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Speaker 2: What is up?

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Speaker 1: Metstub listeners back here for episode number seventy five of

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Speaker 1: the met Stub podcast. Hey, three quarters of a way

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Speaker 1: to one hundred. We're almost there. This episode, we have

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Speaker 1: no new baseball news or anything to report on. We're gonna,

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Speaker 1: you know, talk about the lockout. We got some more negotiations,

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Speaker 1: some more details about the previous labor meeting, so we'll

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Speaker 1: go over all that as we have in the past.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna answer some viewer questions. We're gonna give you

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Speaker 1: a projected lineup and rotation for the season as if

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Speaker 1: it were, you know, to start on time. We'll see,

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Speaker 1: we'll make some moves, we'll give you our lineup one

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Speaker 1: Because of course, we also know that the DH is

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Speaker 1: on twenty twenty two, and we'll just continue to talk

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Speaker 1: Mets Baseball as we do. Now here's a little fun

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Speaker 1: because that's gonna be a lot of fun. Really excited

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Speaker 1: to get that one locked in for you guys. And uh,

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Speaker 1: let's bring in James, James, how you been. I mean

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Speaker 1: I've seen you like the last two days, pretty much

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Speaker 1: all day, so I know how you've been.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you know exactly I've been. Birthday episode though,

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Speaker 2: birthday podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yes, big shout out to James twenty six, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the club.

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Speaker 2: Great. Gotta do my health care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's one of the worst things, is like

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Speaker 1: having to figure out it's like to pay for my

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Speaker 1: own health insurance. Well, you have a job, but I

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Speaker 2: That still have to pay for it. Not as much

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Speaker 2: my pocket going into health insurance of course. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Not one of the big downfalls of getting older.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's approve a birthday twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Nothing good should be going out celebrated. I gotta figure

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Speaker 2: Sent at the bar, like, fuck, we're planning my home

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Speaker 2: with sick no, ed, no, what am I doing here?

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm still holding steadfast with the original prediction

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Speaker 2: I still think it's gonna happen. I still think that

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Speaker 1: You're the Jinks. We need you to say that the

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Speaker 2: It's actually probably true. I fucked it up, but I

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Speaker 1: I prefer to have more games, but end of the day,

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah, again doing the same thing he's

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Speaker 2: you know, yeah, i'll taste thet'll taste of the labor negotiation.

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Speaker 2: But this big offer from the owners included six hundred

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Speaker 1: And that's going to be based off the war thing too,

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Speaker 2: I think they're much more concerned with how much money

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so crazy that, like, the free agency rules

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Speaker 2: We all love the game of baseball, and like we

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Speaker 2: And if you're opening days ruined, if your April's gonna

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Speaker 1: players to get a good end of the stick here.

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Speaker 1: I don't want them to get the short end. And

437
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Speaker 1: it's just it's just tough. It's tough because, like you said,

438
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Speaker 1: it's really really hard for people to get their head

439
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Speaker 1: wrapped around the idea of like the millions of dollars,

440
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Speaker 1: Like well, I would love to make six hundred and

441
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Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars a year to play baseball. It's like, yeah, Well,

442
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Speaker 1: when you watch a movie and Leonardo DiCaprio's not starring

443
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Speaker 1: any even though he's perfect for the role, do you

444
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Speaker 1: go he's a piece of shit. He didn't get paid enough.

445
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Speaker 1: He wouldn't take twenty million dollars to be Jack Reacher

446
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Speaker 1: on Amazon? Are you kidding me?

447
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Speaker 2: Well too, that's kind of like that Casey Sadler threat

448
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Speaker 2: I sent you yesterday right after the Super Bowl is

449
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Speaker 2: really good. Yeah, I'll share it right now. Some random

450
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Speaker 2: guy into whether the I'm not even gonna give him.

451
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Speaker 2: I don't know the name because he's a loser. He

452
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Speaker 2: talked about greed. They should really fix salary problems with

453
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Speaker 2: minor league baseball. But once you even touch major league baseball,

454
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Speaker 2: you start making the minimum five hundred and seventy thousand

455
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Speaker 2: dollars pro rated to the amount of days in the bigs.

456
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Speaker 2: Just a cup of coffee or a month call up

457
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Speaker 2: will make you more money than most people make in

458
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Speaker 2: a year. And Casey Sadler quotes with you this, I

459
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Speaker 2: can't believe you found this kind of cool, but he said,

460
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Speaker 2: I hate comparing because one struggle doesn't cancel another's. You

461
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Speaker 2: would think touching major league baseball will be enough, but

462
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Speaker 2: adding a paying a mortgage, a pricey short term apartment

463
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Speaker 2: because you probably have one both in your last minor

464
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Speaker 2: league team and immediately have to get one for your

465
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Speaker 2: new major league team, and the three thousand dollars you

466
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Speaker 2: make a day while in the major league roster goes away.

467
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Speaker 2: And also you cannot forget the debt from spring training.

