WEBVTT - Talkin’ Cowboys: A Broad Scope 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:14.760 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:16.600 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.599 Cowboys. 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:25.959 This he's Talking Cowboys Screaming live. 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:36.120 From the Dallas Cowboys World Course at the Star in Frisco, 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:41.680 SAT And now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Nick Harris, John 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:47.920 Mashoda and Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.000 It's a Talking Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:56.200 Black Rifle Coffee Company, live from the Star in Frisco, Texas. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.080 And the s WBC studios. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.920 Welcome in everybody, as we take a look back on 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:04.720 what was the twenty twenty four season, and we are 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.479 taking your phone calls and your text messages. Today we're 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.480 gonna talk to the fans. I feel like it's been 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.800 a minute. It's been a little bit since we've gotten 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.600 to hear from the fans, hear their take, and we've 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:20.080 got some good news and notes to hit on this 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:21.319 first segment as well. 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:22.600 But give us a call if you want to be 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:23.280 a part of the show. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.440 Eight eight eight eight by five two two ninety seven, 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.160 or give us a text eight one seven two nine 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:29.560 zero three two ninety eight. 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:31.680 The scope is pretty broad. 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.520 You can talk about a little bit of anything at 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.800 this point where we're gonna start with Mike Zimmer officially 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:41.319 officially being named the defensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys. 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:45.039 Yeah, they agreed to terms yesterday, initially chosen on Thursday. 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:46.720 It looked like that was some back and forth. I 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.400 don't really want to buy into it, to be honest. 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.880 I mean, of Jones's in the front office were in 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:56.560 Vegas and were their contract negotiations. Yes, but I don't 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.600 think there was anything that concerned anybody in this building 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.400 as far as the deal not getting done. So it 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:05.360 gets done yesterday afternoon around three pm or so, and 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:07.080 now we're looking forward as Mike Zimmer is a new 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.000 DC comes back to Dallas after seven seasons from two 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.239 thousand to two thousand and six. We talked about many, 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.239 many possibilities last week, and I think Zimmer over over 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.800 and beyond was probably the consensus pick. I know some 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.160 of us may have had different number ones, some of us, 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:23.880 some of them, some of us may have had different 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.480 number ones, but I think if you had told all 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:27.560 four of us, I don't. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:28.160 Think he was that close. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.080 I don't believe a word the schefter said in this 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.239 entire process. He was so off every time. If you 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.240 get a name, whoever, his source was, name Isaiah. Isaiah 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.600 was schefter. That's exactly what it was. 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.720 I don't have any answer if he had to be 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.120 down to the last two coaches, who was it. 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.400 If it came down to the last two Mike Zimmer 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.160 and Aiden Dirty? Yeah, I think it was Aiden Dirty. Yes, 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.960 I can say that confidently. Aiden Dirty made a big 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.280 impression during his interviews, and I mean he was on 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.000 the edge for the Seahawks DC position. And you see 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.120 how quick that developed as soon as Mike Zimmer was 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.480 announced on Thursday night. I mean we're talking Friday morning, 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.600 eleven am. Seahawks DC is when he was getting announced. 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.400 That's still not finalized, so you know, kind of wait 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.519 on that for this week. But Aiden Dirty oppressed a 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.520 lot of people in the verse, and it seems like 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.520 he has a lot to bring from a scheme standpoint 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.359 as well. So, but as far as Mike Zimmer, I 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.760 think it's an interesting guy to bring into the building. 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.040 We talked about kind of needing, for lack of a 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:27.080 better term, needing a hard ass a little bit on 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:28.880 the defensive side of the ball, and I think you 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:30.760 had that with Mike Zimmer. Granted he's been out of 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.760 coaching for the last three years, but I think this 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.080 is an interesting possibility as far as being able to 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.040 bring a guy who has veteran experience. He has succeeded 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.360 and coached in so many different eras. I mean, we're 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.480 talking nineties, twenty twenty tens with different type of talent. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.560 I mean, this is a guy who has coached Deon 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.880 Sanders and has had Justin Jefferson on his team. I mean, 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.800 look at the spam there and being able to be 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.000 with those guys, and now he comes into this defense 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.320 with all these all pros in the secondary. You know 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.720 you're gonna be able to work with these guys, and 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:00.400 then what do you do up front? I think that's 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.440 gonna be the biggest question, which I kind of have 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.720 a couple of interesting things that I think they could do, 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.520 but we'll we'll talk about throughout the show. But it's 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.640 an interesting hire. I like the hire. He works well 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.400 with Mike McCarthy. You can't find one big negative in 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:13.840 my book. 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:16.520 What are your thoughts? 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.680 I think he is a obviously approven coach in his league. 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.960 My concerns remain the same in regards to his ability 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.000 to relate to this generation of player and his ability 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:29.600 to relate to the type of players that are on 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.400 this roster currently. There's obviously going to be additions, but 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:34.839 your core members are still your core members, and I'm 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:35.520 not sure. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:38.320 I'm not confident. I'll put it that way. 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.599 I am not confident currently based upon what I know 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.320 about him and what I've seen from him. 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:44.520 As a coach over all these years. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.680 We have all this documentation to be able to go 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.279 back and look at players that I know who have 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:53.080 played underneath him, who know him very well. I'm not 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.359 sure that that coaching style is going to work, but 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:59.080 we'll find out soon enough. I don't have any concerns 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.960 about his capabilities as the defensive coordinator. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:03.279 I don't have any concerns about that. 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:07.279 My concerns are solely on his ability to relate and 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:13.840 communicate at a level that's going to produce productivity on 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.640 the field and for these guys to want to come 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.800 to work. One of the things that I you know, 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:21.600 I don't want to throw shade. I just go off 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.640 of history. I'm a facts guy. Look at how coach 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.360 McCarthy handled the COVID situation. Look at how he handled 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.960 the COVID situation with his teams, and I think that 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.240 was something that was kind of glaring for me as well, 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.120 in terms of him and being able to communicate on 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:40.320 that level with his players, not throwing players under the bus, 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:41.479 things of that nature. 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.720 Those are concerns of mine that I have in regards 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:44.000 to him. 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.840 Well, whether it works or not, and obviously you need 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.359 it to work, it's a one year trial deal with 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.240 this basically, this coaching staff. But regardless of that, whether 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.280 it works or not, could you argue that this defense 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:55.760 kind of needs that coaching style. 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:59.599 Absolutely, they need a more they need more discipline in 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.280 that regards, They need somebody to kick him in there. 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.479 But whether or not they can. 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.440 Receive it, right, I like that coaching style that works 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.559 for me, right, But I played in a totally different 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.080 era to your point. Right, you know the guys that 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.320 you mentioned in the past that worked with them, right, 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.440 the more recent guys he ended up not being there, 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.400 right because you know, Jessin Jefferson and things and guys 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:21.159 of that nature didn't work out too well for him. So, yes, 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.160 he can. He's done well historically with those type of players, 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.000 but now this new age. That's where the challenge is. 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.240 You've talked about it before, though there were coaches that 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.360 were on this coaching staff in the past, whether it 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.279 was offense or defense, that spoke the truth that were 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.599 at that level of But we're personal coaching staff. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.400 That doesn't mean Zimmer can't be personally. 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:42.240 I didn't say he can't. 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.719 I'm just saying his his his work that we have 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.159 to go off of up to date. And I guess again, 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.159 the players that I personally know that I've talked to 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.400 who who have played for him, Yeah, that's an area 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:54.440 of concern. 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.880 Every time, every player of them. 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:57.240 I think. 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.640 No, I was just asking again because I wonder what 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:00.400 the pool is there. 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.919 Yeah, I also look at it from an express staple. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:05.719 Right, didn't would he express some of that? And one 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:07.040 of his interviews recently. 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:08.760 I think a lot of people have expressed a lot 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:10.840 of things of the last week. I feel like everybody 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.680 has talked and by that I mean everybody that ever 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:15.320 wore a star on the side of their helmet has 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:20.560 said something this week. Emmitt, Troy Michael, I mean so 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.360 cry I just want that to be clear. 