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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another very very special edition of Club Shaysha.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, Shannon Sharp of also the propriet

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Speaker 1: of Club Shasha. Stopping By is not one but two guests.

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Speaker 1: The first guest is one of the most vocally gifted,

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Speaker 1: talented artists we have out today. A Grammy Award an

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Speaker 1: NAACP Image Award winning singer, a platinum selling songwriter, an

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Speaker 1: accomplished actress, a top tier dancer, a chart topping hit maker,

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Speaker 1: a natural star, a respected role model, multifaceted musician, creative

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Speaker 1: and entertainer. R and b's next superstar MS Coco Jones.

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Speaker 1: Remember I told you not one but two. He's a

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Speaker 1: powerhouse vocalist, a Grammy nominated singer, a multi platinum songwriter,

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Speaker 1: chart topping conquering artist, global musician, sensation, genre defying, and

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Speaker 1: he's my homeboy, a Georgia boy. Mister Teddy swimms All my.

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Speaker 2: Life, grinding all my life, Second Fis Russell pet Prison

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Speaker 2: one Seche.

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Speaker 3: All my life, grinding in all my life, all my life,

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Speaker 3: running all my.

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Speaker 4: Life, Second Fights, Pus.

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Speaker 5: One slice, doctor all my life, Poppy ground in all

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Speaker 5: my life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's up?

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for stopping by having us. Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: Both of you guys started off doing covers. How do

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Speaker 1: you think that helped your careers? For me?

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Speaker 6: I think songwriting and learning why I like certain songs

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Speaker 6: and how they make me feel and how to translate

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Speaker 6: that into, you know, my own thing. And I also think, honestly,

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Speaker 6: just being able to have something trendy that brings attention

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Speaker 6: to your name. When you're doing covers, you know, it's

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Speaker 6: kind of like you're trying to get that click.

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Speaker 1: Baby, right, Yes, you know that attention.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever did you ever have the fear of,

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Speaker 2: like when you were starting to put yourself your own

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Speaker 2: stuff out there, that there was just like, God, I

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Speaker 2: already did some of these best songs in the world,

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Speaker 2: Like how do I how do I how do anything

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Speaker 2: that I do ever going to compare to that?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 7: Is there that fear?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 6: I mean even still now I'm like, now I'm comparing

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Speaker 6: myself to myself. Yeah, man, But I think that what

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Speaker 6: worked for me is just being so honest and so

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Speaker 6: vulnerable that you just feel it. You know, if you're

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Speaker 6: talking about something real, it's you just feel that. I

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Speaker 6: try to just tell the truth and and let it

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Speaker 6: go because I really can't control that.

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Speaker 7: What about you, yes, say, I guess same.

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Speaker 2: I think I think I did go through a phase

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Speaker 2: for a long time where and I still do where

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, uh, I feared that somebody was

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Speaker 2: gonna say, just like, shut up and sing Shana Twain,

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Speaker 2: you know and or or you know you sound you

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Speaker 2: sound way better singing Stevie wonderfat Boy than you ever

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Speaker 2: will sounding. But I think I think the biggest thing

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Speaker 2: for me was that I realized every song that I

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Speaker 2: learned also helps me and in songwriting and understanding music

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Speaker 2: better and and portray myself and and the stuff I

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Speaker 2: love and well, I think the biggest thing that set

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Speaker 2: me free was that I was able to say, you know,

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Speaker 2: Stevie didn't grow up listening to Stevie, or Michael didn't

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Speaker 2: go up listening to Michael. And so when I when

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Speaker 2: I have those when I learned those tools from those people,

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Speaker 2: it also I guess it's like another tool in the

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Speaker 2: shed that I get to use and get to pay

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Speaker 2: homage and honor to those people that I look up to,

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Speaker 2: rather than comparing myself so much to them. You know,

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Speaker 2: I remember us like playing little bars and little restaurants

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Speaker 2: and stuff coming up, and at the time, it was

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Speaker 2: like three hours of like cover songs for one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty bucks, but three ways. And then they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: even give you the bar tab either. So usually we

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Speaker 2: would we would leave there and it'd be like, hey,

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Speaker 2: you owe a thirty bucks. I remember these same people too,

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Speaker 2: would be these same people that would say like, hey,

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Speaker 2: one day we're gonna like say we had Teddy come

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Speaker 2: here and saying I'm gonna be able to brag about

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Speaker 2: that forever.

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Speaker 7: You're gonna be such a star and know this, they

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Speaker 7: know this of you, but then would do that.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like, yeah, when somebody knows you're worth,

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Speaker 2: it gives you significantly less than your worth and looks

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Speaker 2: at you in the eyes. And but I also I

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Speaker 2: think that was I was accepting that for myself, you know,

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Speaker 2: and I just wanted to be heard, and I get

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Speaker 2: the little exposure from one hundred people in Covington was

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Speaker 2: more than enough to suffice for just wanting to be heard,

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Speaker 2: being able to sing was meant more to me than anything.

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Speaker 1: You know, if this the kind of the path, the

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Speaker 1: direction that you would hope and it would lead you

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Speaker 1: to yeah hell.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, to be here, to be able to

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Speaker 6: sit across from somebody who I think has made such

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Speaker 6: a path that is so specific. You know, I think

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Speaker 6: that's what every creative wants, is to be able to

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Speaker 6: have that creative control, to not have to fit into

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Speaker 6: a certain box, and to have people appreciate their music.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I would say that it led to where

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Speaker 6: we need to be.

