WEBVTT - CLASSIC: What is Predictive Programming?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, fellow conspiracy realists, have you ever thought about this?

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<v Speaker 1>Have things ever seemed a little too purposeful, a little

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<v Speaker 1>too organized in your day to day life. What if

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<v Speaker 1>everything you encounter, all your interactions are somehow part of

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<v Speaker 1>a larger orchestrated scheme or plan.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all inside episodes of The Simpsons.

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<v Speaker 1>More stuff that I want you to know. Which is

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<v Speaker 1>more terrifying. I'll let you be the judge. From UFOs

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<v Speaker 1>to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is riddled with

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<v Speaker 1>unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff they don't want you to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>They called me Ben. We were joining with our super producer,

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<v Speaker 1>Paul the Paul the Predictor Decand okay, we got a shrug.

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<v Speaker 1>We're joining with Paul the Predictor Decand most importantly, you

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<v Speaker 1>are you, and you are here, and that makes this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff they don't want you to know. We predict you

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<v Speaker 1>will find this episode fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we can already tell this is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be your favorite episode that's come out in a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>We've already read some of your emails. Thank you for those.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really kind what you said about this episode. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we look forward to your next ones.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, both represented in fiction and in real life. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if we can continue this this trope for

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<v Speaker 1>the whole show man, What do you think. No, we're

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<v Speaker 1>just being silly, We're just we're just having a goof.

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<v Speaker 1>Do people still say that having a goof?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course?

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<v Speaker 1>Great, because if not, we're bringing it back. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>is about somewhat of a meta conspiracy, a conspiracy about conspiracies,

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<v Speaker 1>for lack of a better term, or a technique that

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<v Speaker 1>is attributed to a lot of specific theories. And oddly enough,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a very strong basis in truth in this, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think surprised both of us.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a little bit of truth in a way,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's Yeah, it's one of those things where it's

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<v Speaker 2>so prevalent. This what we're speaking about today, and let's

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<v Speaker 2>just say what it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a predictive programming.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's so prevalent on the Internet when anything occurs.

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<v Speaker 2>There is so much media that exists and so many

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<v Speaker 2>things happening that when you find the little connective tissues,

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<v Speaker 2>there's always that eureka moment and it just happens all

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Now maybe yeah, maybe we get into this too with

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<v Speaker 1>an anecdote. Several years ago, you and I made a

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<v Speaker 1>video about the Illuminati card game. Yes, yes, And in

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<v Speaker 1>the Illuminati Card Game there are certain cards that people

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<v Speaker 1>who believe in predictive programming have pointed to as evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of this practice. I think specifically the Twin Towers is correct.

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<v Speaker 2>The Twin Towers was one about a terrorist attack. There

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<v Speaker 2>were so many though, Deepwater Horizon from twenty ten was one,

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<v Speaker 2>and again in that video, I guess do we want

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<v Speaker 2>to spoil any of that right now? About kind of

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<v Speaker 2>what we found out about the card game?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, go ahead, laid up.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So there have been so many versions of that

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<v Speaker 2>card game over the years. The cards have shifted and

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<v Speaker 2>changed a little bit, the artwork has been altered. Exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what stated on the cards has been altered. And then

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<v Speaker 2>when you're online and you have people posting images about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, here, look at this card from this game

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<v Speaker 2>that came out in ninety something. You know it predicted

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<v Speaker 2>the World Trade Center because of this card, when in actuality,

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<v Speaker 2>that card was referring to the original World Trade Center bombing,

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<v Speaker 2>which occurred in the nineties, right, and then, and or

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<v Speaker 2>it was changed now because of other you know, circumstances,

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<v Speaker 2>things that actually occurred in the real world after it

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<v Speaker 2>was put out. It's just interesting how things shift over time,

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<v Speaker 2>and when it's posted on the internet, it could be

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<v Speaker 2>from any time throughout the span of the card's history.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we should also point out that it's a fun game.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a really fun game.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so happy because you introduced me to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to owe you for that one. Also, I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking, should we play that game with with with

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<v Speaker 1>you friends and neighbors if we ever run into each

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<v Speaker 1>other in real life, or Matt, should you and Paul

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<v Speaker 1>and Nola and I make a game of our own?

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<v Speaker 2>We could. We should make a game of our own.

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<v Speaker 2>We could live stream it.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff they don't want you to play. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. We'll put a pin in that, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, So that's a great example of an

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<v Speaker 1>allegation of predictive programming. Here's what we mean specifically when

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<v Speaker 1>we say there's a basis in truth. In decades past,

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<v Speaker 1>the US government would assemble groups of people to help

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<v Speaker 1>them predict the direction of future technological breakthroughs, and they

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<v Speaker 1>consulted scientists and technocrats, but they also asked science fiction

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<v Speaker 1>writers to join in this think tankery, and several of

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<v Speaker 1>these writers, it turns out, had already successfully predicted the

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<v Speaker 1>broad strokes of a certain aspect of technological progress or

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<v Speaker 1>social changes, and they had depicted these events in works

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<v Speaker 1>of fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and for a lot of people, this is just

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<v Speaker 2>it speaks to the human imagination. What can what images

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<v Speaker 2>and ideas can we conjure in our heads before it

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<v Speaker 2>becomes reality? And it's really, honestly, it's inspiring and our

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<v Speaker 2>species ability to dream beyond the limits of this moment

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<v Speaker 2>of what's occurring right now, things that I can possibly

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<v Speaker 2>do today to what I could do in the future

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<v Speaker 2>because of X. I mean, that's incredible. That's what separates us. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of things that separate us, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's one of the major things that separates us from

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<v Speaker 2>other mammals.

