1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Yo, I talk a lot. I know sometimes it could 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: be hard to follow me. But if you don't listen 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: to anything else, I say, listen to this. These people 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: don't give a fuck about you. We didn't talked like 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: your dad has passed away. I took you outside the office. 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: We've talked about it, We've gone through all of this. 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: You wouldn't do this to me. Not only will they 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: they're going to. Yeah, like they're going to do it. 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: It's like they're going to do you. You You're gonna 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: get done. You will be done like something like if 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: you are, if you are making the track towards being 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: somebody important or influential, somebody is going to do you. 13 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: There's no magic or sinister story to a divorce. Sometimes 14 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: it don't work out. It just doesn't work out. But 15 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: you want to believe certain people will never be happy 16 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: because their lifestyles are antithetical to happiness in a relationship. 17 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: So you want to you want to believe like like you, 18 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: like you, you you. You want to believe that right. 19 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: You want to believe that teams gives you that. In 20 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: order to do that, TMZ has to treat those people 21 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: like they're not people. They have to treat them as 22 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: if their concepts celebrity is not a person. 23 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: That's why I guess TMZ comes off a little bit 24 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: invasive and ruthless. 25 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: Right, Well, no, because they're. 26 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: They're not treating they're they're treating them kind of like. 27 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: Well, you have to write like even even the TMZ 28 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: tour was a celebrity safari, Like what's on a safari? 29 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: Animals animals, right and so and so like when when 30 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: you like the tours celebrities for its animals, right, and 31 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: so you do that, right and what you what you 32 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: say is okay, Well, in order to be a celebrity, 33 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: the game is pr at its base, right, So this 34 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: is what you sign up for kind of right, because 35 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: like there are certain things that you don't sign up for. 36 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: I'll never talk I'll never I'll never forget this. There 37 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: was the sister of a celebrity that had that had 38 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: had something taught done to them. I'll never forget. I'm 39 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: not gonna talk about who I had the conversation with. 40 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, we shouldn't do that. And they did 41 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: the story and this dude went on fucking and let 42 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: us fucking have and I was like, yo, we had 43 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: to take it down and apologize and do all that 44 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: stuff like yo, like there's a limit to this. And 45 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: that's not me making a moral judgment on team team. 46 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you the way things go. So like 47 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: when you know all of that, when you have an 48 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: idea of what drives that, Like, obviously there they're moral. 49 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: There are things that you have to not care about 50 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: to work there. But most of the people there are 51 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: good people. They're just desensitized to whatever was going on 52 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: there because that's what they work, like like that, like 53 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: that's what they do. I'm there. It's the same thing. 54 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: Things are coming in at a certain point you go, 55 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: god damn, you know, and it's there will be little 56 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: small things. This is a football player that had this 57 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: video come out of some altercation. It was in and 58 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: it said savage beating by this and I was just 59 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: looking at the hellline. I'm like, that's I don't think 60 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: we should go savage beating there, Like I think savage 61 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: is like a it's like an interesting way or there's 62 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: just little small things. Uh. The mayor of DC died, 63 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: Maror Marion Barry Crack. Mayor Marion Barry dies like he 64 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: died and like by the way the people in DC 65 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: are going to freak the funk out because I don't 66 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: know if you guys know, but Marion Barry was with 67 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Junior like where I'm from, Like I 68 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: deal with a group of people, a community, people that 69 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: are always categorized by the worst moment that they have. 70 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: And I don't feel comfortable with categorizing a man that 71 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: means so much to his city by the worst, most 72 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: scandalous thing he ever had. You can't talk about his 73 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: life without talking about that, but maybe in the headline 74 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: you don't do that. So it so all of those 75 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: things start to start to happen. And so for me, 76 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: what the place represents is not even so much a 77 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: bunch of not even so much a bunch of moral 78 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: people that are running around trying to get the dirn 79 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: on celebrities. It represents our relationship to celebrity and our 80 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 1: relationship to ourselves because there's no fucking reason whatsoever why 81 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: we should spend so much time talking about what happens 82 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: in the lives of famous people. It just really like, 83 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: at its core, it just doesn't matter. And even to 84 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: this day on the podcast, I still do it. And 85 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: the reason why I still do it. I don't get 86 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: the stories, but you try to extrapolate larger conversations out 87 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: of these things and talk about them with notable people. 