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.400 I don't have concerns about his ability to perform and 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.040 put out a good product on the field. I have 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.560 zero concerns about that. Sure, it's this, can he get 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.960 the most out of his players? And that in order 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.400 to get the most out of your players, you have 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.080 to be able to connect with those guys, and you 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.080 have to be able to know what buttons to push, 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:39.640 You have to know how far you can go. You 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:40.960 got to be able to be able to have a 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:42.920 relationship with them. Right as much as you are a 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.200 coach and a director, you still got to be able 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:46.640 to have a relationship with these guys. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:47.600 It's just a new age. 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.400 Man that doesn't that kind of play into performing though. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.560 If you have to do that and connect with your 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.160 guys off the field and get the most out of them, 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.360 that that goes into being able to perform. If you 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.440 have no concerns about him being able to perform. How 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.760 does that kind of every side with it. 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.440 I'm just I would like to say that, But you're 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.000 seeing this, You're seeing it change, Like, how many coaches 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.480 in this league have been successful with that style? 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:15.760 How many of us are left? Honestly, I feel like that's. 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:16.600 Not because I can't think of any right now. I 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:17.520 can't think of any coaches. 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.960 No, no, No, Tom Tomlin is the only one that 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.120 I could point out and say he has consistently been 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.880 successful regardless of the type of generation with that. 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:25.640 Style of coaching. 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.920 Yeah, but not everybody is Sean McVay and Mike McDaniel. 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:30.840 I mean, I get it, they've I'm just saying what 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:32.840 the hard asses across the league that we don't even 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:33.120 know of. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.120 Absolutely, I'm just saying seemingly what the league is kind 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:37.120 of gravitating towards. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:38.960 And I don't think it's happening by chance. 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.160 You think it's because of a generational absolutely in thought process. 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:44.360 Absolutely, I get it. 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:45.880 But x's and o's wise too. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.440 You're looking at Zimmer and you're saying, beast, he might 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.400 be one of the best fits. I mean, you talk 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.880 about sim pressures, which for those that don't know sim pressure, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:56.319 and I looked up the definition just so that way 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.080 I get it right. Pressure that brings a non traditional 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.800 rusher like a lineback or defensive back in exchange for 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.680 dropping a traditional rusher. There were times when dan Quinn 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:06.360 blitz zone blitz. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:07.040 Yes, there are. 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:08.640 Times when dan Quinn ran that a lot. 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.320 Mike Zimmer was one of the original guys that brought 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.520 the SIM rush and brought it the sim pressure to 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.839 the forefront. Now he has a defense that he could 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.760 certainly run that with. He's gonna need beef in the middle. 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:21.640 He's gonna need bigger guy. 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.560 He's gonna need beef in the linebacker corps. 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:24.600 But we knew that already. 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.079 That was the case, even if it was Zimmer, if 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.400 it was Ryan, if it was dirty It, it doesn't matter. 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:30.920 Correct, you needed that regardless. 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:33.120 But now, whenever you look at what he brings to 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.320 the table, are you excited about the x's and o's 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.120 factor of what he could bring. 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.480 If they can get the personnel to match it. I'm 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.360 excited if they can get the personnel right now with 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.000 the person that is currently on this roster, there's gonna 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:43.640 be a ton of turnover. 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.400 I had somebody asked me on Twitter yesterday, Hey, with 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.000 mikeh with Mike Zimmer being finalized, what do you think 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.400 Tovandre sweat out of Texas big defensive tackle? 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:53.000 You think he's a big time target now? 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.720 And I was like, Mike Zimmer, Hans Zimmer, it doesn't 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.120 matter whoever that coordinator. You knew as much talent down 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.599 that spine of that defense as possible. You need defensive tackle, linebacker, 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.360 and arguably safety as well. You need big guys down 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.080 the middle of that defense. It doesn't matter if defensive coordinator. 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:11.160 Guys who have been valued in this building to date 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.480 won't be valued as much some of them. 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:16.280 You don't want to say names. 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.480 I don't want to say names, yeah, because I don't 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:19.760 like putting restrictions on guys. 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:20.920 But I'm saying based. 