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Speaker 1: for this one Saturday evening the Apex UFC Fight Night

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Speaker 1: but you come for that must see Women's strawweight main

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Speaker 1: event future title positioning at steak when Mackenzie durn takes

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Speaker 1: common opponent in Rodriguez Yon losing a very close three

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great question. So let's talk about Dern first.

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Speaker 3: It's probably where most people's interests would lie, giving her

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Speaker 3: The fact that you go back to the Rodriguez fight

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Speaker 3: the output, the output from Yon Chawnan is extraordinary and

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Speaker 3: Five point sixty six strikes landed per minute, man, that's

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Speaker 1: We see absolutely. Look, I watched both of those fights

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Speaker 1: I want to start with though that y'ao Shanan Marina

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Speaker 3: Yeah, upon reflection, it seemed a little bit closer than

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really fell upon rewatch that it could have

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Speaker 1: But I think, you know, really I feel like nobody won.

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Speaker 1: very quick spinning Backfitt Luke that she almost landed a

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Speaker 1: But Luke, I think even watching her loss over five

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Speaker 3: collect wrists and find dominant positions. Yes, dude, she will

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Speaker 1: And don't forget Marina almost had her choked out in

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Speaker 3: That's right. So there's certain composure. Competitively, there's good resiliency.

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Speaker 1: And that's sort of why I t that up, because

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Speaker 1: I'll give her in perole credit for what she did

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Speaker 1: For sure, I'm sorry, but using the leg to kick

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Speaker 1: Thank you for that correction. And number two, Luke, the

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Speaker 1: I've got to see more additions, more craft, She's got

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Speaker 3: There's no denying it. And this fight, just think about

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Speaker 3: Excuse me, Rodriguez, she didn't have a ton of volume,

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Speaker 3: then he locks it up. Can you imagine if Darn

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Speaker 3: went away. But she's able to change up the kind

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Speaker 3: this has to change. It has to change either by

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Speaker 3: But it would be it would truly truly add a

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Speaker 1: The impasse is, Luke, because in one sense, she's somebody

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Speaker 1: So hey, it's going to take time to add things.

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Speaker 1: But you only have to go back two fights, to

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Speaker 1: In my eyes. But Luke, I think I think there's

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Speaker 1: Little I'm a little long winded and stuff. Luke, you

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Speaker 1: to her game, meaning darn to get to that point

429
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Speaker 1: on the ground. Look, we're looking at a destroyer in

430
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Speaker 1: this division.

431
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that could be the case as well. One thing

432
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,679
Speaker 3: that Darren should really be working on is because she

433
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 3: has such difficulty with takedowns. One way to cheat the

434
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,199
Speaker 3: system if you're a grapplers to be able to catch kicks. Now,

435
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 3: Yanshaw Nan could change the way she strikes a little

436
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 3: bit if she wanted to, and just be much more heavy.

437
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 3: And obviously she has great hands and that's a big

438
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Speaker 3: I would argue maybe the dominant portion of her standing offense.

439
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 3: But still like if there was an opportunity there to

440
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,160
Speaker 3: catch those. You can really cheat the system, either find

441
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,640
Speaker 3: their way into the clinch forces, single forces, scramble force

442
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 3: your way to create back exposure, or anything like that

443
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 3: that would be big for her. But historically, to your point, dude,

444
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 3: when she tries to level change, it doesn't look great.

445
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 3: She even told us in the interview your low back,

446
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 3: her low back would be so sore, but you could

447
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 3: see it in her posture. I recently purchased on I

448
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 3: don't get it paid by them. I'm just doing this

449
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 3: because I really believe that their service is tremendous. I

450
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 3: was watching the recent John Dana her instruction on standing

451
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 3: technique on takedowns, and what he had noted was in

452
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 3: jiu jitsu, for example, everyone argues, quite correctly, it's positioned

453
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 3: before submission, right. You can't really go for the armbar

454
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,479
Speaker 3: until you are in a good position to do so

455
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 3: and a stable one and the one you can keep

456
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Speaker 3: or at least transition through. It's the same way with

457
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 3: posture before takedown in wrestling is much more important for

458
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 3: you able to keep your posture where your chest is

459
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 3: not too far forward, strong back, forehead or temple is

460
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,880
Speaker 3: attached to the torso, and you have obviously a straight back.

461
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 3: If you can keep that, that's what enables you to

462
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Speaker 3: chain forward to different ones. Watch how often at least

463
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Speaker 3: and certainly what the tape has shown, we'll see on Saturday.

464
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 3: Watch how much Durn's posture gets broken where she's kind

465
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Speaker 3: of leaning over all the way. It's just a sign

466
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 3: that there's just a lot of wrestling fundamentals that aren't there.

467
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 3: Really want to see if she can improve that, or

468
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 3: to your point, maybe she can just punch her way

469
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 3: into the clinch. Either way, something to watch out for.

470
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like to see the continued adaptations to what

471
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Speaker 1: they're doing in that striking game, and this will be

472
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: a great fight to do that because that's where Yan

473
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: is looking to fight.

474
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Speaker 3: You.

475
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Speaker 1: Uh, here's what's interesting as I as I look at

476
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Speaker 1: this in terms of advantages and experience in top level

477
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Speaker 1: competition faced it is pretty close. I'll give Dern a

478
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: slight edge. But Luke looking up and down the resume

479
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: of Yan Shannan, considering she has lost both times she

480
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: stepped up in class got stopped by as far as

481
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: but Carlo is now the champion again and that aforementioned

482
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Speaker 1: split decision with Rodriguez. I don't know, Luke, It's revisions

483
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: history a bit, but how much do we actually know

484
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: about Yan Shawnan at this point? Like the wins had

485
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: been over definitively second tier fighters in this division or

486
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: fighters on the way out, meaning Koble, Keevich and Clausa Cadela.

487
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 1: Do you feel like we've actually seen enough to really

488
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Speaker 1: consider her a true title contender?

489
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Speaker 3: Well, this fight will tell us a lot, because no

490
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Speaker 3: one that she's She's fought a lot of I mean,

491
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 3: you know, you're kind of crapping on some of these moments,

492
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: but like she'd be on the.

493
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 1: There's levels, there's levels. Look, I don't know she's very

494
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: close to this level with a victory yet, although she

495
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: fought well Withrodriguez.

496
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she fought well with Hadriguez, Asparza was kind of

497
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 3: you know, that was a nice clean win by as

498
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 3: far as she's a good fighter obviously, and then Gadelia, Kobo,

499
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 3: Keevich and Hill was all back to back to back. Me,

500
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: those are nice, those are nice wins. Those are the

501
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 3: fights they put in front of her, and she did

502
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: quite well. I would say, though on the feet, we

503
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 3: don't look at this as like an elite challenge in

504
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 3: that way. Even in the wrestling, we're not really sure.

505
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 3: We really only see this as an elite challenge on

506
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 3: the ground. And to your point, even with Kadelia, who's

507
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 3: a black belt in jiu jitsu, she's not the kind

508
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 3: of ground threat that Mackenzie durn is really nobody, as

509
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 3: we talked about kind of is so in The really

510
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: important part is after Saturday, I will say we'll have

511
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 3: a pretty clear sense she'll have face people very good

512
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: in wrestling, very good in striking, very good in overall management,

513
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 3: people with good cardio, people who are stronger, in this

514
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 3: case now elite submission skills. At this point, following Saturday,

515
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 3: you're gonna get a pretty decent read on where Yon

516
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 3: Shanonan is. The funny part about it for me, BC

517
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 3: is I go into these fights with Mackenzie Dern all

518
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 3: the time being like, man, if she can't get us

519
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 3: to the ground, she's fucking toast. And then every time,

520
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 3: like in the Hadriguez fight or in the Torres fight,

521
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 3: she finds ways to just kind of still make the

522
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 3: fight really dangerous for her opponent. And there's long periods

523
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 3: where that's not true. But then there are very acute

524
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 3: periods where it's extremely true. And so for me, it's like,

525
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 3: do I think if she can't get the fight to

526
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Speaker 3: the ground with Yan Shonnan that this is might be

527
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 3: very difficult for her. There isn't a doubt in my mind.

528
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 3: But I'm not gonna play that same game I keep

529
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: doing with Mackenzie, where you know, all that needs is

530
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 3: that one window to open. I think she's gonna find

531
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 3: it against Yan Shanon, and I don't think the's gonna

532
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 3: last after that.

533
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of agree with you on this. I'd

534
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: also like to see something she doesn't do at all,

535
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: which is calf striking, and really try to use the

536
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: potential of kicking to dissuade her opponent. But you sort

537
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: of showed your hand there, Luke. I do feel like

538
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: we're leaning Dern in terms of who's the you know,

539
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: the the at a higher stock at this moment and

540
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: what is going to be potentially very close matchup over

541
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: five rounds. Caesar Sports Book our partners have minus two

542
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: forty at the moment for durn your favorite, plus two

543
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: hundred for Shawn On So it sort of seems like

544
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: they're in the same mindset we are, so Luke. If

545
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: Dern wins, how how does she do it?

546
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: There is the potential for ground and pound. That's another

547
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 3: part of her game I'd like to see fully developed. Right.

548
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: If she can actually find these dominant positions and hold them,

549
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 3: her submissions will open up with ground and pound and

550
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: vice versa. Right, So one of the things that you know,

551
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 3: does Habib have in terms of pure jiu jitsu Mackenzie

552
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: Dern like skills, obviously has a very different game. And

553
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 3: he's a man and he's much bigger. But in terms

554
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 3: of like all the little intricacies of jiu jitsu, probably not.

555
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,239
Speaker 3: But if for mma purposes that he certainly doesn't need them.

556
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: He's adept at submissions, highly so. But he adds in

557
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: ground and bound to put everything together. But I really

558
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: believe you're asking me to answer the question about what

559
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: is likely to happen here. I think Dern is going

560
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: to have to struggle for long periods of time. I

561
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: do think we'll see an incremental, a noticeable, but incremental

562
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: elevation of both her striking and her wrestling. Not this

563
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 3: like she's arrived moment, but that okay, it's still headed

564
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 3: in the right direction for whatever that's worth, however glacially,

565
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: and I think eventually she's gonna find a way either

566
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 3: some jumping off the fence, pushing in the clinch, some

567
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: kind of trips, some kind of knockdown, whatever it may take,

568
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 3: and then she'll find the back organ on top and

569
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: then and then close the show.

570
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Speaker 1: Sometimes durn has felt overrated a lot. Sometimes she's felt

571
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: underrated in the improvement she's made. I think that's something

572
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: you nailed the early talking about the fact that it's

573
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: kind of proven so far in short bursts that her resiliency,

574
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: her toughness, her ability to mentally stay in a fight

575
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,239
Speaker 1: when things aren't going in her way. I think that

576
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: is going to play a key part here because I do,

577
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, expect both to have their ways in

578
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: their particular categories over the first three plus rounds. But

579
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Speaker 1: Luke I like her backbone to keep her in this

580
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: and fresh and always dangerous, and I like a submission win,

581
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 1: and that would obviously be the breakthrough victory Dern has

582
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: been waiting for. It would launch her, whether she'd have

583
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: to go through onrage first or not, you know, to

584
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: the to the as close to the doorstep as title

585
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: positioning as you could guess. Although did you hear her

586
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: tell us in that interview that they offered her on

587
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: droge last minute and she didn't turn that down. You

588
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: always love hearing the inside scoop. Luke on how these

589
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 1: you know, how these fall apart situations get made because

590
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: they do make a few phone calls and people you

591
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: know do throw in yes as or nose based on

592
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: their situation. But this is huge for Durham. This this

593
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: is the breakout moment, especially if she can do it

594
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: by stoppage on the flip side though, Luke, we just

595
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: talked up Yo Shannon's game. She can win this fight

596
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: if she does imagine a decision in which she's able

597
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: to avoid the dangerous positions and playing the jab game,

598
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: she can win this. What does a yan Winde to

599
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: the stock of of Dern and all this talk that

600
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: we're doing about her star bubbling up at the moment.

601
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Speaker 3: It would be a big boost for Yon. I don't

602
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 3: think it would be a terrible a terrible drop in

603
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: stock for Durnm, but it would be a setback. I mean,

604
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 3: in her defense, she's still is working on big pieces

605
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: of her game. She went to the UFC in what

606
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. It's not like she's been there forever and

607
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: she's still less than thirty, not by much, I think,

608
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: but certainly you know, on the right side of it

609
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: for the time being, and so I don't think it

610
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 3: would be that detrimental. And by the way, it's like,

611
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 3: you know, okay, to lose to Hadriguez in the way

612
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: that she did was again not itself backbreaking. Then she

613
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 3: got a rebound against Titia Torrez. If we found out

614
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: that the other portions of her game haven't been elevated

615
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 3: sufficiently for her to really, you know, bring all those

616
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: talents to bear and win, you'd be like, right, we

617
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: already knew that it would be a It would be

618
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 3: a problem in the sense that there hasn't changed over

619
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 3: time enough, but it wouldn't be anything new you learned.

620
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: She wouldn't have degraded per se in that sense. And

621
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: for Yawn, I honestly believe I again we talked about

622
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: this on Wednesday. Do you get a title shot from

623
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: this unlikely even with a stoppage. If you're going shown

624
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: on somewhere in that line, you gotta face Jessica and Drodge.

625
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: It probably feels like, by the way, if you're deduring,

626
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: this is a great setup fight for a eventual fight

627
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: with Androge. It's a much easier kind of version of

628
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: it in certain way. And then on the yon side,

629
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: I think it would put her in a number one

630
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: contender fight. I really do believe that it would be

631
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: enough of an elevation. And plus, as we talked about,

632
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: they really want to build that Chinese market to have

633
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: a star get a win like this over Dern and

634
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: then to set themselves up on the cusp of a

635
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: title opportunity. I don't think UFC would pass on that.

636
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: I really don't, Luke.

637
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: Because Dern has missed wait three times in like her

638
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: first eight fights, there was sort of talk about what

639
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: was the right division for her. To her credit, Luke,

640
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: she's turned her fitness around obviously. You could see how

641
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: much she's worked on upper body building. I mean she's

642
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: a force in there. She's a physical force. If she

643
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: ever had to or wanted to do, you see her

644
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: as somebody that could have similar success up the rankings

645
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: at the one hundred and twenty five pound division, given

646
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: that it's although the fighters are bigger, the pool's not

647
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: as deep.

648
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to see the rankings. I don't have

649
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: them up in front of me. I'm trying to think,

650
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: could she do it? Sure? Sure, I think she could

651
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: have success up the food chain there. You wonder exactly

652
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: how far, especially with the added size, because you know, yes,

653
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: there were a lot of issues at first, but don't

654
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: I don't. I tend to think that still plagues her.

655
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think we'll do with somebody with the

656
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 3: skills on the mat that she has that's going to

657
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: cover a lot of distance in terms of weight, you know,

658
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: And she talked about Gabby Garcia, who is I think

659
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: at the tail end of her competitive career. But you know,

660
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: I've seen Gabby in person with Cyborg. She's like two

661
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty pounds. Man, She's enormous. She's enormous, and

662
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: McKenzie has had some back and forth duels with her.

663
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: I think she's got the kind of game again, at

664
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: least on the ground. Obviously that would still very much

665
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: carry up to the next weight class. But it just

666
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 3: goes back to the same things we've been talking about BC.

667
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: What about the jab, what about the takedowns, what about

668
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: all those other pieces that are still kind of missing.

669
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: It's not like going to one to twenty five fixes that, right,

670
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: So that really becomes the central core challenge of her career.

671
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Look, before we get to the rest of this card,

672
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: there was a large topic that you mentioned in passing

673
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, and boy did the news sort of break

674
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: out directly after our show ended. But the UFC media

675
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: found out, I think a week ago or whenever they

676
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: tried to, would try to apply for credentials that this

677
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: specific fight night card on Saturday, the media will not

678
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: be allowed. Now on Tuesday night after the Contender Series card,

679
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: when Dana did his media scrum, his quote was, we

680
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: just figured that you guys have been so busy lately

681
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: being the media that we give you guys a night off.

682
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: You guys are here on Tuesdays, you're here on Saturdays.

683
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: We need to give you guys a break. You're welcome.

684
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: You guys just stay home, order a pizza, watch the fights,

685
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: take them in, and enjoy yourselves. There's no big secret.

686
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: We just want to give you guys a nice weekend

687
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: off of your families and enjoy yourself and quote. Now,

688
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: there were some rumors floating around related to that response,

689
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: and Mackenzie durn did media day, I think the same

690
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: day that she joined our show, Luke, and it seems

691
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: she may have let the cat out of the bag.

692
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: Let's go to that.

693
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: Videotape, no fans, no media. Do you know what's gonna

694
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: happen in there? Do you know what environment you're walking into?

695
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: Or do you have to wait till fight night to

696
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: find that out?

697
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 4: I mean, I know Mark Zuckerberg like rented out the

698
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 4: whole event, you know, so I know he'll be there.

699
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 4: I mean, but I don't know if it's just like

700
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 4: literally him and his wife, or if he's gonna have friends,

701
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: if it's just like a it will be like a

702
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: small party. I don't know, you know, but from who wanted, like,

703
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 4: you know, a main event with a crowd going to

704
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: like very very private, you know, I'm definitely like, Okay,

705
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 4: we're gonna be back, you know, like a sparing It's

706
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 4: a different type of adversity they have to get through

707
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 4: because you get distracted so easily, you know, So any

708
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 4: like commentating or anything you can if you're not focused,

709
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 4: your mind can get you know, distracted.

710
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 5: You know.

711
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 4: So I'm excited, you know, and that just makes me

712
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: more driven to put on a good show for I mean,

713
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 4: I know everyone's watching on TV, you know, but for

714
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 4: Mark and whoever's going to be there, put on a

715
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: show that's what they want to see as a show,

716
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 4: then we're going to give a show.

717
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: If you're living under a rock. Zuckerberg, the Facebook founder,

718
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: head of Luke, this was a rumor that we had

719
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: actually heard through the channels that had kind of been around.

720
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: Dana responded on Twitter to what darn said, Mark Zuckerberg

721
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: did not rent out the UFC APEX. That's total bullshit.

722
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: So Luke Thomas, let me do my best to set

723
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: you up here.

724
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: What did Adam under delete his tweet?

725
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, but so is Dana saying that No,

726
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: technically Zuckerberg didn't rent it out. We gave it to

727
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: him for free so he could put on some weird

728
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: meta verse shit. Or is Mackenzie Dern wrong? I mean,

729
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: what the hell's going on here?

730
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't know. I mean, listen, if if you're

731
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: the UFC right, let's defend the UFC here for just

732
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: a second. If you're the UFC right, WM is now public,

733
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: you have a fiduciary responsibility to potentially see if if

734
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: Facebook is or whatever meta has come calling about some

735
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: potential metaverse expansion into UFC events. You have a fiduciary

736
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: responsibility to see what that's all about, right, So if

737
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 3: it's something related to that and they're you know, they're

738
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 3: working on it, I really don't see what the issue is,

739
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: you know, especially if it's a one time thing. You know,

740
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: UFC starts routinely selling it out to celebrities or you know,

741
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: tech oligarchs or whoever, and still kicking out media. That's

742
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: a problem. Like, you know, you should not cry for

743
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: fans or media not being there once but and I

744
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: know our media doesn't really act like watchdogs, but trust me,

745
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 3: when it really matters, you're gonna want them there, even

746
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 3: for you know, events that are coordinated in this way,

747
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: trust me, because shiit pops off and it's better for

748
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 3: them to be there than not. But so if it's

749
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: just that, like, I really don't see what the big

750
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: deal is. I have to say though, Like, you know,

751
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 3: I remember when that video came out of Zuckerberg doing

752
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: his bullshit training with the fighter who was like, well,

753
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 3: I think it was Contender series or one of the

754
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: other smaller cards he made his debut on and everyone

755
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: was like, isn't it cool that Mark Zuckerberg is a

756
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: fan of MMA. I'm like, you guys are fucking frauds, man,

757
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 3: you are all frauds. Can't tell you how many people

758
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: fucking harass me over email, in my live chat, fucking

759
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: tweets and everything else Instagram about how they just can't

760
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 3: stand our tech overlords. Then one of them shows interest

761
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: in MMA, and you guys can't wait to drop to

762
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: your knees and service this guy. First of all, the

763
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 3: fuck out of here.

764
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: First of all, this want to be John DuPont is

765
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: reading your emails and is like probably watching you through

766
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: your cell phone camera right now. So that's first of all.

767
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: But second of all, yeah, that's pretty lame.

768
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: So thet thing in my life he wants to take.

769
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he's got it all, but all right.

770
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: In the spheres of there's levels to Dana White's lying

771
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: at times or promoters.

772
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: By the way, hold on, hold on, hold on. This

773
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: is the other part, dude, Dana has listen. Does Dana

774
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: sometimes tell the unvarnished, absolute, maybe brutal but important truth, Yes,

775
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 3: of course, But dude, he has lied on the record

776
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: before he has lied.

777
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: On the record, So can you trust this here?

778
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. You cannot trust this.

