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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, December twenty fourth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,
Speaker 2: episode number ninety one. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 2: The Break. We are live in SWBC Mortgage Studios at
Speaker 2: the Star and it's festive time around here. It's Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2: Lots going on today. We have a lot of different
Speaker 2: topics we're going to hit you. There's a little Chrismas
Speaker 2: music there.
Speaker 3: No, I was just thinking there is a I believe
Speaker 3: the hail was on Christmas Eve? Christmas Day? Was it
Speaker 3: the twenty third? Gosh? Okay, I remember watching. I was
Speaker 3: thinking it was around the holidays. It's amazing the NFL
Speaker 3: playoffs are going on, like, yeah, Christmas December.
Speaker 2: And now you're Super Bowl in February.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now we're in the Monigral next year.
Speaker 5: Next sure, it'll be fifty years of the hill, Mary Hill.
Speaker 2: Mary, Yeah, you thought about Oh.
Speaker 5: I thought about it plenty this week. I certainly have.
Speaker 3: Is it one of the things there's never been a
Speaker 3: deep blue on the hill? Mary? Has it?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Well, we know that. We we've thought about doing some
Speaker 2: extra content on it, but we is it? It kind
Speaker 2: of it kind of fell apart. There was some some issues.
Speaker 3: R okay, web, Sorry I didn't ring it up.
Speaker 2: No, nothing bad, nothing bad. It was just like there
Speaker 2: was just some probably ran into it. We thought we
Speaker 2: had maybe the ball, the actual ball. It just didn't
Speaker 2: turn out.
Speaker 6: Oh, excuse me, it's the twenty eighth is it birthday?
Speaker 6: There you go, that's how you remember?
Speaker 2: That's I remember. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Didn't that ball end up in the stands?
Speaker 2: Actually?
Speaker 5: Go ahead, go ahead?
Speaker 3: You you I'm sorry, I mean you did. Did Drew
Speaker 3: Pearson throw the ball in the stands?
Speaker 6: So whenever he whenever he said he had a dream
Speaker 6: the night before where he caught the winning touchdown and
Speaker 6: threw the ball out of the stadium. So when he
Speaker 6: caught it, he was like, well, I got to throw
Speaker 6: it out of the stadium. So we threw it out
Speaker 6: of the stadium and with the met it was it
Speaker 6: was open ye that we have today, and so he
Speaker 6: threw it and it landed in the parking lot and
Speaker 6: never never recovered as far as we know.
Speaker 5: But we thought we maybe had it this past summer, but.
Speaker 2: We had a line to it, but it didn't work.
Speaker 3: Was it a Minneapolis fan?
Speaker 5: Long story?
Speaker 6: I don't know what we can share, So I'm just
Speaker 6: gonna you're done there.
Speaker 2: Okay, there was a whole thing. The whole thing, but
Speaker 2: we didn't realize there was such a to say. We
Speaker 2: didn't find the ball. We thought we may have had
Speaker 2: the ball, but it just we didn't feel comfortable that
Speaker 2: that was the ball.
Speaker 3: So yeah, hard to Okay, what did the ball say?
Speaker 3: Did the ball at the time? Could you identify it
Speaker 3: as saying exactly?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So this was it was this say this wouldn't be
Speaker 3: a this would be would be a Pete Roselle ball.
Speaker 5: It would be a Pete Roselle ball, and say the duke. Yes.
Speaker 6: In the seventies, it had a very specific brand on
Speaker 6: It had very specific uh typing on it. The air
Speaker 6: hole in the ball was had a very specific spot
Speaker 6: and then in the eighties it switched over or excuse
Speaker 6: me in nineteen seventy six, it switched over, so they
Speaker 6: go by ten year increments, but they go from like
Speaker 6: seventy or sixty six to seventy five and then seventy
Speaker 6: six to eighty five, and so like there was a
Speaker 6: like that was that like one of the probably one
Speaker 6: of the final balls that was used of like that era. Wow,
Speaker 6: And so yeah, there was even more confusion about Okay,
Speaker 6: is this ball this because of that or this because
Speaker 6: of that where they may be doing some eighties test
Speaker 6: balls in this game.
Speaker 5: There's there's all.
Speaker 2: Man, it was the whole thing and actually that may
Speaker 2: be worth a documentary and it really that process because
Speaker 2: it is it's a lot to consider when you're trying
Speaker 2: to identify and authenticate a ball from from a game
Speaker 2: that happened back in the seventies. Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I had a phenomenal time working for you guys
Speaker 6: for sixteen months. I always said the best thing that
Speaker 6: I ever worked on was the Marion Barber documentary.
Speaker 5: I will forever remember working on that.
Speaker 6: The second best thing that I ever worked on, nothing
Speaker 6: ever came of it. It was the Drew Pearson ball.
Speaker 3: So that was that's fascinating.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a fun time me and so was
Speaker 6: just Blake. He had a lot of late nights on
Speaker 6: the phone with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of headaches on that one.
Speaker 5: Lot of headaches with that one.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's jump in. I have some questions
Speaker 2: we didn't get to yesterday about the offense, and I
Speaker 2: want to take the first segment. I don't know, we're
Speaker 2: going to see and here you go.
Speaker 3: Second segment's see make questions we could pick off of
Speaker 3: Brian's before he.
Speaker 2: Gets started, got a lot of them. In the second segment,
Speaker 2: we'll dive inside the brain and Brian brought us And
Speaker 2: in the third segment, because it is Christmas Eve, we're
Speaker 2: gonna do some Christmas wishes here. I would go across
Speaker 2: the offensive, defense, coaching special teams. What do you guys
Speaker 2: have wishes for this team? We'll do that in the
Speaker 2: final segment, I Amber, how are you? We're just rolling along?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just came in here quietly drank my coffee.