468
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Speaker 2: So all these guys incurred debt from spring training because

469
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Speaker 2: they're not paid for it and they have to live

470
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Speaker 2: in Arizona or Florida for a month. And then again

471
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Speaker 2: people went wild because he did say three thousand dollars

472
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Speaker 2: a day, and like that does seem out of touch,

473
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Speaker 2: because three thousand dollars a day for ninety nine percent

474
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Speaker 2: of the world would be like, that'd be such an

475
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Speaker 2: insane thing. Like a lot of American especially with people

476
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Speaker 2: in our age demographic, you make three thousand dollars in

477
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Speaker 2: a month, you're doing pretty well. And then Casey Sadler said, yeah,

478
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Speaker 2: but three thousand dollars, you come up for one day,

479
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Speaker 2: you get sent down. You can't come up for another

480
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Speaker 2: ten days. Three thousand dollars is a lot of money

481
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Speaker 2: that sounds but expenses, it goes quickly, especially go along

482
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Speaker 2: with a lot of the expenses that people baseball expenses

483
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Speaker 2: that people outside baseball would not understand. It's an up

484
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Speaker 2: and down grind, and you're really thankful when you're the

485
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Speaker 2: one who can actually make it. And then you had

486
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Speaker 2: one more tweet at someone just say he's out of

487
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Speaker 2: touch again. You quote tweet he said, dang, I guess

488
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Speaker 2: that's true. But you have. You know, I worked at

489
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Speaker 2: a Vitamin World in the off season to pay me

490
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Speaker 2: and my wife's bills, and my twelve thousand dollars a

491
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Speaker 2: year salary was not cutting it. My wife also worked

492
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Speaker 2: three jobs. I did baseball lessons on the side. We

493
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Speaker 2: bought a seventy thousand dollars fore closed single family home

494
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Speaker 2: because a mortgage was less than rent, and we still

495
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Speaker 2: had to apply to the government for food assistance. Dam

496
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Speaker 2: It's like a lot of these fringe Major League Baseball players,

497
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Speaker 2: and we've said every year numbers between sixty to eighty

498
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Speaker 2: percent of the players who are on the minimum salary.

499
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Speaker 2: You really struggle to make ends meet, and it kind

500
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Speaker 2: of gets lost in the narrative and lost in the media,

501
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Speaker 2: and lost among just the general population or not really

502
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Speaker 2: involved in this game of the day in day out

503
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Speaker 2: basis that it's tough. It is a struggle. It's really hard,

504
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Speaker 2: and you're gonna lose a lot Bajor League Baseball players

505
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Speaker 2: if they don't get some slight benefits here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, of the listeners that we have, I would say,

507
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Speaker 1: what maybe five to ten percent actually know who Casey

508
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Speaker 1: Sadler is as well, Like, think about how many of

509
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Speaker 1: those guys exist. There are a lot more of those

510
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Speaker 1: than like the JD. Davises of the world.

511
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Speaker 2: Blankenhorn last year, he never got his car from Oklahoma City.

512
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Speaker 1: Dude was hopping around to four different teams for different cities.

513
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Speaker 1: Imagine that too, if you're a guy who gets traded

514
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Speaker 1: a couple times during that year. I mean, there's not

515
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Speaker 1: many places that are gonna give you a really cheap

516
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Speaker 1: rate for a one month rent.

517
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Speaker 2: Especially if you're getting traded from the Dodgers to the

518
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Speaker 2: Mets while you're still in Triple A and you were

519
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Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, probably didn't get housing there. Maybe you're

520
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Speaker 2: staking a hotel during your home games. You had a

521
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Speaker 2: house in Oklahoma City cause that's where you started the season,

522
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Speaker 2: you wind up in Syracuse, and then you end up

523
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Speaker 2: popping up and down with Syracuse in New York for

524
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Speaker 2: the next couple of months. Like that's a crazy, insane

525
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Speaker 2: lifestyle for someone who when you're down not in the

526
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Speaker 2: major league team, you're making a couple hundred bucks, Yes,

527
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Speaker 2: and maybe for the.

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Speaker 1: Week and again, like I don't think any of these

529
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Speaker 1: players really want like a woe is me? Like I

530
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Speaker 1: that touch thing is like definitely ridiculous overreaction. But the

531
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Speaker 1: idea is that like, yes, while this would be a

532
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Speaker 1: lot of money to you, like I don't think you're

533
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Speaker 1: really thinking about it like you should be. There's a

534
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Speaker 1: lot more intricacies than it's six hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Well, not really act, not.

536
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Speaker 1: Actually how it works.

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Speaker 2: And one of the things that there was proposed in

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Speaker 2: this last proposal was the fact that you could only

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Speaker 2: send players up and down now maximum five times during

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Speaker 2: a season, so at least you would guarantee that player

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Speaker 2: a couple more days of making that money. Maybe you

542
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Speaker 2: can clear thirty thousand dollars in the season. Yeah, and

543
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Speaker 2: then and then you got to figure out the rest

544
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Speaker 2: of your year because you can't get paid the off season.

545
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Speaker 1: No games, no like it. Again, this these labor negotiations

546
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Speaker 1: are for the little guys. It's not for Mike Child,

547
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Speaker 1: it's not for Garrett Cole, Jacob de Gram, It's not

548
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Speaker 1: for those guys. It's for the Luis Ki or mean

549
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Speaker 1: Is it's or the Travis Blanket Horns. It's for all

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Speaker 1: the guys who are shuttling up and down on those

551
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Speaker 1: minor you know, the minimum contracts. You gotta gotta keep

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Speaker 1: out for those guys, because again they are the sport

553
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Speaker 1: a King Bostick, Yeah, King Bostick. That guy literally was

554
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Speaker 1: up for a day so he got his three thousand

555
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Speaker 1: dollars and he was definitely shuttled around all throughout the miners.

