1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: He needs to keep his promises. You don't know what's 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: true anymore. It hurts me to see people burning the flyer. 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Race relations that I just saw, like the politics, unbelievable. 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: It's what you've been waiting for all day. America Now, 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America now joined the conversation called Buck 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: toll free at eight four four hundred Buck. That's eight 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: four four d to eight to five, sharp mind, strong voice, 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton. Buck Sexton with you all now, thank you 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,319 Speaker 1: so much for joining. Great to have you here in 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: the Freedom Hut. Oh man, We've got a lot to 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: discuss today, Lots going on in the world. Let's going 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: on right here at home. Let me just give you 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: a quick rundown of guests, and that will also give 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: you a sense of topics we're gonna be hitting throughout 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: the show. We've got the one and only Kim Strassel 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: of the Wall Street Journal joining us later with news 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: the day, including the deportation orders and detention rule is 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: that the administration released today as part of the crackdown 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: on illegal immigration that is just beginning. We talked to 20 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: him about that and some other issues. We've got Match Lap, 21 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: chairman of the American Conservative Union and c PACK. It's 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: going to talk to us about c PACK. And also, 23 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: of course, I'm sure we'll get into a bit of 24 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: the Milo Unapolis controversy. Marker Corey and executive director of 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: the Center for Immigration Studies, gonna talk to us a 26 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: bit about what's true on all this immigration stuff and 27 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: what's not. He's got some new analysis for us on 28 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 1: what the cost the cost of the border wall would 29 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: be and how it could be paid for. Here's and 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with Mexico paying for it in 31 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: this case. And then also Ammy Horowitz, who's the filmmaker 32 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: who made a documentary about Sweden and the problems it's 33 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: having with refugee crime and immigrant crime. And Donald Trump 34 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: saw his video and mentioned it and it became a 35 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: thing in the news cycle. There's also a lot going 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: on Sweden. So we haven't absolutely Jay Impact show today, 37 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: and I'm very pleased, very thankful to have you all 38 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: here with me as we get into it. So the 39 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: guidance documents came out today. Now the guidance documents have 40 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: some specificity when it comes to immigration. This is the 41 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: Department Homeland Security, where you've got General Kelly alongside now 42 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: he's a DHS. The head of DHS, General McMaster, who 43 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: is now the National Security Advisor, General Maddis, who is 44 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: the Defense Secretary. You've got three esteemed and brilliant military 45 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: minds in three of the most critical posts in the 46 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: United States government. But Kelly is one of them. He's 47 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: DHS secretary and his agency released today these guidance documents. 48 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: Guidance documents and what's what's amazing, and you have to 49 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: start with this right away. Forget about everything else the 50 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: media is saying about it, because you're gonna see lots 51 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 1: of stories about immigrants in the shadows, and notice they'll 52 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: say immigrants, they won't specify illegal immigrants. No legal immigrant 53 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: has any reason to be concerned about anything that Trump 54 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: has put out today, and I don't believe will have 55 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: any reason to be concern anything he's doing in the future. 56 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: We like green card holders, we like people who want 57 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: to become US citizens. We like people who go through 58 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: the legal process. That's why we have the process. Right. 59 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: This is if you were running a university and you 60 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: have people that are applying to your university, you're happy 61 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: that people are applying. You want them to come to university. 62 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: That's why you set up that process. You wouldn't be 63 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: happy if people were sneaking into the admissions office and 64 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: jumping ahead of the line and making sure that they 65 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: gained admission without going through that competitive process. And yes, 66 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: in fact, our immigration system is supposed to be a 67 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: competitive process. We've often lost sight of that recently because 68 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: the way that the media talks about this, they say 69 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: that it's not really important because we're a nation of immigrants, 70 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: you see, and immigrants do the jobs Americans won't do. 71 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: And if you don't accept that rhetoric, if you don't 72 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: accept those storylines, you're pushing immigrants into the shadows, and 73 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: you are heartless, and you're breaking up families. I often 74 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: find it very interesting when you hear these different groups 75 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: talking about illegal immigrants, they don't seem quite as upset 76 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: about all the other federal laws that are out there 77 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: that are exercised, that are implemented. People are prosecuted under 78 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: those statutes. Those all break up families too. People go 79 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: to prison, people lose their houses, people lose their life savings, 80 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: and many in some cases because of federal laws that 81 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: I don't even think should exist. But the laws are there, 82 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: and what this Trump guidance. And that's a good transition point, 83 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: because what this Trump guidance, these Trump guidance documents accomplish 84 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: is mostly just a reset on the way that the 85 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: government is going to approach immigration. And here's the here's 86 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: the magic sauce, here's the special trick. Here's the the 87 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: way that they are going to bring about a dramatic 88 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: change in attitudes about immigration and how our immigration policy works. 89 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: Assuming this all goes through, and I know there are 90 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: going to be court battles. The various sanctuary cities across 91 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: the country will fight this. This is not going to 92 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 1: be easy or simple in any way. This is going 93 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: to be a knockdown, drag out fight with much of 94 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: the left because it's not just ideological. Their power is 95 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: at stake here when you're talking about the mayor or 96 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: even the statewide elected office holders, whether congressmen or senators 97 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: in places like California, New York, there are so many 98 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: illegal immigrants who of course have ties many times into 99 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: the legal immigrant community. If they have children here, they 100 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: have birthright citizenship, and they have family members here, then 101 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: they might have access to benefits in the household, and 102 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: who knows by the way. I actually worked in law 103 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: enforcement for a short while and spent some time with 104 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: many career law enforcement officers, and we would they would 105 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: openly about how benefits fraud unless it was really egregious. 106 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: And this is even apart from the illegal immigration issue. 107 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: But of course illegal immigration plays into this because the 108 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: undocumented or illegal aliens is they're known in law are 109 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: more likely because to violate benefits laws because they're not 110 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: allowed to get any benefits, at least they're not supposed 111 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: to the federal level, but they do. And unless there's 112 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: an egregious case of somebody who is claiming fifteen dependents, 113 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: and there have been these cases in the past, they'll 114 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: prosecute that. You know, if you look like you're you're 115 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: you're living a bit large, if you look like you're 116 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: just getting a little too much in the way of 117 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: benefits from the state, they'll crack down on you. But 118 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: generally speaking, benefits fraud is not prosecuted because the defendants 119 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: are sympathetic and it's not considered a worthwhile expenditure of 120 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: law enforcement resources. Tell that of course, the i R 121 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: S when they send you a bill in the mail 122 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: for seven dollars or seven thousand or seventy thousand dollars, 123 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: whatever the case. Maybe they'll track you down, they'll turn 124 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: the I R S will turn you as us. It's 125 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: an upside down and shake out your pockets and take 126 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: whatever money they think you owe them. But when it 127 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: comes to benefits fraud, for example, with the illegal immigrant community, 128 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: they don't look into this because they don't want to, 129 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: and because the different legal authorities that are in place 130 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: in sanctuary cities. And there's the there's the main sanctuary cities, 131 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: and then there's the secondary UH and tertiary sanctuary cities. 132 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: And there are places where this is a matter of 133 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: absolute political sanctity. I mean, they just will not budge 134 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: on this. L A. New York, other major metropolitan areas, 135 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: and then the places that are afraid of getting sued 136 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: by the A C l U. But here's and so 137 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: they have these policies in place for self preservation. And 138 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: I feel pad for these localities, these cities, the mayors 139 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: and law enforcement officers who are left to deal with, Oh, 140 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: egal immigrant crime. We're told that's not a problem. Oh, 141 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: isn't that fascinating? Isn't it amazing to see the media 142 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: make generalizations about Americans. They'll say, for example, well, Americans 143 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: commit more crimes than illegal immigrants. Do Oh, I'd like 144 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: to see the numbers on that. I'd like an explanation 145 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: of that. But aren't they really just saying then that 146 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: illegal immigrants are better than Americans. This is our own 147 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: government telling us this. Yeah, they'll say that, and they 148 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: have no problem saying it because it fits the political 149 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: narrative of the moment. But here's the radical departure from 150 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: the immigration norm of recent decades, of course, spurred on 151 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: by the Democratic parties insatiable need for power, for votes 152 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: for those who are more likely to be dependent on 153 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: the state and its largess, which keep in mind, is 154 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: always largest that is taken from you by force. The 155 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: state has no money of its own to give, It 156 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: takes any from you. It takes resources from you and 157 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: time which is really the same thing, and gives it 158 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: to others. And it does so under the banner of 159 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: what is righteous, what is humanitarian? What is fair? To 160 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: borrow and Obama moment there it was. It was about fairness, 161 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: you will recall. But so the revolutionary approach that the 162 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: Trump White House is going to have on immigration, and 163 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: we're just seeing bits and pieces of it rolled out today. 164 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: This revolution in law enforcement application is going to involve 165 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: the following enforce the laws as they are written. Oh 166 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: my gosh, how could you you see? If the laws 167 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: themselves there's xenophobic and racist and wrong, well, then members 168 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: of Congress should stand up and say they want to 169 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: get rid of these laws. The Democrats won't do that. 170 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: They prefer to have it both ways. They prefer to 171 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: have their cake and eat it too. Sure, keep laws 172 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: in place so they can pretend that they want secure 173 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: borders and immigration enforcement, but then do everything in your power. 174 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: As a Democrat who wants to have the votes of 175 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: illegal and just in general immigrant communities, do everything in 176 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: your power to get them to vote for you. And 177 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: that means, of course, promoting this idea that law enforcement 178 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: should not enforce the laws when it comes to immigration. 179 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: So the guidance documents out today, I'll have to give 180 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: you the specifics of them. On the other side of 181 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: this break, but they're gearing up for a real political 182 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: fight in d C right now on both sides because 183 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: this goes to the heart. This is kind of like 184 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: going after the teachers unions, only it brings in even 185 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: more now you're going after the power base the Democratic Party. 186 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: You're going after after the notion that there should be 187 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: immigrant communities that vote entirely Democrat, because Democrat Party is 188 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: de facto open borders, or at least wishes it could 189 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: get away with being so all right, I've got so 190 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: much show. I'm running short on time here eight four 191 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: four nine zero zero to eight to five. What do 192 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: you think about these immigration guidance documents from today? What 193 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: do you think is coming out this week? Buck Sexton 194 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: with American Now continues right after the break. So the 195 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: guidance documents from the Department of Homeland Security, Let's talk 196 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: about these for a minute. Here. They establish some new 197 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: approaches to immigration under this administration, approaches that are well 198 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: within existing law. Isn't this amazing? Isn't it quite a 199 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: wake up call? I think for many of us that 200 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: you can have what is considered a draconian, a a 201 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: hardline immigration policy by looking at what current immigration law 202 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: says and turning around and saying, let's do that stuff. 203 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: Let's let's do what the immigration laws say, instead of 204 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: just as a matter of policy from the top down, 205 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: as we saw during the Obama years in the White 206 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: House ignoring these laws to the greatest extent possible. Now, 207 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: of course Democrats are going to have to agree publicly, 208 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: at least with sending gang gang offenders, you know, murderers, rapists, 209 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: cartel hit men who are not US citizens back to 210 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: where they came from. Right that that would seem like 211 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: a pretty straightforward political issue for both sides. You can't 212 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: allow people who are a danger to US citizens to 213 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: continue to stay here beyond when they serve their term, 214 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: assuming they are serving a term, but but after that, 215 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: it gets very tough on the Democrats that they don't 216 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: really want to send anybody home, it seems, because it's 217 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: easier to be virtuous when you have no risk yourself. 218 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: You know, you're you're risking other people. That's always the 219 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: Democrat mindset with this. It's not the journalists who write 220 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: for the favor newspapers in New York and d C. 221 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: You know, they're not going to deal with illegal immigrants 222 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: overflow into schools, into classrooms that are already overburdened. They're 223 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: not certainly going to generally speaking, be competing with the 224 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: legal immigrants for jobs. They feel like it doesn't affect them, 225 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: and so it's almost like getting to be charitable and 226 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: you're writing checks out of somebody else's bank account. Well, 227 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: who wouldn't want to sign on for that? The more 228 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: of the marrier, bring everyone in. They'll vote for the 229 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: same people I vote for as a Democrat, and we 230 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: can feed them and clothe them and take care of them, 231 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: and someone else is gonna be picking up the bill. 232 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: Isn't that great? It is virtue signaling with no cost 233 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: to the individuals who are doing that signaling. Of course, 234 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: no surprise. So the guidance documents from DHS established the following. 235 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: This is in contact, this is in contravention, this is 236 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: a departure from what had been the case. And I'm 237 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: gonna tell you these things, and I hope I don't. 238 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: I don't have to give you a a trigger warning 239 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: here that you have to cover years. Oh my gosh, 240 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: good heavens, How will we ever, how will we ever 241 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: live with ourselves? If we do things like, for example, 242 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: increase the population of illegal aliens um to onto the 243 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: deport deportation side of the ledger. Where you have fraud 244 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: before a government agency is now a deportable offense. Keep 245 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: in mind, under law, anyone who is here illegally can 246 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: be deported. That is the law currently, but they're expanding 247 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: the enforcement priorities so that somebody who goes before a 248 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: government agency, i e. Somebody who presents fake documents, Remember 249 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: they're not undocumented, they've got documents, usually of some kind, 250 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: that fake documents before a government agency, then they could 251 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: be deported. Now, if you went before a government agency 252 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: and showed fake documents, you'd have a criminal record. This 253 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: would be a big problem for you. But if an 254 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: illegal alien goes before a government agency, we're supposed to think, well, 255 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: they have no choice, so they have to do this. Well, 256 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: they had the choice to not be in the country 257 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: illegally in the first place. That's the first step in 258 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: the in the choice decision tree. Okay, Uh. The abuse 259 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: of government benefits. As I mentioned to you, we have 260 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: very our numbers on this are not good. I know 261 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: about this from the local law enforcement level, talking to 262 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: old NYPD guys who have been on the job for years, 263 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: and they would tell me, look, there's all kinds of 264 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: welfare for all that goes on, including for legal immigrants, 265 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: but it's just not what prosecuted prosecutors got to spend 266 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: their time dealing with assaults and burglaries and drug dealers. 