Speaker 7: You know we should all be home right now, but
Speaker 7: glad to be here with yo, you all sharing this
Speaker 7: lovely morning.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 7: If you guys are listening outside of the FW area,
Speaker 7: is just raining.
Speaker 5: A lot right now.
Speaker 2: Understorms.
Speaker 7: It's very cloudy, very dark. It looks like everyone should
Speaker 7: be home right now.
Speaker 2: But it's not cold. That's the crazy part. Christmas time,
Speaker 2: and I ran in shorts this morning. It was sixty degrees.
Speaker 6: I was thinking too, with it being raining as hard
Speaker 6: as it is. I was like, if it was cold,
Speaker 6: we'll be getting a white.
Speaker 5: Christmas right now, yeah or not? Unfortunately not.
Speaker 2: Instead we got summer weather. Anyway, we'll do that summer
Speaker 2: walking packers. So let's talk about this offense. I want
Speaker 2: to start with Ceedee Lamb. In this last game, he
Speaker 2: had eight targets and seven receptions for one hundred and
Speaker 2: five yards. After the game, he made it clear his shoulder,
Speaker 2: yeah hurts like it hurts. It's messed up. What are
Speaker 2: your thoughts just on his will to play right now
Speaker 2: and whether it's a good thing. Jerry even mentioned it
Speaker 2: this morning on his hit with one on five three
Speaker 2: the fan. That's something they're going to keep an eye on,
Speaker 2: and they certainly will leave it up to the player
Speaker 2: to make the decision.
Speaker 3: But what do you thought on that? Can I ask
Speaker 3: you real quick question on this oneause I know you're
Speaker 3: gonna answer this, But do you think that's affecting him
Speaker 3: in second halves of games.
Speaker 5: You know, because this was happening the second half production
Speaker 5: was happening a way.
Speaker 3: Before the shoulder. Ok, carry on, my friend, carry on.
Speaker 5: I uh with with cd.
Speaker 6: He's he's been told that he can't hurt it anymore,
Speaker 6: so he's just.
Speaker 5: Playing through it.
Speaker 2: Can't injure it anymore.
Speaker 5: Correct, Yeah, it can hurt some more. Right, you're right.
Speaker 5: Let me let me rephrase there.
Speaker 2: Injured he is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he cannot injure it further. He has the sprain
Speaker 6: ed ac joint in the shoulder. Every time he lands
Speaker 6: on it. You just know whenever he lands on it too,
Speaker 6: that he's going to be slow getting up at that
Speaker 6: big I think it was the fifty three yard reception
Speaker 6: when he came to the ground. I mean we could
Speaker 6: all look at each other and be like, oh, that
Speaker 6: one hurt. You know, it did even if he didn't
Speaker 6: have the shoulder injury. But I think I think there's
Speaker 6: a couple of things that play here with with cd A.
Speaker 6: He takes a lot of pride in the work that
Speaker 6: he puts in, especially over the off season, and you know,
Speaker 6: him being on his own during the offseason, he took
Speaker 6: a lot of pride in the work that he put
Speaker 6: in in that in that sense, he has, uh he
Speaker 6: has goals and milestones that he wants to reach personally
Speaker 6: and that requires him playing. And then secondly, you know
Speaker 6: him saying in the locker room after the game, He's like,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna continue to fight with these guys. These are
Speaker 6: my brothers, and I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna help them
Speaker 6: try to win games. So you know, that's that's that's
Speaker 6: what he gets paid to do, and he's he's doing it,
Speaker 6: and I, uh, my hat's off to him, honestly, because
Speaker 6: I I I consider myself a competitor, but I don't
Speaker 6: think I would be competing if I was in right now.
Speaker 7: I understood it before the Cowboys were eliminated from the playoffs,
Speaker 7: and even for him to go out and play in
Speaker 7: that game, I'm like, Okay, sure you were preparing as
Speaker 7: if you had to play that game. But hearing Jerry
Speaker 7: Jones mentioned, hey, we'll live it up to the player
Speaker 7: and let him decide however he feels however he wants
Speaker 7: to handle these last two games. That's where I'm not
Speaker 7: okay with that, and I don't know if City's sentiment
Speaker 7: continues to be the same as this week got started,
Speaker 7: but I would hope it has changed, because again, you're hurt,
Speaker 7: you showed what you did, You were there doing what
Speaker 7: you needed to do while it matter. And at this point,
Speaker 7: there's absolutely no reason for him to be out there
Speaker 7: re injuring. We saw it in one of those plays,
Speaker 7: in one of the catch that he made, how he
Speaker 7: landed on it and had to come out in pain.
Speaker 7: He came back into the game, but still there's no
Speaker 7: necessity to have him out there these last two games,
Speaker 7: even if he wanted to. That's where I you step
Speaker 7: in and say, hey, there's nobody someone sit down.
Speaker 3: Do you think the front office needs to protect him?
Speaker 3: Then I do.
Speaker 2: If there's no way to re injure it, like from
Speaker 2: what Nick saying, he's been told that he can't injure it.
Speaker 7: Further, we're humans, we have bones, and I don't I'm
Speaker 7: not a doctor, but even if somebody is like, there's
Speaker 7: always a way for you to re hurt something and
Speaker 7: re injure something or make it worse. I don't. I
Speaker 7: don't know. I don't know if it's I don't know,
Speaker 7: but I don't want him out there, sit down.
Speaker 3: Right, Like what you said. I think that's you know
Speaker 3: that sometimes people need to step in and protect these guys.
Speaker 3: And so this guy takes a lot of pride in
Speaker 3: that jersey. He wears that number. He wears. He carries
Speaker 3: a big and not a burden, but it carries an
Speaker 3: aura of toughness. We were just talking about the hail Mary.