88 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: But really it's just the need to talk about things 89 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: that people care about, and for whatever reason, people care 90 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: about celebrity and fame. 91 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: Okay, can that makes sense? So going back to your story, Yeah, 92 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 2: so you're at TMZ for nine years, you said, and 93 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: then what happens after that? 94 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: After that? 95 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: Wait, what happened with your ending in TMZ? 96 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: I got fired for what? An altercation inside the office 97 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: with a white boy? 98 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: You say altercation? 99 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: No hands? They say I use hands? 100 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 2: They say you used hands? Did you use hands? Yeah? 101 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: Not in any real way. 102 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: I mean not in a real way. What did you 103 00:05:59,279 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: like that? 104 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: Like, No, I'm not gonna smack nobody. See, I would 105 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: never This is the funny thing that would never happen, Right. 106 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: That would never happen. You said, a white boy. I'm like, 107 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: maybe you went light on him, you smacked him. 108 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: This guy was my guy, still is my guy. He's 109 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: a Republican. Whatever, tell you what happened. I'm an emotional person. 110 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 2: I can kind of see that very true. 111 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: Uh, They they wanted me to talk about. There's only 112 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: one thing I don't want to talk about, Hurricane Katrina. 113 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: I just don't want to talk about it. Like even 114 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: saying the name Hurricane Katrina, like right now it makes 115 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: me want to cry. I just don't want to talk 116 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: about it, don't want think about I want to talk 117 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: about don't want talk about it. I don't very tough, 118 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: very hard. And there was this story that had gone 119 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: on in the newsroom earlier where George Bush was being 120 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: cool with like Ellen DeGeneres, thats some football games, and 121 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: I was like, it doesn't matter what you guys say 122 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: about George Bush. I don't give a fuck that he paints. 123 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck that show Obama like George Bush, 124 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: fuck George Bush forever, Like it doesn't matter. I don't 125 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: give a fuck. Who's the who's worse fucking forever wheels 126 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: in the water. He didn't care that. The way it 127 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: goes like, hey, we're gonna bring this back and you're 128 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: so passionate about it, and the thing it's like, guys, 129 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it. Oh, I told you, 130 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: I want to talk about guys, And do I want 131 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: talk about Like No, I'm like I'm like, please, please, 132 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: I'm like please, I don't want to. I want to 133 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: discuss it. I'm here, I do everything. I've been the 134 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: funny nigga for a long time. I've been the I do. 135 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm the Swiss Army Knife of niggas. I'm the funny nigga. 136 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: I'm the basketball nigga. I'm the who look at the 137 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: ass nigga. I'm like all that I've been. This just 138 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying, don't don't. I don't want to talk about it. 139 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: You gotta do it, fam we need you. Okay. So 140 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: I get on there and I'm talking my whole thing, 141 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: and this guy out there hosting the show, he's cutting 142 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: me off, and he's speaking to me in a way 143 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: that I don't like. Anytime you speak to me in 144 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: a way that I don't like, we have a conversation 145 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: about it, Okay, is it? So? This is le genially 146 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: how this happened. I challenge anyone to watch the video. 147 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: Guys up there, he's sitting down, he's doing the show. 148 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: I know him now. I know him like we're friends, 149 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: and we're friends. Now he's up there and he's doing 150 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: the show. He's done this already and I don't want 151 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: to yell at him across the newsroom make a big scene. 152 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: So I go up to him while he's sitting down, 153 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: and I put my hands on his shoulders, and you 154 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: can see me on the video. I'm whispering into his ear. 155 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: I'm whispering into his ear. 156 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: Does he turn around to do the whole big scene? 157 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: Nah, he turns around and he moves his hand from 158 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: off my shoulder and I'll move it and then and 159 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: then I whispering to his ear, and I say, and 160 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: you can see me leaving. I pat him on the side. 161 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: You can see me leaving, and I do like this, 162 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: and I walk back. The last thing I said to 163 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: him was not something that you should say to somebody 164 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: in the office. He stood up and I was like, whatever, 165 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: I don't even. 166 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: Want to hear it. 167 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: The last thing that I said is something. And so 168 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: when I said that, Charles said, Van go home. 169 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: What did you say? 170 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: No? So the like so the I mean, the last 171 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: thing was a threat. It was no, no, no, that wasn't. 172 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: A it was a lights out. 173 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: The last thing was a threat. It wasn't a threat 174 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: as in I'm gonna do something to you. It was 175 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: a threat as in these are my limits. 176 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't cross that line again. 177 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and and that's probably too far for Charles. 