively,

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Speaker 1: all of the jokes making fun of their network make

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Speaker 2: They're evergreen too, that's true.

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Speaker 1: I'm afraid to rewatch old Simpsons. Actually I haven't, and

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Speaker 2: I've never seen an episode of the Simpsons.

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Speaker 3: Brave honestly, honestly, of the programs on Fox. That that

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Speaker 1: Well, the other voice you're hearing is Sophie. I Sophie's

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Speaker 3: In a way, I feel like you have seen an

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Speaker 2: Oh everyone has seen an episode together? Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: I like, someone will mention something. I'm like, oh, I've

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Speaker 2: seen like ten screenshots from the exact clipyard pointing out, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Ian is our audio engineer, or you're.

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Speaker 3: Not doing any of the jokes that you put in

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Speaker 3: the script because I really like them.

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Speaker 1: They're going to come later. I have to do all

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Speaker 3: All right, all right, I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone has to say hi to Ian before we

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Speaker 1: can move forward this point. Okay, as long as all

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Speaker 1: the listener have also said I Ian, we can now continue.

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Speaker 1: Unwoman did our music? And so speaking of music, God,

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Speaker 1: have you ever heard of Ariana Grande?

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Speaker 2: Who's that?

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Speaker 1: I don't actually really know. That was the joke I

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Speaker 2: A pop great joke.

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Speaker 1: Thanks. Instead, I want to talk about a Mexican revolutionary's

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Speaker 1: been dead for one hundred and one years.

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Speaker 3: so much. Thank you for doing that transition.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrote that joke. And as we were talking

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Speaker 1: about things beforehand, because Ariana Grande came up. Have you

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Speaker 1: ever heard of a man named Ricardo Flores Macgone, I

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Speaker 1: have not, excellent, I'm excited to tell you about this man. Today.

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Speaker 1: We are talking about a man who was convinced that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really fucking interesting. It didn't go the way

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Speaker 2: Grew up, but everything that I knew is I grew

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, exactly, And this guy was his whole thing

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Speaker 2: There's still time, baby steps.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that I think that wasn't on the list of

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Speaker 1: It's awesome. Yeah, at least for a while. So they

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Speaker 2: I know, I was, that's a cool name. I know

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Speaker 3: Like, could I get other people from cool zone media

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Speaker 3: I d Margaret, you started something very odd.

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Speaker 1: See, I think he can't be called the Iron Dragon

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think I'm going to do that

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Speaker 1: Name all right? All right? If I call you iron Dragon,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's fighting against independence too and Nail. But then

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Speaker 1: The priest guy was cool. This particular pattern of cool

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Speaker 1: in this week's episode and all throughout history constantly. I'm

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Speaker 2: It does repeat, but on the bright side, sometimes it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: It's true, it's true. I can't wait to get to

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Speaker 1: Actually the Mexican Revolution that's gonna come hundred years later.

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Speaker 1: It's like a watered down thing. But it's not a

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Speaker 2: So I do infuriated by people that play both sides

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Speaker 1: It's so annoying, like, at least have some if you're

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Speaker 2: Exactly, have some dignity, be like I'm going down because

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Speaker 2: I am just the worst. Yeah, and I really love

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Speaker 2: being the worst. And instead you're switching sides for the

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Speaker 1: It's like that everyone hates to snitch, even the cops

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Speaker 1: I mean, give me the information, but god, you suck.

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Speaker 2: I keep doing anything with the conservatives with jan six whatever, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Magpie, Magpie, keep getting confused when you say battie because

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Speaker 1: Babe and a half is a baddie.

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Speaker 2: Batties are thick. I wanna you wanna be with some baddies.

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Speaker 1: So I should stop making the people who are committing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, battie is a compliment unless they're hot.

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Speaker 2: If they're hot, I mean, you can't call it like

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Speaker 2: Well, you're like thick batties. What does this mean?

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Speaker 1: Google deer, Google Google that one sure of Stalin, the

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Speaker 3: It's not even real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all. Mister early photoshop

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Speaker 3: I'm so sure self look like zeaned from one direction.

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Speaker 1: But if you want to look better, you can buy

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Speaker 1: things that will increase your social status and therefore people's

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Speaker 2: When I was a bartender, I had a customer that

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Speaker 3: It is always a Gucci belt, Gucci belt singular one.

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Speaker 1: I like that Margaret was like speaking of a Gucci belt, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean literal opposite of that. I'm saying the dirty,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: But these products and services will increase your sexual attractivity.

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Speaker 1: Sophie do you remember what percent you were currently? I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so thirty two percent more attractive if

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Speaker 1: people sneak in. Most are corrupt as shit. They get

437
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: rich selling off the nation's natural resources to foreigners. You

438
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: get this one cool moment where an old rebel leader

439
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: abolishes slavery along the way the US invades and steals

440
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: half the country eighteen forty six, eighteen forty seven. This

441
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: is like always one of my I mean, I know

442
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: it's sort of a cliche, but the like the border

443
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 1: crossed US thing is just very very literally true. You know,

444
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: a huge chunk of well all of Texas and all

445
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: of the Southwest was part of Mexico and before that,

446
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: obviously Mexico's also stolen land. But you know, and the

447
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: reason that they US came and stole all this land

448
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: was pretty much to expand the slave state.

449
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: Right.

450
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: They weren't allowed above a certain line. I didn't write

451
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: this into the script. You weren't allowed to have a

452
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: slave state above a certain line in the US. And

453
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: so they were like, all right, we'll take all this shit.

454
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: But they didn't take really far south. I didn't know

455
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: this part. The reason they didn't take all really far south.

456
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: I like read all these quotes from them, is that

457
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: they were like, well, we want land, but we don't

458
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: want free black people and Mexican people in the United States.

459
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: That sounds terrible to.

460
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: These races so American, Oh my god.

461
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: It really is. We're like, we could conquer all of Mexico,

462
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: but I don't know, we're just too racist for it.

463
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: So your personal hero Santa Ana was in charge in

464
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: the eighteen fifties for a while. I know fucking nothing

465
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: about Santana. Like literally, this is the old mention of

466
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: him in my script, is that the revolutionaries don't like him.

467
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: Fun fact there is I'm not sure if you've seen

468
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: the King of the Hill episode, but I can't remember

469
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: which state as it. They had like something from Santa Anna,

470
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: like a part of his body or something, and Texas

471
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: keeps asking for it back and they won't give it back.

472
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: There's a whole King of the Hill episode about it,

473
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 2: and we talked about it in fourth grade Texas history,

474
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: but I can't remember it for the life of me. Obviously,

475
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: I care very much my personal hero. He also wore

476
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: a lot of red and all the paintings. So, okay,

477
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: there's your Santa Anna briefer.

478
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: And you saw the shirts that say his bones belong

479
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: in Texas.

480
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly inside Texas. Yes, so ass on the bones.

