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Speaker 2: The scope is pretty broad.
Speaker 4: You can talk about a little bit of anything at
Speaker 4: this point where we're gonna start with Mike Zimmer officially
Speaker 4: officially being named the defensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they agreed to terms yesterday, initially chosen on Thursday.
Speaker 5: It looked like that was some back and forth. I
Speaker 5: don't really want to buy into it, to be honest.
Speaker 5: I mean, of Jones's in the front office were in
Speaker 5: Vegas and were their contract negotiations. Yes, but I don't
Speaker 5: think there was anything that concerned anybody in this building
Speaker 5: as far as the deal not getting done. So it
Speaker 5: gets done yesterday afternoon around three pm or so, and
Speaker 5: now we're looking forward as Mike Zimmer is a new
Speaker 5: DC comes back to Dallas after seven seasons from two
Speaker 5: thousand to two thousand and six. We talked about many,
Speaker 5: many possibilities last week, and I think Zimmer over over
Speaker 5: and beyond was probably the consensus pick. I know some
Speaker 5: of us may have had different number ones, some of us,
Speaker 5: some of them, some of us may have had different
Speaker 5: number ones, but I think if you had told all
Speaker 5: four of us, I don't.
Speaker 6: Think he was that close.
Speaker 4: I don't believe a word the schefter said in this
Speaker 4: entire process. He was so off every time. If you
Speaker 4: get a name, whoever, his source was, name Isaiah. Isaiah
Speaker 4: was schefter. That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 6: I don't have any answer if he had to be
Speaker 6: down to the last two coaches, who was it.
Speaker 5: If it came down to the last two Mike Zimmer
Speaker 5: and Aiden Dirty? Yeah, I think it was Aiden Dirty. Yes,
Speaker 5: I can say that confidently. Aiden Dirty made a big
Speaker 5: impression during his interviews, and I mean he was on
Speaker 5: the edge for the Seahawks DC position. And you see
Speaker 5: how quick that developed as soon as Mike Zimmer was
Speaker 5: announced on Thursday night. I mean we're talking Friday morning,
Speaker 5: eleven am. Seahawks DC is when he was getting announced.
Speaker 5: That's still not finalized, so you know, kind of wait
Speaker 5: on that for this week. But Aiden Dirty oppressed a
Speaker 5: lot of people in the verse, and it seems like
Speaker 5: he has a lot to bring from a scheme standpoint
Speaker 5: as well. So, but as far as Mike Zimmer, I
Speaker 5: think it's an interesting guy to bring into the building.
Speaker 5: We talked about kind of needing, for lack of a
Speaker 5: better term, needing a hard ass a little bit on
Speaker 5: the defensive side of the ball, and I think you
Speaker 5: had that with Mike Zimmer. Granted he's been out of
Speaker 5: coaching for the last three years, but I think this
Speaker 5: is an interesting possibility as far as being able to
Speaker 5: bring a guy who has veteran experience. He has succeeded
Speaker 5: and coached in so many different eras. I mean, we're
Speaker 5: talking nineties, twenty twenty tens with different type of talent.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is a guy who has coached Deon
Speaker 5: Sanders and has had Justin Jefferson on his team. I mean,
Speaker 5: look at the spam there and being able to be
Speaker 5: with those guys, and now he comes into this defense
Speaker 5: with all these all pros in the secondary. You know
Speaker 5: you're gonna be able to work with these guys, and
Speaker 5: then what do you do up front? I think that's
Speaker 5: gonna be the biggest question, which I kind of have
Speaker 5: a couple of interesting things that I think they could do,
Speaker 5: but we'll we'll talk about throughout the show. But it's
Speaker 5: an interesting hire. I like the hire. He works well
Speaker 5: with Mike McCarthy. You can't find one big negative in
Speaker 5: my book.
Speaker 6: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 7: I think he is a obviously approven coach in his league.
Speaker 7: My concerns remain the same in regards to his ability
Speaker 7: to relate to this generation of player and his ability
Speaker 7: to relate to the type of players that are on
Speaker 7: this roster currently. There's obviously going to be additions, but
Speaker 7: your core members are still your core members, and I'm
Speaker 7: not sure.
Speaker 6: I'm not confident. I'll put it that way.
Speaker 7: I am not confident currently based upon what I know
Speaker 7: about him and what I've seen from him.
Speaker 6: As a coach over all these years.
Speaker 7: We have all this documentation to be able to go
Speaker 7: back and look at players that I know who have
Speaker 7: played underneath him, who know him very well. I'm not
Speaker 7: sure that that coaching style is going to work, but
Speaker 7: we'll find out soon enough. I don't have any concerns
Speaker 7: about his capabilities as the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 6: I don't have any concerns about that.
Speaker 7: My concerns are solely on his ability to relate and
Speaker 7: communicate at a level that's going to produce productivity on
Speaker 7: the field and for these guys to want to come
Speaker 7: to work. One of the things that I you know,
Speaker 7: I don't want to throw shade. I just go off
Speaker 7: of history. I'm a facts guy. Look at how coach
Speaker 7: McCarthy handled the COVID situation. Look at how he handled
Speaker 7: the COVID situation with his teams, and I think that
Speaker 7: was something that was kind of glaring for me as well,
Speaker 7: in terms of him and being able to communicate on
Speaker 7: that level with his players, not throwing players under the bus,
Speaker 7: things of that nature.
Speaker 6: Those are concerns of mine that I have in regards
Speaker 6: to him.
Speaker 5: Well, whether it works or not, and obviously you need
Speaker 5: it to work, it's a one year trial deal with
Speaker 5: this basically, this coaching staff. But regardless of that, whether
Speaker 5: it works or not, could you argue that this defense
Speaker 5: kind of needs that coaching style.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, they need a more they need more discipline in
Speaker 7: that regards, They need somebody to kick him in there.
Speaker 6: But whether or not they can.
Speaker 7: Receive it, right, I like that coaching style that works
Speaker 7: for me, right, But I played in a totally different
Speaker 7: era to your point. Right, you know the guys that
Speaker 7: you mentioned in the past that worked with them, right,
Speaker 7: the more recent guys he ended up not being there,
Speaker 7: right because you know, Jessin Jefferson and things and guys
Speaker 7: of that nature didn't work out too well for him. So, yes,
Speaker 7: he can. He's done well historically with those type of players,
Speaker 7: but now this new age. That's where the challenge is.
Speaker 4: You've talked about it before, though there were coaches that
Speaker 4: were on this coaching staff in the past, whether it
Speaker 4: was offense or defense, that spoke the truth that were
Speaker 4: at that level of But we're personal coaching staff.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean Zimmer can't be personally.
Speaker 6: I didn't say he can't.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying his his his work that we have
Speaker 7: to go off of up to date. And I guess again,
Speaker 7: the players that I personally know that I've talked to
Speaker 7: who who have played for him, Yeah, that's an area
Speaker 7: of concern.
