1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Quody bodies, but Joseph's gotten more than. One of the 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: things that's associated with Marti grass is revelry. I've been 3 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: to many Marti Graus parades in various locations around South 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: Louisiana over the course of my life. It's something that 5 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: my family has done for years. Even my grandmother, who 6 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: was from a very very religious family, took the train 7 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: down to New Orleans in the thirties and visited her aunt. 8 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: Aunt Bertha as a matter of fact, was her name, 9 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: and she lived in the French Quarter. And my grandmother 10 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: actually told me stories of going to Marti graous parades 11 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: with horse drawn floats and it was amazing, you know, 12 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: to hear talk about it and the actual flambeoa where 13 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: they're illuminating the path and they're actually using the flames 14 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: of the flambos that's what it comes from, and they're 15 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: dancing up and down the streets. But you know, into 16 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: her eyes from her religious upbringing, it was shocking, you know, 17 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: to say the very least, but it was a memory 18 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: that stuck with her. And of course, as Tom has 19 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 1: gone by, I've gone over the years and I've taken 20 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: my family to more family friendly events if you will. 21 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: But all in all, it is an end of a 22 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: season of the year where you're supposed to celebrate all 23 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: those things that have passed and then entering into the 24 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: Linton season, beg forgiveness and of course you're going to fast. 25 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: But for some they can't get past that. For some 26 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: they leave it all on the road. And I can't 27 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: tell you, my friends, how many cases of alcohol poisoning 28 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: I've worked as a death investigator in New Orleans over 29 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: the year. It's very sad because people that are not 30 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: used to drinking suddenly show up in my hometown and 31 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: drink like they're all old pros. And it is a 32 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: sight to behold and many times very tragic. But you know, 33 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: today we're going to discuss not just one case, two cases, 34 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: but actually a series of cases that have occurred in 35 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: various locations around the world recently that involved the consumption 36 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: of a type of alcohol that has led to death 37 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: and ruin for many. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this 38 00:02:54,400 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: is Bodybacks. Dave. You might not know this, but if 39 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: you've ever been around somebody that has been consuming alcohol, uh, 40 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: you know, like the night before where they've been out 41 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: partying and. 42 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: Eating that you're talking to. 43 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: Right, let's pretend I don't. Okay, but they go They'll 44 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: even go home and get a and bathe themselves, put 45 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: on cologne or perfume, and then next day they show 46 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: up to work and when they breathe in your face, 47 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: you've got that. And I've often described it as like 48 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: a it's like a sickly sweet smell that kind of 49 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: emanates from them, and you can you can tell that, 50 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, mischief has been had perhaps or maybe revelry. 51 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, but being so kind, well you know, 52 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: I don't I don't use the word debauchery. Yeah. 53 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: It just like something that came out of an ashtray 54 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: mixed with great preagees. 55 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: It's it's rough and plus you know, I lived I was, 56 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: believe it or not, way back when I was a 57 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: fraternity boy, you know, and we we would mix up 58 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: uh you know, uh drinks and trash cans with boat 59 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: paddles and put fruit in there. And of course we 60 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: would use grain alcohol and lots of kool aid and 61 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: tons of eyes and we had no idea. I thank god, 62 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: uh that I escaped that without wind up winding up 63 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: in the hospital because it is very dangerous and alcohol 64 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: is very dangerous. And you know, for for us, we 65 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: think about alcohol in the sense of spirits, like spirits 66 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: to consume, celebrate with. Uh, maybe you enjoy wine and 67 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: the different types of wine that are out there. Maybe 68 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: you enjoy good scotch. I have no idea, but it's 69 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: all very dangerous. But you know there's not and but 70 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: consumable alcohols actually ethanol, and there are other kinds of 71 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: alcohol that are out there, and of course that's what 72 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: we're focused on today. 73 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: Well, in reality, the story that we started with was 74 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 2: it said recently engaged couple dies after drinking homemade lemon cello. 75 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: That was pretty much the headline. And when you get 76 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: down to the second paragraph, these two people are Greta 77 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: Marie Otison and els Arnold Quinton. She's from Great Britain, 78 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: he's from South Africa, and they meet up. They're both 79 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: world travelers. They travel and live in a lot of 80 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: different places and they both find each other in Vietnam. 81 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 2: And that's where they both in all the places they 82 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: had lived, where they wanted to remain and begin a 83 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: life together in this one place in Vietnam, and they 84 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: were just a mash everything I looked at on this 85 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: couple was just nice people, good people, educated, fun loving 86 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: and really loved each other. And they get engaged and 87 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: to celebrate, they picked up well the way it was written. 