481
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 4: The main leader of this new batch of eighteen fifties

482
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 4: revolutionaries is a guy named Benito Juarez who's an indigenous

483
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 4: guy who found himself an orphan young so he walked

484
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 4: to the big city. I think this is Ohaka City

485
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 4: and he became a lawyer for the downtrodden. He was

486
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 4: the first indigenous lawyer in Mexico. So he starts off

487
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 4: great and he ends up middling in terms of his

488
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 4: legacy and stuff, right, but he genuinely is working to

489
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 4: improve things.

490
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: Right.

491
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: He goes on to become the governor of Ohaka, and

492
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: he's like, I hate Santa Anna, and it works. He

493
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: takes charge. There's no more immunity for military and church people.

494
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: They have to be held to the same law as

495
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: everyone else, and by eighteen sixty one Mexico's democracy. One

496
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: weird thing along the way is that there's all these

497
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: well intentioned laws. You know how liberals do well intentioned

498
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: laws and then they have negative effects. Sometimes that's all

499
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: liberals do. Yeah, yes, So they passed this law that

500
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: basically was like pretty much like kind of like only

501
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: people can let own land. Corporations can't have huge chunks

502
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: of land. The church can't own huge, huge chunks of land,

503
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: which sounds great. The problem is that indigenous people held

504
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: their lands in common and took all their land away

505
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: or huge chunks of their land.

506
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: It stripped was that intentional?

507
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think, you know, I don't really

508
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: super hard want to conjecture. I suspect that many of

509
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: the people involved in doing it knew that that was

510
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: going to happen, and we're happy for it. I think

511
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: a lot of it was like the liberalization kind of

512
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: a like, well, if we make, you know, the like

513
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: bringing indigenous people into the like capitalist culture as like

514
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: progress kind of thing. I know that a version of

515
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: it happened in the nineteenth in the early twentieth century

516
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: in the US, And I don't have this in my

517
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: script at all, but the first indigenous man who was

518
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: vice president of the United States in the twenties or thirties,

519
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: I don't remember his name. I'm completely running off of

520
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: old memory. He did a very similar thing in the

521
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: United States about privatizing indigenous vice president Yes, oh my god,

522
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: we should look this up.

523
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 2: Charles Curtis was Herbert Hoover's vice president.

524
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: What years is that, uh.

525
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: Nineteen twenty nine to nineteen thirty three. Bummer that he

526
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: is Herbert Hoover's vice president And he's the only mixed

527
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,239
Speaker 2: race vice president in American history until the inauguration of

528
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris in twenty twenty one. Oh, this is the

529
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: first US vp' to ever open the Olympic Games. Yes, id,

530
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 2: what's up?

531
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: I literally fucking hate this country.

532
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: I just read was so annoying. Yeah, the only thing

533
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: I'd ever read about him was this thing where he

534
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: sold off a lot of tribal lands in order to

535
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: like privatize it and then like gave people some money

536
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: instead of them having access to the means of production, like.

537
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: They Yeah, he's three eights native American. I don't know math,

538
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: I don't know how that works.

539
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, so so this happens in Mexico. Then during

540
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: all the chaos times, Napoleon the Third invades. They kick

541
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: him out on the fifth. Well, they have a big

542
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: fight on the fifth of May eighteen sixty two, which

543
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: is where Cinco de Mayo comes from. The guy who

544
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: led that fight was named Porfio Diaz, Porfirio Diaz, and

545
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: he's going to be important in a minute. He is

546
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: fucking ruthless. Even if he's ostensibly liberal, he's a little

547
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: bit iron dragony. He's kind of a sophie, is what

548
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I now feel bad about this because this

549
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: is literally the main antagonist of this week is Portfolio Dias.

550
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: But you know, cool just is what it is. You're

551
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: a baddie.

552
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you so much.

553
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm welcome. This is the first time this has

554
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: ever happened to me. So two folks in that battle

555
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: wind up important later. One has the Spanish version of

556
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: the best name ever, which is to say, her name

557
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: is Margarita Margariteo. Yeah, I know, right, Margarita Magone and

558
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: Teodora Flores. And they meet and fall in love because

559
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: they're fighting the French in hand to hand combat in

560
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: the streets. Yeah, and they get together and have a

561
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: bunch of kids who are the main subject of this

562
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: week's story, but we'll get to them later. It takes

563
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: Mexico until eighteen sixty seven to drive out there would

564
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: be Emperor and execute him. Mexico returns to being a republic.

565
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: They start teaching science over religion in schools, this free

566
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: school for all the kids. Like you know, some progresses

567
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: being made along the way. A new radical tendency shows

568
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: up in Mexico, socialism, and it's not just any socialism.

569
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: Mexico gets anarchist socialism. It gets though, what if we

570
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 1: had a horizontally organized society? Kind And it shows up

571
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: from a really interesting source from my point of view,

572
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: somebody who likes to nerd out about this kind of shit,

573
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: which hopefully at least some of you all are. There's

574
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: a Greek doctor and his name is a Plotino Rodocanati,

575
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: and he was born into the Greek aristocracy. But he's like,

576
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: what if I just run around throwing down in every

577
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: revolution that Europe has to offer. So he does that,

578
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and including the Hungarian War for Independence in

579
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: eighteen forty eight, which inspired a lot of revolutionaries at

580
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: the time. Then, at least according to one of the

581
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: sources I read, there's a couple different versions of how

582
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: he got really interested in Mexico. He started reading about

583
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: indigenous Mexican struggle, and specifically he started reading about their

584
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: autonomous villages and communal agricultural practices, and he was like, oh,

585
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: this fucking rules. Around the time, he had become a

586
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: Christian anarchist, and he was like, I'm going to move

587
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: to Mexico because I want to know more about this shit.

588
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: And so in eighteen sixty one he moves to Mexico.

589
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: He goes to Mexico City and he starts doing two things.

590
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: First and foremost, he's a doctor, right, so he just

591
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: starts treating people for free, and that's what he spends

592
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: most of his time doing. But he's also super educated

593
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: because he's from the aristocracy. He speaks seven languages, and

594
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: he's like verse in philosophy and shit. So he starts

595
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: a free school and he's running it and he's teaching it.

596
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: Soon the free school becomes a mutual aid society, which

597
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: soon becomes a resistance movement. For a while, all of

598
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: the people he teaches are like, oh, this is great,

599
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: let's go get guns and fuck up the landowners. And

600
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: he's like, wait, no, I'm kind of like a Christian

601
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: pacifist the anarchist. And they're like yeah, but we're not

602
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: so fuck off. And then later he kind of comes

603
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: around actually the more radical side of things, or the

604
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: more militant side of.

605
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: It, and Magpie explains like some deep history like drama,

606
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: like it was a fight in middle school, and like

607
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: I understand it better. I'm like, yeah, that makes sense.

608
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: They were in front of their lockers exactly. He's this

609
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: dictator and a locker. Yeah sprayed him in the face

610
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: with back's body spray. Yeah one percent. Yeah, thank you, Magpie.

