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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You from how Supports

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen

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Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline, and to celebrate Women's History Month, which

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Speaker 1: is March, by the way, Yes, and also to explore

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Speaker 1: questions that we hear directly from stuff Mom Never Told

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Speaker 1: You listeners and also just from ourselves about how to

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Speaker 1: become female trailblazers, gender equality instigators, and fearless rabble rousers.

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Speaker 1: We're presenting this month long mini series we're calling change Makers,

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Speaker 1: and before we get to today's fabulous and inspiring change maker,

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Speaker 1: we want to give you a little bit of background

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Speaker 1: about how this series came to be. Yeah, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the makers and change makers, because all of this

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Speaker 1: was inspired by our trip to a women's empowerment conference

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Speaker 1: hosted by Makers, which is a platform from a O. L.

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Speaker 1: Glorious dynam Is. It's godmother of Sorts and Makers is

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Speaker 1: the largest video collection of women's stories. And at this

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Speaker 1: fantastic conference, Caroline and I had the opportunity to chat

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Speaker 1: with a few of those makers who are personally driven

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Speaker 1: to change your environments and ultimately change the world hashtag

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Speaker 1: in BG. But we realize how change making con seme intimidating.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how do you start? What if you aren't

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Speaker 1: a celebrity or a corporate superstar. What are the transformative

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Speaker 1: tools that we all have, regardless of where we are

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Speaker 1: in life, regardless of whether we're podcasters or not. Well,

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Speaker 1: thankfully we have resources like Makers that showcase all of

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Speaker 1: these female role models whose stories and insights demonstrate not

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Speaker 1: only what incredible societal impacts women can create even today,

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Speaker 1: but also how each of us can find our voices

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Speaker 1: the future. So with that, let's get to change making. So, Caroline,

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Speaker 1: the theme for this mini series episode is Motivation Matters. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're talking to the incredibly motivational Abby Wambach, and I

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Speaker 1: find her to be incredibly motivating because I don't know

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Speaker 1: she is motivating, but she's also one of the most

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Speaker 1: you who don't know, Abby Wambach is one of the

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Speaker 1: She's incredible, and she recently retired, and she has this

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Speaker 1: seem so out of reach for folks like us every

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Speaker 1: of become our own Abbey Wombox. You know what I mean? Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I mean Abby Wamba. Part of how she became

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Speaker 1: about how her life was so shaped by Title nine UM,

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Speaker 1: out kind of what's on her mind as she enters retirement.

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Speaker 1: because that's what I'm gonna do. That's who I am.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why people wouldn't want to positively influence

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Speaker 1: But she says, I'm sneaky about it. I think I

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Speaker 1: ability to step back. It's important again, as we've talked about,

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Speaker 1: you know while really the world is watching, and there

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Speaker 1: are so many girls, especially out there, who see Abby

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Speaker 1: have to you have to earn that every single day,

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Speaker 1: and it's how you treat the people amid being the best,

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Speaker 1: the best goal score winning championships. So I always like

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Speaker 1: those qualities within all of the confines of having a successful,

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Speaker 1: happy life, then then you've got You've kind of figured

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Speaker 1: it all out, you know what I mean. And it's

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Speaker 1: not always easy, you know. Sometimes people who hounk their

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Speaker 1: I get angry quickly. Um. But the truth is is

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Speaker 1: that every single day is another opportunity to prove what

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Speaker 1: prove that I'm a good person every single day. I'm

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Speaker 1: not successful at it. You know. Some days I I

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Speaker 1: am too lazy, some days I'm too crazy. I don't

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Speaker 1: even know what, but um, every every single day is

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Speaker 1: are and who you want to be. Well, thanks you

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Speaker 1: advanced for changing the world. Yeah. Well, Caroline, I gotta

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Speaker 1: say that it's comforting to know that Abby Wanpac has

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Speaker 1: way of getting angry clearly about issues like maybe not

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Speaker 1: maybe we could all feel better about our opportunities that

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Speaker 1: weaknesses or failings, and instead of feeling bad about them

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Speaker 1: it's it seems like she's only spreading that farther because

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Speaker 1: I feel like Caroline, she's motivated for all of us,

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Speaker 1: all of our like girls and women, and that's I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's what a leader is. Someone who's so driven, but

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Speaker 1: I really feel like we are now introducing Abbi Wanbach

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much to Abby Wombach for talking to us

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