Speaker 8: Every time, every player of them.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 8: No, I was just asking again because I wonder what
Speaker 8: the pool is there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also look at it from an express staple.
Speaker 6: Right, didn't would he express some of that? And one
Speaker 6: of his interviews recently.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people have expressed a lot
Speaker 4: of things of the last week. I feel like everybody
Speaker 4: has talked and by that I mean everybody that ever
Speaker 4: wore a star on the side of their helmet has
Speaker 4: said something this week. Emmitt, Troy Michael, I mean so
Speaker 4: cry I just want that to be clear.
Speaker 7: I don't have concerns about his ability to perform and
Speaker 7: put out a good product on the field. I have
Speaker 7: zero concerns about that. Sure, it's this, can he get
Speaker 7: the most out of his players? And that in order
Speaker 7: to get the most out of your players, you have
Speaker 7: to be able to connect with those guys, and you
Speaker 7: have to be able to know what buttons to push,
Speaker 7: You have to know how far you can go. You
Speaker 7: got to be able to be able to have a
Speaker 7: relationship with them. Right as much as you are a
Speaker 7: coach and a director, you still got to be able
Speaker 7: to have a relationship with these guys.
Speaker 6: It's just a new age.
Speaker 8: Man that doesn't that kind of play into performing though.
Speaker 5: If you have to do that and connect with your
Speaker 5: guys off the field and get the most out of them,
Speaker 5: that that goes into being able to perform. If you
Speaker 5: have no concerns about him being able to perform. How
Speaker 5: does that kind of every side with it.
Speaker 7: I'm just I would like to say that, But you're
Speaker 7: seeing this, You're seeing it change, Like, how many coaches
Speaker 7: in this league have been successful with that style?
Speaker 6: How many of us are left? Honestly, I feel like that's.
Speaker 5: Not because I can't think of any right now. I
Speaker 5: can't think of any coaches.
Speaker 7: No, no, No, Tom Tomlin is the only one that
Speaker 7: I could point out and say he has consistently been
Speaker 7: successful regardless of the type of generation with that.
Speaker 6: Style of coaching.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but not everybody is Sean McVay and Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 4: I mean, I get it, they've I'm just saying what
Speaker 4: the hard asses across the league that we don't even
Speaker 4: know of.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I'm just saying seemingly what the league is kind
Speaker 7: of gravitating towards.
Speaker 6: And I don't think it's happening by chance.
Speaker 4: You think it's because of a generational absolutely in thought process.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I get it.
Speaker 2: But x's and o's wise too.
Speaker 4: You're looking at Zimmer and you're saying, beast, he might
Speaker 4: be one of the best fits. I mean, you talk
Speaker 4: about sim pressures, which for those that don't know sim pressure,
Speaker 4: and I looked up the definition just so that way
Speaker 4: I get it right. Pressure that brings a non traditional
Speaker 4: rusher like a lineback or defensive back in exchange for
Speaker 4: dropping a traditional rusher. There were times when dan Quinn
Speaker 4: blitz zone blitz.
Speaker 6: Yes, there are.
Speaker 2: Times when dan Quinn ran that a lot.
Speaker 4: Mike Zimmer was one of the original guys that brought
Speaker 4: the SIM rush and brought it the sim pressure to
Speaker 4: the forefront. Now he has a defense that he could
Speaker 4: certainly run that with. He's gonna need beef in the middle.
Speaker 6: He's gonna need bigger guy.
Speaker 2: He's gonna need beef in the linebacker corps.
Speaker 6: But we knew that already.
Speaker 4: That was the case, even if it was Zimmer, if
Speaker 4: it was Ryan, if it was dirty It, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Correct, you needed that regardless.
Speaker 4: But now, whenever you look at what he brings to
Speaker 4: the table, are you excited about the x's and o's
Speaker 4: factor of what he could bring.
Speaker 7: If they can get the personnel to match it. I'm
Speaker 7: excited if they can get the personnel right now with
Speaker 7: the person that is currently on this roster, there's gonna
Speaker 7: be a ton of turnover.
Speaker 5: I had somebody asked me on Twitter yesterday, Hey, with
Speaker 5: mikeh with Mike Zimmer being finalized, what do you think
Speaker 5: Tovandre sweat out of Texas big defensive tackle?
Speaker 8: You think he's a big time target now?
Speaker 5: And I was like, Mike Zimmer, Hans Zimmer, it doesn't
Speaker 5: matter whoever that coordinator. You knew as much talent down
Speaker 5: that spine of that defense as possible. You need defensive tackle, linebacker,
Speaker 5: and arguably safety as well. You need big guys down
Speaker 5: the middle of that defense. It doesn't matter if defensive coordinator.
Speaker 7: Guys who have been valued in this building to date
Speaker 7: won't be valued as much some of them.
Speaker 2: You don't want to say names.
Speaker 7: I don't want to say names, yeah, because I don't
Speaker 7: like putting restrictions on guys.
Speaker 6: But I'm saying based.
Speaker 7: Upon what this, this style of defense, right, this scheme
Speaker 7: is going to ask of players. Some players physically will
Speaker 7: not be able to execute what he's asking them to
Speaker 7: do because of their size.
Speaker 5: Well kind of think of it as well, though, Think
Speaker 5: of the past three spots that Mike zimmer has been in.
Speaker 5: It was expected that there was going to be longevity
Speaker 5: at each of those three spots, and that's what he
Speaker 5: got at each of those three spots. How different could
Speaker 5: his philosophy be coming into Dallas on a one year deal,
Speaker 5: not really knowing what beyond twenty twenty four looks like,
Speaker 5: and trying to succeed this year?
Speaker 8: Is it more so?
Speaker 5: Hey, these are the pieces you got, These are our
Speaker 5: draft possibilities, these are our free agent possibilities. You know,
Speaker 5: you can kind of work with us at this but
Speaker 5: this is what you got, and you got to be
Speaker 5: able to work with the guys.
Speaker 6: I don't think there.
Speaker 7: I don't think that the Joneses are going to ask
Speaker 7: him to come in and be somebody different than what
Speaker 7: he's been. That's I'm not saying that he can't be,
Speaker 7: but I don't think this is the year.
Speaker 4: If he made that decision on his own, very much so,
Speaker 4: but I don't been sitting on the curb for a
Speaker 4: little bit of a week on the current opportunity.
Speaker 7: But also, if we're going to bring up all the
Speaker 7: success that he's had, you can't go and say all
Speaker 7: of a sudden change that now because of the person that.
Speaker 2: That just completely discounting.
Speaker 7: You can't like you have to say, Okay, this is
Speaker 7: what you've done, this is where you've been successful. Successful,
Speaker 7: Let's do our best to try to make sure that
Speaker 7: we have that personnel on the staff so that you
Speaker 7: can continue that.
Speaker 4: Is it realistic to have expectations for Zimmer at the
Speaker 4: level that the expectations were set for Dan Quinn? Is
Speaker 4: is that realistic from a fan base standpoint? Or can
Speaker 4: you expect maybe a little bit of a drop.