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<v Speaker 1>You're giving me chills. That is inspiring, especially the way

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<v Speaker 1>you put it there. It is it is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the primary separations. But it's not all like angel farts

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<v Speaker 1>and trumpets in the sky. You know, there's a dark

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<v Speaker 1>side that people see here because for others, this story

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<v Speaker 1>of sci fi collaboration is only scratching the surface. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a relatively benign example of a much more widespread and,

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<v Speaker 1>according to them, sinister practice. Fringe researchers across the US

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<v Speaker 1>and the globe believe that nefarious, hidden groups are guiding

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<v Speaker 1>the public through the use of this predictive programming. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's look at the facts. When you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of fiction, whether an Illuminati game or a film

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<v Speaker 1>depicting actual events in the future, we see two fundamental

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<v Speaker 1>factors at play immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The first is what the creators are trying to do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a secret that people who write screenplays and

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<v Speaker 2>write books, directors of television and movie, they often are

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<v Speaker 2>attempting to depict what they think the future is going

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<v Speaker 2>to look like, what might happen in the future. If

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<v Speaker 2>you think about nineteen eighty four the novel or Brave

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<v Speaker 2>New World, these are two cautionary tales, very different from

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<v Speaker 2>each other and also quite similar. They're meant to educate

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<v Speaker 2>as much as they're meant to warn and entertain. They

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<v Speaker 2>function on a whole lot of levels.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, nineteen eighty four is one of those books that,

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<v Speaker 1>even after having read it multiple times. I still don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I would say I'm entertained by it, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. Sure, it definitely airs more on

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<v Speaker 1>the cautionary tale side, but you're absolutely right. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's such a great point. These authors and these creators

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<v Speaker 1>are not working in a vacuum. They are attempting to

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<v Speaker 1>enact some sort of change in the world, whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>just making the world one story better or one story richer,

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever we want to say about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Or as in the case of a Brave New World,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the question of dothtaw entertain too much?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yes, And these authors could also depict something more aspirational,

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<v Speaker 1>like what the future of humanity could be if we

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<v Speaker 1>ever get our collective business together.

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking about Star Trek.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about Star Trek, Matt Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Star Trek tng was the thing they like made me go, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna be okay. The future is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing place. I can't wait to get there.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. It's a post scarcity economy, right, there's not income inequality,

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<v Speaker 1>and the species spends its time exploring strange new worlds

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<v Speaker 1>and attempting to enrich their knowledge of the galaxy and

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<v Speaker 1>the beautiful universe in which we live. Also having more

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<v Speaker 1>or less constant war or uneasy truces with various alien empires.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably a story for a different episode, but yeah, Star

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<v Speaker 1>Trek aspirational. Imagine what we could be.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and then you could even have a Holid Deck.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, come on, that's what it was for your

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<v Speaker 2>No it it was the big picture stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I hated the Holid Deck episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I always felt like I was getting tricked.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt, you know, this is just my opinion, one

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<v Speaker 1>person's opinion, and I would love to hear everybody else's

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<v Speaker 1>opinion on this. I thought I felt as if the

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<v Speaker 1>actors were pushing this on the writers and the producers

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<v Speaker 1>and saying, well, you know, I've I've done some Shakespeare before.

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking specifically about El Capitan.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I don't know, I don't you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know who it was. I feel like I have suspicions,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can't pin it on any single actor. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe it was just maybe it just felt like

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<v Speaker 1>a bait and switch.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, it's a I think it's a writing device

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<v Speaker 2>that the people in the writer's room can go, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>we've been stuck on this enterprise for a long time

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<v Speaker 2>in all these episodes. Let's let's do a Western.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it could be that. It could also be something,

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<v Speaker 1>As you know, these are big machines. Every television show

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<v Speaker 1>is a huge machine of its own. So it could

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<v Speaker 1>have been something behind the scenes where they said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>look we have this leftover set for a show that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get used. We have to use it. And sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>Star trek TNG, you drew the short straw this time.

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<v Speaker 1>So writer's room, chop chop something something with the hollow deck.

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<v Speaker 2>Or maybe this set's about to get torn down. Hey, writers,

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<v Speaker 2>let's find a way to use it quick.

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<v Speaker 1>We have We have spent a lot of time thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about thinking about this. You know, I bet someone out

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<v Speaker 1>there has a has the real scoop, the straight poop,

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<v Speaker 1>as we might say, on the origin of those hollow

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<v Speaker 1>Deck episodes. But there is another thing that comes into

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<v Speaker 1>play when we consider this idea of fiction purposefully predicting

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<v Speaker 1>actual events in the future, usually bad ones, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is the dangerous deceptive traits of the human mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not just the people creating the fiction and

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<v Speaker 2>the entertainment. It's the people who are consuming it, actively,

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<v Speaker 2>watching and hearing it right.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's this assumption that is so prevalent in the

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<v Speaker 1>past and today that goes like this. Someone watching a

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<v Speaker 1>film or reading a book, even to a lesser degree,

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<v Speaker 1>is passively experiencing the vision or the creation that the

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<v Speaker 1>author made, or the director made, or whomever. But in actuality,