779
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: In that history of you know, he's a promoter, So

780
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: any promoter, boxing included, you gotta always take it with

781
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: a grainness salt. I think any CEO of any company,

782
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: everything they're saying publicly is company slanted. That's the way

783
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: it works. But Luke, I feel like this is his

784
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 1: way of being like, I'm gonna lie without technically lying

785
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: because you know, maybe he didn't actually rent it out.

786
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: That's what I feel like this is. But my issue,

787
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: or my question, I guess would be, is more about

788
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: not allowing the media, and like, I really don't care, Luke,

789
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: if that crowd is filled with third rate Paul Anko

790
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: celebrities or whatever, or or you know, UFC employees or

791
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: no crowd when I prefer crowd, Yes, I don't care

792
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: about that part. My point is if we're gonna put

793
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: UFC up there with the four major sports as they

794
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: used to call them, the Big Four, which it's kind

795
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: of become, right or you know, a fifth or six

796
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: or however you want to put it, every single sporting

797
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 1: event that's major has media at it. So actually saying

798
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: the media cannot come into this no matter what they're doing,

799
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: whether it's Zuckerberg's birthday party or whether it's some future

800
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: metaverse thing that's gonna make them trillions of dollars. Isn't

801
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: this an interesting precedent, Luke, when when the headlines are

802
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,959
Speaker 1: already filled normally with Dana talking about the scumbag media

803
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: and how they don't do anything. Is doesn't this now

804
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: like become a tryout for the future, which could be, Hey,

805
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: you know what, moving forward, no media at Apex cards

806
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: like that? Wouldn't that like where else does that happen

807
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: in sports?

808
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: Right? Well, so that's my thing. If it's a one

809
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: time thing, then for whatever reason, again we don't really

810
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 3: we don't fully know. And again if it goes back

811
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: to something related to the metaverse that meta wants to

812
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: be a part of, then I, you know, I just

813
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 3: don't really care. I don't think it's worth getting upset about.

814
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: And also it's private property, right they own the Apex.

815
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: This is not for example, well, no one wants to

816
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 3: give Dan Snyder any money, but whoever, who owns the Giants?

817
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 3: I don't even know who owns the Giants? Right? Mara

818
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: is Mara whoever. But a lot of these these owners

819
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: have to go get public funds in order to help

820
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 3: build some of these facilities and infrastructure. That's really not

821
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 3: the case with what you have here at the APEX.

822
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: So I really don't think a one time thing, if

823
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: that's what it ends up being related to the company

824
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 3: trying to figure out the future of content consumption has

825
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: to kick out the media. I don't think that's worth

826
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: really where we draw the line. But to your point,

827
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: if this is actually a tryout and they consistently do it,

828
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: you know, then I think the media would have to

829
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 3: ask itself a question about what kind of coverage they

830
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: would be willing to provide in these circumstances.

831
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: Exactly, Like we're already in the midst of weird media relations.

832
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: And I know everyone's going to go, oh you to Tulips.

833
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: Dana's living rent free in your you know, self obsessed heads. Well,

834
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: now Zuckerberg's living rent free potentially in the APEX, which

835
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: is where some of us do our work on the regular,

836
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: so we can have access, so we can fulfill our job,

837
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: so our family can eat. So it is in the

838
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: end all connected. I just want you know you, I

839
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: think it's rightful to say, Look, why okay, why can't

840
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: the media be there? You know what I mean?

841
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: Is this?

842
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, don't they first big comedy shows make

843
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: you put your cell phone in a bag, luke, just

844
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: so you don't like record it. Can't they do something

845
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: like that for the media or I guess not right.

846
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 3: I really don't know what the issue there is too. Also,

847
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 3: here's what I wondered yesterday. I was thinking about this

848
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 3: now again, maybe he didn't rent it out. Maybe Meta

849
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 3: rented it out. And it's not actually Mark, it's Meta,

850
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 3: because who the hell knows how this is all gonna go.

851
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 3: By the way, I would love nothing more for them

852
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 3: to just him just be sitt there tomorrow by himself,

853
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 3: eating like chocolate covered crickets. Like there's just the most

854
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: totally out of his fucking mind thing like this is

855
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: look at me, normal human eating crickets. You know that

856
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 3: kind of thing. But uh, I'll say this, what do

857
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 3: you think they paid? Whether it was Mark out of

858
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: his own pocket, whether it was Facebook or Meta whatever,

859
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 3: that's the.

860
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: Thing to do that for the for the UFC to

861
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: go to this level. And again, if you think that

862
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: we're stupid, you could just be like, dude, fuck you media,

863
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: thinking you're a higher power than anyone who cares if

864
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: you're allowed in or out. Okay, I'm just saying watch

865
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: the president there. So if you're going to go to

866
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: that level amid again a season when it's constantly like

867
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: Dana hates the media, then it must be a freaking

868
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: shit ton of money, Luke. And to your point, like wait,

869
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: Matt at that make that money player, as the great

870
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 1: Richard Dwyer would say. But uh, the media part is

871
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: is weird. And now if we're lying, it's weird. We'll

872
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: find know who's lying at the end of the day, Luke,

873
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: I mean I've secured an island. No you didn't. You

874
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: didn't do that either, all right.

875
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 3: It is super weird, it's crazy weird. I guess we're

876
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 3: gonna see how it goes. Let's just see. Let's let's

877
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: just see what they do. But nothing would make me

878
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: happier than old Zuckerberg just eating coins, you know, like

879
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 3: this is my normal human interaction.

880
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: Imagine him there with like eight rented women and just like,

881
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: you know, trying to look as cool as you possibly could.

882
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: Or maybe Luke, it's it'll be uh you know.

883
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: Hold on, I okay, here's what I want to know,

884
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: because there's no way they don't talk about the fact

885
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 3: that there's no fans in media there, it's just Zuckerberg

886
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 3: or whoever is going to be there with the meta

887
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: or whatever. How much are they going to force Zuckerberg

888
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 3: positive messaging on us as an audience? How much do

889
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 3: you expect?

890
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: Pretty big, pretty big? If there's a business relationship at

891
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 1: hand Disney ESPN, they're gonna, We're gonna tell us.

892
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 3: He's fucking's he's the next coming of Jesus, and it's

893
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: gonna make me want to vomit.

894
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: That's potential. I mean, but look, if maybe this becomes

895
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: a private party circuit for the elite, maybe Ramzan cadir

896
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: Off is next, then Trump and then listen.

897
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 3: If this is going to become a private circuit for

898
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: like the super elite, you know, a Russian yacht tracker, wealthy,

899
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: then they have to wear eyes white, shut masks, I rule,

900
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: you gotta wear pants.

901
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, hold on.

902
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: They're gonna do that. Ship. I got, I got, I

903
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 3: got I got something for you here BC, it's Friday.

904
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 3: Fuck it right, let's just have it.

905
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, fuck it Friday with Tucker Carlson. Yeah, let's

906
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: do it.

907
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: Okay, hold on, hold on, you ready, go on? Go

908
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: on BC for a second.

909
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: Look into my eyes, look deep.

910
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: They say it should be like it should be like this.

911
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 3: Do you get this? Do you know where this is from?

912
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: Is that a Squid Games reference?

913
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: Luke, Yes, Squid. I don't have my I don't have

914
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: a I don't have my jumpsuit on.

915
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, that would be awesome if they sat like that,

916
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: but they had like a trap hole to put like

917
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: a drink to their mouth or or a woman or something.

918
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: Look that Zuckerberg is.

919
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: Zuckerberg is gonna be like Leonardo DiCaprio in uh, what

920
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: was the what was the movie? The Quentin Tarantino Cowboy movie,

921
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: not the slave movie that he made with with Django

922
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: Djago unchained what, dude, Zuckerberg is gonna be like Leonardo DiCaprio,

923
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 3: where at the end he's like, do I hand a

924
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: hammer to one of these two guys to kill the

925
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: other one? We're like, no, we don't. We don't do

926
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: that here, sir, Please.

927
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: Relax, Thank you, thank you very much, Luke. This card

928
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: the rest of the way has some some hardcore hitters.

929
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: We we laid it out in in uh in storylines

930
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Can't wait for Slava Clause to be back.

931
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: But I like to ask you this on Friday's looking

932
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: at an undercard like this, which fight is the most

933
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: important when it comes to positioning in the rankings?

934
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 3: Wait? Say that one more time. I'm sure I understand

935
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: your question.

936
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: Which undercard fight is the most important to the to

937
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: the to the rankings and title picture of its division.

938
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 3: It's a good question. I don't have the rankings in

939
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: front of me, so I'm I'm gonna just sort of

940
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: do my best to kind of guess here. Let's see,

941
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: not the comain, certainly not that one. Sadik Yusef maintaining

942
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 3: position inside the top fifteen is interesting there. I don't

943
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 3: know where Olenk and Latifi lie, and I don't think

944
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 3: anyone else has. Maybe you could say Brendan Allen getting

945
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 3: kind of close to the top fifteen, but it's got

946
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: to be Sadik Yusef now he's facing This was not

947
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 3: the Hira's original opponent I mentioned before. Don chenis the

948
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: Cage Titans one forty five pounds champ coming in at

949
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: last minute notice or Red a relatively late notice anyway,

950
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: Sadik Yusef is a guy I've I've had my oland

951
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 3: for a while from this area. Very very talented, but

952
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: I'm looking to see if his game rounds out as well.

953
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 3: He's been off for some time. This is a big

954
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: one for him to I think at least not game

955
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: position b see, but at least maintain position.

956
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I like those fights. I like those a lot.

957
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: Look Latifi in Atlantic is going to be sloppy as shit.

958
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: What we almost need a super sloppy fight of the

959
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: week flip side Luke, which is like the Professor Salt

960
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: and Pepper technical showcase of the week. Is there an

961
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: undercard fight that just screams watch me for the x's

962
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: and o's.

963
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: For sure, Yusuf and Schenis. I think Yusuf is always

964
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: worth paying attention to. There's probably some other ones you

965
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: could go with for me. For me, Mike Davis versus

966
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: vlachiaslav borshev Old Slava Clause. Mike Davis, I think is

967
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 3: a guy who has not shown his actual full ability.

968
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: Very athletic, good wrestler. He's had a tough schedule, He's

969
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: had some tough. Uh, I think issues outside of the cage.

970
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: But when you actually just think about what his real

971
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: real upside is, I think it's pretty high. And this

972
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 3: is a good chance, I think for him to showcase

973
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: that against a very talented and tough opponent, but one

974
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: that if Mike Davis has really dialed in, I think,

975
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 3: could do dangerous things.

976
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: Look, sometimes people wonder if the UFC Women's fy the

977
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: Way division was ever actually a thing, or if it

978
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: still is. We almost have a women's featherweight what we

979
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: kind of do? It's a catchweight fight at one. When

980
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: Julia Stolrienko takes on Chelsea Chandler, you think fifty cent

981
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: will be there, Luke, I don't no, Maybe that's Chelsea Handler.

982
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, was just in Russia.

983
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: If you care, really, what was he doing there, Luke?

984
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: Trolling? Trolling? What else does he do?

985
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: Jessica Penney, Tabitha Ricci may that may be the one

986
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: that steals our hearts at the end of the night

987
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: on the on this undercard, Luke, we'll find out. Okay,

988
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: all right, thank you, it seemed pumped up. Topic number

989
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: two is Saturday night, ten pm Eastern Time. Is the

990
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: main card start only on Showtime Bellotour two eighty six

991
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: Long Beach, California. Yes, the hometown in the backyard of

992
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: one AJ McKee will be in that co main event,

993
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: but the main event. Patricio Pitpbull makes the first defense

994
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: of his most recent reign as the frotherweight champion after

995
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: defeating AJ McKee in their April rematch by close unanimous decision,

996
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: though against Adam Borich red hot four fight win streak

997
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: from hungry and Luke, you better believe he's hungry for

998
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: the title. God, I mean, you know, it's like I

999
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: stepped in it, and you know you stepped in poop.

1000
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: You can't go back inside with those shoes. You know,

1001
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: you got to just stay out there.

1002
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 3: You are, You're Dave cooler cut.

1003
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. I love this main event. The odds, Luke,

1004
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: you want me to talk to you about the odds?

1005
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me hear it all right, here we go.

1006
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: Caesars has just to piss off one of our coworkers.

1007
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 3: To make sure you read them from bet ag.

1008
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: Caesar's has it minus one p fifty Patricio Pitbull plus

1009
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: one twenty five for Adam Bordz. So Luke, there's a

1010
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: good ass fight. Patricky's more well rounded, but there's a

1011
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: legitimate size difference, and we got to give Bort's credit.

1012
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: He's coming the heck on, although there's levels and Patricio's

1013
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: as great as it gets. If Adam Borich is going

1014
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: to be a legitimate threat to grab this world title,

1015
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: what does he have to do.

1016
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 3: He has got to get pressure on to Patricio, but

1017
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 3: without being reckless, right, So you have to have a

1018
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: sustained pressure that's careful but consistent. And if you hurt him,

1019
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 3: because I've seen him hurt a number of times, Daniel

1020
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: Weischel was one that was really bad, you need to

1021
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: make sure you stay on him and and do that

1022
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 3: also in a strategic way. Pitt Bull has certainly he's

1023
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 3: the he's the best fighter in beltor history right certainly

1024
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 3: the most decorated. But he can be hurt. I've seen it.

1025
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: He can be put in bad positions, he can be

1026
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 3: cut like. He has not gotten to this position unscathed.

1027
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 3: Far from it. He has had losses and he's had

1028
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: a lot of close calls, even in those wins. But

1029
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 3: the problem that a lot of guys make is are like,

1030
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 3: oh I did it great, and then the game goes away.

1031
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 3: You need to have absolute focus from the beginning of

1032
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 3: the fight until the ref pulls you away or the

1033
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 3: referee raises your hand at the decision. You lose focus

1034
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: against Patricio, even when he's hurt, even when he's tired,

1035
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 3: he doesn't. He is combat ready at all times, and

1036
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 3: a lot of folks don't really appreciate that. So if

1037
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,959
Speaker 3: I'm a guy like Borisch, I'm in his face, using

1038
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 3: my length, using my pushkicks, all kinds of stuff, at

1039
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: least threatening takedowns at times, putting him on his heels.

1040
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 3: But I'm mindful of distance, not playing inside of Patrico's

1041
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 3: boxing range or any of his kinds of combinations which

1042
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 3: he uses to shore up that range. That is where

1043
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 3: all the problems happen when you fight a guy like that.

1044
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: I agree fully with that. And by the way, Belator

1045
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: did tweet out that all media is welcome to this event, Luke,

1046
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: if they can't, you know, go to the other people's

1047
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: one that night. When it comes to what bores can

1048
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: do on the feet, we know great kickboxer is going

1049
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: to have those potential distance advantages when it comes to

1050
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: height and reach. But look, there's no hole really in

1051
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: Pitpull's game. And if this fight goes to the ground,

1052
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: are we I mean, is this a spot where Borch

1053
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: can get into a legitimate trouble.

1054
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: Yes, Remember what's the best submission for a guy like that,

1055
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: the guillotine. His guillotine is lights out man. He catches

1056
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 3: so many people or at least threatens with it. And

1057
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 3: he has pretty good scrambling. It's not like immediate scrambling,

1058
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 3: but he is hard to hold down for long periods

1059
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: of time. He's a black belt in jiu jitsu himself. Yeah,

1060
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 3: that could be a big problem. Here's what I think

1061
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: is the one X factor, or at least you know

1062
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 3: one position to really pay attention to BC. There is

1063
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: a pretty substantial height differential. I think you read it.

1064
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 3: Maybe you didn't. The height as listed five to eleven

1065
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: for Adam Borich and for Patricio. I think he's like

1066
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 3: five to six. Yes, you have a pretty significant height advantage,

1067
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 3: and you've got a guy in Borich who likes knees.

1068
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: Pay attention to that. Dan Hooker is a guy who's

1069
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: got his limits, but when he's shining with his knees,

1070
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: he uses it in all kinds of ways. Almost like

1071
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 3: an uppercut in short range. He doesn't do a lot

1072
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 3: of flying knees, but he can do that as well.

1073
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: A guy like Borich does loves the flying switch knee,

1074
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 3: loves the flying jump knee, loves to use knees inside

1075
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 3: the clinch where you can really pull down on someone's

1076
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 3: posture wear, on the back of their head, wear, on

1077
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 3: the back of their neck. That is something that could

1078
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: be an interesting place. And Patricio could get caught up

1079
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: in there as well and hurt and dropped. I want

1080
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 3: to see how much that actually plays a role in

1081
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: this fight. Is Borich able to bring it to that position,

1082
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: and if he is by getting inside of that boxing range,

1083
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: because you're gonna have to get through that space to

1084
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 3: get there, how much he can really leverage that. Because

1085
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: if that's a weapon for Borich, if it's something he

1086
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 3: can consistently find in this fight, you might have a

1087
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 3: new champion on your hands. That is a real thing

1088
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 3: to watch.

1089
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes you want to bite at the upset

1090
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: here because Borch is that good. He's very strong, and

1091
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 1: you know, look Aj told us his fear is that

1092
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: Piple wins this fight and then retires. You know, I

1093
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 1: watched the media day interview. It didn't feel like any

1094
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 1: of that was in the mind, right. I mean that

1095
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: was that he's talked about somewhat regularly. Never never quite pulled,

1096
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: never quite did that. But so this is more of

1097
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 1: the potential trap because of the opponent. But we need

1098
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: Bortz to do something that even in this win, Like, look,

1099
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: he's so solid, but do you feel like he's got

1100
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: to stop Pitbull to win this fight? Like, does he

1101
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: have that extra gear? I know he stopped Pico, He's

1102
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: had some good moments, but like, had he entered this

1103
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: coming off stopping a guy like MADD's Brunell, I would

1104
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: have higher hope. I think he's very very good to

1105
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: be in this fight, and you know, given the agent

1106
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: knowledge on Pitbull, one of these days it's going to

1107
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: slow down a bit. He might need a stoppage here though,

1108
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: to actually do this.

1109
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he might. I mean, do you really see him

1110
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 3: consistently finding the back, for example, of a guy like

1111
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 3: Pitbull and then controlling him from there. That seems unlikely

1112
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 3: to me. People are wary of getting close to Pitbull

1113
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 3: because for very good reasons, as we mentioned, is guillotine

1114
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 3: his lights out he's good at defensive wrestling when he

1115
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: needs to be up against the offense, for example or whatever,

1116
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 3: and of course he'll punch your fucking lights out. His

1117
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 3: power carry is big in this weight class, so people

1118
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: are usually wanting to maintain some space on him. I

1119
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 3: think you have to be all the way in on

1120
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: a clinch or all the way out at kickboxing range.

1121
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 3: That's what I'm gonna look for. So if I had

1122
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 3: to guess, Becuse, he's not a direct answer to your question,

1123
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 3: but if I had to guess, that is where the

1124
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 3: two spaces are likely to be successful for a guy

1125
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 3: like Borich, if he's at all able to be successful

1126
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: just holding him down or controlling him. It's not like

1127
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 3: Boris has a bad ground game, right, He's actually got

1128
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 3: a pretty good ground game defensively. But does he have

1129
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 3: a special enough ground game to consistently put a guy

1130
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: like Pitbull on the ground and then control him there

1131
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 3: for durations of the other round slash about I'm skeptical,

1132
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 3: I don't think.

1133
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm certainly skeptical of that. If it's stayed

1134
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: on the feet for all five rounds, you'd love his

1135
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: chances to compete. You don't know if that would be

1136
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: enough alone, but if the fight goes to the ground,

1137
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: even with his improved to Pipple's too dangerous down there.

1138
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: And Luke, Let's not forget pit Bull did bring in

1139
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 1: some offensive wrestling against McKee to win that very close rematch,

1140
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: which let me stay right here for a second, that

1141
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: rematch aj McKee Pitpull two earlier this year, Like, what

1142
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: is your takeaway from what we should have learned from that?

1143
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: Like it was a it was a gritty flip of

1144
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: the switch for Pitple to get stopped almost instantly in

1145
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: the first fight and then win a high IQ you know,

1146
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: gritty technical rematch. But there are ways you could almost

1147
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: look at that fight as a disappointment and maybe neither

1148
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: guy showed out. How do you know, kind of gauge

1149
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: what we're how we can learn from what that happened there.

1150
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 3: So clearly pit Bull is the king of I won't

1151
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 3: say well rematches, but you know, he's had some trilogies

1152
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 3: and quadrilogies and whatnot. But his veteran so his overall

1153
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: skill development and his veteran savvy enabled him enough to

1154
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: make changes in terms of strategy and execution from fight

1155
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 3: one to fight two that made the difference in the bout. However,

1156
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 3: I am of the belief that now McKee thinks he

1157
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 3: won that night. I don't. I don't think he won

1158
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: that night. I thought Pitbull won that night close, but

1159
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 3: I thought he won. However, and maybe you disagree, bec

1160
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 3: and if you do, by all means tell me. I

1161
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 3: did not feel like that was aj McKee's best showing.

1162
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 3: I thought that was a very good and impactful, well

1163
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 3: designed plan from Pitbull, because that's what he can do.