556
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Speaker 1: And you make no money in the miners, He make

557
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Speaker 1: zero dollars. It just goes to rent and food basically.

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Speaker 2: And he's probably only like Chapotlee McDonald's at that point,

559
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Speaker 2: depending on what city you're saying. If if anyone does want

560
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Speaker 2: to keep closer tabs on this, then Mark and I

561
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 2: can give there's a couple of really good accounts to follow.

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Speaker 2: Eugene Friedman is a labor lawyer. He's been the king

563
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Speaker 2: of this whole thing. I think his followercounts like quadruple

564
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Speaker 2: since it started, and he fucking deserves it because he's

565
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Speaker 2: a great killer. He gives very real and clinical and

566
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Speaker 2: legal practical takes on every single thing that's happened. Maury Brown,

567
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Speaker 2: also who writes for Baseball perspectives been on top of it,

568
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Speaker 2: and who I mentioned before, Travis Sauchik. He he's also

569
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Speaker 2: on top of it too. He actually wrote an incredible

570
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Speaker 2: book called The MVP machine, which is about how these

571
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Speaker 2: players are valued in terms of owners and what money

572
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Speaker 2: needs to go into having an exceptional basse talent on

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Speaker 2: a roster.

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Speaker 1: As Steve Cohen said, right draft picks, it's almost impossible

575
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Speaker 1: to not make your money back on those guys.

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Speaker 2: So that's stupid not to sign them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the players should be just coming with

578
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Speaker 1: that tweet. They should just print it out and hand

579
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Speaker 1: it to them. Look at this, You make money on

580
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Speaker 1: guys who never touched the major sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Thanks man.

582
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Speaker 1: It sucks, It really sucks.

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Speaker 2: It is absolutely brutal. It's so terrible that we have

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Speaker 2: to sit here at February fourteenth because one of the

585
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Speaker 2: things that usually gets through February. We said it last time.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's a tough month. You get the Super Bowl and

587
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 2: there's nothing for the rest. You usually get that pitches

588
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 2: and catches, the sprinkle of baseball, and that keeps everything moving.

589
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Speaker 2: You see the sun in Florida on TV, You're like, okay, nice.

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Speaker 1: It'll be really cool to ask Trevor May next episode

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Speaker 1: his thoughts on some of this stuff, because he's been

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Speaker 1: pretty vocal on social media, on Twitch and everything. And

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Speaker 1: I would I would love to hear how he feels

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Speaker 1: as a player, because that would be a cool insight

595
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Speaker 1: that maybe you wouldn't get through like regular media.

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Speaker 2: I would love to hear whichever might have to say.

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Speaker 2: I'm very happy that we were able to lock that down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that was cool. That was I said to like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you ready to go. I tried to get him for today.

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Speaker 1: If you guys, yeah, you don't know the story. I

601
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Speaker 1: was like, hey, you ever any chance today? He's like,

602
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Speaker 1: how about next week? I was like, that works. Locketted. Yeah,

603
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in Texas doing it. We're not gonna

604
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Speaker 1: have the good set up, but hey, we're gonna have

605
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Speaker 1: a good mic. We're gonna be clean, all right. Switching

606
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Speaker 1: gears here on the second half of the Mets the Podcast,

607
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Speaker 1: let's actually start talking about the Mets here. We asked

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Speaker 1: for some viewer questions and we got some really good ones,

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Speaker 1: really good ones, really really good ones. I think the

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Speaker 1: one we're gonna start off with first is gonna be

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Speaker 1: about projected lineup and rotation going into the season. Now,

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Speaker 1: this involves trades, this involved signings, this involves the current players.

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Speaker 1: It's not the roster that is currently built today. But

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Speaker 1: what we think the roster is going to look like

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Speaker 1: on opening day. So we're gonna give you one through

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Speaker 1: nine in the order, the positions, all that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 1: as well as one through five in the rotation. So James,

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Speaker 1: you want to start it off where you want to go.

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Speaker 1: You want to go pitching first, hitting first.

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Speaker 2: I'll be good to go hitting first, because I just

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Speaker 2: based on the way I think the season's gonna start,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that the Mets are gonna really rock

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Speaker 2: the boat very much on the hitting side, especially relative

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Speaker 2: to pitching.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I honestly I don't have any really new players,

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Speaker 1: and on the hitting side as.

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Speaker 2: Much I was hoping you because I wasn't going to as.

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Speaker 1: Much as I would love to throw a Chris Bryan

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Speaker 1: or a Kyle Schwarber in there, I think that'd be fun.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just can't see it right now.

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Speaker 1: It feels a little bit more difficult, especially now with

632
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Speaker 1: the DH being open to everyone. Kyle Schwarber's market just

633
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: got a lot more competitive, Nelson Cruz market just got

634
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Speaker 1: a lot more competitive. And honestly not interested in being

635
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Speaker 1: in a bidding war for a DH. It's just not

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Speaker 1: part of my you know how we're built, especially with

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Speaker 1: we have guys that can play it.