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<v Speaker 1>all audience members are collaborators. Whether it's a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>art like a sculpture, whether it's a television show, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's a book, we are helping to create the story

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<v Speaker 1>by the mere act of observing and interpreting it. What

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<v Speaker 1>this all means is that people are really self obsessed pathologically.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't beat yourself up if you feel like this

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<v Speaker 1>is an unfair characterization, or if you feel bad and

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<v Speaker 1>you think, oh, I'm a little bit narcissistic, because everybody is.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody is, and we're all the main characters of our

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<v Speaker 1>own stories, the center of our individual universes, the protagonist

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<v Speaker 1>around which this great world swings. In addition to this,

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<v Speaker 1>we're also fantastically talented analyzers and pattern recognizers. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons our species runs so much of the

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<v Speaker 1>planet rather than say an octopus race or a super

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent empire of corvids.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I want to see those.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be super in the crows that run the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why that's supposed to be a caca

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<v Speaker 1>in the distance.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, it worked, I heard it.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we predictively programming the cor the corvids?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>So this is this is dangerous because with this perspective

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<v Speaker 1>right as a starting point, we can make two assumptions.

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<v Speaker 1>We will say a pattern exists because we perceive it

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<v Speaker 1>to exist, and because we are the most important thing

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<v Speaker 1>in our experience, every pattern we perceive inherently in some

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<v Speaker 1>way applies to us. One thing that people don't like

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<v Speaker 1>to hear in general is that there's something big going

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<v Speaker 1>on and it has nothing to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what I mean. I mean that's why

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<v Speaker 1>so much scientific literature became so controversial. Charles Darwin when

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<v Speaker 1>he releases The Origin on the Origin Species in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty nine, he's saying, Oh, no, humans, you're not special,

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<v Speaker 1>You're just you're part of a thing. We're part of

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<v Speaker 1>a pattern, part of a pattern that has existed long

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<v Speaker 1>before you and will continue long after you are dust.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then you're like Yeah, whatever, Darwin, get out

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<v Speaker 2>of here, right, go back to looking at islands.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, get back on the beagle. But that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And without delving too far into the weeds on this,

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<v Speaker 1>it essentially means that you and I and Paul and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone we are neither neutral creators nor are we a

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<v Speaker 1>neutral audience, and we're at an impasse because if no

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<v Speaker 1>one's objective, then where's the truth? Ooh.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimately, oh man, this sounds like an even bigger episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So all right, yeah, I'll buy what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Just talking about the nature of truth. We touch on

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<v Speaker 2>it every once in a while when we get into

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<v Speaker 2>discussing sources of news, but when you really think about

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<v Speaker 2>it this way from that deep of a psychological perspective, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>makes the mind wander a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And we know that this pattern recognition can also

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<v Speaker 1>be used to make the mind wander because we're in

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<v Speaker 1>addition to being endearingly self obsessed, we're all also big

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<v Speaker 1>fans of following rituals and cues and social mores. They

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<v Speaker 1>are more patterns to recognize, and we're easily swayed by

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<v Speaker 1>subtle changes and routine of form. There's a great there's

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<v Speaker 1>a great book called the Illuminatus trilogy, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about before, and I just want to put

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<v Speaker 1>this in because it's one reference to this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>social hacking.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where the Illuminati game finds its origins.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, Oh yeah, no way, really, that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So this novel, which is incredibly incredibly long, presented as

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<v Speaker 1>a trilogy of smaller works. It depicts a number of

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<v Speaker 1>things in a rather convoluted plot. And we don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to spoil it for you, but there is one scene

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<v Speaker 1>in there where someone changes or adds to the signs

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<v Speaker 1>at this department store, a relatively high end department store

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<v Speaker 1>that has something like, you know, the kind of thing

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<v Speaker 1>you would read outside of a fitting room, like wait

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<v Speaker 1>for an intendant to help you or something. The addition

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<v Speaker 1>they make is they just put no spitting.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so well, I mean, nobody wants to do

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<v Speaker 2>that anyway, we only spit.

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<v Speaker 1>No one should be But the hack about it, the

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<v Speaker 1>subtle change in that form, makes people think this is

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<v Speaker 1>a place of a much lower socioeconomic class. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a place where people are just spitting on the floor,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like a roadhouse in a movie. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this was a work of fiction. But this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff can work, and can work really well. This also

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<v Speaker 1>goes into the nature of propaganda. But the question is

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<v Speaker 1>how far does this sort of stuff go. Could some

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<v Speaker 1>groups or groups really be normalizing future events through the

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<v Speaker 1>lens of mass media and fiction, And if so.

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<v Speaker 2>Why, Yeah, why We're going to talk about that right

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<v Speaker 2>after a quick word from our sponsor.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's where it gets crazy. Alan Watt described predictive programming

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<v Speaker 1>as a subtle form of psychological conditioning provided by the

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<v Speaker 1>media to acquaint the public with planned societal changes to

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<v Speaker 1>be implemented by our leaders. If and when these changes

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<v Speaker 1>are put through, the public will already be familiarized with

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<v Speaker 1>them and will accept them as natural progressions, thus lessening

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<v Speaker 1>possible public resistance and commotion.