Speaker 3: You know, brutal conditions, Grassfield coal tough, got.
Speaker 5: Hicked by a police officer, hopeless.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, There's a lot worse things happened in
Speaker 3: the seventies. In those games. You goes to sidelines, you're
Speaker 3: lucky to get back on the field, and some of
Speaker 3: the sidelines of those games they had head hunting defensive
Speaker 3: backs and stuff like that. But it's a certain amount
Speaker 3: of pride that he has and a certain amount it's
Speaker 3: a badge of like courage and honor and history with it,
Speaker 3: and I think he I think he looks at that
Speaker 3: as something that is important to the legacy of where
Speaker 3: that jersey goes. But I do agree with you, I
Speaker 3: do agree with you. I think there's a certain time
Speaker 3: that you have to protect the player. And even though
Speaker 3: it is a can't hurt it anymore, you know, give
Speaker 3: them an opportunity to just sit back and take these
Speaker 3: last two weeks and try and get healed up and
Speaker 3: then make sure that you're off season, that you go
Speaker 3: into the off season with like, Okay, now, what's the
Speaker 3: next step that we need to do playing football games. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's important to win games. It's important for Mike McCarthy
Speaker 3: to win games. You know, it's important for this coaching step.
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy said something yesterday to you guys, Hey, I
Speaker 3: don't worry about me. I worry about my assistance. You know.
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy's kind of taking care. So it's about winning games,
Speaker 3: and these players want to go win games. And we
Speaker 3: always laugh that. You know, here we are, we're a
Speaker 3: little bit this way. We're signed up for seventeen weeks.
Speaker 3: We signed up, we're working on Christmas Eve. You know,
Speaker 3: we're signed up football season. With football season, we football.
Speaker 3: But I think you make a really good point that
Speaker 3: to me, I think you have to protect the players
Speaker 3: sometimes and this would be one of those times to me.
Speaker 7: But also more so than you even possibly reinjuring. Let's
Speaker 7: say you can get more injured. It's starting the healing process. Now,
Speaker 7: it's allowing you, even if it's two week ahead, like,
Speaker 7: go ahead and start that healing process, because when you
Speaker 7: look at the roster and all the injured players, you're
Speaker 7: gonna have a lot to deal with for next season.
Speaker 7: So why not whatever extra time, even if it's a week,
Speaker 7: a week and a half, go ahead and start that
Speaker 7: healing process right now.
Speaker 2: Well that was I literally just wrote that down because
Speaker 2: that was the key for me. I'm not sure. I
Speaker 2: don't know if this is going to require any kind
Speaker 2: of surgery, but at the most, at the very least,
Speaker 2: it's going to require some sort of rehab and rest
Speaker 2: all those things. The sooner you can start that, the
Speaker 2: sooner he's available for offseason workouts. And so from that standpoint,
Speaker 2: that's the only area. Like if it wasn't for that,
Speaker 2: then I just kind of I do have a belief
Speaker 2: that when it comes to football, it is a sport
Speaker 2: of attrition, it is a sport of pain tolerance, and
Speaker 2: I think sometimes you have to show yourself, sometimes you
Speaker 2: have to show your teammates that my level of pain
Speaker 2: tolerance is up there, like I am going to battle
Speaker 2: through whatever it is, and that means this becomes a
Speaker 2: real opportunity now because of the fact that if he's
Speaker 2: hurt and the games don't mean anything, him going out
Speaker 2: there and playing really hard, his teammates see that there's
Speaker 2: a lot of credibility he earns in that room from
Speaker 2: being out there right now, in these moments when it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter other than him just being out there to
Speaker 2: play football. As teammates.
Speaker 3: I think that he you know, and I think you
Speaker 3: said that very well. I also think that he has
Speaker 3: proven that. I don't think I ever have to worry
Speaker 3: about him lining up and play. There's players out there
Speaker 3: that you start to hear the whispers, you know, not
Speaker 3: knowing the difference between injury and pain, and you know,
Speaker 3: and that's the one so concern you, that guy right there.
Speaker 3: I would never ever ever think that if if they
Speaker 3: were battling, if they were battling the commanders, if they
Speaker 3: were still in the hunt, there would not be a
Speaker 3: question at eighty eight would line up and play. There's
Speaker 3: no question about that. And I don't think anybody is
Speaker 3: ever will ever going forward question the toughness and the
Speaker 3: availability of ceed lamb that right there is. That thing
Speaker 3: has been taken care of.
Speaker 2: No I think that's true, and I agree with that.
Speaker 2: I just think that sometimes in life, there you get
Speaker 2: presented these oh no you do, you're right about show
Speaker 2: your toughness. You'll show how much you're committed to something right,
Speaker 2: and if you miss those opportunities, sometimes you can't get
Speaker 2: them back.
Speaker 3: He signed up for seventeen weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, all right, we're going to take our first break.
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Speaker 2: of the questions I had on my list for that
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Second segment of the Break life in thats
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Speaker 2: brain of Brian broad As Brian, what.
Speaker 3: You got all right? Derek Eagleton right off the jump
Speaker 3: for the skilled guys, has Turpin replaced Ferguson as your
Speaker 3: third most important offensive weapon? Because I say Lamb and
Speaker 3: Dowdle are the two most important weapons?
Speaker 2: Should he be yes? Should he be yes? Has he?