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Speaker 2: Oh. I said this over and over again on this podcast,

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Speaker 2: on other people's shows, every single place. On to the

640
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Speaker 2: Sun I said extensively. Also last week on Tim Riders

641
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Speaker 2: podcast Simply Amazing, I talked about it almost ten entire

642
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Speaker 2: men's without him even getting a breath hit the fact

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Speaker 2: that as the Mesal lineup currently is constructed in the roster,

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Speaker 2: we can't take on a pure DH. We need more

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Speaker 2: guys who play defense. There's only like six guys an

646
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Speaker 2: entire roster can't play defense right now, even a little bit,

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Speaker 2: and almost all of them playing in the outfield.

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Speaker 1: So we want to start off with the leadoff? Will

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Speaker 1: just go one by one? I guess yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean I'll just I'll ride by nine and you'll

651
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: ride your nine. Okay, we'll see that's any difference, because

652
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Speaker 2: I have probably one major difference to a lot of

653
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: other people. Don't think if it was me, this roster

654
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: would read Neimo Lindoor, Alonzo Marte Cano, Canha Escabar McNeil McCann. Ye.

655
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Speaker 1: I don't hate it. I know what you're doing there.

656
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: That's the Marte hitting fourth like the Rays do with

657
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: Margo second lead off. I see what you're thinking there.

658
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: And also the fact that if I had to pick

659
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: the better like because I think brand Neimo should hit

660
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: lead off, even though I don't know if he's the best,

661
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: one of the best pure hitter in the scene, but

662
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: he's that rare except exception to the rule of like

663
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: you should basically be thinking your best hitters as close

664
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Speaker 2: to the top of the lineup as possible. He just

665
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: gets on base so much they probably outweighs that. And

666
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Speaker 2: if I'm looking at Marte, Lindor and Alonzo and I'm

667
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 2: thinking who do I want to have the most at

668
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: bats by the time this season's over, it's definitely Lindor

669
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Speaker 2: and Alonzo head of Marte.

670
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's pretty good. That's pretty good. I think

671
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Speaker 1: we're fairly similar. So for me, I went Nimo leading

672
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: off playing left field, Marte hitting second, number two. I

673
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: love Marte thinking that he could be a number two guy,

674
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: Lindor three. I think Lindor in the three hole, especially

675
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: with the guy behind him in Pete Alonzo, would be

676
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: a nice little boost his game. He's been so patient

677
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: right that last season. There's a lot of times he's

678
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get that walk and get Pete

679
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: up in the first inning. I feel like, so I

680
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: got Pete him four because again Lindor really patient. Last

681
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: year we saw that improvement. Five Mark Kanna. No, I'm

682
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: doubling up on the righties, but I just think he

683
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: is like the fifth best hitter in this lineup right now.

684
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: Sixth DH Robinson Cano, seventh, Eduardo Escobar, eighth Jeff McNeil,

685
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: ninth James McCann. So to me, I didn't do the

686
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: full lefty righty flip flop. I kind of went with

687
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: just like who I think right now are the best

688
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: hitters on this team and kind of just went one

689
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Speaker 1: through nine. I could see some changes here though, without

690
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: a doubt.

691
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: Definitely, And I think there's a chance that we entered

692
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: this season without one of either J. D. Davis or

693
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: Dominick Smith or Robinson Cano on the roster, and that

694
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: would again, that would open up an opportunity to sign

695
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: someone who could be more DH forward, maybe not entirely

696
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: DH like Nelson Cruz, but someone who is more of

697
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 2: a hitter than a fielder. As of right now, it

698
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: just really lines up to Robinson Cano, being the Mets

699
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: DH on opening Day, which a lot of people probably

700
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: don't totally want to hear.

701
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and at least to face the right handed pitching

702
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: against lefties. It's gonna be, Jennie Davison has to be, and.

703
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: It should be. And I think there is a world

704
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: where Dominic Smith can improve and hit better, go return

705
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 2: to a place that we've seen him be before, and

706
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: become the primary DH instead of Robinson Cano.

707
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: Especially if Cano like looks like an old man. Although

708
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: he looked good the Mimican Winter League.

709
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: He hit some singles. He hit some singles, it took some,

710
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: he took some walk scenes strike out very much. But

711
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: this whole thing's gonna be very subject to maneuvering. Makes

712
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: I think the Mets are gonna make a lot of

713
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 2: small moves on this side of the ball before the

714
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: season starts and the crazy frantic period we're going to

715
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: have between the lockout being lifted and the season started.

716
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: I think the Mets are gonna acquire a lot of

717
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: small and like niche players.

718
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: Jonathan Vr.

719
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone like Vr. Someone had someone on my list

720
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: today I totally forgot was a free agent. Who is it?

721
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: Oh like Nico Goodrum. Yeah, Fam McCutcheon like guys like that,

722
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: Donovan Solano, Brad Miller, players like that are going to

723
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: be added to this roster and kind of beef up

724
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: the Triple A team as well. But I think that

725
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: you have the core of hitters the Mets have or

726
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: the ones we're gonna go into the season with.