88 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: And I told you this homemade alcohol, homemade lemon cello. 89 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: Well for starters, I don't know what lemon cello is, 90 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 2: and being a recovered alcoholic in recovery for over thirty 91 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 2: three years now, it's something I had never even heard of, 92 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: and so I looked at it because I wanted to 93 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: see what we're really talking about. I'm thinking they're having 94 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: to mix up their own alcohol, you know, starting with 95 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: potatoes or something. And I was thinking, Okay, you got lemon, 96 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: so they're going to use lemon rys And I started 97 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 2: thinking that's what I was thinking. That's not the case 98 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: at all. 99 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: Really. 100 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: In reality, they were in Vietnam and they went to 101 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: a restaurant and they purchased bottles of this lemon cello. 102 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: And what it is. It's a drink that is made 103 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: with from using lemon rinds and things like that. You 104 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: get slavery, yeah, but it's made with a vodka or 105 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: some type of ever clear, you know, a alcohol, yeah, 106 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 2: just brain alcohol and that has no real flavoring of 107 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: its own other than just here it is. 108 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: It's rotgut. 109 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 2: But what they would do at some places, of course, 110 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: is you use much lower quality of vodka or what 111 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: have you. They wouldn't use the top shelf, and then 112 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: they would that's how they would make it to keep 113 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: it cheap. 114 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: But let me tell you, yeah, let me tell you 115 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: a real quick a side about ever Clear. I knew 116 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: we actually this was not my case. Okay, this was 117 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: not my case. It was a colleagues case. They we 118 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: had a case of and it wasn't ever Clear. It 119 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: was actually golden grain, which is essentially the same thing, 120 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: which is pure grain alcohol. The proof on it is 121 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: just absolutely through the roof. If you've ever even tasted 122 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: it with a tip of your tongue, it's a taste 123 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: that you'll never forget. It'll put you on the ceiling, 124 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: very very strong. And at this particular party, you had 125 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: people that were doing straight shots of Everclear and then 126 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: chase our golden grain and then chasing it with I 127 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: can't like sprite or something like this. Anyway, One of 128 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: these one of the people at the party, Dave, got 129 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: really hammered on this stuff, and he was a smoker, 130 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: and he made the decision to entertain entertain people there 131 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: by getting mouthfuls of golden grain and taking a lighter 132 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: and blowing it, you know, blowing it out and literally 133 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: blowing flames. If you set the house on fire. Two 134 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: people died. Ah yeah, in this particular instance, it's just 135 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: one of those little things, you know, the curves. But again, 136 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, you know, whether it's 137 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: vodka or whether it's golden grain, ever clear, that's ethanol. 138 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: That's a consumable alcohol. Are as consumable as it can be. 139 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: Now we all know that, you know. Look, I mean even. 140 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 2: Featuring you retelling the story of Revenge of the Nerds and. 141 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: Down yeah, yeah, and that that and I often wonder 142 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: if that's where they got the idea for that. 143 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking. 144 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: You said, this was like a really tiny house, we 145 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: called it kind of a clapboard siding house, and it 146 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: was like a party location and had two people die 147 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: in there. Go yeah, I know. My thought was was that, 148 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you obviously it goes without saying people 149 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: don't make the best decisions. Uh, but if you walk 150 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: into a bar and they're selling you bottles of alcohol. 151 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: And listen, if I'm not mistaken, this couple had recently 152 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: gotten engaged. 153 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been together for they had been together for 154 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: some time, but they were celebrating their engagement one week engaged. Yeah, celebrating, 155 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: and they bought it from the restaurant. That's the thing. See, Joe, 156 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: I told you when we started, I thought they made it. Wait, 157 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: they made it sound homemade lemonchello. 158 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 159 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: When when you hear that in a story, don't you 160 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: think homemade means that Dave mac and Joseph's got Mortgaane 161 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 2: got together and made up a badge of lemon cello 162 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: at the house and invited some people over for a cookout. 163 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I was thinking. I had no 164 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: idea that you could. You know, they were really not. 165 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: They weren't talking about homemade alcohol. They were talking about 166 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: a homemade drink, a drink that was made at a 167 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: restaurant and bottled to take home. 168 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: Well, you know, one of the things I was curious 169 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: about relative to this. You know, if we like, if 170 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: we go to in Alabama, we have ABC stores which 171 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: are run by the State of Alabama, and you don't 172 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: have to buy alcohol. There there are independent alcohol but 173 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: you know, the one thing that we have, you know, 174 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: on our bottles, we have seals on the bottles. You know, 175 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: it's like a tax stamp or whatever. You know that 176 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: it's it's something that you look at, you know, and 177 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: it's