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Speaker 1: Teddy U and Coco, you both guys. You came from

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Speaker 1: football backgrounds. Your dad put you in black football. You

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Speaker 1: heard you with the juice of the guy.

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Speaker 6: Really, I mean yes, before I knew music was like

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Speaker 6: my calling sports was, I think it was like the

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Speaker 6: the obvious choice.

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Speaker 3: You know my family, I'm the shortest in my family. Wow,

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Speaker 3: that's the way.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I think that's like the natural thing you

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Speaker 6: do with your kids. You put them in a bunch

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Speaker 6: of sports and see where they progress. And I'm so

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Speaker 6: freaking competitive right that, I just wanted to be the

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Speaker 6: greatest wherever I was.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you balled to a little bit right ahead.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, at five seven defensive linement,

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Speaker 2: it's not gonna happen. I'm so I'm so happy I

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Speaker 2: found this a little later on. You know, I think

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Speaker 2: I was in high school and I like got in

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Speaker 2: the theater with Jesse who's playing guitar, and I really

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Speaker 2: found my love for it and was like really thankful

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Speaker 2: for that, that transition of my life.

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Speaker 7: And I mean with that, I see so.

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Speaker 2: Many kids too that you know, how many like Tom

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Speaker 2: Brady's or are used there could have been in life,

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Speaker 2: you know, but maybe senior year shattered their ankle and

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Speaker 2: now their their whole life built up to this, and

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Speaker 2: their whole family's lives built up to this, and it

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Speaker 2: can be taken away just like that. So I'm grateful

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Speaker 2: I found this, this opportunity in my life to if

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Speaker 2: I if I break my arm, you know, I could still.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, a hit song.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know it's all cast.

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Speaker 1: You're about to become a first time father, correct, Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: and uh you know what the gender is. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: you want to keep it, you want to keep it

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Speaker 1: a secret.

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Speaker 2: She wants to keep it a secret for the time being.

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Speaker 2: If I drive, I would like to tell you, I

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Speaker 2: really like to tell you, but I don't know. She's

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Speaker 2: actually at the doctor right.

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Speaker 7: Now to drive.

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Speaker 1: Before I came, you were talking earlier, but you're thinking

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Speaker 1: about relocated because you want your child to have a

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Speaker 1: Southern action.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Amen, I wanted I want to yes slam, yes, I mean,

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Speaker 2: of course I'll raise so he'll have that, you know,

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Speaker 2: but you know having laying in the yard and a

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Speaker 2: trampoline and a treehouse, and you know that I want

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Speaker 2: I want that baby to run.

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Speaker 3: I feel that for real. Okay, So I heard that

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Speaker 3: you went to beauty school, cousin.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, sure did, Yeah, sure did?

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Speaker 2: Please explain, Well, my mama, My mama always did hair

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Speaker 2: coming up, so throughout my whole life, I was always

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Speaker 2: when I was a kid, pulling her hair through caps

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Speaker 2: and cut my friend's hairs and stuff.

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Speaker 3: And you would cut your friend's hair.

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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, I just look.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, I'm it's been a long time,

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Speaker 2: like it's probably been twelve thirteen years, so I wouldn't.

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't like go go to town on any even

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Speaker 7: guys right now, I wouldn't. Don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I still have it, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I used to. I used to cut all

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Speaker 2: the time. And my mom was like on the on

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Speaker 2: the thought process of if you if you wanted to

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Speaker 2: pursue music, you.

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Speaker 7: Can do hair in the meantime.

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Speaker 2: And so when I went to cosmetology school, she would

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Speaker 2: to actually go get her cosmetology teaching license so we

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Speaker 7: And so me and my mom went to speak.

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Speaker 3: Mom sound like yo rolls off?

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Speaker 7: She is, Yeah, yeah, that's what I've written on my forehead.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: That's my girl. Man, Wow, that's my first love. Man me,

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Speaker 7: that's my baby.

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Speaker 3: You know it speak of tattoos. You have the one

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Speaker 3: on your eyes too.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it is says tough love.

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Speaker 3: Now, how much did that hurt?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't hurt that much. It's like it's just the

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Speaker 2: you do feel your eyeball like bounce. You kind of

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Speaker 2: cry underneath it. It is a weird sensation. But I

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Speaker 2: was like the Carter three was like my favorite album,

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Speaker 2: like my ninth grade year. You know, I was like

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Speaker 2: some of my first parties I went to and like,

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Speaker 2: so the Carter three was like my whole life at

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Speaker 2: that time. And you know, he had the fear of God,

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Speaker 2: and I just wanted to be like little Wayne. So

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Speaker 2: you know, all I ever wanted to do, all I

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Speaker 7: You know, I was like, he's he's fucking cool.

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Speaker 3: So waite, did you ever think about rapping? Or yeah?

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Speaker 3: I did?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 7: Actually Teddy Swim started out?

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Speaker 2: Is that my first tour I did in March of

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen before I started doing covers, was was me

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Speaker 2: and my pal Addie, who plays guitar my band. We

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Speaker 2: started doing like some you know stuff. We went on

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Speaker 2: our first tour, like just rapping and he's great at it.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I'm not. I'm not hot at

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Speaker 2: it by any means I can get it done, but

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Speaker 2: you know it just that wasn't for me. I'm a singer,

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Speaker 2: you know that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask you this. After you mentioned your

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Speaker 1: girl and you're about to welcome your first child in

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Speaker 1: this crazy industry that you're in, how did you know

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Speaker 1: she was the one?