727
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then on terms of pitching side rotation, I'll

728
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: get it started off this time. De gram Scherzer. You

729
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: know if you've been listening to this podcast, So I'm

730
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: putting at number three, it's Carlos Rodon go and get him,

731
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Speaker 1: get him right now, and then we'll go with Taiwan

732
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: and Carlos Carrasco as a four or five.

733
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm very similar to you because I do

734
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: think the Mets are gonna go get Rodan. So my

735
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: five is de gram Scherzer, Rodin Kukuci another one another.

736
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: I think he's a Boris guy, right, I think so,

737
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: Yepkuchi is a Boris guy. So then that's gonna double

738
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: up on Boris' clients. Make it the three headed Bors

739
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: pitching monster for the offseason, and then Taiwan Carrasco depending

740
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: on how those guys shake out. Depending out the year

741
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: shakes out, we will if the Grom's gonna start the

742
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: year going about Carrasco, Taiwan, keep the load off all

743
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: these guys. Maybe do is a little six man rotation

744
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: with Tyler r McGill being the swingman gets his five

745
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: six innings a week. But I do think that the

746
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: Mets are gonna spend a significant amount of money to

747
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: improve the starting rotation before the season starts, no matter

748
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: what happens or when it starts.

749
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you told me what earlier this week. You think

750
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: Rodnan's a fifty to fifty shot, which I like that.

751
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty good odds if you're the Mets,

752
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: especially like when really at the end of the day,

753
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: like money is not on issue, if it is fifty

754
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: to fifty, we kind of win that definitely.

755
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: And I think that if you're more willing to take

756
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: on risk, especially in the case of Rodin, you will

757
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: win that because if you are willing to give Rodin

758
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: the twenty two million dollars a year for three or

759
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: even possibly four years, as scary as that seems, I

760
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: do think that is what's going to take at least

761
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: four for ninety because I so. I did see another

762
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: one of our our listeners ask what years and money

763
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: would look like for Rodin.

764
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think he's got to get at least

765
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Speaker 1: at the absolute minimum, it's gonna be twenty million, maybe

766
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: a little bit longer if it's gonna be that twenty

767
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: million number, and then a little bit higher if he's

768
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Speaker 1: going shorter term. But I think probably Rodin wants to

769
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: be locked up somewhere for a good piece of time.

770
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: I or him, I would be I mean, especially playing

771
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: with this year to year roast beef elbow thing. But

772
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: I think you just if you do get Carlos Roddan,

773
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: you kind of have to bank him this year for

774
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: I would say one hundred and twenty innings. You're gonna

775
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: be getting one hundred and twenty really solid innings, possibly

776
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: spectacular innings for some of those. But I don't think

777
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: that you're signing Carlos for Rodin as a workhorse. I

778
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: think that's why if you do sign Rodin and you

779
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: do give him that money, you do have to sign

780
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: a guy behind him, and you can't trust to give

781
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: you winnings, whether that be Kakuchi or Paneda or Tyler Anderson.

782
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: Or some real non sexy names.

783
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: Yes, oh mall when you know Milqueto Davies like really disgusting.

784
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: Maybe again, or if you want like package two risks together,

785
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: do like Rodn, Danny Duffy, Rodn, Matthew Boyd, Jacob Junas,

786
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: Vince Velasquez, your boy Drew Smiley, Like you do have

787
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: to put Rodin like in a sandwich with somebody else.

788
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: You can't just get like a turkey and bread. Yeah,

789
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: maybe there's some there's some cheese in there with the mayo.

790
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: Well mi little lettuce, some good ruffage.

791
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: Get it all together. You can't just you kind of

792
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: have to think about Rodin as like a short a

793
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: short term starting pitcher. That's kind of the way baseball

794
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: is going anyway. So it's got everyone's recalibrate.

795
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I do think with that team, the way

796
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: that both of us have put it together, I mean

797
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: we're relatively similar. Go go figure. The guys who talk

798
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 1: about the Mets all the time are pretty similar. None

799
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: of us have crazy takes, which probably would make for

800
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: better content if one of us was really just out

801
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: of out of nowhere.

802
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: All those Korea they're based New York Mets Trevor story,

803
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: We're gonna move them to a second base, Like, yeah,

804
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: it would be fun. One of your listeners out there

805
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: did ask us the percentage chance that Carlos career would

806
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: be a Met I would say.

807
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: Just say five.

808
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: So fine, Like, okay, there you go, So put the

809
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: middle three and a half.

810
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: It's like, whatever the percent of a scratch off is

811
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: to hit, you know, I'll give that.

812
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: For whatever percent that we would win our bets, whatever

813
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: percent that would be.

814
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: Yes. And then we also got a really fun question

815
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: that I think is worth talking about here. And this

816
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: is gonna be creating a Mets pitcher using different pitches,

817
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: but you can't double up from the same picture for

818
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: multiple pitches. Was that explained?

819
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think it was. Let's try it again. Basically,

820
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: you could, you could pull you could create a starting

821
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: repertoire out of any Mets pitchers pitches.

822
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: Yes, but you can't can't.

823
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 2: You can't use one pictures pitches. You can't use multiple

824
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: of one pitchers pitches.