Speaker 8: I can't even think back to the expectations for dan Quinn.
Speaker 4: I think I would understand, like, if let's say, if
Speaker 4: dan Quinn stayed, dan Quinn is going into twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: would the expectations be higher for this defense or lower.
Speaker 2: Based off of or equal based off of who the
Speaker 2: defensive coordinate is.
Speaker 6: I'll have to say higher.
Speaker 7: You think dan Quinn would be higher because I would
Speaker 7: say that you're you're asking him to build upon what
Speaker 7: he's already shown you that he's capable of doing completely,
Speaker 7: looking for him to put in a couple more pieces
Speaker 7: that they're gonna shure up some of the holes that
Speaker 7: you have.
Speaker 6: Zimmer. Now you're you're being.
Speaker 7: You have to account for grace, right, You have to
Speaker 7: account for grace now. Yeah, and you wouldn't have had
Speaker 7: that grace had you retained dan Quinn because there's a
Speaker 7: level of expectation from what you've already seen. Now you
Speaker 7: have to grant grace. You have to allow yourself to
Speaker 7: rescind a little bit you have. You have to because
Speaker 7: you're asking this dude to come in and work with
Speaker 7: what you have now Again, Will McLay, the Jones they're
Speaker 7: gonna do what they can to get these get pieces
Speaker 7: moved around to get his personnelity here. But again, there's
Speaker 7: gonna be a culture change, There's gonna be a personnel change,
Speaker 7: there's gonna be a scheme change. Like there's a lot
Speaker 7: that has to change, and people need to understand how
Speaker 7: much goes into a decordinator or offensive coordinator or especially
Speaker 7: games coordinator changing, Like they are literally changing the way
Speaker 7: that you do things. They're changing the terminology, they're changing
Speaker 7: the expectations, everything that you've learned. If you've been on
Speaker 7: this roster for a number of years, you have to
Speaker 7: literally push the delete button to.
Speaker 8: Those same points.
Speaker 5: This past season under dan Quinn's defense fifth and total
Speaker 5: defense fifth, in points allowed fifth and passing yards allowed sixteenth,
Speaker 5: and rushing yards allowed. So I guess if you're dan
Speaker 5: Quinn going into twenty twenty four, you need to be
Speaker 5: top five in all those categories, most certainly rushed defense.
Speaker 5: But for Mike Zimmer coming in, I think there's an
Speaker 5: expectation that the passing defense stays the same, the scoring
Speaker 5: defense stays relatively the same. You got to figure out
Speaker 5: what to do from a rushing defense standpoint and This
Speaker 5: is kind of something that I've been thinking about as
Speaker 5: far as what he can do with his staff. Most
Speaker 5: likely going to have to replace a defensive line coach,
Speaker 5: and then he has another assistant that he could fill
Speaker 5: with the absence of Joe Witt going to the Washington
Speaker 5: Commanders as a defensive coordinator. Now, Joe Witt was a
Speaker 5: pass game coordinator, secondary coach. What do you guys think
Speaker 5: about potential bringing in a pass rush specialist instead of
Speaker 5: another secondary coach. Bringing a guy like what Brandon Jordan
Speaker 5: was for the Seattle Seahawks this past season and kind
Speaker 5: of being able to elevate Boye Mafe and what they
Speaker 5: were able to do from a pass rushing standpoint, it
Speaker 5: really helped the Sea I think the Washington exactly, and
Speaker 5: I think there's something you can really learn from that
Speaker 5: for the Cowboys being able to bring in a different
Speaker 5: defensive staffer up front instead of back in the secondary,
Speaker 5: because I think you trust mostly what's happening in the secondary.
Speaker 5: I think it's really that front seven you want to
Speaker 5: focus on. I think that could benefit them a lot
Speaker 5: more well.
Speaker 4: And it would also that would help you in the
Speaker 4: run game to a certain extent, not because it's a
Speaker 4: pass rush, but just because it gives you more flexibility
Speaker 4: there from those guys. And it's not always about unlocking
Speaker 4: what Micah Parsons can do, because Michael Parsons is still
Speaker 4: going to bring it regardless, but it will unlock what
Speaker 4: guys like Sam Williams who's underachieved, could do. If you
Speaker 4: bring back Dorian's armstrong, it could continue him moving forward. Yes,
Speaker 4: I like the idea as a whole, and I think
Speaker 4: it just brings extra emphasis to what was already a
Speaker 4: strength for this and what you want to build on.
Speaker 4: Whenever you are Mike Zimmer coming in with a new
Speaker 4: staff and a new personnel.
Speaker 7: I'm not against any specialists coaches. I'm not against that
Speaker 7: at all. I'm very intrigued and interested to find out
Speaker 7: how much different this pass rush is going to be
Speaker 7: than what it's been because assignments are different, way that
Speaker 7: freedom is different.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, lane.
Speaker 7: Discipline is going to be more of an emphasis. You know,
Speaker 7: if I have to be more lane disciplined, that means
Speaker 7: I can't freestyle. I can't freestyle Friday up front, you know,
Speaker 7: I can't. I'm probably not gonna run as many stunts
Speaker 7: as I once was. You know, I'm not going to
Speaker 7: have I probably won't have the personnel groupings.
Speaker 6: Where it's all pass rushers out there.
Speaker 7: You know, there's so much that changes, and it's like
Speaker 7: that's why I say the value of some of the
Speaker 7: players that are currently on this roster isn't going to
Speaker 7: be as high for some guys, because some guys have
Speaker 7: specific roles, you know, for for some sometimes like take
Speaker 7: like a Dante Foler, Like dude, I know he's probably,
Speaker 7: you know, probably not coming back, but like, bro, you're
Speaker 7: here to to rush the quarterback maybe ten times again,
Speaker 7: Like that was.
Speaker 6: Your that was your whole role, that was your purpose.
Speaker 6: It was your whole purpose. Do you need that now?
Speaker 6: I don't know. Ye wait to see what Zimmer says.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean that's part of the point is
Speaker 4: whenever you do make a change at coordinator, the expectation
Speaker 4: should not be as high.
Speaker 2: It should not be the level of Dan Quinn.
Speaker 4: If he reaches that level and Mike Zimmer comes in
Speaker 4: and their top five in these categories and they're better
Speaker 4: at stopping the run, that's a cherry on top.
Speaker 2: And he's done a phenomenal job. But a realistic expectation
Speaker 2: for Mike.
Speaker 4: Zimmer is to come in and provide a formidable defense
Speaker 4: that can stop the run and is more disciplined. Those
Speaker 4: are the two things that dan Quinn's defense lacked was
Speaker 4: run stopping ability.
Speaker 2: And discipline to a certain extent.
Speaker 4: And if Zimmer can bring that and keep the numbers
Speaker 4: around the top ten, mark, I think he's doing a
Speaker 4: fantastic job and he's helping you win football.