1164
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 3: I thought McKee didn't give it as much thought and

1165
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 3: consideration as he could have and paid the price for it.

1166
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: You agree, I fully agree.

1167
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: I think it was. It was a setback for McKee,

1168
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: not in in terms of the performance with the expectations,

1169
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: maybe even at some points the game plan, because I

1170
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: did have Pitbull winning. I had three rounds to two.

1171
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: By the way, two of those three judges had it

1172
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: much wider. I think they had it like four to one.

1173
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: So in hindsight, I think, you know, it was Pitbull

1174
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: who at least showed out in the sense that he

1175
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: was able to turn the result in his way, and

1176
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 1: he did some veteran you know, tricks to get there.

1177
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: And I still think we got thirty five of his

1178
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: stock is strong. But here's the thing. Look, I think

1179
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: he will be challenged here. I think, hey, maybe even

1180
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 1: get hurt and dropped. Do I believe though the Borch

1181
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: is gonna get over the top. No, I like pit

1182
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: Bull even if this is you know, if this ends

1183
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: up being the last big win for him, because who

1184
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: knows what he has left or what happens here from

1185
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: here on out. I think he gets it done. This

1186
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: is his type of fight to win.

1187
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: I will join you. I am tempted to pick the

1188
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 3: upset because I do believe Adam Borisch is a very

1189
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 3: good fighter. By the way, we don't say this very

1190
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 3: often because it's not very often true, but it's true

1191
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 3: this weekend, and we should say it. The Beltzer card

1192
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 3: is better than the UFC card. Like top to bottom

1193
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 3: it is. You might like individual fights on one card

1194
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 3: better than the other, however, but like top to bottom,

1195
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 3: the belt Er card is better. I don't say that

1196
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 3: very often. UFC is almost always better, and that's just

1197
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 3: what it is, but not this weekend. It's it's a

1198
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,479
Speaker 3: bit better in their regard, and this is a fantastic fight.

1199
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 3: I do believe that Borich can give Pitbull problems. But dude, Pitbull,

1200
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 3: you know I say this. If pittbullll he wouldn't be

1201
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 3: who he is if he wasn't as heavy handed. But

1202
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 3: he is heavy handed, and Dude Borich, he doesn't take

1203
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 3: a ton of damage, but he will accept some for

1204
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 3: risk purposes. I think that might be his undoing. Man.

1205
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 3: I think belts excuse me a belto. I think Pitt

1206
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 3: Bull's gonna uncork one on him that he was otherwise

1207
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 3: willing to take, and maybe for two rounds or something

1208
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 3: did take and then all he needs is just one

1209
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 3: more of those later on and this fucking curtains for you.

1210
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 3: So I'll side with the champion. By the way, if

1211
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 3: he does go to one thirty five and captures the

1212
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 3: belt man, that's gonna be something pretty special.

1213
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: Okay, but has he actually talked about that in a while?

1214
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 3: Look, I he did, he did this week? This week?

1215
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: What did he say specifically?

1216
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: So let me pull that up now that you bring

1217
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 3: it up. I think he confirmed that's his goal after

1218
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 3: this fight. I think he said he wanted to let

1219
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 3: me find exactly where it's from. Yeah, here we go.

1220
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 3: He's gonna according to This is just a recap from

1221
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 3: MMA fighting. He told, He told, I think the whatever

1222
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 3: the podcast is that Gamrick Cruz does, I apologize. My

1223
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 3: intention is to clean the division out one more time.

1224
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 3: I'm already announcing that my next challenger of God allows

1225
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 3: and I defend the title, gets Adam Borridge. Then we'll

1226
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 3: be Aaron Pico, and then I want to defend my

1227
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 3: title twice. I won't vacate it, I'll keep it, but

1228
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 3: I'll try to keep I'll try a shot at one below.

1229
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 3: I'll try to be the double champ one more time,

1230
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 3: this time going down instead of up. So he wants

1231
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 3: this fight, the Peico fight, and then he wants bea.

1232
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: Well that shows you that he's not going anywhere anytime

1233
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: soon unless he, you know, loses a whole bunch in

1234
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: a row. That's good because that plays into Luke. I

1235
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: think how we're sort of framing what the presentation on

1236
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: this card is trying to tell us, being that in

1237
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: the co main event, AJ McKee, who will appear for

1238
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: the first time since losing that rematch to Patricio Pitpoll,

1239
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: is going to be in his hometown. But in the

1240
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: co main event same card, in which is chief rival

1241
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: will be in the main event, So AJ McKee's going

1242
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: to take on Spike Carlisle. He's been a big favorite

1243
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: this whole time, rightfully, so right now though, minus four

1244
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: forty on Caesar's plus three forty for Carlisle. But Luke,

1245
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: here's what's most interesting about this fight. Week in the

1246
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: I thought we were heading in here with the idea

1247
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: that if Pitbull and McKee went, which is very possible,

1248
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: we run it back a third time at featherweight for

1249
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: the title. AJ told us, uh, the only fight I'd

1250
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: ever cut back down to forty five to four is

1251
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: that trilogy fight on Finished Business. But now we got

1252
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: Patricio reiterating his idea to potentially move to bantamweight, and

1253
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: we do have AJ in his first fight at lightweight.

1254
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: The same week that Scott Coker broke the news on

1255
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: MMA Fightings, the MMA hour that developed our twenty twenty

1256
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: three is going to uncork a lightweight Grand Prix tournament.

1257
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: So now I've got to ask you how much does

1258
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: that news change the narratives entering this card and how

1259
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: we thought we might exit it.

1260
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so McKee said he'd only go back to

1261
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 3: one forty five to fight Patrico, but it sounds like

1262
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 3: Patrico doesn't have designs on that, so who knows what

1263
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 3: they can make him do. But let's just sort of

1264
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 3: figure this out. You got this tournament and then he

1265
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 3: let's say Patricio does win, fight's Peko then goes to

1266
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: one thirty five. So that's done. What does it do

1267
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 3: for their one to fifty five division? I think it

1268
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 3: needs a little of a jump. So I think the

1269
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 3: call to do the tournament is right. I think McKee

1270
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 3: would be they have to put it. I guess what

1271
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 3: I'm asking is what would Nimberga Madoff also be in

1272
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 3: the tournament? He would, right, They would make the champion

1273
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 3: defend through the tournament, right, Well, first.

1274
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: Of all, Patricky's got to fight him.

1275
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 3: The sum Yeah, right, hold on, let me let me

1276
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 3: dead wrong myself, I am working under the assumption that

1277
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: Nimberga Madoff eventually wears the belt.

1278
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: Sorry, yes, So look, I was hoping Patricio would also

1279
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: join in, and I would hope Patricky wouldn't the same.

1280
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: And I know he's say they can't fight each other.

1281
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: I hate that bullshit they say differently, although remember Archileta

1282
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: told me I'm getting played, okay, but let's let's remove Patricio.

1283
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: You gotta make AJ if you're belat or the center

1284
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: of this. It's really smart match making to reinvent him

1285
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: now in a second division. And Luke, if both guys

1286
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: are going to be around, imagine that trilogy, you know

1287
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: after if AJ wins the title and then you get

1288
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: Patricio back in their third time, you know, or what

1289
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,959
Speaker 1: if he fights Patricia? Nah? What if he fights brother first?

1290
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: On the way there, I'm just saying emotional wise, I

1291
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: don't hate this, Luke, I don't hate this. I think

1292
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: there's an argument there. I don't think you need to

1293
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: rush back the trilogy. If this is now the new plan,

1294
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: I like it.

1295
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, but the brothers are not fighting each other.

1296
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 3: I know we asked him about that, and I know

1297
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 3: I forget that.

1298
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 5: Boy.

1299
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 3: They have kind of played with the idea that, you.

1300
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: Know, talking about this matchup. If they did a third

1301
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: time for the lightweight title, wouldn't that bump things up?

1302
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: The meaning of it? I mean, we're asking mckiy to

1303
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: win the tournament. But you get my point, right?

1304
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I just think I'm sorry, I don't really

1305
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 3: see it as likely. I just don't. I just don't.

1306
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 3: But for folks wondering who could be in this tournament,

1307
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 3: BC here of the top eight?

1308
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, what are you saying isn't likely? You

1309
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: don't think it's likely that McKee could win the tournament

1310
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: and then his first defense be against Patricio for the trilogy.

1311
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 3: Timing wise, I don't know. I don't even give that

1312
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: any consideration, whatso. Okay, but if for folks wondering who

1313
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 3: could be in the tournament, here's I don't know who

1314
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 3: they're going to put in the tournament, but your top

1315
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 3: eight would be Patricky the current champion, then Usbin Nriga,

1316
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 3: made Off, Benson Henderson, Tolfiku Musai of Sydney Outlaw, Brent Premise,

1317
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 3: Alexander Shabby, and then Islam Mamadov. Dude, you could put

1318
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 3: some fucking hammers in that tournament for.

1319
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could. And you put aj in there. Yeah yeah,

1320
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: they're you're you're cooking, Luke. That could be something interesting.

1321
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 3: You could sub out Sydney Outlaw, you could put Aj

1322
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 3: in there. You could even sub out Brent Premise, and

1323
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 3: you could put Gatzi Robodanov in there. So you have

1324
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 3: some fucking hammers.

1325
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm torn on what you think Beltor should do because

1326
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: we both agree McKee has to be in there, so

1327
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: that would mean we're going away from the potential trilogy

1328
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: of Patricio. I think we end up back there. You're

1329
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: saying it may not be that likely. So do you

1330
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: think this is overall the right move for Belter?

1331
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 3: I mean, you're making this all about the McKee and

1332
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 3: Pittbull show for one fifty five, and I just don't,

1333
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 3: you know, maybe Patricky is a more relevant way to

1334
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 3: think about it. I just don't. I don't. I don't

1335
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 3: really think about that when I think about this tournament.

1336
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 3: I think that they're on different tracks at this point. Yeah,

1337
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 3: one never knows. One never knows. I can't predict the future,

1338
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 3: but they're trying to develop that track as something more

1339
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 3: meaningful than what it is. The Beltar Lightwood Division has

1340
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 3: kind of always been the little brother, frankly to their

1341
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 3: one forty five division, especially since the departure of Michael

1342
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 3: Chandler and even Eddie Alvarez before that. They had they

1343
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 3: had a moment where it was pretty good, but since then,

1344
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 3: one forty five has been for a long time. I

1345
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 3: would argue their marquee division two of five's coming along now.

1346
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Daniel Strauss, baby right.

1347
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 3: They just do, and and Pat Kernan and a lot

1348
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 3: of guys before that, dude. One forty five has been

1349
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 3: a great division for Beltour, and it has been for

1350
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 3: a very long time. But one fifty five is obviously

1351
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 3: a gold mine globally, and they've got some interesting pieces there.

1352
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 3: I think it's time to really put something together and

1353
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 3: launch it for Tournament's a great way to do that.

1354
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: Look if imagine if the tournament final was Aj McKee

1355
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: versus Lousmander Maga Metov. Look, but you know, like I'm getting,

1356
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm getting weird, I'm getting.

1357
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 3: That would be they've got to be on opposite sides

1358
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 3: of the bracket. For that reason, they have to be.

1359
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 3: And I know we're messing it up by we're risking

1360
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 3: not getting that fight by doing it that way. I

1361
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:00,439
Speaker 3: don't care do it that way.

1362
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: Well, let's not give anybody a victory before it happens.

1363
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: So AJ's gonna have to fight Spike Carlile five fight windstreak.

1364
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: Since being cut from the UFC, he went one and

1365
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: two there during peak pandemic in twenty twenty he won

1366
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: his belt or debut, But Lukie, he got rocked. It

1367
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: was I mean, it was a wild fight. Spike Carlisle

1368
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: makes wild fights. This though, for all the storylines we

1369
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: talked about, is a reinvention opportunity for McKee, new weight class,

1370
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: new mindset, after going through what he said is a

1371
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,439
Speaker 1: kind of personal mental breakdown after the loss. His quote

1372
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 1: during media day was, it's the reincarnation on coming back

1373
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: from the dead, undertaker style. Luke, whether or not you

1374
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: actually play into the romanticism of that type of build

1375
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: to this, he should slice through Spike Carlile and should

1376
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: look fantastic doing so, right.

1377
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 3: Yes, he should. Carlyle is a great athlete. He is dangerous.

1378
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 3: He takes a lot of risks. He presses forward and

1379
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, that creates all these openings. It can,

1380
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 3: But even a guy who's a little on the spazy side,

1381
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 3: with an athlete the way that Spike Carlisle is can

1382
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 3: be very dangerous, very very dangerous if you're not careful.

1383
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 3: You asked that question about how would I would reassess

1384
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 3: the rematch between Patricio and AJ McKee, and certainly no

1385
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 3: one is going to say Spike Carlile deserves to be

1386
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 3: talked about in the same reverential tones as Patricio Pitbull.

1387
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 3: But we did note in that fight that AJ McKee

1388
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 3: just probably didn't do enough homework on that one. Didn't

1389
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 3: really didn't put his best foot forward. Does he need

1390
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 3: to be at his best to beat Spike? No, but

1391
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 3: he can't be unfocused either. That's not a great recipe

1392
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,439
Speaker 3: against a guy like this. Even for the major skill

1393
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 3: differential that I believe exists, I still think what I'm

1394
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 3: looking for from AJ is a focused, disciplined, dialed in

1395
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 3: elevation of all the skills he has, not kind of

1396
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 3: resorting to what he has, which he kind of did

1397
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 3: against Pitbull. And so if he does that and you know,

1398
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 3: the fight plays out, what however it does. I just

1399
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 3: don't see any real way Spike can win. But if

1400
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 3: he's not careful and he's fighting like a dumbass, which

1401
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 3: I don't expect. But if he's not dude, Spike Carlisle

1402
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 3: is heavy handed and dangerous, that yeah.

1403
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: There is something and he'll take big chances. Obviously, there

1404
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: is something that we need to see from m Key

1405
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: about the poison maturity, because he did admit to us

1406
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: that he wasn't, you know, didn't he wasn't fired up

1407
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: for the rematch. He didn't think it was He didn't

1408
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: want to do it necessarily. He thought, you know, he

1409
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: was fighting for money. And then the negotiations fell apart

1410
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: when he asked for a million per fight. He said

1411
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: he was out snowboarding. They gave him the call do

1412
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 1: the fight eight months, you know, after the first one.

1413
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: So it just didn't go. He wasn't in the right

1414
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: frame that a champion needs to be, and that's certainly

1415
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: on him. But let's see the lessons he learns at

1416
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: twenty seven the reinvention opportunity. Here here's Carlisles quotes the

1417
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: Alpha Ginger from this week. If I punch McKee, he'll die.

1418
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: If I take him down, he'll be crushed. No matter

1419
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: whatever I choose to do, it's going to be something

1420
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: he hasn't had the chance to prepare for. I don't

1421
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: need three rounds. Controlled chaos is my style. I'm a

1422
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: wild man. How does he prepare for me? That's the

1423
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: real question, uh luke. You know we love crazy fighters

1424
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: who take big chances in land them. Ricardo my Orgo

1425
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: versus Vernon Forrest on the boxing side, do you just

1426
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: go bet hit crazy? And by the way, Luke, we

1427
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: sometimes use the word spas and we got MK viewers

1428
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: that are like, you guys got to stop using that.

1429
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: It's offensive.

1430
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1431
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: If I'm offending people, I apologize. Look, I'll remove it,

1432
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: all right?

1433
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 3: This guy who is who is spaz Apparently.

1434
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they said there's a there. Apparently

1435
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: some Hollywood people have taken out of their lexicon. If

1436
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: it's insulting someone, uh, you know, certainly apologize, But Spike

1437
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: Carlisle fights in a very spastic way. You just gotta

1438
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: go for broke, right, you gotta make this freaking crazy.

1439
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, just answer the question straight up, you know,

1440
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 3: assuming McKie. Let's let's talk about a m key that's

1441
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 3: you know, there to win and focus and all the

1442
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 3: things we had just mentioned. Right, So that's the one

1443
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 3: that's the guy that spikes up against, not the unfocused one.

1444
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 3: You're really good gonna beat aj McKee's skill for skill. Nope, No,

1445
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 3: that's not gonna happen. So I'm not saying do dumb shit,

1446
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 3: but take some risks, right, Like, really, what do you

1447
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 3: do box a brawler, brawl a boxer. You can't outbox

1448
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 3: the guy. Don't even waste your time with that. But

1449
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 3: you could probably pull him into a brawl maybe maybe.

1450
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: And just get choked out. He's gonna get choked the

1451
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: hell out if they get if they get too close there.

1452
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe so, But you're not gonna beat him by

1453
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 3: being more technical than him. That's not gonna happen.

1454
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. McKee's also gonna have to show us. Look

1455
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: this way, this weight change it. It may bring about,

1456
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, in a huge advantage for him for all

1457
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: we know in terms of his body and how hard

1458
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: I mean look. He defined it to us in our

1459
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: Room Service Diaries interview that you can still catch on

1460
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: YouTube that while he can make one if he has to,

1461
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: he goes through absolute hell and puts a lot of

1462
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: stress on his family to do so. So could we

1463
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: see an even more aggressive, explosive AJ McKee here.

1464
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 3: I'd be curious to see what one fifty five does

1465
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 3: for him. I've seen I will say, you know, it's amazing, dude,

1466
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 3: Like I hadn't seen Max Holloway in some time. And

1467
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 3: then we did the interview with him in when was

1468
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 3: that July or whatever whatever that was b se I

1469
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 3: don't even remember anymore.

1470
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: It was the first week of July, late Jeff for.

1471
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 3: Two seventy six. And dude, if you've never seen Max

1472
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 3: Holloway in person, you would be very surprised. He's a featherweight.

1473
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,879
Speaker 3: You'd be like, holy shit, this guy's a Featherweight's thin, obviously,

1474
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 3: but he has a large frame. McKee is not like that.

1475
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 3: McKee very much looks to me like a guy who

1476
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 3: I think probably still better suited for one forty five.

1477
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 3: And we already mentioned Spike Carlyle is big, strong kid.

1478
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 3: You could say whatever else you want about him, you

1479
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 3: can't deny him that much better suited for one fifty five. Obviously.

1480
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 3: I am curious to see what role that plays. If

1481
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 3: Carlile is making him work for the takedown, there's a

1482
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 3: real physical advantage. I don't think he'd be able to

1483
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 3: retain that over the course of the bout, but it

1484
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 3: could make things interesting, certainly early. So that's something else

1485
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 3: to pay attention to. I'm not convinced. We'll see, We'll see,

1486
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 3: but I'm not convinced. I've just seen a lot of

1487
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 3: one fifty five or one seventy years in my time

1488
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 3: off camp, and McKee did not look to me like

1489
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 3: a very big one fifty five at all.

1490
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: So well, I did have a very large purple sweater on,

1491
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: though it was hard to really get a great feel Luke.

1492
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, sure.

1493
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: We were so loud it was like hiding the figure underneath.

1494
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 3: Let me just say that if you're a so what, so,

1495
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 3: what does a big one fifty five look like? Off camp?

1496
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 3: They're about one ninety give or take. They're about one

1497
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 3: ninety that he was not one ninety and he was

1498
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 3: told us he walks.

1499
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: Around at one seventy and he's been as high as

1500
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 1: one eighty five.

1501
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was like, way, way, way way off camp.

1502
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 3: I would say he looks at me like a one

1503
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 3: seventy five or for in most ways off camp, that's

1504
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 3: not big for lightweight, that's not yeah.

1505
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:44,719
Speaker 6: Uh.

1506
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: Look, even with the fact that this feels like a

1507
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: setup for him, but there's potential dangers if he does

1508
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: what he's supposed to do and we expect him to

1509
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: do and does it spectacularly. The brand reef you know,

1510
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: Refresh will be ready if they put him as the

1511
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: face of that tournament. There'll be big fights in that

1512
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: bracket and you know, I'm looking forward to it, but

1513
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 1: he's gotta win this one first look. Another very good

1514
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: fight on this card is Aaron Peako.

1515
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 3: Real quick breaking news if I can not relate to

1516
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 3: this car, but the UFC one Tabitha Ricci versus Jessica

1517
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 3: Penny is off. Jessica Penny has some kind of illness.

1518
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 3: They did not disclose what it was or COVID or

1519
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 3: weightcut or whatever, and we don't know.

1520
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: That's now two camps in a row. Ricchie had her

1521
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: opponent fell out, you know.

1522
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 3: And dude, Jessica Penny has had a ton a ton

1523
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 3: of just issues making it to fights in the last

1524
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 3: few years. Unfortunate situation, Very very true, Luke.