178 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: Charles Charles goes Van go home. That's the last time 179 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: I was ever in TMZ. It was funny because when 180 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: they called me, I knew I was gonna have to 181 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: it was gonna have to bench be for a little while, right, 182 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: uh that Yeah, so listen, it's funny. So I'm on 183 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: the thing and I'm like, I'm one of the phone 184 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: with the HR people and they go, yeah, did you 185 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: choke him? And I went wait what And they were 186 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: like yeah, did you put your hands around his neck? 187 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: And I was like oh. And I was like, guys, 188 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: this is Van. Hey, it's me. Circus Bear like, hey, 189 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: it's Vans. This is Van. Think about what you're asking me. 190 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: Think about if you're asking me whether or not I 191 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: choked Mike in in front of the whole newsroom. It's me. 192 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: I know you guys as children, I'd be around y'all 193 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: like it's Van, Hey, it's me. Now come back the 194 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: whole thing. I was like, oh, they about to do me, 195 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: and they did. And it was like the funny thing 196 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: about it was so all of these conversations. It's like 197 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: stuff happens. I end up being terminated. Karen, my manager, 198 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: like automatically has stuff. So we're taking all kinds of meanings. 199 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: We're doing all kinds of stuff. Nobody guys is off 200 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: me right, we're doing the same stuff. Because literally my 201 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: contract was up at TMZ in about four more weeks, 202 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: and I had already told them I wasn't resigning, So 203 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: if they thought they would have had me for a 204 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: longer term, there's no way they would have fired me. 205 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: But it's like whatever, this is a way to try 206 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: to maybe save some money, get off from under it. 207 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: This is cool. 208 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: So my it starts to get around the office that 209 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm not coming back. So my coworkers throw me a 210 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: going away party, including the guy that I supposedly chose 211 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: who comes to the going away party. And after that 212 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: that was on a Saturday, pictures go up on Instagram 213 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: on Monday. Paid six colls me and we heard that 214 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: you got fired. We heard that you got fired. We 215 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: heard it there was some kind of office altercation. We 216 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: heard there was all of this stuff, and I'm like 217 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: fuck now, I'm like god, damn, now I'm the six 218 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: foot fourth scary nigga, are you six four? Don't play 219 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: so now and so and so. Now I'm like and so. 220 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: Now I'm like six foot, I'm like er er And 221 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: they put up an article and the article was like 222 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: super it went soft on me. Everybody loves fan and 223 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: all of this stuff like that. TMZ got their asses kicked. 224 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: Everybody was coming at them, like everybody and so then 225 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: the next day the office struck back. And this is 226 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: one of the most important moments of my career. Yo, 227 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: I talk a lot. I know sometimes it could be 228 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: hard to follow me. But if you don't listen to 229 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: anything else, I say, listen to this. These people don't 230 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: give a fuck about you. They don't tell you what 231 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: we do as black people. Sometimes what we do is 232 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: like the record label becomes a crew and a family. 233 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, the. 234 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: Production group becomes a crew and a family. We gotta sign, 235 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: we got a logo, we got all of this stuff 236 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: and boom boom boom, boom boom, and we cool. I 237 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: know your kids, I know I know all of these 238 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: people around you. We didn't talked like your dad has 239 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: passed away. I done took you outside the office. We've 240 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: talked about it. We've gone through all of this. You 241 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't do this to me. Not only will they they're 242 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: going to Yeah, like they're going to do it. It's 243 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: like they're going to do you. You're gonna get done. 244 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: You will be done like something like if you are 245 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: if you are making the track towards being somebody important 246 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: or influential, somebody is going to do you. You will 247 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: be done. So the question is for you is how 248 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: are you gonna respond to it? As much naive? This 249 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: is coming from a man at that time who was 250 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: thirty nine years old. I didn't think they would do 251 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: me that way. And the reason why I didn't think 252 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: they would do me that way, it's not because it's 253 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: because Yo, I know these people. It's to the point 254 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: to me to where if I if I pick up 255 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: your baby and hold your bab I'm from ban Rouge. 256 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: If I pick up your baby, if I don't fuck 257 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: with you and get that little nigg away from me. 258 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: But like if if I pick up your baby and 259 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: hold your baby and all your wife and I've been 260 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: to your crib and all of that stuff, I'm thinking 261 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a point where where somebody's gonna 262 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: want to make me look in a certain way and 263 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: somebody's gonna go, we can't do that to that. 264 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, but does it also make you wonder like kind 265 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: of going back to the Jesus days, like the whole Judas, 266 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: Like which one like with that piece of advice or 267 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: that's that statement? Do you think that people should be 268 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: also double looking over like which one of their crew 269 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: is gonna be the one that kisses. 270 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: Them on the cheek? No? No, do you know what 271 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: we forget about Judas? What that he got paid? The 272 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: money is the Judas I understand. So so hear me out. 273 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: So the route is always gonna be in the industry itself, the. 274 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: Root, the what pulls you apart, what brings you together 275 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: with these people is the commerce, and what pulls you 276 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: apart is the commerce. Yeah. Sure they liked me, but 277 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: I was good for business. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, 278 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: they liked me. They definitely liked me. But I was funny, 279 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: and I was smart, and I was devastatingly handsome, and 280 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: I was and I was all of those they like. 281 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: They they liked me, but I was good for business 282 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of the things that I got away 283 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: with there I wouldn't have gotten away with if I 284 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: wasn't good for business, and at that point I was bad. 285 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: For business, but they threw the mud back on you, right. 286 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: So I was bad for business. And the moment that 287 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: I became bad for business we talked about before was 288 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: not a person anymore. It's like a thing. So Judas, Yeah, 289 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: he did what he did. They paid him thirty pieces 290 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: of silver. The thing is going to get you. Just 291 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: be prepared for the thing, the thing when you're no longer, 292 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: when they no longer have to protect you. First of all, 293 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't have to protect you won't. That's the 294 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: first thing. And secondly, if you're a threat to the money. 295 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, your toast. 296 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: So at that point everybody is making them look bad. 297 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: They're like they don't want to be embarrassed. People are 298 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: asking if TMZ is racist. People are starting to say 299 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: the TMZ fire Van because vancd to Kanye West. It's 300 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: all of this stuff. If somebody would have got on 301 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: the phone with me, I swear to God, if somebody 302 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: would have called me and be like, Van, we're taking 303 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: a beating. Is there something you can say? I'd have 304 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: done them a solid because that's out of done them 305 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: a solid because I had no fucking problem with being 306 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: where I was. It was aw cool. I had everything 307 00:16:59,160 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: set up. 308 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: So, oh that's what that was gonna be My next question. 309 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: So what was your mindset at when all of this 310 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 2: was going on? 311 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: I started having heart problems? 312 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 2: Well, I thought you just said that. What do you 313 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: mean while were you having heart problems? 314 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: Was stressed out? 315 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 2: Ok? 316 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: Sorry? Like when I say I started having heart problems, 317 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: it's like there's something called preventricular contractions. It's like a 318 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: skipping of the beat. Like I was so stressed that 319 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: I was like to play basketball very active. I was 320 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: so stressed that my heart started missing timy. It was 321 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: boom boom boom boom boom boom. 322 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: When you were stressed over what just the whole transition 323 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: and where your next road was going? 324 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole deal, think about it, right, like the 325 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: whole deal. But here's the deal though. I say all 326 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: this to say this. People look for God in like 327 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: the sky, but sometimes God is on the ground too, 328 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: and he's like right where you're walking. I had to 329 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: go through that, you know why, because I had to 330 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: put people through that. I had to go through that 331 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:13,239 Speaker 1: because I had written and hit publish on headlines that 332 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: had made people feel that way. I had got on 333 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: TV and talked about people in a way that made 334 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: them go, shit, these people don't know me. I had 335 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: been a part of stories that portrayed people in a 336 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: light that's not quite accurate to who they actually are 337 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: without me really knowing them. I had been a part 338 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: of that. 339 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 2: So but you had You've been a part of it 340 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 2: without the relationship. It's different. Obviously if you have the 341 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 2: relationship and you're pushing the published button. 342 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: That all feels the same. Because like for me seeing 343 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: me on page six and seeing me going through all 344 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: of this stuff and me going, hey, guys, you guys 345 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: know me. This is not the thing. This is not 346 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: the deal seeing something out of context played up. All 347 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: the little micro feelings about black men are right there. 348 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: Which is a maritime before Van snapped. It's a maritime 349 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: before Van hurt somebody. This was a maritime before he 350 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: showed us who he really is. Remember, when a white 351 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: person does something wrong, it's somebody who did something wrong. 352 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: When a black person does something wrong, they're showing us 353 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: who they really are the whole time. So it's so 354 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: so all of this stuff, it's like I went through that, 355 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, cool, no more of that 356 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: for me. I have to feel that, like, I'm not 357 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: one of those persons. I always get caught when I 358 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: do something wrong. I always it always comes back to me. 359 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: He don't want me to escape without feeling it. Yeah, 360 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: so it always comes back to me. And I could 361 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: not leave there having done the Kanye thing and looked 362 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: like some kind of big deal or whatever. I could 363 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: not have left there without being on the other side 364 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: of a headline. And so that's the way it went. 365 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: Take the lesson, move on, continue to do dope shit, 366 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: do as much as you can, but like it. And also, 367 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: you know, I had been to grilled cheese laying already. 