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Speaker 1: Hey, fellow conspiracy realists, have you ever thought about this?

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Speaker 1: Have things ever seemed a little too purposeful, a little

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Speaker 1: too organized in your day to day life. What if

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Speaker 1: everything you encounter, all your interactions are somehow part of

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Speaker 1: a larger orchestrated scheme or plan.

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Speaker 2: We're all inside episodes of The Simpsons.

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Speaker 1: More stuff that I want you to know. Which is

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Speaker 1: more terrifying. I'll let you be the judge. From UFOs

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Speaker 1: to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is riddled with

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Speaker 1: unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We were joining with our super producer,

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Speaker 1: Paul the Paul the Predictor Decand okay, we got a shrug.

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Speaker 1: We're joining with Paul the Predictor Decand most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you, and you are here, and that makes this

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. We predict you

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Speaker 1: will find this episode fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we can already tell this is going to

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Speaker 2: be your favorite episode that's come out in a long time.

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Speaker 2: We've already read some of your emails. Thank you for those.

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Speaker 2: It's really kind what you said about this episode. You know,

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Speaker 2: we look forward to your next ones.

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Speaker 1: Right, both represented in fiction and in real life. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if we can continue this this trope for

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Speaker 1: the whole show man, What do you think. No, we're

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Speaker 1: just being silly, We're just we're just having a goof.

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Speaker 1: Do people still say that having a goof?

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Speaker 2: Of course?

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Speaker 1: Great, because if not, we're bringing it back. This episode

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Speaker 1: is about somewhat of a meta conspiracy, a conspiracy about conspiracies,

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Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, or a technique that

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Speaker 1: is attributed to a lot of specific theories. And oddly enough,

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Speaker 1: there's a very strong basis in truth in this, which

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Speaker 1: I think surprised both of us.

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Speaker 2: There is a little bit of truth in a way,

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Speaker 2: but it's Yeah, it's one of those things where it's

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Speaker 2: so prevalent. This what we're speaking about today, and let's

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Speaker 2: just say what it.

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Speaker 1: Is a predictive programming.

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Speaker 2: And it's so prevalent on the Internet when anything occurs.

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Speaker 2: There is so much media that exists and so many

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Speaker 2: things happening that when you find the little connective tissues,

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Speaker 2: there's always that eureka moment and it just happens all

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Speaker 1: Now maybe yeah, maybe we get into this too with

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Speaker 1: an anecdote. Several years ago, you and I made a

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Speaker 1: video about the Illuminati card game. Yes, yes, And in

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Speaker 1: the Illuminati Card Game there are certain cards that people

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Speaker 1: who believe in predictive programming have pointed to as evidence

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Speaker 2: The Twin Towers was one about a terrorist attack. There

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Speaker 2: were so many though, Deepwater Horizon from twenty ten was one,

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Speaker 2: and again in that video, I guess do we want

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Speaker 2: to spoil any of that right now? About kind of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, go ahead, laid up.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So there have been so many versions of that

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Speaker 2: which occurred in the nineties, right, and then, and or

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Speaker 1: Oh, we should also point out that it's a fun game.

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Speaker 2: It is a really fun game.

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Speaker 1: I was so happy because you introduced me to it.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to owe you for that one. Also, I

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Speaker 1: and Nola and I make a game of our own?

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Speaker 2: We could. We should make a game of our own.

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Speaker 2: We could live stream it.

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Speaker 1: Stuff they don't want you to play. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But but yeah, So that's a great example of an

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and for a lot of people, this is just

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Speaker 2: it speaks to the human imagination. What can what images

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Speaker 1: You're giving me chills. That is inspiring, especially the way

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The first is what the creators are trying to do.

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Speaker 2: It's not a secret that people who write screenplays and

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Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, And these authors could also depict something more aspirational,

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Speaker 2: You're talking about Star Trek.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Star Trek, Matt Man.

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Speaker 1: Right. It's a post scarcity economy, right, there's not income inequality,

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and then you could even have a Holid Deck.

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Speaker 1: I hated the Holid Deck episodes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I always felt like I was getting tricked.