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Speaker 7: Uh well, you know see that's the same thing.

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Speaker 2: And my dear friend, our studio archer hit Kid in

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Speaker 2: my studio a couple of years ago and he's like,

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Speaker 2: you gotta hear this girl I'm working with race, and

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Speaker 2: uh so I tacked out and it's like a messager

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Speaker 2: like yo, I love you.

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Speaker 7: You're awesome. And then we met a couple of years later.

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Speaker 2: We ended a tour in uh Atlanta and she's living there,

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Speaker 2: and you know, she came to see the show and

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like I think, I think it's navigating relationships is

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Speaker 1: You tatted it from head to toe. I've never seen

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well you know from George, George, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Well, he'd always he always told me, you know, son,

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Speaker 7: He just told me, promised me not to get my

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, you.

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Speaker 7: I love out of respect, rolling over in your grave.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's like the type of relationship you guys.

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Speaker 7: Do you do?

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Speaker 1: How do you how are you going to convey to

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Speaker 2: so many times about like how it feels too. She's

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Speaker 2: you know, especially to my child that that she's I

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Speaker 2: I mean, all I know is what it's like when

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Speaker 2: you got to play it as it goes. You know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to tell that kid how to

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Speaker 2: maybe like just whatever it is, just like be you,

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Speaker 2: be you, be whatever you want to be, be it

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Speaker 7: And that's all I can really do.

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Speaker 2: But until we get there, I don't really know how

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Speaker 2: and I'm just throw wipe daddy.

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm just like.

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Speaker 3: You're white with seasoning.

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Speaker 1: Get you out here on this. And when I hear

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Speaker 1: I read where you said she's helped you more than

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Speaker 1: we see sitting on this couch today. Speak to that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 7: We all got some baggage of caring.

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Speaker 2: And she was like, look, I think what we should

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Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, okay, a little reluctant at

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Speaker 7: It was amazing.

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Speaker 2: And the next thing, you know, I get my own

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Speaker 2: I think that's the most beautiful thing about her is

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Speaker 2: and for me to find it and see it for

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, and that's that's how you do. That's

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Speaker 7: how you treat that's how your mental health. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 7: how that's how. That's how a woman does.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 7: That's a strong ass woman right there.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that. Now, coming to the stage

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Speaker 1: to perform his hit song bad Dreams from your album

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Speaker 1: I've tried everything but therapy Part two, mister Teddy swims.

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Speaker 7: Son is going down.

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Speaker 3: Tom is running now.

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Speaker 5: No one else so brown but me, steady and losing life,

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Speaker 5: steady and loads in my mind, moving shadows and crime.

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Speaker 7: With about you.

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Speaker 5: They're bringing up placing me to hi about that? No

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Speaker 7: Why k slipping in.

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Speaker 3: The bad dreams with ds on you?

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Speaker 1: When I.

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Speaker 7: No sound when I cry?

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Speaker 6: I love you.

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Speaker 5: I need you to certainly freeze from all the things

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Speaker 5: bad dreams waiting on the air the side, no sound

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Speaker 5: when I cry. I love you, ever, I need you

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Speaker 5: to certainly freeze from other things, bad dreams, all of these. Baby,

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Speaker 5: Please come around, help me settle now every shabbits can

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Speaker 5: keep slipping into bad dreams with things? Knowing you and I.

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Speaker 7: Oh sound where I cry?

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Speaker 5: I love you and I need you to certainly free

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Speaker 5: from all the things bad dreams made it on the earth,

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Speaker 7: Where I crawl.

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Speaker 5: I love you and I need you to certainly free

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Speaker 5: from all the things HOLI things.

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Speaker 6: Things.

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Speaker 7: I listen just again, Yeah here, I'm it's we.

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Speaker 1: Thank you're Teddy swims, Thank you so much for singing

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Speaker 1: your hit song bad dream from the album title I

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Speaker 1: tried everything with Therapy Part two. Yes, but you did

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Speaker 1: your thing and got my.

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Speaker 7: Sweet friend Coco. Yes, you sound amazing.

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Speaker 3: Y'all sound amazing.

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Speaker 1: Coco, I will share something with you. You probably didn't know,

485
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Speaker 1: and I know you're not old enough to know this,

486
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: but your dad and I used to work out together

487
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: in South Carolina. Wow. He's originally from South Carolina. He

488
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: played at m C State and ninety one and ninety two.

489
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: I would go back and work out with my brother,

490
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Speaker 1: who went to the University of South Carolina but lives

491
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492
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Speaker 1: the guys that played at South Carolina or lived in

493
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,760
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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know until I looked at I was looking

496
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: at the cards and I'm like, hold on, Mike Jones.

497
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: Why did that name sound familiar? So I got on

498
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 1: the phone and called my brother. I said, I says,

499
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Speaker 1: make you remember Mike Jones. He's like Mike Jones and

500
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Speaker 1: Detacker from NC State. I said, yeah, I'm sitting down

501
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: talking to his daughter. He's like he got a daughter.

502
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, Coco Jones. So another buddy of

503
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Speaker 1: ours that used to work out with us. He's like, yeah,

504
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: and she's famous. So your dad was a famous football player. Yeah,

505
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: and you played sports. You played flag football, you played basketball.

506
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Speaker 1: Was sports kind of did you want to do sports

507
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Speaker 1: or that was just something that like to pass the time?

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Speaker 6: Well, to me, it was kind of like, you know,

509
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 6: you do what your parents say you should do, and

510
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Speaker 6: I liked it.