1525
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: Featherweight battle Aaron Pico six fight win streak. But as

1526
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 1: we established Wednesday, the Jeremy Kennedy opponent here is telling

1527
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: you it's time to go big. He didn't necessarily bite

1528
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: down on hey win and get a title shot, but

1529
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:51,879
Speaker 1: he knows that he's very very close. He shredded mentally,

1530
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 1: he does seem to be strong. I tend to you know,

1531
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: I tend to follow Pico in general, Luke. I think

1532
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: his whole story is always going to have that kind

1533
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: of must see reality TV part of it. Plus the

1534
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: fights are super exciting. And if he continues down this

1535
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: path of really focusing in on his true strengths and

1536
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: not taking too many chances, I mean, you feel like

1537
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: you're watching a future champion. How tough of a matchup

1538
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: is Jeremy Kennedy understanding that this is a legitimate step

1539
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: up from who he's fought before this.

1540
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 3: I think if you're if you're just talking about Aaron Pico,

1541
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 3: who is setting things up the right way, getting to

1542
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 3: the takedown position, and holding it in a skillful, focused way.

1543
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 3: We're talking about that with ajmi Key as well. He

1544
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 3: has better skills than Jeremy Kennedy. What has gotten Pico

1545
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 3: into trouble abandoning that. Abandoning that like trying to win

1546
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 3: it through sheer force of will, or not being careful

1547
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 3: or taking silly, unnecessary risks. And what Jackson Wink and

1548
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 3: Brandon Gibson have tried to do is to slowly pull

1549
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 3: that out of him. Set everything up, use your power

1550
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 3: when or appropriate, use your ground and pound when the

1551
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 3: position is controlled, when you've captured the risks, whatever you

1552
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 3: need to do right that's what they've really done. If

1553
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 3: that's what he's able to do tomorrow, this will not

1554
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:13,520
Speaker 3: be close like the skill level would be I think extraordinary,

1555
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 3: but a guy like Jeremy Kennedy could be frustrating. Bec

1556
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 3: a guy like Jeremy Kennedy might be able to get

1557
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 3: up who might not. You know, put a lot his

1558
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 3: last fight or I think it was the one before this,

1559
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 3: I can't remember it was this recently. He won it

1560
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 3: just kind of out wrestling the guy Sanchez and not

1561
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 3: really going for a lot of ground and pound, not

1562
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 3: really going for a lot of subs. Kind of boring

1563
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 3: in that way, but you know he was able to

1564
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 3: do that. So if you can do that on the

1565
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 3: defensive end, and frustrated guy like Pico pull him into

1566
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 3: maybe taking risks he ordinarily won't, wouldn't because Pico does.

1567
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 3: I think for all the competitive you know know how

1568
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 3: he has in wrestling, he seems to get rattled a

1569
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 3: little bit when the when the fifths start flying. At

1570
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 3: least that's what he's shown previously. So it's that it's

1571
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 3: composure under fire. What kind of decision making does Pico show?

1572
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 3: The abilities? The physicality BC they're there it's those other

1573
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,759
Speaker 3: parts we need to see. Has everything come together?

1574
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, this six fight win streak has not been perfect,

1575
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: although there's been some spectacular finishes and overall like mentally

1576
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: dialed in a commitment to the rest. I mean there's

1577
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: times he's been dominant, just rag dollin people on the

1578
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: ground and just all over you're looking to finish you

1579
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: at all times. But the self destruct buttons get him

1580
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: into a war. That's when the decision making goes away.

1581
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: It's either that he believes too much in his hands,

1582
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: and his hands are pretty fricking good. I mean, look,

1583
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: how else could you not if you're eighteen years old

1584
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 1: and you're in the wild card Jim Sparn Miguel Coto right, Like,

1585
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: it's you know, the the close ups he's had on

1586
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: a national and global level at such a small, such

1587
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: a young age, like of course, that could provide an inflated,

1588
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, belief and maybe sometimes in a you know,

1589
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: not the safest risk taking motives. I think he's taking

1590
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: less risks and less you tag him, and that's when

1591
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: the chin stays out. That's when he sort of dials in,

1592
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: sets down. That's gonna be Kennedy's mo o. But in

1593
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: doing if he tries to do that, Luke, he may

1594
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: not get knocked the hell out in the process. I mean,

1595
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: Pico can still take you there. So I like Pico

1596
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: to win this, and look, Duke, Luke, Luke, Duke, I

1597
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: like him to fucking hammer him too. I think it's time, Luke,

1598
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: that that we are are waking up to exactly who

1599
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,839
Speaker 1: Aaron Pico is. And maybe you can never officially repair

1600
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 1: whatever was lost on the initial rise. But I'm wondering

1601
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: if you know, he's gonna end up being the kind

1602
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: that's just better off for all the adversity he did

1603
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: go through personally, professionally, mentally, all that, because he's he's

1604
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 1: really turning it into a complete destructive force right here.

1605
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: Not perfect again, but he Luke, I think you can

1606
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: still get there, is my point. I think he can

1607
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: still get back like to the point of like being

1608
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 1: the biggest MMA prospect ever. And I think he's avoided

1609
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: a bust, right I mean, he's put it back on

1610
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 1: the tracks, but I still think he can go all

1611
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: the way. And I don't just mean bellator title, I

1612
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 1: mean like fulfilling that prophecy. It's still in him and

1613
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: he's still young enough.

1614
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is we'll talk about bo Nickel

1615
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 3: here in a minute, but this is why getting his

1616
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 3: matchmaking is right now. Bon Nickel has showed, you know,

1617
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 3: a ton of early promise. He didn't get choked out

1618
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 3: in his first professional contest, but you know, he wasn't

1619
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,440
Speaker 3: fighting the same kind of guy either. Zach Freeman was

1620
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 3: a was a good veteran when they fought. But what

1621
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 3: I'm trying to make is, Dude, they nearly ruined him.

1622
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 3: They nearly ruined Aaron Pico. He went to four and

1623
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 3: three at one point in his career. If he had

1624
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 3: made one more mistake, I honestly think that would have

1625
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 3: been in and they have slowly brought him back along.

1626
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 3: And if he can get a win over a guy

1627
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 3: like Jeremy Kennedy, I think it would be you know,

1628
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 3: that wouldn't be fulfilling the ultimate expectation necessarily, I don't

1629
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,799
Speaker 3: think that's quite true, but it would be a great

1630
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 3: lesson in how important development is done correctly done on

1631
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 3: the appropriate time scale, which is going to be different

1632
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 3: for everybody. And they really would have rescued his career

1633
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 3: at that point. I think, let's see what he looks

1634
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 3: like tomorrow. But if Aaron Picco goes in there and

1635
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 3: starts dealing guys like Brandy Gibson needs to get a

1636
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 3: lot of credit for all the work they've done to

1637
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 3: put him in that position, because it got dire for

1638
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 3: a while. You know.

1639
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: I've interviewed him a bunch of last few years through

1640
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: this process of this wind streak and the turnaround in

1641
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: New Mexico, and I think, Luke, they're really doing a

1642
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 1: great job at kind of like retraining his mind for

1643
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 1: battle because it had come so easy, because he was

1644
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: so insanely welld not just well rounded, like you know,

1645
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: so insanely explosive, in top notch in every category that

1646
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 1: I think it came too easy and it lured him

1647
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: into battles he shouldn't have been in. They have not

1648
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,759
Speaker 1: only controlled that a bit, but actually taught him again,

1649
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, how to execute a game plan, and you

1650
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: can see the difference now and when he's able to

1651
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: go downhill with this wrestling, I mean, it's it's game over.

1652
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 1: That's it.

1653
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 3: I would agree, I would do. But if we haven't

1654
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 3: talked about it, if Kennedy gets the win, and in

1655
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 3: particular a stoppage. Win will tell you that would be

1656
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 3: a really bad sign, a really bad sign because the

1657
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 3: reformation project has been going on for a while. They

1658
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 3: didn't rush the reformation project of Aaron Pico. You can

1659
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 3: have your criticisms of it. In fact, most of the

1660
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 3: criticisms of it BC are that, well, they're taking forever,

1661
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 3: he's still fighting guys, he's way better than right. They

1662
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 3: took their time, and that that, to me was a

1663
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 3: calculated move. I actually think it was the right one.

1664
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 3: He did fight guys. He was way better than for

1665
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 3: a long period of time. But eventually that also comes

1666
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:34,879
Speaker 3: to an end. That comes to an end on Saturday.

1667
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 3: If he can't get over that hurdle, to me, that

1668
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 3: would be a really really really bad sign that I

1669
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 3: don't think real reformation is possible at that point.

1670
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 1: That big on Pico, look do it okay.

1671
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 3: I think he'll win. I think I think Piko will win.

1672
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 3: I think he'll look good.

1673
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: But family okay. The other main card about ten pm

1674
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: Eastern reminder on showtime for bellatur two eighty six one

1675
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,040
Speaker 1: arch a lot of the former vantamweight king has a

1676
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: very important fight here against Enrique Barzola. Archiletta ride in

1677
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: the two fight, losing scared Right. He fought for the

1678
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 1: vacant title within the tournament, I'm sorry, the interim title

1679
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: after current champion Sergio Pettis was pulled from the Grand

1680
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 1: Prix due to injury, and Luke Barzola came on our

1681
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: radar in that same tournament, winning sort of a play

1682
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: in opportunity. Although he was eliminated in the tournament, he

1683
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 1: did show out a bit a UFC veteran. A lot

1684
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 1: of people saying this will be your war, your fight

1685
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 1: of the night if you want to hear from Archiletta.

1686
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: He said, third round, Barzola's going out, mark my words.

1687
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: Third round. We're gonna go out there and make mayhem happen.

1688
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 1: There's I'm fired the hell up here. But we got

1689
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: Barzola as a slight betting favorite. What do you like

1690
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,679
Speaker 1: in this one? Plus one zero five Archiletta minus one

1691
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: twenty five Enrique Barzola.

1692
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 3: This is a tough one. This is a really, really

1693
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 3: tough one. Archiletta is a workhorse, and he's got a

1694
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 3: bit of a jousting style. But he's up there thirty

1695
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 3: five years of age. Now, It's not like Barzola is

1696
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 3: super young at just thirty three, but he has had

1697
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 3: a late career reformation BC. I think he's had a

1698
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 3: real growth and what he has shown of late now.

1699
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 3: Obviously in the fight against Mecca Mega madoff that he

1700
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 3: didn't get the full sense of that, But beating Darien

1701
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 3: Caldwell the way he did, I thought was pretty impressive.

1702
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 3: Losing to ev Loev when he was in the UFC

1703
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 3: is not certainly a mark of shame. We're seeing how

1704
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 3: good that guy is now. I'll say I I like

1705
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 3: one Choletta a lot. I think Barzola might have something

1706
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 3: for him. I think Barzola might have something for him.

1707
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 3: I think he's a little bit more dangerous and to me,

1708
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 3: Archiletta as good as he is and obviously a champion,

1709
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 3: you know, been on a bit of a rough run

1710
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 3: the last two. Granted it was against Pettis and Stots,

1711
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 3: two guys holding belts. He does have the winter for

1712
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 3: PATCHI mix in twenty twenty. I don't know. I just

1713
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 3: feel like Barcela's got a little bit more danger and

1714
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 3: expediency to what he's doing than the other way around.

1715
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 3: Do you.

1716
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 1: I do agree. I think the odds makers have it

1717
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 1: right here and you know that Patchy mix win was

1718
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: for the vacant title, so you know he can win

1719
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 1: big fights. But as he found out against Pettis meaning Archiletta,

1720
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: there's still that raw side to his game. That ross

1721
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: side makes him fun, makes him dangerous and close fights late,

1722
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: he can get you the big stoppages. I mean, he

1723
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: goes for it. But two wins, two losses in a row,

1724
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 1: thirty five, I get the odds. At this point, I

1725
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 1: do think Barzola is the the the guy who's going

1726
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: in the better direction overall. But Luke Arceletta needs this win.

1727
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 1: You lose three in a row, you're proving that you're

1728
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: not on this level anymore when you consider your age. Uh,

1729
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: he may have to go back back to the balls

1730
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 1: to the wall style to get it. This is gonna

1731
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: be a close one. This is gonna be a war. Yeah,

1732
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: you're you're right to favorite favorite Barzola. But I gotta,

1733
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta, you know, a kinship in my

1734
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: heart here for for the Spaniard Luke. Not just because

1735
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 1: he family owns you know, those those rolling acres of

1736
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 1: g A sea farms. But okay, maybe a big part

1737
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 1: about because of that, you know. That's pretty cool, right.

1738
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 3: I don't even know what you're talking. Oh, the TC farms. Yeah,

1739
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 3: that is pretty cool. That's what we should be doing.

1740
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 3: We're in the wrong industry, to be quite honest with you.

1741
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:18,639
Speaker 1: Archieletta did say once he finishes Barzola, he wants Sergio

1742
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: for the full title, win the tournament's over, or he'll

1743
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: go to Dublin and face Carviao. Luke, Okay, I'm not

1744
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 1: against that.

1745
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, do he looked We talked about it. He looked

1746
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 3: great in his last fight. I'd be sized for that too, sure, okay, Luke.

1747
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: Topic number three is what else is going on in

1748
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: the world of M M man beyond this weekend? Nothing

1749
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: really in the traditional box sense. But you know in MMA,

1750
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 1: we've got one on Prime Video two ten pm Eastern

1751
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 1: is the main card on Amazon Prime here, and they

1752
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: had a card what yesterday morning?

1753
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 6: Luke?

1754
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 3: Was it? Yeah? One sixty one.

1755
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: Rue Grug showed up on there a few different things.

1756
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 3: Look good, by the way, bring on Bushsha.

1757
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had to win over. I'm not gonna guess.

1758
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to try to pronounce, uh, but look

1759
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: this this main event here. I watched the first two

1760
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: fights in here. I went back and did it and

1761
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 1: I loved them. Let me get the name right here, Luke,

1762
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: Thomas Jong jing Nan against Angela Lee. Jong jing Nan

1763
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 1: is the current strawweight champion, Lee the current Adam Waite

1764
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 1: flyweight champion. Excuse me, no, Adam wait right?

1765
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's they're calling it depending where you're

1766
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 3: looking on the on the on the internet, they're calling

1767
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 3: it flyway, but it's I think it's there Adam Way,

1768
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 3: which is up or there's I don't, I don't know.

1769
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:32,560
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1770
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. Yeah, who really knows about that. But

1771
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: what we do know, Luke, is this rivalry is absolutely legit,

1772
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: especially when you go back and rewatch them.

1773
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,719
Speaker 3: Both fights were title fights.

1774
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:45,679
Speaker 1: Both fights were title fights in their respective divisions. Both

1775
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: featured five fifth round finishes. Both had blood and guts

1776
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 1: and and and stuff. The first fight saw Jeong jing

1777
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 1: Nan hurt Angela Lee to the body late in round

1778
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: five and get the stoppage on the feet that was

1779
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 1: for the straweight title when they came back for least

1780
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 1: flyweight title. In the immediate rematch, a raar naked choke

1781
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 1: with just twelve seconds left in round five as Lee

1782
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: took the back avenge the loss. This third one is

1783
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: going to be back at strawweight. Yeah, luke, okay, I'm

1784
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: in now, I'm ready for this.

1785
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 3: This is a fun one. You can watch, I think

1786
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 3: both of the first fights on YouTube. You can certainly

1787
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 3: watch the second one on YouTube. This is this is

1788
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 3: this is you know, a simplistic way of putting it,

1789
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 3: very much striker versus grappler. I think Jing Non can

1790
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 3: do more than just be a resistant grappler. But she

1791
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 3: can or actually she can do some offensive grappling herself.

1792
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 3: But really it's the it's the striking of jing Nang

1793
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 3: that I think is gonna win this because the defense

1794
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 3: of Angela Lee like, she shows a ton of heart.

1795
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 3: She gets hit a lot, She got hit a lot

1796
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 3: in certainly their second meeting. She was able to pull

1797
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 3: it out very very late, catching the back and then

1798
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 3: getting the choke. But but but she has to get

1799
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 3: the fight to the floor there consistently. She was able

1800
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 3: to do that, not consistently, but she was able to

1801
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 3: do it enough in the second fight. But that it's

1802
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,719
Speaker 3: really what it all hinges on. It really just comes

1803
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 3: down to that, how much punishment will Angela Lee take

1804
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 3: and closing the distance. How soon will she able to

1805
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 3: get the takedown? How long will she be able to

1806
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 3: hold it? That's this is really what the bout is

1807
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 3: centered on. These two are well matched. I do expect

1808
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 3: the fight to go, if not the distance, you know,

1809
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 3: into the championship rounds. A fun one for sure on

1810
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 3: on Amazon.

1811
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, looking forward to this one for sure. Thirty four

1812
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: years old is Jong jing Nan. Her only loss in

1813
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 1: one was to Lee. She's seventeen and two overall. It's

1814
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: in her division though. If Lee wins, she becomes a

1815
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 1: two division champion. So already a lot of history going

1816
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: in that family and the under the one banner. You know,

1817
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 1: maybe maybe Shatri calls me for the next season of

1818
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: one Championship Contend. You know what is it? Luke, what

1819
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 1: is the name of the show? You're fired? That's show?

1820
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're fired?

1821
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's true. All right, Luke, I'll the apprentice.

1822
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 1: Thank you to our cre team, Luke, Long Island, Luke,

1823
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: there any other fights that you want to spotlight here, Luca?

1824
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:04,600
Speaker 1: Can we move on?

1825
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? Just Timothy Nasty Yu? Can Jhalil Amir fight? I

1826
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 3: think it's gonna be kind of interesting. That's one to

1827
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 3: pay attention to. Mikey Musumeci is gonna run over a

1828
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 3: club or Sooza, probably in the grappling one. And if

1829
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 3: you've never seen Mikey, he's like a nerd who loves

1830
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:22,799
Speaker 3: pizza and will rip you rip limb from limb. So yeah, interesting,

1831
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 3: interesting little fun fight there.

1832
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: Not dissimilar to to our producer from CBS Mikey, who

1833
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 1: also likes pizza and THC Luke and is currently an

1834
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: Amsterdam on vacation. Okay, yeah, all right, love that.

1835
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,759
Speaker 3: Guy, dude, I mean he loves THC.

1836
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 1: Does you know who among us Luke? As you would say,

1837
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 1: we also in combat this weekend, BKFC is back. It's

1838
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: BKFC thirty Monroe, Louisiana. The main event sees Lorenzo Hunt

1839
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 1: and Quenton Henry squaring off for the vacant BKFC Cruiserweight title.

1840
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 1: As Lorenzo Hunt continues this late bad assery that he's

1841
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 1: showing inside this fighting service, he's seven and one. Overall,

1842
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 1: they don't like each other. I'm sure they're gonna bang.

1843
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 1: But Luke. From an MMA fan interest standpoint, Ben Rothwell,

1844
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: fresh off of ending his UFC run. He's gonna be

1845
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 1: in a heavyweight comin event here against get ready for

1846
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 1: this guy Bobo O'Bannon, whose nickname is the Bible belt

1847
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 1: Brawler Luke. He just recently lost to Alan Belcher, did

1848
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 1: Bobo Obannon? But he looks like he could be busting

1849
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:32,679
Speaker 1: tables at your local bar. I'm sure he hits hard.

1850
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the kind of circus TV that

1851
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: I gotta find a stream. I gotta get there. I

1852
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: gotta see this fight TV.

1853
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 3: Is if this was like Ben Rothwell, who hasn't fought

1854
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 3: since I think like November twenty twenty one. Remember he

1855
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 3: was supposed to fight gust of Sin at some point

1856
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 3: this year, asked for his release and got it. The

1857
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 3: thing that gives me concern, it's like, dude, this was

1858
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 3: like prime Rothwell. Rothwell would beat this guy within an

1859
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 3: inch of his life. I mean, it wouldn't even be close.

1860
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 3: But like, he's at forty and the heavyweight, and he's

1861
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 3: never been the fastest guy. He's definitely a slower and

1862
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 3: a little bit more methodical. You know some dude who

1863
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 3: bum rushes you in BKFC, who doesn't have as many

1864
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 3: fighting miles on him, You know, like, I know the

1865
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 3: name Ben Rothwell is an elevated one, and it should be.

1866
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 3: I think he'll win, but I don't know. Man, he's

1867
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 3: BKFC fights. They find ways to surprise you. If you're

1868
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 3: if you're at one of these local toughs and you

1869
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 3: don't have too much miles on you and you take

1870
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 3: a guy who's had a lot, it can get a little,

1871
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 3: it can get icy.

1872
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,719
Speaker 1: This is gonna end up looking like a ballroom brawl.

1873
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: And that's what Bobo O Bennon does. I'm sure he

1874
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 1: has to do, Luke. I'm sure he's employed. I'm sure

1875
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 1: he's a great guy too. Here's a great quote from Bobo.

1876
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:43,520
Speaker 1: I begged for this fight. If we're gonna be honest, shamelessly,

1877
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: I begged for it. Somebody is going to sleep, me

1878
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 1: or him, it doesn't matter. Somebody is going to sleep.

1879
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 1: Guns blazing lare. Luke Rothwell would say, I can't start slow.

1880
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 1: I gotta go after him in go time means Ben

1881
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 1: Rothwell someone getting knocked the fuck out. End quote. That

1882
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,679
Speaker 1: didn't make any sense. Uh, this fight doesn't make any sense.