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Speaker 1: I felt, you know, this is just my opinion, one

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's a I think it's a writing device

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Speaker 1: We have We have spent a lot of time thinking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not just the people creating the fiction and

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Oh, but the the you know, we talked

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Speaker 2: about Family Guy, but the granddaddy of Family Guy, the Simpsons.

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Speaker 2: They have an incredible track record of predicting various future

438
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Speaker 2: events and trends and things like this, And honestly, it

439
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Speaker 2: could be a whole episode of just hey, what did

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Speaker 2: the how did the Simpsons know that?

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Speaker 1: Oh boy? Yeah, and there's one that you had brought

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Speaker 1: up off air before too, Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: This is this is a great one. You'll find this

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Speaker 2: all over the internet, mostly on Facebook is where I've

445
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: seen it, and a couple other blog sites have reposted it.

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00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: But it's the Donald Trump presidency. There's so okay. On

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Speaker 2: June sixteenth, twenty fifteen, Donald Trump announced that he was

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Speaker 2: going to run for president, and you remember the whole deal,

449
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Speaker 2: coming down the escalator, waving to people. There are people

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Speaker 2: on the balcony with signs. Well, according to numerous posts

451
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Speaker 2: in the year two thousand, the Simpsons made this episode,

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Speaker 2: which is true. They made an episode called bart Bart

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Speaker 2: to the Future, and according to these posts, not only

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Speaker 2: did they predict the Trump presidency, they also predicted the

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Speaker 2: exact way in which his campaign would be announced. Again,

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Speaker 2: everything from the people standing on the balconies with signs

457
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Speaker 2: to Donald Trump going down the escalator. It's uncanny, it's insane,

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Speaker 2: it's the exact same sequence. Here's the problem, and you'll

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Speaker 2: notice this if you actually watch a clip from the

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Speaker 2: supposed Simpson's video. The animation quality is very high, and

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Speaker 2: you imagine the animation quality, you know, let's say fifteen

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Speaker 2: years later at least so like to twenty fifteen compared

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Speaker 2: to two thousand. Sure it changed a lot. And then

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Speaker 2: you do a little digging and then you realize all

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Speaker 2: of these posts are actually being taken from a July

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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen promotion of the next Simpsons season, which specifically,

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Speaker 2: it's a video that was posted to the YouTube channel

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Speaker 2: Animation on Fox. It was July seventh, twenty fifteen when

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Speaker 2: it was posted, and it's called Trump Tastic Voyage Season

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Speaker 2: twenty five The Simpsons, and what it is is a

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Speaker 2: perfect recreation of the event rather than a prediction of

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Speaker 2: the announcement of what was going to happen. But the

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Speaker 2: really interesting thing is if you go back to the

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Speaker 2: two thousand episode The Bart to the Future, they do

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Speaker 2: speak directly to Trump being president, but it's just an aside.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Maggie who says this, Oh God, there's

477
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Speaker 2: so much to explain here. But it's in the future.

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Speaker 2: It's like a vision of the future within the world

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Speaker 2: of The Simpsons. And in this vision of the future,

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Speaker 2: I want to say, it's Maggie the baby but now

481
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Speaker 2: grown up, who mentions something about something about how horrible

482
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Speaker 2: the Trump legacy was, so they're trying to fix like

483
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Speaker 2: all the budget or something. It's like I throw away

484
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Speaker 2: line essentially, but as a joke of Trump was president.

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Speaker 1: So this actual this actually happened before the Trump presidency.

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Speaker 1: But people have been conflating this with the later recreation

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Speaker 1: of the campaign announcement.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because it would be much more compelling if

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Speaker 2: this was actually what happened. And this is just naming

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Speaker 2: a few of these Oh my god. Yeah, there's so many.

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Speaker 2: There's so so many, And our first immediate questions are

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Speaker 2: pretty easy, Right, how is this different from a single

493
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Speaker 2: creative team proposing or depicting a social change they think

494
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Speaker 2: should happen. You know, if like the Star Trek example,

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Speaker 2: or let's say that the creators of The Simpsons really thought,

496
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Speaker 2: you know, the world will be a better place and

497
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Speaker 2: the best way to get it there is for us

498
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Speaker 2: to push the the greatness of a Donald Trump presidency.