recognized where it's sealed. And I'm thinking, so is 178 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: this behind the bar at this location, and how do 179 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: you know? How do you know it hasn't been broken 180 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: open before? And even if it has been broken open, 181 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: I mean there's there are people that have made you know, 182 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of dollars by forging tax stamps, you know, 183 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: for cigarettes and alcohol by the way, and you can 184 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: seal bottles up and try to make it look like 185 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: something that it's not, but there is no what's the 186 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: term that's used. There is no process by which to 187 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: guarantee or certify that this is safe to consume, like 188 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: a consumable that you're going to be putting into your body. 189 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: You know. The really sad thing about it is is 190 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: that once this has gone down the hatch day, there's 191 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: you're done, essentially, and particularly if you keep piling it 192 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: on because you know, let's just say that you're having 193 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: a celebratory moment. 194 00:11:55,520 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: Right and the couple Wise Joe, they were actually having drinks. 195 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: To They've got it over ice. You're sitting there, you're toasting, 196 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: and you know the next thing you know, you're in 197 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: a downward spiral. 198 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: What would happen? How would you feel? What would you 199 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: you know? When you drink alcohol? You're from New Orleans, 200 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 2: I got a feeling in your horn. They actually check 201 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: your blood alcohol content at birth. They put it on 202 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: a chart and say, okay, that's your flat line. No, 203 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 2: that's your baseline. Then when you do get pulled over 204 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: for d u I and twenty five years old, they go, well, 205 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: wait a minute, here's his baseline at birth? No, he 206 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: was a point one to three at birth? Was he 207 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: now five nights? Fine? 208 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. In South Louisianda, we still have draw through dakri 209 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: stands where you're not breaking the law. You can do. Boy, 210 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: you can get high octane frozen dakeries and they'll put 211 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: a lid on it. But they don't. Here's how they 212 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: get around. They don't give you a straw and so. 213 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: But because nobody everybody's got a nobody's got a straw 214 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: in their car. Oh my gosh, you get are you 215 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: you're messing with me, aren't you not? 216 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: No? Uh uh, now, please, I beg you. If you 217 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: don't want to college students, don't believe the reason for 218 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: me to New Orleans, I assume that I'm lying. Wow, 219 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's that way, and you can buy 220 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: it by the gallon as well, you know. And yeah, absolutely, listen, 221 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: I'm not making I'm not here to make excuses. New 222 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: Orleans is a very unique place. But you have an 223 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: expectation of safety in the sense of what you're going 224 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: to be putting into your body. And look, if you're 225 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: I have had people, Dave and every colleague that I 226 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: know of in in medical legal debt investigation has had 227 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: alcohol related deaths. And let's just kind of let's push 228 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: the anything in involving a motorized vehicle to the side, okay, 229 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: and let's push anything to the side that is fueled 230 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: by alcoholic anger, which you know, you and I both 231 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: have seen a lot of over the years. I know 232 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: you have as a recovery counselor yeah, you know, it'll 233 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: drive people. 234 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 2: I'm just talking about drinking where. 235 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: You yeah, where you die? And we hear this, don't 236 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: we hear this every single year in fall when you 237 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: have people that are recruited in fraternities and you'll get 238 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: these kids that come in, they're fresh faced off the farm, 239 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: they've never been away from home, and there's any number 240 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: of these stories out there where these kids are forced 241 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: to consume massive amounts of alcohol and you will you 242 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: will have this manifestation of an alcohol what's referred to 243 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: as acute alcohol toxicity is actually what it's referred to as. 244 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: And that we're talking about ethanol here, and so with 245 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: with the ethanol and some of the symptomology that you'll 246 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: get with with with consumption of too much ethanol is 247 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: you'll get stomach cramps, pain, and we've seen people, you know, 248 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: you get people that are vomited, projectile vomiting. Body is 249 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: not meant to handle that. Obviously, they lose balance, there's 250 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: there's confusion, you know, and they're You'll find people just 251 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: talking out of their minds. And this is both people 252 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: that are acutely affected by a call as well as 253 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: those that are chronically affected by a call. They might 254 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: not even know, you know, where they are. You'll have 255 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: people that have slurred speech. That's one of the things 256 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: that police officers obviously look for, you know, along with 257 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: unable to walk a straight line or maintain a lane 258 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: where they're breaking center lane. And then you'll have people 259 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: that will pass out many times with those that go 260 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: into an unconscious state with ethanol will eventually wake up okay, 261 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: but it's very dangerous. A lot of it's dependent upon 262 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: the individual's own personal metabolism and also their body size. 263 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: You know, how much can you consume without it becoming 264 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: so toxic that it's going to push you over over 265 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: the edge. And here's one of the most insidious things 266 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: that I've seen with ethanol poisoning is you will have 267 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: people that will begin to vomit blood. And there's actually 268 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: a condition that I don't know that we would ever 269 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: cover on another edition of Body Bags, but I'll go 270 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: ahead and throw it out here. And this is something 271 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: that our friends may not have heard of before, but 272 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: there's a condition called esophageal verses, which see how can 273 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: I describe this? Generally with chronic alcoholism or ethanolism, you 274 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: will have people that have so let's see so eroded. 