1883
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: That's why it's fun, Luke. So I'll be watching that

1884
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 1: all right. I know you will in on a Lorenzo Hunter. No, no,

1885
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:12,599
Speaker 1: you don't care.

1886
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 3: No, uh, I mean nothing personal, but no, I don't care.

1887
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: Okay, Topic number four, Luke, we didn't end up having

1888
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: time for this. In Wednesday's Loaded Show, are Bad. It

1889
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: was Bo Nichol's second straight Dana White Contender Series victory,

1890
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 1: this one in fifty something seconds, I mean, just insane

1891
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 1: against Donovan Beard fifty two seconds. But Luke, that news

1892
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 1: then spiraled into yesterday, when Bo Nickel officially has his

1893
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: book first UFC fight already. It's gonna take place December tenth,

1894
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 1: UFC two eighty two Las Vegas pay per view, and

1895
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be against Jamie Pickett. And the early fight

1896
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,799
Speaker 1: odds here is Bo Nickel is a minus eighteen hundred

1897
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 1: favorite Pickett who lost his last two plus eleven hundred.

1898
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 1: Those were the opening odds. They've surely they've changed since then.

1899
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,719
Speaker 1: Let me get your reaction first on this match making

1900
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: specifically and what this could mean for both three straight

1901
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: opportunities here, you know, this time on a pay per

1902
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: view live.

1903
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I listen. The Aaron Pico's story is cautionary, and

1904
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 3: I realize again Bo hasn't had the early stumbles that

1905
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 3: Pico did in the same way. Fair enough, that's fine,

1906
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 3: they're not identical. But I've saw some folks being like, oh,

1907
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 3: if you're gonna be this much of a matchup, push

1908
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 3: him along further. The point is in development is, yes,

1909
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 3: you don't want to book a mismatch if you can

1910
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 3: avoid it, but there's gonna be situations where you've got

1911
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 3: someone like this who's kind of ahead of the curve,

1912
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 3: but they're not at their ultimate potential. They're not even

1913
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 3: really close to their ultimate potential. He's what twenty six

1914
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 3: years old or something like that. He needs time to

1915
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 3: get better, which means you can't put him at the

1916
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 3: front of the line. So they're giving him a guy

1917
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 3: who's a veteran, who's, you know, been the UFC for

1918
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 3: a while, who has, you know, not somewhat behind the ears,

1919
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 3: nobody who's never been to this kind of show before.

1920
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 3: He's been to a big show and has experience fighting

1921
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 3: at this level. That's to me quite appropriate, even if

1922
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:05,599
Speaker 3: I think bo Nichol's probably going to do terrible things

1923
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 3: to Jamie Pickett. So I don't mind the matchmaking at all.

1924
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 3: I like that they gave him a fight before the

1925
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 3: end of the year to get him busy, because again,

1926
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 3: I think he's going to reach his potential quicker than

1927
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 3: a lot of other folks might, but he still needs

1928
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 3: time to get there. If you fuck up someone's development,

1929
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 3: you can say, by the way, we don't know what

1930
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 3: he looks like he gets hit, what kind of composure

1931
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 3: under fire that he has. You know, brock Lesner looked

1932
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 3: like quite the demon when he was dealing, but when

1933
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 3: he was eating punches it completely changed everything. So there's

1934
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 3: still a lot we don't know about him. But speaking

1935
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 3: of Brockbyc, I said this yesterday, I would really like

1936
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 3: to say it again for me. For me, I'm not

1937
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 3: saying that the comparisons are identical or that the world

1938
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 3: has to agree for me, I haven't been this excited

1939
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 3: about an MMA prospect since brock Lesner.

1940
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 1: Wow.

1941
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 3: I really think that bo Nichol is capable capable of

1942
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 3: doing very very special things in the sport, and I

1943
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 3: want to make sure that we give his development the

1944
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:00,799
Speaker 3: proper time to reach it.

1945
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 1: Well, he's been he's been training with att for a while.

1946
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 1: He's it's clear that there's some key next level parts

1947
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: of his game in IQ and understand feel and timing,

1948
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 1: but you're right, the small sample sizes have made it

1949
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 1: to where you're either going on Twitter saying I bet

1950
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 1: your bow Nickel could beat the world champion tomorrow, or

1951
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 1: you're going on there saying fuck this guy. You know

1952
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't find anybody. What are we doing? Well, here's

1953
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 1: what we're doing, Luke. This is the final UFC pay

1954
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: per view of the year, December tenth. I bet you

1955
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,879
Speaker 1: they put him in that featured ESPN main event prelim.

1956
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:34,560
Speaker 1: They should, right, this is this type of personality, not personality,

1957
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 1: and like he doesn't have Brox charisma or personality or aura.

1958
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: We're not comparing it on that regard. No, but to

1959
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 1: what you said of the expectations that he could just

1960
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 1: be instantly great. He's got the decorated background of Penn State.

1961
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a cool name. Brendan Schopps calling

1962
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 1: him the Great White Hope, Luke, I don't know if

1963
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go that far though, Okay.

1964
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't know what he meant by that,

1965
01:31:56,040 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 3: because that's not a compliment. Actually it's sort of a

1966
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 3: bad thing.

1967
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 1: I don't why are we doing us against that, like

1968
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 1: what is this? What is it? Come on?

1969
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 3: Also, look look my man, My man turns the color

1970
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 3: of country time lemonade when he gets uh, when he

1971
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 3: gets the sweat. And there look, I mean this, bo

1972
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 3: Nickel turns pink for a little while there. But either way, yes,

1973
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 3: it's not a direct comparison that what bo Nickel represents

1974
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 3: is what brock lesnar. That's not my point. My point

1975
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 3: is that they're like every once in a while, it's

1976
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 3: not very often a prospect comes through and they just

1977
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 3: are a shot of adrenaline into the sport, a shot

1978
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,600
Speaker 3: of adrenaline into that division, into all different kinds of permutations.

1979
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 3: Hamza has been something like that, although his has been

1980
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 3: weirder in certain ways. But if John Jones was like this,

1981
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 3: you know, he came along and it just we couldn't

1982
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 3: believe what he was doing. Bo nicchol is, you know,

1983
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 3: far from that. I want to be very clear. Is

1984
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 3: he's a prospect, not even a contender. He's not close,

1985
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 3: but but it does seem like he is destined for great,

1986
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 3: great things.

1987
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 1: To me have no idea, We have no idea if

1988
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 1: the intangibles are there until we find out. But I

1989
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 1: don't think you can penalize him for that. I think

1990
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 1: he is the right guy to make that push if

1991
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 1: he gets the featured fight. We'll find out there. But

1992
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 1: Luke quickly on that fifty two second victory against Donovan Beard,

1993
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 1: who was thirty two years old, had a seven to

1994
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 1: one record, had some length in striking ability. Well, we

1995
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:16,799
Speaker 1: never got to see it because the footwork that Bnickel

1996
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:20,719
Speaker 1: used to set up that looping left hand that cleanly

1997
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: dropped George and then I'm sorry Donovan Beard, and then

1998
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 1: he I was gonna say, Donovan George a boxer. He

1999
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 1: jumped all over him and then submission was like instantaneous.

2000
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: How much more did you learn about his potential greatness?

2001
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:38,080
Speaker 3: You know, once he launches his first real attack, they

2002
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 3: that's it, Like they can't stop it at all because

2003
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 3: he can just transition from different phases and right away,

2004
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 3: you know, move them from points of danger to points

2005
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,679
Speaker 3: of danger like it's remarkable. But what I would say

2006
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 3: again is I don't really have questions about his offense.

2007
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:56,759
Speaker 3: I have questions about the other parts of it, certainly

2008
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 3: his defense. What if somebody can stop him and then

2009
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 3: the fight has to be recent. What kind of composure

2010
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 3: does he have over the course of a fight. You know,

2011
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:05,720
Speaker 3: I've got you know, oh, I want to even make

2012
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:07,639
Speaker 3: that comperson. I'll skip that part, but I'll just say

2013
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 3: guys can resort to bad habits when they're still relatively new.

2014
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 3: He was still as relatively new. He graduated I think

2015
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 3: four years ago, but he did try out for a

2016
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 3: world team even though he had his eyes on MMA.

2017
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 3: He has only been really training MMA in a sustained

2018
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 3: kind of way for three years. That's not that long.

2019
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 3: So you just don't know what kind of bad habits

2020
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 3: show up, what kind of cardio he's going to have

2021
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 3: long term wrestling cardio is not the same as MMA cardio.

2022
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 3: They are kind of different. And you know, again, what

2023
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 3: does he look like with his composure under fire? I

2024
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 3: think that's that's gonna be big, big questions that I

2025
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 3: don't know if we're gonna get from Jamie Pickett, but

2026
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 3: are still quite relevant over the over the long haul.

2027
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we may not end up learning that

2028
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:47,680
Speaker 1: until the title of the You just never know, you know,

2029
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 1: if somebody can come on the scene this dominant, but

2030
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 1: we got to give him the chance to show it

2031
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 1: to us. We talked about the opinions going extremes. Henry

2032
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 1: s Hudo on his YouTube channel. I want to I

2033
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:58,680
Speaker 1: want to ask you, look, if you agree with any

2034
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 1: of this, here's the quote, so Rudo said, Chamayev thinks

2035
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 1: he's good in wrestling, His wrestling is nowhere near Bo Nickel.

2036
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 1: I can tell you that he can take down these

2037
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 1: UFC guys that have never wrestled. Try taking bow Nickel down,

2038
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:12,759
Speaker 1: and one hundred percent I can see bo easily taking

2039
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 1: down Chamaiev. I think if you're able to put Bo

2040
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 1: Nickel against Israel Atisnya. Now, just according to styles, Bo

2041
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 1: Nickel beats him. He puts him to his back, controls

2042
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:25,599
Speaker 1: his wrists, grapples the heck out of him, and that's

2043
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:29,759
Speaker 1: all she wrote. End quote, Luke, that's the extreme other direction.

2044
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 1: Can you pick any truths out of that? From Henry's

2045
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 1: to Hudo, I mean.

2046
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 3: There's a few things he's saying there. He also called

2047
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 3: him the greatest prospect in MMA history. I don't know

2048
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 3: of that, or maybe the greatest prospect in MMA now,

2049
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 3: which that might be true. Could he beat Izzie in

2050
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 3: a grappling match easily? Could he beat him in a

2051
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 3: fight probably? Could? I don't know that he would, but

2052
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 3: I wouldn't love betting against it. You know, I think

2053
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 3: that Bo's got a lot of ability. I think he's

2054
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,400
Speaker 3: got a lot of ability. Now here's a better question.

2055
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 3: Does he beat Robert Whitaker given the style matchup? No,

2056
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 3: I don't think he does.

2057
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 1: Slow our role. I'm not being a hater, but we

2058
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 1: gotta slow our role trying to compare him with the

2059
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 1: champions right now, Like, let's see what he does with

2060
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 1: Jamie Pikett.

2061
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, what I'm saying is, you know, Izzy's takedown

2062
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 3: defense is just comically underrated, both against defense and in other places.

2063
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 3: But a guy like Bo could, you know, you'd be like,

2064
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 3: he reminds me a little bit of like running over

2065
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 3: the sport in the way that Nicki Rodriguez did the

2066
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 3: heavyweight and professional grappling, where he didn't have the same level,

2067
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 3: so to speak, but he just came in and to

2068
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:33,679
Speaker 3: use a particular kind of game to just take over

2069
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:35,640
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways. I think he could do

2070
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 3: that in that sense, but that's not serving his longer

2071
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 3: term interests. It's not wise because if it backfires, which

2072
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 3: against these very elite guys, he could easily backfire, then

2073
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 3: you can really fuck a guy up, So it's not

2074
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 3: worth it even going to those places for those reasons.

2075
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:53,640
Speaker 3: But like, dude, who you know, Do I think that

2076
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 3: under the right circumstances, Bo could beat top five guys? Yeah?

2077
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 3: I think he could. Actually, it's just it's silly to

2078
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 3: put him in there for all of the risk that

2079
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 3: you'd be courting. Yeah.

2080
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:06,719
Speaker 1: If you want more on this specific topic, our colleague

2081
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 1: Brent Brookhouse if CBS Sports wrote a feature this week

2082
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:12,640
Speaker 1: exactly on what we're talking about here, speaking of Chamaiev

2083
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 1: in the same sentence as Bo Nickel, Let's go to

2084
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 1: Bo Nichol's post fight interview after that win on Tuesday,

2085
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:19,759
Speaker 1: where he made two very big call outs.

2086
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:23,760
Speaker 5: If the UFC wishes give me that Swedish dude, you know,

2087
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 5: I don't think he might not be the best guy

2088
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 5: because you can't even make weight. But if that's the case,

2089
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 5: then I'll take him. If not, then give me Logan

2090
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:36,880
Speaker 5: Paul UFC debut me versus Logan Paul. I think you know,

2091
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 5: I know he has some skills. If we can't do

2092
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 5: in the UFC, let's do in the WWE. I'll meet

2093
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 5: you in the ring.

2094
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:43,560
Speaker 1: You ready for Hamsa SHAMAIV right now? Is that what

2095
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 1: you're saying.

2096
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 5: Let's get it, baby. I'm here, I'm training every day,

2097
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 5: I put the work in, I make weight.

2098
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:50,479
Speaker 3: Let's do it. I don't know if you've got a

2099
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 3: chance to see it. But when he was talking to

2100
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 3: Laura afterwards, he actually called out Hamsat Shamaiev and said

2101
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 3: that's the fight he'd be interested in. So let's not

2102
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 3: get crazy here. I agree with Dana a little bit too.

2103
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Speaker 3: I want to see that fight, just not right away.

2104
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:08,559
Speaker 1: Okay, him and Logan Paul, you got interest, Luke.

2105
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:12,680
Speaker 3: I'm told Logan Paul wrestled uh decently well at the

2106
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 3: high school level. Yeah, you know, but like dude Bo

2107
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 3: was beaten the fuck out of guys at the collegiate level. Uh,

2108
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 3: I don't think that'd be much of a match.

2109
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:27,599
Speaker 1: I don't know what we have here, Luke. I'm certainly

2110
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 1: excited to find out. But I but like, we do

2111
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 1: have to we do have to slow the role. I mean,

2112
01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 1: we got like I don't want like, don't ruin the guy.

2113
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Speaker 3: All right, Yes, that's the thing. It's like, look, could

2114
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 3: he go in there and have success, yes, but if

2115
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 3: it backfires, you could undo everything, don't do it. Take

2116
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 3: your time.

2117
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 1: He may be different, though, especially when we're talking about

2118
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:51,600
Speaker 1: seventeen year old from the same Contender series. Rosas is

2119
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 1: that Bonnichola is twenty seven and he has been in

2120
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:58,600
Speaker 1: very high profile situations and shined before on the NCAA

2121
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:01,160
Speaker 1: championship level. All right, Luke, let's go to our fifth topic,

2122
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:04,320
Speaker 1: which is quick hitters, a little hits, and missus hair

2123
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:06,680
Speaker 1: of things we missed throughout the week. Luke, let's get

2124
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 1: your definitive take on it. Aspin lad has been cut

2125
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 1: by the UFC after a third fight cancelation due to wait.

2126
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:15,800
Speaker 1: Dana White talked to reporters on Tuesday, saying, we tried

2127
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 1: to work with her. She's a great kid, she's a

2128
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:20,040
Speaker 1: really nice person. It's never fun when you have somebody

2129
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 1: who's actually talented. She's a talented fighter, but part of

2130
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:25,600
Speaker 1: the job is making weight. She's not made waight so

2131
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 1: many times. It just had to happen. Not something you

2132
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 1: want to do, but something that had to be done.

2133
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:32,719
Speaker 1: End quote. Do you agree?

2134
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 3: I agree? I think Dana's right. I think Dana's one

2135
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 3: hundred percent right. I totally share that opinion. Look, listen,

2136
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 3: I remember the first time I showed up to away In.

2137
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 3: I'd never been to a way In before. I don't

2138
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 3: know when this was, it was twenty years ago or

2139
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 3: something like that. I remember I went to a local

2140
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 3: card and I wanted to go to the way and

2141
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 3: it's just because I was a hardcore fan. And I

2142
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:54,720
Speaker 3: talked to one of the fighters there and he said

2143
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 3: something to me. They kind of stuck with me. It

2144
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:57,600
Speaker 3: sounds silly and you cliche, and you've heard it a

2145
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 3: million times, but he said, I've got two jobs. I

2146
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 3: want us to make weight and then want is to

2147
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 3: show up tomorrow to fight. That is part of the job.

2148
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 3: It's a professional responsibility. And I understand if you're not

2149
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 3: in the right weight class, we have to make smarterer

2150
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 3: decisions about where what weight class you should be in,

2151
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 3: about getting a nutritionist, all these things. But it's just really,

2152
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 3: really really unprofessional to do this. It's like showing up

2153
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 3: to work. It's worse than this, but it's like showing

2154
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:24,679
Speaker 3: up to work chronically late, despite multiple warnings, despite demotion

2155
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 3: in the job, and you're still doing it. It's like, dude,

2156
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:29,679
Speaker 3: you've got a problem. You've got a problem. You gotta

2157
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:33,360
Speaker 3: be more professional about this, whatever that means, weight class, diet, whatever,

2158
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 3: whatever the solution there is, but that chronic unprofessionalism just

2159
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:41,479
Speaker 3: you're not like cutting her because you can't tolerate it.

2160
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 3: You're cutting it because they need to get something right

2161
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:47,360
Speaker 3: with how they're operating before they're ready to take on

2162
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 3: the fuller range of the responsibilities that come with, you know,

2163
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:52,280
Speaker 3: fighting the very best fighters in the world in your

2164
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 3: weight class. So I don't know what those issues are.

2165
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Speaker 3: That's over up to her. I've had her in studio.

2166
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 3: She's a lovely person. I agree with Dana that she's

2167
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 3: very talented. But yeah, I agree with Danny it was

2168
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 3: it was the right move.

2169
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 1: Uh, I agree with everything you said right there. Let

2170
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 1: her get a couple wins outside of there, prove again

2171
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:11,919
Speaker 1: she can make the way. She's got to look internally,

2172
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, does she need a new trainer Luca or

2173
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:16,720
Speaker 1: is it too close for comfort? I don't know. Is

2174
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 1: it more about a nutritionist, I mean chef chef cast We.

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01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 3: Don't talk about that, I would say in general. I

2176
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 3: would say in general, I don't know the specifics of

2177
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 3: their relationship. I've not been around them. I have no

2178
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,639
Speaker 3: idea you're talking about Jim West right, Yes, but wouldn't

2179
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 3: you say as a general rule, with plenty of exceptions,

2180
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 3: but as a general rule, I just don't like the

2181
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 3: idea of training with a significant other or spouse. I

2182
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 3: just there's just not a lot of evidence that really

2183
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 3: elevates you over the long term. To what I can.

2184
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 1: Tell, I'm with you on that's change got to be

2185
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 1: made or it's going to be over, Luke. Speaking of

2186
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:54,000
Speaker 1: chef Cast, did you see him doing Coppowera with Paulo

2187
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:58,800
Speaker 1: Costa on a park on social medias? I don't think Connor, you.

2188
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 3: Love you love talking about chef Cast and this weird

2189
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 3: shit that he does.

2190
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 1: Yo, Chef Cass is a cap wear instructor. Okay, that's

2191
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:07,840
Speaker 1: that's my guy right there, all right, Luke, all right.

2192
01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 1: Also in the quick hitters here, Luke, this Tyson Fury

2193
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:13,599
Speaker 1: shell game is it's really starting to piss me off.

2194
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 3: This is so fucking lame from him.

2195
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:18,920
Speaker 1: This is why I got upset from the beginning, people

2196
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:21,320
Speaker 1: saying I went too far, Luke. He kept pushing the

2197
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:24,280
Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua deadline further and further with with these weird

2198
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:28,200
Speaker 1: videos he's putting out there now. AJ missed it. So

2199
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:31,439
Speaker 1: now Mamoud Char, who used to be known as Manuel

2200
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 1: Char fought that Vitelli Klitschko as a mandatory contender ten

2201
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:38,320
Speaker 1: years ago, got sent to hell. I mean hasn't done

2202
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 1: a ton since then. It's been a you know, somewhat

2203
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:43,799
Speaker 1: respectable heavyweight. Well. Char has already been on social media

2204
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:47,240
Speaker 1: for weeks or months saying he's in this conversation, he's

2205
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:50,120
Speaker 1: ready to fight Fury. It's making it seem like this

2206
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 1: whole stupid bullshit is is he was gonna fight Char

2207
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 1: all along and maybe used the front of a Joshua fight.

2208
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 1: He knew they all wouldn't take on short notice like

2209
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 1: this as sort of a frontal ploy. Let's go to

2210
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 1: the most recent videotape that Fury put out on Instagram

2211
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:09,599
Speaker 1: about what his interests are for a December third comeback fight.

2212
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 6: Just been doing a little bit of brainstorming December third's

2213
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:19,240
Speaker 6: coming manual. Charles agreed, my mood Char, Sorry, why don't

2214
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 6: I fight two people in one night? My mood Char

2215
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 6: and somebody else? That would be pretty damn awesome. I'd

2216
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 6: probably be the first WBC heavyweight champion to have two

2217
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 6: fights in one night, and that is a guaranteed fact.