Speaker 2: I don't know that they're using him enough for me
Speaker 2: to make that claim. Now I will say this in
Speaker 2: this last game, lining him up in the backfield. Actually
Speaker 2: liked that and I thought it was even though it
Speaker 2: didn't really turn out to be great plays, I thought
Speaker 2: it was good and I think it worked with what
Speaker 2: they were trying to do, just to give him a
Speaker 2: different look. Like if you notice what they did was
Speaker 2: because of the personnel package, they were able to get
Speaker 2: them to really get all of their get the right
Speaker 2: personnel on the field for dubtas and then take advantage
Speaker 2: of on that touchdown pass because they had on the
Speaker 2: touchdown pass, they then had who was it, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to blank number one Tobert. They had Tolbert lined up
Speaker 2: and he had a linebackground which allowed him to get
Speaker 2: the touchdown right, So you got the matchup you want
Speaker 2: it because of the personnel packages when you get a
Speaker 2: receiver next receipt on the field, but you line him
Speaker 2: up in the backfield. So I love how they're using
Speaker 2: him in that way. I don't know, I haven't seen
Speaker 2: enough to say they're going to do that regularly enough
Speaker 2: for me to say he's replaced Ferguson as the third
Speaker 2: offensive weapon.
Speaker 6: Nick cars my points I think completely resemble Derek to
Speaker 6: my left here, I think it's close, though, Turpin has
Speaker 6: really started to gain an influence throughout the season, and
Speaker 6: that goes back to training camp. I think quietly he
Speaker 6: had one of the best training camps in Oxnard as
Speaker 6: far as getting integrated into the offense, and then we're
Speaker 6: starting to see that integration from then translate to now
Speaker 6: and it's only helped him quite a bit. But the reason,
Speaker 6: one more reason I think I would give too is
Speaker 6: it would not surprise me if Jake Ferguson had a
Speaker 6: one hundred yard two touchdown day at some point. It
Speaker 6: would surprise me if Cavante Turpin had a one hundred
Speaker 6: yard two touchdown day at some point.
Speaker 3: Hamburgercia, I agree with everybody on here.
Speaker 7: I think h ont To Turpin, I feel like he
Speaker 7: has taken advantage of the opportunities that he was given
Speaker 7: this season playing on the offense, but I feel like
Speaker 7: he hasn't been enough, and he has those qualities that
Speaker 7: can really benefit you in your offense overall because of
Speaker 7: his quickness. That's one of the things with Ferguson to
Speaker 7: me and I get it. We've had this debate, Derek,
Speaker 7: where you he has had a decent season, but visually
Speaker 7: and mentally from what I've seen. It hasn't been memorable,
Speaker 7: not that the season has been memorable at all, really,
Speaker 7: But as far as I just I there's more to
Speaker 7: Jake Ferguson. I think he can do better, and we
Speaker 7: didn't really get to see a lot of those great
Speaker 7: plays that he has showcase in the past. But I
Speaker 7: would say right now it's it's just it's not enough
Speaker 7: to say that Turpin has taken over.
Speaker 5: Got you should but he hasn't had a touch in
Speaker 5: like six weeks.
Speaker 2: Like I do it, they gave it.
Speaker 3: He's like a stunt man.
Speaker 2: That project is over. But he gets a lot of reps.
Speaker 3: Get a lot of reps. Nick did brock Hoffman struggles
Speaker 3: with Vida vea change your thoughts about him being a
Speaker 3: full time starter at GUARD.
Speaker 6: I don't think I ever fully considered him the full
Speaker 6: time starter at GUARD. I think there's gonna have to
Speaker 6: be an influx of competition there over the over the offseason,
Speaker 6: whether that is adding a free agent or drafting a
Speaker 6: guy in the first couple of days that can that
Speaker 6: can compete for that spot. But yeah, he easily had
Speaker 6: his worst day of the season against Vidave and Colijah Canci,
Speaker 6: both of them Kancy had some wins against him as well,
Speaker 6: but that's one of the better interior defensive lines in
Speaker 6: the NFL. And if you know it's it's better to
Speaker 6: struggle now, then if he is the starter next year,
Speaker 6: then the struggle in Week sixteen next year.
Speaker 3: So Ambar, did brock hoffman struggles with Vida Vea and
Speaker 3: others change your thoughts about him being a full time
Speaker 3: starter at guard?
Speaker 7: No, I don't think so. I think we are all
Speaker 7: humans and we all have bad days. No, But I
Speaker 7: think in the overall everything we've seen for him, I'm
Speaker 7: still more on the positive side of things. I'm still
Speaker 7: intrigued and I want to see more of him. I
Speaker 7: like what I've seen so far overall, and I think
Speaker 7: that the more he gets to be out there, the
Speaker 7: better he's going to get. And that you can say
Speaker 7: about most players around the league, but with him, I
Speaker 7: just he has this aggressiveness that I like about him.
Speaker 7: He has the size and the power and honestly, nothing
Speaker 7: like even with that game, it doesn't change my mind
Speaker 7: and I want to see more Derek.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know that it's changed for me just yet,
Speaker 2: because even with a rough day, he's still only allowed
Speaker 2: three pressures in half a sec. So that being said,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't I don't know if I would
Speaker 2: all of a sudden be like, oh, well, what he's
Speaker 2: done the last few weeks don't matter. Now here's gonna
Speaker 2: be The big test is this week when he plays Philadelphia. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because he's following that game up with two of the
Speaker 2: best defensive tackles again in the NFL. Sure, and I
Speaker 2: want to see how he reforms there. If it's another
Speaker 2: day where he struggles. Now, it does make me start
Speaker 2: to rethink, mainly because Philadelphia is in your division. You
Speaker 2: have to play them twice a year. Those guys aren't
Speaker 2: going anywhere and if you if you're having bad days
Speaker 2: against them, that's gonna be a problem. And so I
Speaker 2: think the commanders too, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, So I think
Speaker 2: you're gonna have some tests here where you can really
Speaker 2: evaluate him and figure it out. And if he struggles
Speaker 2: and those and I think, yeah, you have to really
Speaker 2: rethink it. If he does really well this weekend and
Speaker 2: or next weekend, then I do think there's some real
Speaker 2: consideration for maybe that's your right guard of the future,
Speaker 2: and and you stick with that, and you kind of
Speaker 2: just start going into this AF season thinking if if
Speaker 2: Zach's gonna move on, he's the guy you're gonna replace him.