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Speaker 2: Right that, Like, how is it different in this case,

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Speaker 2: in the Simpson's case, they're implying that it was a

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Speaker 2: bad thing for it.

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Speaker 1: To happen, Right, Yeah, it was a joke, it was,

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Speaker 1: And it was a joke.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like it's kind of a throwaway joke.

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Speaker 2: It's what it you know, sort of felt like.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and then the other question is, how are

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Speaker 1: these events different from you know, an accident. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know. As pattern seekers and master analyst all where,

510
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Speaker 1: we're not big fans of the idea of something being

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Speaker 1: an accident or a coincidence or just happening without a

512
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Speaker 1: real purpose behind it. First things first, from a psychological angle,

513
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Speaker 1: there's a problem with this idea of predictive programming because

514
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Speaker 1: we tend to model our behavior based less on an

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Speaker 1: object or an event and more on a character's reaction

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Speaker 1: to that object or event. There's a great experiment called

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Speaker 1: Bobo Doll. The Bobo Doll experiments in this is Bobo

518
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Speaker 1: is a clown. It's an inflatable clown, like punching bad clown.

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Speaker 2: All right, I can't hear this?

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Speaker 1: Do what me a wave? When when it passed this

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Speaker 1: part you come back and no stay stay this. Psychologist

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Speaker 1: Albert ben Dura conducted an experiment a series of studies

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Speaker 1: using an inflatable punching bad clown called the Bobo Doll,

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Speaker 1: and they got two groups of children. In one group,

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Speaker 1: each kid was shown a short film of an adult

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Speaker 1: hitting the doll, just smacking the grease paint off it.

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Speaker 1: In the other group, the adult in the film ignored

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Speaker 1: the doll, and after watching whichever film they were assigned to,

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Speaker 1: each kid was put in a room with a variety

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Speaker 1: of toys, including a Bobo doll. The children who have

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Speaker 1: been shown the aggressive video overwhelmingly mimic the adult and

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Speaker 1: beat the snot out of the doll, while the other

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Speaker 1: kids just ignored it because that's what you're supposed to do.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So this means that if we see, if we see

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Speaker 1: something depicting a future event, allegedly, what we're really paying

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Speaker 1: attention to psychologically is going to be how the characters

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Speaker 1: with whom we identify react to it. It's not going

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Speaker 1: to be a World Traits Center attack, it's not going

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Speaker 1: to be the Boston Marathon. It's going to be how

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Speaker 1: did the lone gunmen react to this? How did Peter

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Speaker 1: Griffin react to this? You know what I mean? Hmm,

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Speaker 1: And it sounds like a small difference, But it becomes

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Speaker 1: increasingly clear this is straight because the primary plank of

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Speaker 1: predictive programming as a theory is the idea that if

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Speaker 1: we see something in real life that we saw depicted

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Speaker 1: in fiction, we're going to have less of a reaction, right,

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Speaker 1: We're going to have resigned in difference or one quote,

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Speaker 1: a half hearted protest.

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Speaker 2: If we see something in real life that was predicted.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so if we say, oh, the CDC in Atlanta

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Speaker 1: blew up, but we saw several movies about that earlier,

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Speaker 1: so you know what evs Okay, that's the idea. But

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Speaker 1: what we see from the science behind this is that

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Speaker 1: the idea that just portraying something will elicit the same

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Speaker 1: reaction regardless of context is incorrect. There has to be

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Speaker 1: a context to the pattern to the action that observing.

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Speaker 1: So the doll itself, the object or the event is

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Speaker 1: not inherently it can be one thing or the other.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be how people react to it. Someone

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Speaker 1: hitting the doll, someone ignoring the doll. That's what people

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Speaker 1: are modeling.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm going back and applying this to all

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Speaker 2: this stuff, including the Trump presidency. Oh man, okay, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to reevaluate all that now. Thank you, Ben. That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: So there's another thing we haven't even we haven't even

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Speaker 2: discussed yet, which is that this type of prediction in

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Speaker 2: some form of mass media does really occur. It can occur,

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Speaker 2: and it's an accident, completely in accident. Consider the eerily

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Speaker 2: prescient story that you had mentioned before we've talked about

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Speaker 2: on the show before that, Edgar Allan Poe had this

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Speaker 2: vision of survival cannibalism on a boat.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the only novel he published, The Narrative of Arthur

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Speaker 1: Gordon Pim of Nantucket in eighteen thirty eight. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is a baffling coincidence. And even if you consider

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Speaker 1: yourself a very, very skeptical person, you have to admit

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Speaker 1: it boggles the mind.