2218
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:37,759
Speaker 6: What do you think what we saying?

2219
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 1: Are those his eyes? They look scared? What the hell

2220
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 1: they had, like weird ass contacts on or something. Luke,

2221
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely sick of this bullshit. And you want to

2222
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 1: fight a guy twice in one night, go fight KSI twice?

2223
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:53,920
Speaker 1: All right? I don't get like, we don't care. Here's

2224
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:56,000
Speaker 1: the deal, Luke. If you want to get well fighting

2225
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 1: a comeback fight and stay busy fight, just tell the world.

2226
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:02,640
Speaker 1: I want to come back and stay fresh for the

2227
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 1: Alexander Usik four title undisputed unification that we've all been

2228
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:09,160
Speaker 1: waiting for, including Fury. But now we got to go

2229
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:11,599
Speaker 1: with some bullshit fight. That seemed like the plan all along.

2230
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:13,599
Speaker 1: I don't want him to get hurt. I don't want

2231
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:15,360
Speaker 1: him to walk out of there and say, hey, I'm retired.

2232
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 1: I had a good run and we're never going to

2233
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:20,439
Speaker 1: get this fight. What are we doing here, dude, furious. Look,

2234
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:22,800
Speaker 1: he's got a long history of being in front of

2235
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:26,360
Speaker 1: the microphone and saying ridiculous things and pissing off everybody.

2236
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:29,600
Speaker 1: He's also been, you know, a friend of boxing, and

2237
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:32,519
Speaker 1: this comeback as a guy who just is a light right.

2238
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he's fun to watch, but this is it

2239
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:39,320
Speaker 1: just something seems so inauthentic about how he's operated lately

2240
01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 1: that like, okay, come back and find.

2241
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:46,560
Speaker 3: Us media trolling has been a process of inauthenticity.

2242
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 1: I mean even deeper than the normal bullshit theater that

2243
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 1: he already does, which you could love or hate depending

2244
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:55,479
Speaker 1: on the situation. Even deeper than that. It's like, I

2245
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:57,560
Speaker 1: don't have any type of assurance that he wants to

2246
01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 1: fight usick and make this happen.

2247
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 2: I don't even fel like you wanted to fight AJ

2248
01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 2: to be fair, and why would you. Here's my read

2249
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:05,840
Speaker 2: here's my read on here's my read on this. I

2250
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 2: think that the char fight, one way or the other,

2251
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:10,880
Speaker 2: was somehow what he found himself close to.

2252
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 3: And then I just think that they used the bullshit

2253
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:17,639
Speaker 3: deadline of the AJ fight to be like, oh, well, see,

2254
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 3: I had to fight this guy, that's the issue. And

2255
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:22,599
Speaker 3: he knew that the crowd otherwise might not be loving

2256
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:24,559
Speaker 3: of the whole idea, so this is a way to

2257
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:26,400
Speaker 3: save face in it and be like I tried. He

2258
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 3: didn't say yes, So you know what, I'm going to

2259
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:30,800
Speaker 3: go to somebody who actually does whereas I tend to

2260
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 3: think this was the plan all along. Quite Actually, there you.

2261
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 1: Go, and and like if that was, then why do

2262
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,519
Speaker 1: this bullshit game? Why retire every other week? I guess

2263
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 1: it's to stay in the headlines and piss us off. Right,

2264
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,519
Speaker 1: But now it's like you're you're you're fing with our

2265
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:45,960
Speaker 1: dream here. I mean, now you're fing with our with

2266
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:47,679
Speaker 1: our heart and our money. Why is the camera still

2267
01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 1: on you loop? They must love you, the director. Yeah,

2268
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 1: they were like, man, did you see this nudes? Oh shit, Luke,

2269
01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 1: wrong camera. There you go, all right, somebody's vaping. By

2270
01:45:58,080 --> 01:45:59,799
Speaker 1: the way, Look you getting called out in the carpet

2271
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:04,639
Speaker 1: for raping during the durn interview. You classless pos Yeah.

2272
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:09,000
Speaker 3: I gotta say, I don't care, don't care. It doesn't

2273
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 3: mean that criticism.

2274
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 1: Hold on, McKenzie, tuki ashtre come on, like you know.

2275
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:16,120
Speaker 3: This is the buzzing of flies to me. I don't

2276
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 3: I don't care. What's okay.

2277
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 1: I don't care about fairy versus char I'm not against

2278
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 1: him taking a tune up. Just enough of the bullshit.

2279
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:23,880
Speaker 1: Do what you're supposed to do, prove that you're the

2280
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 1: best heavyweight of this era, and we will laud you

2281
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 1: with love for the rest of your damn life. That's

2282
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 1: how it works. It's not that hard of an equation,

2283
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:32,720
Speaker 1: all right, Luke. Also in the news, UFC booking a

2284
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:35,680
Speaker 1: trio of interesting fights. I'm gonna read the date in

2285
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 1: the matchup. You tell me your reaction. We start December seventeenth,

2286
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:46,439
Speaker 1: armand Sarukian versus demere Ismagulav. Your feels at the moment?

2287
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 3: Uh, Not that I can say those names a whole

2288
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:51,840
Speaker 3: lot better, but that was a funny rendition. That is

2289
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 3: just an incredible contest, and that that is you know,

2290
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:56,800
Speaker 3: he just fought Gamrot, Sorry you can did so. Now

2291
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:00,559
Speaker 3: he's onto Ismagoulav. It's like they're not taking their time

2292
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:02,600
Speaker 3: with his development. And I don't know what that's gonna do.

2293
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:04,720
Speaker 3: I don't know what that's gonna do, but that is

2294
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:07,720
Speaker 3: one hell of a contest. If you don't know, Ismacgoulov

2295
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:12,080
Speaker 3: has a phenomenal jab fantastic distance management and boxing lights

2296
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 3: out takedown defense for the most part. So that's a

2297
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:18,040
Speaker 3: real tough challenge for Soyukin, whose striking is coming along

2298
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:20,719
Speaker 3: and whose takedowns are outrageous. But as we saw against Gamrot,

2299
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:23,599
Speaker 3: if somebody can really be forceful with their resistance, it's

2300
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 3: not as lights out as you might otherwise imagine. Although

2301
01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:28,760
Speaker 3: we're talking about only against other guys this young and

2302
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:32,639
Speaker 3: this talented, but dude, this next generation. They are taking

2303
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:35,720
Speaker 3: over and this is great either way. The winner here

2304
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:38,519
Speaker 3: would be very deserving. It's a big risk for sar Yuki,

2305
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 3: and given all the things that has happened already, he.

2306
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 1: Arman Saryuki and only loses the guys that are absolute

2307
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:47,040
Speaker 1: mf ors Luke, and he's pretty damn close to being

2308
01:47:47,120 --> 01:47:49,799
Speaker 1: right there along with them. This is tough as balls. Matchup.

2309
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 1: Can't wait, even if I can't pronounce anyone's name. January fourteenth,

2310
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 1: the first UFC Fight Night main event of the new year.

2311
01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 1: Kelvin Gastolon versus naserdine Ema.

2312
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:08,040
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Uh, fantastic fight. Imov is on his way,

2313
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 3: great guy out of obviously he trains with the MMA

2314
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:15,960
Speaker 3: factory in Paris and against Buckley kind of faded down

2315
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:19,640
Speaker 3: the stretch, so you wonder what the issue might be

2316
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:22,720
Speaker 3: if Gastlum is able to take it late and what

2317
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 3: a veteran like that could do. But also a time

2318
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:28,519
Speaker 3: for Gaslum, it's like, dude, his stock has slipped a lot.

2319
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 3: It slipped a lot. And remember this is the guy

2320
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:32,680
Speaker 3: who supposed to fight Whitaker and then didn't and then

2321
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:34,600
Speaker 3: fought Izzy and and the fight you were there for

2322
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:37,080
Speaker 3: and was and even though he lost, I thought that

2323
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:39,280
Speaker 3: was one of Gaslum's better performances in terms of the

2324
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:42,080
Speaker 3: skills he showed to to give. Is he a tough, tough,

2325
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 3: tough fight. But since then, dude, it's just been real

2326
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:48,400
Speaker 3: up and down and more down than up. And no

2327
01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:50,439
Speaker 3: one need unless your heart let me say this, unless

2328
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:52,200
Speaker 3: you're a hardcore fan. People don't know who imovov Is.

2329
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:55,320
Speaker 3: Ivov Is is probably going to be favored to beat him.

2330
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:58,400
Speaker 1: I know, I get, I know, I get labeled as

2331
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:01,439
Speaker 1: a Gastolum sympathizer, maybe because of the romanticism of that

2332
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 1: night at two thirty six in the front row with

2333
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:04,639
Speaker 1: that weird orange pullover that I wore.

2334
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:05,639
Speaker 3: Luke, But.

2335
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:09,840
Speaker 1: Is he always inconsistent? Yes, he could be just as

2336
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 1: good one night and then get stopped by Wideman Ramy

2337
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:15,680
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, like it just happens. The performance

2338
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:17,679
Speaker 1: of him against out of Soigny, you know it probably

2339
01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 1: gon d up being the best he ever was on

2340
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 1: a given night, and he was good enough that night

2341
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:23,600
Speaker 1: to you know, nearly damn steer the take away the

2342
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 1: interim title, would you say, at least if there's a

2343
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:28,559
Speaker 1: saving grace, you can only have so many losses before

2344
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:32,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna get rid of you, right, But the level

2345
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: of performance he's been putting out against Robert Whittaker as

2346
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:40,160
Speaker 1: Jared Cannoneers has still been pretty damn elite, Luke, So

2347
01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:42,640
Speaker 1: what does that make you? Middleweight Dan Hooker? Congratulations, but

2348
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 1: would you at least give me that that he's It's

2349
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:49,600
Speaker 1: not that he's fallen recklessly, he's just not winning consistently

2350
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 1: on the highest level.

2351
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like for example, like the fight against Jack

2352
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:57,760
Speaker 3: Hermanson was he was not even really there and it

2353
01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:58,960
Speaker 3: was just hardly any results.

2354
01:49:59,040 --> 01:49:59,639
Speaker 1: Yes, stinkers.

2355
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, but that like that should be factored in.

2356
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:05,840
Speaker 3: You're asking me like, is he is he a dangerous

2357
01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:10,360
Speaker 3: talented guy in the right circumstances and someone inconsistent with it? Yes,

2358
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:14,000
Speaker 3: but the reasons for the inconsistency is what gives me

2359
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:16,000
Speaker 3: a little bit of pause where he could be forced

2360
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 3: into long standing wrestling exchanges, particularly like if you saw

2361
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:20,840
Speaker 3: in the Kennedy fight. He didn't win it, but like

2362
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:23,439
Speaker 3: someone could reproduce it from the back or you know,

2363
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 3: his submission resistance or just the kind of the kind

2364
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:30,400
Speaker 3: of intensity he needs, Like the intensity he had in

2365
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 3: the in the Izzy fight was tremendous. Again, he pushed

2366
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:35,720
Speaker 3: him to the brink. I just haven't seen enough of

2367
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:37,560
Speaker 3: that since then, and I think that's really been a

2368
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:38,799
Speaker 3: bit of a problem for him.

2369
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did. Technically, he's still there. I mean, he

2370
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:43,559
Speaker 1: he was good to get in those high level losses.

2371
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:45,679
Speaker 1: But you know, you do have to win eventually. January

2372
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:49,040
Speaker 1: twenty third, in Brazil, you have to announcing robocops return

2373
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 1: Gregory Rodriguez against Brad Tavares.

2374
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:59,360
Speaker 3: Your reaction, So that's RoboCop, right, RoboCop taken on Brad Tavares,

2375
01:50:59,479 --> 01:51:02,040
Speaker 3: theiring him up the food chain man. Brad Tavar's is

2376
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:05,040
Speaker 3: one of those sort of like first early tests for like, Okay,

2377
01:51:05,120 --> 01:51:07,760
Speaker 3: you're gonna be something at Middlewait, remember what a big

2378
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:09,680
Speaker 3: deal it was when Shabazi and Blue Red through them.

2379
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,240
Speaker 3: Now it turned out that that he had subsequent issues

2380
01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 3: to that, But this is that, this is what they're

2381
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:17,800
Speaker 3: doing with RoboCop now, They're like, Okay, you have proven

2382
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:20,599
Speaker 3: enough against talented, dangerous guys who are outside of that,

2383
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 3: you know, fifteen ish orbit. Let's see what we can

2384
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:24,600
Speaker 3: do when we push you up the food chain a

2385
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 3: little bit. Brad Tavar is tough to beat. He can.

2386
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:31,160
Speaker 3: He has a tremendous chin. Fought very very good guys,

2387
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:33,880
Speaker 3: you know, against the Shabazi and it didn't go so

2388
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:35,840
Speaker 3: well for him. But in general, he's a handful well

2389
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 3: rounded trains with a good camp, good coach. That's a

2390
01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:39,599
Speaker 3: tough fight. We'll see.

2391
01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:42,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Look, the PFL had an interesting announcement. We know

2392
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 1: that November twenty fifth is what's likely going to be

2393
01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:49,479
Speaker 1: the date for the PFL Championships. Uh, there's no location yet,

2394
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:52,240
Speaker 1: but we got to fight. Added to that card, Shane

2395
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:55,599
Speaker 1: Burgos against Marlon ma Reisch. Both would be making their

2396
01:51:55,640 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 1: PFL debut. I get with ma Reich's situation. We're a

2397
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 1: little leery, but this fight, it doesn't suck, surely doesn't suck.

2398
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:07,599
Speaker 3: No, dude, Morish has been on a terrible losing streak

2399
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:10,439
Speaker 3: where his chin is completely gone, and he's gonna go

2400
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:14,360
Speaker 3: up to one forty five to fight a willing participant

2401
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:17,240
Speaker 3: in those exchanges, like I mean, I got worried at all.

2402
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:19,240
Speaker 1: I get you, I get you, Luke.

2403
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:21,320
Speaker 3: And also, dude, let's just say, let's be honest about that.

2404
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:22,640
Speaker 3: Am I gonna look at that card and be like

2405
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:24,519
Speaker 3: that's a bad card. No, I would not look at

2406
01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:25,880
Speaker 3: that card and say it's bad. To say it's pretty

2407
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,400
Speaker 3: good all things being told, But on pay per view,

2408
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 3: PFL is going to take a bath. They are going

2409
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:33,840
Speaker 3: to take a financial bath on that card. It is

2410
01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 3: not pay per view ready at all?

2411
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:37,800
Speaker 1: Is it definitely a pay per view?

2412
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:40,920
Speaker 3: I think I'm not sure if it's yes. I believe

2413
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:43,000
Speaker 3: that it is. I believe. I don't wrong me if

2414
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:43,880
Speaker 3: I'm wrong, but I believe that.

2415
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:47,960
Speaker 1: Right now, Here's how we stand. Kayla Harrison versus Larissa Pacheco.

2416
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:49,760
Speaker 1: Their their third meeting. This will be for the women

2417
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:52,720
Speaker 1: to win a championship. Yes, Bubba Jenkins Brendan locking in

2418
01:52:52,760 --> 01:52:55,559
Speaker 1: for the featherweight title, Olivier Obon Mercier and Stevie Ray

2419
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:58,640
Speaker 1: at lightweight for the belt, Sadabusi and Delano Taylor for

2420
01:52:58,680 --> 01:53:02,719
Speaker 1: the welterweight championship, omariach Medoff and Rob Wilkinson at light heavyweight,

2421
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:07,600
Speaker 1: for the title, Ante Delija and Mattea Scheffl for the

2422
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:11,120
Speaker 1: heavyweight title. Then you've got grgos Ma Reisch and then

2423
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:14,200
Speaker 1: you have Biaggio Ali Walsh, the son, the grandson. Excuse

2424
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:17,639
Speaker 1: me of Muhammad Ali making his debut there these.

2425
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:19,720
Speaker 3: Are fights, there's nothing wrong with him, but dude, that's

2426
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:21,960
Speaker 3: gonna tank on paper view.

2427
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:24,759
Speaker 1: You would almost need the next guy on the quick hitters,

2428
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:28,840
Speaker 1: Eddie Alvarez Luke who talked to Arieljjwani's MMA hour and

2429
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:31,639
Speaker 1: said he's got one more fight deal left in him,

2430
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:34,400
Speaker 1: three to four fights, and when it comes to he

2431
01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 1: says he's gonna have a meeting with everybody you'd expect,

2432
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:40,080
Speaker 1: but he's willing to go to either UFC and seek

2433
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:43,240
Speaker 1: the trilogy about with Michael Chandler or the PFL. The

2434
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:46,439
Speaker 1: one million dollar offer is not is not awful, Luke,

2435
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 1: or he's not leaving out a return to Bellator because

2436
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:52,160
Speaker 1: his issues, as you mentioned before, were with Bijorn Revenue,

2437
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:54,599
Speaker 1: not Scott Koker. So he's gonna hear from everybody and

2438
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:58,799
Speaker 1: make that pick. If PFL added him in a sexy matchup,

2439
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:01,400
Speaker 1: that could could change here. But what do you do.

2440
01:54:01,400 --> 01:54:03,639
Speaker 1: You have a favorite in this race for h for Addy.

2441
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 3: Avaas if I was him, and I you know, again

2442
01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:13,000
Speaker 3: almost forty not quite. I'm doing everything I can to

2443
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:17,479
Speaker 3: box Nate Dz. Yeah right, I just you know, PFL

2444
01:54:17,479 --> 01:54:20,920
Speaker 3: will probably pay him a good wage for sure. But

2445
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:23,840
Speaker 3: this to me is like, you know, he didn't fight

2446
01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:26,040
Speaker 3: chumps in one. I want to be very clear about that.

2447
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:28,920
Speaker 3: He fought good fighters, uh, and he got a he

2448
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:31,040
Speaker 3: got a nice win after getting dropped by Edward Fullying,

2449
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:34,200
Speaker 3: but he had you know that what that He's not

2450
01:54:34,280 --> 01:54:37,200
Speaker 3: prime to the Avarez anymore. He's not, and I think

2451
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 3: we just need to be accommodating of that in the matchmaking.

2452
01:54:40,160 --> 01:54:43,320
Speaker 3: So who would PFL would be a good matchup in

2453
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 3: that sense? And I don't think he should go into

2454
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:48,400
Speaker 3: that tournament either. Yeah, if I'm him, I'm trying to

2455
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:50,280
Speaker 3: box a Nate Dz or Jake Paul.

2456
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:54,640
Speaker 1: I'm him against him against Anthony Pettis somewhere at some weight.

2457
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:58,000
Speaker 3: Luke, Okay, but is that really going to move the needle?

2458
01:54:58,040 --> 01:54:58,920
Speaker 3: And two?

2459
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 1: No, No it's not. It's certainly not.

2460
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:04,160
Speaker 3: That's a very expensive fight that I don't think would

2461
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:06,200
Speaker 3: give you the kind of return it would have, say

2462
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:06,960
Speaker 3: six years ago.

2463
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:10,160
Speaker 1: What if BKFC overpays him to do with Mike Perry

2464
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:11,040
Speaker 1: pay per view fight.

2465
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:16,280
Speaker 3: That's that's something. Uh, you know, the weight would be

2466
01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:17,800
Speaker 3: a little bit of an issue there because he would

2467
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:23,200
Speaker 3: be a smaller one seventy. But that's that's possible. Oh god,

2468
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:26,000
Speaker 3: that is Can you imagine being forty years old, you

2469
01:55:26,040 --> 01:55:28,360
Speaker 3: gotta go fight Mike Perry bare knuckle for a check? Like,

2470
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:30,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd that's a that's a that's

2471
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:32,120
Speaker 3: a hard way to make a living man.

2472
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:34,840
Speaker 1: Every single fighter I talked to, from Keith Thurmon to

2473
01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:37,640
Speaker 1: A J McKee, when we bring up BKFC, and even

2474
01:55:37,640 --> 01:55:40,840
Speaker 1: when we mentioned, you know, relatively big names that went

2475
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:43,280
Speaker 1: there and got sliced up and carved up, they're like, oh,

2476
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:44,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get touched and I would do it in

2477
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 1: a second. Everybody says that that we that we ask, right,

2478
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:48,360
Speaker 1: They're always like.

2479
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 3: They all get touched up. They all get touched up.

2480
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:54,200
Speaker 1: They that, but like, because they're fighters at the core,

2481
01:55:54,280 --> 01:55:56,080
Speaker 1: they're like, I do that in a second for that money.

2482
01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:58,720
Speaker 1: So the fears may only be in our hearts, Luke

2483
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:00,480
Speaker 1: not there's okay, And that's what makes them.

2484
01:56:00,600 --> 01:56:02,440
Speaker 3: I know, but like you got to take fighters self

2485
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:04,640
Speaker 3: assessment with a grain of salt. I once I saw

2486
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:07,600
Speaker 3: Tom Kennedy being like, he's covered in blood. I forget

2487
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:10,200
Speaker 3: which fight it was, but there was just blood everywhere.