611
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're welcome. He has a work rage against the

612
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: machine shirt on this entire time. It's actually impressive. Absolutely,

613
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: so this guy, Uh, he spends about twenty five years

614
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: in Mexico teaching and healing, and then in eighteen eighty six,

615
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna like because he's not gonna be in

616
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: the story of the rest of the time. But he's

617
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: an interesting enough guy. He just disappears from the historical

618
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: record in eighteen eighty six. Some say that he went

619
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: back to Greece. Some say that he moved into the

620
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: hills to become a farmer. No one knows. And the

621
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: Christianity that he was into was a Christianity without dogmar institution.

622
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: He refused both Protestant and Catholic affiliation. He also tried Mormonism,

623
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: which is the first like cool Mormon I've ever had

624
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: On this show.

625
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: We're really excited about this, like a week or two ago.

626
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: Margaret was like, hey, and you know that I'm serious

627
00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: because I'm calling her Margaret.

628
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: Margaret was like, guess.

629
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: What, And I was like what.

630
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: Margaret was like, I think I found our first cool Mormon.

631
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, you didn't.

632
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: Man.

633
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: Margaret was like, wait and see, and.

634
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: Here we are Mormon. Tell us. So he joins the

635
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: Church of the Latter day Saints because the Protestants are

636
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: too materialist, and he can't be a Catholic because the

637
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: Catholic Church is like one of the primary institutions of

638
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: domination and destruction in Mexico at the time, and so

639
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: he leads his his thing, and apparently he's kind of

640
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: part of bringing Mormonism to Mexico. But he couldn't get

641
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: the Church of Latter day Saints to agree to his

642
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: plan to overthrow the Mexican government to institute a classless

643
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: society built on mutual aid.

644
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: So he left because it's priority street. I got I

645
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: gotta say that.

646
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, will Mormons helped me make like decolonize

647
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: Mexico into a like anarchist space And they're like no,

648
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: and he's like, all right, see you. He himself didn't

649
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: lead social struggle. The students that he taught did. They

650
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: fought alongside indigenous rebels generally, who collectively started both the

651
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: agrarian land reform movement in a modern sense and the

652
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: labor movement of Mexico from eighteen sixty seven to eighteen seventy.

653
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Speaker 1: One of his students, Chavez Lopez or Lopez Chavez newspapers

654
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Speaker 1: wrote it both ways. I guess that's what happens when

655
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Speaker 1: you do last names other and fifty others men and women.

656
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Speaker 1: And this is like the main thing that I keep

657
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: running across it's always one guy written down in history,

658
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Speaker 1: and so I had to I just want to shout

659
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Speaker 1: out Luisa Cavada, who has written down as some guy's

660
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: wife during all this struggle, even though she was as

661
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: much a fucking part of it. She outlives these whatever. Anyway,

662
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: they his wifeed her. Oh yeah, they his wife her.

663
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Speaker 1: At least they gave her name, which is like lucky,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even going to give his name.

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Speaker 3: He's the story story, Luisa. Yeah, this story does not

666
00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: pass the Bechdel test.

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Speaker 1: No. No, they go around. They terrorized the land of

668
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: elite in the country after someone drained a lake and

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Speaker 1: displaced fifteen hundred peasants. They go around and they expropriate

670
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: the huciendas, which are basically the plantations. And they're not

671
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: just like looting, right, They're not just like, oh, we're

672
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: going to take all this stuff, right, because there's a

673
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Speaker 1: lot of bandits in Mexico throughout all this time and

674
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Speaker 1: who sometimes do cool things, sometimes do shitty things. But

675
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: instead they divvy up the land and give it back

676
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: to everyone so that everyone has an equal opportunity to

677
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: grow food and live. This makes them popular. If you

678
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: want to know a way to be popular. You find

679
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: someone who has like ten million acres and you take

680
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: it from him with a sword and then give it

681
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Speaker 1: to everyone.

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00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: Great strategy, I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of folks who joined them did so

684
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: specifically because they were like, oh, finally we can do

685
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: things the old way again, right and having communal land

686
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: practices and all the stuff that they grew up with

687
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: their families grew up with a slight majority of this crew,

688
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: the like fifty plus people get away. In the end,

689
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: many see death by firing squad or die in battle.

690
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: Chavez gets executed. His last words are long lived Socialism.

691
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: His death in eighteen sixty eight didn't stop the rebellion

692
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: because he wasn't in charge. It went on twice as

693
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: long without him as it did with him. And three

694
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: of the survivors of his band, including our girl Louisa,

695
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: they go to Chiapas in southern Mexico and they get

696
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: involved in the indigenous uprisings there of eighteen sixty nine. Basically,

697
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: they show up and give weapons trainings, and folks are

698
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: like and they give weapons trainings and like, all right, now,

699
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: what should we do? Whatever you decide to do, We're

700
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: in it, which was attack those who have stolen all

701
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: the land for themselves and distribute it fairly again. So

702
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: they go and do that. And it was this agrarian

703
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: movement of combined anarchist and indigenous and anarchist indigenous struggle

704
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Speaker 1: that influenced the later movement of Emiliano Zapata is a

705
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: revolutionary war hero will be part of another week's episode,

706
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Speaker 1: but we can't don't have time to get to him

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Speaker 1: this week, And I'm sad. This was almost like a

708
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: six parter that I dragged you into and then realized

709
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: I should not do that, I should divide it in

710
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: a more natural way. And therefore this struggle in Chiapas

711
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 1: influenced the pata and then influence the Zapatistas, who now

712
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: control huge chunks of Chiapas in an autonomous way. So

713
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Speaker 1: that's fucking cool. And you know what else is cool

714
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Speaker 1: is increasing your sex appeal thirty two percent.

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Speaker 3: You know what's cooler, magpie having no ads, which automatically

716
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Speaker 3: increases your sex appeal by like, I don't know, two

717
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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty two percent.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: People want to hand you the ox cord if you

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Speaker 1: have cool Zone media on free which you can have

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Speaker 1: by Do people still use ox cords the Bluetooth?

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Speaker 3: I would say it's I would say it's both.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, both. If you go to Cooler if you just

724
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: google Cooler Zone Media and you have an iPhone, you

725
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: can get all of this without ads by subscribing, and

726
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: if you have an Android you can wait a little longer.

727
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: Or her ass Sophie online because Sophie responds really well

728
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Speaker 1: and it certainly won't include you in the three hundred

729
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: that she will sacrifice on Good Friday.

730
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Speaker 3: More understanding why I have the nickname I have Now.

731
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Speaker 1: When I think about executing three hundred prisoners on Good Friday,

732
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: how is that not just literally blood sacrifice to the god?

733
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Speaker 3: I mean, you're not wrong, like it is. It is

734
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: like a weird version of the wicker Man, but in mass.