Speaker 5: Tell you what, that would give you so much flexibility.
Speaker 2: In the draft, no doubt, Agency, no doubt.
Speaker 6: I'm rooting for Brock. I think he has the makeup
Speaker 6: to be that right guard of the future.
Speaker 3: Would you rather play at center and play BB on
Speaker 3: the other side? From what you know from the college days.
Speaker 5: I do love BB at guard.
Speaker 6: I was I've been I don't know if I've said
Speaker 6: this on on this show, but I've been kind of
Speaker 6: getting back in my draft group chats over the last
Speaker 6: couple of weeks, and we were just kind of riffing
Speaker 6: a few weeks ago and somebody had asked, so, why
Speaker 6: is Cooper BB not playing guard again? It was like, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I kind of forgot that was even a possibility. He's like,
Speaker 6: he was just so good at guard at Kansas State.
Speaker 6: So I think that's something you play with and you
Speaker 6: could figure out at camp if you really wanted to.
Speaker 2: Brian, are you saying that you think and asking that question,
Speaker 2: are you saying you think Brock is a better center than.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to say. I think that maybe
Speaker 3: you would playhim at center, and.
Speaker 2: So it's not so much about BB, it's about Hoffman.
Speaker 3: Maybe that Hoffman would be a better center than guard.
Speaker 2: Because I think BB can play center or guard and
Speaker 2: be great. I think, I really do.
Speaker 5: I think your better combination would probably be Hoffman at center.
Speaker 3: And I think so too. Yeah, it just makes me
Speaker 3: think about it, all right, Ambar, Jordan Lewis is your
Speaker 3: defensive MVP this season?
Speaker 7: That's a question that's like a statement.
Speaker 3: I'm asking a question, Jordan Lewis is your defensive MVP
Speaker 3: this season?
Speaker 7: I would yes, I would say so. There are a
Speaker 7: lot of guys that had done that have done a
Speaker 7: really good things defensively, but he has been the most
Speaker 7: consistent one, the healthier one, the one that has been
Speaker 7: out there and consistently throughout the season. And what's more impressive,
Speaker 7: and we've talked about this in the past, is looking
Speaker 7: at where he's at in his career and seeing how
Speaker 7: well he's playing. I'm saying, looking at he stayed here
Speaker 7: with the Cowboys, the years that he's gone through with
Speaker 7: injuries and not enough playing time, survived year after year
Speaker 7: and still here and this has been so far his
Speaker 7: best career in the NFL. Oh, yes, give him the trophy.
Speaker 7: I love Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 2: Derek, He's my honorable mention. I got to give it
Speaker 2: to Overshown. I know Overshown's missed the games. He's only
Speaker 2: missed the last two games.
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 2: Two games? So it is. But but I will say
Speaker 2: that throughout the course of this season, Overshown to me,
Speaker 2: has made the plays that that matter. He's made plays
Speaker 2: that matter. And no, don't get me wrong. I actually tweeted,
Speaker 2: I think of all the guys that are going to
Speaker 2: be free agents this year, I think George Jordan Lewis
Speaker 2: is the best of all of them if you look
Speaker 2: at how he played this year. But I think I
Speaker 2: think it's it's kind of overshooting a little bit to
Speaker 2: not acknowledge how great Overshown was for this defense this year.
Speaker 2: I thought he played really well.
Speaker 5: I'd make him the m v P nick, I would
Speaker 5: go with Michael Parsons. Still, I know he missed what
Speaker 5: was it for games?
Speaker 7: Yeah, by week we comeback was revolutionary to this defense.
Speaker 2: That's how important he is. It is if everybody that
Speaker 2: was having those conversations about should they trade him or not,
Speaker 2: I think it became very clear how important he is
Speaker 2: to this defense, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6: And I think if you look game by game, the
Speaker 6: consistency that he's had all season, I think this has
Speaker 6: been his most consistent season since he's been in the
Speaker 6: league as far as generating pressure getting to the quarterback. Now,
Speaker 6: how much of that is benefited by having those five
Speaker 6: weeks off, Who knows, But I think whenever you talk
Speaker 6: about the impact that he has had when he's been
Speaker 6: on and off the field, I'd have to give it
Speaker 6: to Micah, But Jordan Lewis is my close number two,
Speaker 6: and gosh, i'd give Overshown like a two B.
Speaker 5: It's all right there for me.
Speaker 3: Like that, Derek Carl Lawson or Chauncey Golston. If you
Speaker 3: can only afford one.
Speaker 2: Chauncey Golston, why he's younger. I think he gives me
Speaker 2: a little bit more and run defense as well as
Speaker 2: past So I think I'd go with Chauncey.
Speaker 6: I go Chohncey Golston. I like the physical nature he brings.
Speaker 6: He's a little bit more versatile, he can still get
Speaker 6: to the quarterback.
Speaker 5: I would go Chauncey.
Speaker 7: I agree, and my reason is different. It's I see
Speaker 7: him integrate him better with the other guys around here.
Speaker 7: And I'm talking about chemistry and I'm talking like relationships
Speaker 7: in the locker room. Now that there's any conflict or whatsoever,
Speaker 7: I just see the dynamics of that being better with him.