2488
01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:12,960
Speaker 3: And the post fight interviewer was like, you know, were

2489
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:14,880
Speaker 3: you worried about all the blood? He's like, Ah, it's

2490
01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:17,000
Speaker 3: just blood. I'm like, oh yeah, word, the thing that

2491
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:20,720
Speaker 3: gives you life, just yeah, I just don't mind losing

2492
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 3: two or three gallons of it. Like, you know, there

2493
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:27,800
Speaker 3: is their risk assessment and their medically advisable takes. Are

2494
01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:29,720
Speaker 3: you know things you need to be a little bit

2495
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:30,400
Speaker 3: cautious about.

2496
01:56:30,520 --> 01:56:32,040
Speaker 1: Do you like your freedom?

2497
01:56:32,680 --> 01:56:33,960
Speaker 3: I like my freedom? Fries?

2498
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:36,960
Speaker 1: Thank them? Okay, thank him for that. Look, we got

2499
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 1: a segment every week that we close with Fridays Morningcombat

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01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:44,240
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com is your entry to this dark

2501
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:47,080
Speaker 1: web of deceit and lies in which you think we've

2502
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:49,320
Speaker 1: made an error this week and we need to stand

2503
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:52,400
Speaker 1: trial because we're potentially dead wrong.

2504
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:57,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard that. The I'm told that the the

2505
01:56:58,200 --> 01:57:00,520
Speaker 3: what do you want to call it? The serving that

2506
01:57:00,600 --> 01:57:04,520
Speaker 3: we have today is yeah, it's like a foot long

2507
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:06,120
Speaker 3: hot dogg You and I are gonna have to munch

2508
01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:08,000
Speaker 3: on like lady in this tramp and then kiss at

2509
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:08,360
Speaker 3: the end.

2510
01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:10,840
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you better come with a receipt and you

2511
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:13,360
Speaker 1: better come original and bring it. Okay, here we go.

2512
01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:16,880
Speaker 1: Number one is from Owen W of the Netherlands. Wow

2513
01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:19,600
Speaker 1: he's Dutch. Luke, Hey guys, at one oh seven oh

2514
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:23,280
Speaker 1: one of Monday Show. Talking about Joe Joyce beating Joseph Parker,

2515
01:57:23,320 --> 01:57:29,240
Speaker 1: BC passionately states, I mean Parker's been stopped before, stop

2516
01:57:29,320 --> 01:57:33,480
Speaker 1: before stop by South Auckland's finest, perhaps for driving with

2517
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:35,920
Speaker 1: a faulty brake light, because he's sure as hell hadn't

2518
01:57:35,960 --> 01:57:39,080
Speaker 1: been stopped before. In professional boxing, he lost to AJ

2519
01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:42,240
Speaker 1: and Dillion White by unanimous decisions. Come on now, BC,

2520
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:45,320
Speaker 1: keep them tools sharp. I didn't make twenty five email

2521
01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:48,800
Speaker 1: accounts to vote for your washed asses for you boys

2522
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:51,480
Speaker 1: to lose that MMA award to a guy that is

2523
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:55,720
Speaker 1: at best at best five foot four. Uh owen W Wow,

2524
01:57:55,720 --> 01:57:59,080
Speaker 1: that is hilarious. So yeah, I was referencing in my

2525
01:57:59,120 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 1: head the Dillion White trying to remember if he got

2526
01:58:01,600 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 1: stop late in that he did, and he lost by decision.

2527
01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:05,200
Speaker 1: So there you go. I take the l I was

2528
01:58:05,200 --> 01:58:08,040
Speaker 1: wrong Okay, thank you, Owen. Look that didn't hurt that badly.

2529
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:11,960
Speaker 3: Okay, to listen. When they make the roast funny, it

2530
01:58:11,960 --> 01:58:13,960
Speaker 3: always makes the medicine go down a little bit easier.

2531
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:14,480
Speaker 3: That's true.

2532
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I told my new doctor yesterday, Luke,

2533
01:58:16,920 --> 01:58:18,480
Speaker 1: when he told me my liver levels are not where

2534
01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:19,960
Speaker 1: they should be and told me to lose twenty five

2535
01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:22,680
Speaker 1: pounds and I'm working on it. By the way, I said,

2536
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:26,400
Speaker 1: do you have anyone on staff with small fingers that

2537
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:28,960
Speaker 1: would be perfect for the prostate exam? That's my that's

2538
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:32,960
Speaker 1: my preference right right. He gave me it. He didn't like. Yeah,

2539
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:33,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2540
01:58:34,120 --> 01:58:36,960
Speaker 3: I hope Tony Robbins does your prostatic exams well.

2541
01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:40,440
Speaker 1: Hands smells like cabbage, all right? Looke number two here Greetings.

2542
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:42,880
Speaker 1: Dong's been a fan since the MMA beat days and

2543
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:45,520
Speaker 1: haven't missed a single episode of MK ever since it

2544
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:48,160
Speaker 1: came out. I'm from Peyrou, but I've been living in

2545
01:58:48,160 --> 01:58:49,800
Speaker 1: New York the last couple of years, so I can't

2546
01:58:49,800 --> 01:58:51,440
Speaker 1: wait for you boys to come and do a live

2547
01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:54,120
Speaker 1: show here. I'll be there one hundred percent. Anyways, I

2548
01:58:54,120 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 1: don't know if the fact that I was caught this

2549
01:58:56,360 --> 01:58:58,960
Speaker 1: by mistake by BC makes me a horrible person. But

2550
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:01,240
Speaker 1: at twenty four to thirty seven of Monday Show, Brian

2551
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:04,600
Speaker 1: said that quote you never see Mackenzie without her husband

2552
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:08,280
Speaker 1: or daughter, that is dead wrong. She hasn't been seen

2553
01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:10,800
Speaker 1: with her husband for months now, and not only that,

2554
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:13,640
Speaker 1: she has deleted every photo she had with him on IG.

2555
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:16,200
Speaker 1: If you look at the comments on some of her

2556
01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:19,960
Speaker 1: more bblish posts, there's always a bunch of degenerates like

2557
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:23,200
Speaker 1: myself saying how she's got that recently single goal? Are

2558
01:59:23,200 --> 01:59:25,720
Speaker 1: we really doing this right now? Does she qualify as

2559
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:29,120
Speaker 1: a BBL? I guess you'll have to ask Luke. This

2560
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:32,880
Speaker 1: is al l and he closes with bonus track. During

2561
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:36,200
Speaker 1: Luke's latest live chat, he said that Christopher Waltz from

2562
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:40,280
Speaker 1: Inglorius Bastard's is German, when in fact he's Austrian. Hope

2563
01:59:40,280 --> 01:59:41,680
Speaker 1: to see you soon in New York. I'll give you

2564
01:59:41,720 --> 01:59:44,280
Speaker 1: the name of the best Peruvian restaurant. It's way better

2565
01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:49,000
Speaker 1: than Colombian food. Lukedo, Wow, al is throwing darts out here, Luke,

2566
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:49,640
Speaker 1: he is right.

2567
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:53,200
Speaker 3: The best food in South America is Peruvian. That's a fact.

2568
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:56,120
Speaker 3: That's a fact. But yeah, he also sounds like a prick,

2569
01:59:56,280 --> 01:59:57,040
Speaker 3: so fuck.

2570
01:59:56,880 --> 01:59:59,800
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I didn't look that closely. I didn't

2571
01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:01,760
Speaker 1: look that hard if I hope that has been still

2572
02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:03,680
Speaker 1: in the picture, Luke, I don't know, but he's climbing.

2573
02:00:04,120 --> 02:00:06,400
Speaker 1: It's not our that's not our area, right, we went down.

2574
02:00:06,360 --> 02:00:10,040
Speaker 3: That bizarre dead wrong. But maybe he's right. Maybe there's

2575
02:00:10,040 --> 02:00:11,840
Speaker 3: something to I've not looked at them follow her on

2576
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:12,360
Speaker 3: social media.

2577
02:00:12,360 --> 02:00:13,880
Speaker 1: I got caught in that. I thought T Shirt and

2578
02:00:13,960 --> 02:00:15,800
Speaker 1: Rocky had fallen apart a few times. But Luke, the

2579
02:00:15,880 --> 02:00:18,680
Speaker 1: rings are there now. I'm happy for them. They made it. Okay, Luke,

2580
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:22,400
Speaker 1: I hope that. Yeah, you're like, move on, BC, thank you.

2581
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:27,640
Speaker 1: This is Rick b Hello, you washed beer pouring fool.

2582
02:00:28,120 --> 02:00:29,920
Speaker 1: Not sure if you count this as a dead wrong,

2583
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:33,920
Speaker 1: but by your definition, however, watching BC poor beer during

2584
02:00:33,960 --> 02:00:37,360
Speaker 1: Room Service Diaries with Chuck at thirty five twenty mark

2585
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:41,000
Speaker 1: really hurt me personally, pained me to the core. If

2586
02:00:41,040 --> 02:00:45,080
Speaker 1: you will, my soul in BC might understand what that is,

2587
02:00:45,120 --> 02:00:49,080
Speaker 1: he cried out in utter condemnation. I can understand why

2588
02:00:49,080 --> 02:00:51,760
Speaker 1: BC's liver is black, as it has revolted to the

2589
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:55,360
Speaker 1: total disrespect one should have when pouring a beer to

2590
02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:58,040
Speaker 1: hold the glass upright and pour from ten feet above

2591
02:00:58,160 --> 02:01:00,400
Speaker 1: was a giant slap in the face to the bear

2592
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:04,080
Speaker 1: into Chuck. Granted, neither can fight back. However, had I

2593
02:01:04,160 --> 02:01:06,320
Speaker 1: been there, I would have given BC a sternly warded

2594
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:10,600
Speaker 1: rebuke about how incompetently he attempted to fill Chuck's glass.

2595
02:01:10,760 --> 02:01:13,520
Speaker 1: Holy fuck, learned to tilt the glass a little, and

2596
02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:15,360
Speaker 1: then you do not get a glass full of head

2597
02:01:15,640 --> 02:01:18,240
Speaker 1: For someone who seems as adverse to talking about giving

2598
02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:21,360
Speaker 1: head to others, BC, you gave head really well.

2599
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:24,640
Speaker 3: So you see, I have something interesting for you. It's

2600
02:01:24,680 --> 02:01:27,840
Speaker 3: funny that this guy brought this up. I actually went

2601
02:01:27,880 --> 02:01:30,160
Speaker 3: down some YouTube rabbit hole a couple of weeks ago

2602
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:34,000
Speaker 3: or something, and I saw, you know what a cicero is.

2603
02:01:36,040 --> 02:01:39,240
Speaker 3: No cicero is like a It's the It's the beer

2604
02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:41,760
Speaker 3: version of being a Somalia, right, So you're a Somalia

2605
02:01:41,880 --> 02:01:44,000
Speaker 3: for wine. A cicero is what you would call that

2606
02:01:44,120 --> 02:01:46,800
Speaker 3: rough equivalent in the beer world. So someone who knows

2607
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:49,120
Speaker 3: a lot about beer and curates it and all that

2608
02:01:49,160 --> 02:01:49,600
Speaker 3: kind of shit.

2609
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Smalians, Yeah, I know them, Luke.

2610
02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:54,760
Speaker 3: I saw that. That's they're from East Africa. That's a

2611
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:57,800
Speaker 3: little different, but okay, what else What I was trying

2612
02:01:57,840 --> 02:02:00,320
Speaker 3: to say was he actually said it's not correct to

2613
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:02,720
Speaker 3: tilt the glass. And what he said was the reason

2614
02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:05,400
Speaker 3: people tilt the glass is because you think of a

2615
02:02:05,480 --> 02:02:08,520
Speaker 3: keg party and you're trying to fill the solo cup

2616
02:02:08,520 --> 02:02:10,400
Speaker 3: as fast as possible. You don't want the top to

2617
02:02:10,440 --> 02:02:11,800
Speaker 3: be filled with heads, so you're just trying to get

2618
02:02:11,840 --> 02:02:14,320
Speaker 3: as much beer into the glass or the cup and

2619
02:02:14,360 --> 02:02:16,560
Speaker 3: out as possible. But if you actually want to enjoy

2620
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:18,120
Speaker 3: the beer, this is what he said, so I'm just

2621
02:02:18,160 --> 02:02:20,040
Speaker 3: gonna repeat it. What you actually want to do is

2622
02:02:20,080 --> 02:02:22,680
Speaker 3: you do want to pour it straight down and actually

2623
02:02:22,680 --> 02:02:26,240
Speaker 3: give it time for the head to appear, because that

2624
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:28,480
Speaker 3: will allow you to enjoy more of the aroma of

2625
02:02:28,520 --> 02:02:30,800
Speaker 3: the beer and bring some of its flavors to life

2626
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:33,560
Speaker 3: and the process. I didn't know that. I've never double

2627
02:02:33,680 --> 02:02:36,800
Speaker 3: checked that. But if that's the case, then this guy

2628
02:02:36,920 --> 02:02:38,520
Speaker 3: is wrong and you were right.

2629
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:41,520
Speaker 1: Wow, it wouldn't be Luke Thomas without coming up with it. Well,

2630
02:02:41,560 --> 02:02:44,200
Speaker 1: actually it's right, and I heard your synopsis and it

2631
02:02:44,240 --> 02:02:46,760
Speaker 1: probably is right. But Luke, am I really dead wrong?

2632
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:46,920
Speaker 6: Here?

2633
02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:47,240
Speaker 1: By Rick?

2634
02:02:47,680 --> 02:02:49,680
Speaker 3: I know that's the thing people I know people again,

2635
02:02:49,720 --> 02:02:51,320
Speaker 3: people hate this kind of shit, and I get it,

2636
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:53,320
Speaker 3: but it's like, if that's the actual truth, why aren't

2637
02:02:53,320 --> 02:02:54,560
Speaker 3: you supposed to say it? I don't.

2638
02:02:54,920 --> 02:02:57,320
Speaker 1: Thanks, yeah, but here's the deal.

2639
02:02:57,400 --> 02:03:00,600
Speaker 3: Lose my balls? How about that, Rick B how about you.

2640
02:03:00,520 --> 02:03:02,960
Speaker 1: Suck my balls? I don't mean to break k fame here,

2641
02:03:03,320 --> 02:03:05,680
Speaker 1: and believe me, anyone that's you know, growing up with

2642
02:03:05,680 --> 02:03:08,320
Speaker 1: me in Connecticut. Notice I've I've had a few piss

2643
02:03:08,400 --> 02:03:11,440
Speaker 1: poors in my life. Believe me, a lot of head there, Luke,

2644
02:03:12,040 --> 02:03:15,080
Speaker 1: I tell you, do you know the comedic options that

2645
02:03:15,160 --> 02:03:17,640
Speaker 1: open up if I purposely pissed poor on a live

2646
02:03:17,760 --> 02:03:21,480
Speaker 1: show with Dick jokes, I now have more opportunity, Luke

2647
02:03:21,800 --> 02:03:23,240
Speaker 1: to give him the jokes.

2648
02:03:23,880 --> 02:03:25,480
Speaker 3: I won't defend your stupid jokes.

2649
02:03:25,480 --> 02:03:28,760
Speaker 1: That one sucked, but sometimes the shittiest jokes is the

2650
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:31,600
Speaker 1: perfect gateway to comedy that you never saw coming. And

2651
02:03:31,600 --> 02:03:33,440
Speaker 1: by the way, that episode of Room Service Diaries, the

2652
02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:35,640
Speaker 1: most recent one with Chuck Minnenhall, you can check out

2653
02:03:35,720 --> 02:03:38,040
Speaker 1: right now at YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat. I

2654
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:40,240
Speaker 1: want look, I don't normally rewatch these. I watched the

2655
02:03:40,280 --> 02:03:42,680
Speaker 1: whole thing. It's great, dude, it's great.

2656
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:45,080
Speaker 3: It's great. I really came out quite well. Yes, I

2657
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:47,280
Speaker 3: really enjoyed Chuck's great.

2658
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:50,040
Speaker 1: Was it a piss poor? Of course? Was it purposeful?

2659
02:03:50,120 --> 02:03:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean you do the math bro Okay, all right,

2660
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:55,560
Speaker 1: it's not. I mean we all can't be professional.

2661
02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:57,960
Speaker 3: Se fucking get through these Jesus.

2662
02:03:58,280 --> 02:04:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, why would we have any more fun with time

2663
02:04:00,600 --> 02:04:02,680
Speaker 1: to go home and complain about our jobs? Yeah? All right, Look,

2664
02:04:02,720 --> 02:04:06,200
Speaker 1: let's go over here to Dana Blanco. Is that Dana White?

2665
02:04:06,640 --> 02:04:09,120
Speaker 1: Good Day Team Morning Combat. This is my first dead

2666
02:04:09,120 --> 02:04:11,040
Speaker 1: wrong submission, and I'm hesitant to bring it up. But

2667
02:04:11,040 --> 02:04:13,600
Speaker 1: at twenty four to forty five of Wednesday show, Luke

2668
02:04:13,680 --> 02:04:16,320
Speaker 1: blindly states that he doesn't go anywhere without his wife

2669
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:19,560
Speaker 1: and child either. Well, Admiral donk do you travel to

2670
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:21,720
Speaker 1: the orchids of Combat studio with your wife and child?

2671
02:04:21,880 --> 02:04:25,400
Speaker 3: So tell the show dead wrongs? I mean, oh my god,

2672
02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:28,920
Speaker 3: are these statements of literal truth or generalities about the

2673
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:31,520
Speaker 3: way in which we live our life? These are terrible

2674
02:04:31,560 --> 02:04:32,200
Speaker 3: dead wrongs.

2675
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:36,440
Speaker 1: I think, not major Unicorn vape. That would be dead

2676
02:04:36,440 --> 02:04:39,600
Speaker 1: wrong if you did keep calm and never speak in absolutes. Again,

2677
02:04:39,720 --> 02:04:41,480
Speaker 1: this is what happens when Mikey goes on vacation, right,

2678
02:04:41,520 --> 02:04:42,280
Speaker 1: we have no filter.

2679
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was that. No one did the quality control.

2680
02:04:44,680 --> 02:04:45,800
Speaker 3: All right, let's burn through this.

2681
02:04:46,160 --> 02:04:48,760
Speaker 1: All right. Mike Jay says on Wednesday show at an

2682
02:04:48,760 --> 02:04:51,600
Speaker 1: hour and fourteen BC stated that the positive tests by

2683
02:04:51,720 --> 02:04:54,440
Speaker 1: USADA no longer go public. That's dead wrong as fuck.

2684
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:56,760
Speaker 1: It's not that they no longer go public with the

2685
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:59,400
Speaker 1: positive tests, it's that they wait until the fighter in

2686
02:04:59,480 --> 02:05:01,720
Speaker 1: question is go on through any disputes he may have,

2687
02:05:02,160 --> 02:05:04,800
Speaker 1: i e. The tainted supplement defense if it was to

2688
02:05:04,840 --> 02:05:07,640
Speaker 1: avoid having fighters get heavily criticized by everyone as a

2689
02:05:07,720 --> 02:05:10,720
Speaker 1: cheater for a ped they never intentionally used when the

2690
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:14,320
Speaker 1: news initially breaks, which can harm reputation in the eyes

2691
02:05:14,360 --> 02:05:16,800
Speaker 1: of many who aren't Luke Trt Thomas, Mike Jay, you

2692
02:05:16,920 --> 02:05:20,640
Speaker 1: are correct. I'll take that somewhat pedantic, dead wrong And.

2693
02:05:21,080 --> 02:05:22,200
Speaker 3: No, he's right about that.

2694
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:24,560
Speaker 1: No, I mean he's right, but like I meant that

2695
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:27,000
Speaker 1: at the same time, Luke, I was kind of speaking generically.

2696
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:28,680
Speaker 1: But you know, he is right. There are people who

2697
02:05:28,920 --> 02:05:32,240
Speaker 1: gotten screwed by USADA. So does this rule and theory

2698
02:05:32,280 --> 02:05:35,000
Speaker 1: have protective elements to it, Yes, Luke, but doesn't mean

2699
02:05:35,240 --> 02:05:37,839
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in theory, the you know, Senator

2700
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:40,280
Speaker 1: Palpatine had good intentions on paper in theory, Luke.

2701
02:05:40,760 --> 02:05:43,880
Speaker 3: Then he killed all the Jedies, right, dude, he have

2702
02:05:44,360 --> 02:05:45,839
Speaker 3: Anakin slaughter the children.

2703
02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, Anakin is such a bitch man. I

2704
02:05:48,240 --> 02:05:50,560
Speaker 1: mean he's the worst. How did a guy that lame

2705
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:53,680
Speaker 1: become that much of a badass? You know trauma, that's

2706
02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:54,800
Speaker 1: how okay?

2707
02:05:55,080 --> 02:05:59,160
Speaker 3: And he had fucking gave birth to a whiny kid too, Luke.

2708
02:05:59,200 --> 02:06:00,920
Speaker 3: Skywalker's the hero in.