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Speaker 2: I think this might be the best example that I've

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Speaker 2: ever heard.

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Speaker 1: So part way through the book the Narrative of Arthur

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Speaker 1: Gordon Pim of Nantucket, the crew of a ship called

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Speaker 1: Grampus like Crampis, but with a g finds themselves on

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Speaker 1: a damaged boat and they have no food and they

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Speaker 1: have no water. They manage to catch a tortoise and

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Speaker 1: eat that, but eventually to survive they resort to cannibalism.

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Speaker 1: They draw straws to figure out which one of them

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Speaker 1: will be sacrificed to feed everyone else. The death straw

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Speaker 1: goes to a guy named Richard Parker, who's promptly stabbed

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Speaker 1: his head. His hands, and his feet are thrown overboard,

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Speaker 1: and this keeps the rest of the crew alive a

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Speaker 1: little longer, but the last two members are still on

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Speaker 1: the brink of death when they're finally rescued. Poe himself

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Speaker 1: thought it was a really silly story. Quote very silly,

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Speaker 1: if we're being accurate, very silly, those are his words.

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Speaker 1: Until that is in eighteen eighty four in real life,

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Speaker 1: when a yacht named the Minonette left England headed toward Australia.

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Speaker 1: The four man crew barely escaped in a lifeboat, but

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Speaker 1: they didn't have enough food eat, they didn't have enough

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Speaker 1: water to drink. They did catch a turtle and they

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Speaker 1: ate it, but just like the people in the story

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Speaker 1: by Poe, which is forty five years old, at that point,

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Speaker 1: they resorted to cannibalism. Specifically of a seventeen year old

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Speaker 1: named Richard Parker.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that insane? That is that is the crew. Honestly

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Speaker 2: the craziest version of something like this that I think

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Speaker 2: has ever occurred.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm at a loss for words still thinking about it,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's so crazy and it really does

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Speaker 2: make you reevaluate the life of Pie movie with Richard Parker.

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Speaker 1: The Yeah, the name of the tiger. So this this

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Speaker 1: is a really weird thing too, because it's not spot on.

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Speaker 1: And are we also just seeing what we want to see?

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Speaker 2: You know? That is the question?

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Speaker 1: And there's an elephant in the room.

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh, there's a big elephant in the room, and

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about it right after a quick word from

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Speaker 2: our sponsor.

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Speaker 1: All right, here we go finally, and kudos to us, Matt.

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Speaker 1: We got so far without acknowledging this.

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Speaker 2: We did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we played the reindeer games. We said if this is,

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Speaker 1: if this is so, this is what would happen. These

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Speaker 1: are things we consider from pull different angles. But the big,

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Speaker 1: the big concern here, the as you said, the elephants,

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Speaker 1: is that this seems in every single case like a

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Speaker 1: very very very very complicated plan.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and the the motivations for the machinations aren't there

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Speaker 2: for me. And how much work you'd have to put

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Speaker 2: in to get the Simpsons to predict something so that

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Speaker 2: you would be as the public, that we would be

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Speaker 2: okay with something in the future baffles my mind. That

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Speaker 2: some screenwriter who wrote the pilot for this TV show,

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Speaker 2: the spinoff of The X Files, knew that there was

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Speaker 2: this plan that was going to be enacted several years

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Speaker 2: or a year from then, two years whatever?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 2: Why? How much planning would have to go into that.

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Speaker 1: Right? How much plan would have to go into it

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Speaker 1: publicly much less how much plan would have to go

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Speaker 1: into it for it to occur in secret? Yeah? Somehow? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's easily hundreds of people.

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Speaker 2: Because you're talking about getting people to approve a script.