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Speaker 1: And reverse because the Wickerman killed a cop. They did,

736
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Speaker 1: they did, they did, they did. I just saw that.

737
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Speaker 1: I just saw the original in theaters.

738
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Speaker 3: I went with Sarah Marshall, Oh my God.

739
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Speaker 2: And it wolves.

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Speaker 1: They like they like they Wickerman are from yeah about

741
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Speaker 1: basically they're still being Pagans on Ireland. In England.

742
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Speaker 3: They like anoint the It was amazing. They like anoint

743
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: the cop by rubbing their blonde hair on him, and

744
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: then they burn him alive.

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00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: Yeahah, like I like my favorite medieval song.

746
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Speaker 3: They like like they were so ahead of their times.

747
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Speaker 3: They're like, you know what would be really cool, Let's

748
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 3: barn a cop. And in wicker And in nineteen seventy

749
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Speaker 3: two or three or whenever it came out, people are like, whoa,

750
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Speaker 3: that's really scary. And then they played in twenty twenty

751
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Speaker 3: three and people are like.

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Speaker 1: It's fucking based. Okay, but it's it's supposed to be horror,

753
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: but it is the funniest movie I've seen in a

754
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: very long time. And they're all just like like horny, yeah, yeah, anyway,

755
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Speaker 1: here's some horny ads.

756
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Speaker 3: This isn't this is become a plug for nineteen seventy

757
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 3: threes for the wicker Man. And if I could anoint

758
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Speaker 3: somebody with my blonde hair, I fucking was.

759
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Speaker 1: And we are back. So the cities didn't want to

760
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: be left out of all of this burning cops alive.

761
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Speaker 1: I mean social struggle, and social struggle has always looked

762
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: different in cities in the countryside. So in the city

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Speaker 1: you get the start of the labor movement in eighteen

764
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Speaker 1: sixty five, you get what's called the first strike in

765
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Speaker 1: Mexican history. This isn't true except by a technicality. Every time,

766
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Speaker 1: every book is always like the first, the biggest, the longest,

767
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: like some super superlative, and I always google it and

768
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: it's never true. But this one might be true by

769
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: a technicality, because there was a strike in New Spain

770
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: ninety nine years earlier among silver miners. But eighteen sixty

771
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: five you get the start of the modern Mexican labor movement.

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Speaker 1: And this was anarchist at two different textile plants, one

773
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Speaker 1: of men, one of women in Mexico City. On June tenth,

774
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Speaker 1: eighteen sixty five, the government showed up with rifles and

775
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: they shot people and the strike was broken, so they

776
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: all gave up.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: In eighteen sixty eight, the struggle moved to Tolonta Pontla

779
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: de Bas, which used to be more of its own

780
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: city but is now part of the greater Mexico City area.

781
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Speaker 1: And you have four factories of anarchist textile workers. I

782
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: believe all women who go on strike. Before the strike,

783
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Speaker 1: they worked fourteen hour days in the summer, twelve hour

784
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Speaker 1: days in the winter. They were allowed five minutes each

785
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: day to eat. It's sony because things are so bad

786
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: right now, and so there's all of this like rise

787
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: of the modern labor movement. I'm really excited about it,

788
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: and I still like sometimes read all this stuff and

789
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, I mean, we just shouldn't let things get

790
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: this way, right, But it's like that's not sure. I know,

791
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: people will work fourteen hour days and shit and just

792
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: have to do fucking a million different jobs and like

793
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: drive uber eats and shit. I don't know whatever. Anyway,

794
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: it's fucking bad, so they strike. They win. This is

795
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: the first successful strike in Mexican history. Again, skeptical first,

796
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: but whatever, it fucking rules. After this, anarchist projects crop

797
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: up everywhere. It's mostly put folks pushing for worker cooperatives

798
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: and the socialist groups. They let any worker in, and

799
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: they even allow some employers. And you can only be

800
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: in the socialist group if your employees vouch for you

801
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: as like actually a decent boss, right oh hell yeah yeah.

802
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: And it's like it's mostly these artisans, like some shoemaker

803
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: who hires assistance or whatever is like, hey, like I

804
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: want to be part of this too, and just ask

805
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: the assistants. They're like, all right, well are they cool,

806
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: and people are yeah, they're cool. So so the Iron

807
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: Dragon you can be in.

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00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was just gonna say that should

809
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 3: just be like normal, that's how that should be. Yeah,

810
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 3: Like if you're uncool, you don't get to be in

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Speaker 3: the group.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

813
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: It's like, you know these corporations at Post stuff about

814
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 2: like how they're so you know, their allies or whatever,

815
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Speaker 2: and then they don't pay their workers living wage and

816
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 2: it's like okay, cool, well how about you do that first?

817
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and then we'll be like, hey, you're cool,

818
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 2: and then you're not cool. Yeah exactly, you're just not.

819
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Speaker 1: Your trans employees want to eat food every day. It

820
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Speaker 1: turns out.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy, that's insane. Come on, yeah, that's too much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah wait, I think you just called secretly just called

823
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Speaker 3: me cool.

824
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Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no. One day we're going to do

825
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: the Sophie episode, the episode about cool Zone media where

826
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Speaker 1: we won't say aloud who is the bad person on

827
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Speaker 1: it because it would break me as heart.

828
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Speaker 3: But oh my gosh, it's the last person I thought

829
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: you were going to say.

830
00:44:54,360 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why it's funny. The read in Black Flag

831
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: became the primary symbol of the Mexican labor movement. At

832
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: this point, women's rights became central to the was central

833
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: to their platform the entire time, which it fucking better

834
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Speaker 1: have been, because it was women who were the first

835
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: ones throwing down. And then, of course twentieth century labor

836
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: historians didn't bother writing down their fucking names. So I

837
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: have a hard time writing them back into it.

838
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: Shout out to Louis Islence again.

839
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: I know, I know. And once we get to the Maganesis,

840
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a few more women by name, literally,

841
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: because the most recent and best book about the Maganistas is,

842
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: which I'll talk about in a bit. Actually, someone already

843
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: did the work of writing all the women who were

844
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: central to the story back into the fucking story. The

845
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: first two books I read about the Maganestas fucking didn't anyway. Whatever,

846
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm not bitter, Wait, yeah, I am okay. In the meantime,

847
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: our man portfolio Diaz, the hero Sinco de Maya. He

848
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: is not our man. He is a fucking bastard, not

849
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: even a baddie, as I have learned, He's just a bastard.

850
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 1: He comes to pass.

851
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: Let's let me see if he's a baddie. How do

852
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: you spell his name?

853
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: Oh? Portfolio okay, so po r f I r io.

854
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: Okay cool. Oh he is not a battie, you know,

855
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: he's definitely not a batty. He's a bastard.

856
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, Kata is confirmed.

857
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 3: Kata is confirmed.