Speaker 3: Is Is he their best free agent offseason signing Chauncey
Speaker 3: last year?
Speaker 5: I would give it to Eric Hendricks, get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to think of all the free agents
Speaker 2: they brought in Eric Kendricks. It's not a lot of them.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think of any others.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a lot Kendricks.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, uh ambar, I'll give you this
Speaker 3: one here, this is the final one. Are you worried
Speaker 3: that opponents these next two games, which is now play
Speaker 3: with a loaded box to take away the running game
Speaker 3: for the Cowboys had a lot of problems playing against that.
Speaker 3: Against the Bucks, they just put that extra dude down
Speaker 3: there in there and make you do something else.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't say worried is the right word, because at
Speaker 7: this point I ain't worry about nothing other than other
Speaker 7: than just making sure people stay healthy and we don't
Speaker 7: lose any other key player. Or anybody really due to injury.
Speaker 7: But I would say even with that, even if you
Speaker 7: take the running game away, I'm a little bit okay
Speaker 7: with it because with this last two games, keep trying
Speaker 7: through the air, keep throwing. I want to see what
Speaker 7: you have in the passing game. And I know that
Speaker 7: a lot of the passing game comes from the balance
Speaker 7: that you've been able to find through the running game.
Speaker 7: But we saw it this past weekend against Tampa Bay.
Speaker 7: They took out the running game for you, you were
Speaker 7: still able to manage through the passing game. I would
Speaker 7: rather see what that looks like with the rest of
Speaker 7: the receivers than be so much concerned about you running
Speaker 7: the football in these last two games.
Speaker 3: How about you, Nick, You're worried about them playing loaded
Speaker 3: box against you the next two weeks.
Speaker 6: Well, Tampa Bay told that Cowboys offense, Hey, we're gonna
Speaker 6: have to let Cooper rush beat us, and Cooper rush
Speaker 6: beat them. So I don't think I necessarily have any
Speaker 6: concerns about about that. Granted, better secondary that you'll face
Speaker 6: against the Eagles this upcoming weekend Washington, and it's probably
Speaker 6: around the area of the Buccaneers. It depends on Lattimore's
Speaker 6: health as well, but I think I think Dubdle can
Speaker 6: still get his. But if they ask Cooper rush to
Speaker 6: to have to beat them, he's shown that he can
Speaker 6: do that against against the talented front at least.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of agree with the sentiments there. My
Speaker 2: first question though, is do I have CD. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: if they go to roud of what Amber's saying and
Speaker 2: they sit him down, now, I'm really worried because I
Speaker 2: don't think you have the receivers to really be able
Speaker 2: to take.
Speaker 3: Advantageway in that way, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So but if CD's playing, yeah, absolutely, I feel like
Speaker 2: they'll be fine if they take the running game because
Speaker 2: with with what you have to do to take the
Speaker 2: running game away, which is, you know, use extra resources
Speaker 2: down there, that's gonna grace some opportunities. And I trust
Speaker 2: after seeing this last game, that Cooper has a good
Speaker 2: shot to be able to take advantage of that if
Speaker 2: you're going to do it.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, guys, appreciate you.
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Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 2: It is the final show for the Christmas Break. We
Speaker 2: won't be on tomorrow, but we'll be back on Thursday,
Speaker 2: and Amber can tell us about all the great presents
Speaker 2: she got.
Speaker 5: Yeah got for Diego.
Speaker 2: Yeah got for Diego. Not got got for Diego.
Speaker 7: I didn't think Christmas could get more expensive.
Speaker 6: Was Santa really good this year? Or is he going
Speaker 6: to be good this year? I guess the question should.
Speaker 7: Be yes, okay, which is crazy because, uh, you know,
Speaker 7: he has not been good behaving. My Santa threats are
Speaker 7: gonna goes one year and on the other he's okay.
Speaker 5: It's like I know these guys threats, Like he's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: don want.
Speaker 2: All right, let's do some Christmas wishes. I'm gonna we'll
Speaker 2: start with the offense. I want you guys to tell
Speaker 2: me if you had one Christmas wish for this team
Speaker 2: going into the future, going beyond where they are right
Speaker 2: now and into the next season, what would that Christmas
Speaker 2: wish be? What makes the biggest difference for them?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: Man, there's there's options here. I would go with a
Speaker 6: legit wide receiver to like I'm talking like a guy
Speaker 6: who could go for a thousand yards in a season.
Speaker 2: A wide receiver one to be out there with your
Speaker 2: wide receiver exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, give me a wide receiver one be basically.
Speaker 2: We're gone, We're got to give you a coach. We're
Speaker 2: gonna get the coaching. We're not a coaching offense. His offense.
Speaker 2: I'm talking off it's a personnel. Personnel off personnel that
Speaker 2: was going to.
Speaker 3: Be you could it's this is a really easy one
Speaker 3: for me. It's it's health for your quarterback. That's the
Speaker 3: easiest way. Just get let him you know, when he's
Speaker 3: when he's he played at an m v P level,
Speaker 3: when he was able to play all the games, you know,
Speaker 3: and now now you have some questions about you know,
Speaker 3: his health. Hopefully he'll come back as good as new,
Speaker 3: but you're gonna need you know, you're gonna need him
Speaker 3: to be healthy for you to have legitimate shots.
Speaker 7: M I mean health. Yeah, that applies. And I'm thinking
Speaker 7: of like a healthy city LAMB as well next year.
Speaker 7: Can I just talk about one aspect or don't have
Speaker 7: to point out a single person. You can tell an
Speaker 7: aspect the running game and because that we've seen this
Speaker 7: season was a true showcase of what that looks like
Speaker 7: when you do not have a running game, and when
Speaker 7: your offense and when you're calling bad place, how that
Speaker 7: you struggle in that way. So I think being able
Speaker 7: to have a good balanced offense and starting next year
Speaker 7: with a good running game that you can trust and
Speaker 7: be able to rely on, it's gonna be huge.