511
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Speaker 3: I liked winning. I did not like losing. And I

512
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 3: didn't mind practice, but I ain't prefer it. But I

513
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 3: wanted to be the best. So I think at that

514
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 3: time it was kind of like, you know, you're taught

515
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: what you should do in life. You do this, you

516
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 3: go to church with this, you play a sport. I

517
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Speaker 3: would like, okay, that's fine.

518
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Speaker 6: And then I would also like in school, I would

519
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Speaker 6: do like talent shows or things like that, and like

520
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Speaker 6: the little plays.

521
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Speaker 3: And I just really liked that.

522
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Speaker 6: I really liked that feeling of being on stage. So

523
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Speaker 6: I kind of shifted naturally from sports.

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Speaker 1: Being you like being popular because you play sports, you

525
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Speaker 1: the talent shows, you could sing, you could dad, you

526
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Speaker 1: could act, you could play sports. You're like really cool. Huh.

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Speaker 3: You know what, I don't like being popular. I wouldn't

528
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Speaker 3: say that now in school.

529
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Speaker 6: When I was in real school, I did homeschool like

530
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Speaker 6: in high school, but like for work and everything. But

531
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Speaker 6: I did like being popular with the basketball girls because

532
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 6: it was giving like a cute little quick but other

533
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Speaker 6: than that, like when it comes to this world, no,

534
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Speaker 6: I definitely don't like being popular. If I could have

535
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 6: it my way, I would be like a singer in

536
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 6: a mask or something, honestly truly.

537
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Speaker 3: And I have to do no interviews, no press. They

538
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: would just buy my song.

539
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 6: I would just go on tour maybe like a hologram,

540
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 6: and then I'd go home and be normal and go

541
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Speaker 6: to the grocery store.

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Speaker 1: So if you basketball player, were you, like, let's say,

543
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Speaker 1: Candice Parker, buy your more, Caitlyn Clark, I.

544
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Speaker 3: Mean it was giving me more wwyd I don't.

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Speaker 6: I definitely wasn't eating like that, like when I remember it,

546
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 6: I was eating. But I also had like this perception

547
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 6: of myself that like I was just that girl. So

548
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Speaker 6: I don't know. My siblings like to say they like

549
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 6: to humble me, but yeah, I think actually my cousin

550
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 6: was like the girl in our family who was that

551
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 6: sports girl. So she probably was more in the realm

552
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 6: of all of the basketball girlies. But I just wanted

553
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 6: to be with the cool girls and win.

554
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Speaker 1: But you had brothers that played college ball, played in NFL,

555
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: so where they're like rival, do you rough house with them?

556
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 6: My older brother is adopted and so he was much

557
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 6: much older than all of us, and my younger brother, Nah,

558
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 6: we didn't really rival. It was kind of like we

559
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 6: all had our own separate things. And I think my

560
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 6: parents did a good job of making it feel like

561
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 6: all of our world were, you know, really important, because honestly,

562
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 6: around the time where I can like really remember what

563
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 6: sports was like, it was on the back burner because

564
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Speaker 6: I was like, singing is my thing, that's my thing,

565
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 6: you know. But now I don't feel like there was

566
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 6: any rivalry. I definitely feel like everybody's got to get

567
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 6: used to things like this, right, but not in a

568
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 6: rivalry way more and just like you know, your own

569
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 6: inner perception of what you think fame is like, and

570
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 6: what you think about people who are your friends because

571
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 6: of your sister, and what you think about me being

572
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 6: on that screen. You know, everybody's got to get their

573
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 6: own mind wrapped around it. Because we had no idea

574
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 6: how big it could be. It was just what I

575
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 6: loved and what I was willing to work hard at.

576
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 6: So my family was with it.

577
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: So once you started to like, okay, you transition from

578
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: sports and like you start singing. Were your parents like

579
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson? Were he like Richard Williams? Was he like

580
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: Earl Woods? Or was it like okay, babe, whatever you

581
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: want to do? Or did they drive you? Because I

582
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: mentioned those because they drove their kids and it benefited them.

583
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: I'm saying anything's wrong with it. I just wanted to

584
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: know what type of parents and how were they with you.

585
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 3: No, my parents did not force anything. I think.

586
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 6: To me, singing was like this treat you could dangle

587
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 6: over me, Like if I didn't do good in school,

588
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 6: we're not taking you to no audition, Like if I

589
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 6: didn't do what I needed to do, Like, no, we're

590
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 6: not gonna put our effort and time into that. If

591
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 6: I didn't rehearse, if I didn't practice, if I did

592
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 6: an audition, I ain't know my lines.

593
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 3: No, why would we take either?

594
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 6: You're not serious. So to me, it was me that

595
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 6: had to prove that I wanted it, you know. But yeah,

596
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 6: honestly it was my mom who was like my main

597
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 6: She focused and she locked in with me. She drove

598
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 6: me to all the auditions. She was my team before

599
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 6: the team and my dad did the sports world with

600
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 6: my brother and sister.

601
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 3: So I had to beg her like, please take me

602
00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 3: to Nashville again.

603
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: Because I and she's your first vocal coach, first stylist,

604
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: hair and makeup, glad manager, tour manager, co write, co producer. Yeah,

605
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: how did she help you? Because I guess she could sing?

606
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: So how did she help you? Hone in what you

607
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: needed to do to be craft what we see today?

608
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 3: I mean, my mom is such a blessing.