825
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: Correct, there it is. That's a better explanation.

826
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 2: I do want to ask Trevor made this later too,

827
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: because I think that would be kind of sick to

828
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: hear him talk about it. Oh, he sees these guys

829
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: more close.

830
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I would love to hear him. So, uh,

831
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: fastball go and James, it has to.

832
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: Be Jacob Grim. Yeah, I mean it has to be insane.

833
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: Now. I will say this based on like I was

834
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: looking at other pitches right of, like guys on this team.

835
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: I almost considered giving the fastball to Edwin Diaz and

836
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: not Jacob taking that too, or Trevor Bay because de

837
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: Grams slider is just like simply the best slider in

838
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: baseball by like a pretty wide margin, had like a

839
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: whift rate of almost sixty percent last year, which is

840
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: insane to say out loud. And I was like, as

841
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: good as his fastball is, like it's not something we've

842
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: never seen before, it's just de Gram is that good.

843
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 1: He makes it that good kind of thing. So like,

844
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: do I want to lose a little on the fastball

845
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: to have just buy and large the best slider in

846
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: the game. That was that was the thought in my head.

847
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: Definitely, I honestly was thinking about that too, but in

848
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: the reverse because I know that de Gram's fastball is

849
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: sick of shit and the slider is also incredible, but

850
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: we have two of probably the other fifteen best sliders

851
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: in baseball on this team, between Max Scherz and Edwin Diaz.

852
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: It's such for this exercise that our three best pitcher,

853
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: three most talented pitchers, all three of their best pitches

854
00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: are the same.

855
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: Yes, they're all the same. Dumb Then throw like a sinker,

856
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: throw a cutter in there, and we have.

857
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: To We're gonna have to lose one of these one

858
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: of these guys pitches. So I have to ask you

859
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: if who's slider would you take between? Well, you get

860
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: to you get a fastball in the slider. The gram

861
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: sures Er Diaz, like, which picture are you leaving off

862
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: that list?

863
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: I took diaz slider.

864
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 2: Oh, for sure, I took.

865
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: I took it over Schusers. And the reason being kind

866
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: of kind of goes into what I said before, because

867
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: Surezer has a pretty nasty change up and it was

868
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: pretty devastating last year, did really well. So I ended

869
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: up taking his change up because there was no one

870
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: that the Mets really had that threw a great change

871
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: up last year.

872
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: Interesting, I kind of like, not a great change up

873
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: last year, But I still like Carlos Carrasco the picture

874
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 2: he is and the picture he's always been and I

875
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: have always loved Carlos Carrasco's change up. His change up

876
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: was one I was actually going to probably take if

877
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: it were me. Okay, that's what I was, Yeah, and

878
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: I was good. I was gonna try and pair that

879
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: change up because when you're when you're kind of creative

880
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 2: and repertoire here, you want all the pitches to at

881
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: least work off of each other in a way to

882
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 2: where the hitters will not be able to identify which ones.

883
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: And I thought Carrasco's changeup would have worked really well

884
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: off of time. I wants two seamer, Yeah, I did.

885
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: You kind of have reverse moving actions there.

886
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we also don't have many picks for two

887
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: seamer left on this team, but yeah, I Taiwan there.

888
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: And the last pitch that I was even thinking about

889
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: at all, which will go really well off the de

890
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: gram or Das fastball, is, of course, Seth Lugo's curveball.

891
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the only choice. If you're a Mets fan,

892
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: you know who had the best curve ball by far?

893
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: That was Rich Chill Rich Hill's curveball. If he was

894
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: still here.

895
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: True, he's not the Mets, which was still on the Mets.

896
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: That should be where's Rich Chill? Is he on a

897
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: team Red Sox? Oh?

898
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he talked about that extensively in like November.

899
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: Dude, that was twenty twenty one, that's a year ago.

900
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 2: I said that like three straight episodes that we need

901
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: Rich Hill back on the Mets, and people were giving

902
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 2: me shit for that Twitter.

903
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: I would love Rich Hill back on this team. He

904
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: would be such the oat meal we need. I did

905
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: have one more pitch though, what's that cutter who Drew Smith?

906
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: Smith had a pretty good cutter last did a really

907
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: good cut had like I think, like thirty whiff rate

908
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: on his cutter last year. So like me, Drew Smith's

909
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: cutter in there with a botch by us that we

910
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: let him go on another Mets podcast be four hours.

911
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: I know, we really really messed that one up, fucked

912
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: it up. We didn't ask him, Yeah we didn't, we didn't.

913
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: You gotta shoot your yeah, shot the shot. Whichevor may,

914
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: to be fair, have a slight relationship friendly with him,

915
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: so that probably helped. But you shot your shot. You

916
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: That's how you find out if you can get people

917
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: or not.

918
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: That's all good though, so, But at the end of

919
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: the day, here my Mets best pitcher put all together,

920
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: is the the ground fastball, the Shires are slider, the

921
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 2: Taiwan two seam, the Carrasco change, and the Lugo curve.

922
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. So my five pitches are the the ground fastball,

923
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: the DS slider, the Shares are change up, the Lugo curveball,

924
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: and the Drew Smith cutter.

925
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: NIC's all right. I like that we had Actually were

926
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: a little bit different there, much more different than we

927
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: usually are in any of the things that we talk about.