Speaker 6: Just all right, yeah, yeah, we'll see it won't be
Speaker 6: a problem.
Speaker 7: But if you had to add those two characteristics and
Speaker 7: take away one, what would you take away.
Speaker 4: So ads run stuffing, yep, and what discipline? And you're
Speaker 4: taking away like past rush interceptions, takeaways?
Speaker 7: Let me think, because I mean it's I think it's
Speaker 7: unrealistic to think that he's going to come in and
Speaker 7: just level those two areas up and something's not going
Speaker 7: to fall off.
Speaker 4: This team was better against the big play the last
Speaker 4: couple of years, and I think I would rather keep
Speaker 4: that than like the interceptions. I would rather limit the
Speaker 4: big play. Even though takeaways are fun. Takeaways are That's.
Speaker 8: Why these dvs are Deron Blaine and I.
Speaker 2: Think they're gonna get takeaways anyway.
Speaker 5: It's they're Ballhawks. That's going to happen regardless.
Speaker 2: That's that's a tough one.
Speaker 7: Which one would you like creating a man player. You
Speaker 7: can't make it all ninety nine, right, like something has
Speaker 7: to go down.
Speaker 8: Defense, Yes I can.
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, I don't think you have to choose between
Speaker 5: one of those. I was thinking more so like gosh,
Speaker 5: like man coverage ability, you know, because like you assume
Speaker 5: that Mike Zimmer's not going to run as much main
Speaker 5: coverage as Dan Quinn was running this past He loves
Speaker 5: to run press man, I know, but I'm talking first
Speaker 5: in the league on a consistent basis. I think if
Speaker 5: it wasn't for that Gilmore injury late in the year,
Speaker 5: they would have or in the final game, they would
Speaker 5: have finished the year number one in man coverage. But
Speaker 5: so maybe you take that away and hopefully you can
Speaker 5: insert some zone ability in that same instance.
Speaker 8: But it's interesting.
Speaker 5: It's interesting, But I think it's a defensive back room
Speaker 5: that is experienced. They've got a lot of talent in
Speaker 5: different areas. I think whatever they're they're being thrown at,
Speaker 5: it'll work for them. That's not the concern I have
Speaker 5: with Mike Zimmer in this defense. It's not the secondary
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 7: What's the timeline in term what's the expectation for a
Speaker 7: timeline for him to fill the staff.
Speaker 5: I would say we're looking at February thirteenth combined, in
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks. I would say the week after combine,
Speaker 5: it should be done.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I was thinking, because the combine serves
Speaker 4: as a job board, a job fair for a lot
Speaker 4: of coaches, because a lot of guys, I mean, you
Speaker 4: know how it is, they all go out there. The
Speaker 4: entire league is in Indy, and so when you're out there,
Speaker 4: Super Bowl is one of them where you have the
Speaker 4: networking ability and you have the parties or whatever. But
Speaker 4: the Combine is kind of like that last chance to
Speaker 4: get your position. So I bet you week after the Combine,
Speaker 4: maybe ten days after the combine, every staff in the
Speaker 4: NFL is going to be filled.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be pretty much done by it.
Speaker 7: And just set the proper expectations for the fans out
Speaker 7: there listening. He doesn't have to retain everybody on the staff,
Speaker 7: nor on that side of the ball, Like everybody's job
Speaker 7: is up for grabs at this point. It's up to
Speaker 7: him for him to theoretically, theoretically he has to decide
Speaker 7: to bring them back. It's not a guarantee. It's not like, oh,
Speaker 7: I was currently on here before with dan Quinn, I
Speaker 7: get to stay.
Speaker 6: Ye.
Speaker 7: Zimmer has to come in and say I like you
Speaker 7: or I don't like you, or you if you'll fit
Speaker 7: with me, you won't fit with me, or we're along
Speaker 7: the same wavelengths or not. Yeah, So that's that's something
Speaker 7: that people aren't thinking about.
Speaker 5: Also, and also to keep to that point, Washington is
Speaker 5: being very particular about their defensive staff hires. Probably in
Speaker 5: the loom the whatever happens with Zimmer and what he wants.
Speaker 8: To do with this defensive staff, that's that's for a reason.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, you look at Dirty, he's already gone. He's
Speaker 4: the defensive coordinator with Seattle. Joey Junior joins Dan Quinn
Speaker 4: out in Washington. The only coach that I'm looking at
Speaker 4: on this defensive staff that I think would stick around
Speaker 4: based off of Zimmer and what he does well is
Speaker 4: Al Harris. I think your defensive back coach is probably
Speaker 4: going to be here next year, which is a win
Speaker 4: for the Cowboys. Al's been great, a great part of
Speaker 4: the staff for the better part of four years now,
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Speaker 2: Isaiah didn't give me a cup, oh.
Speaker 6: I was looking for a nice little.
Speaker 5: Bowl blaming others. That's the type of culture. Mike Zimmer
Speaker 5: doesn't want to get.
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Speaker 7: I know we gotta get the callers, but can we
Speaker 7: talk about the d law comment?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And Gilmore quickly walk that back as well, Yeah, you.
Speaker 6: Want to talk about it real quick, bro, Like, what
Speaker 6: the heck was that?
Speaker 4: So just to give context, like I said in the
Speaker 4: first segment, it feels like everybody current, former, past, doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Cowboy had their opinions out.
Speaker 4: There on Super Bowl Radio Row and in Las Vegas,
Speaker 4: and there was a comment from DeMarcus Lawrence that said,
Speaker 4: and what show was it on?
Speaker 8: It was on first take.
Speaker 2: It was on first take.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a big show. I was about to say,
Speaker 4: Pat McAfee, that was Tony Pollard. That was a different
Speaker 4: conversation too. Uh. DeMarcus Lawrence said that they were burnt out,
Speaker 4: that the defense, that the team, that the Cowboys were
Speaker 4: tired going into that wild card long season.
Speaker 2: It was a long season, seventeen games.
Speaker 4: You rested your starters in the back half of the
Speaker 4: seventeenth game.
Speaker 5: I would have understood that in the NFC Championship. If
Speaker 5: you're got the NFC Championship and get your boat whipped.
Speaker 4: Well, you can even see in the Super Bowl both
Speaker 4: of those teams were gassed by the end of the
Speaker 4: Super Bowl. The Chiefs and the forty nine ers, they
Speaker 4: were hell they played five quarters, Yeah.
Speaker 6: They were on edge. How many more games did they play?
Speaker 8: Three? Three or one of them?
Speaker 2: Two?
Speaker 7: But honestly, honestly, honest, first perion, how did that make
Speaker 7: that statement from DeMarcus Morris make you feel?
Speaker 6: I not love it.