609
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 6: And I don't even think she knew in her own

610
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 6: life how much she was prepared for me before I

611
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 6: even got into this world. My mom did the singing route,

612
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 6: and that was of course her dream, but she didn't

613
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 6: have that supportive system. It was more like, oh, that's

614
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 6: really cute, but what are you doing for your work?

615
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 3: What are you doing for your job?

616
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 6: Her income, and so it was always on the back

617
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 6: burner for her and so to me. I think she

618
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 6: got to live out some of her childhood dreamcariously through you,

619
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 6: of course. And also my mom comes from a family

620
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 6: of women business owners. We have a funeral home that's

621
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 6: been in our family for generations.

622
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: Wow.

623
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 6: And so she knows a lot about just being a

624
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 6: good businesswoman. And she changed my name from Courtney to

625
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 6: Coco so that there could you know, that separate legally.

626
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 6: And some of the moses made some of the contracts

627
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 6: I didn't sign, and some of the performances and the

628
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 6: songs I chose, they were her looking up what's hot

629
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 6: and figuring out how to burn it onto a CD

630
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 6: and then sending that to executives. My mom like, she

631
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 6: put her back into it, and I think it was

632
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 6: half because nobody did that for her.

633
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: You know. That was what I wanted to ask, because

634
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: you mentioned all the things that she was doing, so

635
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: clearly she taught you a lot about the business of music.

636
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that the business of music. No,

637
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: we didn't know that too. We didn't know how that worked.

638
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: The industry. She taught you how this thing? Did she

639
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: teach you how this how this thing worked? Because you

640
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: mentioned that she's your first manager, your tour manager, all

641
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: these things, so obviously there's a lot it was there

642
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: a lot of trial and era because she didn't have

643
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: what you had, because you had someone helping you along

644
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: the way.

645
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think my mom taught me a lot about

646
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 6: protecting yourself. Okay, we didn't know how this industry works.

647
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 6: We didn't know, and we tried to go about things

648
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 6: the nice route, but sometimes it was like, Okay, maybe

649
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 6: they went and over there doing that shady stuff, like

650
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Speaker 6: I don't know, And so we were kind of figuring

651
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 6: it out as we go and just protecting ourselves and

652
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 6: trying to stay true to who we came to la

653
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 6: and who we came into that world as.

654
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Speaker 3: And my mom didn't know.

655
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 6: We probably knew the same amount when it came to

656
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 6: how these things work, and we didn't know how to

657
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 6: get there. But she taught me a lot about believing

658
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 6: in myself. And when I show up and go into

659
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 6: a room full of twelve executives who don't care about

660
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 6: me and just ready to go they want to go home,

661
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 6: to still be able to portray self love and belief

662
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 6: and confidence, and to hold my head up high through rejection,

663
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 6: to hold my head up high when you pass this

664
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 6: line of auditions and there's seven girls who look like you,

665
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 6: and then there's seven girls who look like them, and

666
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 6: those girls get it all the time.

667
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 3: So now you guys are looking at them like.

668
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 6: Black, you know, to still walk out and be like,

669
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 6: it's my next They don't know what they're doing, you know,

670
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 6: to figure out how to portray this world in a

671
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 6: way that made me still feel valuable, which that is

672
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 6: something I still hold so tightly to this day, because

673
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 6: this industry can make you feel like.

674
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: You know, it make you doubt yourself. Did you ever

675
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: doubt yourself?

676
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 6: I think as I got older and I got out

677
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 6: of that bubble, because I will say that I was

678
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 6: sheltered in a way. A lot of the things that

679
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 6: I would hear, the negative critiques, even the things on

680
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 6: social media. My mom ran my account and so it

681
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 6: wouldn't come to me because it wouldn't get past her.

682
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: She took a lot of that.

683
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 6: I think as I got older and I was by

684
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 6: myself because my mom had to stay and raise my

685
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 6: other siblings.

686
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: You know, she couldn't. She had given me everything she had,

687
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: and I had to go. I left.

688
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 6: I moved when I was seventeen to LA and I

689
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 6: had to figure it out. And I think that's when

690
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 6: it was harder to push back on all of that noise,

691
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 6: and it did start to affect my self worth for.

692
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: A little bit.

693
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: Were you scared being out on your own?

694
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: Was I scared?

695
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 7: Yeah?

696
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 6: At first, no, because honestly I was sheltered. So I

697
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 6: did get the party, and turn out I was having.

698
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: A good ass time. I won't even lie.

699
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 6: I didn't go to college, but I met these girls

700
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 6: through this one guy that I liked, and they were

701
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 6: like in college and we were all young and we

702
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 6: had no idea what was going on with our lives,

703
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 6: but we was here and we was up.

704
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 3: So I had so much fun.

705
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 6: I didn't even go hold you for like those first

706
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 6: two or three years living in LA But then I

707
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 6: was like, okay, wait, the partying is all cool and everything,

708
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 6: but I haven't that's about right, you know.

709
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: What I'm saying.

710
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 6: And then people are starting to get internships and they're

711
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 6: starting to like really lock into whatever path, and I'm like,

712
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 6: when am I going to get another job?

713
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: What am I gonna do?

714
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 6: And then around the pandemic time, I was like, okay,

715
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 6: what is happening with my life?

716
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: Wait a minute? Now everybody has like their plan. I

717
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: don't have a plan. What should I do? And I

718
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 3: was living off savings and so obviously as time goes.

719
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: There's no money coming in and there's money going out

720
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: pretty soon. That cloud.

721
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 6: My mom's a businesswoman. She's talking like, she's like, your

722
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 6: finances are they're getting light. You might need a pivot.

