1 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Kalang. Here's 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: cal If you've ever looked down at your pants and 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: thought these things need more batteries, wires, struts, maybe some hydraulics, 5 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: I got news for you. A company called Skip recently 6 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: released a pair of motorized pants they called the world's 7 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: first powered clothing. Skip Mountain Goat pants feature and integrated 8 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: robotic knee brace that the company claims boosts a user's 9 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: legs by up to forty percent. The trousers weighs seven pounds, 10 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: are made of carbon fiber, and have rechargeable batteries that 11 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: last about three hours. The company claims the pants can 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: make the wearer feel up to thirty pounds lighter, and 13 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: adjust the amount of assistance based on a real time 14 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: monitoring of leg movements. You're paying attention to the Old 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: Cow Instagram feed, you'll see that Architecics is teaming up 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: here and releasing a pair of robo bridges of their own. 17 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: Forty three year old Natalie says the pants make her 18 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: feel like she's in her twenties again. Seventy one year 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: old Peter can't remember the last time his knees felt 20 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: this good, and sixty three year old Trish says it's 21 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: the first time she's summited a mountain in over two decades. 22 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: I just hope they all remember to charge their pants 23 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: for the way back down regular listeners so the podcast 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: know that. I generally think we need less technology in 25 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: the woods, not more. Seems like if someone is having 26 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: trouble summitting a mountain, improving their actual body with physical 27 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: therapy or a healthy diet might be a better solution 28 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: than technology. But if mountain goa pants can keep more 29 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: people in the outdoors longer, who am I to judge? 30 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: A lot of health benefits from being outside kids and 31 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: those shouldn't be reserved just for the young folk or 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: should they? Let me know what you think by writing 33 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: in to ask Cal at the meteater dot com Ask 34 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: c A l At the meeater dot com. This week 35 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: we've got Griz the crime Desk, watch where you Weighed, 36 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: and so much more of it. First, I'm going to 37 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: tell you about my week, and my week was just 38 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: so flipped on its head by the arrival of the robopants. 39 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: We did a big content and Product Summit here in Bosangelus, 40 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: So we brought all of the awesome people I'm fortunate 41 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: enough to work with here to Bozeman and we talked 42 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: about gear and product and got to learn about new 43 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: stuff and innovation from our longtime awesome partners at on X. 44 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: We talked to folks that are doing cool stuff at Moultrie, 45 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: talked to folks who are doing cool stuff at SIG, 46 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: and then we kicked those folks out and talked about 47 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: all of our stuff that we're working on on first 48 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: Light product and Phelps product and FHF product. Super cool 49 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: to see every everybody. We're getting big folks, hard to 50 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: know everybody's names and all that stuff. So a little 51 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: FaceTime is very valuable. And had a few laughs a 52 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: couple of beers to boot, so I can't complain about that. 53 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: But back to the topic, dou jure robopants. And this 54 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: is just pure opinion here, okay, And as with most things, 55 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be a little hypocritical here and there. Okay, Biology, 56 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 1: the world, the numbers of life, it's all based off 57 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: of the fact that we phase in and we phase out. Okay, 58 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: we're born, we grow, we die, and there's things that 59 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: we do along that life path that we just can't revisit. 60 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: You can't leap forward when you're a tiny little baby 61 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: into something that you're not capable of, and you can't 62 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: leap backwards when you're old and beat up. Okay, there's 63 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: things that we do when we're young, fit capable, we're flexible, 64 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: we're more resistant to the harshness of life, and we're 65 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: able to recover from that harshness a lot faster. And 66 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: then we stop doing those things because we're no longer 67 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: capable of being flexible, being able to recover from big, 68 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: nasty trips. Okay, for instance, I grew up on the 69 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: edge of federally designated wilderness area. I love hunting and 70 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: hiking those areas today, transformative experiences in my life that 71 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: have gotten me here today. Wherever that is come from 72 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: my time in wilderness areas. I know that due to 73 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: the fact that those areas are restricted to travel by 74 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: foot or hoof, there is going to be a time 75 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: in my life that I will not be able to 76 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: get to the spots that I go today, which hurts, 77 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 