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<v Speaker 2>When I hear the words of Alan Wad, I always

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<v Speaker 2>feel that there is truth there. It just sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>there is Again, it's about how he writes and how

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<v Speaker 2>he how he spoke. But what I'm hearing here is

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<v Speaker 2>something that I've heard for a long time about the

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<v Speaker 2>concept of aliens and the concept that movies and television

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<v Speaker 2>and novels for decades and decades have been prepping humans

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<v Speaker 2>to accept that aliens have invaded or to accept alien

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<v Speaker 2>races from other planets, extraterrestrials to being a part of

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<v Speaker 2>our world. And again, when you put it in that way,

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<v Speaker 2>our leaders subtly psychologically conditioning us. I don't know. It

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<v Speaker 2>almost sounds like it could be real.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it sounds like it because of the way

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<v Speaker 2>he writes, I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're bringing up a really crucial point here,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the primary examples of predicted programming that the

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<v Speaker 1>advocates of this belief point out is almost always going

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<v Speaker 1>to be extraterrestrials, right, like a slow, decade long preparation

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<v Speaker 1>for disclosure. Hey, guys, Spielberg was right, aliens are around.

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<v Speaker 1>We thought the best way to tell you instead of

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<v Speaker 1>just ripping the band aid off, we thought we would

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<v Speaker 1>tell you over over like sixty years, get used to it,

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<v Speaker 1>get you know, settle in, settle in to this tub

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<v Speaker 1>of weirdness slowly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that way the reaction is, you know, less

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, ah, and it's more like, oh wow, cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the whole point. If you believe this

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<v Speaker 2>to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are millions of people waiting to go I

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<v Speaker 1>knew it, Yes, I knew it the whole time. So

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<v Speaker 1>what are some other examples of this?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? There are so stink in many of these. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's start with the top one of this one. Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>you put in the outline first. But this is the

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<v Speaker 2>one that I thought about when we even said the

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<v Speaker 2>phrase predictive programming. And it's the pilot episode of The

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<v Speaker 2>Lone Gunman, which you know, if you were an ext

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<v Speaker 2>Files fan, you know who the Loan Gunmen are. You

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<v Speaker 2>watched The Loan Gunman when it came out as a

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<v Speaker 2>spin off and it was awesome. But in the pilot episode,

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<v Speaker 2>it features as part of the plot and an attempted

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<v Speaker 2>bombing or destruction at least of the World Trade Center,

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<v Speaker 2>the Twin Towers, and specifically, it was a hijacked commercial

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<v Speaker 2>airliner that would be flown into the World Trade Center,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a false flag attack by this rogue

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<v Speaker 2>group of government officials. And you know, since that came

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<v Speaker 2>out before the September eleventh, two thousand and one attacks,

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<v Speaker 2>this is looked at as WHOA, these guys knew something, right,

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<v Speaker 2>they put it out there. They're trying to warn us

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<v Speaker 2>that this was going to happen, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the speaking about it early early on when it occurred

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<v Speaker 2>was it was a warning rather than a predict programming

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<v Speaker 2>getting you used to it. It was like somebody's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to tell us that this is going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, And this is, as you said, an

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly prevalent example. It gets brought up continually, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the only example, right. Oh No, there was one

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<v Speaker 1>that we found referencing the film The Dark Knight Rises

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<v Speaker 1>by Christopher Nolan. There's a map in The Dark Knight

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<v Speaker 1>Rises that has a location marked Sandy Hook.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Commissioner Gordon's going over the attack plan for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>going in. It's the scene right before they actually go

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<v Speaker 2>into the stadium for one of the big climactic scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>There spoiler alert for The Dark Knight Rises. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a map and it does say Sandy Hook.

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<v Speaker 1>On it, so that one's not near his persuasive though,

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<v Speaker 1>because Sandy Hook is a place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, And why it's weird because it says strike

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<v Speaker 2>zone one and it came you know usually what this

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<v Speaker 2>has to do with our release dates. We have proximity

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<v Speaker 2>of release dates being before you know, and let's say

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<v Speaker 2>some given time frame year or two or even months. Sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, again that's the nature of the perception. Yes, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we found the pattern. And another example would be Family Guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and a Family Guy is replete with cutaway jokes and

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<v Speaker 1>tangents that don't really go anywhere. It's just a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a quick bit. But there's an episode or a gag

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<v Speaker 1>in a Family Guy episode rather that concerns the Boston Marathon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's an episode called Turban Cowboy that came out

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a scene in it, or let's let's say

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<v Speaker 2>a scene a breakaway, a cutaway sure to a quick

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<v Speaker 2>thing where Peter Griffin wins the b Boston Marathon by

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<v Speaker 2>driving his car through all of the other competitors and

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<v Speaker 2>kills a whole bunch of people. And then later on

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<v Speaker 2>in the episode. You might know this just from the

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<v Speaker 2>or you might glean it from the title Turbine Cowboy,

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<v Speaker 2>Peter accidentally joins up with a terrorist cell and he

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<v Speaker 2>uses a cell phone to call his buddy Mahmoud and

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<v Speaker 2>ends up setting off two bombs because he's using the

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<v Speaker 2>cell phone or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You can also tell that Family Guy has an ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>tendency to be pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Racist, racist and you know, yeah, they at least push

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<v Speaker 2>the boundaries. Let's say they push the boundaries creatively there.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, And this example, of course makes people believe

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<v Speaker 1>in predictive programming, think they were somehow depicting the later

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<v Speaker 1>disasters that would happen at the Boston Marathon. Yes, there's