723
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 6: And so that became a part of the back of

724
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 6: my head, like do I have to give this up?

725
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 6: What would I do if I had to give this up?

726
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 6: What else could I do?

727
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: You know your parents separated at some point, correct?

728
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: Ye?

729
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: Did that play a role? Did that impact you in

730
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: any way? Negatively? Positively? I mean, how would you How

731
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: would if you were like explaining it to a child

732
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: that's potentially going through parents or separating. We got everybody

733
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: handles it differently. But if there any advice that you would.

734
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: Like to offer, any advice?

735
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean, are you close with your dad?

736
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: Me and my dad. It's funny.

737
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 6: I've always appreciated my dad for what he instilled in me,

738
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 6: But I think me and my mom spoke the same language,

739
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 6: and me and my dad once I stopped playing sports,

740
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 6: we didn't really have that common thread. And I mean,

741
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 6: he does love music. I'm not even gonna lie to

742
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 6: you so, but it'd be more on like some educational stuff.

743
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 6: I'll give him that credit. For sure, like you would

744
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 6: put me onto like old music, old things that I

745
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 6: ain't never heard before. But my mom, she saw the rejection,

746
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 6: She saw the tenacity that it takes. She understood the

747
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 6: business of sometimes singing songs you didn't like, you know,

748
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 6: and doing things you don't want. She saw the lack

749
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 6: of control that I had, and so I felt like

750
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 6: she understood me more. And as I got older, and

751
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 6: as my parents separated and everything, my relationship with my

752
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 6: dad got really strayed, really really straight, and I had

753
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 6: to figure out for myself what do I want to

754
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 6: do about that? Because I'm grateful to have a dad

755
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 6: who stayed. I'm grateful to have a dad who did

756
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 6: everything he could for us, provided for us. But now

757
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 6: I'm hearing these other things because now they're not just

758
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 6: mom and dad. That's my mom, her, that's Vonda, that's Mike,

759
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 6: and they're saying all these things, you know. So I

760
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 6: had to figure out for myself what type of relationship

761
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 6: I want with my dad, And it took me like

762
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 6: a year to figure it out. And now we're kind

763
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 6: of on this how do we start from ground zero?

764
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 6: Because I don't remember flag football practice. I don't remember

765
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 6: all I have is from sixteen seventeen when I left

766
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 6: to now.

767
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: So what now? I think the thing is for me,

768
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: my little two cents from a distance, is that you

769
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: don't try to go back and get that pick up

770
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: from now and move forward, because the one thing that

771
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: you can't recapture is time. Once it's gone, it's gone.

772
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 3: Once it's gone, it's gone.

773
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: So I think building from this point on and moving forward,

774
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: you can start a beautiful relationship with your dad.

775
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 3: I definitely would love to. I definitely would love to.

776
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 6: I've seen so many, all the women I know, and

777
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 6: all of their relationships with their dad.

778
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: They just range from high to low. But rarely is

779
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 3: it a good story.

780
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 6: Rarely, And so I hope that I can build that

781
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 6: good story for my future daughter, for myself too, for

782
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 6: my younger self. Yes, it does tink too, And my

783
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 6: dad is definitely willing. But nobody taught him how, nobody

784
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 6: taught me how.

785
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: We don't know.

786
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: It's figuring it out, figuring it out as we go.

787
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: Yeah you got we mentioned you got started early nine

788
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: years old. I think you sung at the Rams game,

789
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: yeah national anthem? Well you nervous. I do not.

790
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 6: Rememberber being nervous. I remember loving my outfits because my

791
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 6: mom took that jersey and but dazzled it herself. Hot

792
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 6: Googleun Okay, little two am at the house. But I

793
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 6: just felt like I was so cute and I was

794
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 6: ready for them to see.

795
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: I was ready to do my thing.

796
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 6: I had been performing and practicing it over and over again.

797
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 6: So yeah, I wasn't nervous, right, So.

798
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: I mean people so will say I'm sure they did

799
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: say it. Well, she just got the saying because a

800
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: dad's on a team.

801
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, I wish it was that easy, But

802
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 6: like I said, it's such a different field. I mean,

803
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 6: my dad, I'm sure he had some sort of connections,

804
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 6: but what can what can somebody in sports do for

805
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 6: something for me? I'm trying to be over here getting

806
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 6: signed to a label. You know, it didn't correlate like

807
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 6: that at all. I do think the leg up that

808
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 6: I had was starting so young, because it takes so

809
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 6: many years of failure to get to one opportunity that

810
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 6: shifts something a little bit, and you know that powder repeats.

811
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 6: So yeah, but no, I didn't have any leg up.

812
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: But you had a nice life, I mean, obviously, Mike

813
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: Neusling an NFL. Like I said, I knew your dad leave.

814
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm a year older than he is

815
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: and got started a year in the league before he did.

816
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: And so I read what you say you went to

817
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: a predominantly white high school, and so how was.

818
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 3: That middle school?

819
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, honestly, it was all I knew at the time,

820
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 6: and the black people was like related to me in

821
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 6: some in some way.

822
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, it's kind of all I knew.

823
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 6: I think it didn't really affect me at the time

824
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 6: because we were all kind of kids and I was

825
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 6: so focused on whatever I was doing that I didn't

826
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 6: it didn't affect me. And then as I got older,

827
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 6: then I was like, oh, I don't really know what

828
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 6: ch'all talking about over there, so let me get let

829
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 6: me get tapped in, you know. And then you know,

830
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 6: you find friends from different worlds and they kind of

831
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 6: put you on game.