275 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: There's soft they're esophageal lining and their stomach that it 276 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: becomes very very fragile, and they might have repeatedly, they 277 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: might have stomach upset, and they might be functioning, you know, 278 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: you're talking about chronic alcoholism. They might be functioning. But 279 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: there's that won drink that after all these years that 280 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: they take and their esophagus is so eroded that finally 281 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: one of those vessels inside of that delicate sleeve ruptures. Well, 282 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: guess what happens when it ruptures. That blood travels down 283 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: the esophagus winds up in the stomach. Now, I don't 284 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: know how many people have ever, you know, like you've 285 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: had a busted lip and you've you've tasted your own blood. 286 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: It's disgusting. It's not something that's pleasant. Just imagine suddenly 287 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: you get a multiple C C dump of alcohol or 288 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: blood into your stomach. And Dave, I've walked onto scenes 289 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: and I can remember three right off the top of 290 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: my head that when I got there to the scene 291 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: that this is pretty pretty amazing. In all three of 292 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: the cases of these cases, I had three separate young 293 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: officers tell me that they thought they had a beating, 294 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: a beating death because there was projected blood everywhere, and 295 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: it makes the individual so nauseated that they do begin 296 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: to projectile vomit, and you'll get this kind of it'll 297 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: almost look like coffee grounds, bloody coffee grounds, and it's 298 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: it's everywhere. You'll see it. If they were seated at 299 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: a table, it'll be all over the table. In the 300 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: laboratory or the bathroom, you'll see the sink. It'll look 301 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: like they've been uh stabbed or something like that, and 302 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: you'll see blood all over the all over the or 303 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,239 Speaker 1: they'll wind up in the in the bed, in the 304 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: bed is super saturated. Well, it's not trauma in the 305 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: classic sense that they have sustained. This is a projected 306 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: bleeding that occurs, and it is directly related to habitual 307 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: abuse of alcohol. Most people don't think about that, but 308 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: you see it in the medical legal world. You see it. 309 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: So you can't just because you've got a tremendous amount 310 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: of blood at a scene, you cannot necessarily say, oh, yeah, well, 311 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 1: this is some kind of this is some kind of 312 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: some kind of trauma that has occurred. You have to 313 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: weigh everything. But you know, in these cases that we're 314 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: discussing today, ethanol would have been far more welcome than 315 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: what these individuals were actually exposed to you know, Dave, 316 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:02,239 Speaker 1: I'd mentioned this to you in passing before we signed on. 317 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, this does not involve New Orleans. I had 318 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: mentioned to you though, that in Atlanta I had worked, 319 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: we had a string of cases involving alcohol poison poisoning 320 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: rather forgive me, that had arisen from bathtub gin. And 321 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: that's a term that actually comes from that comes from 322 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: the twenties, you know, when prohibition was still a thing, 323 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: arguably one of the worst decisions the US government has 324 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: ever made. And bathtub gin was created literally in people's 325 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: bathtub because they could create a high volume of alcohol, 326 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: bottle it and then sell it, you know, bootlegging it. Essentially. 327 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: We're not talking about a regular still here, okay. We're 328 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: talking about and making it inside of a house in 329 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: a particular way, and people, we had a series of 330 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: these cases and it was, you know, we go on 331 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: and on where and you're you're more guilty of this 332 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: than I am, because I've been doing this for a 333 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: long time. You'll say, I hate I hate to say 334 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: that this is kind of interesting because it's so gruesome. 335 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: But you know, this is one of those one of 336 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: those moments in life that you know, as a death 337 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: investigators like, you know, I hate that the people died, 338 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: but it was kind of interesting intellectually stimulating that, you know, 339 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 1: that I would be part of an investigation and they 340 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: weren't all my cases, but that we had people that 341 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: had actually died of tainted alcohol. 342 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: And that's just seven years after prohibition. 