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<v Speaker 1>another example with the movie Knowing, right that you had

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the Deepwater Horizon catastrophe at the top of the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing has something to do with this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So if you have not seen Knowing, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine Nick Cage movie, and it's all

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<v Speaker 2>based on predictive programming essentially, or a different version of

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<v Speaker 2>predictive programming. Numbers and codes hidden amongst things that mean

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<v Speaker 2>other things and predict the future. In that movie, right

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<v Speaker 2>in the opening scene, Nicholas Cage is watching television and

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<v Speaker 2>on the news comes this image and a news story

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<v Speaker 2>about an oil rig that's on fire in the Gulf

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<v Speaker 2>of Mexico. And again, this is a two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>nine movie. A year later, the Deepwater Horizon disaster occurs,

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<v Speaker 2>where an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico explodes

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<v Speaker 2>and I think eleven people were missing. Immediately when it occurred,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you were watching television at the time immediately

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<v Speaker 2>when the news footage came out, it looks crazy similar

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<v Speaker 2>to the footage that's shown in the movie, knowing that

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<v Speaker 2>you might have seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this footage is just is it a crucial

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<v Speaker 1>part of the film or is it something that just

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<v Speaker 1>happens in the film.

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<v Speaker 2>It's something that happens within the first few moments, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's literally a television that's being shown. You know, the

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<v Speaker 2>camera is shooting a television showing the news. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a massive thing. It's just giving you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>current events setting up the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Because all it is you could understand. I could totally

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<v Speaker 1>understand though, how somebody would be I would see that

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<v Speaker 1>in theaters and then see the evening news later if

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<v Speaker 1>they caught a matinee or something like that, that's disturbing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, your your perspective is now Nicholas Cage is

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<v Speaker 2>sitting on the couch or whatever watching the television that

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<v Speaker 2>you watch Nick Cage watch in the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I could you know, I could see where

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<v Speaker 1>that would be at least creepy to people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, Oh, but the the you know, we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about Family Guy, but the granddaddy of Family Guy, the Simpsons.

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<v Speaker 2>They have an incredible track record of predicting various future

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<v Speaker 2>events and trends and things like this, And honestly, it

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<v Speaker 2>could be a whole episode of just hey, what did

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<v Speaker 2>the how did the Simpsons know that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy? Yeah, and there's one that you had brought

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<v Speaker 1>up off air before too, Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This is this is a great one. You'll find this

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<v Speaker 2>all over the internet, mostly on Facebook is where I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen it, and a couple other blog sites have reposted it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's the Donald Trump presidency. There's so okay. On

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<v Speaker 2>June sixteenth, twenty fifteen, Donald Trump announced that he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to run for president, and you remember the whole deal,

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<v Speaker 2>coming down the escalator, waving to people. There are people

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<v Speaker 2>on the balcony with signs. Well, according to numerous posts

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<v Speaker 2>in the year two thousand, the Simpsons made this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>which is true. They made an episode called bart Bart

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<v Speaker 2>to the Future, and according to these posts, not only

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<v Speaker 2>did they predict the Trump presidency, they also predicted the

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<v Speaker 2>exact way in which his campaign would be announced. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>everything from the people standing on the balconies with signs

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<v Speaker 2>to Donald Trump going down the escalator. It's uncanny, it's insane,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the exact same sequence. Here's the problem, and you'll

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<v Speaker 2>notice this if you actually watch a clip from the

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 2>supposed Simpson's video. The animation quality is very high, and

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<v Speaker 2>you imagine the animation quality, you know, let's say fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>years later at least so like to twenty fifteen compared

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<v Speaker 2>to two thousand. Sure it changed a lot. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you do a little digging and then you realize all

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<v Speaker 2>of these posts are actually being taken from a July

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen promotion of the next Simpsons season, which specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a video that was posted to the YouTube channel

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<v Speaker 2>Animation on Fox. It was July seventh, twenty fifteen when

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<v Speaker 2>it was posted, and it's called Trump Tastic Voyage Season

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 2>twenty five The Simpsons, and what it is is a

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<v Speaker 2>perfect recreation of the event rather than a prediction of

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<v Speaker 2>the announcement of what was going to happen. But the

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting thing is if you go back to the

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand episode The Bart to the Future, they do

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<v Speaker 2>speak directly to Trump being president, but it's just an aside.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's Maggie who says this, Oh God, there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much to explain here. But it's in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a vision of the future within the world

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<v Speaker 2>of The Simpsons. And in this vision of the future,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say, it's Maggie the baby but now

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<v Speaker 2>grown up, who mentions something about something about how horrible

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump legacy was, so they're trying to fix like

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<v Speaker 2>all the budget or something. It's like I throw away

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<v Speaker 2>line essentially, but as a joke of Trump was president.

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<v Speaker 1>So this actual this actually happened before the Trump presidency.

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<v Speaker 1>But people have been conflating this with the later recreation

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<v Speaker 1>of the campaign announcement.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, because it would be much more compelling if

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<v Speaker 2>this was actually what happened. And this is just naming

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<v Speaker 2>a few of these Oh my god. Yeah, there's so many.

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:33.320
<v Speaker 2>There's so so many, And our first immediate questions are

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 2>pretty easy, Right, how is this different from a single

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 2>creative team proposing or depicting a social change they think

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<v Speaker 2>should happen. You know, if like the Star Trek example,

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<v Speaker 2>or let's say that the creators of The Simpsons really thought,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the world will be a better place and

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<v Speaker 2>the best way to get it there is for us

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<v Speaker 2>to push the the greatness of a Donald Trump presidency.