928
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, he's usually pretty much on the same

929
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: page here. Let's also, I guess, talk about what was

930
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: one of the more fun questions that we got asked?

931
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: Although I just saw you raise your eyebrows, do you

932
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: have something to tell me?

933
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, but as well, just kill it

934
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: because I think the next one these research I've never

935
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't have research it enough.

936
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: Okay, well you know what, then let's do this one then,

937
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: because I think there's another really good one. Last question

938
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: by Panda king og if you can pick one player

939
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: to play to their fullest potential next season on the

940
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Mets who is it? And that one it's a real

941
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: that's a real thinking man's question right there, because I

942
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: know we've seen the grom basically play to the fullest

943
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: of his potential, and as much as it's great for

944
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: us to watch, it doesn't really matter for the Mets,

945
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: almost like it keeps us competitive. So like I feel

946
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: like that's probably an answer a lot of people would

947
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: throw out there, but like is that.

948
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: The right one? And I was also thinking about this

949
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: question in terms of fullest potential, Like it's about what

950
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: we actually expect the guy to do versus what his

951
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 2: potential is. Like I can say, yeah, I want Francisco

952
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 2: Lindor to play to his fullest potential. But the difference

953
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 2: there is like one war, Yes, next year is gonna

954
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: put up like four and a half war, five war,

955
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: his false potential is like six six and a half. Yeah,

956
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: same thing with Pete, Like Pete's gonna probably put up

957
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: a four to five wins season. Is Falals is like

958
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: just a little bit more than that. It's like fullest potential.

959
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: Like I think you have to probably look at either

960
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: this you can set kind of funny because these two

961
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: guys that make fun of all the time, but it

962
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: would be probably either Robinson Cano or Dominic Smith. Like

963
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: imaginef Dominic Smith was just the best hitter in baseball again,

964
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: like he was in twenty twenty. He had fifteen percent

965
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: barrel rate and he had fifty extra base hits, like

966
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: that would be one of the most incredible things that happen.

967
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: And you just got krossh Warbur for free. Like we're

968
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: talking about real falst potential, Like if any mega played

969
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: to his falset potential the best he could ever possibly be.

970
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna pick Dominic Smith.

971
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm I really still don't know where I

972
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: would go because, like you said, like with the Lindor thing,

973
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: like yeah, he can play better and he can make

974
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: a bigger impact, but like does that actually really move

975
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: the needle Pete, you can't pick him. There's just no way.

976
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: No, they're too those guys are too their medium expectation,

977
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: like their fiftieth percentile is basically too close to their

978
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: one hundred. Like you kinna have to think about like

979
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: with the likelihood that this guy does X, And it's

980
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: like within baseball, especially fancy baseball, the way I like

981
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: to think about things, like what's this guy's like fiftieth

982
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: percentile of expectation was his twenty fifth, what's the seventy

983
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: fifth and what's his hundredth You're almost never gonna get

984
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: to your hundred. The hundred, I guess was like kind

985
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: of about Tamy last year. But then once you do that,

986
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 2: once you kind of change the grade of what you

987
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: can score on. And like just Pete and Lindore and

988
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 2: Marte and even Nimo, like their fiftieth percents are so

989
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: solid that doesn't move the needle of that much if

990
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: you get that guy to one hundred again, like Dom

991
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: or even a guy like Carrasco. Like imagine if this

992
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: year Carrasco there was a hund eighty innings, he wins

993
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: fifteen games with three three or eight two hundred and

994
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: twenty strikeouts.

995
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's went division. That's where I was kind

996
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: of heading, was Carlos Carrasco is because like I know,

997
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: he's like so much older now, and he's got the

998
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: injuries and all this kind of stuff, but like we

999
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: aren't too insanely far away from him being a really

1000
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: really good pitcher in Major League Baseball, like a top

1001
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: twenty five guy, and while he is older and he's

1002
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, slower and a little bit

1003
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: more beat up. Like you said that if he threw

1004
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty innings, which like his fullest potential

1005
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: is probably one hundred and eighty innings, right, and you

1006
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: would imagine that if he's throwing one hundred and eighty innings,

1007
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: they're probably pretty good one hundred and eighty innings. I

1008
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be getting shelled out there for

1009
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty innings like that could be the

1010
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: difference between the Mets being a wild guard competing team

1011
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: and running over the first place in the National League East.

1012
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, which really is not that long ago.

1013
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: Feels like it was a very long time ago, but

1014
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: it's not that long ago. And again since then, Carlos

1015
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: Carrasco's had a torn hamstring, bone chips and his elbow

1016
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 2: and leukemia. So this is not lot. Lot has happened.

1017
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: This guy's likely he won seventeen games, he made thirty

1018
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: two starts, one hundred and ninety two winnings, a three

1019
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: three eight ERA, and a twenty nine point five strikeout rate,

1020
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: so about five takes above league average. I'm not saying

1021
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: that you're gonna get thirty one year old Carlos Carrasco again,

1022
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 2: but talk about fullest potential. If any met this year

1023
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: could play their fullest potential like that, that has to

1024
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: be where it goes.