368 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: If I had to go back there again, I could. 369 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 2: Now that you're older, do you It's I've been to 370 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: the broke land. But I promise you I'm terrified of 371 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 2: going back. But I meet so many people on this 372 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 2: show that'll be like, I'll fault bankruptcy. I'll go back again. 373 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: I'm not worried about it. You're not at that phase 374 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: where you really genuinely don't want to go back. 375 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: To me, I can't go back now. I could if 376 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: I had to go back, it would happen, right, But 377 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: I can't go back now. 378 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: Why do you see that. 379 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: We lost dad? So we lost dad in twenty twenty one, 380 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: and it just changed, like it changed everything, like when 381 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: we lost them, when we lost the old man. It's 382 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: like I remember when you get the news. I go 383 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: to ban Rouge and right away people start asking me 384 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: stuff and it really didn't matter. I'm not used to 385 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: people asking me stuff like in a family way, and 386 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: then my decision being what they do and shout out 387 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: to Bill Man, like you know, Bill goes So, I 388 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: a guy work with at the Ringer. Bill hit Bill. 389 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, Bill goes Hey. He's like, man, He's like 390 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: he's honest with me right there. He's like, man, I'm 391 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: telling you right now, when you go down there, now 392 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna be different, Like you're going to have to 393 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: be the guy. And I'm not saying that I am 394 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: the guy in my family. 395 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that, like, you're also the youngest, aren't you. 396 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the youngest, but I'm also I mean, in 397 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: terms of this immediate family, I want to parse apart 398 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: all my family dynamics, but like they rely on me, 399 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: so it it. So because of that now it's not 400 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: even now. The fucking roof gotta get changed. Like stuff 401 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,959 Speaker 1: gotta happen. And even if my dad was around and 402 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: he couldn't do it, he had a way to get 403 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: it done. He was a useful, resourceful, responsible, old school man. 404 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: You say that, but going back to when your mom left, 405 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: you were saying that, like if the stove broke, you 406 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 2: guys were like, well, he. 407 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: Wasn't that way with him, but he would be that 408 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: way with you. So if it's him, he man. When 409 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: I went to his crib, like after he had passed away, 410 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: like I see y'all got the wires and all this stuff, 411 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: and you know, it's a production house. That's how it goes. 412 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: So I go to this nigga shit and I'm in 413 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: there and it's like it's weird, Like death is so 414 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: weird because you're gone, but everything else around you is 415 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: like the same. So I go into his house and 416 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: the outdoor channel like he's a hunting fish, So the 417 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: outdoor channel is still on, like it's still on, like 418 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: he's he's the only thing that's not alive in the 419 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: room is him. Like the outdoor channel is still on 420 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: in the middle of the thing. His saddle is on 421 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: the saddle horse that you put on in the room 422 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: next to him, all of his hunting stuff is there. 423 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: He has stuff laid out for the next time he's 424 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: going hunting. His gun is taking a part. He was 425 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 1: oiling it the night before he passed away, so like 426 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: he wasn't expecting to die, right, And so I'm going 427 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: there and I look and I see that he's running 428 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: power out of one of the rooms into his bathroom. 429 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm like this, nigga is good for nigga ing and 430 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: some shit. Why don't you just do whatever you gotta 431 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: do to have the people come out there and have 432 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: the power. I see if it would have been me 433 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: doing that, If it had been me doing that, he say, boy, 434 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: fix that. He's just used to dealing with a little 435 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: bit less and then kind of making sure that you don't. 436 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: So for him to be like gone and for people 437 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: to know that they can't just because sometimes he didn't 438 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: have it to give to you. He just had a 439 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: strategy for you. And that's the craziest thing. When you 440 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: need when you need one hundred and fifty dollars for 441 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: somebody and they ain't got nothing, but advice. You know, well, 442 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's like you know what 443 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, that's that's sometimes he didn't have it, 444 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: but like since then, like I could go back to 445 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: grilled cheese. I can get used to anything, but we 446 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: can't go back to grill Yeah, yeah, I get it, 447 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: Like we can't. 448 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 2: I get it. 449 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: It's like niggas. And that's funny because and they know 450 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: that because they don't even ask for the same amount 451 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: of money before. Like if you if you got a 452 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: thousand bucks in the bank account, people go, yo, man, 453 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: let me hold, let me hold, let me hold one 454 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: hundred bucks, bro the whole hundred dollars. Man, I need that. 455 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: But if you don't, the numbers get crazy. What you mean, 456 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: oh bruh, the numbers get crazy. It's like, yeah, I 457 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: need four thousand dollars. What the fuck you need for? 458 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: You ain't got a four thousand dollar life? 459 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: Like what what? 