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<v Speaker 2>Right that, Like, how is it different in this case,

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 2>in the Simpson's case, they're implying that it was a

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<v Speaker 2>bad thing for it.

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<v Speaker 1>To happen, Right, Yeah, it was a joke, it was,

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<v Speaker 1>And it was a joke.

0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:16.960
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like it's kind of a throwaway joke.

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:20.640
<v Speaker 2>It's what it you know, sort of felt like.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, and then the other question is, how are

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<v Speaker 1>these events different from you know, an accident. Yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. As pattern seekers and master analyst all where,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not big fans of the idea of something being

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<v Speaker 1>an accident or a coincidence or just happening without a

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<v Speaker 1>real purpose behind it. First things first, from a psychological angle,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a problem with this idea of predictive programming because

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<v Speaker 1>we tend to model our behavior based less on an

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<v Speaker 1>object or an event and more on a character's reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to that object or event. There's a great experiment called

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<v Speaker 1>Bobo Doll. The Bobo Doll experiments in this is Bobo

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<v Speaker 1>is a clown. It's an inflatable clown, like punching bad clown.

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 2>All right, I can't hear this?

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Do what me a wave? When when it passed this

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<v Speaker 1>part you come back and no stay stay this. Psychologist

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<v Speaker 1>Albert ben Dura conducted an experiment a series of studies

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<v Speaker 1>using an inflatable punching bad clown called the Bobo Doll,

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<v Speaker 1>and they got two groups of children. In one group,

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<v Speaker 1>each kid was shown a short film of an adult

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<v Speaker 1>hitting the doll, just smacking the grease paint off it.

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<v Speaker 1>In the other group, the adult in the film ignored

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<v Speaker 1>the doll, and after watching whichever film they were assigned to,

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<v Speaker 1>each kid was put in a room with a variety

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<v Speaker 1>of toys, including a Bobo doll. The children who have

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<v Speaker 1>been shown the aggressive video overwhelmingly mimic the adult and

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<v Speaker 1>beat the snot out of the doll, while the other

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<v Speaker 1>kids just ignored it because that's what you're supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So this means that if we see, if we see

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<v Speaker 1>something depicting a future event, allegedly, what we're really paying

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<v Speaker 1>attention to psychologically is going to be how the characters

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<v Speaker 1>with whom we identify react to it. It's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a World Traits Center attack, it's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the Boston Marathon. It's going to be how

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<v Speaker 1>did the lone gunmen react to this? How did Peter

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Griffin react to this? You know what I mean? Hmm,

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<v Speaker 1>And it sounds like a small difference, But it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly clear this is straight because the primary plank of

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<v Speaker 1>predictive programming as a theory is the idea that if

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<v Speaker 1>we see something in real life that we saw depicted

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<v Speaker 1>in fiction, we're going to have less of a reaction, right,

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 1>We're going to have resigned in difference or one quote,

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:25.960
<v Speaker 1>a half hearted protest.

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<v Speaker 2>If we see something in real life that was predicted.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so if we say, oh, the CDC in Atlanta

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<v Speaker 1>blew up, but we saw several movies about that earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know what evs Okay, that's the idea. But

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<v Speaker 1>what we see from the science behind this is that

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that just portraying something will elicit the same

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<v Speaker 1>reaction regardless of context is incorrect. There has to be

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<v Speaker 1>a context to the pattern to the action that observing.

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<v Speaker 1>So the doll itself, the object or the event is

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<v Speaker 1>not inherently it can be one thing or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be how people react to it. Someone

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<v Speaker 1>hitting the doll, someone ignoring the doll. That's what people

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<v Speaker 1>are modeling.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now I'm going back and applying this to all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff, including the Trump presidency. Oh man, okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to reevaluate all that now. Thank you, Ben. That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's another thing we haven't even we haven't even

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<v Speaker 2>discussed yet, which is that this type of prediction in

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:41.320
<v Speaker 2>some form of mass media does really occur. It can occur,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's an accident, completely in accident. Consider the eerily

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 2>prescient story that you had mentioned before we've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>on the show before that, Edgar Allan Poe had this

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<v Speaker 2>vision of survival cannibalism on a boat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the only novel he published, The Narrative of Arthur

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<v Speaker 1>Gordon Pim of Nantucket in eighteen thirty eight. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a baffling coincidence. And even if you consider

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<v Speaker 1>yourself a very, very skeptical person, you have to admit

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<v Speaker 1>it boggles the mind.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this might be the best example that I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever heard.

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<v Speaker 1>So part way through the book the Narrative of Arthur

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<v Speaker 1>Gordon Pim of Nantucket, the crew of a ship called

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<v Speaker 1>Grampus like Crampis, but with a g finds themselves on

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<v Speaker 1>a damaged boat and they have no food and they

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<v Speaker 1>have no water. They manage to catch a tortoise and

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<v Speaker 1>eat that, but eventually to survive they resort to cannibalism.

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<v Speaker 1>They draw straws to figure out which one of them

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<v Speaker 1>will be sacrificed to feed everyone else. The death straw

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<v Speaker 1>goes to a guy named Richard Parker, who's promptly stabbed

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<v Speaker 1>his head. His hands, and his feet are thrown overboard,

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<v Speaker 1>and this keeps the rest of the crew alive a

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<v Speaker 1>little longer, but the last two members are still on

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<v Speaker 1>the brink of death when they're finally rescued. Poe himself

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was a really silly story. Quote very silly,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're being accurate, very silly, those are his words.