343 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, you know back then the corner, 344 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: you know, the corners, back in the twenties, when that's 345 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: all they had, they worked those cases and you'd have 346 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: people that one of the biggest things back then was 347 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: lead poisoning that would arise from this and it would 348 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: create at all kinds of. 349 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 2: That was from the stills, right, using leadline pipes and. 350 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: Then yeah, yeah, and how they're producing this and then 351 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: not to mention anything that they would quote unquote accentuate 352 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: their own branding with chemically and you never know, you know, 353 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: what could be added. But Dave, you know, back to 354 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: this case in the. 355 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: Let me, I need to ask you more about this 356 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: bathtub gin you're talking about Metro Atlanta. Oh yeah, and 357 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: you're talking about in the nineties. 358 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: In the nineties, Yeah, that people. 359 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 2: Were actually buying you can buy gin. 360 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, they would go to homes. Uh. And if I 361 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: remember correctly, and I know that you're going to know 362 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: where I'm talking, Well, it's right by old old the 363 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: old Olympic Stadium which became Turner Field. You've been to 364 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: Braves games there as I have, And it was back 365 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: in that that area over there, there were a couple 366 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: of locations where they were making this stuff. 367 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 2: As cheap as you can buy legitimate alcohol, right, and 368 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: they would still go that way. 369 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: Well, you just no, you cut out the middleman, you 370 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: cut out the You're going directly to the purchaser. And 371 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: here's the sad thing about it. There are so many 372 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: people out there that are crippled by alcohol addiction, but 373 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: they'll go everywhere. And I've worked cases or had colleagues 374 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: that have work cases where and here's a different kind 375 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: of alcohol where there have been prisoners that were not 376 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: being treated for alcohol related dependency and they were drinking 377 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: isopropyl alcohol, rubbing alcohol in the jails if they could 378 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: get their hands on it. Because the body is so 379 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: dependent upon it's very very sad, you know, it's very lethal. 380 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: If you remember Michael Ducaccas, nineteen eighty eight Democratic nominee 381 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: for president, you remember that Michael Ducaca's wife, Kitty Ducaucus. 382 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: She was an alcoholic who ended up with Neil Pauli's 383 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 2: remover and things like that. That landed thankfully. She I 384 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: believe found recovery after that. But oh, my gosh, it's 385 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 2: been The other part is on Native American reservations in 386 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: New Mexico. I remember in Gallup, New Mexico, having a 387 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: problem with aquinet because it had such a huge hairspray 388 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: I had such a huge concentration of alcohol. They would 389 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 2: pop a nail because they didn't sell alcohol there on Sundays, right, 390 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: and they would take a nail put in the bottom 391 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 2: of that and suck the alcohol out of the aquinet, 392 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 2: which would then eat it at their throat and everything else. 393 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: And it's it's it's insidious, That's what it comes down to. 394 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: And it's a it's a dangerous it's it is. To 395 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: say that it's dangerous is certainly an understatement because it's 396 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: so insidious. 397 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: But in this case, people are buying something they trust 398 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 2: and believe it's just a harmless drink. I'm buying some 399 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 2: I'm buying a couple of bottles of lemon cello, a 400 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 2: drink my fiance and I enjoy, and we're going to 401 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: take it back to our love nest and we're gonna 402 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 2: drink it in our new found home country of Vietnam. 403 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 2: And they buy several bottles from the local restaurant. You know, 404 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: they're bottled there. They bought them there. They yet they 405 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: weren't made with ethanol. A you've been talking about what 406 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: were they made with, Joe, Why why are people dying 407 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: from this? 408 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: Well, it's made with actually methanol, not ethanol. And there's 409 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: let me just break this down. There's three different times. 410 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 2: I am such an idiot. I would just see, I 411 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 2: would know. I would just know that all and I 412 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 2: would think, okay, medium methanol. There you go, it's there. 413 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: They all there, their purpose for specific things. Listen, everybody, 414 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: if you've never even taken if you're a teetotaler and 415 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: you've never had alcohol at consumable like ethanol, then you've 416 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: been around. Is propyl alcohol. Most people have it in 417 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: their house. It's rubbing alcohol, okay, And it's used for cleansing, okay. 418 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons. You know, you go 419 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: you go to get a shot at the doctor's for instance, 420 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: you're going to swab that area, uh with with io 421 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: propyle alcohol. More than likely it's also used as a 422 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: hand cleanser, right, you know, and Lord knows, we've come 423 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: through everything with COVID there. It doesn't necessarily have a 424 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: naturally a curring smell to it. Okay, it's heightened though, 425 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: I think like a lot of things through the chemical process, 426 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: where you know, you can get a whiff of it 427 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: and you'll recognize it, recognize it immediately. But there's three 428 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: types of alcohol. We have ethanol, we have methanol, and 429 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: isoproprial alcohol commonly that we see, and every one of 430 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: these has linkage to things that are absolutely dire if 431 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: they are in fact consumed. Because they're so very, very dangerous, 432 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: most people can't appreciate it. But these young people, this 433 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: young couple that had been consuming this lemon cello, were 434 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: exposing themselves to I think personally, one of the most 435 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: dangerous types of alcohol that there is that would begin 436 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: to shut them down because it leads to it will 437 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: literally lead to a multi system or multi organ failure. 