2709
02:06:01,080 --> 02:06:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in episode six he's such a badass, Luke

2710
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:05,480
Speaker 1: that you can forgive it all you really can. You

2711
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:07,400
Speaker 1: have to. I mean he's lame when he's old.

2712
02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:10,320
Speaker 3: But Prime six he had some BD.

2713
02:06:10,680 --> 02:06:15,400
Speaker 1: But an episode we took Downtown, Yeah, that was great.

2714
02:06:15,560 --> 02:06:19,360
Speaker 3: Episode four he was a fucking incel. God, he was annoying.

2715
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:23,800
Speaker 1: This is Joel c Hey, donks Alex Alex from Atlanta.

2716
02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:25,960
Speaker 1: Here there was say Joel c At the end got

2717
02:06:25,960 --> 02:06:29,080
Speaker 1: two dead wrongs from Wednesday's episode. During the five movie segment,

2718
02:06:29,160 --> 02:06:32,320
Speaker 1: Luke said that Gail Garcia Bernal, the star of the

2719
02:06:32,360 --> 02:06:35,120
Speaker 1: foreign film he recommended, was in Coco and Hans of Stone.

2720
02:06:35,320 --> 02:06:37,360
Speaker 1: While he wasn't Coco, he wasn't in Hands of Stone.

2721
02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:38,640
Speaker 1: That was Edgar Ramirez.

2722
02:06:39,080 --> 02:06:40,360
Speaker 3: Ah.

2723
02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:43,440
Speaker 1: Also, when explaining the plot for Sean of the Dead,

2724
02:06:43,520 --> 02:06:46,120
Speaker 1: Luke said that Sean gets fired. That's dead wrong. He

2725
02:06:46,160 --> 02:06:49,240
Speaker 1: gets dumped by his girlfriend, not fired. Thanks, boys, loved

2726
02:06:49,240 --> 02:06:51,240
Speaker 1: the show in the athletic greens all right.

2727
02:06:51,120 --> 02:06:53,080
Speaker 3: Fair enough. I knew it was some kind of traumatic

2728
02:06:53,200 --> 02:06:54,800
Speaker 3: like you're done here moment, but it's been a while

2729
02:06:54,840 --> 02:06:56,160
Speaker 3: since I've seen it. Yeah, fair enough.

2730
02:06:56,240 --> 02:06:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't know who sent that in, but thank you

2731
02:06:57,680 --> 02:06:58,800
Speaker 1: whoever did. Let's go to Zach.

2732
02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:01,240
Speaker 3: We're surprised you had seen there. That's a that's I mean,

2733
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:02,480
Speaker 3: that's right up your alley.

2734
02:07:02,760 --> 02:07:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I saw Boondock Saints. Isn't that enough UK

2735
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:05,360
Speaker 1: in my life?

2736
02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:05,640
Speaker 3: Luke?

2737
02:07:06,680 --> 02:07:07,800
Speaker 1: Where's that Ireland too?

2738
02:07:08,320 --> 02:07:11,840
Speaker 3: That's what they play American? They play there, well like

2739
02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:14,400
Speaker 3: it takes place in America. All right.

2740
02:07:14,480 --> 02:07:16,360
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up playing soccer like everybody else, Luke.

2741
02:07:16,360 --> 02:07:16,720
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

2742
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:19,800
Speaker 1: Let's go over to Zach s from Australia. Good day, donks.

2743
02:07:19,800 --> 02:07:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm coming after Luke's upper bound limit phrase. I heard

2744
02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:25,640
Speaker 1: on a previous MK that Luke said he got the

2745
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:29,560
Speaker 1: phrase from calculus and or mathematics. My housemaid is doing

2746
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:32,480
Speaker 1: his honors. In math and informed me that there is

2747
02:07:32,520 --> 02:07:35,840
Speaker 1: an upper or lower bound in mathematics, and there is

2748
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:39,800
Speaker 1: even the upper and lower bound of a limit. However,

2749
02:07:39,840 --> 02:07:42,400
Speaker 1: the term upper bound limit is not a mathematical term.

2750
02:07:42,520 --> 02:07:45,080
Speaker 3: Yes, because I borrowed that and put it together on

2751
02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:48,080
Speaker 3: my own, not that it's a direct terminology segment.

2752
02:07:48,360 --> 02:07:49,920
Speaker 1: Blows, dude, These.

2753
02:07:49,800 --> 02:07:54,320
Speaker 3: Are the fucking worst dead wrong, Yes, of course you okay.

2754
02:07:54,400 --> 02:07:56,320
Speaker 1: These must be the ones that get the wheat just

2755
02:07:56,360 --> 02:07:57,320
Speaker 1: gets cut by Mike.

2756
02:07:57,360 --> 02:08:00,160
Speaker 3: You know what, we let this be a less listen

2757
02:08:00,240 --> 02:08:02,680
Speaker 3: to you and me BC. I mean, I know, for example,

2758
02:08:02,720 --> 02:08:04,800
Speaker 3: that you talk all that shit about Mikey when no

2759
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:06,840
Speaker 3: one's looking. You should really dial that back, you know

2760
02:08:06,840 --> 02:08:09,120
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. He serves a valuable role on this show.

2761
02:08:09,160 --> 02:08:14,760
Speaker 1: I love Mikey, Mike's family all right sometimes, but Jesus,

2762
02:08:14,800 --> 02:08:16,480
Speaker 1: Mikey really puts in the quality control.

2763
02:08:16,600 --> 02:08:16,800
Speaker 3: You know.

2764
02:08:16,920 --> 02:08:19,520
Speaker 1: Okay, they're telling us to skip number eight. It's a repeat.

2765
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:21,320
Speaker 1: Oh good, Okay, let's go over to here. This is

2766
02:08:21,400 --> 02:08:24,240
Speaker 1: Ray m Let's put some respect on Joe Joyce's name

2767
02:08:24,280 --> 02:08:27,960
Speaker 1: Birdman style. He brutally kot Parker. Luke emphatically said that, yeah,

2768
02:08:27,960 --> 02:08:29,440
Speaker 1: we already went through this we already took the l

2769
02:08:29,560 --> 02:08:32,880
Speaker 1: okay keep boxing alive. Yeah, ray, hey, we already took

2770
02:08:32,920 --> 02:08:34,840
Speaker 1: the l for that, all right, keep up with us.

2771
02:08:35,120 --> 02:08:35,200
Speaker 3: Uh.

2772
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:39,960
Speaker 1: Finally, this is from Oscar l At one sixteen forty

2773
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:42,040
Speaker 1: a Friday Show. Luke says that Tom Hardy plays the

2774
02:08:42,040 --> 02:08:43,640
Speaker 1: more unhinged brother of the two.

2775
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:45,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. I already went over this, but yes, he's right

2776
02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:46,200
Speaker 3: good this.

2777
02:08:46,480 --> 02:08:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, Oscar, we got it already. Okay.

2778
02:08:48,360 --> 02:08:51,080
Speaker 3: PS, he played the twins. I remembered him more for

2779
02:08:51,120 --> 02:08:53,360
Speaker 3: the unhinged twin, but he played the twins.

2780
02:08:53,600 --> 02:08:56,320
Speaker 1: I mean okay. PS. If Luke and Tom Hardy ever met,

2781
02:08:56,320 --> 02:08:59,280
Speaker 1: Tom would high crotch run the pipe gain north south

2782
02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:02,520
Speaker 1: position and so met Luke via tap to pure BD.

2783
02:09:03,120 --> 02:09:05,000
Speaker 1: So put some damn respect on his name.

2784
02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:08,280
Speaker 3: Wow, No, people they know. They tell you that he's

2785
02:09:08,280 --> 02:09:11,160
Speaker 3: won grappling tournaments without telling you which tournament or which opponents,

2786
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:14,040
Speaker 3: because it's just a local blue belt like whatever. It's

2787
02:09:14,080 --> 02:09:16,720
Speaker 3: not nothing. It's important to go do those, but it's

2788
02:09:16,760 --> 02:09:20,760
Speaker 3: not like evidence of significant prowess. That's not what it

2789
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:23,080
Speaker 3: means at all. Just you know, I'm telling you if

2790
02:09:23,080 --> 02:09:24,680
Speaker 3: you go to jiu jitsu schools and just hang out

2791
02:09:24,720 --> 02:09:26,560
Speaker 3: for a year. These people who go and compete, they

2792
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:28,680
Speaker 3: compete every weekend, and then it's like who did you beat?

2793
02:09:28,720 --> 02:09:31,360
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, I beat another guy who's also

2794
02:09:31,360 --> 02:09:34,280
Speaker 3: an accountant in a nearby town. Like okay, great, that

2795
02:09:34,280 --> 02:09:35,240
Speaker 3: doesn't tell you a whole lot.

2796
02:09:35,880 --> 02:09:38,680
Speaker 1: Ryan Hall looks like an accountant, but he'll tap your ass, liv.

2797
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:40,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he has titles at the black belt level.

2798
02:09:40,880 --> 02:09:44,760
Speaker 3: That's different. That's different, and in legitimate tournaments with opponents

2799
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:47,360
Speaker 3: who know you know who, they are very different.

2800
02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:52,560
Speaker 1: Very Dylan danis, Yeah, very different. That's the show. I'm

2801
02:09:52,560 --> 02:09:54,600
Speaker 1: sorry if I abbloviated too much. We went over two

2802
02:09:54,640 --> 02:09:56,600
Speaker 1: hours for the second time this week. You know that's

2803
02:09:56,640 --> 02:09:56,880
Speaker 1: on me?

2804
02:09:56,960 --> 02:09:59,240
Speaker 3: Then, Okay, it definitely is on you because I don't

2805
02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:01,280
Speaker 3: like going over the two limits. So anytime we do,

2806
02:10:01,560 --> 02:10:03,040
Speaker 3: there's one got to blame for that.

2807
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to start my own podcast. It's going to

2808
02:10:05,240 --> 02:10:07,240
Speaker 1: go all day, every day. It's gonna be called The

2809
02:10:07,360 --> 02:10:10,040
Speaker 1: Human Podcast. It's always going to be on Luke. I'll

2810
02:10:10,080 --> 02:10:11,480
Speaker 1: just be talking, all right, I'll.

2811
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:14,400
Speaker 3: The truth show your version of it, yeah, and I'll.

2812
02:10:14,280 --> 02:10:16,400
Speaker 1: Have a live super chat going Luke. It'll be great.

2813
02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:18,880
Speaker 1: Do you give more? Like a better answer, the more

2814
02:10:18,920 --> 02:10:21,160
Speaker 1: they spend hold on.

2815
02:10:21,200 --> 02:10:22,880
Speaker 3: Did you hear this story? I mean you may have

2816
02:10:22,920 --> 02:10:27,920
Speaker 3: followed it, BC Luis Es. I'm sure there's an na

2817
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:31,400
Speaker 3: there or not. The boxer who he finally died. Did

2818
02:10:31,440 --> 02:10:32,000
Speaker 3: you hear about this?

2819
02:10:32,560 --> 02:10:35,520
Speaker 1: I did not see that news, but twenty.

2820
02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:37,480
Speaker 3: Five years old, he was gonna he had a knockout

2821
02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:42,360
Speaker 3: loss to Jose Muno's at the Cold Seo Elias Chegwin

2822
02:10:42,440 --> 02:10:45,760
Speaker 3: in Badancija, Columbia. Anyway, he went to the he went

2823
02:10:45,800 --> 02:10:49,200
Speaker 3: to the er and as of Thursday night, I guess

2824
02:10:49,240 --> 02:10:51,720
Speaker 3: now he was pronounced dead. Twenty five years old died

2825
02:10:51,720 --> 02:10:56,720
Speaker 3: in boxing and according to this ESPN report, the fight

2826
02:10:56,800 --> 02:10:58,600
Speaker 3: had gone I'm trying to see how long it had

2827
02:10:58,640 --> 02:11:00,720
Speaker 3: gone back and forth fight. In the eighth round, Munos

2828
02:11:00,760 --> 02:11:03,880
Speaker 3: lost his mouth guard and referee Mercado sent Kenons to

2829
02:11:03,920 --> 02:11:06,240
Speaker 3: a neutral corner while Munhos was getting his mouthquard back

2830
02:11:06,240 --> 02:11:09,000
Speaker 3: and Gens was on waddly legs in the ring at

2831
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:11,160
Speaker 3: that point. When the fight continued. After a punch, he

2832
02:11:11,200 --> 02:11:12,840
Speaker 3: was knocked down, put on a stretcher and taken to

2833
02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:16,680
Speaker 3: the hospital. He later died. So tragedy, tragedy in the

2834
02:11:16,720 --> 02:11:18,840
Speaker 3: boxing world to put it. I mean, I hate to

2835
02:11:18,920 --> 02:11:20,240
Speaker 3: end the show on that note, but it just came

2836
02:11:20,320 --> 02:11:20,960
Speaker 3: up in the wire.

2837
02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:25,040
Speaker 1: So back to Mikey and Amsterdam. No, yeah, you're right, Luke,

2838
02:11:25,040 --> 02:11:27,000
Speaker 1: you're right. And by the way, thanks to everybody who

2839
02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:30,160
Speaker 1: supported Courtney on our show and her Haymakers for Hope fight.

2840
02:11:30,240 --> 02:11:33,320
Speaker 1: It was an absolute brawl. I'm hoping that we can

2841
02:11:33,320 --> 02:11:34,880
Speaker 1: get her on the show to recap it. Luke, maybe

2842
02:11:34,880 --> 02:11:35,920
Speaker 1: you can dissect the video.

2843
02:11:36,040 --> 02:11:37,880
Speaker 3: All right, I'm told we're going to have her in

2844
02:11:37,960 --> 02:11:40,200
Speaker 3: studio on Monday to talk about it, so I look

2845
02:11:40,240 --> 02:11:40,840
Speaker 3: forward to it.

2846
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:45,800
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Bush, some gave all in that fight. Wow. Wow. Also, Luke,

2847
02:11:45,880 --> 02:11:47,920
Speaker 1: I want to tip of the cap to a guy

2848
02:11:47,960 --> 02:11:49,680
Speaker 1: that's been big in our career as the CBS Sports

2849
02:11:49,720 --> 02:11:52,920
Speaker 1: Karen Portley, who's moving on to New Adventures and was

2850
02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:55,880
Speaker 1: a you know, big backer in Morning Combat and.

2851
02:11:55,880 --> 02:11:58,320
Speaker 3: Uh he recruited me.

2852
02:11:58,600 --> 02:12:01,440
Speaker 1: He's straight up during the pandemic recruited you. And you know,

2853
02:12:01,480 --> 02:12:03,440
Speaker 1: I'll be thankful for him helping us take this show

2854
02:12:03,480 --> 02:12:05,440
Speaker 1: to the next level and all all the times up

2855
02:12:05,440 --> 02:12:08,120
Speaker 1: and down the road, so special high five in that direction.

2856
02:12:08,960 --> 02:12:11,360
Speaker 3: So if I call him, will he answer the phone?

2857
02:12:11,840 --> 02:12:14,040
Speaker 1: Probably not? Probably I'm still waiting for my call. Yeah,

2858
02:12:14,080 --> 02:12:14,560
Speaker 1: but we love you.

2859
02:12:14,760 --> 02:12:17,040
Speaker 3: I've told a story before. I texted him on vacation

2860
02:12:17,160 --> 02:12:20,560
Speaker 3: because he's got family from South America as well, and

2861
02:12:20,560 --> 02:12:22,200
Speaker 3: I text him about a certain place I was because

2862
02:12:22,200 --> 02:12:24,280
Speaker 3: we had previously had a conversation about it and I

2863
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:27,320
Speaker 3: was actually in that place and I texted him and

2864
02:12:27,400 --> 02:12:29,840
Speaker 3: he goes, I'm sorry, I don't know who this is.

2865
02:12:32,440 --> 02:12:34,400
Speaker 1: And if you got that's hilarious and that is who

2866
02:12:34,440 --> 02:12:36,560
Speaker 1: he is. But Poort was also the you know, one

2867
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:38,640
Speaker 1: half of the brain child behind ESPNS, mm A Live,

2868
02:12:38,720 --> 02:12:42,560
Speaker 1: among many other things, so used to work for the UFC.

2869
02:12:42,960 --> 02:12:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll see him again one day, and thank

2870
02:12:45,160 --> 02:12:47,480
Speaker 1: you for helping MK get to that next level. Finally,

2871
02:12:47,600 --> 02:12:49,520
Speaker 1: your final day if you want to vote to help

2872
02:12:49,600 --> 02:12:52,400
Speaker 1: us win yet another award, is his world MMA dot Awards

2873
02:12:52,440 --> 02:12:55,360
Speaker 1: dot com slash nominees or the QR code below. We're

2874
02:12:55,440 --> 02:12:57,600
Speaker 1: up for Best MMA Programming. Can we win at the

2875
02:12:57,600 --> 02:12:59,600
Speaker 1: second straight year? This is your last chance to make

2876
02:12:59,640 --> 02:13:01,840
Speaker 1: fifty fake email accounts and do that for us if

2877
02:13:01,880 --> 02:13:04,640
Speaker 1: that's your trade. Luke Thomas, you got anything to say

2878
02:13:04,640 --> 02:13:06,760
Speaker 1: ahead of this? This fun weekend of fights.

2879
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:09,000
Speaker 3: A lot to get to let's see. I think one

2880
02:13:09,080 --> 02:13:11,480
Speaker 3: is tonight, right, and then you got Belator and UFC

2881
02:13:11,560 --> 02:13:13,680
Speaker 3: and I think they're going to be a different times tomorrow.

2882
02:13:13,760 --> 02:13:15,920
Speaker 3: So enjoy all of that. And we're going to have

2883
02:13:16,040 --> 02:13:20,200
Speaker 3: a Monday in studio show ye New Dogs to recap

2884
02:13:20,200 --> 02:13:21,400
Speaker 3: everything should be a lot of fun.

2885
02:13:21,560 --> 02:13:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get that studio life going. Also, Luke, we

2886
02:13:24,520 --> 02:13:28,320
Speaker 1: have a documentary number seven that is in the final stages.

2887
02:13:28,720 --> 02:13:31,760
Speaker 1: It's twice as long as any dock before it, and

2888
02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:34,520
Speaker 1: maybe the last doc we ever do. But it's pretty

2889
02:13:34,600 --> 02:13:36,640
Speaker 1: damn epic what I've seen of it. Are you getting

2890
02:13:36,680 --> 02:13:39,200
Speaker 1: fired up? I believe we're releasing this within the next

2891
02:13:39,200 --> 02:13:41,240
Speaker 1: two weeks. I'm so excited.

2892
02:13:41,640 --> 02:13:44,280
Speaker 3: My wife makes a cameo in this one, so does Twoky,

2893
02:13:44,360 --> 02:13:47,040
Speaker 3: allthough you guys have seen her before. And our homes

2894
02:13:47,320 --> 02:13:49,280
Speaker 3: are shown in this one to an extent anyway, so.

2895
02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:51,760
Speaker 1: My hometown, my hometown is shown too. None of my

2896
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:54,000
Speaker 1: family members would agree to be on camera, except for

2897
02:13:54,240 --> 02:13:57,080
Speaker 1: Molly the dog. So we'll you check that out when

2898
02:13:57,080 --> 02:13:57,960
Speaker 1: it drops, we'll get us.

2899
02:13:58,320 --> 02:14:00,320
Speaker 3: I saw a rough cut of it. I'd be the

2900
02:14:00,360 --> 02:14:02,840
Speaker 3: best one that we've ever Well, we didn't, but it might.

2901
02:14:03,200 --> 02:14:05,600
Speaker 3: Jake Jake. It might be the best one Jake's ever is.

2902
02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:09,280
Speaker 1: Jake von Amsterdam is just next level brilliant. Thank you

2903
02:14:09,320 --> 02:14:12,800
Speaker 1: to our staff Long Island. Luke Gaff Mikey's away at

2904
02:14:12,840 --> 02:14:15,080
Speaker 1: the moment, but Corey Maniach has been a big part

2905
02:14:15,080 --> 02:14:17,560
Speaker 1: of what we do as always from the beginning. That

2906
02:14:17,680 --> 02:14:20,960
Speaker 1: guy is Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell. Put your mental

2907
02:14:21,000 --> 02:14:22,880
Speaker 1: health first, Okay, let's do it. We can get through

2908
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:26,400
Speaker 1: this together. Shot to everybody in Florida enduring, my parents

2909
02:14:26,440 --> 02:14:28,760
Speaker 1: among them, with all the crazy storms in the rain

2910
02:14:28,840 --> 02:14:31,720
Speaker 1: and the flooding and all that. Stay safe. Focus on

2911
02:14:31,760 --> 02:14:33,880
Speaker 1: what really matters at the end of the day, and

2912
02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:36,360
Speaker 1: that's listening to these two dogs a couple times a week,

2913
02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:38,840
Speaker 1: and that's your family and your health. Go after it.

2914
02:14:38,880 --> 02:14:40,440
Speaker 1: Two words on the way out is

2915
02:14:42,240 --> 02:14:42,760
Speaker 3: We out.