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Speaker 2: I mean, just just that alone, that process is not

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Speaker 2: an easy one. And uh, I don't know, man.

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Speaker 1: Well it it takes almost double think on the part

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Speaker 1: of us to believe in this, because if we walk

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Speaker 1: through it, it requires us to believe that not only

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Speaker 1: is a work of fiction being made with knowledge of

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Speaker 1: future events, certain knowledge that they have certitude about this,

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Speaker 1: but also that the creators of the work are either

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Speaker 1: in cooperation with some shadowy cabal or they're members of

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Speaker 1: some shadowy cabal that has vast, near omniscient control over

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Speaker 1: events in the real world. But as still saying, you

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Speaker 1: know what, guys, we shall make movies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and all of these people are also okay with

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Speaker 2: these terrible tragedies that occur.

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Speaker 1: Right. This would mean that, if it were true someone

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Speaker 1: new catastrophes like nine to eleven were going to happen.

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Speaker 1: And additionally, rather than preventing the disaster, they had enough

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Speaker 1: time to make a high production level story about something

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Speaker 1: completely different, ultimately for the sole purpose of including a

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Speaker 1: passing reference to a real life event in the story

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Speaker 1: that seems like a massive amount of work for a

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Speaker 1: relatively small return.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I I don't get it, man, I don't. I

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Speaker 2: think in order to believe this fully you have to

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Speaker 2: really have gone down the rabbit hole of believing that

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Speaker 2: every person that's an elite of any sort is working

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Speaker 2: together for some bigger mass conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we have found, over the course of

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Speaker 1: our time digging into all sorts of strange stuff on

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Speaker 1: this show, we have found that it's a lot less

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Speaker 1: likely that one group actually rules the world. It's a

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Speaker 1: lot more likely that there are several groups who are

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Speaker 1: all vastly entitled and above the law who feel like

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Speaker 1: they should run the world. Yeah, and they don't get

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Speaker 1: along well.

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Speaker 2: And I wonder if you do subscribe to this theory,

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Speaker 2: you maybe, even as a conspiracy realist as we all

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Speaker 2: are in this, who can hear this voice right now?

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Speaker 2: Maybe you imagine that these are groups working, you know,

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Speaker 2: against each other with their predictive programming efforts. Ah.

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Speaker 1: I like that spin there. I like that angle because

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Speaker 1: it would also help at least to float the inevitable

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Speaker 1: problem of different predictions occurring. Right. That's really smart. There's

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Speaker 1: also there's another wrinkle in here, which is kind of

688
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Speaker 1: a con Propaganda works best when it's simplified. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's no denying that fiction is incredible powerful, and even

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Speaker 1: today books and films are banned by governments around the world.

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Speaker 1: And also propaganda is produced by governments around the world

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Speaker 1: or by think tanks or agencies. People with some sort

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Speaker 1: of agenda, whether they're a fervent nationalists, whether they are

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Speaker 1: racial supremacists of some sort, they're out there and they

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Speaker 1: want to have a story where their agenda or their

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Speaker 1: goal is presented as the right thing, the best thing.

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Speaker 1: And I know I'm mentioning. I know I'm mentioning groups

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Speaker 1: like nationalists and supremacists, but that's barely the surface. It's

699
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: like everybody. Yeah, so people who you know, it's cause agnostic.

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Speaker 1: It's a technique that does not fall under the purview

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Speaker 1: of any one particular group of people that you might

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Speaker 1: think of as evil or they might think of as good.

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Speaker 1: The people who want to save coral reefs are absolutely

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Speaker 1: capable of doing the same kind of things that you

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Speaker 1: would see from another propaganda entity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I happen to believe that they have truth on their side.

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Speaker 1: That that's just me.

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Speaker 2: You believe in the coral reefs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're real. I think it churns out.

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Speaker 2: Well, some of them are not real. I was just

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Speaker 2: learning about some of I think it's the Georgia Coast.

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Speaker 2: NPR was talking about this where there are fake coral reefs,

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Speaker 2: artificial reefs. Yeah, really fascinating stuff made out of rubble.

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Speaker 2: But they're still real, Like they're not coral. Though they're reefs,

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Speaker 2: they're not coral. That's all.