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<v Speaker 1>Until that is in eighteen eighty four in real life,

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<v Speaker 1>when a yacht named the Minonette left England headed toward Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>The four man crew barely escaped in a lifeboat, but

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't have enough food eat, they didn't have enough

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<v Speaker 1>water to drink. They did catch a turtle and they

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<v Speaker 1>ate it, but just like the people in the story

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<v Speaker 1>by Poe, which is forty five years old, at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>they resorted to cannibalism. Specifically of a seventeen year old

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<v Speaker 1>named Richard Parker.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that insane? That is that is the crew. Honestly

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<v Speaker 2>the craziest version of something like this that I think

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<v Speaker 2>has ever occurred.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm at a loss for words still thinking about it,

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:05.479
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:07.879
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's so crazy and it really does

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<v Speaker 2>make you reevaluate the life of Pie movie with Richard Parker.

0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 1>The Yeah, the name of the tiger. So this this

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 1>is a really weird thing too, because it's not spot on.

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 1>And are we also just seeing what we want to see?

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:29.840
<v Speaker 2>You know? That is the question?

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:32.399
<v Speaker 1>And there's an elephant in the room.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Oh, there's a big elephant in the room, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about it right after a quick word from

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<v Speaker 2>our sponsor.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, here we go finally, and kudos to us, Matt.

0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>We got so far without acknowledging this.

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:52.839
<v Speaker 2>We did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we played the reindeer games. We said if this is,

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<v Speaker 1>if this is so, this is what would happen. These

0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 1>are things we consider from pull different angles. But the big,

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<v Speaker 1>the big concern here, the as you said, the elephants,

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<v Speaker 1>is that this seems in every single case like a

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<v Speaker 1>very very very very complicated plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and the the motivations for the machinations aren't there

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<v Speaker 2>for me. And how much work you'd have to put

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<v Speaker 2>in to get the Simpsons to predict something so that

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<v Speaker 2>you would be as the public, that we would be

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<v Speaker 2>okay with something in the future baffles my mind. That

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<v Speaker 2>some screenwriter who wrote the pilot for this TV show,

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<v Speaker 2>the spinoff of The X Files, knew that there was

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<v Speaker 2>this plan that was going to be enacted several years

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<v Speaker 2>or a year from then, two years whatever?

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<v Speaker 1>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>Why? How much planning would have to go into that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right? How much plan would have to go into it

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<v Speaker 1>publicly much less how much plan would have to go

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<v Speaker 1>into it for it to occur in secret? Yeah? Somehow? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's easily hundreds of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you're talking about getting people to approve a script.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, just just that alone, that process is not

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<v Speaker 2>an easy one. And uh, I don't know, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it it takes almost double think on the part

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<v Speaker 1>of us to believe in this, because if we walk

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<v Speaker 1>through it, it requires us to believe that not only

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:39.319
<v Speaker 1>is a work of fiction being made with knowledge of

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<v Speaker 1>future events, certain knowledge that they have certitude about this,

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<v Speaker 1>but also that the creators of the work are either

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<v Speaker 1>in cooperation with some shadowy cabal or they're members of

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<v Speaker 1>some shadowy cabal that has vast, near omniscient control over

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:58.799
<v Speaker 1>events in the real world. But as still saying, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, guys, we shall make movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and all of these people are also okay with

0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 2>these terrible tragedies that occur.

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Right. This would mean that, if it were true someone

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:11.720
<v Speaker 1>new catastrophes like nine to eleven were going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And additionally, rather than preventing the disaster, they had enough

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<v Speaker 1>time to make a high production level story about something

0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 1>completely different, ultimately for the sole purpose of including a

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 1>passing reference to a real life event in the story

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<v Speaker 1>that seems like a massive amount of work for a

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<v Speaker 1>relatively small return.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I I don't get it, man, I don't. I

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.440
<v Speaker 2>think in order to believe this fully you have to

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<v Speaker 2>really have gone down the rabbit hole of believing that

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<v Speaker 2>every person that's an elite of any sort is working

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<v Speaker 2>together for some bigger mass conspiracy.

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 1>And you know, we have found, over the course of

0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:56.239
<v Speaker 1>our time digging into all sorts of strange stuff on

0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.879
<v Speaker 1>this show, we have found that it's a lot less

0:41:59.880 --> 0:42:03.000
<v Speaker 1>likely that one group actually rules the world. It's a

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:06.120
<v Speaker 1>lot more likely that there are several groups who are

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<v Speaker 1>all vastly entitled and above the law who feel like

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:11.319
<v Speaker 1>they should run the world. Yeah, and they don't get

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<v Speaker 1>along well.