858
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm double checking and I agree completely. So

859
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: he sucks. He runs on a like I'm a cool

860
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: liberal and I'm the guy from Cinco de Mayo, you

861
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: should vote for me. And he runs on a no

862
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: one should be president twice campaign, and that's like his

863
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: whole thing. He loses a couple of times, so he

864
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 1: stages a coup and then wins, which is a way

865
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: that people in the US have tried recently to win.

866
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 1: But he becomes a dictator for more than three decades.

867
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Speaker 1: He absolutely does not keep to his no one should

868
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: be president twice thing. He just slowly extends the like

869
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: how long the pre it's allowed to be president. Basically,

870
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: it'll take a revolution to knock him out. He is

871
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: sometimes called a constitutional dictator because technically he was just president,

872
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: but he rigged every single election. He jailed and killed

873
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: his opponents. His legislative branch didn't have any real power.

874
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 1: He was a fucking dictator. And you can totally tell

875
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: the tone of what Mexican history thing you're listening to

876
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: based on how they treat this guy. There's a lot

877
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: of people handwave about like, well he brought stability and prosperity,

878
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: and then people are like everyone starved to death under him.

879
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: He literally just increased, like the GDP, right, the actual

880
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: wages for people went down under him. Everyone was poorer

881
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: and more fucked than during the like decades of chaos.

882
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: I don't really like him, is what I'm trying to say, Margaret.

883
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: Have you considered that maybe the rich people really benefited

884
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 2: from that system? Huh?

885
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: Oh there were winners.

886
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So you can't be mad. You know, you

887
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: got to take someone, Yeah, takes them? Yeah, whatever the

888
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: other one is, I'm tired.

889
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: And also he was he was mestizo. He was he

890
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: was not entirely white. And although he hired a bunch

891
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: of race scientists that he called his Scientific Council or

892
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck who claimed that Mexico needed the European

893
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: race to rule it, and he removed limits on land

894
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: ownership and seized even more fucking land from indigenous people

895
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 1: causing huge uprisings, one of which I the Yachi people.

896
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: I want to like, I think that might be a

897
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: totally separate thing. I thought about diving more and more

898
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: into them, but then the more I dove down that

899
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: rabbit hole, I was like, this is his own fucking

900
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: amazing story. Does this?

901
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: Does this fucker like die painfully? Like what's happening?

902
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I remember how the person who replaces

903
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: him dies. I don't, off the top of my head,

904
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: don't remember how he dies. I know, which means it's.

905
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: Probably all exiles.

906
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: Cool. Okay, Wait one we're finding out because this is

907
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that.

908
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're talking about someone who truly fucking sucks. And

909
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, where does the come up in?

910
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

911
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 3: That usually doesn't happen in history. I mean he died

912
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 3: in exile in France. Yeah, I want to see how

913
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 3: he died. Yeah, because being exiled and then you're in

914
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: France not that.

915
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: Bad, mainly to old age study doc.

916
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, damn it, magpie, I mean exile. Cool.

917
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: Oh, officially this is from Britannica. Officially, he died of

918
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: a heart attack that it was speculated he'd been murdered

919
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: by prison guards or died of medical neglect.

920
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: Yes, there it is, baby like, No, this is totally

921
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 3: this is a different person.

922
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 1: Character.

923
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 2: I got it. He just had that with Paris, probably

924
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 2: got like a stipend or something.

925
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 3: Fuck this Yeah, oh I was excited, all right, all right,

926
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 3: fucking old age.

927
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the before I ideas, it's called the porfiato porfuriato.

928
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: This period he modernized Spain and offered its stability by

929
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: killing everyone he didn't like. When he first came to power,

930
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: he ran as a liberal right originally, and so the

931
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: moderate socialists supported him because he made vague promises about reform.

932
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: He kept none of them. The anarchists, of course, didn't

933
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: support him. They didn't support his opponents either, They supported

934
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: not having a ruler. Fortunately, the split didn't last too long.

935
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: After Diaz comes to power and he shows his true color,

936
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: the socialists are back to being united and people, you know,

937
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: they get together and they're like really excited about all this,

938
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: but they're actual actions. The socialists actual actions, both labor

939
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: actions and the agrarian revolts are met with brutal repression.

940
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 1: From eighteen seventy eight eighteen eighty four, there are several

941
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: armed anarchists slash indigenous peasant uprisings. The ideological leaders are

942
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: killed and the movements continue. The article I read refers

943
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: to them as getting snuffed out. These uprisings. It's a

944
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: combination of executions and exile. The strikes were put down

945
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: by troops. Agrarian revolters were hunted down. Leftists were killed,

946
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: often by what was called leg or fuga. It's the

947
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: fugitive law, which means you're allowed to kill anyone who's

948
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: trying to escape, which means they're like, oh, no, he's

949
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: running away. Like literally, as long as you shoot someone

950
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: in the back, it's legal, which is a pretty wait.

951
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: Escape from Mexico no.

952
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: Like escape from captivity. Like if a cop comes up

953
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: to you and he's like come with me, and you're

954
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: like I don't wanna, then they can be like, ah,

955
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: well now I get to kill you. Right.

956
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: Oh that's so strange and only happens in this one time,

957
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: I know.

958
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: That's what's Yeah. Ten thousand people met their death to

959
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: leif fuga. The only place that I get so angry

960
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: about that. I hate whenever people are like, but he

961
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: was running away, and you're like, do you hear yourself,

962
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: Do you hear what you just said? Like? Why would

963
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 1: that anyway? Whatever? Okay, the left doesn't give up anarchist

964
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: ideas wind up influencing a huge number of the later

965
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: revolutionary leaders. Many go on to advocate for states. They

966
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: but even the revolutionary leaders who advocate for states, they

967
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: end up more focused on regional autonomy and land reform

968
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: as a result of all of this socialism, and eventually

969
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: the left goes into decline under Diaz because open organizing

970
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: is just too fucking dangerous. Everyone's just being murdered. There's

971
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: all these wildcat strikes, particularly among textile workers who just

972
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: fucking rule and just keep wanting to strike no matter what.

973
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: Until we get to the main point of the story,

974
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: until we get to a grouchy and unpleasant man who

975
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: put his entire life, body, and soul into the movement.

976
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 1: He wound up being called the forefather of the Mexican Revolution,

977
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: even it wasn't anything like the revolution that he fought for.

978
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: Until we get to the Maganistas. This would be where

979
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: we make you wait till next week. But there's more,

980
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: because I naha a lot in this one.

981
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: Let's get it.

982
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 1: Ricardo Flores macgone was born in Ohaka on September sixteenth,

983
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: eighteen seventy three. His father was indigenous from the Zappa

984
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: Tech people, and his father had been a soldier but

985
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: was cut off from his pension when the bureaucracy was like, oh,

986
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: we like totally lost the records that you fought you

987
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: should bring those records. But the dad lost his pension

988
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: records as well as his first wife and his mother

989
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: in law to a house fire. Mcgone's father had a

990
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: really fucking rough life.

991
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 2: That's so sad.