460 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: What? What the fuck you need four thousand dollars for? Man, 461 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: I I need four thousand dollars? All right, Cool, you 462 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: need four thousand what like what? Like I don't know, 463 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: like you know, you know the whole thing, and I'm 464 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: not like you hear other people talking about this and 465 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: they are actually really rich. I'm doing okay, yeah, and they. 466 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: They hating you for real. So when you come back 467 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: to you give them what your dad gives you. No, no, 468 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 2: let me tell you how to get this. 469 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: For now, I gotta help out. I like it. I 470 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: gotta help out as much as I can. But but see, 471 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: this is the way I help out. I make you 472 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: earn it. And listening to me, Oh god, I love. 473 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: It, Oh my god, one of those I. 474 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: Make you earn it. Sure, ye gotta do it, gotta 475 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: do it, gotta do it. I make you earn Hey. Now, look, 476 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna send this to you, but we gotta talk 477 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: about how you live it. But we're doing it. 478 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: That's messed up. 479 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: Man. I'm not a fucking atmarious, So we at least 480 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: got to have a conversation about how we could be better. 481 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 482 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: Now, I got rules of the game. If it's mom is, 483 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: just give me the bill director. 484 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: We all know that all of this doesn't it doesn't. 485 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: This is not a mother grandmother thing. Mother and grandmother 486 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: don't they don't even ask, they don't, they don't even 487 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: ask like they really don't ask like they like it's 488 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: like you'll come to their house, come to my mother 489 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: in my grandmother's house, and they really doing the old 490 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: small TV on top of the big Curtis Mathews. I'm like, nah, man, 491 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: we gotta, we gotta, we gotta go get this whole situation. 492 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: So they don't even ask. Obviously, with your mom, it's 493 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: not that big of a deal. 494 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 2: Oh of mine. I'm just like, I have to pay 495 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 2: direct because it's never gonna get to whoever you owe. 496 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: They want your mom not gonna pay the. 497 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: Bill if I give my If my mom has a 498 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 2: thousand dollars light bol hence her thousand dollars light bl 499 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 2: you see where we're going, She'll be like, you give 500 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: her the money. She'll be like, I know that they'll 501 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 2: keep the lights on. If I just give them ten, you'd. 502 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: Be like, just pay the bill. 503 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 2: So I'll just be like, send me the bill direct. 504 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: I see. This is why I love talking to people, 505 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: and that's how I know you Black. That's why I 506 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: love talking to people because I remember back in the day, 507 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: I don't even know you could do that. 508 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,479 Speaker 2: I never knew you could do that until I discovered 509 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 2: my mom can rack a bill's extremely high. 510 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: My mom time, my momy told me to pay the 511 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: light bill. She was like telling me, come by there 512 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: and you'll drop them off seventy dollars. I'm like, drop 513 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: them off seventy dollars, she said, telling me drop them 514 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: off seventy dollars. Was like, you can drop them off 515 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: seventy dollars. And she was like, yeah, they want you 516 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: to pay something. You drop them off the seventy dollars 517 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: and then you come back a little bit later. I 518 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: remember once, it's just so many stories. Mom sprayed mace 519 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: at the feet of the light guy, the light build god, 520 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: so he couldn't come cut the lights off. She made 521 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: some she makes the light buil god, no way swear 522 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: light buil God. Mased them and then told him that 523 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: the house was covered in the blood of Jesus and 524 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: that if he came in there, his blessing was gonna 525 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: be cut because she was trying to turn the lights 526 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: off on her kids. Maceed them and then it was like, 527 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm letting you know, this house is covered by the 528 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: blood of Jesus's coming here. This is crazy. She had 529 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: she had force, she had the Bible, she had all 530 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: kinds of stuff anyway, So all of that stuff now 531 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: is just like now you're blessed, you're walking in abundance, 532 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: and you're trying your best to be available to the 533 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: people that you care about. I care about all of 534 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: black people. That's why I care about you. That's why 535 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: you have to be investigated by the BBI, and we 536 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: have to make sure. 537 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 2: I don't even understand the point of the investigation. 538 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: Okay, the point of the investigation for you, the point 539 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: of So what we do with the Biracial Bureau of 540 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: Investigation is we make sure that we we identify the 541 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: problematic biracials that exist amongst us. 542 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 2: What do you mean the problematic? You mean the ones 543 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 2: that don't claim they're black. I knew that's what it was. 544 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 2: I knew I'm not one of those. I passitest me. 545 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 2: Acknowledging my nationality does not negate whether I'm black, whether 546 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: I'm not acknowledging I'm black. 547 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: I'll say right there, I'll say, right now, your prospects 548 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: are good. 549 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 2: My prospects are hella good. 550 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: But we're gonna have to go deep. We're gonna have. 551 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 2: After you read, after you reborn a crime. We could talk, 552 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: but we're not gonna. 