438 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: And once that train starts, okay, it's really hard to 439 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: get it stopped. Interestingly enough, one of the things there 440 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: are a couple of different types of agents out there, 441 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: Dave that you can apply if you get to the 442 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: person soon enough, and it kind of it stems it, okay, 443 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: so that they can go back into recovery. But there's 444 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: always a problem that you've got permanent organ damage along 445 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: with consumption of methanol. But you know, in the absence 446 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 1: medical practitioners will actually treat methanol poisoning with ethanol and 447 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: it counteracts. Oh wow, yeah, it kind of counteracts. 448 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 2: It's actual real alcohol, consumable alcohol. 449 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: Right, consumable alcohol. 450 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: Now, why would they use methanol, Joe? What would be 451 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: the purpose of using methanol? Is it definitely first drink 452 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: or does it require some Do I have to drink 453 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 2: a bunch or I mean, I'm thinking. 454 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: You're gonna have You're going to have effects of it 455 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: even after the consumption of just a wee bit of it. Now, 456 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the consumption of just like a 457 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: single shot of it is necessarily going to push you 458 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: over the edge. But how many people do you know 459 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: that go out and purchase like a nice bottle of 460 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: alcohol that they like, assuming that it is quote unquote safe, 461 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: are going to stop with merely one drink and it 462 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: tastes like lemons, Dave, I mean lemons not necessarily my 463 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: favorite thing in the world, but you know, I like 464 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: a good lemon pie just as much as the next person. 465 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: It's got lemons zest in it. You put it over ice. 466 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: Can you imagine you're in You're in Southeast Asia. It's 467 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: hot and human. Can you imagine how refreshing that is. 468 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: You know you're gonna and it's celebratory. It's got kind 469 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: of this uplifting But you know, by the time you've 470 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: begun to consume this to the point of where you 471 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: would normally consume an alcohol, an alcohol based beverage that 472 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: is ethanol, by that point in time, after you've had 473 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: several drinks of it, you're going down a road that 474 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: becomes very very dark, real real quick. You're you're going 475 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: to have shortness of breath, lightheadedness. They developed something that's 476 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: referred to actually as snow blindness. And this is an 477 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: interesting little kind of little caveat along with us, because 478 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: many people back in the twenties with bathtub gin, they 479 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: would go blind as a result of drinking bathtub gin. 480 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: That was one of the things that was indicative of 481 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: consumption of the stuff. But with methanol you develop what's 482 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: called snow blindness. And if I am not mistaken, one 483 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: of the victims and correct me if I'm wrong. She 484 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: actually contacted her mother in this particular case and said 485 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: that she had just this incredibly banging headache and it 486 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: was the worst I think, quote unquote, it was the 487 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: worst hangover she had ever suffered. She had survived long 488 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: enough to fire off a message to her mom. And 489 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: here was the interesting thing, Dave. She reported seeing little 490 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: black spots in front of her eyes, and it's like, 491 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: have you ever had that where you wake up in 492 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: the morning, maybe you're in a you're just you've slept 493 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: really good the night before, and it's it's kind of 494 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: hard to shake the cobwebs out, and you can't get 495 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: your eyes clear. Can you imagine, No matter how much 496 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: you rub your eyes or maybe you splash your eyes 497 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: with water, they are these black dots that are appearing 498 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: before your eyes and it's causing nerve. Damn it actually 499 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: to the optic nerve. It's gotten into the brain. At 500 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: this point in time, its uptake is into the brain, 501 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: and so that's one of the areas that it impacts 502 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: and so they developed snowblindness. And if I'm not mistaken, 503 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: this young woman actually reported to her mother that she 504 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: was having difficulties see. Yep, she did. 505 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,479 Speaker 2: It was Greta Otis and she actually did tell her 506 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 2: mother that she was having the worst hangover and told 507 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: her some of the symptoms couldn't see, she was having 508 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: trouble seeing. And I I Am just blown away by this, Joe, 509 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: because this is not a one off, is it. I mean, 510 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 2: you're describing symptoms of something that if I'm in a country, 511 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 2: I'm drinking something out of a bottle, but I purchased 512 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 2: at a legitimate place, right, it would never occur to 513 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 2: me that, Okay, you have a hangover from drinking too 514 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: much alcohol. I get it, But there is a point 515 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 2: where you know, you kind of counteract the alcoholic I 516 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 2: mean they counteracted by drinking. Okay, if you ever really 517 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 2: bad hangover, you start drinking again and you feel better 518 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 2: and it just kind of prolongs it. But you're talking 519 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 2: about something here with methanol where the people that are 520 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 2: doing this are they using it to save money? 