1: but my absence from those areas will allow someone else 78 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: to be on that mountain or in that meadow or 79 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: windblown peak, or stretch a river or creek or whatever, 80 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: for their own special moments when the solitude and remoteness 81 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: are both crushing and liberating, that kind of holy shit, 82 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: this is all mine, but it's only me out here 83 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: type of moment. While they are doing that, enjoying that 84 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: moment that a physical feat that I am no longer 85 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: capable of, has earned them. I'll do what beat up 86 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: old folks do. I'll stand on a flats boat until 87 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: I can't do that anymore. I'll probably dive in warm 88 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: water instead of cold water. I'll sit and fish instead 89 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: of stand and fish. I'll find a place to pass 90 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 1: shoot birds with my old dog instead of walking in places. 91 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: Whatever it is, I will adjust accordingly, and by doing so, 92 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: I am opening up areas so other people who are 93 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: more capable can have those experiences to themselves. So I 94 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: fear when we take technology, and this is technology, you know, 95 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: adaptive technology that I admit I do want for the 96 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: people who have been like unjustly robbed of their youth 97 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: or physical strengths. But I do not want it for everyone, 98 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: because the land and the game cannot handle it. It's 99 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: a carrying capacity issue. It's a pressure issue. If you 100 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: think overcrowding is an issue on public land right now, 101 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: sit and think of spots in places that you go 102 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: or maybe have gone, where you really are probably not 103 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: going to see anybody, but if you do see somebody, 104 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: they're probably in that same age class as you are. 105 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: They probably look physically similar to the way you look. 106 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: And then think of those spots if they were accessible 107 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: to the people outside of the part of the bell 108 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: curve you occupy, right, So all of a sudden they're 109 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: accessible to very young and very old folks, that spot's 110 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: going to have more pressure. Simly easily accessible places, right 111 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: that we can all think about. When you go there, 112 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: you adjust your attitude to be like, oh, there's gonna 113 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: be other people here, because it's that much more accessible 114 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: to a wider chunk of the outdoor recreational curve, right, 115 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: And I'm sure you like I when there are other 116 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: people present, particularly the very young and very old. You 117 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: avoid those easy access places, partially because you don't want 118 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: to deal with the people, but partially because that's kind 119 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: of what those spots are for. They're for the people 120 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: who don't have the experience to try something more difficult. 121 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: They are just starting out, or they're just tackling what 122 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: they're capable of because they're they're old, like I said, inexperienced, 123 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: beat up, or that's just what they're comfortable with, right, 124 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: And I leave those spots for those people, and I 125 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: kind of do so with the hope that they're they're 126 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: going to do this for me when I get old 127 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: and beat up, and I will. Right. So again, when 128 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: I look at this technology in the light of helping 129 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: those folks who have mobility impaired issue, veterans, victims of 130 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: unfortunate accidents, unforeseen circumstances, like I said, the people who 131 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: have been robbed of those opportunities somehow, some way, Man, 132 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm in, I get it. I want those people to 133 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: have that experience so they can then turn around and 134 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: tell other people how much they appreciate those landscapes and 135 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: we make sure that they exist forever. To tie that 136 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: back to something selfish for myself, but the way this 137 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: technology is being marketed, it's not going to be just 138 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: for those people. It's going to be for anybody who's 139 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: got five thousand bucks to spend, which, if you think 140 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: about it, is not that much right, if a horse 141 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: is the other option. We tackled this same issue and 142 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: we talked about like the way e bikes electronic motorcycles 143 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: are marketed, right, It's like, this is going to allow 144 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: people who can't go to go. Essentially, it's going to 145 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: open up more access to the back country. There is 146 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: a reasonable argument to be made that those folks miss 147 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: their window, they miss their shot. If they can't get 148 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: there in responsible fashion, they shouldn't get there now that 149 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: e bike might get them into a spot that they regret. 