1025
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: I think I think Dom again, Yeah, I think him

1026
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: and Don might be the two best answers, Like, you

1027
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: can't pick McCann because McCann's full's potential is again same thing,

1028
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: like not much higher a.

1029
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: Two win player.

1030
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: I like, could you pick McNeil? Do you think McNeil

1031
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: could be a pick here?

1032
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 2: McNeill's potentially a pick because I guess because his false

1033
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: potential is hitting what like three thirty with twenty homers.

1034
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: That's a pretty sick, really good defense. Yeah, Like that's

1035
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: actually he actually could be the move too, because you're

1036
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: looking at the guy who's like a stable like two

1037
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: win player.

1038
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he could be.

1039
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: Like a five and a half win which.

1040
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: Is like that's moving the new he was an All

1041
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: Star that year, like he would be one of the

1042
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: best second basemen that might be the winner for the

1043
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: hitting side of it.

1044
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: That's moving the team's need, especially because he could play

1045
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: the field even Don plays to his false POTENTI he's

1046
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: never gonna step foot in the outfield grass and never never.

1047
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: Well, god forbid he steps foot in the outfield grass again.

1048
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: Please know the only time ever I'd be okay with

1049
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: buying outfield tickets for a game.

1050
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: But literally, like I think McNeil carrasco uh dom even

1051
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: because of offensively, like having his bat gone last year

1052
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: really did hurt us a lot. That was that was

1053
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: a huge hole in the lineup.

1054
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, but everyone's bat was gone last year.

1055
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: It's true.

1056
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: How many runs scored do you think Peele Alonzo had

1057
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 2: last year? How many runs do you think he scored?

1058
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I feel like a good player scores

1059
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: like anywhere from like eighty to one hundred, So it's

1060
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: gotta be lower than that seventy.

1061
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: That was pretty close it was. It was eighty one. Dom,

1062
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: He's Pete scored eighty one runs. And that was a

1063
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: guy who had six hundred and thirty seven play appearance.

1064
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: Isn't a three forty four on base percentage? Yeah, that's

1065
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: good score hitting second or third than new or there.

1066
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 2: Every single day he scored eighty one runs. His entire

1067
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: Mets lineup took a time and shit last year in

1068
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: a really really important way, and that killed them the

1069
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: entire fucking season.

1070
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: Oh you know, you know who else could be a

1071
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 1: fun pick if anybody on this Mets team could play

1072
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: their fullest potential. Francisco fucking Alvarez, if you could just

1073
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: come up and play to his fullest potential in the

1074
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two season. Oh my god, we're doing things.

1075
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: That's funny because Dan's Zimbrowski. He runs the Zips projection

1076
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: method on a fangrass, which prove gonna be a very

1077
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: good projection system year over year, especially in terms of

1078
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 2: multi year projections, which is the only projection system that's

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Speaker 2: publicly available that does that, and he actually has for

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Speaker 2: three years down the road. Francisco Oliver is already being

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Speaker 2: a three and a half win player for this year.

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Speaker 2: Francisco Whoiverers was a major league baseball player, He has

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Speaker 2: him as a one point five win player hitting twenty

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Speaker 2: home runs in the major leagues if he played this

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Speaker 2: year only two twenty average, but hitting inning twenty home

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Speaker 2: runs in the major leagues this year as a catcher.

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Speaker 2: So imagine Francisco Alivers this year hit twenty five homers

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Speaker 2: and two point fifty while playing league average defense. Gary,

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Speaker 2: that's the best season Gary Sanders almost ever had.

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Speaker 1: That would be Uh, that's an outside pick for sure,

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Speaker 1: but I think we definitely hammered it down with McNeil

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Speaker 1: carrasco dom those guys. They make more sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this thing really appreciate the listeners helping us

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Speaker 2: out with some really interesting questions today, So more of

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Speaker 2: the roles are gonna get to next week. Some are

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Speaker 2: gonna actually ask Trevor May really helping us out in

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Speaker 2: a time and when there's no real baseball talk about

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Speaker 2: the fact that we can literally make things up for

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Speaker 2: like thirty minutes and have it be interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, keeps the conversation going. We actually get to

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Speaker 1: talk about the Mets, which you guys know we'd love

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Speaker 1: to do. As you've listened to now seventy five episodes

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Speaker 1: of this podcast. Kind of crazy to say out loud

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Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, having been a year, not even been

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Speaker 1: a year seventy five. Hopefully we have baseball news coming

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Speaker 1: to you soon. If not, we'll still be here every

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Speaker 1: week for the Mets Stuff Podcast. Make sure you guys

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Speaker 1: are following us on all our social media at metstup

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel, metsup podcast. Follow James on Twitter at jater

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Speaker 1: had No Range, Follow me at draftneck Mark, Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: Following us there Trevor May next episode first MLB players

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Speaker 1: set up man for the New York Mets. Trevor May

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Speaker 1: excited to have him on. I've spoken to him a

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Speaker 1: couple of times. He's great on the bike, so it

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Speaker 1: should be a great listen for you guys. And that's

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Speaker 1: where we'll wrap it up for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: Happy birthday, James. Make sure you guys sweet hi, happy birthday,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see you on the next episode that Mets

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Speaker 1: the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Peace out, Peace up, guys, Thanks for listening.

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