992
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he common in law Marys Ricardo's mother, who

993
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: is Mestizo, part Indigenous, part Spanish, one white ancestor. But

994
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: that's enough to like elevate you in the social weird

995
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: hierarchy classes. His parents were common in law married. They

996
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: never had a ceremony or anything official, I think because

997
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: of not really wanting to have much to do with

998
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: the Mexican state. And Ricardo grew up understanding that the

999
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: indigenous forms of mutual aid, where no one in his

1000
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: town was rich and no one in his town was poor,

1001
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: was the way the world ought to work. He grew

1002
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: up in a town with no judges, no jails, and

1003
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: no cops, and he's basically like, obviously this Diez's appropriation

1004
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: of rural lands meant that capitalism was creeping ever closer

1005
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: to what Ricardo saw as his anarchist, communist indigenous upbringing.

1006
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: There was actually an uprising there. This is after he

1007
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: leaves right like right near the birth town where he

1008
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: lived for a little while. That is interesting enough that

1009
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: I want to stick it in. The folks there were like,

1010
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: we don't like our priest. We like our local holy figure,

1011
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: who is a teenage healer named Teresa Area, the Saint

1012
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: of Kabora. And so they're like, we don't want the

1013
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: Catholic church. Fuck off, We've got our saint. So they

1014
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: kick out the priest. The state burns down the village.

1015
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: They kill three hundred people. They just destroy this village

1016
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: for kicking out the church. The survivors flee to the US.

1017
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a cool story. It's interesting. The

1018
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: survivors flee to the US, including Teresa, who continued to

1019
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: organize against the Diaz regime support union activity. She go

1020
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: around on like speaking tours and then she give all

1021
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: of her money to the poor. She dies of friend

1022
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: of the pod tuberculosis in nineteen oh six, and it

1023
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: took me. As I mentioned, the third book I read

1024
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: to read about the women related to any of this uprising,

1025
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: and that book that I recommend to everyone is called

1026
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: Bad Mexicans by Kelly Leidel Hernandez. That is the book

1027
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: to read about maganestas. It's worth reading. Like there's some

1028
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: other books that like collect the writings of a lot

1029
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: of these people and that's like really cool too, like

1030
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: primary source stuff. But if you want to not be

1031
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: written out of history, Bad Mexicans, this is your book.

1032
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: The older mcgon brother, his name is Hajzus, he goes

1033
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 1: to jail for writing about what happened in that uprising

1034
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: along the way before the burning of the town. Their

1035
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: father dies because he had a fucking hard life, and

1036
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: the mother moves them to Mexico City so that her

1037
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: children can get an education. Ricardo goes to law school.

1038
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: When he's seventeen, he's arrested for the first time alongside

1039
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: his brother Hazus for protesting against reelection, and he's set

1040
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: free because other protests gets so hot and demand the

1041
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: release of prisoners, and so a lot of the prisoners

1042
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: get set free, which is a thing that's happened a

1043
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: lot in history, and I think that Americans should consider

1044
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: His brother stays behind bars for a while longer. So

1045
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: Ricardo drops out of school. He drops out of law school,

1046
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: and he gets in the newspapers. First, he edits for

1047
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: the El Democrata, which was shut down by Diaz. When

1048
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: the newspaper was raided after only three months of existing,

1049
00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: Ricardo escaped by jumping out of a window. And then

1050
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: he becomes a wanderer. He has the rough six years.

1051
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: He works odd jobs. He has a job banana carrier

1052
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: and job ice vendor, and he's sending money back.

1053
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 2: So a very old timey Mexican job. Absolutely, it's like

1054
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: the equivalent of like being in New York in nineteen twelve,

1055
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: and it's like button cleaner.

1056
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly where it secretly means that you go

1057
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: into the sewers and pull the buttons out of like

1058
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: human group. Yep. And so he sends a bunch of

1059
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: money back to his mother. I believe different sources talk

1060
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: about this period of his life differently. He gets into

1061
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: the CD side of life. He's drinking and gambling and fucking.

1062
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: He is both befriending and hiring sex workers. I think

1063
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: unrelated to the two. He does wind up with an

1064
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: STI that leaves him sterile during this period of his life.

1065
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: And it's during this period of life that he like,

1066
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: it's funny because they're like, during this period of life,

1067
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: he sees how bad people have it. And I'm like,

1068
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: he grew up in a town that got burned out anyway,

1069
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: but he sees just how fucking bad. And maybe it's

1070
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: because he's from more of an indigenous background that like

1071
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: where folks were able to take care of each other,

1072
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: and he sees how bad the fucking working class has it.

1073
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: So in eighteen ninety nine, he's like, all right, what

1074
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: about revolution, revolution in newspapers, let's fucking go. Also, I

1075
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: want to be a bohemian, wear all black, talk about

1076
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: politics and cafes, and read poetry. So he does what

1077
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: everyone does when they want to be a bohemian and

1078
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: they don't come from money. He moves in back with

1079
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: his mother because Margaret's are always there for you and

1080
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: we won't let you down. In nineteen what's his last name, Floresmagon.

1081
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: We're doing a batty test on this guy.

1082
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: His brother's hotter. His brother, Enrique is definitely hotter.

1083
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 3: Damn.

1084
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: If he just like didn't have the mustache, I could

1085
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 2: totally see. Oh yeah, here's his brother. His brother's definitely hotter.

1086
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 3: I like that magpipe predetermined.

1087
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, no, you were totally right.

1088
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: I look up photos of the good guys.

1089
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, they passed the batty test, especially if

1090
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: you know't you're dressing an all black hang out with

1091
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 2: your mom. Yeah hey yeah, sex workers Yeah yeah, all right,

1092
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: body approved?

1093
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I yeah, so.

1094
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1095
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: In nineteen hundred, he and Jesus start a paper that

1096
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: changes the world, is called regeneration On and it was

1097
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: mostly originally a legal paper. It covers issues the miscarriage

1098
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: of justice under Diaz because his brother's a lawyer. It's

1099
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: basically if the National Lawyer's Guild started a newspaper that

1100
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: led to the overthrow of a dictator. In nineteen nineteen

1101
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: hundred and one, people were like, what if we didn't

1102
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: have a right wing dictator and called for a liberal party.

1103
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: So they had a congress, And when they called for

1104
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: the congress that's surrounded by angry army officers. More than

1105
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty people, including Jesus and Ricardo, crossed

1106
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: the line of army officers to go openly partic pat

1107
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: in a seditious congress. Ricardo is there to speak for

1108
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: a liberal student group and for his newspaper, just to

1109
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: show how different the word liberal, like what liberal meant

1110
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: in nineteen oh one Mexico to now. The Liberal Congress

1111
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: started with a quote from the anarchist Max Stirner. The

1112
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: quote is tyrants appear great because we come to them

1113
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: on our knees. Let us rise. I feel like I

1114
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: didn't actually name this episode. Liberals ain't what they used

1115
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: to be, but that's the subtext. The guy who called

1116
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: for the conference was from a wealthy family, but he

1117
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: read a lot of Marx and Bakunin, and then he

1118
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: blew all of his inherited wealth on revolution, including running

1119
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: a book club and taking care of several destitute peasants

1120
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: who had a mind for theory and practice, which is

1121
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: likely where Ricardo started reading about anarchism. Are these book clubs?