832
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: You went on the Morrow Povid Show at twelve, Yes,

833
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: how was that? What was that experience? Like, I don't

834
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: you don't remember?

835
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 6: You know what?

836
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: I do remember? Actually?

837
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 6: Okay, so oh dang, I hate losing any capacity, and

838
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 6: so I do remember that performance because my mom told

839
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 6: me I used to feel like my mom had some

840
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 6: sort of magical powers, because when she would tell me

841
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 6: to do something and I wouldn't do it, something bad

842
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 6: would happen.

843
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: Uh oh, And I'd be like, bro, I swear you

844
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: got something going on. I don't know you.

845
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 6: She was like, you need to wake up early and

846
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 6: rehearse for that performance before you do that. That's live television.

847
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 6: And I was like, girl, please, I know what it

848
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 6: is and I know what it ain't. And I sang

849
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 6: Listen by Beyonce Bruh. I didn't practice beforehand. I didn't

850
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 6: know he was waking up that early to sing that.

851
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 6: I didn't know they filmed that early. So I sang listen,

852
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 6: and I remember I hit that high note and I

853
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 6: cracked bad. I cracked bad. But I think my mom

854
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 6: went and talked to them or something like that, because

855
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 6: I was beside myself with embarrassment. I mean, you would

856
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 6: know it because I finished the whole thing. But my

857
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 6: mom knows because we'd be like that, and I think

858
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 6: she was like, please please do that part.

859
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 3: She did not eat.

860
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: That was syrup. He was right, Mom, And then you

861
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: did me. When did you know you could act? Is

862
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: there a direct correlation between singing and acting, or acting

863
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: and singing.

864
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 6: No, I don't think there's a direct correlation because singing

865
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 6: you're not even trying. You're really just doing what you know,

866
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 6: what's inside of you, unless you know you're one of

867
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 6: those crafted artists who are doing what's being told. Acting,

868
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 6: I think it was just another thing that I wanted

869
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 6: to do at a young age, like I feel like

870
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 6: I want to be on stage, I want to do whatever,

871
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 6: And the music thing was kind of ebb and flow,

872
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 6: but auditions were like a literal job. You can submit

873
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 6: yourself for it and see if you get the job.

874
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 6: And so it just was something else that I tried.

875
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 6: But I was really bad at acting for a really

876
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 6: long time, really bad. Singing was the only one that

877
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 6: was just natural. Everything else was baddest.

878
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: So what's the hardest. The hardest audition that you've gone on?

879
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 6: The hardest audition the one that I can think about

880
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 6: that it's not in film. It was a Broadway. Really

881
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 6: that Broadway is no joke, man, because you're singing the

882
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 6: whole song and then you have to do the scripts.

883
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 6: But also you're in charge of your own outfit and

884
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 6: your own props, and then you have to hit your

885
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 6: mark and it's live. There's no there's no doing it again.

886
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 6: There's a whole audience there. So I think my Broadway

887
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 6: auditions are the ones that were the most challenging.

888
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: Have you ever got a job on? You know you? Audition?

889
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: They say, well, you got to part.

890
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: Right after that?

891
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: Yeah?

892
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: No, No, I wish.

893
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 6: I remember as a kid though, when I would go

894
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 6: in those Disney auditions, I'd be like I seen. I'd

895
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 6: be like, so, did I get it? They'd be like, girl,

896
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 6: you cannot just ask that. I'm trying to know y'all

897
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 6: be having me waiting over here for my Mama said,

898
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 6: we got two more months?

899
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: Do we gotta go back?

900
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: What's up the radio? Disney's next big thing from ten

901
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: twenty eleven? You didn't win? No, were you heartbroken?

902
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 6: No?

903
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: I wasn't heartbroken.

904
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 6: I think it's because at the time, I was just

905
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 6: so happy to be there that I was like the

906
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 6: fact that I'm even here great because it was my

907
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 6: first time, you know, doing anything big, anything outside of

908
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 6: my city where I was from. So no, I wasn't heartbroken,

909
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 6: And plus I knew I was still going to go

910
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 6: on tour. I was like the second runner up. Does something,

911
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 6: so I'll still do that.

912
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: You met Victoria Manney, you were able to work with her.

913
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: What was that experience like work with her and what

914
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: you met there at the time?

915
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, yes, Okay, So yeah, when I was

916
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 6: first signed when I was fourteen, she was one of

917
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 6: the writers that they had brought in to write on

918
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 6: my first EP.

919
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 7: Ever.

920
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 3: Yet, Okay, isn't that so crazy?

921
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 6: VI? It is so crazy? It was her and Tommy Brown,

922
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 6: Taylor Parks. But yeah, they wrote this song for me.

923
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 6: And honestly, at the time, I think everybody was like

924
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 6: super Green doing their own thing and I'm there with

925
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 6: my mom my. Mom's in the corner in the back,

926
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 6: like respucure, like what's going on? So it wasn't like

927
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 6: we were talking about anything or anything crazy like that.

928
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, that is so crazy when you meet somebody

929
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: like her and then she ends up winning a Grammy

930
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: and like you knew her back then, What is that?

931
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: What is that feeling like for you? Because it's like

932
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: you feel like you're part of it even though you didn't.

933
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: But I'm saying because you know her, you knew before

934
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: this moment.