553 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: I'll read Trevor's book. I'll actually add his book to 554 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: it is the Curriculum to be Beyond. 555 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: One of my favorite books. Ryan, it's one of your 556 00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: favorite books. 557 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: Ryan, Fuck with that? Ryan? You biracial? 558 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 4: You are? 559 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: What? 560 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 3: What? 561 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: What are you? 562 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: Vietnamese? Oh? 563 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 2: Soo? 564 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: One Vietnamese parent, one white paranent Okay, that counts. 565 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, I don't know. 566 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: Is that by racial? 567 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 2: I was like, wait, you got blacking him? 568 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: Hold up? 569 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 2: You do that kind of the second he said biracial ship? 570 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: But baby, you know you never know? But but no, 571 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: you should. You should check out the Trevor note Book. 572 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 2: I promise you. It's a great read. You'll you'll probably 573 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: end your BBI commission after that. 574 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no. 575 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: I know what you mean though, because I've met people 576 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: that are like you know, they won't exactly acknowledge the 577 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: black if they're half. But I acknowledge it, but I 578 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: also acknowledged the other. 579 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: It's more of a bit than it is anything else. 580 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna have a lot of fun with you. 581 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 2: Is there any way people could keep up with you? 582 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: Now? 583 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 2: It's the success Story. 584 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: Still Grinding Hire Learning Podcasts on the Ringer Podcast Network 585 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: with My Fantastic co host Rachel Lindsay. Fantastic co host 586 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: Rachel Lindsay, The Midnight Boys podcast on the Ringer Podcast Network, 587 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: The ring Verse, Uh you see me on CNN. The 588 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: movie company is doing well. Life is moving in a 589 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: positive direction. I'm not where I want to go by 590 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: my moay. 591 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,959 Speaker 2: I do want to touch on the Academy Award winning like, 592 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 2: can we backcheck to that? That was before you were 593 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: that was after you're fired, So. 594 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to do it if I'd 595 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: still been at Team Z. 596 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 2: Okay, did you know you were going to work on 597 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: that project when you were getting fired or did it. 598 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: Just come out after? Kay? 599 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: Was it around the George Floyd or okay, during the COVID. 600 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: During COVID Okay, yeah, okay, idea money execution. You never 601 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. 602 00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: How do you feel about with everything that happened during COVID, 603 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: how these brands are now supporting black business, Like, how 604 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 2: do you feel about it? 605 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: What do you mean how they support it? I don't 606 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: think they are. Well. 607 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 2: There was a period during the whole black lives. To me, 608 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: it feels like the world had to come to an end, 609 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,959 Speaker 2: Like literally sports had to end, The whole world had 610 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 2: to stop for everyone to say, what is happening to 611 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,479 Speaker 2: blacks is really bad? It literally took If I think 612 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: if sports was running at the same time, it'd be 613 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 2: like any other year. But what I did notice, like 614 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 2: there was a lot of like I know, a lot 615 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 2: of brands that got distribution because they were black owned, 616 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,239 Speaker 2: or if you had a black in the title of 617 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 2: anything that you were doing around that time, you were 618 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 2: getting distribution. You were getting sales from white you know, 619 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 2: white ran companies. 620 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Ah, So it's interesting there was an opportunity there 621 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: that was missed, and was missed for myriad reasons. America's 622 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: inability to reconcile its relationship with black Americans will be 623 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: the thing that destroys America because if you cannot reconcile. 624 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: In reconciling America's relationship historically and contemporarily with black people, 625 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: you actually address many different American problems. You address American inequity, 626 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: you address capitalism, you address you address so many of 627 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: the different problems that exist for Americans across the lower 628 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: class spectrum, right, But you can't really do it because 629 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: number One, there is a way that things are supposed 630 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: to go in the country, and there's a fixed middle 631 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: to lower class in the country, and the threat of 632 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: those people becoming anything other than that threatens the way 633 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: things are supposed to go. With black people specifically, It's 634 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: this simple, and I know this sounds very unintellectual. America 635 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: just don't want niggas to have shit. Yeah, all right, 636 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: and so and here's the example to that real quick. 637 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go on and on like I do 638 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: everything that America has told black people to do to 639 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: get a hit in America, black people have done. Black 640 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: people bought land. We own more land in nineteen oh 641 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: five than we own now. Bought land top four white owners, 642 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: white land owners, and all of America owned more land 643 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: than all of Black America combined. Right, we owned land. 644 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: They took the land. They took the land through terrorism, 645 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: they took the land through contract bind We started thriving 646 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: communities everywhere. They just said, no, we try to buy houses. 