521 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: Is alcohol? 522 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 2: Is ethyl or ethanol so expensive that methanol is a 523 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: cheaper option that they're just thinking, Hey, if I sell 524 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 2: this and they don't drink it all at one time, 525 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: they'll live and they'll just have a bad hangover. Nobody's 526 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 2: going to put two and two together because if based 527 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: on what you're saying, this sounds like murder, it doesn't 528 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 2: sound like we mixed up some brew and it affected somebody. Wrong. 529 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: You have to know the consequences of drinking all of this, 530 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 2: putting methanol instead of alcohol instead of ethanol, that people 531 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 2: are going to die. 532 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you're the consumer of it, you have 533 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: and you're no not a bad pun here. You're blind 534 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: sided by it and you and can you imagine the 535 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: level of confusion that comes along with this because you're thinking, Okay, 536 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: what's affecting me? And then she's got her fiancee there 537 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: who is equally disturbed. He's in a separate area from 538 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: where she is. 539 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 2: Until now, I did not understand that, Joe. 540 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: It's a horrific thing. Let me tell you one more 541 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: thing that's interesting about about methanol, and folks might not 542 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: realize this. Did you know that if you drink diet 543 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: sodas and this has been floating around for it, but 544 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: this is legit if you drink diet soda. Diet soda, 545 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of got that weird sweetener that's in it, aspertain. Well, 546 00:33:49,400 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: aspertain actually produces methanol and another component of of methanol. 547 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: Is you ready for this, it's formaldehyde. So it you know, 548 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: this single kick off and there were people years and 549 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: years ago that would say, and this is not true, 550 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: but they will say, well, you know, dot sotas have 551 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: got formaldehyde in it. No, it's got aspertame, which is 552 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: used to produce methanol, and methanol as a component of 553 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,800 Speaker 1: or can be used to produce formaldehyde. So it's it's 554 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,479 Speaker 1: very chemically complex, you know, like so many other things 555 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: that we talk about relative to the ingestion. And if 556 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: you're if you're just going about your life, you're young 557 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 1: couple and you're excited about the future and you're thinking, 558 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't wait to get married. We're 559 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: going to start a life, we're going to celebrate, we're 560 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 1: going to live out our dreams here in Southeast Asia. 561 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: Lord have mercy. You know, it comes to a very 562 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: sudden crashing halt, and I mean right quick, Dave. You know, 563 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: for this young couple that we've been discussing, Dave, this 564 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: isn't the only location that we're faced with this. I 565 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: hate I hate it when the news media, which I 566 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: guess to kind of a degree i'm a part of 567 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: the machine, I hate it when they throw around the 568 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: term epidemic, because epidemic implies something that is widespread and 569 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: but I don't and I don't think that this is 570 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: an epidemic. I think that it is a through line 571 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: that is running with many of these cases, Dave, just 572 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: since January, we've got this is occurring in a variety, 573 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: and I'm talking about geographically diverse areas around around the globe. 574 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: And one of the things that this made me think of, 575 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: do you remember was it the Dominican Republic. It was 576 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: like three years ago we had all those deaths at 577 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: the resorts. Do you remember that it actually went on 578 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: CNN and covered this. They didn't know what it was. 579 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: We were thinking that it was some kind of phosphate 580 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: related fertilizer that was being used. It's not regulated there, 581 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: and I don't know that they ever came up with 582 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: a solid answer, but people were terrified. I think that 583 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: was in the Dominican Republic and maybe a couple other 584 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, where people were just dropping dead. You go 585 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: on vacation and you die or become deathly ill. But 586 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: we in addition, you know, the couple was in Vietnam. 587 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: But we've got six people, including one American, that was 588 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: hit as well in Laos, right, just obviously, if you 589 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,760 Speaker 1: know anything about the history of Southeast Asian War, Laos 590 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,439 Speaker 1: is immediately adjacent. And these people wound up really really sick. 591 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: And again, David, this is methanol poisoning. 592 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 2: You know, and in that case, one was a teenager 593 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 2: that died was on life support in a Bangkok hospital. 594 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 2: So you've got people spread out to get attention, to 595 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 2: get medical attention for what is happening. But it all 596 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 2: goes back to methanol poisoning that they got from buying 597 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 2: something they thought was regular alcohol. And the reason we're 598 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 2: getting these I dare say there are enough indigenous people 599 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 2: in all these countries who are also suffering the same fate. 600 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 2: We just don't hear about them because you know, were 601 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 2: the national press takes care of foreigners, you know, they 602 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 2: cover and when that's why there will be a six 603 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 2: people died, including one America. You know, thirty three people 604 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,959 Speaker 2: died too American. And I'm not dodging anything by saying 605 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 2: and just pointing out that those are the types of 606 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 2: stories we're seeing and they all come back to methanol. 