Speaker 5: Initially, I was like, Okay, everyone else is the same
Speaker 5: exact level of it. It's not like the Packers that
Speaker 5: only played fourteen games coming into that correct. And Stefan
Speaker 5: Gilmour was asked about that in a radio interview. I
Speaker 5: don't remember which one it was. I don't want to
Speaker 5: miss miss credit here, but it was one of the
Speaker 5: radio interviews that he did. It's like somebody had asked him,
Speaker 5: what do you think about you know, were you guys
Speaker 5: tired or burn day? He's I know, no, No, I
Speaker 5: don't want to hear that. No, Yeah, that's not what
Speaker 5: it was.
Speaker 4: I think if DeMarcus so and he's so good with
Speaker 4: the media all the time, and he really is a
Speaker 4: leader on that defense, I think if he was given
Speaker 4: an opportunity, he wouldn't have set it the same way.
Speaker 2: And I also don't know if he completely.
Speaker 4: Mint it the way that it came out, either where
Speaker 4: he's saying they were burnt out and they were tired
Speaker 4: and all that. I understand everybody's tired, but I don't
Speaker 4: think he was using it as the excuse or wanted
Speaker 4: to use it as the excuse that he ended up
Speaker 4: doing it.
Speaker 2: As how it wasn't a great state.
Speaker 6: How could have been interpreted that that.
Speaker 4: It was the end of the season and they didn't
Speaker 4: play well and they weren't ready.
Speaker 2: I think that's basically what he was trying to say.
Speaker 5: What I took it as is that they had a
Speaker 5: rough December stretch and they were burnt out and tired
Speaker 5: after that.
Speaker 8: That's what I took it as.
Speaker 5: It's like, which is that at Buffalo, Miami, Detroit, Washington,
Speaker 5: you know, and then they run into the playoffs, And
Speaker 5: that's what I kind of took it as, like, we, look,
Speaker 5: we just came off this stretch tired and burnt out.
Speaker 8: Look I'm not the one make an excuse. I'm just
Speaker 8: saying I'm just giving a.
Speaker 5: Trying it from both sides to have a better part.
Speaker 5: You're right, regardless, it doesn't matter. I like playing the
Speaker 5: Five Bears sixteen weeks in a row. It can't be tired.
Speaker 7: I didn't like some things come even if that was
Speaker 7: a thought process, some things don't come out.
Speaker 6: Of your mouth.
Speaker 2: Yeah sure.
Speaker 7: And who was it that a couple of years back
Speaker 7: that said you don't give one hundred percent on every play?
Speaker 2: That was, oh gosh, safety here, yep he was.
Speaker 6: I don't remember that, sad, Oh yeah, we don't.
Speaker 2: It was bad.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we don't give one.
Speaker 2: It was Anthony Brown.
Speaker 6: There you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no it was It wasn't Anthony. It
Speaker 2: wouldn't they be.
Speaker 4: Who was uh Woods Antoine or not Antoine Xavier Woods?
Speaker 4: The I tend to give DeMarcus Lawrence a pass on
Speaker 4: this one because he's never been that I would like
Speaker 4: to He's never been that guy to make.
Speaker 7: Excuses totally entire career. I totally agree with you, Kyle,
Speaker 7: but I just like some things just don't.
Speaker 2: I can't before you say somethings is like, you.
Speaker 6: Know what, I'm gonna pull that one back. I agree.
Speaker 2: I can't defend what he said, but I can defend
Speaker 2: the player.
Speaker 6: I agree.
Speaker 2: I get I can defend.
Speaker 4: Who he is and what he does recours into this
Speaker 4: team and if you don't believe me and you don't
Speaker 4: understand the film on freaking look at the All twenty.
Speaker 2: Two, because he's there. I will defend the player all day,
Speaker 2: every day. I can't defend what he said because I didn't.
Speaker 6: Like it either.
Speaker 10: Yep.
Speaker 4: But that's ultimately the thought process behind what DeMarcus Lawrence said.
Speaker 4: And we could go into what Tony said, what Ceed said,
Speaker 4: what Micah said him it said, we could talk about
Speaker 4: a lot and yeah, what Jordan Loves said. Yeah, we
Speaker 4: ain't talk about all that. But instead I want to
Speaker 4: hear first Dano in Florida. Dano, you're on talking cowboys.
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 14: Hey, guys, what's going on?
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?
Speaker 14: Well, a couple of things, you know, uh, what you
Speaker 14: were just talking about with DeMarcus. You know, Jimmy Johnson said,
Speaker 14: you know, fatigue makes cowards out of all of us.
Speaker 14: I agree. I think I think DeMarcus Lawrence would have
Speaker 14: loved to have taken those words back. However, you know,
Speaker 14: I also listened to the Triplets and Darren Johnson and
Speaker 14: Marcus Spears, and they all see they all seem to
Speaker 14: say the same thing. The problem is in the organization.
Speaker 14: It's not a DAK issue, it's an organization issue. That
Speaker 14: being said, I just want to mention a little bit
Speaker 14: about what I think needs to happen. The old line
Speaker 14: needs to get a little bit more physical up front.
Speaker 14: I think this kid Hoffman at Center might be a steal.
Speaker 14: I think basket Center might be a steal. Either way,
Speaker 14: I think that's an upgrade of what we have. I
Speaker 14: think you bring Tyrone back if he's willing to come
Speaker 14: back under the same practice schedule he had this year. Defensively,
Speaker 14: I still haven't heard why Mazzi Smith lost all that way.
Speaker 14: Haven't heard a thing about that. I think you got
Speaker 14: to bring Hankins back. And I think you got to
Speaker 14: get an attitude. And Zimmer brings an attitude. I think
Speaker 14: he brings a real, in your face, punch him in
Speaker 14: the face attitude where you know he doesn't want to
Speaker 14: be your best friend. And I think perhaps dan Quinn
Speaker 14: got to the point where he wanted to be everybody's
Speaker 14: friends and there's that fine line you gotta walk, and
Speaker 14: you know, I don't know if that comfort level got,
Speaker 14: you know, too strong between everybody, but I think dan Quinn, I,
Speaker 14: for one, was not one sorry to see him leave.
Speaker 14: I think, I think, yeah, I think we're going to
Speaker 14: see some edge Rutgers going. But I think i'd like
Speaker 14: to see Sam Williams step up. I'd like to bring
Speaker 14: back Thorn's armstrong and I think a guy that goes
Speaker 14: unheralded somewhat is Goldstein. All right, And then I want
Speaker 14: to go back to the old line real quick. You know,
Speaker 14: we've switched old line coaches twice in three years here
Speaker 14: now I believe, okay, and I don't know if this
Speaker 14: guy is the answer. I still say that when the
Speaker 14: old line, when that coach was Mark Colombo, they mauled people,
Speaker 14: didn't matter who was upfront. They mauled people. They had
Speaker 14: an attitude, and it seems like that's not there anymore.
Speaker 14: I'd like to see an on line coach who's going
Speaker 14: to bring that element of attack, physicality, nastiness, and I
Speaker 14: just don't see that they have it and all in
Speaker 14: as far as I'm concerned from the front office, I'd
Speaker 14: like to see him get a Davonte David or Bobby
Speaker 14: Wagner things like that. So I'll hang up. You guys
Speaker 14: have a good day.