647 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: They said no, we tried whatever we did, they just 648 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: colluded to take it away. It Like you when people 649 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: talk about Greenwood, I know you know, Tulsa is the 650 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 1: one that sticks out in people's minds. What destroyed Tulsa 651 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 1: was not the riot. It's not what destroyed Tulsa. Tulsa 652 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: was known as Black Wall Street after the riot. They rebuilt. 653 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: They had enough money to do that. You know. What 654 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: destroyed Tulsa urban renewal. Urban renewal, which was a plan 655 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: to take areas of inner city America, places that were 656 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: deemed inner city or low low income and like run 657 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: fucking freeways through them. Tulsa got fucked over because they 658 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: ran a fucking freeway through it. The peoples. They couldn't 659 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: take the people's land any other way. So they use 660 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: urban renewal, imminent domain, all different types of things like 661 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: that to dispossess these people of what they had built, 662 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: and they of their communities, right, and so all of 663 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: that stuff is to say that racism and and the 664 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 1: idea that black people are supposed to be lesser than 665 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: is so deeply entrenched in the American psyche that if 666 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: it's not dealt with, and if it's not, if we 667 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: don't come to terms with it, then America can't exist 668 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: in any real functional way. And it's only so long, right, 669 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: we think that it can. We think that it could 670 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: just be like this forever. It can't. Because you start 671 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: turning the blond eyed to the middle class, then you 672 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: rode your ability to be a stable community, right you, 673 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: Income inequality a stable society. Income inequality goes crazy. All 674 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: of those things happen because they are huge chunks of 675 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: the American electorate that people just are okay with saying 676 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 1: they don't matter. George Floyd gets killed in front of everybody, 677 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: and then people go, okay, well maybe we should do 678 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 1: more for black people. Did they let us tell them 679 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: the way they should do more? Right? They donated to 680 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 1: three or four places, made those places rich, and then 681 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: heaped the entire reputation on Black America on what those 682 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: people did with the money. So, like what I'm saying 683 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: is right now. It's people would answer to these questions, 684 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,919 Speaker 1: but they would have to be the questions that would 685 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: have to be asked seriously, and they never will. And 686 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: I want you to have nothing brought you over here 687 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: as a slave in order to make it make sense 688 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: to them and to trick themselves into believing, they have 689 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: to trick themselves into believing you were subhuman. And after 690 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: three generations. They really believe it. Yes, right. I mean 691 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: when you're first kidnapping someone and you see a mother 692 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: being separated from a child, you might feel something inside 693 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: you that says that's wrong. But see about like one 694 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 1: hundred years after that, that's gone because you have now 695 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: like purposefully endeavored into a psychosis that makes you, that 696 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: makes the way this country runs. You have to approach 697 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: that as if it's true. And that's where we are. 698 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: And so the only thing for us to do is 699 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: to disassociate with that and do what eighty five souths 700 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: and so many other people are doing here, which is 701 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: collect advice. Do it for yourself, like depend on yourself 702 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: and have solidarity with yourself. Se grilled cheese too. 703 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 2: Grilled cheese too. Look at that grilled cheese. 704 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: You like it. 705 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 2: It's good. It's good. Eat your grilled cheese. Thank you 706 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 2: so much for your time. We appreciate it. And I'll 707 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 2: catch up with you. And we're in La. 708 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, catch up. We have your We have an IR 709 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: on you. 710 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna see what your your reading history 711 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 2: is looking like. 712 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 3: Hey, what up? 713 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,479 Speaker 2: Jay suck? 714 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 4: All right, it's a rap secret ingredient, yo. Picture this 715 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 4: a parallel dimension where Van Lathan's born without his secret sauce, 716 00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 4: that raw, unfiltered candor and this twisted reality that legendary 717 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 4: Larry Flint joke never lands, Harvey's approval never earned TMZ 718 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 4: producer status, never achieved. And when Kanye's spit in nonsense 719 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 4: in the newsroom, insulting everybody in their mama, ain't nobody 720 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 4: stepping up to check him. But in our world, Van 721 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 4: Laythan's keeping it one thousand. He's got that freedom to 722 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,919 Speaker 4: speak his mind, and it's not just opening doors for him, 723 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 4: it's straight of kicking them off their hinges. Van Laythan 724 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 4: teaches us that when candor is your secret ingredient, life 725 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 4: can hand you all the lemons it wants, you just 726 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 4: throw them lemons right back and whip up a banging 727 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 4: ass grilled cheese sandwich. I'm calling wit, and you've been 728 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 4: listening to Eating While Broke. 729 00:38:42,760 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 2: Peace out for more Eating While Broke from iHeartRadio and 730 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 2: The Black Effect, Visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 731 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 2: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.