267 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: They're not gonna be going after people who are getting 268 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: food stamps illegally. But at the macro level, how many 269 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: people are getting government benefits that aren't supposed to? And 270 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: what does that mean? Why should we continue to be 271 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: paying for this? As I say to all of you, 272 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: you know at the at the if you want to 273 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: take it to that place where oh, well, what's the 274 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: big deal If somebody's getting benefits they're not supposed to. 275 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: What's the big deal? If I don't pay my taxes, 276 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: if you don't pay your taxes, it has from a 277 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: from a monetary perspective for the United States Treasury, zero 278 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: absolutely zero impact. You could go your whole life not 279 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: pay a sentence taxes, and no sane human being could 280 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: say to you that the country is going to be 281 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: worse off because of it. Of Course, the argument quickly 282 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: turns into the debate would turn to, well if everybody 283 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: did that, all that's right. So if everybody does it, 284 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: it's a problem. That's why we have laws, and that's 285 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: why and that's why we have enforcement of those laws. Well, 286 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: if that applies to taxes, shouldn't also apply to immigration. 287 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: Look at that. We've constructed an argument pretty quickly for 288 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: why benefits fraud is also a problem. You have expedited removals. 289 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: It used to be the case under the Obama administration 290 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: that you had a window of time during which if 291 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: you were here, you were able to be deported back quickly. 292 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: I believe it was less than twelve months. Now it's 293 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: two years. So if you've been in the country illegally 294 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: for two years or less, you can just be on 295 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: an expedited removal process. That means so anyone who's come 296 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: recently thinking well, I'm going to get the benefit of 297 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: amnesty because they thought amnesty was coming. They thought maybe 298 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: that Obama would pass some executive order that would give 299 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: them status. Whatever the case may be, they can be 300 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: sent back quickly. You have ten thousand immigration and customs 301 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: agents that are going to be hired and added to 302 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: the existing existing roles, which means there'll be more individuals 303 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: out there to enforce these laws. That's rather straightforward, No 304 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: need to explain that. It just means they'll be more 305 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: law enforcement officers to handle, uh, these expanded case loads 306 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: that will happen as you expand the pool of the deportable. 307 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: You will need more law enforcement resources to manage that. Also, 308 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: according to the New York Times here which of course 309 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: go back and as I've said, you read some of 310 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: the editorial spent times and nineties about a legal immigration, 311 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: all all about how it it hurts work, it hurts 312 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: workers wages, and it puts negative negative pressure on school systems, 313 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: that on the local economy in many ways. There's all 314 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: kinds of problems. Never mind the crime issue, which will 315 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: visit will revisit that later on in the show tonight. Um, 316 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: but you have a Central American parents have in recent 317 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: years been bringing their children, their unacompanied children, across the 318 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: border to meet them here in this country. Under based 319 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: on what the New York Times to saying, those people 320 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: may be charged with human trafficking if they continue to 321 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: do that. And look, they're they're taking their risking the 322 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: lives of their children by doing this, and they're also 323 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: it's it's a decision that should not be supported because 324 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: the life of the child is the most important thing, 325 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: not that the parent wants to be in America, and 326 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: the child should then be left to fend for himself 327 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: or herself crossing the southern border, and also local law 328 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: enforcement will be brought into some level of compliance or 329 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: assistance with federal immigration authorities. That's really it. But if 330 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: you were a thumb through the pages of major newspapers, 331 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: if you were to look on most left wing sites 332 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: right now, you would get the sense that we are 333 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,959 Speaker 1: just entering some Orwellian nightmare and the Trump administration is 334 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: preparing massive detainee camps all over the country that eventually 335 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: all of us are going to be sent to. It's 336 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: just not true. Let's stick with the facts, let's stick 337 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: with the policy, and let's talk about what all this 338 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: means and where it's gonna go. Alright, Team Buck will 339 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: be back right after this break, Buck Sexton with America 340 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: now where there is always something to talk about, where 341 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: you can trade opinions with Buck. I'm not sure you'll win, though. 342 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: Just call eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight 343 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: four four nine hundred two eight to five. All right, Buck, 344 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: You're on alright, Team Buck. Phones are open eight four 345 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: four nine zero zero to eight to five eight four 346 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: four nine hundred Buck, b U c K. But we're 347 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: joined out by our guests, the one and only Kim Strassel. 348 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: She is a columnist of The Wall Street Journal, where 349 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: she's also a member of the editorial board, and the 350 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: author of The intim Nation Game, How the Left Is 351 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: Silencing Free Speech, an excellent book. Kim, thank you so 352 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: much for calling hi. Buck. So if we trade opinions, 353 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: will I win UM with you? I'd be a little 354 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: more concerned, Kim. But generally speaking, I hope to give 355 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: myself the edge with random calls. But who knows, I 356 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: got a brilliant audience too. Let's take let's take the 357 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: latest news of the day here on the immigration situation. Uh, 358 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: we know, I went through the guidance documents before UM, 359 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,239 Speaker 1: but DOCCA is going to stay in place. One thing 360 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: I didn't get to it seems to be the Trump 361 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: administration is slowly tightening the screws on enforcement here. But 362 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: this is an all all of the above approach. He 363 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: seems to be completely hedging his bets here, and I 364 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,959 Speaker 1: think in in a way that's actually very good for 365 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: the immigration system. He said on the campaign trail, especially 366 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: towards the end, that he was going to focus on 367 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: those who were engaged in criminal acts in the United States. 368 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: One thing that is interesting to me about these Guy I. 369 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: Diden's documents is that they focus on and we have 370 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: a lot of attention obviously on illegal immigrants, but it 371 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: is notable that they are wide enough in scope that 372 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: those that, for instance, who are here quote lawfully, meaning 373 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: those with green cards who have committed criminal offenses are 374 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: also on the target screen, which is not necessarily a 375 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: bad thing having a green card here. It is not 376 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: in any way incitl you to stay um if you 377 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: have committed a crime. So he's got them. At the 378 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: same time, the Dreamer's Act is something I think it's 379 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: very aspirational. Members of Congress want to work in a 380 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: bipartisan fashion to try to codify it in some way. 381 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: So he seems to be giving them the space to 382 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: sit back and and try to make sure that those 383 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: who were brought here by their parents, who are productive 384 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: members of the American society are not sent back through 385 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 1: no fault of their own. Now, the travel ban, that 386 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: was what we were expecting this week, also under the 387 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: broad the broad general topic of immigration. Here, what we 388 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: know is that it's supposed to be tailored to the 389 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: specific objections that the three judges on that Ninth Circuit 390 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: Court of Appeals panel cited. Do you when do we 391 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: know when that's coming out? And also do you think 392 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: it's going to be enough or do you think that 393 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: there'll be a judicial objection soon after this newest executive 394 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: order on immigration is unveiled. Look, we're talking about the 395 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: Ninth Circuit here, so nothing would surprise me. And given 396 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: the way in which they looked at this first order, 397 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: they really didn't have a legal leg to stand on buck, 398 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: but they decided to proceed anyway with the upholding the 399 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: injunction and not letting this proceed. The Trump administration is 400 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: going to work very hard to try to come up 401 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: with a tighter enforcement mechanism here in terms of allowing 402 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: people in. And and that's to their benefit because you 403 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: want something that, if it works its way up the 404 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: courts can withstand judicial scrutiny. But I think that everyone 405 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: should be prepared that the Ninth Circuit, in particular, which 406 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: is a circuit known for being overturned by the Supreme Court, 407 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: may well come up with a crazy theory on anything 408 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: that the Trump administration puts out. I wonder if the 409 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: decision by Judge brink him down in Virginia. I think 410 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 1: it was last week where she wrote, this is just 411 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: bigotry playing and simple. She doesn't care because Trump said 412 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: biggert at things in the campaign trail. This law or 413 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: this executive order, I should say, is rooted in bigotry, 414 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 1: and therefore you know she's she's against the whole thing. 415 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if that's where this fight then goes. They'll 416 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: address the specific concerns about green card holders and uh, 417 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: whether there's due notice given to people before they travel, 418 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: before their in process of traveling to the US, and 419 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: maybe they'll even give some details on extreme vetting. But 420 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: if religious bigotry becomes the entirety of the objection to this, 421 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: I think we could see this dragging out for quite 422 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: a while and then I think it does probably make 423 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: its way up to the Supreme Court. But I also 424 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: want to ask, speaking of bigotry, anti Semitism is getting 425 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: a lot of play in the press this week. Trump 426 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: has denounced it. He has said that it is something 427 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: that is horrible and he's going to stop it. It 428 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: has to stop. But it seems like the press still 429 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: is running with well now it's the Trump didn't speak 430 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: about anti semitism and decry it soon enough for their 431 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: liking it. Seems like he can't win. It's extraordinary he 432 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: can't win. I mean, look, this is a man who 433 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: has close relatives who are of the Jewish faith, and 434 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: so we've had this extraordinary focus on the Holocaust Day 435 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: statement and the fact that there was no reference to Jews, 436 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: and whether or not there he's denouncing anti Semitism in 437 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: a more most aggressive way. Look, this sort of standard 438 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: was not held to other people. And this is something 439 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: that I think is just the mainstream media again trying 440 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: to whip up controversy, and it's incredibly frustrating for the 441 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,479 Speaker 1: American people who want to be hearing. Look, we just 442 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: got through the first month of his administration. People want 443 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: to know what exactly has come out, what the executive 444 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: orders mean, how it's going to affect their daily lives. 445 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: Businesses are fascinated with the regulatory rollback, and instead we're 446 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: having these daily controversies over things like anti semitism and 447 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: if it actually exists, and much of it being driven 448 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: by stars on the outside that are in the pop 449 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: culture realm, like my little Unopolis, and it's not directly 450 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: related to what the efforts of the Trump administration are doing. 451 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: At the moment. I had to. I had to just 452 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: take a moment to to just say wow, um, I 453 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: think it was Slate or the Nation. Maybe it was 454 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: the Nation had its main piece up right now? Is 455 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: is there really any difference between my little unopolis and Trump? 456 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: You know where there you go, No surprise, that's where 457 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: that that's where they take it right away. But Trump's 458 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: comments denouncing, denouncing anti Semitism are there? Can we play 459 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: do we have the audio? Can we play the audio 460 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: of Trump's comments announcing the thank you go. I will 461 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: tell you that anti Semitism is horrible and it's gonna stop, 462 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: and it has to stop. So you're announcing now once 463 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: in well, of course, and I do it whoever I 464 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: get a chance, I do it. It seems to me 465 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: like Trump announces this and this is a completely made 466 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: I mean, Trump's made up controversy in the sense that 467 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: Trump's son in law is Orthodox Jewish, his daughter is 468 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: a convert to Judaism. Uh, there's nothing about this guy 469 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: in in the in his life up to when he 470 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: was running for office, has any there's no evidence of 471 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: anti Semitism. But there's this insinuation that somehow he's an 472 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: anti Semite or some people aren't insituating, there's coming out 473 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: and saying it. They have to add that to he's 474 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: a sexist, he's a racist, he's a enophobe, he's anti Muslim, 475 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: and oh, by the way, he's also anti Semitic, which 476 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: would be quite a shock to some members of his family. 477 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: It's extraordinary. And what is amazing to me, Buck is 478 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: the hypocrisy here in that many of the same people 479 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: who are now suggesting that Trump is this scary out 480 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: of bounds right wing militant on these questions of sexism 481 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: and hobo phone via and uh, anti Semitic are the 482 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: same people who liked to crow earlier this summer that 483 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: Trump wasn't a real Republican, you know, and point out 484 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: some of his past supposedly, uh, you know, things that 485 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: he had done that made him not a true Republican, 486 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: the fact that he was pro choice for many years 487 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: of his life. For instance, this is a guy who 488 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: grew up in the kind of polyglot environment of New 489 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: York City. You know, if you have looked at his 490 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: business and his business dealings, that there are women that 491 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: have held high and important positions in his companies. Uh, 492 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: that he has worked with every manner of American, any 493 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: color and every class. I don't think that it's very 494 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: easy to in any way pigeonhole him him as some 495 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: sort of person who is intolerant of other people, especially 496 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: when he makes categorical statements to the contrary. So it's 497 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: this is really dirt by association, and it's the best 498 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,959 Speaker 1: the press seems to be able to get on him 499 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: at times. Yeah, and he's whether I believe he visited 500 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: He visited museum today and said it was eye opening, 501 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: and I saw the press, I saw members of the press, 502 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: including a New York Times report, Oh, it was eye opening. 503 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: And then all the commentary is, oh, you mean he 504 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: didn't know any of this stuff beforehand. It's you know, 505 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: there there is a large wing of the media right 506 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: now that is anything Trump says is bad. It does. 507 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: Trump can say good morning, and he's a big at 508 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: Trump can say how are things going, and it's because 509 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: he's a racist, and that they've created this construct of Trump, 510 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: the the the always evil, always bad guy out of 511 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: somebody who, as you point out, is a real estate 512 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: and media mogul from born and raised in New York City. 513 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: But they really like to conjure this notion of him 514 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: as like a member of the clan in some backwoods 515 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: area somewhere. He's a bigot, he's a ruby, he's a hic, 516 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: and it just has no bearing on reality. But people 517 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: seem convinced of this, and I mean people who have 518 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: big followings and fancy platforms in the media. If the 519 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: press wants to be considered with any validity by a 520 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: significant portion of this country, it's going to have to 521 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: step back, remove its personal feelings about Donald Trump, and 522 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: begin to report about this administration in terms of its 523 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: actions and its consequences. Uh. You know, it's funny. It's 524 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: just they're triggered so easily. That's the word I like 525 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: to use, where anything he does they go running off. 526 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: It's like a magpie after something glittery and there I 527 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: think benefits maybe to Trump for this, and that it's misdirection. 528 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: They're not paying attention to anything he's doing in a 529 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: substantive fashion, so they can't complain about that, I suppose. 530 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: But on the other hand, they're just creating these media 531 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: firestorms on a day by day base. This they don't 532 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: do themselves any favorite. Let's all remember all the conversation 533 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: about Trump's lower approval ratings than other presidents at this 534 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: period in their white houses. Is nothing compared to the 535 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 1: low approval rating and sinking approval rating of the press, 536 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: which was in place well before Donald Trump ever became president. 537 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: And the press has got to think hard about why 538 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: they're so little trusted by the American people and what 539 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: they need to do to fix that. Yeah, the press 540 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: is about as popular as an infected hair follicle. I mean, really, 541 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: no one's particularly excited about where the media is these days. 542 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: So nonethless, nice vision. They're sorry that all apologies. Kim 543 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: strassing the comments for the Wall Street Journal. She's a 544 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: member of the journal's editorial board. Check out her book 545 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: Everybody The Intimidation Game How the Left is silencing free speech. Kim, 546 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: thank you so much for hanging out. Great to have you. No, 547 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: thanks so much, bybye. Alright, team hitting a break, We'll 548 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: be right back. Buck is back with you on America now. 549 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: Thank you for being here. Eight four four, nine hundred 550 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: to eight to five. That's the number here if you 551 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: want to give us a ring. I just want to say, 552 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: on the way in today, I walked past a coffee 553 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: shop and right now the studio man is in a 554 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: very very nice, very trendy part of Manhattan, and I 555 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: walked past a coffee shop where I'm sure you could 556 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: find what, however you like your five dollar latte, they 557 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: can make it happen for you. And they had a 558 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: sign outside that said Refugees Welcome. And I just thought 559 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: to myself, Oh, wow, they're really extending themselves, aren't they. 560 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: Refugees Welcome. There's also a banner reading Refugees Welcome that 561 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: was unfurled on the Statue of Liberty this afternoon here 562 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: in New York City, twenty feet by three feet that 563 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: somebody put up at the Statue of Liberty. So, yep, 564 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: this is now a thing. It's a meme. Once it's 565 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: a meme, then you know the Left is taken it seriously. 566 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, that coffee shop. If you if you managed 567 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: to get from the coast of Turkey to Greece up 568 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: through Europe and you find your way all the way 569 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: all the way into downtown Manhattan, Uh, there's a coffee 570 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: shop that's not going to kick you out, Not that 571 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: any of them would, but I guess it's fun for 572 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: them to pretend that they're doing their part for the cause. 573 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: Of refugees. Colin in Grand Rapids. You're on the Buck 574 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: Sexton Show Shield time. Man, I'm good. Hey, I just 575 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you a quick questions kind of so 576 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: when you're growing up, like how did your parents affect 577 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: like your political views? And because I feel feel like 578 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: we live in a society now where I'm twenty four 579 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: and nowadays everyone my age is just so like affected 580 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: by the media and and I just feel like they've 581 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: lost all like I don't know, just because everyone sees 582 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: it as so wrong and going to their college classes 583 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: and whatnot. I didn't grow up in a in a 584 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: political family. Really, I don't think anybody was all that 585 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: invested in in politics any more than just staying staying 586 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: informed about current events. I'm from a New York City family, though, 587 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: so I think that our our perceptions of the world 588 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: and and of UH the need for government to take 589 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: action to protect us. After nine eleven, there was a shift, 590 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: There was a change, UM, and I think that that 591 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: informed very mean. It changed the course of my life. 592 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: I went to the CIA because of nine eleven. I 593 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: know there are many others who millions who have served 594 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: in the armed forces and joined up UH. Many of 595 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: them joined up because of nine eleven. So I think 596 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: that there was a that was perhaps when we started 597 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: paying more attention to politics, quite honestly, but I don't 598 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: how did I become who I am in terms of 599 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: thinking this way, even though I'm from New York City. 600 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have a good answer for you. 601 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: Column just sort of just sort of happened. I think 602 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: everybody else, they all think that I'm crazy. And I 603 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: think that all of all of them who disagree with me, 604 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: or rather all of them who think that I'm crazy, 605 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: I think they're crazy. I see also the hypocrisy. It's 606 00:33:54,680 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: really not possible to live a uh it's sort of elitist, liberal, urban, 607 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: you know, city lifestyle and not fall into all kinds 608 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: of hypocrisy. Right. These are people who, you know, they're 609 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: all a lot of them are are very in favor 610 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: of of public schools, but you know, they want to 611 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: go to either a Catholic school or a private school. 612 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: You see a lot of that in New York City. Uh, 613 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: they're all in favor of everyone else paying higher taxes, 614 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: but they want to take advantage of every tax break 615 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: they possibly can and pay for. You know, you just 616 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: see a lot of that um and I think that's 617 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: that was part of my political awakening and also going 618 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: to going to a college where and this is true 619 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: of many colleges across the country, a vast majority them, 620 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: I think the leftist indoctrination just became too much to 621 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: to bear. It was just too divorced from reality. And 622 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: I guess I should talk about that at some length. 623 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: Is some interesting, worthwhile antidotes, I think from my own 624 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: college process of that indoctrination and what all that meant, 625 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people would resonate with 626 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: them today. But Colin from Grand Rapids, thank you very 627 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: much for calling in. I want to talk about our 628 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: sponsor this, our goldline. Look, the federal government has been 629 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: involved in all kinds of machinations behind the scenes, and 630 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: with the Fed monetary policy, they're doing everything they can 631 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: to make sure the music doesn't stop. But do you 632 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: think that they really know what they're doing? And do 633 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: you think that they'll be able to keep inflation at 634 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: bay forever? You think that they'll be able to protect 635 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: the dollar over the long term. Well, look, there's that 636 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,399 Speaker 1: there's also the threat of a digital currency. They're all 637 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: kinds of problems that we really need to address. And 638 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: if you want to protect yourself, there's no better way 639 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: to do it then with gold and silver. Unlike digital 640 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: currencies today, gold and silver are tangible. They are assets. 641 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: They are things that you can hold and have and 642 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: maintain value over time. And the best place to go 643 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: and get your gold is Goldline. They are a proven 644 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: winner for people buying and selling precious medals from more 645 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: than half a century. They have an A plus rating 646 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: with the Better Business Bureau and a five star rating 647 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: from an independent customer review site, and they have price 648 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: protection programs that can protect against market fluctuations for up 649 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: to a year. So don't wait until interest rates rise 650 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: until all of a sudden people recognize then it's gonna 651 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: be late. You'll be late in the game. Do it now, diversify, 652 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: protect yourself, invest in gold and silver, and do it 653 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: through Goldline. The only gold company I trust is Goldline. 654 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: Eight seven seven three to two coin that's eight seven 655 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 1: seven three to two two six four six. Be sure 656 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: to read gold Lines Important risk disclosures to see if 657 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: buying gold is right for you. Eight seven seven three 658 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 1: to two coin that's eight seven seven three to two 659 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,439 Speaker 1: two six four six, and we'll be right back. Buck 660 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: Sexton with America now where there is always something to 661 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: talk about, where you can trade opinion with Buck. I'm 662 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: not sure you'll win, though, Just call eight four four 663 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: nine hundred Buck. That's eight four four, nine hundred two 664 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: eight to five. All right, Buck, you're on Buck's accident. 665 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: Back with you all. Thank you so much for being here. 666 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,919 Speaker 1: Eight four four, nine hundred to eight to five, if 667 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: you would like to call in eight four four, nine 668 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: hundred to eight to five. So the media, of course, 669 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: when it comes to a president that like, one of 670 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: the places they like to go is around the world. 671 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: They like to have a global view of our presidency. 672 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: And that's a means of trying to convince all the 673 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: sophisticated people in this country that, oh, well, you can't 674 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: like you can't like this president, because look at what 675 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: people around the world say about him. And they run 676 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: these public opinion polls. And of course, most Republicans that 677 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: I know could care less what foreigners think of their president. 678 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 1: But this was a particularly interesting, interesting exercise. CNN decided 679 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 1: to run a piece where they interviewed North Korean's every 680 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: day North Koreans in North Korea in Pyongyang, the capital, 681 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,959 Speaker 1: and ask them what they think of our president. Let's 682 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 1: oh no, we I was going to play that audio 683 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: for you, but we don't have the audio. Do we 684 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,879 Speaker 1: have the audio? Yes, we do North Korea as North 685 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,800 Speaker 1: Korean citizens rather being asked about what they think about 686 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: President Trump. Please play um, so we do not have 687 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: Oh no, we have Matt, All right, let's do that. 688 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: Let's take Matt. I will play that audio later on. 689 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: We got Matt Schlap now he is chairman of the 690 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: American Conservative Union and c pack. It's gonna be more 691 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: fun than listening to North Korean on man on the 692 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: Street interviews. Anyway, Matt, thank you for calling in Buck. 693 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: I was wondering if you wanted me to start talking 694 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 1: as if I was that. Yeah, sorry, we were about 695 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: to go there for a second. I was just just 696 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: just teeing it up. We'll get back to it, though. 697 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: We'll get it for everybody, all right, Matt. So we 698 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: gotta take care of this one right away. The uh 699 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: I type seapack into Google. First thing that comes up 700 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: as a whole bunch of stories about Miley Annapolis. I 701 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: know everyone's asked you and so you're this is like 702 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: the story that you have to comment on, And I 703 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: don't like to be the guy that makes you comment 704 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: on the same thing everyone else is. But okay, what 705 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: was the purpose of the invite and what made you 706 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: change your mind? I think the major purpose was a 707 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: reaction to what has happened on too many college campuses 708 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: where debate gets stifled and shut down. And Milo and 709 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: others who are voices from the right have been shut 710 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: down and told to shut up. And it just happened 711 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: to Berkeley with Milo. And as soon as that happened, 712 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: I had a lot of people reach out to me 713 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: and say, you know, conservatives can handle a free and 714 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: open conversation even when offensive things are said, and uh, 715 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: and we should invite him. Then he actually came to 716 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: visit me and very respectfully asked to come to see Pack, 717 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: and we asked him some questions about his association, rumored 718 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 1: associations with the ault right and stuff which he said 719 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 1: he does not agree with. And uh, and we said, look, 720 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: we we might consider inviting you to talk very specifically 721 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: on the question of free speech on college campuses and 722 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: what it's like when your rights are infringed and uh 723 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: and in conjunction with that, we wanted to make sure 724 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: he sat down and answered, uh, you know, the tough questions. 725 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 1: He said some things that are very offensive and uh. 726 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: And we wanted to our our attendees to get the 727 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,760 Speaker 1: chance to hear his answers. And over the weekend, obviously 728 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,280 Speaker 1: some additional material came to light, came to my attention 729 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: that was a new material. Isn't that correct? I found 730 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 1: that out today. It was It's been around for a while. 731 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,479 Speaker 1: To me, it was, and I think to most people 732 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: it was Because to most people, they didn't realize this, 733 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: which is why this whole series of professional setbacks for 734 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: him occurred. Uh, you know, with his book and with 735 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: his job at Breitbar, because they all all, this is 736 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 1: new material and uh and we certainly were unaware of 737 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: it and uh. And we had a lot of people 738 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: that were advocating for him. Was he the keynote speaker, 739 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: Matt Is that accurate? I had read No. Never, You know, 740 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 1: It's one of these things that you can get an 741 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 1: urban legend. There was a Hollywood reporter who said that, No, 742 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: our keynote speaker has been Michael Reagan from the very beginning, 743 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: the son of President Reagan, who came to see Pack 744 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,879 Speaker 1: thirteen times. He's gonna speak Friday night, So we're really 745 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: excited about that keynote. Now, Milo is obviously not going, 746 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: and I know he had a press conference today and 747 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: he's gotten a lot of attention of exactly the kind 748 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: that somebody in his position does not want. And I 749 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,439 Speaker 1: don't want to pile on. I just wanted to give 750 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: you a chance to tell everybody listening now what what 751 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: the what the dust up was all about there? And 752 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: so we can move on then to some of the 753 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: other things that you'll be that will be happening at 754 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: Sea Pack starts tomorrow. Who are some of the exciting speakers? 755 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 1: Who's who? Who? Whose name will we see up on 756 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: the marquee at Sea Pack this year? I know we 757 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 1: got We've got Trump visiting, don't we We got President 758 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: Trump Friday morning, we have Vice President Pence. Thursday night, 759 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,439 Speaker 1: we have Michael Reagan. Friday night, we have Senator Tech 760 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: Cruz and Mark Levine in a conversation. I believe on 761 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: Thursday we have Ryan's previous and Steve Bannon appearing together. Uh, 762 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm and I've got the duty of of convening that conversation. 763 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: On Thursday, we have Sheriff Dave Clark, who's going to 764 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: close this out. On Saturday, we have a lot of 765 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: interesting panels, including a a series of speeches on what 766 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,399 Speaker 1: it means to be a conservative, how the ault right 767 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: is not right. We have conversations about three basic UH 768 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: policy areas, the family and culture, UH, national security, and 769 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: the economy. We believe each of those three legs of 770 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 1: the conservative school should be talked about equally. Now it's 771 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: a conservati political action conference, but this movement right now, 772 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: the Trump movement, as many have pointed out, Trump's pass 773 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: not orthodox conservatism to be sure, Um, what do what 774 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,320 Speaker 1: do you think that the base is going to be 775 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: discussing this year? What? What? What do you think will 776 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 1: get hashed out among the various what do you have 777 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,320 Speaker 1: ten thousand attendees? I'm assuming that there will be some 778 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: interesting exchanges between those who are more traditional conservatives and 779 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: the Trump movement, which is really a hybrid right of 780 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,359 Speaker 1: populism conservatism. Uh. I don't know. You can probably throw 781 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: some other things in there too, Yeah, I mean maybe 782 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: he's more commonly a populist conservative. I don't know. You know, 783 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,800 Speaker 1: this is the thing when you're an outsider and you 784 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: haven't been in public office. I think there's a lot 785 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 1: of people that are watching him to see the kind 786 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 1: of president he's going to be, and uh, you know, 787 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: so that's that's the hard part. Usually by the time 788 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 1: we elect someone to the presidency, they've had a long 789 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 1: political career, you know, when it's no surprise how they're 790 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,919 Speaker 1: going to act in office with this president, Um, it's 791 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,720 Speaker 1: uh every at people are are are kind of making judgments. 792 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 1: But I think you're right, this this this is you know, 793 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 1: I think this is a more practical seed pack. I 794 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 1: think where we're not talking about what we would do 795 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: if we got power, We're talking about what we've got 796 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,320 Speaker 1: to do now that we have the responsibility of government. 797 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 1: And so I think a lot of these panels are 798 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: going to be a lot more focused about specific legislation 799 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: that's going through the process and uh, and then what 800 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: the White House might do in regards to it. Can 801 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: people watch on live stream those who can't be there 802 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 1: physically in the DC area for this, but they want 803 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,399 Speaker 1: to get as much of a much of the sea 804 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: pack action as they can. Where should they go? Yeah, 805 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: they should go to Conservative dot org or seapack dot 806 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: org either one of those websites and get the information 807 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,759 Speaker 1: for how that's done. I mean, we're partnering with with 808 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:54,280 Speaker 1: Facebook and Twitter and other um uh and other social 809 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: media companies, and I'm sure there's gonna be a variety 810 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 1: of ways to watch it, and we encourage people to 811 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: watch it. And everybody can get down to the Gaylord 812 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,399 Speaker 1: National starting on Thursday, and please please make sure you're 813 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: watching on television. That should be on c SPAN as well. 814 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: Match lap is the chairman of the American Conservative Union 815 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: and see paxy Pack kicks off tomorrow. Everybody can check 816 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: it out if they can check it out online at 817 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,320 Speaker 1: a minimum, Matt really appreciate you calling in. Thank you 818 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:26,479 Speaker 1: for your time. Thanks Buck yep. So Milo no longer 819 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: going to sea Pack. Milo lost or resigned to be 820 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 1: to be as accurate as I can. You resign from Breitbart. 821 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,879 Speaker 1: I did not see his press conference at three o'clock today. 822 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: I had other business that I had to tend to. 823 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 1: And you just see that if you run up against 824 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,400 Speaker 1: the edge enough times, if you are a provocateur, if 825 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: you're somebody who specifically tries to and and benefits from 826 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,799 Speaker 1: in terms of career and exposure. You say the things 827 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: you think other people can't get away with saying. I 828 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 1: know that there is an appeal with that, but you 829 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,719 Speaker 1: also can take it too far. You can go to 830 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: a place where even those who want or who do 831 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,439 Speaker 1: support free and even offensive speech will say, well, that's 832 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 1: actually too much. There is such a thing as as 833 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:23,479 Speaker 1: too much. And I think Milo to his uh, well, 834 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: I'll leave it to you to decide how much of 835 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: a discrediting of him for each of each and every 836 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 1: one of you gets to make that decision on your own. 837 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: But clearly it has had negative impact at this phase 838 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,760 Speaker 1: of his career. And I again, I am not somebody 839 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: who ever, even with those on the left, whom I 840 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: find their ideas across the board pretty terrible and some 841 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: of them are really odious people. On top of that, 842 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: when you see this moment of crisis and someone else's 843 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: career who's trying to be a man or a woman 844 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 1: of ideas, who's trying to ent themselves put themselves out there. 845 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,279 Speaker 1: I try to give as much leeway and as much 846 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,799 Speaker 1: of a of a hands off position as I can 847 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: when I see that somebody's really in a in a 848 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 1: crisis and he is in a crisis that he had 849 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 1: brought about by saying the kind of things that you 850 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 1: really just can't say. Um. And he's now admitted that. 851 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 1: I hope that his supporters, as such as they are 852 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: out there, and there there's a lot of them who 853 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,399 Speaker 1: were I saw on social media really viciously attacking people 854 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: that were saying that what Milo said was not okay. 855 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: Well now Milo said, okay, I agree, it was not okay. 856 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: I misspoke, I used the wrong where I shouldn't have 857 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: said these things. I don't believe these things. He has 858 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,880 Speaker 1: repudiated his comments. So I would hope that his supporters 859 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,400 Speaker 1: who were trolling people that I know on social media 860 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 1: will stop trolling people and just say okay, he said, 861 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: he's sorry, and he will move on to the degree 862 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 1: that he can from here. Um. But this media, this 863 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 1: media game is is can be very powerful, foll and 864 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,440 Speaker 1: it can be intoxicating, and you can feel like your 865 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: work is incredibly worthwhile, But you always have to stay 866 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: grounded and stay humble. And I think when your brand 867 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:16,719 Speaker 1: becomes an a ostentatious lack of humility and and and 868 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: you think you have very few, if any boundaries, and 869 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 1: you can say anything you will run up against eventually, 870 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,240 Speaker 1: as we have seen here, will run up against problems. 871 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:26,920 Speaker 1: There was a part of me that wondered, at what 872 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,399 Speaker 1: point will Milo, who has much more leeway than others 873 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,960 Speaker 1: very interesting that he is a is a critic of 874 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,239 Speaker 1: identity politics, But I think, uh, the fact that he 875 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 1: will want has a British accent, which still to me, 876 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,319 Speaker 1: I don't understand why Americans think of British accent means. 877 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that Milo is not smart. I'm 878 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: not winning it at all, but people are so impressed 879 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 1: by British accents still. And yeah, there are plenty of 880 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: brilliant Brits out there, and for whatever reason, a fair 881 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,400 Speaker 1: amount of them happened to make their way into the 882 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: US media. But having a British accent does not equal 883 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,919 Speaker 1: I should listen to this person. But for many people 884 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,360 Speaker 1: that is a I know this is a bit of 885 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,200 Speaker 1: a diversion from the main topic and a hand here, 886 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 1: but for many people that is not how they see it, 887 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,880 Speaker 1: and I want to explain to them. Then okay, I 888 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,800 Speaker 1: could sit here too and have a British accent and 889 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,480 Speaker 1: do the whole you know, different versions of British accents too, 890 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,479 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that what I'm saying is any more valid 891 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,960 Speaker 1: or less valid. And I wish that there would be 892 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,160 Speaker 1: less of a with people automatically. It's just such a 893 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 1: it's such a lift to the intellectual content of whatever 894 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,879 Speaker 1: want is saying. And now I understand why so many 895 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,800 Speaker 1: of these celebrities have these kind of fake and pseudo 896 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,319 Speaker 1: British accents because they feel like it's good for their career. Um. 897 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 1: But anyway, back onto a little bit more serious matter. 898 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,720 Speaker 1: I I don't I don't like seeing anybody um burned 899 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,799 Speaker 1: down their own career. And what he said was really 900 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 1: dumb and bad, and I'm not I that's all you 901 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 1: can say. It's just really stupid, horrible stuff to say. 902 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,799 Speaker 1: I also feel bad whenever someone's burning down their own 903 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: career that way. So, UM, we'll see what happens with 904 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,760 Speaker 1: Mile going forward. Um, we'll see, and we have seapack 905 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,239 Speaker 1: check it out and Conservative dot Org. I think match 906 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 1: Lap said we're gonna hit a break. We'll be at back, 907 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,960 Speaker 1: all right. So I promised you all that we would 908 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,320 Speaker 1: play this audio for you of CNN interviewing North Koreans 909 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,760 Speaker 1: on what they think of Donald Trump because I'm hoping 910 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,840 Speaker 1: they did this with full awareness that they're in the 911 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:25,880 Speaker 1: most totalitarian society on Earth. I mean, this is this 912 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 1: is more. This is more totalitarian even than a meeting 913 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,279 Speaker 1: of Ivy League professors in their off time. I mean, 914 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,920 Speaker 1: this is like next level totalitarian. This is the real deal, 915 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,759 Speaker 1: the real thing. And they are not allowed to share 916 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,400 Speaker 1: their opinions. They are not allowed to really have opinions, 917 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,200 Speaker 1: and they've been thoroughly brainwashed. But you got to see 918 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,320 Speaker 1: Ann corps Bonner who wants to ask North Koreans what 919 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,880 Speaker 1: they think of Donald Trump. I suppose this is just 920 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,800 Speaker 1: to tell us more about North Korean's but I also 921 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 1: have to think that there's there's maybe some part of 922 00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,160 Speaker 1: this of this think or not this think piece, of 923 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,759 Speaker 1: this man on the street piece where they figured, here 924 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,120 Speaker 1: is yet another country where the people are not supportive 925 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,919 Speaker 1: of the new American president. Uh. And when we're talking 926 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,400 Speaker 1: to North Korea, that's really a an endorsement of the 927 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,879 Speaker 1: Trump presidency. I would think the less the average North 928 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,440 Speaker 1: Korean is is favorably disposed towards our president, probably the 929 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,359 Speaker 1: better he is in dealing with North Korea. Given all 930 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,400 Speaker 1: the propaganda that the North Korean people are subjected to 931 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 1: and everything else. But I want to play for you 932 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: this clup. I said I would, and here we are. 933 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,280 Speaker 1: Please play. We know President Trump by names, says this researcher. 934 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,520 Speaker 1: We also know a former President Obama. But we really 935 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,319 Speaker 1: don't care who's in power. We only care if they 936 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,360 Speaker 1: stopped their hostile policy towards my country. I think it 937 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,640 Speaker 1: would be a good idea for President Trump to meet 938 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: with my supreme leader, says this computer engineer. But he'd 939 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,200 Speaker 1: have to be willing to put an end to America's 940 00:51:53,440 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: hostile policy. It doesn't matter at all, says this housewife. Yeah, 941 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,520 Speaker 1: you're not going to get much of the way of 942 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:08,760 Speaker 1: insight about a Trump presidency by asking the most closed 943 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 1: society on earth, by asking people who are under active 944 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,400 Speaker 1: surveillance at the time of this interview with CNN, with 945 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,520 Speaker 1: what is clearly an American journalists mean, there's no such 946 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,279 Speaker 1: thing as visiting North Korea without being underactive surveillance the 947 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,560 Speaker 1: whole time. They're only allowed to see certain parts of 948 00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,920 Speaker 1: the country. There have been numerous documentaries. I know the 949 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,960 Speaker 1: very well known Vice documentary piece on travel to North 950 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,480 Speaker 1: Korea by the Harlem globetrotters. There have been others as well. 951 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: Fascinating national geographic documentary in fact on these doctors who 952 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,120 Speaker 1: traveled to North Korea in order to restore site for 953 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,279 Speaker 1: many North Koreans by doing cataract surgery, which, as I 954 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 1: understand it, I'm not an ophthalmologist or a surgeon in 955 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,160 Speaker 1: order do I play one on radio UM. But is 956 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,840 Speaker 1: is a pretty straightforward procedure for any well, any normal 957 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: Western trained doctor to do, or any trained doctor anywhere 958 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,480 Speaker 1: to do. UH. And so they go and they do 959 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 1: this just as a humanitarian gesture. They fix the eyesight 960 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,920 Speaker 1: of North Koreans and they go from being blind because 961 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,719 Speaker 1: of the cataracts to being able to see quite well. 962 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,680 Speaker 1: And the real moment in this documentary where it all 963 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,240 Speaker 1: comes together it all makes sense, is that these visiting 964 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,840 Speaker 1: doctors UM give these these people and it is is 965 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 1: unbelievable in the true sense of the world that there 966 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 1: could be a place like North Korea that exists UH. 967 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,719 Speaker 1: And it is a reminder to the rest of the 968 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,320 Speaker 1: world what what true absolutist statesm is like, and that 969 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,720 Speaker 1: it is possible that this is not just something theoretical, 970 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,920 Speaker 1: It's not just in Orwell's four there are there is 971 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,480 Speaker 1: a real life example, um, and there are other countries 972 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 1: that are giving us lesser versions of the same example. 973 00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,719 Speaker 1: I believe I saw piece or over this week that 974 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,920 Speaker 1: in Venezuela there's a widespread weight loss because of all 975 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,120 Speaker 1: of the the food shortages that are happening there, which 976 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,840 Speaker 1: is you know, terrible in and of itself. Food shortage, 977 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 1: of course, nothing new to North Korea either. But these 978 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 1: doctors that go they show up in North Korea. I 979 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,160 Speaker 1: think it was a national geographic special. I saw it 980 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,719 Speaker 1: on Netflix. These doctors go to North Korea. They restore 981 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:25,920 Speaker 1: sight to these uh, impoverished and terrified people living in 982 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:31,360 Speaker 1: this police state, who recognize that one wrong utterance, one misstep, 983 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,759 Speaker 1: or even the perception of a misstep, or just for 984 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,000 Speaker 1: whatever reason the government decides on a whim, you could 985 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:43,040 Speaker 1: be sent to a concentration camp, you could be executed, 986 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 1: any number of things. And but these people turned, They've 987 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,399 Speaker 1: been given their sight back in their first instant because 988 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,480 Speaker 1: they are so well trained and so terrorized really by 989 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,120 Speaker 1: the regime. Is they turn and they bow and cry 990 00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:00,160 Speaker 1: and thank The portrait of h Kim Jong il, who 991 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,239 Speaker 1: was the leader of the deer leader at the time. Now, 992 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 1: of course, Kim Jong un, who just had his brother, 993 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,040 Speaker 1: as we talked about on this show last week, had 994 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:11,480 Speaker 1: his brother assassinated in Malaysia. A couple of female assassins 995 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,960 Speaker 1: in the airport headlock chemical over the mouth, straight out 996 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,520 Speaker 1: of the pages of a spy novel a a an 997 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,960 Speaker 1: assassination meant also to send a message, not just to 998 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:27,680 Speaker 1: eliminate a possible rival to the seed of power in 999 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,320 Speaker 1: North Korea, but I think also to send a message. Anyway, 1000 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,239 Speaker 1: These North Koreans turn and they think, once they've got 1001 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,160 Speaker 1: their their eyesight restored, they turn and thank the portrait 1002 00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,359 Speaker 1: in the room because it is very it is truly 1003 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,319 Speaker 1: orwell and you do have big brother in this case, 1004 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:45,279 Speaker 1: big Kim Jong un watching you, uh, And so they 1005 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,480 Speaker 1: thank you. Anyway, North Korea. They're asking North Koreans about 1006 00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,920 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I hope they're doing this to show what 1007 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,120 Speaker 1: a horrifying prison camp North Korea is and not to 1008 00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,239 Speaker 1: pile on to how bad Trump is in some way. 1009 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,279 Speaker 1: But there's a part of me thinks maybe they're like, yeah, 1010 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,719 Speaker 1: even North Korea doesn't like Trump, and yeah, we've got 1011 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:12,600 Speaker 1: more stay with me. Buck is back everybody bucks back. 1012 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,800 Speaker 1: It's more of America. Now throw in your two cents 1013 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,239 Speaker 1: one eight four four nine hundred buck. That's one eight 1014 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:26,200 Speaker 1: four four d to eight to five. Alright, team Buck, 1015 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,279 Speaker 1: we're back, and we're joined by Marker Coreyan. He's the 1016 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,480 Speaker 1: executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies. He's a 1017 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,880 Speaker 1: naturally recognized expert in immigration issues, and he's quoted in 1018 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,400 Speaker 1: a New York Times piece to there. We're gonna talk 1019 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,799 Speaker 1: about that. Mark, Great to have you, glad to be here. First, 1020 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,040 Speaker 1: Let's start with UM, I just want to ask you 1021 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,000 Speaker 1: if you could and I may have actually this before, 1022 00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,239 Speaker 1: Mark on on one of your very uh kind appearances 1023 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,440 Speaker 1: on previous radio shows. Uh, the claim that immigrant and 1024 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,680 Speaker 1: this was in the New York Times piece that also 1025 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,839 Speaker 1: quotes you on on a separate matter, and I'll bring 1026 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,200 Speaker 1: that up in just a second, but the no shon 1027 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,560 Speaker 1: that the that that illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes than 1028 00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,640 Speaker 1: the native native born Americans? What is true and what 1029 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,399 Speaker 1: is not true about? Where do they get this? Well, 1030 00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,600 Speaker 1: there is research that shows that the problem is that 1031 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,640 Speaker 1: the quality of the data they're using is not very 1032 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 1: good and it's not clear. I'm not going to tell 1033 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:25,160 Speaker 1: you that that we know that UM immigrants commit more 1034 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,919 Speaker 1: crimes than the native born. We don't know that either. 1035 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,400 Speaker 1: The fact is that UM, the FBI, and various other 1036 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:37,680 Speaker 1: Oregon law enforcement organizations don't really want to know, and 1037 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,880 Speaker 1: so the quality of the data is very limited. I mean, 1038 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:45,120 Speaker 1: one study that Pew used, and Pew Research Center it's 1039 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,320 Speaker 1: a you know, pretty well respected outfit. I mean, they 1040 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,800 Speaker 1: obviously lean liberal, but they're not hacks. I mean the 1041 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,480 Speaker 1: work they do is real. They use census data for 1042 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,600 Speaker 1: some of this stuff about the number of people incarcerated. 1043 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,360 Speaker 1: The problem is that UM our research director looked into 1044 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 1: it a few years ago, and the information in the 1045 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,720 Speaker 1: census on what they call the institutionalized population in other words, 1046 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 1: people in prisons or other institutions like that, And in 1047 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,360 Speaker 1: prisons it's often filled out by like the war the 1048 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,160 Speaker 1: warden secretary. So who knows whether it's correct or not 1049 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,200 Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, It's My basic point 1050 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:29,840 Speaker 1: is you can't really say that immigrants commit less crime 1051 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,080 Speaker 1: than the native born, or that we know that they 1052 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,640 Speaker 1: commit more crime than the more. The data is all 1053 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,800 Speaker 1: over the place. Okay. And also, I just wanted to 1054 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,040 Speaker 1: note that the New York Times refers to, uh, your organization, 1055 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,680 Speaker 1: the Center for Immigration Studies, of which are the executive director, 1056 00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:51,240 Speaker 1: as a an institution that supports quote restricted immigration end quote. 1057 00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,680 Speaker 1: Uh who who does is there? Does it your Times 1058 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,600 Speaker 1: support unrestricted immigration? I'm just wondering, is that is that 1059 00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,280 Speaker 1: how it's set up? I thought restricted immigration would just 1060 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,720 Speaker 1: mean that, Yeah, of course, aren't there always restrictions on 1061 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,600 Speaker 1: our immigration policies? Or no? Apparently not. I mean the 1062 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:11,080 Speaker 1: logical conclusion would be that, um, they support letting anybody 1063 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,400 Speaker 1: wants to come in to come here. I mean it's uh. 1064 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,160 Speaker 1: And you know that's not just making it up, because 1065 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,440 Speaker 1: look what did Hillary say during the campaign. During one 1066 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,920 Speaker 1: of the primary debates, she went open borders. Mark No 1067 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,880 Speaker 1: one even believes me when I say this now her 1068 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,800 Speaker 1: and her and Bernie were arguing for who was more 1069 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,560 Speaker 1: pro open borders. Basically yeah, and I mean she was 1070 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,640 Speaker 1: pressed by Jorge Ramos, you know, the Univision commentator slash, 1071 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, supposed newsman, and he was pressed and she 1072 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,800 Speaker 1: repeated it, so it wasn't some slip of the tongue. 1073 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:44,160 Speaker 1: She said and basically said anyone in the world should 1074 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,880 Speaker 1: be allowed to come here and not be deported unless 1075 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:52,840 Speaker 1: they are convicted of a violent felony, not just charge, 1076 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:57,040 Speaker 1: not a nonviolent felony, but convicted of a violent felony. 1077 00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,280 Speaker 1: If they avoid that, they if they sneak a across 1078 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,360 Speaker 1: the border or overstay of visa after lying to our 1079 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:09,280 Speaker 1: visa officers, if they avoid being convicted of a violent felony, 1080 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,720 Speaker 1: they get to stay. To me, what that means is 1081 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,480 Speaker 1: unlimited immigration. Yeah, that's unrestricted immigrations. I just think it's interesting. 1082 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,840 Speaker 1: Of course the Times, I think this is probably no 1083 01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,200 Speaker 1: shock to you. Mark meant that, as you know, that's 1084 01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,360 Speaker 1: a that's a little slight meant to show people reading 1085 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,880 Speaker 1: in Times. Well, Mark is calling from an organization that 1086 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,479 Speaker 1: is not open borders. What a what a savage Mark 1087 01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,720 Speaker 1: is Yeah, but that's that's what they That's what they 1088 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,720 Speaker 1: mean with restricted immigration anyway. I know you know that. 1089 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,600 Speaker 1: But I just had to have a chuckle here. I'm like, 1090 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,520 Speaker 1: oh in New York Times, because I guess they are 1091 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,320 Speaker 1: in favor of understooting immigration. But I want to get 1092 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:45,360 Speaker 1: down to this cost of a border wall versus the 1093 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,600 Speaker 1: cost of illegal immigration. On c I S dot org, 1094 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,280 Speaker 1: which is your organization, you break this down, let's talk 1095 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,640 Speaker 1: about this. People are saying the border wall is expensive, 1096 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,160 Speaker 1: and other people point out, I mean, nine twenty billion 1097 01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,720 Speaker 1: dollars to the federal government, is it is really a 1098 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,680 Speaker 1: drop in the bucket, especially on an issue of any 1099 01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,280 Speaker 1: national importance. But what is the cost of the border 1100 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,080 Speaker 1: wall versus the costs of illegal imigration? How do you 1101 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,400 Speaker 1: break that down in your piece? Well, we use the 1102 01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,919 Speaker 1: estimates for the cost of the wall from what they're 1103 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,680 Speaker 1: talking about in the Senate twelve to fifty billion dollars. 1104 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,640 Speaker 1: So that's the starting point we used. And what we 1105 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,760 Speaker 1: did was look at National Academy of Sciences data on 1106 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,040 Speaker 1: the fiscal impact. In other words, the tax is paid 1107 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:33,400 Speaker 1: minus the government services used of illegal immigrants people by education, 1108 01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,200 Speaker 1: and we kind of, I mean, there's some you know, 1109 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,360 Speaker 1: we massage the numbers a little, but not in a 1110 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,560 Speaker 1: dishonest way, but just as a way to get to 1111 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:44,720 Speaker 1: the number. And our estimate was that the each illegal 1112 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,720 Speaker 1: border crosser, not every illegal alien, because other illegal aliens 1113 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,120 Speaker 1: come in on visas and overstay. They're usually better off 1114 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:57,280 Speaker 1: and more educated. But every illegal alien border crosser costs 1115 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:03,520 Speaker 1: a fiscal drain to taxpayers something like seventy dollars um 1116 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:09,720 Speaker 1: so that our estimate was that if the border fencing wall, 1117 01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:17,640 Speaker 1: whatever it is, stops just of the expected crossings over 1118 01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,120 Speaker 1: the next decade, the amount of money saved by keeping 1119 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,479 Speaker 1: those illegal immigrants out would totally pay for the wall. 1120 01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,200 Speaker 1: And this idea that the that illegals who are border crossers, 1121 01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,280 Speaker 1: as you point out, who crossed the border specifically, um, 1122 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,560 Speaker 1: that they are a net drain on the economy. I 1123 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,120 Speaker 1: assume that this is a very taxpairs. I'm sorry, it's taxpayers. 1124 01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,919 Speaker 1: I assume that this is a contentious point with some more. 1125 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,600 Speaker 1: Is the data pretty clear on this, well, I mean 1126 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,760 Speaker 1: this is are We're using estimates from the National Academy's Sciences. 1127 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,760 Speaker 1: This is not something we made up. And now there 1128 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:57,480 Speaker 1: are some um, you know, kind of loony libertarians who say, 1129 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:03,400 Speaker 1: no welfare completely pays for itself because importing low skilled 1130 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,040 Speaker 1: workers that we subsidize that literally cannot earn enough to 1131 01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,000 Speaker 1: feed their children and have to be paid for and 1132 01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:11,920 Speaker 1: their children have to be fed by you and me, 1133 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,520 Speaker 1: that they're actually a great economic boon and they create 1134 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,560 Speaker 1: all of these I mean, it's all kind of bologny, actually, 1135 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,920 Speaker 1: I mean I've heard libertarian say activity their open borders 1136 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,400 Speaker 1: to advocate some of them, not all of them, but 1137 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:25,920 Speaker 1: some of the ones that I've heard talking about this, 1138 01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,800 Speaker 1: and I've even debated if you them myself. They say, well, 1139 01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,160 Speaker 1: it increases GDP because there's more activity. Well that's not that. 1140 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,840 Speaker 1: That's not in and of itself a good thing. If 1141 01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,120 Speaker 1: it also means, as you point out here, that uh, 1142 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,440 Speaker 1: you've got a seventy five dollar deficit to the taxpayer 1143 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,960 Speaker 1: for each illegal border crosser, right, I mean, it's like 1144 01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,040 Speaker 1: losing money on each unit, but you're gonna make it 1145 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,840 Speaker 1: up in volume, you know what I mean. It's the 1146 01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,960 Speaker 1: old joke about that, and so so no, there's this 1147 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:54,680 Speaker 1: is clearly, um, illegal immigration costs money, and the often 1148 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:59,000 Speaker 1: the responses and even frankly, legal immigration probably cost more 1149 01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,560 Speaker 1: money because legal emigrants are poor. Legal immigrants are eligible 1150 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,840 Speaker 1: for more programs than poor illegal immigrants. But the often 1151 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,840 Speaker 1: the responses, well, you know that's fine, so let's just 1152 01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,920 Speaker 1: keep them from welfare. Let's build a wall around the 1153 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:17,000 Speaker 1: welfare state. Well, uh, does anybody think we're gonna let 1154 01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,960 Speaker 1: people die on the steps of the emergency room because 1155 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,480 Speaker 1: they can't pay? Of course not. And I mean we 1156 01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,640 Speaker 1: have federal law that says you can't do that. And 1157 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,120 Speaker 1: this is part of how Obamacare was sold to us. 1158 01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,360 Speaker 1: By the way I remember this, it was that you know, 1159 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,920 Speaker 1: illegals and and and people are already using the emergency 1160 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,800 Speaker 1: room for first line care, so we should get everybody healthcare. 1161 01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, that's a whole sepe of discussion, 1162 01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,760 Speaker 1: but overuse of emergency rooms, including by illegals, was part 1163 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,240 Speaker 1: of the push for Obamacare. And the problem is, you 1164 01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,200 Speaker 1: know that obviously didn't work out the way it was intended. 1165 01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,840 Speaker 1: The solution isn't some kind of socialist medicine. It isn't 1166 01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,800 Speaker 1: some kind of wall around the welfare state. It's not 1167 01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:01,760 Speaker 1: letting in poor people for I'm abroad into a modern 1168 01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,160 Speaker 1: welfare state like ours. You just don't. Once you let 1169 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,560 Speaker 1: them in, the game is over. Well, this is the 1170 01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,000 Speaker 1: next question I want to ask you, because I know 1171 01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:12,680 Speaker 1: that part of the policy uh directive of the guidance 1172 01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,680 Speaker 1: documents that were released by DHS earlier today how to 1173 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,760 Speaker 1: do with benefits fraud and how that will now be 1174 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,600 Speaker 1: that if you if you're getting benefits illegally, you could 1175 01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,320 Speaker 1: be on the list for deportations going forward under a 1176 01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:28,080 Speaker 1: Trump administration. Do we have any sense of the scale 1177 01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,160 Speaker 1: of benefit fraud when it comes to illegal aliens. Do 1178 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,040 Speaker 1: we track it? Do we know? The issue actually isn't 1179 01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:38,840 Speaker 1: benefit fraud, because what the law says is that if 1180 01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,880 Speaker 1: you're a public charge, which means if you're living off 1181 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,160 Speaker 1: the taxpayer, if you're potentially going to be a public charge, 1182 01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,240 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be let in. And if you 1183 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,440 Speaker 1: become a public charge, you're supposed to be removed unless 1184 01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:55,280 Speaker 1: your sponsor pays for the welfare that you used. The 1185 01:05:55,360 --> 01:06:01,439 Speaker 1: thing is that of immigrant headed households use at least 1186 01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,440 Speaker 1: one welfare program. So, I mean, this is an enormous 1187 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,000 Speaker 1: problem that we have allowed, and we're not going to 1188 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,600 Speaker 1: be deporting all those people just as a practical matter, 1189 01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,760 Speaker 1: but we need to stop letting people move here in 1190 01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,600 Speaker 1: the first place, who are going to who are likely 1191 01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,920 Speaker 1: to become dependent. And you're talking about legal immigrants there, 1192 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,919 Speaker 1: right and illegal put together? Legal legal put together? Okay? 1193 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,800 Speaker 1: Do we do we have specifics on uh illegals and 1194 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,640 Speaker 1: their access to two benefits programs that we do even 1195 01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:37,000 Speaker 1: know we have estimates about that that percentages actually um 1196 01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,160 Speaker 1: uh is I actually don't even have it in front 1197 01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:41,880 Speaker 1: of me, But I'm looking for it. But the point 1198 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:47,240 Speaker 1: is that illegal immigrants themselves are eligible only for a 1199 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,880 Speaker 1: limited number of welfare programs because they're because they're illegal, 1200 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,000 Speaker 1: So that there are some things like women, Infants and 1201 01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,600 Speaker 1: children nutrition program that illegal immigrants can benefit from, but 1202 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:03,120 Speaker 1: the real cost comes from the children of illegal immigrants, 1203 01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,840 Speaker 1: who are eligible as U. S. Citizens for all kinds 1204 01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,480 Speaker 1: of welfare. And if they become public charges, then they're 1205 01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,400 Speaker 1: I mean, they're in not supposed they're not supposed to 1206 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,720 Speaker 1: be public charges based on existing immigration law, even if 1207 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:20,040 Speaker 1: they are here legally under birthright citizenship. Yeah. Well, I mean, well, 1208 01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,000 Speaker 1: the thing is, if you're a U. S. Citizen, if 1209 01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,479 Speaker 1: you're a US born citizens, then those public charge rules 1210 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,840 Speaker 1: don't apply to you. They yeah, yeah, they apply only 1211 01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,320 Speaker 1: to non citizens. But the fact is, you know, the 1212 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,240 Speaker 1: way we've gotten around that, it's not just the government 1213 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,040 Speaker 1: said we're not going to pay any attention to it. 1214 01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:42,760 Speaker 1: They redefined what welfare means to only mean an actual 1215 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:48,160 Speaker 1: cash envelope of cash or a check, so that food 1216 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,560 Speaker 1: stamps do not count as welfare. Medicaid, which is the 1217 01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,680 Speaker 1: biggest welfare program, just doesn't count as welfare. A FDC 1218 01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,360 Speaker 1: even which is cash doesn't count as welfare. The only 1219 01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:04,160 Speaker 1: thing is um tannis what they call temporary assistance for 1220 01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,120 Speaker 1: needy families right, used to be a f d C. 1221 01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,000 Speaker 1: I said, I met E I c C when I 1222 01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:12,000 Speaker 1: said this before. Temporary assistant for needy families and cash 1223 01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,720 Speaker 1: money at the state level are the only things they 1224 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,240 Speaker 1: count as welfare. And if you're not collecting those, but 1225 01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,600 Speaker 1: living in public housing, on Medicaid, using food stamps, that 1226 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,040 Speaker 1: your children are being fed by the government, all of 1227 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:28,080 Speaker 1: those things, your self sufficient, supposedly according to our Alice 1228 01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,040 Speaker 1: in Wonderland definitions. One more question for you, Mark, before 1229 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:32,479 Speaker 1: we got to get into a break here, and that 1230 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,280 Speaker 1: is the New York Times headline right now Trump details 1231 01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:39,320 Speaker 1: plans to deport millions of immigrants. Is he planning to 1232 01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,240 Speaker 1: deport millions of immigrants? You think that's what he's preparing for? No, No, 1233 01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,720 Speaker 1: that's nonsense. Uh. The memos that they released today are 1234 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:51,400 Speaker 1: basically implementing the Executive Orders on Border Enforcement and Immigration enforcement. 1235 01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:56,640 Speaker 1: And the basic point of those memos is that no 1236 01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:01,960 Speaker 1: illegal immigrant is is now e empt from immigration law 1237 01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:06,080 Speaker 1: because under Obama, most illegal immigrants were basically told you 1238 01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,200 Speaker 1: have zero chance of being deported. Don't sweat it. This 1239 01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,280 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're all gonna be deported. It means they 1240 01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:16,280 Speaker 1: all are potentially deportable if they come to the attention 1241 01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:20,200 Speaker 1: of the authorities. Alright. Mark re Coorean is executive director 1242 01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,240 Speaker 1: of the Center for Immigration Studies. Check out his latest 1243 01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,680 Speaker 1: at c i S dot org. Mark, thank you so 1244 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,880 Speaker 1: much for your time. Talk to you soon. Thank you. Buck. 1245 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:32,000 Speaker 1: Team phone lines are open eight four four nine zero 1246 01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,720 Speaker 1: zero to eight to five. Light them up here in 1247 01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,040 Speaker 1: the Freedom Hunt and we'll be back right after this break. 1248 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,240 Speaker 1: I mentioned before that you're seeing now these pieces ones 1249 01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,240 Speaker 1: on The Nation. I think I said it was The Nation, 1250 01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:50,439 Speaker 1: which is a far left, far left website magazine, a 1251 01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:56,000 Speaker 1: magazine with with like hundreds of subscribers. From what I understand, uh, 1252 01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,960 Speaker 1: at least hundreds. Is is Miley unopolis all that day 1253 01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,840 Speaker 1: from Trump. That's the main piece there. And then you 1254 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,799 Speaker 1: also have not to be outdone the New York Times. 1255 01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,639 Speaker 1: Milo is the mini Donald. So now that you've had 1256 01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:16,720 Speaker 1: this uh young media figure who has just for for 1257 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,840 Speaker 1: right now blown up his career, um, of course there's 1258 01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,439 Speaker 1: all these people that are trying to score the additional 1259 01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:25,840 Speaker 1: political points of tying him to the president, and and 1260 01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:32,960 Speaker 1: not just tangent tangential tan gentily sorry, um, but directly 1261 01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:34,840 Speaker 1: to say that he is the mini Donald. This is 1262 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,600 Speaker 1: the opinion page of the New York Times. There you go, 1263 01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,559 Speaker 1: So no surprise. They're trying to score more political points 1264 01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:45,200 Speaker 1: with this. Not not enough that Milo is, at least 1265 01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,560 Speaker 1: for now. It seems maybe he'll make a comeback or 1266 01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, but he's certainly paying a price for 1267 01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,320 Speaker 1: indefensible comments. There is such a thing, even for a 1268 01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,560 Speaker 1: person who tests the boundaries or free speech, there is 1269 01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,960 Speaker 1: such a thing as indefensible comments. I mean, I could 1270 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,720 Speaker 1: sit here and go through any number of them and 1271 01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,000 Speaker 1: in concept with you, but I don't think I need to. 1272 01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,519 Speaker 1: I think you can figure out for yourself what those 1273 01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,240 Speaker 1: lines are. I know you can. And those lines were 1274 01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:13,439 Speaker 1: acrossed here. So not good. Um, he's and he's paying. Look, 1275 01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,439 Speaker 1: he's paying the price for it. He's paying the price 1276 01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,160 Speaker 1: for speech. What he said wasn't illegal, but it wasn't good. 1277 01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,720 Speaker 1: It wasn't was highly unwise, is a kind way of 1278 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,880 Speaker 1: putting it. Um, And I have to go to a call. Now. 1279 01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:30,639 Speaker 1: We've got Emma in Pennsylvania on w R A K. Emma, 1280 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,680 Speaker 1: welcome to the buck Sexton Show. What I want to 1281 01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,960 Speaker 1: see is all the easy illegally americants to buy the 1282 01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:43,559 Speaker 1: million invalid. Our country and our government are forcing our 1283 01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:49,840 Speaker 1: work in American citizen taxpayers to support them. This is 1284 01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:54,759 Speaker 1: not right. We can't afford to they get medical treatment 1285 01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,280 Speaker 1: that we can't even afford for ourselves, and we have 1286 01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,960 Speaker 1: to pay for it. Let's not forget if the merry 1287 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,920 Speaker 1: can work in tax beers that are forced to pick 1288 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:07,320 Speaker 1: up the bills, we simply can't afford it. No, it's 1289 01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,439 Speaker 1: it's theft. It's theft by government. It's this that your 1290 01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,760 Speaker 1: tax dollars are going towards people that are not even 1291 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,439 Speaker 1: supposed to be in the country in the first place 1292 01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:19,560 Speaker 1: is wrong. And we have enough me the people of 1293 01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:23,000 Speaker 1: our own here to take care of. We ought to 1294 01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:26,839 Speaker 1: be spending the money and our American citizens who earned 1295 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:32,000 Speaker 1: the money, and not spending it on illegal immigration. And 1296 01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:37,240 Speaker 1: another thing is we don't owe foreigners a better life. 1297 01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:41,680 Speaker 1: We owe to our American citizens here. And it's not 1298 01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:46,120 Speaker 1: given our citizens better life bat taxing them to put 1299 01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,680 Speaker 1: the bills ree legal immigrants who have no right to 1300 01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,800 Speaker 1: be here in the first place. And we have no 1301 01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:57,880 Speaker 1: obligation to take an even legal immigrants. We can refute 1302 01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:02,880 Speaker 1: were sovereignation. What we're fighting for here is our sovereignty. 1303 01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:08,599 Speaker 1: If other nations want to commit nationals suicide, that's their business. 1304 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,840 Speaker 1: That's not who we are. We are sovereign nation. We 1305 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:15,960 Speaker 1: United States of America. We define who should come in here. 1306 01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,439 Speaker 1: We define what our immigration laws are to be. Not 1307 01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,559 Speaker 1: a country as a right to tell us what our 1308 01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:25,360 Speaker 1: immigration laws should be. That's presumptions on their part. And 1309 01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:29,519 Speaker 1: another thing, we aren't breaking up anybody's famody. They broke 1310 01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,680 Speaker 1: up those legal immigrants broke up their own family by 1311 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,240 Speaker 1: coming into our country legally. And when we report them, 1312 01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,960 Speaker 1: they are free to take their family with them eloquently 1313 01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,679 Speaker 1: and well and well stated. Emma, thank you for calling 1314 01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,360 Speaker 1: in from Pennsylvania, w R A K. I appreciate it 1315 01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,439 Speaker 1: very much. Um. Yeah, this is at the heart of 1316 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,519 Speaker 1: the Trump movement. Everyone. This notion, this radical notion, just 1317 01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,160 Speaker 1: like the radical immigration enforcement notions, the Trump administration is 1318 01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,640 Speaker 1: forarding like we're going to obey the law. 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Ammy, 1355 01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,439 Speaker 1: thanks for joining. It's always a pleasure man. Good talk 1356 01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:03,160 Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, good to talk to you. So let's 1357 01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,800 Speaker 1: just for the purposes of of setting all this up 1358 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,840 Speaker 1: in the right context. So Trump was at Israelian Melbourne 1359 01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,360 Speaker 1: on Saturday and he mentioned something about Sweden. Here's what 1360 01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,599 Speaker 1: he had to say. You look at what's happening in Germany. 1361 01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:21,000 Speaker 1: You look at what's happening last night in Sweden, Sweden, 1362 01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:26,360 Speaker 1: who would believe this? Sweden they took in large numbers 1363 01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:30,160 Speaker 1: to having problems like they never thought possible. You look 1364 01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:33,960 Speaker 1: at what's happening in Brussels, You look at what's happening 1365 01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,920 Speaker 1: all over the world. Take a look at Nice, take 1366 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,880 Speaker 1: a look at Paris. Okay, So the president there was 1367 01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,639 Speaker 1: focusing for a moment on Sweden, and reference to segment 1368 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,840 Speaker 1: on Fox or was referencing came out later a segment 1369 01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,680 Speaker 1: on Fox News that featured your documentary. Now, before we 1370 01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,880 Speaker 1: get into what your documentary uh depicts and what you 1371 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,040 Speaker 1: learn from your travels to Sweden, to look at this issue, 1372 01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,360 Speaker 1: worth noting that there's a lot of mockery in the 1373 01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,120 Speaker 1: press saying there's no Swedish term first attack last night 1374 01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,839 Speaker 1: and this is nonsense, And there was even a CNN 1375 01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,639 Speaker 1: Politics piece about how the Swedes were all making fun 1376 01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:08,760 Speaker 1: of how dumb Trump is on this more or less. 1377 01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,000 Speaker 1: And then last night there was a riot in a 1378 01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:14,679 Speaker 1: suburb of Stockholm, in an immigrant dominated suburb, car set 1379 01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:18,120 Speaker 1: on fire, rocks thrown at police. You know, uh, mayhem 1380 01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,600 Speaker 1: on the streets, something Sweden is not used to. And 1381 01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,800 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, people are taking this more seriously. 1382 01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:24,720 Speaker 1: You were over there, you dealt with some of this 1383 01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:29,080 Speaker 1: in your documentary What is Stockholm syndrome as it pertains 1384 01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:33,640 Speaker 1: to the immigrant problem in Sweden? Listen the origin of 1385 01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,679 Speaker 1: the name and the reason why we chose it. Yeah, 1386 01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,679 Speaker 1: it's cute, but it's very descriptive about what is going 1387 01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:44,400 Speaker 1: on in Sweden today that despite all the obvious reality, 1388 01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:48,839 Speaker 1: this is the clear statistical evidence, the clear anecdotal evidence. 1389 01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,479 Speaker 1: I mean, look at the look at the riot just 1390 01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:52,800 Speaker 1: happening yesterday, and you could it couldn't have come in 1391 01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,680 Speaker 1: a better time. You know. Obviously I'm not gonna using 1392 01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,000 Speaker 1: that word, right, you're not pro riot, but you're saying, 1393 01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,679 Speaker 1: for the purposes of this conversation, it's it's worth discussing. Yeah, 1394 01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:08,000 Speaker 1: but the Swedes are literally denying reality there there to 1395 01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,519 Speaker 1: the point of pathology, I think. And at the end 1396 01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,639 Speaker 1: of that, of that, of that maybe the most telling 1397 01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,519 Speaker 1: part of that entire my entire video Stockholm Syndrome. So 1398 01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,680 Speaker 1: at the end I go around and ask Swedes, hey, 1399 01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:20,920 Speaker 1: do you think there's a Islamic immigration problem in this 1400 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,640 Speaker 1: country and lead to violence? And not a single can 1401 01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,840 Speaker 1: I can't stress this enough, not a single person said, 1402 01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,320 Speaker 1: we might have a problem, not even we do a problem, 1403 01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,040 Speaker 1: not we might have a problem we should look into. 1404 01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:38,320 Speaker 1: It was absolute denial. Again, I think a pathological denial, 1405 01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,479 Speaker 1: and and and somethermore. If you even insinuate that there 1406 01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,880 Speaker 1: may be a connection, then what are you buck? You're 1407 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:49,280 Speaker 1: a racist, You're a xenophoea. I wanted to play a 1408 01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:53,120 Speaker 1: clip from your documentary short here where you interview a 1409 01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,519 Speaker 1: Swedish journalist who is studying the issue. Let's play that, please. 1410 01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,840 Speaker 1: What we have is first of all a very a 1411 01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:03,720 Speaker 1: a Swedish culture. Then we bring in less like last year, 1412 01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,640 Speaker 1: a hundred and ninety thousand people that come from a 1413 01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:10,800 Speaker 1: very different culture, a culture that isn't liberal, that has 1414 01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:15,320 Speaker 1: radically different views on women, on sexuality, on gender, on 1415 01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,760 Speaker 1: all these things. There's an explosion. In order to come 1416 01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:22,360 Speaker 1: here into prosper you have to adapt to that culture. 1417 01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,479 Speaker 1: And that what we're doing in Europe is the complete opposite. 1418 01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,559 Speaker 1: They are saying, how can we adapt to you? How 1419 01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:34,160 Speaker 1: can we adapt to you? The assimilation process in Sweden 1420 01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,000 Speaker 1: seems to be it seems to be hitting some bumps 1421 01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:40,719 Speaker 1: along the way. Yeah, there's no question about this. Despite 1422 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,479 Speaker 1: this is an importance in the stress. Obviously, despite the 1423 01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,320 Speaker 1: fact that Swedes are going out of their way to 1424 01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:48,600 Speaker 1: integrate them in terms of what they're well, let me 1425 01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,400 Speaker 1: take it back, out of their way to help them, right, 1426 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,960 Speaker 1: They have the most generous benefits program among the most 1427 01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,400 Speaker 1: generous benefits programs in Europe, where they get housing, they 1428 01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,240 Speaker 1: get food, they get school, they get closed, they get 1429 01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,200 Speaker 1: cash every month, right, and they put them in and 1430 01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,599 Speaker 1: by the way, their neighborhoods, you know, like people say, 1431 01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:12,200 Speaker 1: oh violences, it stems from poverty and so forth. Go 1432 01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,559 Speaker 1: to these neighborhoods, these no go zones, that's the thing 1433 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,439 Speaker 1: we should discuss as well. Go to these islonic enclaves 1434 01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:21,280 Speaker 1: what's called for now and you find beautiful, leafy neighborhoods, 1435 01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:25,439 Speaker 1: wide boulevards, beautiful apartment blocks, and that's the way they're living. 1436 01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,760 Speaker 1: Even with that, Even with that, the problems that that 1437 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:34,360 Speaker 1: that the integration is causing Swedes is off the charts. Yeah, 1438 01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,080 Speaker 1: this notion of no go zones, and it's got a 1439 01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,160 Speaker 1: lot of attention in the context of a debate over 1440 01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,720 Speaker 1: this in the UK. I think it was maybe last 1441 01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,600 Speaker 1: year people were bringing up no go zones and they 1442 01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:46,760 Speaker 1: bring up in France and in the UK, and people say, oh, well, 1443 01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:48,519 Speaker 1: there's no such thing as the no goes on. First 1444 01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,040 Speaker 1: of all, whenever you ask authorities in any European country, 1445 01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,200 Speaker 1: is there are no go zone? The answers they're gonna 1446 01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,360 Speaker 1: give you is, of course not, because that makes them 1447 01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,720 Speaker 1: look like a bunch of incompetent buffoons right right right 1448 01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,800 Speaker 1: off the bat right. I mean, there are places where 1449 01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:02,560 Speaker 1: the police literally will not go at all. They're not 1450 01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,040 Speaker 1: going to admit that publicly. But if a no go 1451 01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,920 Speaker 1: zone means that people like you, or like me, or 1452 01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,040 Speaker 1: Swedes who are not part of the immigrant community can't 1453 01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,640 Speaker 1: walk through there without being in very credible fear of 1454 01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,720 Speaker 1: their safety. If it means that police are worried that 1455 01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:19,640 Speaker 1: if they have to make an arrest there could be 1456 01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:23,600 Speaker 1: a riot has just happened last night in Sweden, what 1457 01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,200 Speaker 1: are we supposed to call that? If it's not a 1458 01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,240 Speaker 1: no go zone, what is it a probably not a 1459 01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,280 Speaker 1: good idea to go zone. I mean that's kind of 1460 01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:34,160 Speaker 1: a no go zone. I mean no Listen, if you 1461 01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:37,000 Speaker 1: watch the video the police I interview, they use the 1462 01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:40,400 Speaker 1: word no go zones. Those are their words. It is 1463 01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:44,000 Speaker 1: them telling me that there is a national police policy, 1464 01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:47,800 Speaker 1: not a personal policy, a national police policy that they 1465 01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,120 Speaker 1: do not enter no go zones, even if they're in 1466 01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:54,479 Speaker 1: hot pursuit. When they cost that threshold, they do not enter. Okay. 1467 01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, no go zones not exactly a stigment of 1468 01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:01,120 Speaker 1: the conservative imagination, unless maybe the stigment of the Swedish 1469 01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:05,840 Speaker 1: uh national police imagination. But listen, I went there, so 1470 01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,880 Speaker 1: I hear no go zones, I go, and unfortunately I 1471 01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,720 Speaker 1: found out how corporal and tangible these no go zones are. 1472 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:16,240 Speaker 1: Because five guys, we have the audio and we want 1473 01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,000 Speaker 1: you to tell us what happened here. That there are 1474 01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,840 Speaker 1: some harsh language, but it's all bleeped right. We've got 1475 01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,599 Speaker 1: it bleeped out right, I hope, yes, we believe it's 1476 01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,320 Speaker 1: all bleeped out in your documentary. And that's where we 1477 01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,000 Speaker 1: uploaded the clip from here. So this is when Amy 1478 01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,000 Speaker 1: was in one of these no go Were you in 1479 01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,840 Speaker 1: Stockholm or in the suburbs of Stockholm? Where were you 1480 01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:37,360 Speaker 1: some of the Stockholm Who's who's be Okay, So he's 1481 01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,080 Speaker 1: in Hoosby's walking around broad Daylight camera crew and this 1482 01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,280 Speaker 1: is what happens to our friend Army play how come 1483 01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:46,240 Speaker 1: it's a problem to film here. I want to know why, 1484 01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:55,439 Speaker 1: what's the what's the why? Why? Why anything? Look, look, 1485 01:22:55,479 --> 01:23:02,320 Speaker 1: show me, show me what. Let let's go awesome. Let's 1486 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:13,679 Speaker 1: going up, all right? So we get so, there's a scuffle, 1487 01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,679 Speaker 1: we're bleeping it out there, things get ugly. What happened 1488 01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,200 Speaker 1: to me? Yeah? Thanks thanks for having me recount. I 1489 01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:22,000 Speaker 1: thought I had pushed this out of my mind at 1490 01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,479 Speaker 1: this point, but thanks for having me recount it all 1491 01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,640 Speaker 1: over again. After my, my, my, my psychologis are going 1492 01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,599 Speaker 1: we're going up again. Uh. What happened was pretty simple 1493 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,679 Speaker 1: is that we went to this who's the area? They said, 1494 01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,240 Speaker 1: you guys better get the hell out of here. It 1495 01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:38,040 Speaker 1: didn't give us a chance to explain why we were there. Uh, 1496 01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:42,479 Speaker 1: And they just attacked me. They grabbed me, they were 1497 01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,160 Speaker 1: kicking me, they were punching me, they're choking me. It was. 1498 01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:48,599 Speaker 1: It was pretty bad. And at some point they dragged 1499 01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,800 Speaker 1: me into a building vestibule and I thought, this is 1500 01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,720 Speaker 1: where they're gonna finish me off. And you know, by 1501 01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:58,120 Speaker 1: the grace of God, somebody in the in the apartment 1502 01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,400 Speaker 1: right next to the vestibule opened a door. It's scoupin 1503 01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,080 Speaker 1: they took off, and that's why I think I'm here today. 1504 01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:05,680 Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean this is and you were it was, 1505 01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,160 Speaker 1: this was broad daylight. You're there with a with people 1506 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,559 Speaker 1: watching the first party attack when when in the square 1507 01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:16,040 Speaker 1: before the exact of the building much Now, what what 1508 01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:19,000 Speaker 1: gets really contentious here? I know because I see the 1509 01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:20,880 Speaker 1: back and forth already. And by the way, there was 1510 01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,200 Speaker 1: so much sneering at Trump for bringing up at Sweden 1511 01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,840 Speaker 1: has problems. I know from my work in law enforce 1512 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:29,120 Speaker 1: and counter terrorsm with the NYPD years ago. Sweden's got 1513 01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,200 Speaker 1: all kind of Sweden. Maybe they don't like to talk 1514 01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,400 Speaker 1: about it because the government has created this problem and 1515 01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,280 Speaker 1: they're not gonna want to tell the people who live 1516 01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,439 Speaker 1: under their you know, who live under this government in 1517 01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:43,320 Speaker 1: Sweden that this whole uh multiculturalist obsession that they have 1518 01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,639 Speaker 1: is backfiring, is causing problems, is endangering there is endangering 1519 01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,080 Speaker 1: people in Swedish society. But I've known for a long 1520 01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,120 Speaker 1: time counter terrors and problems are very real there that 1521 01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,840 Speaker 1: didn't exist before. Crime problems are real, whether they'll admitted 1522 01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,960 Speaker 1: or not. But on the on the issue of statistics, 1523 01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:01,120 Speaker 1: this is where we get into this discussion, and there 1524 01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:05,719 Speaker 1: seems to be this desire among the among both the Swedes. 1525 01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,680 Speaker 1: This is also true in some other European countries. Um 1526 01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,280 Speaker 1: it's through in Germany and the context of the mass 1527 01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:14,920 Speaker 1: sexual assaults that have occurred there in recent years, that 1528 01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,240 Speaker 1: they don't want the numbers to be public. They don't 1529 01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:22,080 Speaker 1: want to even collect the data on how often immigrants 1530 01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,360 Speaker 1: to these countries are and they're immigrants, predominantly immigrants from 1531 01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,880 Speaker 1: the Muslim world, how often they are causing crimes, violent 1532 01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:31,000 Speaker 1: crimes including rape and sexual assault. They don't want to 1533 01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,200 Speaker 1: even know. They don't want to talk about it. No, 1534 01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,840 Speaker 1: they don't, And and that really is the cux the 1535 01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,479 Speaker 1: problem here, because again it's denial of reality. You know, 1536 01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,160 Speaker 1: it's funny. In two two thousands and one was the 1537 01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:45,000 Speaker 1: last year that BRA, which the official keeper of crime 1538 01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:49,240 Speaker 1: statistics in Europe, kept the demographics of backgrounds of the 1539 01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,880 Speaker 1: perpetrators of crime. But the problem was the number of 1540 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,839 Speaker 1: so high or something, and they decide that's too embarrassing. 1541 01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna get we're gonna exercise this particular part of 1542 01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:02,080 Speaker 1: statistics out of the historical record. And that's exactly what happens. 1543 01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:05,280 Speaker 1: You can no longer determine based on their status. You 1544 01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,360 Speaker 1: could there's other core of evidence you can point to, 1545 01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:12,120 Speaker 1: but there's no statistical evidence from the government of Sweden 1546 01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:16,240 Speaker 1: to points of demographics. And that's because they realized listen again, 1547 01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to the left, it's about it's not 1548 01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,679 Speaker 1: about reality, it's about their narrative. And then if there's 1549 01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,960 Speaker 1: any piece of evidence, and I saw this firsthand with 1550 01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:29,040 Speaker 1: the attacks, attacks that I have to face from New 1551 01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:33,639 Speaker 1: York Times, the Washington Post, the CNN and for for etcetera, etcetera. 1552 01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,559 Speaker 1: If you're if there's any kind of evidence that goes 1553 01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:41,000 Speaker 1: against their version of reality, their narrative, they will strike 1554 01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:42,680 Speaker 1: and they will strike hard. And they went out and 1555 01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,440 Speaker 1: they went after you. Right, They've tried to undermine your credibility. 1556 01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,479 Speaker 1: I've been seeing this getting making the rounds on social media. 1557 01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,280 Speaker 1: You went there, you talk to people, you did a 1558 01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,960 Speaker 1: documentary short on the issue. But somehow you you know, 1559 01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:56,000 Speaker 1: your army, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Our 1560 01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:59,679 Speaker 1: armies not telling the truth. What's their claim? It's amazing. 1561 01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,040 Speaker 1: So what the basis for all their claims are the 1562 01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,600 Speaker 1: two policemen who, by the way, I still have a 1563 01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:08,040 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of respect for I think they do a 1564 01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,519 Speaker 1: service their community. These are brave men. What happened was 1565 01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:13,519 Speaker 1: they came up and said they were the middle of 1566 01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,560 Speaker 1: an s storm, right, I mean the massive, massive mailstorm. 1567 01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,479 Speaker 1: This this this, this story, this video, this this this 1568 01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:21,439 Speaker 1: tough story as they were taken Swede and they were 1569 01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:23,240 Speaker 1: caught up in the middle of it, and the pressure 1570 01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:26,040 Speaker 1: on them must have been intense. And they looked at 1571 01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:29,320 Speaker 1: a guy by the way, another police officer who recently 1572 01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,000 Speaker 1: went through his daily blog on who he's arrested and 1573 01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,800 Speaker 1: said a majority of people I arrested on Muslim and 1574 01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,240 Speaker 1: he was brought up in charges in Sweden, brought up 1575 01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,880 Speaker 1: in charges. So these guys looked at that, They looked 1576 01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,280 Speaker 1: at this at the storm and said, we better disassociate 1577 01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:47,040 Speaker 1: ourselves from this video. They we they didn't, We can't. 1578 01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:48,880 Speaker 1: What they said they said, I took them out of 1579 01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:53,360 Speaker 1: context that I was talking about violence and not immigration. 1580 01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:56,439 Speaker 1: The argument made no sense. And if you actually listen 1581 01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:58,599 Speaker 1: to what they read, what they said and then watch 1582 01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:00,639 Speaker 1: the video, you see that at home is no water. 1583 01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:02,920 Speaker 1: But I get it. They wanted to back. They want 1584 01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,280 Speaker 1: they don't want their neighbors looking at them like they're 1585 01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,800 Speaker 1: the evil racist that don't want the wonderful immigrants to 1586 01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:11,240 Speaker 1: come in and and flourish in Swedish society. I get it. 1587 01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,360 Speaker 1: I understand why they backtrack. I'm not saying it's right, 1588 01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:15,200 Speaker 1: but I understand why they would. And I have no 1589 01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:19,679 Speaker 1: problem with major media acknowledging or mention that it happened. 1590 01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,799 Speaker 1: But the problem is this that I gave me example 1591 01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:23,880 Speaker 1: of the New York Times, they talked about the fact 1592 01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,160 Speaker 1: that they wanted to back away from the story and 1593 01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:29,360 Speaker 1: then said, we reached out to Ammi Horowitz but didn't 1594 01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:32,559 Speaker 1: receive a comment. Well, guess what, they didn't reach out 1595 01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,479 Speaker 1: to me. They never even tried to attempt to reach me. Yeah, 1596 01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:37,400 Speaker 1: I found I found you in about five minutes today. 1597 01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:39,040 Speaker 1: I mean, and I know we go back a number 1598 01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,320 Speaker 1: of years, but you know, you're you're not exactly in hiding. No, 1599 01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:44,800 Speaker 1: it's not. I'm I'm I'm out there, man, I'm out there. 1600 01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:48,120 Speaker 1: And they never bothered. They didn't bother reach out and 1601 01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,880 Speaker 1: to get my side of the story. So that's again, 1602 01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:53,400 Speaker 1: it points to the problem that we have in the 1603 01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:55,320 Speaker 1: media that they're not and this is you know, this 1604 01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:57,840 Speaker 1: goes back I gotta be honest to what Trump said 1605 01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:00,519 Speaker 1: about they're almost an opposition party. I I kind of 1606 01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:02,720 Speaker 1: see it now. Yeah, well I've seen it for quite 1607 01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:04,840 Speaker 1: a while. So we'll welcome to the party. On Welcome 1608 01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,200 Speaker 1: to the party, and that one on me? Amy. Where 1609 01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:09,160 Speaker 1: can people watch your movie? They can go to uh 1610 01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,600 Speaker 1: Army horse dot com. They can go to YouTube and 1611 01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:15,080 Speaker 1: put in Stockholm Syndrome. They can see you on Facebook. 1612 01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,840 Speaker 1: It's out there, man. All right, Ammy Harrowitz filmmaker, thank 1613 01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,800 Speaker 1: you very much for calling in. We appreciate talking to 1614 01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,320 Speaker 1: my friend. We'll talk to you again soon. Alright, Team 1615 01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:27,880 Speaker 1: Buck much more coming, stay with me. It's a quick 1616 01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,400 Speaker 1: note for I'll be listening. Stockholm Syndrome is the name 1617 01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:34,800 Speaker 1: of Ammy Horrowitz is documentary short which it's about ten 1618 01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,599 Speaker 1: or twelve minutes long. I watched it earlier today. Um, 1619 01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,679 Speaker 1: but Stockholm syndrome, the original Stockholm syndrome is a warmth 1620 01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:45,880 Speaker 1: or fondness for one's captors in a hostage situation. So 1621 01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,760 Speaker 1: it's a play on words there for that to army 1622 01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:51,759 Speaker 1: is using, but it refers it comes from a nineteen 1623 01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:57,599 Speaker 1: seventy three bank robbery, uh where we're Stockholm police we're 1624 01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:02,599 Speaker 1: asking for people's help at afterwards. Um. And the Swedish 1625 01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:07,240 Speaker 1: criminologist and psychologist Neil's biz your wroth. I have no 1626 01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,640 Speaker 1: idea how you pronounced that in Swedish. But uh, not 1627 01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,479 Speaker 1: Niles babe wroth or something. I don't know. You know 1628 01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,560 Speaker 1: Swedish not my Swedish is not my mother tongue. I 1629 01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:19,840 Speaker 1: do not speak Swedish. Um. But anyway, he coined the term. Uh. 1630 01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:23,160 Speaker 1: They coined the term Stockholm syndrome. Another term I wanted 1631 01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:26,519 Speaker 1: to put out there because you'll see it occasionally pop 1632 01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:32,040 Speaker 1: up in media when they discussed these terrible sexual assault 1633 01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:34,719 Speaker 1: and that they've been happening in Sweden too. And it's 1634 01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:39,600 Speaker 1: it's a a really a gang sexual assault that is 1635 01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,160 Speaker 1: set up so that you have people in a you 1636 01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:44,439 Speaker 1: have a group of men who are who form a 1637 01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:48,880 Speaker 1: a crowd. They form a sort of human barrier on 1638 01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:52,559 Speaker 1: the outside and they stand facing outward, and then inside 1639 01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:56,320 Speaker 1: there are men who growp and sexually assault and sometimes 1640 01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:03,200 Speaker 1: even rape women. And this is called taharushkamia, which just 1641 01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:09,160 Speaker 1: means group harassment in in Arabic. And this is sometimes 1642 01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,800 Speaker 1: referred to the most famous case of this and if 1643 01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:14,320 Speaker 1: you look at the specifics they go into the details 1644 01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:18,479 Speaker 1: about it involved the CBS reporter Lara Logan in Tare Square, 1645 01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:21,400 Speaker 1: a place where I've been and also reported from in 1646 01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:25,280 Speaker 1: Cairo in Egypt, she had a group of men surround 1647 01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:28,040 Speaker 1: her face outwards to prevent anyone from coming to her assistance, 1648 01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:33,120 Speaker 1: and then men inside the center of this wall of 1649 01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,120 Speaker 1: you know, human wall of criminals, men on the inside 1650 01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:40,360 Speaker 1: uh sexually assaulted her there. And this has happened elsewhere too. 1651 01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,719 Speaker 1: This has happened at concerts, I believe Mumford and Sons 1652 01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,000 Speaker 1: I believe this was in Sweden as well, refused to 1653 01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:51,320 Speaker 1: play a concert there, if memory serves because of concerns 1654 01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:54,680 Speaker 1: about this, although I'd have to check up the citation 1655 01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,360 Speaker 1: on that one. I am speaking to extemporaneously here. But 1656 01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:01,280 Speaker 1: taharush Gama is something that does happen. It is a 1657 01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:06,160 Speaker 1: real thing, and it is a specific It is a 1658 01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:10,920 Speaker 1: specific problem too well the Muslim world. I've never heard 1659 01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,640 Speaker 1: of this happening outside of the context of either UH, 1660 01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:17,760 Speaker 1: young male Muslim refugees assaulting a woman or in the 1661 01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:21,480 Speaker 1: case of Jeffreeer square it all. It happens that at concerts, 1662 01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:25,400 Speaker 1: It's happened at concerts, and it's something that you will 1663 01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:28,640 Speaker 1: see popping up sometimes in in the news. Uh, it 1664 01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:32,559 Speaker 1: is terrifying. And the fact that this is now it's 1665 01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:37,320 Speaker 1: almost like a mass tactical or a tactical movement of 1666 01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:40,200 Speaker 1: men for the purposes of sexual assault. It's it's pretty 1667 01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:44,360 Speaker 1: pretty horrific and and and disgusting. Um. What else did 1668 01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:45,800 Speaker 1: I want to tell you about when a couple of 1669 01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,160 Speaker 1: follow ons to our army interview there. Oh yes, Also 1670 01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:50,639 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it when I was reading it initially, 1671 01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:54,280 Speaker 1: but there was a there was a CBC piece so 1672 01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,360 Speaker 1: up in Canada. There was a piece about how they 1673 01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:01,640 Speaker 1: didn't think that a series of sexual assaults at a 1674 01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,759 Speaker 1: I Lose out of water park. They're involving teenage girls, 1675 01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:09,280 Speaker 1: all younger than sixteen, six teenage girls all younger than sixteen. 1676 01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:14,920 Speaker 1: There were complaints because the the news media reported that 1677 01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:18,800 Speaker 1: the assailants here. And this is just from a couple 1678 01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:22,519 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. And this was CBC news up in Canada. Uh, 1679 01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, one of their primary news sources, as far 1680 01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:27,760 Speaker 1: as I understand see, one of the CBC is a 1681 01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,080 Speaker 1: big thing up in Canada, throwing BBC in the UK. 1682 01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,680 Speaker 1: And there there were people who were upset. They were 1683 01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:40,320 Speaker 1: upset because the inclusion of Syrian refugee in the description 1684 01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:46,320 Speaker 1: of the assailant here who sexually abused and sexually assaulted 1685 01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:48,920 Speaker 1: six girls under the age of sixteen in this water park, 1686 01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:54,759 Speaker 1: allegedly the description of him when it was a Syrian 1687 01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:59,080 Speaker 1: refugee when some of the news sources insert when they quote, 1688 01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:01,679 Speaker 1: they inserted the two words Syrian refugee, and it completely 1689 01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:03,760 Speaker 1: changed the dimension of the story. That's the claim here, 1690 01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:10,080 Speaker 1: and that they're the concern. The concern is that it's 1691 01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,840 Speaker 1: quote not relevant to the story, they say, and so 1692 01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:17,120 Speaker 1: it should not be reported. Um, I think it's relevant 1693 01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:20,640 Speaker 1: to the story. Isn't this interesting when journalists decide that 1694 01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:23,960 Speaker 1: the background of an attacker, an assailant like this is 1695 01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:26,719 Speaker 1: off limits all of a sudden, and they're pretty explicit 1696 01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:29,559 Speaker 1: about in this piece. It's because people in the media 1697 01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:33,680 Speaker 1: there are worried that it will create anti immigrant sentiment. Well, 1698 01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,800 Speaker 1: you know what creates anti immigrant sentiment when journalists and 1699 01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:41,479 Speaker 1: the authorities and police, even in some circumstances, lie to 1700 01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:44,560 Speaker 1: the general population because they don't want there to be 1701 01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,439 Speaker 1: hurt feelings among the immigrant community. We should know the facts. 1702 01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,639 Speaker 1: We are adults. We can make our own decisions about 1703 01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,679 Speaker 1: what it means politically. But you'll notice journalists and many 1704 01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:56,720 Speaker 1: governments don't feel that way about this issue. We've got 1705 01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:00,360 Speaker 1: more coming up. The things that matter most your day 1706 01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:03,799 Speaker 1: to day life are too important to trust to just anyone. 1707 01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:07,920 Speaker 1: That's that's why, that's why he's here, Buck Sexton with 1708 01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:14,559 Speaker 1: America Now, sharp mind, strong voice, Buck Sexton. You heard 1709 01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:18,200 Speaker 1: the man. Buck Sexton is here. Yea. We're also joined 1710 01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:20,759 Speaker 1: by David French. He's a staff writer for National Review 1711 01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:24,360 Speaker 1: and a Senior Senior Fellow at the National Review Institute. 1712 01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:26,800 Speaker 1: Check out his latest on National Review dot com. Got 1713 01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:29,880 Speaker 1: a few people I'm talking about, David, Thanks for joining well, 1714 01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:31,840 Speaker 1: thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it. So first, 1715 01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,160 Speaker 1: let's start off the rage against the Machine Understanding the 1716 01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:37,960 Speaker 1: Milo phenomenon. It's up on National Review dot com right now. 1717 01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,000 Speaker 1: I I love that you start out this piece by 1718 01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:44,720 Speaker 1: talking about something that I've had friends who work on 1719 01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,960 Speaker 1: the sports side of things whispered to me before that, 1720 01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:52,880 Speaker 1: for example, ESPN is MSNBC with sports. I've been told. 1721 01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:54,600 Speaker 1: I know that's made the rounds out there now, but 1722 01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:59,080 Speaker 1: but even among the sports commentary at there is now 1723 01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:03,960 Speaker 1: this political orthodoxy that is leftist, that is progressive, and 1724 01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:07,599 Speaker 1: you transgress that at your professional peril, and you bring 1725 01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:09,720 Speaker 1: this up. You bring this up in the context of 1726 01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:12,880 Speaker 1: this is why there is such rage on the right. 1727 01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:16,720 Speaker 1: People are sick of even what should be nonpartisan or 1728 01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,840 Speaker 1: non political I should say non political institutions that are 1729 01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:24,599 Speaker 1: so heavily politicized. So the anger is understandable, right exactly. 1730 01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:27,599 Speaker 1: I mean the launching off point was this this piece 1731 01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:30,880 Speaker 1: in the Ringer was basically explaining how sportswriting became such 1732 01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:35,200 Speaker 1: a liberal profession, where the guy admits frankly, that your 1733 01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:40,160 Speaker 1: liberal politics are helping sportswriters get jobs these days. Like now, 1734 01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:43,000 Speaker 1: what what their position on, say, the immigration has to 1735 01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:46,080 Speaker 1: do with the pick and roll? I don't know, but uh, 1736 01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:50,000 Speaker 1: these guys are are not They're not just commenting on 1737 01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:53,720 Speaker 1: basketball or football anymore. They're inflicting their political opinions on 1738 01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:56,360 Speaker 1: us as well, all, you know, in this interest of 1739 01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:59,360 Speaker 1: being sort of this quote woke liberal. And can I 1740 01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:01,439 Speaker 1: just add to the David that it's even more pernicious 1741 01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:03,919 Speaker 1: to me that if people want to share their opinions 1742 01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,360 Speaker 1: outside of their lane you know, right, this is where 1743 01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:09,680 Speaker 1: it is America right free country. But there is a 1744 01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:13,080 Speaker 1: punishing of those who step outside of the left or 1745 01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:15,519 Speaker 1: leftist orthodoxy, such that, as you write in this piece, 1746 01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:19,280 Speaker 1: Curtis asked, could someone even be a Paul Ryan friendly 1747 01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:23,040 Speaker 1: sportswriter knocking out their power rankings while tweeting that Obamacare 1748 01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:25,200 Speaker 1: is a failure and that the randal was a giveaway 1749 01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:28,280 Speaker 1: of American sovereignty. Based on what I've heard from people 1750 01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:30,560 Speaker 1: I know who have worked at ESPN, the answer to 1751 01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:34,160 Speaker 1: that is no, right exactly. So, on the one hand, 1752 01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:37,880 Speaker 1: you have these people, these quote woke liberals, inflicting their 1753 01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:39,680 Speaker 1: opinion on it. At the same time, it's not an 1754 01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:43,479 Speaker 1: actual marketplace ideas. I wouldn't have an issue with the ESPN, 1755 01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:46,440 Speaker 1: for example, if it said, hey, look, our employees are employees, 1756 01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:50,000 Speaker 1: their viewpoints are there are their viewpoints, and everyone is 1757 01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:53,000 Speaker 1: free to share. But ESPN has put its thumb on 1758 01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,080 Speaker 1: the scales in a big time way. And and this 1759 01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:58,559 Speaker 1: is just one example. It's just one example. You can 1760 01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:02,760 Speaker 1: go from corporation to operation, from campus to campus, from 1761 01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:07,120 Speaker 1: movie to movie, and and even your neutral things that 1762 01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:12,240 Speaker 1: are supposed to be neutral cultural institutions are becoming increasingly 1763 01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:15,760 Speaker 1: progressive and what that what it's often the result of 1764 01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:20,599 Speaker 1: intentional exclusion. So there is a proper degree of anger 1765 01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,640 Speaker 1: that's out there that says we're tired of this, and 1766 01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:26,559 Speaker 1: we're a particularly tired of it when they're coming at 1767 01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:30,479 Speaker 1: us not from a position of respect and understanding for 1768 01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:33,479 Speaker 1: conservative points of view, but often from a standpoint of 1769 01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:37,720 Speaker 1: intolerance and ignorance of conservative points of view. This incredible 1770 01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:42,080 Speaker 1: moral superiority that is based on fiction and and and 1771 01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:46,719 Speaker 1: on caricatures, and it justifiably makes people angry. It's also 1772 01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,080 Speaker 1: funny your your piece. You have rage against the machine 1773 01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:51,000 Speaker 1: and the title and of course rage against the machine 1774 01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:55,840 Speaker 1: a very politically minded and politicized group of of of 1775 01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,719 Speaker 1: leftist radicals although Tom Morell I think went to Harvard, 1776 01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:00,439 Speaker 1: not that you can't be a leftist cool it goes 1777 01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:01,880 Speaker 1: to Harvard, but you know, he's one of them, He's 1778 01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:06,280 Speaker 1: one of those. Um and uh. Then you transition though 1779 01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:09,599 Speaker 1: from right from setting up why there is this rage 1780 01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,160 Speaker 1: to the issue of what what you see happening here 1781 01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:15,040 Speaker 1: with Milo and I want you to walk us through that. Yeah, 1782 01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:19,360 Speaker 1: So essentially what's happening is is you have this understandable 1783 01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:24,160 Speaker 1: hunger out there for people to find, to find um pundits, 1784 01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:27,639 Speaker 1: to find celebrities, to find personalities who will fight for them, 1785 01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:30,200 Speaker 1: who will sort of do the same thing to the 1786 01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,240 Speaker 1: left that like a John Oliver or John Stewart does 1787 01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:36,800 Speaker 1: to the right. I mean, and Milo became one of 1788 01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:40,400 Speaker 1: those people, and he was trolling the trolls absolutely. You know, 1789 01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:43,840 Speaker 1: you would see YouTube YouTube would suggest to you again 1790 01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:48,559 Speaker 1: again watch Milo destroy feminist or campus social justice warrior. 1791 01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:52,200 Speaker 1: And and it was a lot like you know when 1792 01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:55,080 Speaker 1: you would see YouTube that say, watch John Oliver destroy 1793 01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:57,840 Speaker 1: Fox News. It was sort of that tit for tat, 1794 01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:01,320 Speaker 1: trolling the trolls, as you said, in it drew people in, 1795 01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:04,520 Speaker 1: and it drew people in for reasons that I completely understand. 1796 01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:08,920 Speaker 1: But the problem became there there is a right way 1797 01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:11,160 Speaker 1: to rage against the machine, and there is a wrong 1798 01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:14,000 Speaker 1: way to rage against the machine. And when you're shocking 1799 01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:17,840 Speaker 1: for the sake of shock, outraging for the sake of outrage, 1800 01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:21,680 Speaker 1: and not pointing towards things that are good, that are true, uh, 1801 01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:26,160 Speaker 1: and that are you know, have real virtue in our society. Um, 1802 01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:29,280 Speaker 1: you you're gonna end up being part of the problem. Yourself. 1803 01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:31,599 Speaker 1: You're just going to become another one of these voices 1804 01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:35,839 Speaker 1: that more self promotional and angry than you are actually 1805 01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:40,800 Speaker 1: constructively confrontational. Now, I don't want to be yet another voice, 1806 01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:43,280 Speaker 1: and I've tried to avoid it today on on both 1807 01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:46,360 Speaker 1: of my shows. Who's denouncing what Milo said? Because I 1808 01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:49,200 Speaker 1: don't think any everyone's clear those are not things. There 1809 01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:51,519 Speaker 1: are not things that anyone should be saying. Um. And 1810 01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:53,479 Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna ask you about what led to 1811 01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:55,680 Speaker 1: this crisis forum in terms of the actual comments that 1812 01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:56,880 Speaker 1: he made, because I don't think I think that's a 1813 01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,000 Speaker 1: that's a waste of the audience's time. No one needs 1814 01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:01,280 Speaker 1: to be told that no one should be advocating for 1815 01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:03,400 Speaker 1: the things that he was advocating for, including Milo, who 1816 01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:05,519 Speaker 1: has now said he's sorry and he shouldn't have said it, 1817 01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:08,519 Speaker 1: and he agrees. So I hope that his supporters will 1818 01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:10,680 Speaker 1: understand that when the guy you're supporting is like, no, 1819 01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:12,960 Speaker 1: I made a mistake, it's bad. Stop yelling at people 1820 01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:16,040 Speaker 1: for saying it's bad. But you found problem with Milo's 1821 01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:22,559 Speaker 1: tone and approach even before this, uh, this current crisis happened, well, right, 1822 01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:25,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you know this this current thing I mean, first, 1823 01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:27,600 Speaker 1: this current thing is not new. This is stuff that 1824 01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:29,240 Speaker 1: he's It's been out there for a while. I pointed 1825 01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:32,280 Speaker 1: that out earlier. Yeah yeah, yeah. And but he also 1826 01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:35,559 Speaker 1: was the chief defender of this so called alt right. 1827 01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:38,479 Speaker 1: Uh and and he seemed to love the alt right 1828 01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:43,599 Speaker 1: primarily because it attacked everyone that Milo hated, and so uh, 1829 01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:45,880 Speaker 1: this sort of enemy of my enemy is my friend. 1830 01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,400 Speaker 1: And then Milo himself flirted with this kind of alt 1831 01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:52,600 Speaker 1: right ideology. You know, he he adopted uh phrases and 1832 01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:57,120 Speaker 1: words and wrote pieces explicitly defending it in this the 1833 01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:00,479 Speaker 1: alt right, and then actually even participated than some of 1834 01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:05,559 Speaker 1: the online uh pylons that were that weren't just merry 1835 01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:09,280 Speaker 1: little trolls. They were it was vicious and deeply personal. 1836 01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,400 Speaker 1: And so he he went from trolling the trolls to 1837 01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:16,320 Speaker 1: being his own form of different troll yeah yeah, yeah, 1838 01:42:16,479 --> 01:42:18,479 Speaker 1: to being you know, and I don't even like to 1839 01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:21,519 Speaker 1: use the word troll. ConTroll implies some sort of fun 1840 01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:25,320 Speaker 1: spirit behind it or win Internet trolls are terrible trolls 1841 01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:28,560 Speaker 1: deserve a special place in hell, but go ahead. Exactly, 1842 01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:32,080 Speaker 1: it was just vicious and cruel and and the thing 1843 01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:35,479 Speaker 1: is and it was turned against uh, it was turned 1844 01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:39,080 Speaker 1: against conservatives, It was turned against Hollywood celebrities who hadn't 1845 01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:41,720 Speaker 1: done anything to him at all. It was it was 1846 01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:45,720 Speaker 1: just he became a weapon and internet weapon, um and 1847 01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:49,120 Speaker 1: and that is not what the conservative movement should be about. 1848 01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:52,680 Speaker 1: Of cruelty, I have to say that. I yeah, and 1849 01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:56,080 Speaker 1: that also there was I was subjected to this, and 1850 01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:59,000 Speaker 1: I know you were in much worse ways from what 1851 01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:02,479 Speaker 1: you've told me about on air, David, the Trump support 1852 01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:04,200 Speaker 1: and I was a guy who ended up voting for Trump, 1853 01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:05,960 Speaker 1: and I still got my fair share of you know, 1854 01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:10,160 Speaker 1: sell out, horrible ci a takeover of America controlled by 1855 01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:12,920 Speaker 1: the illuminati. And that's the polite, you know, non four 1856 01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,840 Speaker 1: letter stuff. But anyway from from Trump supporters, that and 1857 01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:18,559 Speaker 1: that's all. That's all separate conversation. I know we couldn't 1858 01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:20,160 Speaker 1: go down that path. But the first time I ever 1859 01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:23,800 Speaker 1: even heard of the al thright, and I'm so All 1860 01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,200 Speaker 1: I do is read newspapers and opinion columns and try 1861 01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:28,759 Speaker 1: to stay as as up to date on court events 1862 01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,800 Speaker 1: like Ken had to do with Milo. So that was 1863 01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,320 Speaker 1: interesting to me that he was the first and I thought, okay, 1864 01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:37,479 Speaker 1: well here's somebody who's taking a different approach um. And 1865 01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:40,000 Speaker 1: and it does go to that rage against the machine mentality, 1866 01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:42,760 Speaker 1: because I do think people are frustrated, and I think 1867 01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:44,720 Speaker 1: that that's a lot of the support for Trump as well, 1868 01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,439 Speaker 1: is you're just gonna say things that anger these people, 1869 01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:49,880 Speaker 1: that set them off for the sake of setting them off, 1870 01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:52,679 Speaker 1: because we're all so sick of living in this PC tyranny. 1871 01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:56,680 Speaker 1: So I do understand that, right, But the opposite of 1872 01:43:56,720 --> 01:44:00,479 Speaker 1: political correctness isn't being a jerk or worse. And and 1873 01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:03,599 Speaker 1: that's you know what some people forget. They essentially at 1874 01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:06,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes people are saying, well that the best thing that 1875 01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:10,960 Speaker 1: I can possibly do is infuriate a social justice warrior. Well, 1876 01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:13,000 Speaker 1: you've got to ask yourself, how are you doing it? 1877 01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:16,320 Speaker 1: Are you infuriating them with the truth or you're infuriating 1878 01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:19,600 Speaker 1: them with Nazi imagery. And that's what the alt right 1879 01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:23,360 Speaker 1: was doing. I mean, it was sending anti Semitic images, uh, 1880 01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:28,439 Speaker 1: threatening images to Jewish journalists on a massive scale. Uh. 1881 01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:33,640 Speaker 1: That's not that's infuriating social justice warriors. It's also infuriating 1882 01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:37,760 Speaker 1: people who have a basic sense of moral decency. Uh. 1883 01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:41,760 Speaker 1: And and that's when it became deeply destructive and but 1884 01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:44,200 Speaker 1: because it was being aimed at a lot of people 1885 01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,519 Speaker 1: that in particular, Um, they aimed at a lot of 1886 01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:51,960 Speaker 1: people that, in particular Trump fans didn't like. They didn't 1887 01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,599 Speaker 1: worry about it so much. And and part of what's 1888 01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:58,240 Speaker 1: so cynical about all of this is that Milo has 1889 01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:01,960 Speaker 1: been nothing about what happened. Here is new nothing. There 1890 01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:05,200 Speaker 1: is no new revelation, There is no new knowledge about Milo. 1891 01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:10,200 Speaker 1: And he has been blasted apart and discarded. Why because 1892 01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:14,760 Speaker 1: that kind of disruption is no longer useful um to 1893 01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:17,920 Speaker 1: people who have employed him in the past, or who 1894 01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:21,040 Speaker 1: contracted with him to write a book, UM that his 1895 01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:24,960 Speaker 1: disruption was seen as dangerous and not useful, and so 1896 01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:29,760 Speaker 1: he's discarded. Um, Milo hadn't changed the conditions around him 1897 01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:32,719 Speaker 1: and change and his usefulness to his own movement had changed, 1898 01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:36,960 Speaker 1: and he and and he's now been thoroughly and completely 1899 01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:39,559 Speaker 1: discarded by all of his former allies in FRONT. Now, 1900 01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:41,960 Speaker 1: I do think that Milo is is an extreme case 1901 01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:44,599 Speaker 1: in the sense that he said the things that there 1902 01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:46,040 Speaker 1: are limits, you know, and I don't have to get 1903 01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:48,360 Speaker 1: into them, but you know there are limits. Although you 1904 01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:51,280 Speaker 1: did have an SNL cast member and what was otherwise 1905 01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:54,599 Speaker 1: a pretty funny to sent up Sean Spicer. Uh make 1906 01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:56,439 Speaker 1: a very it was very quick, it was fleeting, but 1907 01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:59,599 Speaker 1: it was mocking the the mentally disabled, and I thought 1908 01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,479 Speaker 1: that it was It was surprising because I think that's 1909 01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:03,600 Speaker 1: also a red line for most normal people, like you 1910 01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:05,720 Speaker 1: just never you never go there. That's never funny, it's 1911 01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:07,840 Speaker 1: never okay. Um, but she got do you know what 1912 01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:09,280 Speaker 1: I'm talking about? That was in the spite of the 1913 01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:12,479 Speaker 1: first Oh yeah, the first Spicer send up. They did, 1914 01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:15,080 Speaker 1: uh so anyway, But usually I think people understand what 1915 01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,000 Speaker 1: what the true red lines are. And I know then 1916 01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:18,799 Speaker 1: people say, oh, well, you're not really for free speech. 1917 01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:21,400 Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, reasonable people can be reasonable. 1918 01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:23,360 Speaker 1: But I want to ask me before I gotta let 1919 01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:24,800 Speaker 1: you go, David, because we're gonna run to a break 1920 01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:27,240 Speaker 1: you mentioned. And I find this fascinating. I think this 1921 01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:30,120 Speaker 1: should be the case that, apart from the Milo situation, 1922 01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:34,200 Speaker 1: in general, employers need to stop firing people for what 1923 01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:36,639 Speaker 1: they do on private social media on their private time, 1924 01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:41,280 Speaker 1: unlessie is really bad. I agree with it, right right, 1925 01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:43,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I honestly think the primary threat to the 1926 01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:47,120 Speaker 1: culture of free speech. I'm not talking about the First Amendment, 1927 01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:50,360 Speaker 1: which protects against government in action, but our government action. 1928 01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:54,080 Speaker 1: But the culture of free speech is this unbelievably oppressive 1929 01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:57,040 Speaker 1: atmosphere and so many corporations that they're gonna be reading 1930 01:46:57,080 --> 01:47:00,120 Speaker 1: your Facebook feeds, they're gonna be wanting to make or 1931 01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:03,280 Speaker 1: that you're agreeing with the diversity trainers. And I know 1932 01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:05,720 Speaker 1: I have friends all even you know, even here in 1933 01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:09,040 Speaker 1: Middle Tennessee, who are afraid to voice and speak their 1934 01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:11,800 Speaker 1: minds in their own workplace, whereas their liberal colleagues are not. 1935 01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:14,439 Speaker 1: And they're right to be afraid. By the way they're 1936 01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:18,120 Speaker 1: They're not crazy, No, no, they're not remotely crazy. I 1937 01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:21,320 Speaker 1: mean mentioning that they supported Trump is virtually all of 1938 01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:25,160 Speaker 1: my friends did. Um, they have legitimate concern that that 1939 01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:29,080 Speaker 1: could lead to some sort of you know, disciplinary action 1940 01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:32,599 Speaker 1: or counseling or admonition. Where you know, I have friends 1941 01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:35,800 Speaker 1: who had colleagues who just took days off of work 1942 01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:40,800 Speaker 1: because they were so distraught that Hillary lost with zero repercussion. Yeah, no, 1943 01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:44,920 Speaker 1: that the double standards there are are really mind boggling. 1944 01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:46,519 Speaker 1: But but also I would like us to get to 1945 01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:49,439 Speaker 1: a place where employers don't feel the need to constantly 1946 01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:52,040 Speaker 1: please again within reason, right, I mean, and that's where 1947 01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:54,759 Speaker 1: I guess it starts to fall into well, what's within reason? 1948 01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:56,479 Speaker 1: I mean, you're a lawyer, David. I know you know, 1949 01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:58,760 Speaker 1: we can play these games all day, but it's it's 1950 01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:01,519 Speaker 1: gotten oppressive. You know, so and so said something that 1951 01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:04,120 Speaker 1: people don't like on social media. You better fire them 1952 01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:06,160 Speaker 1: or else. Some companies need to say, you know what, 1953 01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,040 Speaker 1: that was their own thing in their own time. And 1954 01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:11,560 Speaker 1: we we we defend free speech as a principle in 1955 01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:13,320 Speaker 1: this country as well. But David, are having too too 1956 01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:14,760 Speaker 1: much fun talking to you, and we've run out of 1957 01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:17,280 Speaker 1: time here. David French of National Review. Everybody check out 1958 01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:21,280 Speaker 1: his latest David, thank you very much. Thanks for having me, alright, 1959 01:48:21,320 --> 01:48:24,000 Speaker 1: team back on the flip side, stay with me, all right, 1960 01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:26,160 Speaker 1: Team buck welcome back to the Freedom Hunt. If you 1961 01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:28,120 Speaker 1: missed any part of today's show you want to listen 1962 01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:31,639 Speaker 1: to it, please go to American Radio dot com slash 1963 01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:34,920 Speaker 1: podcast and uh hopefully we'll have some additional ways for 1964 01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:38,800 Speaker 1: you to listen soon. Uh. Cindy in Pennsylvania on w 1965 01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:42,160 Speaker 1: A E B. You are on the Buck Sex and Show. 1966 01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:46,000 Speaker 1: What's up? Hi, buck Um, just started listening to your 1967 01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:47,439 Speaker 1: show and I just want to say, you're doing a 1968 01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:50,439 Speaker 1: great job and I am really enjoying it. Thank you 1969 01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:52,360 Speaker 1: so much. Please keep please, please please tell a couple 1970 01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:53,960 Speaker 1: of friends about it so they know it's new and 1971 01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:59,200 Speaker 1: exciting show. Thank you. I will UM. I just wanted 1972 01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:01,439 Speaker 1: to call in and talk on UM if I could 1973 01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:04,680 Speaker 1: quickly about the UM which we had said about the 1974 01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:08,120 Speaker 1: press not wanting to say things like Syrian refugees in 1975 01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:11,720 Speaker 1: their reporting. And I had just been listening to the 1976 01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:15,599 Speaker 1: town hall on Fox and there was a woman there. 1977 01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:18,600 Speaker 1: She stood up. She was an immigrant from Berlin, and 1978 01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:22,080 Speaker 1: she compared the wall separating Mexico in the US to 1979 01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:26,360 Speaker 1: the Berlin Wall. Hope, well, within a country not apples 1980 01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:29,640 Speaker 1: to apples, UM, And you know, of course Mexico and 1981 01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:33,040 Speaker 1: US borders separating two sovereign countries. So then she went 1982 01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:35,599 Speaker 1: on to say that proponents for the wall should get 1983 01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:38,200 Speaker 1: to know some immigrants instead of fearing what they don't know, 1984 01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:42,680 Speaker 1: and she conveniently left out the word illegal. So UM, 1985 01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:46,439 Speaker 1: I just feel like lead conservatives and particularly in the 1986 01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:50,760 Speaker 1: Trump administration, need to really UM call this out. We 1987 01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:53,960 Speaker 1: have to hone in our our critical thinking skills, and 1988 01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:58,040 Speaker 1: we need to combat this subversion of facts that's cleverly 1989 01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:01,479 Speaker 1: disguised as political correctness, because I think that's how Trump 1990 01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:03,760 Speaker 1: won was because he called it out. And if he 1991 01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:06,720 Speaker 1: stops doing that, he's just gonna he's just gonna be 1992 01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:08,920 Speaker 1: buried with these assaults. And you know, now they're pulling 1993 01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:11,960 Speaker 1: him anti Semitic every other day, which is the most 1994 01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,080 Speaker 1: ridiculous thing I've ever heard when you look at his staff, 1995 01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:15,760 Speaker 1: and you know, I didn't I didn't get to mention 1996 01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:19,200 Speaker 1: this any but I think it's important. The accusation of 1997 01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:23,400 Speaker 1: Trump as anti Semitic is is a frivolous accusation, as 1998 01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:26,760 Speaker 1: a baseless accusation, But of course it you know it, 1999 01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:29,759 Speaker 1: it gets in the machinery, It gets in the gears, 2000 01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:32,000 Speaker 1: It slows things. You know that our Trump and Sean 2001 01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:35,160 Speaker 1: Spicer and others have to spend time addressing this and 2002 01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:39,200 Speaker 1: they have to deal with this, and that I think 2003 01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:42,040 Speaker 1: is part of the media plan here, right, even if 2004 01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:46,720 Speaker 1: the charge doesn't stick, by making the charge, you get 2005 01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:50,280 Speaker 1: the you know, from their perspective, you get the benefit 2006 01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:53,160 Speaker 1: of forcing Trump to respond to the charge. You know, 2007 01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:56,800 Speaker 1: it's almost like lawfare or or or frivolous lawsuits that 2008 01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:59,040 Speaker 1: are intended to just bog somebody down in the courts. 2009 01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:02,040 Speaker 1: They're trying to bog down the administration with all anti semitism. 2010 01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:05,280 Speaker 1: You didn't, you didn't decry anti semitism. You know, it's 2011 01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:08,679 Speaker 1: one of his closest advisors. And everyone was talking about 2012 01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:10,600 Speaker 1: how he's got so much power in the government. Is 2013 01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:14,280 Speaker 1: his son in law, who's who's Orthodox Jewish? So you 2014 01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:16,800 Speaker 1: know he's such an anti Semite that I mean, it's 2015 01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:19,160 Speaker 1: just it's crazy. But see, but you know what's in here. 2016 01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,639 Speaker 1: We are talking about it right here, We are having 2017 01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:24,160 Speaker 1: this discussion because we we've got you know, we gotta 2018 01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:26,760 Speaker 1: go on defense, and that's what Trump does. Understand. You 2019 01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:29,120 Speaker 1: gotta be on offense if you want to get things done. 2020 01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:31,400 Speaker 1: You can't allow them to box you in. You can 2021 01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:33,400 Speaker 1: allow them to put you in a corner. Nobody puts 2022 01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:36,080 Speaker 1: Trump in a corner. Thanks for calling in Sydney from Pennsylvania. 2023 01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:37,960 Speaker 1: Great to talk to you. Appreciate it always fun to 2024 01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:41,000 Speaker 1: have a new voice here in the Freedom Hunt, which 2025 01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:45,640 Speaker 1: I really do appreciate it very much. Um let me 2026 01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:48,000 Speaker 1: see we've got here. Oh, by the way, I meant 2027 01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:51,160 Speaker 1: to mention earlier in the show, there have been a 2028 01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:57,000 Speaker 1: couple of high profile speaking of the culture wars between 2029 01:51:57,479 --> 01:52:01,559 Speaker 1: East and West that are playing out the UH, well, 2030 01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:05,439 Speaker 1: the back and forth over Sharia and refugees assimilating and 2031 01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:08,920 Speaker 1: on all of that which is playing out in Europe 2032 01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:10,320 Speaker 1: in a way that I think a lot of Americans 2033 01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:13,360 Speaker 1: look at. There are a couple of high profile cases 2034 01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:17,040 Speaker 1: of people refusing to wear the hijab, which is the 2035 01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:20,200 Speaker 1: Islamic head his job is just a general term for 2036 01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:23,280 Speaker 1: Islamic head covering for a head. Well, it's not always 2037 01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:25,800 Speaker 1: a scarf, but it's oftentimes a scarf. And I wanted 2038 01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:27,880 Speaker 1: to get this, but that music unfortunately means that we're 2039 01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:30,240 Speaker 1: gonna have to hold that for tomorrow, so we might 2040 01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:33,480 Speaker 1: get a chance to have a more in depth conversation 2041 01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:37,519 Speaker 1: about all of that on tomorrow. If you thought there 2042 01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:39,160 Speaker 1: was a topic that we should have spent time on 2043 01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:40,760 Speaker 1: today we didn't get to, or that we you want 2044 01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:44,200 Speaker 1: to hear more on UH, best place to go is 2045 01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:47,120 Speaker 1: Facebook dot com, slash buck sex and you can send 2046 01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:49,720 Speaker 1: me some messages there. Or if you're on Twitter and 2047 01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:52,519 Speaker 1: you're not not yet following me, um tweeting up a 2048 01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:54,479 Speaker 1: storm all the time, or at least reading Twitter all 2049 01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:56,360 Speaker 1: the time. I don't really tweet all that much because 2050 01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:57,960 Speaker 1: there are other things I like to do in life, 2051 01:52:58,479 --> 01:53:01,080 Speaker 1: unlike some people who are tweeting hundreds of thousands of times. 2052 01:53:01,120 --> 01:53:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how anybody does that anyway, Um, what 2053 01:53:04,360 --> 01:53:06,559 Speaker 1: else were they going to say? Oh, yes, tweet at 2054 01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:08,320 Speaker 1: me at buck Sexton on Twitter and let me know 2055 01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:10,120 Speaker 1: what you think about the show. I'll be back with 2056 01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:13,120 Speaker 1: you well every night Monday through Friday, of course, and 2057 01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:15,479 Speaker 1: until then, my friends Shields Hi