Speaker 15: Hey, quick question for you, Dan, Oh, you didn't get
Speaker 15: him quick enough. Dang, okay, it's all would I was
Speaker 15: going to ask that, Yeah, it's all good, no worries
Speaker 15: he was, he was on a mission. I was going
Speaker 15: to ask him if he had kind of felt like
Speaker 15: dan Quinn had reached his ceiling.
Speaker 5: That's why he was okay with him leaving. And I
Speaker 5: think there were some some conversation points there. But look
Speaker 5: up front, if we're talking about the offensive line, I
Speaker 5: think there's there's a resounding approval with everybody in this
Speaker 5: building that things need to be changed up front.
Speaker 8: What does that look like?
Speaker 5: Who knows, but it's I'd be shocked if the same
Speaker 5: five that started the playoff game will be the same
Speaker 5: five that started in Week one.
Speaker 8: What do you do?
Speaker 5: You have a couple of different options. Tyler Biodisch's free agent,
Speaker 5: Tyron Smith is a free agent. Do you feel like
Speaker 5: you struck lightning in a bottle by having Tyron Smith
Speaker 5: for thirteen games this past season. If you do feel
Speaker 5: like that, then you probably don't bring it back. If
Speaker 5: you don't feel like that, then hey, maybe you try
Speaker 5: another one or two more years with Tyler Biottish. How
Speaker 5: comfortable do you feel in his run blocking abilities. Do
Speaker 5: you feel like that's a big reason why you weren't
Speaker 5: able to have success in the interior running the ball
Speaker 5: up the middle. If you feel that way, go get
Speaker 5: a different center. Fortunately, this is the draft to do it,
Speaker 5: to be able to get either of those spots in
Speaker 5: the first round. But I think regardless, you're gonna see
Speaker 5: some youth upfront. You're gonna see some changes up front.
Speaker 5: We talk about there's been some discourse about Mike Celari.
Speaker 5: I'm okay with Mike Clarion where he's at. I don't
Speaker 5: think that's the concern here. I think it's more so
Speaker 5: of a personnel thing. I think they just got to
Speaker 5: find some different ways and some different people to bring
Speaker 5: in your thoughts.
Speaker 7: There was a lot to unpack. Yeah, I agree with
Speaker 7: you on the offensive front. Nobody's going to dispute that here.
Speaker 7: Defensive line, I don't disagree with you there. You're going
Speaker 7: to see a lot of turnover there, I believe. In
Speaker 7: regards to the person now, dan Quinn being excited he's leaving,
Speaker 7: and that's I wasn't on that train. Missed that one,
Speaker 7: totally missed that train.
Speaker 4: Didn't have a to And Dano's not alone in that fact,
Speaker 4: there are a lot of people that when I was
Speaker 4: talking about expectations of dan Quinn and Mike Zimmer and
Speaker 4: what they compare, like, a lot of people were happy
Speaker 4: that dan Quinn is now gone.
Speaker 2: I'm not there. I don't agree, and I'm very vocal
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did a phenomenal job with this defense for
Speaker 4: three years.
Speaker 2: I don't care how it ended in that one game.
Speaker 4: Yes, you build off of that and you use that
Speaker 4: going forward to build your team better for the future.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean he was a bad coordinator.
Speaker 6: People are, Yeah, people have very short term memories.
Speaker 7: That's the case because dan Quinn and what he brought
Speaker 7: to the field was one of the most feared defenses
Speaker 7: out there, you know. So anyways, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 7: In terms of Zimmer looking forward to seeing what changes,
Speaker 7: I'm looking forward to seeing to what changes. I know
Speaker 7: that he's a He's more than capable of putting out
Speaker 7: a good product. It's just gonna be a sit and
Speaker 7: wait and see the type of deal to see personnel,
Speaker 7: how it relates to the correct personnel and what they
Speaker 7: bring on the roster.
Speaker 5: A question that I hope Mike Zimmers asked in his
Speaker 5: press conference, which should be this week, either tomorrow or Thursday.
Speaker 5: And if no one asks it, you know, what are
Speaker 5: the changes you hope to bring and specifically up front
Speaker 5: in front seven, like, what does that look like for you?
Speaker 5: What does that look like under your defense? What does
Speaker 5: that look like for this team? I think that's gonna
Speaker 5: be the biggest thing that fans are wondering.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, Cynthia in Laredo is on the phone line.
Speaker 6: What up, Cynthia?
Speaker 2: How's it going, ORGV?
Speaker 16: Happy New year?
Speaker 4: Guys, how's it going?
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?
Speaker 16: I'll tell you what. First of all, you got ahead
Speaker 16: of me. You touched on what I wanted to talk about,
Speaker 16: and that was the Marcus's remarks about being tired. But
Speaker 16: my next concern is, can you guys just talk a
Speaker 16: little bit about I'm worried about the running back situation
Speaker 16: and what do you think could happen there? Okay, you'll
Speaker 16: have a great time, and I'm still watching you, guys.
Speaker 2: Okay, appreciation, Cynthia. I'll tell Nate you said hello, Okay, yes, so.
Speaker 16: Give him give him a big hug for you.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 16: It sounds maybe and maybe this coming year, well I'll
Speaker 16: get to see him again, there you go and the show.
Speaker 2: There you go, perfect love it. Appreciate your cynthony.
Speaker 6: There there she goes.
Speaker 8: Let me give Nate a little smooch on the she from.
Speaker 2: How quickly do you think he would go through the
Speaker 2: nearest wall?
Speaker 8: It would be a past that he just fallen too.
Speaker 2: Like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? What are you doing all right?
Speaker 2: Running back physician.
Speaker 4: Tony Pollard's comments over the weekend on the Pat mcapee
Speaker 4: Show didn't make me feel much better about how he
Speaker 4: is attacking this offseason as a part of the Dallas
Speaker 4: Cowboys teams. Yeah, he didn't even realize dan Quinn was gone.
Speaker 4: Now offensive player, defensive staff member. It's not like they
Speaker 4: were super close. But I mean, come you believe it.
Speaker 2: No, I don't believe think it's a negotiation tactic.
Speaker 8: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 5: I just don't believe that for one second, just like
Speaker 5: two three days by that point.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's no way.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 8: So there's no way.
Speaker 7: There is at least one text message that came through anyways.
Speaker 7: Social I'm talking about social media running back position.
Speaker 6: I think there's a couple of candidates out there that
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 7: That they will make a big splash with I'm not
Speaker 7: sure one of them we even talk about.
Speaker 6: I don't know the rules around that, but I know it.
Speaker 7: King Henry's free, and I know there's a dude up
Speaker 7: in the New York region that I wouldn't be mad
Speaker 7: at either, But I think that they're going to I
Speaker 7: believe he's free as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well one year deal, one year deal, I think
Speaker 5: so regardless, there's another one in Indianapolis coming out as well,
Speaker 5: Zach Moss. There's there's an interesting free agents, No, there's
Speaker 5: there's interesting free agent opportunities.