1122
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: Which is this is what you should do. If you've

1123
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: inherited a bunch of wealth. You should pay proletarian organizers

1124
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: to live and spend their money on and tools for

1125
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: revolution and social change, whatever tools are appropriate in the

1126
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: context where you live. My favorite attendee of the conference

1127
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: was a woman named Juanna Belen Guterrez de Mendoza, and

1128
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: she was indigenous. She's from the Coxcuin people. Her father

1129
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: had been a landless rural blacksmith. She didn't know her

1130
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: birth date, but she got arrested all the time, so

1131
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: the state made one up for January twenty seventh, eighteen

1132
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: seventy five. She was arrested again and again advocating for

1133
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: mine workers like her husband, and whenever she was arrested

1134
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: and asked to write down her name on the booking form,

1135
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: she wrote to Desicion Rebellion, Yeah, that's awesome. And then

1136
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: I'm also really excited because I'm very mad. I think

1137
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: people know this. I literally have the words sedition tattooed

1138
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: on my knuckles, and I got really mad about January

1139
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: sixth because of this. I'm like really fucking bitter.

1140
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 2: They ruin everything. Fine, you know, it's just like, come on, guys.

1141
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 3: I know.

1142
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: Then her husband died and she started an anarchists feminist

1143
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: paper called Vesper, which told men they better step up

1144
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: lest the women run the revolution alone. It was like

1145
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: a whole thing in like nineteenth century feminist revolutionaries. A

1146
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: lot of it was basically being like you fuck it.

1147
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: They would like play to the machismo of the culture

1148
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: they're in and be like, you fucking cowards, we're doing it.

1149
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: Fuck's wrong with you? And I've seen this in a

1150
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: bunch of different countries. I really like it.

1151
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: That's awesome. You don't want the women to run things? Yeah,

1152
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: I get them to run the revolution with you.

1153
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Later, she's going to join a Miliano Zapata's army

1154
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: and fight in the revolution and go to her grave

1155
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty two, still fighting for land in liberty.

1156
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: She runs papers for decades. She translates Pacunan, Cropocin, and

1157
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: Prudana into Spanish. Yeah, she's at this fucking congress. Most

1158
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: of the delegates are trying to play it safe. Most

1159
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: of them are only critiquing the church or mine owners

1160
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: rather than Diaz directly, because they don't want to be killed.

1161
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: Ricardo doesn't care. He's a fucking bohemian. He takes the stage.

1162
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: He's probably wearing like a big black baggy sweater because

1163
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: that was his style at the time, and he gets

1164
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: up there and he shouts the administration of Beforeio Diaz

1165
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: is a dena FEBEs, and everyone hisses at him because

1166
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: they're like, Noah, you can't fucking say that with the

1167
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: fuck oh shit, you know, so he just yells it

1168
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: again and again, and finally the third time he fucking

1169
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: yells it, people find their courage and met a statement

1170
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: with applause and rarely like like speak truth the power,

1171
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, is like it's like one of

1172
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: these like watered down phrases. It's possible that in the

1173
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: single act, Ricardo Florismagon forced the ostensible opposition to the

1174
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: dictator to admit to all the world that they weren't

1175
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: an ostensible opposition, they were actually in opposition. He like

1176
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: this kind of okay, the revolution doesn't start for ten years.

1177
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: This is what makes everyone have to actually start working

1178
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: for it. It's also by shouting this to the rooftops,

1179
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: he basically sets it up that he's going to spend

1180
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: the majority of the twenty one years left in front

1181
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: of him in prison as a result of ten different convictions.

1182
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: I made up the number ten because I don't remember.

1183
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of fucking convictions. I just don't want

1184
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: to be give a specific And then okay, So Regeneracion

1185
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: becomes the main liberal newspaper and it calls for the

1186
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: Constitution to be respected and for Diaz to stop bringing

1187
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: the elections, and it calls to support strikes and land reform.

1188
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: So it didn't take long for Ricardo and his brother

1189
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: Hazus to go back to jail. They were apparently the

1190
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: first newspaper there we go with first to openly criticize

1191
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: not just the actions of the government, but the legitimacy

1192
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: of the government. They're also finally covering all the stories

1193
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: of sexual violence at the State and Act did and

1194
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: it was there. Hey, this particular political boss guy is

1195
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: a fucking rapist story that got them thrown in prison.

1196
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: Several of the times that macgone and one at least

1197
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: one of his other brothers go to prison is specifically

1198
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: for calling out sexual abuse and things like that from

1199
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: the Diaz regime. So they're in jail. Fortunately they only

1200
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: got two of the brothers in jail. They have a

1201
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: third brother, so Enrique, he starts publishing the paper. Jesus

1202
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: and Ricardo write for it from jail, and while they're

1203
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: in their mother dies. Marguerita's sons got her fierceness from her.

1204
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: As far as I can tell, the government had tried

1205
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: to convince her on her deathbed to convince her sons

1206
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: to give up their activism. Basically, they're like, she's like

1207
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: fucking dying, and the government's like, look, we'll set your

1208
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: sons free and they can be with you when you

1209
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: die if you tell them to just fucking stop. Her

1210
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: quote to them is, quote, tell President Diaz that I

1211
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: choose to die without seeing my sons, and tell them this,

1212
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: I'd rather see my sons hang from a tree or

1213
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: a hanging post than for them to retract or repent.

1214
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

1215
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, she fucking goes hard. What about us?

1216
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 2: That's awesome?

1217
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: From street fighting the French.

1218
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 2: To a dying mother that's going up seeing her children

1219
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,479
Speaker 2: before she's gone from this world. Yeah, because she does.

1220
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 2: How much it means to her, to so many other

1221
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 2: people and to her sons.

1222
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah awesome. Yeah, this is we'll talk about a little

1223
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: bit later, but this is the revolution that the quote

1224
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: it's better to die on your feet than live on

1225
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: your knees comes from, and it just it comes again

1226
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: and again. A few days later, her two older sons

1227
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: are sentenced to two years in Bellum prison, and Bellum

1228
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: Prison is where they actually already are, but they get

1229
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: convicted there. It's a cess pit of a prison in

1230
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: a very literal way. There's no plumbing, people shit and

1231
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: overflowing holes in the ground, and it's where they throw

1232
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: like the like people who have no like, the sick

1233
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: and the homeless and the drunks and all of that stuff. Right,

1234
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: But their paper, and the anarch of feminist paper, Vesper,

1235
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: which has eight thousand subscribers and a bunch of journalists

1236
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: and poets and has never fucking mentioned in any of

1237
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: the other fucking books, continues, and when the brothers get out,

1238
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: Jesus is like, you know what, I'm good that I

1239
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: had a fucking good run of it. I'm not turning

1240
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: my back on any of this. I'm going to be

1241
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: a lawyer, and I'm going to marry my fiance of

1242
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: eleven years who's been fucking waiting.

1243
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 2: How long were they in jail for eleven years?

1244
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: No, he goes to jail a lot. They've been engaged

1245
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: for eleven years. That particular stint was like two years.

1246
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, Jesus never becomes a radical again. He stays

1247
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: a liberal and like literally a revolutionary and he ends

1248
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: up in the government of the first There's a lot

1249
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: of different governments that happen during the revolution, and he

1250
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: ends up the government post for a little while. He

1251
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: does offer his brother's legal help over the years, but

1252
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: they would get into screaming matches about how to get

1253
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: things done. Because his brothers later go anarchist and he

1254
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: stays liberal. Enrique steps up and now Ricardo and Enrique

1255
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: they take over another paper since their papers shut down

1256
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: for the moment, so they get arrested again because they

1257
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: that's what they do. They go back to bell in prison.

1258
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: A lot of the other liberals are waiting for them,

1259
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 1: including that rich guy with all the cool anarchy books.

1260
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: His name is Ardiaga, and Adiago was offered to be

1261
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: freed if he would just stop funding the revolution. They're like, look,

1262
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: you're a rich guy, just be a fucking richie. Like

1263
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: it's fine, and he's like, I'm good, fuck you, and

1264
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: stays in prison. They all get out nineteen oh three,

1265
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: and they get right back to it. Oh god, they

1266
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: all go to jail so many fucking times that I

1267
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: can't keep track of which time anyway. Then they get

1268
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: arrested and let out again, this time the government shuts

1269
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: down Vesper two, and in this whole click, Ricardo is

1270
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: the one who's remembered. He's not the strategician or the

1271
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: best writer or anything specific. Besides, he is the well,

1272
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 1: he's the most stubborn one of One of their friends

1273
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: said quote he was the prototype of the apostle and

1274
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 1: that he dazzled his comrades with his character of iron. Eh,

1275
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: soph you could be this guy. You could be the

1276
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: iron magone. Okay, all right, No, I think you're still

1277
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: the Iron Dragon. I'm sorry, Iron Dragon.

1278
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 3: But Dragon sound schooler.

1279
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dragon sounds way cool.

1280
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry the Iron Flower. Okay, anyway. Uh So, most

1281
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: people just think he's a stubborn, fucking an asshole. Frankly,

1282
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: like mcgone, does not make friends. He he converts people

1283
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: into revolutionaries, but no one fucking likes him. But he

1284
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:10,879
Speaker 1: hates cults of personality and authoritarian leadership, and he struggles

1285
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: his whole life with the fact that he wants to

1286
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: get his way in every argument and lead everything, but

1287
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: he also doesn't. Then the brothers get the best compliment

1288
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 1: any journalist can ever receive. The Mexico City Court, ratified

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Speaker 1: later by the Supreme Court declared that it was illegal

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Speaker 1: for any periodical in Mexico to carry anything written by

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Speaker 1: any of the Floresmagon brothers.

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Speaker 2: Oh that'll stop them for sure. That's the way to

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Speaker 2: stop a journal is.

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Speaker 1: Could you imagine just if someone was like, here's the

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Speaker 1: Kataboulah the lower.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be like, oh fucking sick, Like, let me

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Speaker 2: violate this as many times as possible.

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Speaker 1: Your books will sell very well.

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Speaker 2: It will sell so well, Like I just can't imagine

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Speaker 2: ever being like, oh I want these people, these journalists,

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Speaker 2: they're obviously very committed to stop writing something. Let's make

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Speaker 2: a law against them specifically, Like that would never work

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Speaker 2: in any any hero of journalism ever. Yeah, unless you're

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Speaker 2: a garbage journalist. And in that case the law is

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Speaker 2: not going to.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't have done anyeth They wouldn't have needed the

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Speaker 1: law of your garbage journalist because they would have been like, hey,

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Speaker 1: do you want to die or do you want to write?

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Speaker 1: And people will be like, I mean, do you want

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Speaker 1: to die or stop writing? The garbage journalist will be like,

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Speaker 1: I'm good, you know, Kelly, I kill me, do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So they don't want to get killed and they want

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Speaker 1: to keep writing, so they have to flee Mexico, which

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Done.

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Speaker 2: That was so cool.

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Speaker 1: But before we talk about that, let's talk about you.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about how people can see you tell the

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Speaker 1: journalists the thing you think I would know the verb

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Speaker 1: for my own job. You plug your pluggables. That's it.

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Speaker 2: Go. There are now a billion social media platforms. So many.

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Speaker 2: There are so many, and I'm so tired. My TikTok

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Speaker 2: is katmaboo. My blue sky is that too. My Twitter

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Speaker 2: is up with gazali cat. My Instagram is k Alba Gazale,

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Speaker 2: which is also my thread's account. If you go on

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Speaker 2: my Twitter, I have a pin tweet that has all

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Speaker 2: of it. I need to update my little link tree thing,

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Speaker 2: but pretty much you could just look at catabou in

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Speaker 2: the site and you'll find it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, Sophie.

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Speaker 3: You can just follo out cool zone media. That would

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Speaker 3: make me happy. Anderson is barking in the background, so

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Speaker 3: that doesn't make her happy.

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Speaker 1: No, apparently you shouldn't follow Sophie.

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Speaker 3: You should follow, Okay, Anderson, what do you want? She

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Speaker 3: wants you to follow my instagram so you can see

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Speaker 3: photos of her. Oh, okay, is that why going to

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Speaker 3: talk you how to that you can do that yourselves?

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Speaker 1: I remember which your Twitter?

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Speaker 3: That's my that's my Twitter, Oh my Twitter. I post

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Speaker 3: photos over there too.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's like Google is the actual way that

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Speaker 1: anyone's going to find anything whenever, Like someone's going to

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Speaker 1: type in Margaret Kiljoy Twitter, not actually go to at

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Speaker 1: Magpie Killjoy and that's fine, that's fine, but you should

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Speaker 1: type in Margaret Kiljoy substack because now I write too

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Speaker 1: much again and it's on substack and half of it

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Speaker 1: is free, and half of it is about my personal life,

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Speaker 1: and so it's not free because I see no reason

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Speaker 1: why you should get to read that without giving me

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Speaker 1: money to buy food.

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Speaker 2: But agreed, we'll see the EU all on Wednesday. Part

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Speaker 2: money to buy food, that's right, and read about a

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Speaker 2: personal life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean cool and.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back on Wednesday. By cool People Who did.

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Speaker 3: Cool Stuff is a production of cool Zone Media. For

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