150 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: My whole life, prior to the advent of this technology, 151 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: my whole crew, the folks that I talk about, it's 152 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: always been a topic of conversation of like, boy, we 153 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: got to take advantage of this stuff now while we can, 154 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: and if we extend that window artificially of while we can. 155 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: I fear that there's going to be too much of 156 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: a strain on the resources that we love. Again, right, 157 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: an tell me where to stick it? Askcl ask how 158 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: out at the meeteater dot com. Moving on to the 159 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: old grizzerbear desk, the US Fish and Wildlife Service has 160 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: once again delayed making a decision on whether or not 161 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: to remove grizzly bears from the endangered Species list. Matt Hogan, 162 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: the regional director for the Mountain Prairie Region, said in 163 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: illegal filing that even though the Fishing Wildlife Service had 164 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: promised to reach its decision by the end of July, 165 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: it will not be able to meet that deadline now. 166 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: He estimates that a decision won't be made until about 167 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: six months from now on January thirty first, twenty twenty five. 168 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: State officials in Wyoming have slammed Hogan's announcement. Wyoming Special 169 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: Assistant Attorney General Jay Jerdy wrote that the Fishing Wildlife 170 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: Service's willingness to flout the law knows no bounds, and 171 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: that it was a move that reeks of arrogance and entitlement. 172 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: Wyoming Governor Mark Gordon also got in on the action, 173 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: calling on the Service to make its decision no later 174 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: than October thirty one, twenty twenty four. He claims the 175 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: delay will cost state taxpayers an extra one million dollars 176 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: to manage the species they have no authority over. States 177 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: like Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho are eager to regain control 178 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: of grizzly management. The populations in the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem 179 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: in the northern Continental Divide are strong, and the Fishing 180 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: Wildlife Service had delisted the species in some areas all 181 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: the way back in twenty seventeen, but environmental groups sued 182 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: and the issue has been tossed back and forth in 183 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: the federal courts ever since. In twenty twenty two, Wyoming 184 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: sent a petition to the Fish and Wildlife Service requesting 185 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: that grizzlies be removed from the endangered species list. Montana 186 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: and Idaho also submitted similar requests. About a year later, 187 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: the Service acknowledged that the Gye and the Continental Divide 188 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: populations likely don't qualify for federal protections, and they committed 189 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: to issuing a final rule on July thirty one of 190 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: this year. Those with calendars will notice that July thirty 191 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: one is coming gone and the Fishing Wildlife Service has 192 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: still not issued this much anticipated ruling. The Service clan 193 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: that more recent legal challenges have gummed up the works. 194 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: They want to be able to address all of these 195 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: challenges at once, and so they've decided to push back 196 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: their decisions another six months. The states that have to 197 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: manage these grizzly populations are obviously unhappy, and I understand why. 198 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: We've known for years that grizzly bears aren't threatened or endangered, 199 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: at least not Wyoming in Montana. Delaying once again what 200 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: seems like a clear choice feels like rubin salt in 201 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: the wound. At the same time, it makes sense that 202 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: the Fish and Wildlife Service would want to cross their 203 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: tees and dot their eyes before moving forward. There's going 204 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: to be a lot of litigation no matter what they do, 205 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure, and I'm sure the fact that their new 206 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: timeline pushes them past the presidential election isn't a bad 207 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: thing from their perspective either. For their part, Wyoming and 208 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: Montana are doing more than just complaining. They're also trying 209 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: to prove to federal regulators that they can be trusted 210 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: to responsibly manage this iconic species. Wildfile reports that two 211 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: bears were moved from Montana's Northern Continental Divide ecosystem down 212 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: to the Greater Yellowstone area. The operation imported a sub 213 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: adult female grizzly to the Tagwa Tee Pass area on 214 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: July thirtieth, and a sub adult male grizzly to a 215 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: remote corner of Southeastern Yellowstone National Park the following day. 216 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: There are more than one thousand bears in the gye 217 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: these days, so this operation wasn't about bolstering population numbers. Instead, 218 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: state biologists want to shore up the genetic diversity of 219 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: the somewhat more isolated Yellowstone bears. One of the reasons 220 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: the grizzlies were returned to the endangered species list was 221 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: due to genetic diversity concerns. The operation was designed to 222 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: address those concerns and prove that the states are capable 223 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: of working together to manage the grizzlies in their states. 