Speaker 8: I think.
Speaker 5: I know I've said this many times on a couple
Speaker 5: of shows. You look at what Detroit did with their
Speaker 5: backfield this last time season, what they needed to do
Speaker 5: and how they attack that. They let Jamal Williams walk
Speaker 5: and he was leading the NFL in touchdowns and there
Speaker 5: was a lot of criticism around that decision. So what
Speaker 5: they do They bring in David Montgomery, who is a
Speaker 5: little bit younger, has that same kind of downhill ability,
Speaker 5: then okay, let's go get our playmaker Jamiir Gibbs in
Speaker 5: the first round. Not saying that Dallas is gonna go
Speaker 5: draft running back in the first round. This is certainly
Speaker 5: not the draft to do that. But they can go
Speaker 5: draft one. They can go pick up free agent combo
Speaker 5: that running back room together, then you have something working there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a lot of different angles they can take
Speaker 7: this offseason, but I don't foresee the running back room
Speaker 7: having any issues.
Speaker 6: It's just we just don't know what it's going to
Speaker 6: look like.
Speaker 5: I think RB three is on this team, though I
Speaker 5: think so too. I think so as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let's take our second break. When we
Speaker 4: come back, we're going to talk to Allen and Clearwater, Florida.
Speaker 4: We're gonna take his phone call, and then we'll wrap
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Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 6: Alan?
Speaker 17: Hey, good morning guys.
Speaker 2: What's on your bid?
Speaker 17: So? The two points that you're bringing up today the
Speaker 17: coaching hire and the DeMarcus Lawrence comment. On the DeMarcus
Speaker 17: Lawrence comment, I just want to say this. You know,
Speaker 17: there's a difference between making an excuse and explaining what happened.
Speaker 17: I don't know what's in his heart and mind when
Speaker 17: he said it. None of us do. We're guessing, but
Speaker 17: everybody's looking for an explanation for the Cowboys collapse in
Speaker 17: Packers game. If DeMarcus Lawrence is saying that, well, speaking
Speaker 17: for myself, I was gassed, I was exhausted. He may
Speaker 17: not be making an excuse. He may be saying there
Speaker 17: is a reason for me personally right, I was tanked
Speaker 17: and so my play wasn't enough to pall. I agree
Speaker 17: with Isaiah, even if that's true, you should not have
Speaker 17: said it. I think that's poor for a number of reasons.
Speaker 17: But I just want to point out that he may
Speaker 17: not be excusing his play. He may be simply explaining it.
Speaker 17: Here's the explanation, we were gassed. So on the coaching hire, also,
Speaker 17: I think you guys really have it pegged. The issue
Speaker 17: is going to be whether zimmer style works for the players.
Speaker 17: I think that is the key issue. I concur with
Speaker 17: that opinion. But if we look at again what happened,
Speaker 17: what explains the collapse? The three things that we've been
Speaker 17: talking about is personnel, talent, the game plan, and the
Speaker 17: execution of the players. And if you look on the
Speaker 17: defensive side of the ball, if we answer the first
Speaker 17: question that we had the talent, that there is enough
Speaker 17: talent on this team to win, we're left with two
Speaker 17: other possibilities. It was the game plan that Quinn called,
Speaker 17: or it was the execution of the players. In either case,
Speaker 17: to my mind, that's a coaching issue. If your players
Speaker 17: aren't executing, you guys are doing something wrong in the
Speaker 17: coaching part of this team as well. So we bring
Speaker 17: in Zimmer, we're probably going to have different game plan,
Speaker 17: And as everybody's been pointing out, it's the discipline on execution.
Speaker 17: If you have enough talent and you have a good
Speaker 17: game plan, then it's execution. And we know this defense
Speaker 17: was not disciplined, not disciplined for penalties with you know
Speaker 17: their assignments. Okay, so we're going to find out if
Speaker 17: the key is as you were pointing out. Also, I
Speaker 17: just want to say I agree, will it work for
Speaker 17: this group of players? And that is really why it's
Speaker 17: disappointing that Quinn didn't stay one more year though, one
Speaker 17: more year with McCarty. Because him leaving with this group
Speaker 17: of players, you know, the Cowboys may look back and
Speaker 17: regret did they should have been McCarthy that it was
Speaker 17: gone and given Quinn the team because all these players
Speaker 17: that were working for him. Isn't going to get much
Speaker 17: worse with this new coach. And if you look at
Speaker 17: the staff that Quinn's putting together at Washington, I like
Speaker 17: the staff that he's putting together. I would have liked
Speaker 17: to see that here. Time will tell the Cowboys may
Speaker 17: regret that they let go the wrong coach.
Speaker 2: Alan, thank you for the call.
Speaker 4: Appreciate your opinions and some of the questions that you're
Speaker 4: raising there too.
Speaker 2: I'll start with the with.
Speaker 4: The game plan and how he saw the way the
Speaker 4: Wildcard game went down. We talked about it afterwards immediately
Speaker 4: on the show following.
Speaker 2: Everyone deserved a little bit of that loss.
Speaker 4: Game plan check, coaching, check, players, check personnel check. Maybe
Speaker 4: this roster wasn't as good as we thought it was.
Speaker 4: Maybe it wasn't as good as we made it out
Speaker 4: to be. Either way, it didn't happen and there was
Speaker 4: a lapse in a number of ways. I think there's
Speaker 4: a little bit of all the elements that he just
Speaker 4: listed that deserve a little bit of the blame for
Speaker 4: what happened in the wildcard round, and that doesn't change
Speaker 4: now that we're a month out from what happened.
Speaker 7: No note at all, And Jordan Love helped you a
Speaker 7: little bit of understanding as to what their game that was,
Speaker 7: Michael Park.
Speaker 2: We want to give context to that as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure. MICHAEH.
Speaker 5: Parsons had this big live stream on his podcast on
Speaker 5: Friday night in Vegas and had.
Speaker 8: A lot of people pop through.
Speaker 6: C J.
Speaker 5: Stroud, Steven Ay Smith, Ceedee Lamb and Jordan Love. And
Speaker 5: Jordan Love stayed on for fifty four minutes and they
Speaker 5: talked about a lot of things. The second half of
Speaker 5: that podcast is actually pretty fun because then they just
Speaker 5: talk ball. It's actually kind of interesting. But the first
Speaker 5: half there's probably a good ten to fifteen minute section
Speaker 5: where they're talking about the game, the Cowboys Packers game
Speaker 5: and how they were able to attack the Cowboys defense.
Speaker 5: And it was kind of funny because Jordan Love was
Speaker 5: he was very straightforward and honest about it, but it
Speaker 5: kind of came off as like, I don't know, kind
Speaker 5: of like facetious in some ways. He was like, well,
Speaker 5: you know, we were looking at your defense and noticed
Speaker 5: she had a defensive back playing linebacker, so.