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:14.840
<v Speaker 2>And I wonder if you do subscribe to this theory,

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:19.200
<v Speaker 2>you maybe, even as a conspiracy realist as we all

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 2>are in this, who can hear this voice right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you imagine that these are groups working, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>against each other with their predictive programming efforts. Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that spin there. I like that angle because

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<v Speaker 1>it would also help at least to float the inevitable

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<v Speaker 1>problem of different predictions occurring. Right. That's really smart. There's

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<v Speaker 1>also there's another wrinkle in here, which is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a con Propaganda works best when it's simplified. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no denying that fiction is incredible powerful, and even

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<v Speaker 1>today books and films are banned by governments around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>And also propaganda is produced by governments around the world

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<v Speaker 1>or by think tanks or agencies. People with some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of agenda, whether they're a fervent nationalists, whether they are

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<v Speaker 1>racial supremacists of some sort, they're out there and they

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<v Speaker 1>want to have a story where their agenda or their

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<v Speaker 1>goal is presented as the right thing, the best thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know I'm mentioning. I know I'm mentioning groups

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<v Speaker 1>like nationalists and supremacists, but that's barely the surface. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like everybody. Yeah, so people who you know, it's cause agnostic.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a technique that does not fall under the purview

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<v Speaker 1>of any one particular group of people that you might

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<v Speaker 1>think of as evil or they might think of as good.

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<v Speaker 1>The people who want to save coral reefs are absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>capable of doing the same kind of things that you

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<v Speaker 1>would see from another propaganda entity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I happen to believe that they have truth on their side.

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<v Speaker 1>That that's just me.

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<v Speaker 2>You believe in the coral reefs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think they're real. I think it churns out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, some of them are not real. I was just

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<v Speaker 2>learning about some of I think it's the Georgia Coast.

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<v Speaker 2>NPR was talking about this where there are fake coral reefs,

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<v Speaker 2>artificial reefs. Yeah, really fascinating stuff made out of rubble.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're still real, Like they're not coral. Though they're reefs,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not coral. That's all.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very good point. Matt. You thank you for bringing that,

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<v Speaker 1>bringing that to light. Finally, it's what Big Coral doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>want you to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, Oh man, rebar and concrete, it will do just

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<v Speaker 2>wonders for fish.

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<v Speaker 1>It needed to be said, Thank you, no problem, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Just while we're still in oceanic been. My father called

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<v Speaker 2>me panicked the other day about the Great Pacific garbage Patch,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think he honestly hadn't ever heard of it before.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, this is something that maybe you listening

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<v Speaker 2>to this have heard about it before. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>massively troubling thing that is happening, a huge amount of

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<v Speaker 2>plastic and other garbage that's just there. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we need to do some kind of episode on it

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<v Speaker 2>because my dad was genuinely terrified and felt like the

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<v Speaker 2>world was ending because of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's certainly not a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, absolutely, but I think imagining it and seeing

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<v Speaker 2>some of the imagery that the news was putting out

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<v Speaker 2>about it was fear inducing, and I think it's worth

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<v Speaker 2>us discussing maybe in the future about what could happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, we can also talk about whether recycling actually helps.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great because a lot of people in the West

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<v Speaker 1>at least are I don't know, are doing a ritual

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<v Speaker 1>where you put some trash in a blue box and

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<v Speaker 1>you tell yourself that you're making a difference, And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a sincere thing. We recycle here at

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<v Speaker 1>the office, but in a lot of places when people

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<v Speaker 1>come around to collect the garbage, the things from those

0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:29.440
<v Speaker 1>two boxes go in the same dumpster. Yep. So I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Sometimes I don't want to make a huge

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<v Speaker 1>sweeping statement about it, but it's true that does happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, let us know what we should examine when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to recycling, when it comes to the Great

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<v Speaker 1>garbage Patch. We did do an episode on ocean acidification

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<v Speaker 1>and we did Yeah, and you know that's scary.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really scary. And why aren't we using the whole

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<v Speaker 2>the plasma methods of breaking down trash, turning it into

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<v Speaker 2>slag and usable gases.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you told me about that years ago. They had

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<v Speaker 1>the technology in Japan, right, dude.

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:07.799
<v Speaker 2>They've been doing this for decades in Japan and a

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<v Speaker 2>couple other places, just turning their trash into energy and

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<v Speaker 2>usable building materials. Why aren't we doing this? Guys? Wow,

0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:19.880
<v Speaker 2>that's a massive tangent. Okay, let's get back to this

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<v Speaker 2>really fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh are we predictively programming the audience? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what this is?

0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Is that what this whole thing was?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Paul, were you in on this? Oh

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:35.799
<v Speaker 2>my god, Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>I figured the best way for you to learn this

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<v Speaker 1>would be on the air with no prep.

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<v Speaker 2>You made me a part of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it's too late now. Pretty soon we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have George Soros, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who else, Oprah, Alice Cooper. They're all gonna

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<v Speaker 1>walk in and do a slow clap.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bezos.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe he's a fearsome beast though, Oh no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. We don't have any celebrity illuminati that that

0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:14.440
<v Speaker 1>are coming by. Although today as we recorded this, Davey

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<v Speaker 1>Diggs did drop by to appear on a show our

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:21.040
<v Speaker 1>pal Chuck does called Movie Crush, So do check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>It was awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you like that organic segue and perfect?

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<v Speaker 2>Ah?

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks? You know they sometimes call me the Matt Frederick

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:36.319
<v Speaker 1>of a Smooth Plugs. It's it's a tremendous compliment one

0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't deserve.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, if you're if you're thinking to yourself,

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:42.040
<v Speaker 2>what did I miss and you want to, you know,

0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:45.160
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<v Speaker 2>different version of predictive programming? Or do you have a

0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:54.200
<v Speaker 2>really good example, or you know what, do you think

0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:57.239
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0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:14.040
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