224 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: Of course, activist groups won't be satisfied until grizzlies recolonize 225 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: all their former territory. An attorney with the Western Environmental 226 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: Law Center told Wildfile that translocating bears actually undermines the 227 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: state's claims of recovery. If they were actually recovered, he said, 228 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: the bears would be able to deal with genetic diversity 229 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: concerns on their own through natural migration. Moving on to 230 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: the flesh eating bacteria desk, a Texas man has died 231 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: from a bacterial infection after he went fishing in the 232 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: Gulf of Mexico earlier this summer. On an evening In 233 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: early June, sixty six year old Randy Bunch was crabbing 234 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: and fishing in Freeport, Texas, just south of Houston. His 235 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: daughter told local media he's fished in this area all 236 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: his life, and on that night, he was out retrieving 237 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: crab traps. His trouble started when he did something we've 238 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: all done. He stepped in the shallow water off of 239 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: a boat ramp without wearing waiting boots. The problem was 240 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: he had an old scrape on his foot that hadn't 241 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: quite healed. His daughter said that just a few hours later, 242 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: he called her complaining of extreme pain along the right 243 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: side of his body. Thinking he might be having a 244 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: heart attack, Bunch went to the er, but the doctors 245 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: couldn't figure out what was wrong with him, so they 246 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: sent him home. The next morning, his condition had significantly worsened. 247 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: His daughter said he'd had a fever of one hundred 248 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: and four degrees and he was lethargic and dis oriented. 249 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: He went back to the er and was transferred to 250 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: Texas Medical Center, but the doctor still couldn't figure out 251 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: what was going on. Eventually, they noticed the scrape on 252 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: his foot and started investigating whether he might have some 253 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: kind of infection. Those tests revealed that Bunch had been 254 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: infected with Vibrio bacteria. They're about a dozen kinds of 255 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: Vibrio bacteria, according to the Centers for Disease Control. They're 256 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: found in certain coastal waters and in higher concentrations when 257 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: water temperatures are warmer in May through October. Most people 258 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: contract Vibrio virus by eating raw or undercooked shellfish, particularly oysters, 259 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: or when an open wound comes in contact with coastal waters. 260 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: It can cause necrotiiting fasciitis, a severe infection in which 261 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: the flesh around an open wound dies. This is how 262 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: it's come to be known as flesh eating bacteria, though 263 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: other kinds of bacteria also cause this symptom. About eighty 264 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: thousand cases are reported each year in the US. Many 265 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: require amputation, and one in five are fatal. Bunch was 266 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: unfortunate part of those twenty percent of deadly cases. The 267 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: infection spread as blisters covered his entire body, and he 268 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: passed away less than a week after stepping into the water. 269 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: Coastal anglers shouldn't live in fear of contracting a Vibrio bacteria, 270 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: but you should avoid contacting the water with an open wound, 271 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: and more importantly, remember that this is a possibility if 272 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: you come down with an inexplicable illness. Bunch might still 273 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: be with his family if those er docs had thought 274 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: to test for vibrio and begin an aggressive round of antibiotics. 275 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: If you start feeling sick after being out on the water, 276 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: check yourself for cuts or scrapes. If you have any, 277 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: seek medical attention immediately, and be sure to let the 278 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: doctors know about your concerns. Moving on to the crime desk, 279 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: a poacher shot for Roosevelt elk and left them to 280 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: waste last week in California's Redwood National Park, and authorities 281 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: are asking for the public's help and finding the perpetrator. 282 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: According to the Redwood National and State Park Service, there, 283 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: rangers and wardens with the California Department of Fish and 284 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: Wildlife were notified of the poached elk on July TI 285 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: twenty first. Following an investigation, the NPS determined that the 286 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: four elk had been killed and no meat had been taken. 287 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: The NPS says the area where the elk were killed 288 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: is located within the Redwood National Park, where hunting is 289 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: prohibited by federal and state law to add insult to injury. 