Speaker 8: We were going to run the ball.
Speaker 6: Michael was not like a safety or something like that.
Speaker 5: Michael was like, all right, cool, Yeah, so it's tough,
Speaker 5: but yeah, I there's a lot of people on Twitter.
Speaker 5: I think whenever that video dropped on Saturday morning, that
Speaker 5: we're calling that a little bit soft and kind of
Speaker 5: pairing it with d Law having those soft comments a
Speaker 5: couple of days before, was soft having Jordan Love on
Speaker 5: the podcast just just in general. Yeah, yeah, and there
Speaker 5: was a lot of there was a lot of discourse
Speaker 5: about that. So yeah, well, okay, that's that's why you're
Speaker 5: off Twitter. That's why I just tell you everything that happened.
Speaker 2: Nick's got this under wraps, he's got it all good.
Speaker 8: I'll bring the toxicity to you.
Speaker 6: Don't worry straight gifts. That's my response.
Speaker 4: So the second half of Allen's comments, they're talking about
Speaker 4: will the Cowboys regret letting the wrong coach quote unquote go,
Speaker 4: there's no way you make that decision. I just I know,
Speaker 4: I know what you're thinking. I know what the thought
Speaker 4: process is there. That decision was never in.
Speaker 2: The question for this organization.
Speaker 4: And with that being said, part of the problem was
Speaker 4: dan Quinn too. He gave up twenty seven points in
Speaker 4: the first half to a team that he should not
Speaker 4: have given up twenty seven points in the first half too.
Speaker 5: And let the records show that they were They did
Speaker 5: not get rid of dan Quinn. They did not like,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, let him walk, more than okay with having
Speaker 5: him back in the building right now if Washington did
Speaker 5: not hire him as a head coach. So they were
Speaker 5: more than okay with running it back with what they had.
Speaker 5: So that's only by chance of the commanders signing them
Speaker 5: as head coach. And you know, maybe that gives you
Speaker 5: a little bit more parody going into Mike McCarthy's final
Speaker 5: year on contract and we'll see, But I think that's
Speaker 5: too tough to judge. You look at what they were
Speaker 5: able to do offensively, what they were able to to
Speaker 5: do defensively, the time that each coach had, and being
Speaker 5: able to form those systems. I don't think you make
Speaker 5: a decision there, which they didn't. Washington made it for him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's right. Time will tell, But that's anything
Speaker 4: in the NFL. Right time will tell anything. It'll tell
Speaker 4: if Dan Quinn's going to be a good hire in Washington,
Speaker 4: it'll be if Mike Zimmer's a good hire as the
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator in Dallas.
Speaker 2: That's just the NFL. I mean, time will tell.
Speaker 4: If Patrick Mahomes was a good draft pick back in
Speaker 4: twenty seventeen for the Kansas City Chiefs, he turned to
Speaker 4: be pretty okay.
Speaker 8: Time didn't really have to tell that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, having quick you only had a couple Hey, short
Speaker 4: amount of time, long amount of time.
Speaker 2: You can figure it out in a couple of ways.
Speaker 2: But that's that's ultimately our are.
Speaker 4: My thought on the process. We'll see what happens moving forward.
Speaker 4: All right, Isaiah, you will not be here next week
Speaker 4: or the following or the following week.
Speaker 2: Where are you going?
Speaker 6: I am going to Tanzania?
Speaker 2: Why is that going?
Speaker 7: With the Chris Long. Chris Long has a foundation on
Speaker 7: actually waterboys dot org where they go to Tanzania and
Speaker 7: other countries in Africa and provide water, sustainable water wells
Speaker 7: and obviously underprivileged areas of the of the country. So
Speaker 7: super excited to go play a part in that was
Speaker 7: able to raise some funds through all the donations, so
Speaker 7: thank you to everybody who donated. Now I get to
Speaker 7: actually go see the impact in person. And then uh,
Speaker 7: in association with that, we're climbing Mount Kilimanjaro.
Speaker 2: Oh like that's like the side that's a side quest,
Speaker 2: that's the gig. Yeah, so interesting.
Speaker 6: Four days up, two days down. Pray for your boy.
Speaker 5: I was asking you in the break about how you
Speaker 5: how you get there? Can you can you explain that
Speaker 5: some peopleause I don't think you got the chance to fin.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm yeah. So I leave.
Speaker 7: I fly from here to Detroit, which I think is
Speaker 7: like three hours or something like that.
Speaker 6: I have two and a half hours, three hours the Lions.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then I fly from Detroit to Amsterdam, which
Speaker 7: I think is eight seven and a half hours, and
Speaker 7: then I have another layover, and then I fly from
Speaker 7: Amsterdam down to Tanzania, which is eight hours half hours.
Speaker 2: So you go straight from Amsterdam to tanzan air right there.
Speaker 5: Okay, so I figured there'd be another layover in there,
Speaker 5: but yeah.
Speaker 6: That works. Yeah, I wish I wish I had your
Speaker 6: private jet. But twenty three hours of traveling.
Speaker 2: I'm shocked you didn't go to like Johannesburg first.
Speaker 7: I either way, I would have been in the airport.
Speaker 7: I'm not getting out of air but it's gonna be
Speaker 7: an interesting trip. I'm super I'm getting excited. I'm kind
Speaker 7: of paranoid of making sure that I have all my
Speaker 7: gear because there's no buying gear.
Speaker 6: Once you're there, So just trying to make sure that
Speaker 6: I have all everything checked off.
Speaker 7: And I'm gonna get a lot of content, record a
Speaker 7: lot of stuff, take a lot of pictures, and hopefully
Speaker 7: have a big impact, and then hopefully I can make
Speaker 7: it all the way up and down the mountain.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 5: Well, good stuff can us from the top of Mount
Speaker 5: kilim then jar on our show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the middle of Mount Kilimanjaro.
Speaker 6: Call you guys this midnight.
Speaker 2: Is there quickly?
Speaker 4: Is there any way for those listening to still be involved?
Speaker 7: Absolutely, you guys go to waterboys dot org and you
Speaker 7: guys go on there and see the current roster and myself,
Speaker 7: as I think there's eleven others that are part of it.
Speaker 7: And if you guys want to donate, just click on
Speaker 7: my name on the roster and you guys can donate
Speaker 7: a really good cause. They've had a big impact for
Speaker 7: a lot of years and I'm excited to be on
Speaker 7: the ground with them.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 4: That's really cool. Well, good luck, let us know how
Speaker 4: it goes. Please come back in three weeks alive, please
Speaker 4: and good to go.
Speaker 2: That would be great. All right, that'll do it for
Speaker 2: us here on Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 4: We'll be back next Tuesday with Nick and John Machoda
Speaker 4: on the show for Isaiah stand back, Nick Harris, Chris
Speaker 4: Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yoman saying so long
Speaker 4: from Talking Cowboys. We'll see you next week.
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