Speaker 3: Well can I okay? Instead of saying the play caller,
Speaker 3: could you focus it this way? Modern offense? Like a
Speaker 3: modern like what we what we see in some of
Speaker 3: the these other clubs. Because Mike talks about thirty years
Speaker 3: ago that this was, you know, he brings those things up.
Speaker 3: But I was thinking, like, okay, well, I appreciate that
Speaker 3: thirty years ago. You're right, I was part of Green Bay.
Speaker 3: We ran the similar offense that you ran. But these
Speaker 3: things evolve, you know. I just maybe a more instead
Speaker 3: of just a play caller, maybe a more dynamic offense.
Speaker 3: You know, that's kind of where I would maybe focus
Speaker 3: instead of taking a shot at Mike like I did.
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the defense. What will be your
Speaker 2: wish for the defense?
Speaker 3: Bring Mike Zimmer back, that would be my wish for
Speaker 3: this defense.
Speaker 6: He had a quote yesterday that I thought was very interesting,
Speaker 6: and I'll go ahead and throw ou my Christmas wish.
Speaker 5: Why I'm trying to pull this up.
Speaker 6: I will go with a a game changing safety, just
Speaker 6: a three or strong or does it matter either either
Speaker 6: just a game changing safety.
Speaker 3: I start from Georgia.
Speaker 6: Yeah, John A Baron from I think I think he
Speaker 6: could play at safety.
Speaker 3: And then it says he's like our guy Brian Branch
Speaker 3: from Detroit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you could. You could put him in the slot,
Speaker 2: you can let him cover there. He can play safety.
Speaker 2: He could do a lot of things.
Speaker 3: Asked me, he goes, if you watched Brian Branch yet,
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, a couple of years ago. No, at Texas.
Speaker 3: The kid that plays at Texas. I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 3: He brought me up to speed on the kid. Ye
Speaker 3: a good player.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's there's some uh, there's there's some real comparison
Speaker 6: to be made there.
Speaker 2: So uh.
Speaker 6: Edward Er asked Mike Zimmer yesterday if he's enjoying his
Speaker 6: NFL return, and he kind of laughed and he was like,
Speaker 6: it's been a blast, and he's like, it's been hard.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to lie to you. And followed up
Speaker 6: and asked if he's enjoyed it enough to coach again,
Speaker 6: and he said, we'll see. Let's get to the end
Speaker 6: of the end of the year and see what happens.
Speaker 5: So I think it's also.
Speaker 3: Horses he's got he's got a horse that legitimly can
Speaker 3: run in the Kentucky Derby.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So he Yeah, we might see Zimmer up there in
Speaker 3: Millionaire's row like like, you know, just antagonizing everybody up there.
Speaker 5: That's incredible. So it's a Zimmer with his horses and skin,
Speaker 5: you know, with the show dogs.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the interesting thing for both for both
Speaker 2: McCarthy and for Zimmer. Both of them have the ability
Speaker 2: to say I don't choose to coach. I don't choose
Speaker 2: to coach here. It's not just the simple thing of
Speaker 2: will the Cowboys have them back? Like they both have
Speaker 2: options as well. So that's that's what's going to make this,
Speaker 2: I think really interesting. Is not so much to cowboys,
Speaker 2: but do they want to be back here for another year?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Can I wish for health, for health for everybody? Well,
Speaker 7: I'm trying to think because when we start talking about
Speaker 7: the guys are about to become free agents free agent,
Speaker 7: it becomes a very interesting question because then it leaves
Speaker 7: you with a lot of different holes throughout in all
Speaker 7: three phases. So I would say, can I just mentioned
Speaker 7: free agency, like free agency as a key to how
Speaker 7: the Cowboys handle, uh, this defense, how they reinforced because
Speaker 7: I don't think you can go into relying just on
Speaker 7: young talent and going into the draft and relying on
Speaker 7: the draft. I think that the veteran presence is key
Speaker 7: and necessary, and we've seen that with like Eric Kendricks.
Speaker 7: He's a guy that's about to be free agent, DeMarcus Lawrence,
Speaker 7: Jordan Lewis, Olsaudzua, and there's a list of other guys
Speaker 7: that are about to be free agents as well, and
Speaker 7: that's going to change completely how your defense looks as
Speaker 7: a whole. So I would say managing free agents the proper.
Speaker 6: Way, more cap spaces, a Pro Bowl, one tech m
Speaker 6: Just what do wonders for this defense? That would be incredible?
Speaker 6: That's yeah, that's that's my new answer.
Speaker 3: About a corner opposite Bland that would have.
Speaker 5: Been I think they can figure that out. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: think they can figure that out.
Speaker 2: I think honestly, I think that's that was that to
Speaker 2: me has been a bigger p than anything else this
Speaker 2: season because everyone everyone that wants to talk about, well,
Speaker 2: this team was healthy when they were losing early in
Speaker 2: the season, they forget Deron Plan was not here. And
Speaker 2: I think I think if you look at all those games,
Speaker 2: a lot of the problems started with whoever was opposite Digs.
Speaker 2: That's where a lot of the problems started. Now, they
Speaker 2: had a lot of other problems as well, but I
Speaker 2: think it started with that. And I think and I
Speaker 2: think that's why the injuries matter all seasons, because you
Speaker 2: lost a critical piece in Deny. In my opinion, Ron
Speaker 2: Blands your best cornerback, and I think losing him heading
Speaker 2: into the season, I think that mattered. I think it mattered.