290 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: Authorities determined that the poacher used lead bullets to kill 291 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: the elk, which is illegal in California. What's more, this 292 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: is one of the only areas in California where Roosevelt 293 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: Elk continued to exist. Kind of makes you wonder if 294 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: this poacher was trying to make a point. Anyone with 295 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: information about this incident has urged contact park officials seven 296 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: oh seven four sixty five seven seven five to one, 297 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: or call the park's anonymous crime tip line at seven 298 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: seven seven sixty five seven three five three. Officials in 299 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: Wisconsin are also asking for the public's help in uncovering 300 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: what they believe is a large scale deer poaching operation. 301 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: The fond Delac County Sheriff's office posted a press release 302 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: about a poaching ring that covers about two hundred square 303 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: miles over Fondilac Dodge in Washington Counties. They believe it's 304 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: been operating for at least twelve months. The perpetrators allegedly 305 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: kill bucks at night, outside of the legal hunting season, 306 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: and then try to register them as if they've killed 307 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: them legally. Officials have already located dozens of deer carcasses 308 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: and have identified several suspects. If you live in any 309 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: of these counties, the Sheriff's office is asking you to 310 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: contact them if you've heard gunshots during overnight hours, observed 311 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: a suspicious vehicle shining, deer stopping in the roadway and 312 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: or shooting from a vehicle, or observed deer alive or 313 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: deceased with what appears to be a gunshot wound, especially 314 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: outside of deer hunting season. Really, these instructions apply to anyone. 315 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: As we'll see in a few minutes, telling game wardens 316 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: about deer carcasses can lead to serial poachers being brought 317 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: to justice. Wisconsin. Residents in this area can leave an 318 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: anonymous tip on the Fondilac County Law Enforcement tip line 319 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: by calling nine to two oh nine zero six four 320 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: to seven seven seven. At the other end of the 321 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: investigative spectrum, the New York Department of Environmental Conservation recently 322 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: closed a poaching case that saw five men plead guilty 323 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: to wildlife crimes. DC policy officer Jeffrey Johnson received a 324 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: call last year from a hiker who had found a 325 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: trail of blood at Mendon Ponds Park in Mendon, New York, 326 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: it is illegal to hunt deer in the park. Johnson 327 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: went to the scene where he found the trail of 328 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: blood along with the clump of deer hair. He followed 329 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: the trail to the parking lot, where it stopped in 330 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: front of a pair of tire tracks. That wouldn't have 331 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: been much to go on, but the next day he 332 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: received a tip that led him to a pile of 333 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: three deer carcasses. One was beheaded to had their antlers 334 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: cut off, and DNA matched the hair found in the park. 335 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: Johnston also found something else, a knife with the name 336 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: written on it, along with the business card. Here's a 337 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: hot tip for you. Don't leave your monogrammed gear at 338 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: the scene of any crime. That might sound obvious, but 339 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: we're not dealing with Rhodes scholars here. They need all 340 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: the hot tips they can get, Like here's a doozy, 341 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: don't do illegal stuff. That's called the abstinence. I believe 342 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: it's a getting to the root of the issue anyway. 343 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: Johnston didn't have much trouble getting and search warrant for 344 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: the suspect's phone, and evidence collected from that phone proved 345 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: that five men had used shotguns and crossbows to hunt 346 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: deer from their truck. They all pled guilty and paid 347 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: a combined seven one hundred dollars in fines. Just down 348 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: the interstate in Pennsylvania, three poachers are facing a combined 349 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty four charges for alcohol fueled night 350 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: hunts that targeted white tailed deer, seek a deer, turkeys, 351 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: and even a chipmunk. Edward Ilgenfritz twenty seven, Kay Bardell 352 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 1: twenty two, and Harlan Group twenty one all faced felony 353 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: and misdemeanor charges of taking big game out of season, 354 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: along with dozens of summary charges related to the unlawful shootings. 355 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: Much like a few of the other cases we've covered, 356 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: the trouble began when tipsters told game wardens about finding 357 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: dead deer with their heads cut off. Game wardens spoke 358 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: with neighbors in the area and they knew who was responsible. 359 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: They direct officers to a home where warden's interviewed a 360 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: juvenile about what had been going on. He told them 361 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: that Bardell and his crew would drive around at night, 362 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: shooting deer and drinking beer. Evidence collected by his search 363 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: warrants confirmed that Bardell was responsible for unlawfully killing six deer. 364 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: In addition, a video found on Bardell's phone showed him 365 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: shooting at a flock of turkey's from a vehicle, and 366 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: another photo showed Bardell holding a dead chipmunk and an 367 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: empty pistol round casing the other two poachers. Ilgenfritz and 368 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: group are also in serious trouble. Ilgenfritz allowed someone else 369 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: to use his hunting license to kill a nine point buck, 370 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: and he used illegal bait to attract and kill a 371 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: ten point buck on his property. Ilgenfrets also admitted that 372 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: he and group went to Maryland at night and illegally 373 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 1: killed multiple Sika deer and brought them back to Pennsylvania. 