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Speaker 1: That's very good point. Matt. You thank you for bringing that,

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Speaker 1: bringing that to light. Finally, it's what Big Coral doesn't

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Speaker 1: want you to know.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, Oh man, rebar and concrete, it will do just

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Speaker 2: wonders for fish.

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Speaker 1: It needed to be said, Thank you, no problem, dude.

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Speaker 2: Just while we're still in oceanic been. My father called

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Speaker 2: me panicked the other day about the Great Pacific garbage Patch,

725
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Speaker 2: and I think he honestly hadn't ever heard of it before.

726
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Speaker 2: And you know, this is something that maybe you listening

727
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: to this have heard about it before. It is a

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Speaker 2: massively troubling thing that is happening, a huge amount of

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Speaker 2: plastic and other garbage that's just there. I feel like

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Speaker 2: we need to do some kind of episode on it

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Speaker 2: because my dad was genuinely terrified and felt like the

732
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Speaker 2: world was ending because of this.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's certainly not a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, absolutely, but I think imagining it and seeing

735
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Speaker 2: some of the imagery that the news was putting out

736
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Speaker 2: about it was fear inducing, and I think it's worth

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Speaker 2: us discussing maybe in the future about what could happen.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, we can also talk about whether recycling actually helps.

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Speaker 1: That's great because a lot of people in the West

740
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Speaker 1: at least are I don't know, are doing a ritual

741
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Speaker 1: where you put some trash in a blue box and

742
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Speaker 1: you tell yourself that you're making a difference, And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a sincere thing. We recycle here at

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Speaker 1: the office, but in a lot of places when people

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Speaker 1: come around to collect the garbage, the things from those

746
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Speaker 1: two boxes go in the same dumpster. Yep. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Sometimes I don't want to make a huge

748
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Speaker 1: sweeping statement about it, but it's true that does happen.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, let us know what we should examine when

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Speaker 1: it comes to recycling, when it comes to the Great

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Speaker 1: garbage Patch. We did do an episode on ocean acidification

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Speaker 1: and we did Yeah, and you know that's scary.

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Speaker 2: That's really scary. And why aren't we using the whole

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Speaker 2: the plasma methods of breaking down trash, turning it into

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Speaker 2: slag and usable gases.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you told me about that years ago. They had

757
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Speaker 1: the technology in Japan, right, dude.

758
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Speaker 2: They've been doing this for decades in Japan and a

759
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: couple other places, just turning their trash into energy and

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Speaker 2: usable building materials. Why aren't we doing this? Guys? Wow,

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Speaker 2: that's a massive tangent. Okay, let's get back to this

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Speaker 2: really fast.

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Speaker 1: Oh are we predictively programming the audience? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Is that what this is?

765
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Speaker 1: Is that what this whole thing was?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Paul, were you in on this? Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, Matt.

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Speaker 1: I figured the best way for you to learn this

769
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Speaker 1: would be on the air with no prep.

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Speaker 2: You made me a part of this.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's too late now. Pretty soon we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have George Soros, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, and I

773
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Speaker 1: don't know who else, Oprah, Alice Cooper. They're all gonna

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Speaker 1: walk in and do a slow clap.

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Speaker 2: The Bezos.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he's a fearsome beast though, Oh no, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't. We don't have any celebrity illuminati that that

778
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: are coming by. Although today as we recorded this, Davey

779
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: Diggs did drop by to appear on a show our

780
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: pal Chuck does called Movie Crush, So do check that out.

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Speaker 2: It was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Did you like that organic segue and perfect?

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Speaker 2: Ah?

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Speaker 1: Thanks? You know they sometimes call me the Matt Frederick

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Speaker 1: of a Smooth Plugs. It's it's a tremendous compliment one

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Speaker 1: I don't deserve.

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Speaker 2: But you know, if you're if you're thinking to yourself,

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Speaker 2: what did I miss and you want to, you know,

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Speaker 2: send us something. If you have any questions or comments

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00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: about anything we've talked about today. Have you noticed a

791
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: different version of predictive programming? Or do you have a

792
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: really good example, or you know what, do you think

793
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: it's hogwash? You should write to us. You can find

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