Speaker 7: Well, you have the question marks about Trevon Diggs and
Speaker 7: de Marvin rovers shown how they're gonna come back for
Speaker 7: next season injury wise.
Speaker 3: It thinks it's been two years now, I mean it's
Speaker 3: been it seems like it's been forever since Diggs has played,
Speaker 3: you know, played for you now, two years. I mean
Speaker 3: you really didn't have him this year honestly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at this offseason, I'm saying they might
Speaker 2: need to draft a corner Yeah, relatively early, or at
Speaker 2: least I.
Speaker 3: Thought Carson maybe he can come back, can help, like
Speaker 3: you know, like we.
Speaker 7: Still like him. It was it was a hard walk
Speaker 7: welcome into the NFL.
Speaker 3: No, it absolutely like it was like with Mozzi and Schoonmaker,
Speaker 3: and you know, I mean you threw the word busts
Speaker 3: on those guys. And I know that that Mozzi and
Speaker 3: Schoonmaker are higher drafted guys. But man Carson playing at
Speaker 3: wake Forest was a very good player and he just
Speaker 3: did not show that he you mentioned, it was very
Speaker 3: It was very rude awakening for it.
Speaker 2: They threw him out there real quick. And maybe that's it,
Speaker 2: maybe he just needs more development time, but I know
Speaker 2: it was. It was tough. It was really really tough,
Speaker 2: and I hate to see that happen to him because
Speaker 2: it may have ruined him. It may have mentally because
Speaker 2: the cornerback is one of the positions. I think that mentally,
Speaker 2: your your your level of confidence matters. And I hope
Speaker 2: it doesn't affect him going into the future.
Speaker 6: Let me ask you first round, John A Baron or
Speaker 6: Malachi Starks a guy that could play anywhere in the
Speaker 6: secondary and can just kind of fill a hole wherever
Speaker 6: you need it to happen.
Speaker 2: You don't, Oh yeah, that's an easy one for me.
Speaker 5: It's easy.
Speaker 2: If they got a shot at Baron, I think they
Speaker 2: be foolish not to because I think you can use
Speaker 2: them in so many ways on this defense, and it
Speaker 2: can help you in so many different ways on this defense.
Speaker 2: I think that that will be the big one.
Speaker 5: You're potentially parachuting. Get them, might have some fun there.
Speaker 5: We'll see draft show in two weeks.
Speaker 2: All right, real quick, just overall, this can be anything.
Speaker 2: This can be, this can be free agency, this can
Speaker 2: be you know, whatever you want it to be. Just overall,
Speaker 2: what would be your wish for this team?
Speaker 5: Huh? Overall wish man? Go ahead, go ahead?
Speaker 3: No, I was sitting there thinking, listen, this is and
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is gonna happen. If they
Speaker 3: make a coaching change, please let it be extensive.
Speaker 2: Please just just go just are you you say you
Speaker 2: mean clear the whole slate?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, going there with the attitude is we're
Speaker 3: not interviewing one guy.
Speaker 2: Oh, I see what you're saying. I give you go
Speaker 2: and interview everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go in there and go in there and figure
Speaker 3: it out. And even if you're don't interested in some guys,
Speaker 3: talk to and get some ideas and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: don't don't let it happen. And over dinner, you know,
Speaker 3: and the next thing you know, you got a coach
Speaker 3: I mean, now, maybe that's they maybe they got a
Speaker 3: guy in mind already. But my wish is, if you're
Speaker 3: going to make a coaching change, please let it be
Speaker 3: extensive and and and and talk to all the candidates.
Speaker 7: I would say for me would be to please address
Speaker 7: all the issues that you need to address. And I
Speaker 7: know that's very widely and there's a lot to that,
Speaker 7: and it's hard to address every single thing, but that
Speaker 7: we're we go into training camp knowing exactly what we
Speaker 7: have in the sense that you address certain situation As
Speaker 7: an example, are we gonna be sitting there and I
Speaker 7: know Michael Parsons came out saying he's not gonna be
Speaker 7: holding out or anything, and he's gonna be showing up
Speaker 7: at training camp, But are we sitting there wondering and asking, Hey,
Speaker 7: is Michaeh Parson's gonna show up here? Is it gonna be?
Speaker 16: Like?
Speaker 7: Take care of what you need to take care so
Speaker 7: that even if the season goes to crap again, you
Speaker 7: feel good that you really tried ahead of time to
Speaker 7: prepare yourself the best that you could. So that would
Speaker 7: be my wish. It's hard to accomplish all and fill
Speaker 7: all the areas but I would say handle free agency
Speaker 7: how you need to address everything that you need through
Speaker 7: through the draft, and then take care of the contract
Speaker 7: that you need to take care of. You already did
Speaker 7: dak CD. And the question mark now is Mika Parsonson's
Speaker 7: what's gonna happen with him.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna ask for much here from the wish.
Speaker 6: I'm like the forty five year old man that just
Speaker 6: needs socks, and I really just need the socks, Like, babe,
Speaker 6: just get me the socks.
Speaker 5: That's all I need.
Speaker 6: Overshown comes back and he's one hundred percent. Honestly, the
Speaker 6: health of this team comes back and it's one hundred
Speaker 6: percent and it stays. That would be mine because when healthy,
Speaker 6: this team is a competitor.
Speaker 5: It really is. We saw that last year, so.
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you, guys, Jon and Goaues. We want you
Speaker 2: guys have a merry Christmas or whatever you sell it.
Speaker 2: A happy Yeah, I have a happy holiday season. We
Speaker 2: will be back on Thursday and we'll start looking forward
Speaker 2: Cowboys versus Eagles till they in for Nick Harris. Brian
Speaker 2: brought us an Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Ealts and this
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