374 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: The Oregon Hunters Association is offering two thousand dollars cash 375 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: or four hunter preference points for information leading to the 376 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: arrest of whoever is killing deer with a pellet rifle. 377 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: In the town of Roseberg. Local media reports that five 378 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: deer carcasses have been found, at least one of which 379 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: was killed with a pellet Residents in one of those 380 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: towns neighborhoods use pellet guns to haze deer away from 381 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: lawns and gardens. Some of them believe a pellet gun 382 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: can't kill deer, but that's obviously not true. One of 383 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: the deer carcasses had a pellet lodged it and it's lung. 384 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: The pellet broke a rib and clipped its lung, which 385 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 1: caused it to hemorrhage, and both lungs then filled with blood, 386 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: causing that deer to suffocate to death. The other four 387 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: deer were too decomposed to assign a cause of death, 388 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: so it's possible they died from natural causes. The area 389 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: is known to have epizootic hemorrhagic disease or EHD, so 390 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: officials are investigating whether the local ponds contain the virus. 391 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: If they don't, they'll be more confident in assuming that 392 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: someone is killing deer with a pellet rifle in the 393 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: Meadows neighborhood of Rosebug, Oregon. If you got a hunch, 394 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: you may want to tip off your grandma or someone 395 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: who doesn't think they're doing any harm. Anyone with information 396 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: on this case is encouraged to email an anonymous tip 397 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: to tip at osp dot Oregon dot gov. Moving on 398 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: to the Island Deer Desk, the Catalina Island Conservancy has 399 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: abandoned its plan to eliminate the island's mule deer heard 400 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: using helicopters and sharpshooters. We first covered this story back 401 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: in episode two thirty three. Mule deer are not native 402 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: to Catalina Island off the coast California, and the island 403 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: Conservancy worried that the deer posed a threat to some 404 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 1: of the islands rare in need of species, so they 405 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: floated the controversial plan to shoot all two thousand deer 406 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: by hiring sharpshooters to kill them from helicopters and leave 407 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: them to rot. The island's residents joined forces with hunters 408 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: and the Humane Society to oppose the plan. Humane Society 409 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: folks argued that the coal would be cruel and unnecessary, 410 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: and hunters argued that they should be given the chance 411 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: to deal with the problem on their own. The current 412 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: hunting regime makes it tough for non residents to hunt, 413 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: and some proposed relaxing those restrictions and giving more people 414 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: a chance at some Catalina Island Venison Range coalition of 415 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: Bedfellows raised such an outcry that the island Conservancy back down. 416 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: The decision came on the heels of a unanimous vote 417 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: by the La County Board of Supervisors opposing the helicopter plan. 418 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: It also came after the California Department of Fishing Game 419 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: Commission decided to renew the island's five year game management 420 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: plan and add an additional five hundred deer tags. They 421 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: also approved provisions to incrementally increase the number upon written 422 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: request in October and December. The Commission's moved to increase 423 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: the deer hunting season on the island and essentially double 424 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: the number of deer tags is partly what led to 425 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: the Conservancy to pull the helicopter plan off the table. 426 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,479 Speaker 1: According to Western Outdoor News, of course, the island's muleier 427 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: population shouldn't be breathing a sigh of relief just yet. 428 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: They won't have to worry about helicopter snipers, but they'll 429 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: still be facing an increasing number of hunters. The Conservancy 430 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: also told local LA media that they're working on a 431 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: new plan to eliminate the deer herd. They won't be 432 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: using helicopters, but they still want the deer off the island. 433 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: All I got for you this week, Thank you so 434 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: much for listening, and remember to write in to A 435 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: s K C. A. L. That's Ascal at the meat 436 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: eater dot com. Let me know what's going on in 437 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: your neck of the woods. You know we appreciate it. 438 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: Thanks again. We'll talk to you next week.