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:24.280 Upon what this, this style of defense, right, this scheme 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.840 is going to ask of players. Some players physically will 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.240 not be able to execute what he's asking them to 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:31.360 do because of their size. 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.280 Well kind of think of it as well, though, Think 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.320 of the past three spots that Mike zimmer has been in. 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.439 It was expected that there was going to be longevity 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:38.960 at each of those three spots, and that's what he 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:42.080 got at each of those three spots. How different could 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.800 his philosophy be coming into Dallas on a one year deal, 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.160 not really knowing what beyond twenty twenty four looks like, 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:50.559 and trying to succeed this year? 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:51.160 Is it more so? 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.600 Hey, these are the pieces you got, These are our 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.439 draft possibilities, these are our free agent possibilities. You know, 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.040 you can kind of work with us at this but 0:10:58.120 --> 0:10:59.400 this is what you got, and you got to be 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:00.400 able to work with the guys. 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:01.240 I don't think there. 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.320 I don't think that the Joneses are going to ask 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:04.880 him to come in and be somebody different than what 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.960 he's been. That's I'm not saying that he can't be, 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:09.520 but I don't think this is the year. 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.440 If he made that decision on his own, very much so, 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.319 but I don't been sitting on the curb for a 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.040 little bit of a week on the current opportunity. 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.560 But also, if we're going to bring up all the 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.720 success that he's had, you can't go and say all 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.640 of a sudden change that now because of the person that. 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:23.720 That just completely discounting. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:25.640 You can't like you have to say, Okay, this is 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.040 what you've done, this is where you've been successful. Successful, 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:29.760 Let's do our best to try to make sure that 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:31.160 we have that personnel on the staff so that you 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:31.840 can continue that. 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.760 Is it realistic to have expectations for Zimmer at the 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.880 level that the expectations were set for Dan Quinn? Is 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.480 is that realistic from a fan base standpoint? Or can 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.080 you expect maybe a little bit of a drop. 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.360 I can't even think back to the expectations for dan Quinn. 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.560 I think I would understand, like, if let's say, if 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.600 dan Quinn stayed, dan Quinn is going into twenty twenty four, 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.160 would the expectations be higher for this defense or lower. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.280 Based off of or equal based off of who the 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:00.280 defensive coordinate is. 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:01.199 I'll have to say higher. 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.080 You think dan Quinn would be higher because I would 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.600 say that you're you're asking him to build upon what 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.880 he's already shown you that he's capable of doing completely, 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.160 looking for him to put in a couple more pieces 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.080 that they're gonna shure up some of the holes that 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:13.439 you have. 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.079 Zimmer. Now you're you're being. 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:23.439 You have to account for grace, right, You have to 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.400 account for grace now. Yeah, and you wouldn't have had 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:29.199 that grace had you retained dan Quinn because there's a 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:32.480 level of expectation from what you've already seen. Now you 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.400 have to grant grace. You have to allow yourself to 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.920 rescind a little bit you have. You have to because 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:40.880 you're asking this dude to come in and work with 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.640 what you have now Again, Will McLay, the Jones they're 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.760 gonna do what they can to get these get pieces 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.640 moved around to get his personnelity here. But again, there's 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.040 gonna be a culture change, There's gonna be a personnel change, 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:52.880 there's gonna be a scheme change. Like there's a lot 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.960 that has to change, and people need to understand how 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.880 much goes into a decordinator or offensive coordinator or especially 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:03.640 games coordinator changing, Like they are literally changing the way 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.439 that you do things. They're changing the terminology, they're changing 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.920 the expectations, everything that you've learned. If you've been on 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:10.800 this roster for a number of years, you have to 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.679 literally push the delete button to. 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:14.560 Those same points. 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.640 This past season under dan Quinn's defense fifth and total 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.880 defense fifth, in points allowed fifth and passing yards allowed sixteenth, 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:25.080 and rushing yards allowed. So I guess if you're dan 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:26.880 Quinn going into twenty twenty four, you need to be 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:30.079 top five in all those categories, most certainly rushed defense. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.080 But for Mike Zimmer coming in, I think there's an 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:36.040 expectation that the passing defense stays the same, the scoring 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.520 defense stays relatively the same. You got to figure out 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.480 what to do from a rushing defense standpoint and This 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.240 is kind of something that I've been thinking about as 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.319 far as what he can do with his staff. Most 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.480 likely going to have to replace a defensive line coach, 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.600 and then he has another assistant that he could fill 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.120 with the absence of Joe Witt going to the Washington 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.520 Commanders as a defensive coordinator. Now, Joe Witt was a 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:59.079 pass game coordinator, secondary coach. What do you guys think 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.360 about potential bringing in a pass rush specialist instead of 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.680 another secondary coach. Bringing a guy like what Brandon Jordan 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.079 was for the Seattle Seahawks this past season and kind 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.360 of being able to elevate Boye Mafe and what they 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:12.959 were able to do from a pass rushing standpoint, it 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.679 really helped the Sea I think the Washington exactly, and 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:17.560 I think there's something you can really learn from that 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:19.760 for the Cowboys being able to bring in a different 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.120 defensive staffer up front instead of back in the secondary, 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.000 because I think you trust mostly what's happening in the secondary. 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:27.640 I think it's really that front seven you want to 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.600 focus on. I think that could benefit them a lot 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:30.000 more well. 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:31.680 And it would also that would help you in the 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.880 run game to a certain extent, not because it's a 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.840 pass rush, but just because it gives you more flexibility 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.960 there from those guys. And it's not always about unlocking 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.360 what Micah Parsons can do, because Michael Parsons is still 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:46.120 going to bring it regardless, but it will unlock what 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:50.200 guys like Sam Williams who's underachieved, could do. If you 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.920 bring back Dorian's armstrong, it could continue him moving forward. Yes, 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.280 I like the idea as a whole, and I think 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.240 it just brings extra emphasis to what was already a 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.560 strength for this and what you want to build on. 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.560 Whenever you are Mike Zimmer coming in with a new 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:05.800 staff and a new personnel. 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.600 I'm not against any specialists coaches. I'm not against that 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.400 at all. I'm very intrigued and interested to find out 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.640 how much different this pass rush is going to be 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:19.200 than what it's been because assignments are different, way that 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:20.080 freedom is different. 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:21.480 Yeah, you know, lane. 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.240 Discipline is going to be more of an emphasis. You know, 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.240 if I have to be more lane disciplined, that means 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.280 I can't freestyle. I can't freestyle Friday up front, you know, 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.200 I can't. I'm probably not gonna run as many stunts 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:31.880 as I once was. You know, I'm not going to 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.720 have I probably won't have the personnel groupings. 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.160 Where it's all pass rushers out there. 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.280 You know, there's so much that changes, and it's like 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:39.920 that's why I say the value of some of the 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.360 players that are currently on this roster isn't going to 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.480 be as high for some guys, because some guys have 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:48.960 specific roles, you know, for for some sometimes like take 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.160 like a Dante Foler, Like dude, I know he's probably, 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.080 you know, probably not coming back, but like, bro, you're 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.760 here to to rush the quarterback maybe ten times again, 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:57.840 Like that was. 0:15:57.760 --> 0:15:59.320 Your that was your whole role, that was your purpose. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.680 It was your whole purpose. Do you need that now? 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.360 I don't know. Ye wait to see what Zimmer says. 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:08.120 Yeah, well, I mean that's part of the point is 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.840 whenever you do make a change at coordinator, the expectation 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:13.520 should not be as high. 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.200 It should not be the level of Dan Quinn. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.200 If he reaches that level and Mike Zimmer comes in 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.200 and their top five in these categories and they're better 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.880 at stopping the run, that's a cherry on top. 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:27.280 And he's done a phenomenal job. But a realistic expectation 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:27.840 for Mike. 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:31.440 Zimmer is to come in and provide a formidable defense 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.720 that can stop the run and is more disciplined. Those 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.360 are the two things that dan Quinn's defense lacked was 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.080 run stopping ability. 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:39.360 And discipline to a certain extent. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.120 And if Zimmer can bring that and keep the numbers 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.920 around the top ten, mark, I think he's doing a 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:46.640 fantastic job and he's helping you win football. 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.040 Just all right, yeah, yeah, we'll see it won't be 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:50.480