935
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 6: I mean, I think for me to see another black

936
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 6: woman get her flowers. It's just like who a breath

937
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 6: of fresh air. And I think for what it does

938
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 6: for the future of us is also really exciting. And

939
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 6: ye have Victoria's been working a super long time in

940
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 6: it and it shows me too, so many different things

941
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 6: looking at her career.

942
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: You can write for other people.

943
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 6: You can contribute to other people's journeys and their success

944
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 6: and still have your own thing. You can be a

945
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 6: mom and still do this, you know. So it teaches

946
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 6: me a lot just watching her in all the aspects

947
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 6: of her life.

948
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: Would you be interesting or have you? Or do you

949
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: write for someone else? Or you just write for you

950
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: right now?

951
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: Currently for me, right now, just.

952
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 6: Me, because honestly that it takes so much time, ruh.

953
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 6: But you know what, if I do write a song

954
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 6: and I'm like, this doesn't really fit me, I will

955
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 6: say that, you know, to the producers and to the

956
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 6: other writers that they can shop it around, because I

957
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 6: don't want to be the reason that somebody else don't

958
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 6: pick the song, you know. But in the beginning, I

959
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 6: do think I wrote a little bit for other people,

960
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 6: but I didn't know where none of that was going,

961
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 6: you know, I'm just figuring it out as I go,

962
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 6: and so at that time, I didn't have like like

963
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 6: a publishing company behind me or anything.

964
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 3: So I was like, they're saying this for so and so,

965
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 3: and I'm like, Okay, we'll see.

966
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: Have you ever turned down a song that you're like

967
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: and somebody else did it and they got acclaimed for

968
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: it or it sounded good and you're like, maybe I

969
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: should have kept that one for myself, that's a good question.

970
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 3: Turned out a song to turn Mmm?

971
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 6: No, No. I did have this one lady record a

972
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 6: song that was one of my super old demos, and

973
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 6: I was like, if this pop off, I'm gonna know something.

974
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 3: But it's Bafley, No Shade, No He No Shade.

975
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: Taylor, James Williams and letter Shot. Everybody loved Chriss Abbit School.

976
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: What was it like to work with I mean you.

977
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 3: Just Tyler, Yeah, Tyler Tyler.

978
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 6: So we weren't that close honestly while we were filming

979
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 6: it was such a huge age gap. I was freaking

980
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 6: fifteen and he's in his like mid twenties at the time,

981
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 6: So yeah, him and Trevor, they would all go out,

982
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 6: it'd be and I was just sitting there homeschold, happy

983
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 6: to be there, so no, I mean, but I knew

984
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 6: he was super professional. He just seemed very seasoned and

985
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 6: like used to this, and I was over here like

986
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 6: a freaking deer in headlights.

987
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 3: It's happy to be there, very green.

988
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Obviously, you can do both,

989
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: you act and you sing. Is their preference?

990
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 3: Singing?

991
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: Singing?

992
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, if I could only do one forever, if I

993
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 6: only had to do one, it would be singing, I think,

994
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 6: because there's a lot more control in singing, what you're saying,

995
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 6: what you look like, and also when you do it.

996
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 6: You know, acting is like, okay, and here's your schedule

997
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 6: for the next six months, and you're going to be

998
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 6: here for twelve hours every day except this day.

999
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 3: Up it changed.

1000
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 7: Now you're here.

1001
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 6: You know, you feel like you don't really have the control.

1002
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 6: But for me, I'm like, I want to go on tour,

1003
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 6: but not in the cold. So then that means it

1004
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 6: could be in the summer. That means I need to

1005
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 6: record in the winter. You know, I can make it

1006
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 6: kind of more adjust to my life.

1007
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: So you don't like the cold, huh, No, I don't.

1008
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: I don't like the cold, but I don't like it

1009
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: extremely hot either you you said you a Vegas dog. Yeah,

1010
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: but it's only three months. And if plus, I ain't outside,

1011
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm outside to get my card and then

1012
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to day.

1013
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: No.

1014
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: Okay, Well why you say it like you ain't outside?

1015
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: Why you saying like that?

1016
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 3: I mean, you lived in Vegas?

1017
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 7: What are you doing?

1018
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: They're reading books?

1019
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm working.

1020
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: Okay.

1021
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 6: I've only been in Vegas to drink tequila and party,

1022
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 6: so I've never lived there.

1023
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: But pers uh, kid actors, I mean, we've we hear

1024
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: so many Coco, we hear so many horror stories about

1025
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: kid actors.

1026
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 6: And they're recently coming out there. Yes, I didn't hear

1027
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 6: any of this when I was started. Otherwise my mom

1028
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 6: would have pivoted so fast.

1029
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: We would have never let you. And that's the that's

1030
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: the that's the point is that you don't hear about

1031
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: it at the time. It's only when they're much older

1032
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: they tell these horror stories. Did you experience anything, Did

1033
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: you see anything like that?

1034
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 6: I didn't see anything like that, But you know what,

1035
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 6: my mom never let me out of her sight. I

1036
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 6: remember at this one time in my life, we used

1037
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 6: to butt heads so bad because I'd be like why

1038
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 6: can't I just go in there by myself, Like, why

1039
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 6: can't I do these things by myself? And at the

1040
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 6: time she was just like no, you know, and I

1041
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 6: didn't understand, But now I do understand that it's that

1042
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 6: when you're alone and you're that like young sheep with

1043
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 6: no guidance, you know.

1044
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: But my mom wasn't playing that.

1045
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

1046
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

1047
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just

1048
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: simply go back to Club Shay profile and I'll see

1049
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: you there.