607 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 2: And that's why I was asking you a few minutes ago, 608 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 2: what would be the point? 609 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: This is what I think, and I think it has 610 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: to do with taxing of ethanol, taxing of alcohol. Okay, 611 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: because look, you have a built in people. Okay, let's 612 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: just face it this way. If Kim and I flew, 613 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: she's dying for me to take her to Puerto Rico 614 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: or US Virginiles, which I've never been to either one, 615 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: that we have an idea of sitting on white sand 616 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: beach and enjoy. We're probably going to have an adult 617 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: drink if and when we ever go. Okay, that's one 618 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: of the things that you do when you go on vacation. 619 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: You've got a built in need that's there. Well, I 620 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: think these governors of these governments are taxing ethanol, and 621 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: so the people that are trying to make money in 622 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: the middle are saying the it's a bridge too far 623 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,240 Speaker 1: for us. We've got to come up with another solution. 624 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: We've got this this event that occurs in Vietnam where 625 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: you've got these bottles that are on the back shelf. 626 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: You know, let me hook you up with this. My 627 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: one of my questions though, is that, Okay, if you're 628 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: a barman and you're working in you know, at a 629 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: resort or in a saloon, do you not have enough 630 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: sense to understand what methanol is going to do to 631 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: a fellow human being If you give it to them 632 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: and you're not going to get a return customer with this, 633 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: this is you know, you might as well be giving 634 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: them strict nine. And so that's that's what absolutely blows 635 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: my mind about this. So I think that there's economic 636 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: pressures that are being applied along the way here, because 637 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: Dave got to tell you, brother, it ain't just lows 638 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: and it just Vietnam. No, We've got a story that 639 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: dropped in January, Yeah, just last month out of Turkey. 640 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,280 Speaker 1: What was the number of people? 641 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 2: Well, there's two, okay. In one story, we had seventeen 642 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 2: people killed, twenty two hospitalized in Istanbul after drinking bootleg 643 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 2: alcohol and a number of those are still in the hospital. 644 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 2: Seven have been discharged. But seventeen people dead, twenty two 645 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,720 Speaker 2: people hospital wh wh whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? 646 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,439 Speaker 1: How many people did you say? 647 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 2: Did seventeen people died? Twenty two hospitalized? But then here 648 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 2: we go, here's another one. This just hit us poison horror. 649 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,280 Speaker 2: Suspected methanol poisoning kills thirty three in Turkey with forty 650 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 2: eight in hospitals, as four who sold tainted drinks arrested 651 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 2: for homicide. This is the question I answered at the 652 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 2: beginning with you off there, Why are we not charging 653 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 2: these people with murder? If your mix of methanol, calling 654 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,240 Speaker 2: it alcohol, I'm you know, drinking out. I'm telling you 655 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 2: you're you may as well a loaded gun and start 656 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 2: putting it into a crowd. 657 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: Because you cannot say, I don't think that you can 658 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: say any reasonable person cannot say that. They don't understand 659 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: what is the potential here? The lethality? You know, And 660 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: you make a good point by talking about pointing the 661 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: muzzle of a loaded weapon at somebody and then all 662 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: of a sudden you think that you pull the trigger 663 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,399 Speaker 1: and nothing's going to happen. Well, you're an idiot, yes, 664 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: you know. And not only you an idiot, it's not 665 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 1: even idiocy, it is it's malicious it's malevolent. It's malevolent 666 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: because now you're doing this at the risk of killing 667 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: people to make a buck, and that's what this is. 668 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: I don't know that you've got individuals that they don't 669 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: have like a serialized mentality here where they're going out 670 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: to try to poison this mean people. I think that 671 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: it is h it's monetarily driven. They want to make 672 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: as much money as they possibly can. I got to 673 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: tell you, I don't think that in Vietnam, Laos, or 674 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:18,399 Speaker 1: in certainly Turkey, I would want to be on the 675 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: end of an accusation in that governmental system of having 676 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 1: caused the death or deaths are injuries of multiple people. 677 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: I think they're going to pay a real price. We 678 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: have to be very mindful of what we consume when 679 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,839 Speaker 1: we go on any trip that's out there, because, particularly 680 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: for folks that are looking to celebrate, whatever you do, 681 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: do it with caution. Whether you're visiting my hometown of 682 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: New Orleans for carnival or any other time, or whether 683 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: you're just hanging out with friends that show up with 684 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,919 Speaker 1: a bottle of shine and say, hey, look what I got. 685 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: Try this, or whether you're going to a resort in 686 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,919 Speaker 1: a foreign country because nobody is gonna watch care over 687 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: you like you. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks.