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Speaker 2: The scope is pretty broad.

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Speaker 4: You can talk about a little bit of anything at

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Speaker 4: this point where we're gonna start with Mike Zimmer officially

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Speaker 4: officially being named the defensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they agreed to terms yesterday, initially chosen on Thursday.

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Speaker 5: It looked like that was some back and forth. I

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Speaker 5: don't really want to buy into it, to be honest.

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Speaker 5: I mean, of Jones's in the front office were in

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Speaker 5: Vegas and were their contract negotiations. Yes, but I don't

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Speaker 5: think there was anything that concerned anybody in this building

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Speaker 5: as far as the deal not getting done. So it

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Speaker 5: gets done yesterday afternoon around three pm or so, and

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Speaker 5: now we're looking forward as Mike Zimmer is a new

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Speaker 5: DC comes back to Dallas after seven seasons from two

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Speaker 5: thousand to two thousand and six. We talked about many,

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Speaker 5: many possibilities last week, and I think Zimmer over over

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Speaker 5: and beyond was probably the consensus pick. I know some

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Speaker 5: of us may have had different number ones, some of us,

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Speaker 5: some of them, some of us may have had different

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Speaker 5: number ones, but I think if you had told all

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Speaker 5: four of us, I don't.

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Speaker 6: Think he was that close.

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Speaker 4: I don't believe a word the schefter said in this

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Speaker 4: entire process. He was so off every time. If you

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Speaker 4: get a name, whoever, his source was, name Isaiah. Isaiah

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Speaker 4: was schefter. That's exactly what it was.

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Speaker 6: I don't have any answer if he had to be

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Speaker 6: down to the last two coaches, who was it.

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Speaker 5: If it came down to the last two Mike Zimmer

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Speaker 5: and Aiden Dirty? Yeah, I think it was Aiden Dirty. Yes,

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Speaker 5: I can say that confidently. Aiden Dirty made a big

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Speaker 5: impression during his interviews, and I mean he was on

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Speaker 5: the edge for the Seahawks DC position. And you see

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Speaker 5: how quick that developed as soon as Mike Zimmer was

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Speaker 5: announced on Thursday night. I mean we're talking Friday morning,

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Speaker 5: eleven am. Seahawks DC is when he was getting announced.

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Speaker 5: That's still not finalized, so you know, kind of wait

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Speaker 5: on that for this week. But Aiden Dirty oppressed a

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Speaker 5: lot of people in the verse, and it seems like

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Speaker 5: he has a lot to bring from a scheme standpoint

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Speaker 5: as well. So, but as far as Mike Zimmer, I

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Speaker 5: think it's an interesting guy to bring into the building.

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Speaker 5: We talked about kind of needing, for lack of a

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Speaker 5: better term, needing a hard ass a little bit on

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Speaker 5: the defensive side of the ball, and I think you

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Speaker 5: had that with Mike Zimmer. Granted he's been out of

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Speaker 5: coaching for the last three years, but I think this

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Speaker 5: is an interesting possibility as far as being able to

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Speaker 5: bring a guy who has veteran experience. He has succeeded

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Speaker 5: and coached in so many different eras. I mean, we're

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Speaker 5: talking nineties, twenty twenty tens with different type of talent.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is a guy who has coached Deon

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Speaker 5: Sanders and has had Justin Jefferson on his team. I mean,

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Speaker 5: look at the spam there and being able to be

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Speaker 5: then what do you do up front? I think that's

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Speaker 5: a couple of interesting things that I think they could do,

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Speaker 5: but we'll we'll talk about throughout the show. But it's

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Speaker 5: an interesting hire. I like the hire. He works well

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Speaker 5: with Mike McCarthy. You can't find one big negative in

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Speaker 6: What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 7: I think he is a obviously approven coach in his league.

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Speaker 7: My concerns remain the same in regards to his ability

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Speaker 7: to relate to the type of players that are on

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Speaker 7: this roster currently. There's obviously going to be additions, but

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Speaker 7: not sure.

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Speaker 6: I'm not confident. I'll put it that way.

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Speaker 7: I am not confident currently based upon what I know

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Speaker 7: about him and what I've seen from him.

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Speaker 6: As a coach over all these years.

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Speaker 7: We have all this documentation to be able to go

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Speaker 7: back and look at players that I know who have

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Speaker 7: sure that that coaching style is going to work, but

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Speaker 7: we'll find out soon enough. I don't have any concerns

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Speaker 7: about his capabilities as the defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 6: I don't have any concerns about that.

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Speaker 7: My concerns are solely on his ability to relate and

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Speaker 7: communicate at a level that's going to produce productivity on

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Speaker 7: to work. One of the things that I you know,

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Speaker 7: I don't want to throw shade. I just go off

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Speaker 7: of history. I'm a facts guy. Look at how coach

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Speaker 7: the COVID situation with his teams, and I think that

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Speaker 7: in terms of him and being able to communicate on

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Speaker 6: Those are concerns of mine that I have in regards

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Speaker 5: Well, whether it works or not, and obviously you need

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Speaker 5: it to work, it's a one year trial deal with

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Speaker 5: this basically, this coaching staff. But regardless of that, whether

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Speaker 5: it works or not, could you argue that this defense

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Speaker 5: kind of needs that coaching style.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, they need a more they need more discipline in

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Speaker 7: that regards, They need somebody to kick him in there.

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Speaker 6: But whether or not they can.

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Speaker 7: Receive it, right, I like that coaching style that works

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Speaker 7: for me, right, But I played in a totally different

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Speaker 7: era to your point. Right, you know the guys that

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Speaker 7: the more recent guys he ended up not being there,

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Speaker 7: right because you know, Jessin Jefferson and things and guys

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Speaker 7: he can. He's done well historically with those type of players,

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Speaker 7: but now this new age. That's where the challenge is.

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Speaker 4: You've talked about it before, though there were coaches that

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Speaker 4: were on this coaching staff in the past, whether it

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Speaker 4: was offense or defense, that spoke the truth that were

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Speaker 4: at that level of But we're personal coaching staff.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean Zimmer can't be personally.

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Speaker 6: I didn't say he can't.

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Speaker 7: I'm just saying his his his work that we have

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Speaker 7: the players that I personally know that I've talked to

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Speaker 7: who who have played for him, Yeah, that's an area

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Speaker 8: Every time, every player of them.

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Speaker 6: I think.

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Speaker 8: No, I was just asking again because I wonder what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also look at it from an express staple.

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Speaker 6: Right, didn't would he express some of that? And one

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Speaker 6: of his interviews recently.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of people have expressed a lot

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Speaker 4: of things of the last week. I feel like everybody

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Speaker 4: has talked and by that I mean everybody that ever

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Speaker 4: said something this week. Emmitt, Troy Michael, I mean so

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Speaker 4: cry I just want that to be clear.

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Speaker 7: I don't have concerns about his ability to perform and

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Speaker 7: put out a good product on the field. I have

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Speaker 7: zero concerns about that. Sure, it's this, can he get

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Speaker 7: the most out of his players? And that in order

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Speaker 7: to get the most out of your players, you have

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Speaker 7: to be able to connect with those guys, and you

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Speaker 7: have to be able to know what buttons to push,

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Speaker 7: You have to know how far you can go. You

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Speaker 7: got to be able to be able to have a

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Speaker 7: relationship with them. Right as much as you are a

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Speaker 7: coach and a director, you still got to be able

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Speaker 7: to have a relationship with these guys.

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Speaker 6: It's just a new age.

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Speaker 8: Man that doesn't that kind of play into performing though.

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Speaker 5: If you have to do that and connect with your

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Speaker 5: that that goes into being able to perform. If you

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Speaker 5: have no concerns about him being able to perform. How

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Speaker 5: does that kind of every side with it.

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Speaker 7: I'm just I would like to say that, But you're

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Speaker 7: seeing this, You're seeing it change, Like, how many coaches

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Speaker 7: in this league have been successful with that style?

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Speaker 6: How many of us are left? Honestly, I feel like that's.

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Speaker 5: Not because I can't think of any right now. I

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Speaker 5: can't think of any coaches.

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Speaker 7: No, no, No, Tom Tomlin is the only one that

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Speaker 7: I could point out and say he has consistently been

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Speaker 7: successful regardless of the type of generation with that.

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Speaker 6: Style of coaching.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but not everybody is Sean McVay and Mike McDaniel.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I get it, they've I'm just saying what

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Speaker 4: the hard asses across the league that we don't even

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, I'm just saying seemingly what the league is kind

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Speaker 7: of gravitating towards.

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Speaker 6: And I don't think it's happening by chance.

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Speaker 4: You think it's because of a generational absolutely in thought process.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, I get it.

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Speaker 2: But x's and o's wise too.

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Speaker 4: You're looking at Zimmer and you're saying, beast, he might

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Speaker 4: be one of the best fits. I mean, you talk

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Speaker 4: about sim pressures, which for those that don't know sim pressure,

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Speaker 4: and I looked up the definition just so that way

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Speaker 4: I get it right. Pressure that brings a non traditional

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Speaker 4: rusher like a lineback or defensive back in exchange for

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Speaker 4: dropping a traditional rusher. There were times when dan Quinn

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Speaker 4: blitz zone blitz.

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Speaker 6: Yes, there are.

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Speaker 2: Times when dan Quinn ran that a lot.

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Speaker 4: Mike Zimmer was one of the original guys that brought

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Speaker 4: the SIM rush and brought it the sim pressure to

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Speaker 4: the forefront. Now he has a defense that he could

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Speaker 4: certainly run that with. He's gonna need beef in the middle.

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Speaker 6: He's gonna need bigger guy.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna need beef in the linebacker corps.

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Speaker 6: But we knew that already.

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Speaker 4: That was the case, even if it was Zimmer, if

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Speaker 4: it was Ryan, if it was dirty It, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Correct, you needed that regardless.

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Speaker 4: But now, whenever you look at what he brings to

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Speaker 7: If they can get the personnel to match it. I'm

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Speaker 5: I had somebody asked me on Twitter yesterday, Hey, with

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Speaker 8: You think he's a big time target now?

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Speaker 5: And I was like, Mike Zimmer, Hans Zimmer, it doesn't

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Speaker 7: Guys who have been valued in this building to date

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Speaker 2: You don't want to say names.

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Speaker 6: But I'm saying based.

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Speaker 7: Upon what this, this style of defense, right, this scheme

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Speaker 5: Well kind of think of it as well, though, Think

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Speaker 5: It was expected that there was going to be longevity

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Speaker 5: at each of those three spots, and that's what he

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Speaker 8: Is it more so?

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Speaker 5: Hey, these are the pieces you got, These are our

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Speaker 6: I don't think there.

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Speaker 7: I don't think that the Joneses are going to ask

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Speaker 4: If he made that decision on his own, very much so,

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Speaker 7: But also, if we're going to bring up all the

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Speaker 2: That just completely discounting.

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Speaker 7: You can't like you have to say, Okay, this is

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Speaker 7: Let's do our best to try to make sure that

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Speaker 4: Is it realistic to have expectations for Zimmer at the

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Speaker 8: I can't even think back to the expectations for dan Quinn.

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Speaker 4: I think I would understand, like, if let's say, if

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Speaker 2: Based off of or equal based off of who the

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Speaker 6: I'll have to say higher.

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Speaker 6: Zimmer. Now you're you're being.

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Speaker 7: You have to account for grace, right, You have to

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Speaker 7: account for grace now. Yeah, and you wouldn't have had

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Speaker 7: there's gonna be a scheme change. Like there's a lot

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Speaker 7: the expectations, everything that you've learned. If you've been on

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Speaker 8: Those same points.

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Speaker 5: This past season under dan Quinn's defense fifth and total

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Speaker 5: But for Mike Zimmer coming in, I think there's an

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Speaker 5: far as what he can do with his staff. Most

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Speaker 4: And it would also that would help you in the

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Speaker 4: Whenever you are Mike Zimmer coming in with a new

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Speaker 7: I'm not against any specialists coaches. I'm not against that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, lane.

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Speaker 7: Discipline is going to be more of an emphasis. You know,

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Speaker 6: Where it's all pass rushers out there.

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Speaker 7: You know, there's so much that changes, and it's like

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Speaker 6: Your that was your whole role, that was your purpose.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean that's part of the point is

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Speaker 2: It should not be the level of Dan Quinn.

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Speaker 4: If he reaches that level and Mike Zimmer comes in

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Speaker 2: And he's done a phenomenal job. But a realistic expectation

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Speaker 4: Zimmer is to come in and provide a formidable defense

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Speaker 7: But if you had to add those two characteristics and

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Speaker 7: Let me think, because I mean it's I think it's

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Speaker 7: just level those two areas up and something's not going

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Speaker 4: This team was better against the big play the last

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Speaker 8: Why these dvs are Deron Blaine and I.

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Speaker 5: It's they're Ballhawks. That's going to happen regardless.

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Speaker 7: Which one would you like creating a man player. You

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Speaker 8: Defense, Yes I can.

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Speaker 8: But it's interesting.

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Speaker 5: it'll work for them. That's not the concern I have

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Speaker 7: What's the timeline in term what's the expectation for a

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Speaker 5: I would say we're looking at February thirteenth combined, in

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Speaker 5: it should be done.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly what I was thinking, because the combine serves

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Speaker 4: of coaches, because a lot of guys, I mean, you

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Speaker 4: know how it is, they all go out there. The

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl is one of them where you have the

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Speaker 4: networking ability and you have the parties or whatever. But

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Speaker 4: the Combine is kind of like that last chance to

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Speaker 4: get your position. So I bet you week after the Combine,

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Speaker 4: maybe ten days after the combine, every staff in the

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be pretty much done by it.

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Speaker 7: And just set the proper expectations for the fans out

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Speaker 7: there listening. He doesn't have to retain everybody on the staff,

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Speaker 7: nor on that side of the ball, Like everybody's job

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Speaker 7: him for him to theoretically, theoretically he has to decide

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Speaker 7: to bring them back. It's not a guarantee. It's not like, oh,

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Speaker 7: I was currently on here before with dan Quinn, I

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Speaker 6: Ye.

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Speaker 7: Zimmer has to come in and say I like you

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Speaker 7: the same wavelengths or not. Yeah, So that's that's something

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Speaker 7: that people aren't thinking about.

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Speaker 5: Also, and also to keep to that point, Washington is

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Speaker 8: To do with this defensive staff, that's that's for a reason.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you look at Dirty, he's already gone. He's

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Speaker 4: the defensive coordinator with Seattle. Joey Junior joins Dan Quinn

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Speaker 4: Al Harris. I think your defensive back coach is probably

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Speaker 2: And outside of that.

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Speaker 4: I think everybody's job is, like you said, it's under review,

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Speaker 4: and that's that basically comes down to Mike Zimmer and

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Speaker 2: To Talking Cowboys. Back here on Talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: Isaiah didn't give me a cup, oh.

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Speaker 6: I was looking for a nice little.

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Speaker 5: Bowl blaming others. That's the type of culture. Mike Zimmer

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Speaker 5: doesn't want to get.

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Speaker 7: I know we gotta get the callers, but can we

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Speaker 7: talk about the d law comment?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: And Gilmore quickly walk that back as well, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 6: Want to talk about it real quick, bro, Like, what

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Speaker 6: the heck was that?

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Speaker 4: So just to give context, like I said in the

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Speaker 4: first segment, it feels like everybody current, former, past, doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Cowboy had their opinions out.

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Speaker 4: There on Super Bowl Radio Row and in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 4: and there was a comment from DeMarcus Lawrence that said,

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Speaker 4: and what show was it on?

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Speaker 8: It was on first take.

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Speaker 2: It was on first take.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a big show. I was about to say,

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Speaker 4: Pat McAfee, that was Tony Pollard. That was a different

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Speaker 4: conversation too. Uh. DeMarcus Lawrence said that they were burnt out,

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Speaker 4: that the defense, that the team, that the Cowboys were

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Speaker 4: tired going into that wild card long season.

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Speaker 2: It was a long season, seventeen games.

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Speaker 4: You rested your starters in the back half of the

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Speaker 4: seventeenth game.

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Speaker 5: I would have understood that in the NFC Championship. If

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Speaker 5: you're got the NFC Championship and get your boat whipped.

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Speaker 4: Well, you can even see in the Super Bowl both

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Speaker 4: of those teams were gassed by the end of the

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl. The Chiefs and the forty nine ers, they

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Speaker 4: were hell they played five quarters, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: They were on edge. How many more games did they play?

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Speaker 8: Three? Three or one of them?

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Speaker 2: Two?

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Speaker 7: But honestly, honestly, honest, first perion, how did that make

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Speaker 7: that statement from DeMarcus Morris make you feel?

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Speaker 6: I not love it.

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Speaker 5: Initially, I was like, Okay, everyone else is the same

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Speaker 5: exact level of it. It's not like the Packers that

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Speaker 5: only played fourteen games coming into that correct. And Stefan

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Speaker 5: Gilmour was asked about that in a radio interview. I

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Speaker 5: don't remember which one it was. I don't want to

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Speaker 5: miss miss credit here, but it was one of the

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Speaker 5: radio interviews that he did. It's like somebody had asked him,

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Speaker 5: what do you think about you know, were you guys

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Speaker 5: tired or burn day? He's I know, no, No, I

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Speaker 5: don't want to hear that. No, Yeah, that's not what

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Speaker 5: it was.

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Speaker 4: I think if DeMarcus so and he's so good with

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Speaker 4: the media all the time, and he really is a

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Speaker 4: leader on that defense, I think if he was given

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Speaker 4: an opportunity, he wouldn't have set it the same way.

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Speaker 2: And I also don't know if he completely.

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Speaker 4: Mint it the way that it came out, either where

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Speaker 4: he's saying they were burnt out and they were tired

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Speaker 4: and all that. I understand everybody's tired, but I don't

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Speaker 4: think he was using it as the excuse or wanted

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Speaker 4: to use it as the excuse that he ended up

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Speaker 4: doing it.

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Speaker 2: As how it wasn't a great state.

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Speaker 6: How could have been interpreted that that.

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Speaker 4: It was the end of the season and they didn't

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Speaker 4: play well and they weren't ready.

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Speaker 2: I think that's basically what he was trying to say.

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Speaker 5: What I took it as is that they had a

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Speaker 5: rough December stretch and they were burnt out and tired

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Speaker 5: after that.

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Speaker 8: That's what I took it as.

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Speaker 5: It's like, which is that at Buffalo, Miami, Detroit, Washington,

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Speaker 5: you know, and then they run into the playoffs, And

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Speaker 5: that's what I kind of took it as, like, we, look,

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Speaker 5: we just came off this stretch tired and burnt out.

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Speaker 8: Look I'm not the one make an excuse. I'm just

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Speaker 8: saying I'm just giving a.

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Speaker 5: Trying it from both sides to have a better part.

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Speaker 5: You're right, regardless, it doesn't matter. I like playing the

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Speaker 5: Five Bears sixteen weeks in a row. It can't be tired.

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Speaker 7: I didn't like some things come even if that was

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Speaker 7: a thought process, some things don't come out.

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Speaker 6: Of your mouth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah sure.

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Speaker 7: And who was it that a couple of years back

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Speaker 7: that said you don't give one hundred percent on every play?

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Speaker 2: That was, oh gosh, safety here, yep he was.

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Speaker 6: I don't remember that, sad, Oh yeah, we don't.

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Speaker 2: It was bad.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we don't give one.

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Speaker 2: It was Anthony Brown.

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Speaker 6: There you go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no it was It wasn't Anthony. It

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Speaker 2: wouldn't they be.

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Speaker 4: Who was uh Woods Antoine or not Antoine Xavier Woods?

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Speaker 4: The I tend to give DeMarcus Lawrence a pass on

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Speaker 4: this one because he's never been that I would like

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Speaker 4: to He's never been that guy to make.

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Speaker 7: Excuses totally entire career. I totally agree with you, Kyle,

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Speaker 7: but I just like some things just don't.

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Speaker 2: I can't before you say somethings is like, you.

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Speaker 6: Know what, I'm gonna pull that one back. I agree.

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Speaker 2: I can't defend what he said, but I can defend

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Speaker 2: the player.

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Speaker 6: I agree.

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Speaker 2: I get I can defend.

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Speaker 4: Who he is and what he does recours into this

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Speaker 4: team and if you don't believe me and you don't

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Speaker 4: understand the film on freaking look at the All twenty.

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Speaker 2: Two, because he's there. I will defend the player all day,

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Speaker 2: every day. I can't defend what he said because I didn't.

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Speaker 6: Like it either.

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Speaker 10: Yep.

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Speaker 4: But that's ultimately the thought process behind what DeMarcus Lawrence said.

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Speaker 4: And we could go into what Tony said, what Ceed said,

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Speaker 4: what Micah said him it said, we could talk about

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Speaker 4: a lot and yeah, what Jordan Loves said. Yeah, we

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Speaker 4: ain't talk about all that. But instead I want to

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Speaker 4: hear first Dano in Florida. Dano, you're on talking cowboys.

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Speaker 4: What's going on?

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Speaker 14: Hey, guys, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: What's on your mind?

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Speaker 14: Well, a couple of things, you know, uh, what you

670
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 14: were just talking about with DeMarcus. You know, Jimmy Johnson said,

671
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 14: you know, fatigue makes cowards out of all of us.

672
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 14: I agree. I think I think DeMarcus Lawrence would have

673
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 14: loved to have taken those words back. However, you know,

674
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Speaker 14: I also listened to the Triplets and Darren Johnson and

675
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 14: Marcus Spears, and they all see they all seem to

676
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 14: say the same thing. The problem is in the organization.

677
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 14: It's not a DAK issue, it's an organization issue. That

678
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 14: being said, I just want to mention a little bit

679
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Speaker 14: about what I think needs to happen. The old line

680
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 14: needs to get a little bit more physical up front.

681
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 14: I think this kid Hoffman at Center might be a steal.

682
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 14: I think basket Center might be a steal. Either way,

683
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Speaker 14: I think that's an upgrade of what we have. I

684
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Speaker 14: think you bring Tyrone back if he's willing to come

685
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 14: back under the same practice schedule he had this year. Defensively,

686
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 14: I still haven't heard why Mazzi Smith lost all that way.

687
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 14: Haven't heard a thing about that. I think you got

688
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 14: to bring Hankins back. And I think you got to

689
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 14: get an attitude. And Zimmer brings an attitude. I think

690
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 14: he brings a real, in your face, punch him in

691
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 14: the face attitude where you know he doesn't want to

692
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Speaker 14: be your best friend. And I think perhaps dan Quinn

693
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 14: got to the point where he wanted to be everybody's

694
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Speaker 14: friends and there's that fine line you gotta walk, and

695
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Speaker 14: you know, I don't know if that comfort level got,

696
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 14: you know, too strong between everybody, but I think dan Quinn, I,

697
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 14: for one, was not one sorry to see him leave.

698
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Speaker 14: I think, I think, yeah, I think we're going to

699
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 14: see some edge Rutgers going. But I think i'd like

700
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Speaker 14: to see Sam Williams step up. I'd like to bring

701
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 14: back Thorn's armstrong and I think a guy that goes

702
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 14: unheralded somewhat is Goldstein. All right, And then I want

703
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Speaker 14: to go back to the old line real quick. You know,

704
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 14: we've switched old line coaches twice in three years here

705
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Speaker 14: now I believe, okay, and I don't know if this

706
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 14: guy is the answer. I still say that when the

707
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 14: old line, when that coach was Mark Colombo, they mauled people,

708
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 14: didn't matter who was upfront. They mauled people. They had

709
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Speaker 14: an attitude, and it seems like that's not there anymore.

710
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 14: I'd like to see an on line coach who's going

711
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Speaker 14: to bring that element of attack, physicality, nastiness, and I

712
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Speaker 14: just don't see that they have it and all in

713
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Speaker 14: as far as I'm concerned from the front office, I'd

714
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Speaker 14: like to see him get a Davonte David or Bobby

715
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 14: Wagner things like that. So I'll hang up. You guys

716
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Speaker 14: have a good day.

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Speaker 15: Hey, quick question for you, Dan, Oh, you didn't get

718
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 15: him quick enough. Dang, okay, it's all would I was

719
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Speaker 15: going to ask that, Yeah, it's all good, no worries

720
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 15: he was, he was on a mission. I was going

721
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Speaker 15: to ask him if he had kind of felt like

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Speaker 15: dan Quinn had reached his ceiling.

723
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Speaker 5: That's why he was okay with him leaving. And I

724
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 5: think there were some some conversation points there. But look

725
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 5: up front, if we're talking about the offensive line, I

726
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 5: think there's there's a resounding approval with everybody in this

727
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 5: building that things need to be changed up front.

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Speaker 8: What does that look like?

729
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Speaker 5: Who knows, but it's I'd be shocked if the same

730
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 5: five that started the playoff game will be the same

731
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Speaker 5: five that started in Week one.

732
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Speaker 8: What do you do?

733
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Speaker 5: You have a couple of different options. Tyler Biodisch's free agent,

734
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 5: Tyron Smith is a free agent. Do you feel like

735
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 5: you struck lightning in a bottle by having Tyron Smith

736
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 5: for thirteen games this past season. If you do feel

737
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 5: like that, then you probably don't bring it back. If

738
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Speaker 5: you don't feel like that, then hey, maybe you try

739
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 5: another one or two more years with Tyler Biottish. How

740
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 5: comfortable do you feel in his run blocking abilities. Do

741
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 5: you feel like that's a big reason why you weren't

742
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 5: able to have success in the interior running the ball

743
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 5: up the middle. If you feel that way, go get

744
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 5: a different center. Fortunately, this is the draft to do it,

745
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 5: to be able to get either of those spots in

746
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Speaker 5: the first round. But I think regardless, you're gonna see

747
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 5: some youth upfront. You're gonna see some changes up front.

748
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 5: We talk about there's been some discourse about Mike Celari.

749
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 5: I'm okay with Mike Clarion where he's at. I don't

750
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 5: think that's the concern here. I think it's more so

751
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 5: of a personnel thing. I think they just got to

752
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 5: find some different ways and some different people to bring

753
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 5: in your thoughts.

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Speaker 7: There was a lot to unpack. Yeah, I agree with

755
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 7: you on the offensive front. Nobody's going to dispute that here.

756
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 7: Defensive line, I don't disagree with you there. You're going

757
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 7: to see a lot of turnover there, I believe. In

758
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 7: regards to the person now, dan Quinn being excited he's leaving,

759
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 7: and that's I wasn't on that train. Missed that one,

760
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 7: totally missed that train.

761
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 4: Didn't have a to And Dano's not alone in that fact,

762
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Speaker 4: there are a lot of people that when I was

763
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Speaker 4: talking about expectations of dan Quinn and Mike Zimmer and

764
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 4: what they compare, like, a lot of people were happy

765
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 4: that dan Quinn is now gone.

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Speaker 2: I'm not there. I don't agree, and I'm very vocal

767
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: about that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he did a phenomenal job with this defense for

769
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Speaker 4: three years.

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Speaker 2: I don't care how it ended in that one game.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you build off of that and you use that

772
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Speaker 4: going forward to build your team better for the future.

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean he was a bad coordinator.

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Speaker 6: People are, Yeah, people have very short term memories.

775
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 7: That's the case because dan Quinn and what he brought

776
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 7: to the field was one of the most feared defenses

777
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 7: out there, you know. So anyways, yeah, yeah, you know.

778
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 7: In terms of Zimmer looking forward to seeing what changes,

779
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 7: I'm looking forward to seeing to what changes. I know

780
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 7: that he's a He's more than capable of putting out

781
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 7: a good product. It's just gonna be a sit and

782
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 7: wait and see the type of deal to see personnel,

783
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 7: how it relates to the correct personnel and what they

784
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 7: bring on the roster.

785
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 5: A question that I hope Mike Zimmers asked in his

786
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 5: press conference, which should be this week, either tomorrow or Thursday.

787
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 5: And if no one asks it, you know, what are

788
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 5: the changes you hope to bring and specifically up front

789
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 5: in front seven, like, what does that look like for you?

790
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 5: What does that look like under your defense? What does

791
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 5: that look like for this team? I think that's gonna

792
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 5: be the biggest thing that fans are wondering.

793
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, Cynthia in Laredo is on the phone line.

794
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 6: What up, Cynthia?

795
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Speaker 2: How's it going, ORGV?

796
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Speaker 16: Happy New year?

797
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 4: Guys, how's it going?

798
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Speaker 2: What's on your mind?

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Speaker 16: I'll tell you what. First of all, you got ahead

800
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Speaker 16: of me. You touched on what I wanted to talk about,

801
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 16: and that was the Marcus's remarks about being tired. But

802
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 16: my next concern is, can you guys just talk a

803
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 16: little bit about I'm worried about the running back situation

804
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 16: and what do you think could happen there? Okay, you'll

805
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 16: have a great time, and I'm still watching you, guys.

806
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: Okay, appreciation, Cynthia. I'll tell Nate you said hello, Okay, yes, so.

807
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 16: Give him give him a big hug for you.

808
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 3: Okay.

809
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 16: It sounds maybe and maybe this coming year, well I'll

810
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 16: get to see him again, there you go and the show.

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Speaker 2: There you go, perfect love it. Appreciate your cynthony.

812
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 6: There there she goes.

813
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 8: Let me give Nate a little smooch on the she from.

814
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: How quickly do you think he would go through the

815
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: nearest wall?

816
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 8: It would be a past that he just fallen too.

817
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 2: Like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? What are you doing all right?

818
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: Running back physician.

819
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 4: Tony Pollard's comments over the weekend on the Pat mcapee

820
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 4: Show didn't make me feel much better about how he

821
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 4: is attacking this offseason as a part of the Dallas

822
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 4: Cowboys teams. Yeah, he didn't even realize dan Quinn was gone.

823
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 4: Now offensive player, defensive staff member. It's not like they

824
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 4: were super close. But I mean, come you believe it.

825
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Speaker 2: No, I don't believe think it's a negotiation tactic.

826
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 8: I don't know what it is.

827
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 5: I just don't believe that for one second, just like

828
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 5: two three days by that point.

829
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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's no way.

830
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 2: I don't think.

831
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 8: So there's no way.

832
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 7: There is at least one text message that came through anyways.

833
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 7: Social I'm talking about social media running back position.

834
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Speaker 6: I think there's a couple of candidates out there that

835
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 6: I think.

836
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Speaker 7: That they will make a big splash with I'm not

837
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 7: sure one of them we even talk about.

838
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Speaker 6: I don't know the rules around that, but I know it.

839
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Speaker 7: King Henry's free, and I know there's a dude up

840
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 7: in the New York region that I wouldn't be mad

841
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 7: at either, But I think that they're going to I

842
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 7: believe he's free as well.

843
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, well one year deal, one year deal, I think

844
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 5: so regardless, there's another one in Indianapolis coming out as well,

845
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 5: Zach Moss. There's there's an interesting free agents, No, there's

846
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 5: there's interesting free agent opportunities.

847
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 8: I think.

848
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 5: I know I've said this many times on a couple

849
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 5: of shows. You look at what Detroit did with their

850
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 5: backfield this last time season, what they needed to do

851
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 5: and how they attack that. They let Jamal Williams walk

852
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 5: and he was leading the NFL in touchdowns and there

853
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 5: was a lot of criticism around that decision. So what

854
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 5: they do They bring in David Montgomery, who is a

855
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 5: little bit younger, has that same kind of downhill ability,

856
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 5: then okay, let's go get our playmaker Jamiir Gibbs in

857
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 5: the first round. Not saying that Dallas is gonna go

858
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 5: draft running back in the first round. This is certainly

859
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 5: not the draft to do that. But they can go

860
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 5: draft one. They can go pick up free agent combo

861
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 5: that running back room together, then you have something working there.

862
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a lot of different angles they can take

863
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 7: this offseason, but I don't foresee the running back room

864
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 7: having any issues.

865
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Speaker 6: It's just we just don't know what it's going to

866
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 6: look like.

867
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Speaker 5: I think RB three is on this team, though I

868
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 5: think so too. I think so as well.

869
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let's take our second break. When we

870
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 4: come back, we're going to talk to Allen and Clearwater, Florida.

871
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 4: We're gonna take his phone call, and then we'll wrap

872
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 4: things up here. On this offseason edition of Talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: To Talking Cowboys. Back here on Talking Cowboys. This segment

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Speaker 4: Brought to you by invisil Line, the official smile of

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Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys. Nick Harris, Isaiah standback. I'm Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 4: Let's check in with Alan and Clearwater, Florida.

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 6: Alan?

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Speaker 17: Hey, good morning guys.

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Speaker 2: What's on your bid?

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Speaker 17: So? The two points that you're bringing up today the

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Speaker 17: coaching hire and the DeMarcus Lawrence comment. On the DeMarcus

923
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Speaker 17: Lawrence comment, I just want to say this. You know,

924
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 17: there's a difference between making an excuse and explaining what happened.

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00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 17: I don't know what's in his heart and mind when

926
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Speaker 17: he said it. None of us do. We're guessing, but

927
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Speaker 17: everybody's looking for an explanation for the Cowboys collapse in

928
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Speaker 17: Packers game. If DeMarcus Lawrence is saying that, well, speaking

929
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Speaker 17: for myself, I was gassed, I was exhausted. He may

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Speaker 17: not be making an excuse. He may be saying there

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Speaker 17: is a reason for me personally right, I was tanked

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Speaker 17: and so my play wasn't enough to pall. I agree

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Speaker 17: with Isaiah, even if that's true, you should not have

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Speaker 17: said it. I think that's poor for a number of reasons.

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Speaker 17: But I just want to point out that he may

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Speaker 17: not be excusing his play. He may be simply explaining it.

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Speaker 17: Here's the explanation, we were gassed. So on the coaching hire, also,

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Speaker 17: I think you guys really have it pegged. The issue

939
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Speaker 17: is going to be whether zimmer style works for the players.

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Speaker 17: I think that is the key issue. I concur with

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Speaker 17: that opinion. But if we look at again what happened,

942
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Speaker 17: what explains the collapse? The three things that we've been

943
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Speaker 17: talking about is personnel, talent, the game plan, and the

944
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Speaker 17: execution of the players. And if you look on the

945
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Speaker 17: defensive side of the ball, if we answer the first

946
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Speaker 17: question that we had the talent, that there is enough

947
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Speaker 17: talent on this team to win, we're left with two

948
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Speaker 17: other possibilities. It was the game plan that Quinn called,

949
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Speaker 17: or it was the execution of the players. In either case,

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Speaker 17: to my mind, that's a coaching issue. If your players

951
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Speaker 17: aren't executing, you guys are doing something wrong in the

952
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Speaker 17: coaching part of this team as well. So we bring

953
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Speaker 17: in Zimmer, we're probably going to have different game plan,

954
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Speaker 17: And as everybody's been pointing out, it's the discipline on execution.

955
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Speaker 17: If you have enough talent and you have a good

956
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Speaker 17: game plan, then it's execution. And we know this defense

957
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Speaker 17: was not disciplined, not disciplined for penalties with you know

958
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Speaker 17: their assignments. Okay, so we're going to find out if

959
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 17: the key is as you were pointing out. Also, I

960
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 17: just want to say I agree, will it work for

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Speaker 17: this group of players? And that is really why it's

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Speaker 17: disappointing that Quinn didn't stay one more year though, one

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Speaker 17: more year with McCarty. Because him leaving with this group

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Speaker 17: of players, you know, the Cowboys may look back and

965
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Speaker 17: regret did they should have been McCarthy that it was

966
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Speaker 17: gone and given Quinn the team because all these players

967
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Speaker 17: that were working for him. Isn't going to get much

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Speaker 17: worse with this new coach. And if you look at

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Speaker 17: the staff that Quinn's putting together at Washington, I like

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Speaker 17: the staff that he's putting together. I would have liked

971
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Speaker 17: to see that here. Time will tell the Cowboys may

972
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Speaker 17: regret that they let go the wrong coach.

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Speaker 2: Alan, thank you for the call.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate your opinions and some of the questions that you're

975
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Speaker 4: raising there too.

976
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Speaker 2: I'll start with the with.

977
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Speaker 4: The game plan and how he saw the way the

978
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Speaker 4: Wildcard game went down. We talked about it afterwards immediately

979
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Speaker 4: on the show following.

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00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: Everyone deserved a little bit of that loss.

981
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Speaker 4: Game plan check, coaching, check, players, check personnel check. Maybe

982
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 4: this roster wasn't as good as we thought it was.

983
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Speaker 4: Maybe it wasn't as good as we made it out

984
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Speaker 4: to be. Either way, it didn't happen and there was

985
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,479
Speaker 4: a lapse in a number of ways. I think there's

986
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Speaker 4: a little bit of all the elements that he just

987
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Speaker 4: listed that deserve a little bit of the blame for

988
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Speaker 4: what happened in the wildcard round, and that doesn't change

989
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 4: now that we're a month out from what happened.

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Speaker 7: No note at all, And Jordan Love helped you a

991
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Speaker 7: little bit of understanding as to what their game that was,

992
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 7: Michael Park.

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00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: We want to give context to that as well.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure. MICHAEH.

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Speaker 5: Parsons had this big live stream on his podcast on

996
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Speaker 5: Friday night in Vegas and had.

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Speaker 8: A lot of people pop through.

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Speaker 6: C J.

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Speaker 5: Stroud, Steven Ay Smith, Ceedee Lamb and Jordan Love. And

1000
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Speaker 5: Jordan Love stayed on for fifty four minutes and they

1001
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 5: talked about a lot of things. The second half of

1002
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 5: that podcast is actually pretty fun because then they just

1003
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 5: talk ball. It's actually kind of interesting. But the first

1004
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 5: half there's probably a good ten to fifteen minute section

1005
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 5: where they're talking about the game, the Cowboys Packers game

1006
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 5: and how they were able to attack the Cowboys defense.

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00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 5: And it was kind of funny because Jordan Love was

1008
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 5: he was very straightforward and honest about it, but it

1009
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Speaker 5: kind of came off as like, I don't know, kind

1010
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 5: of like facetious in some ways. He was like, well,

1011
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 5: you know, we were looking at your defense and noticed

1012
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Speaker 5: she had a defensive back playing linebacker, so.

1013
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Speaker 8: We were going to run the ball.

1014
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Speaker 6: Michael was not like a safety or something like that.

1015
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Speaker 5: Michael was like, all right, cool, Yeah, so it's tough,

1016
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 5: but yeah, I there's a lot of people on Twitter.

1017
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Speaker 5: I think whenever that video dropped on Saturday morning, that

1018
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 5: we're calling that a little bit soft and kind of

1019
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Speaker 5: pairing it with d Law having those soft comments a

1020
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Speaker 5: couple of days before, was soft having Jordan Love on

1021
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 5: the podcast just just in general. Yeah, yeah, and there

1022
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 5: was a lot of there was a lot of discourse

1023
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 5: about that. So yeah, well, okay, that's that's why you're

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Speaker 5: off Twitter. That's why I just tell you everything that happened.

1025
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Speaker 2: Nick's got this under wraps, he's got it all good.

1026
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Speaker 8: I'll bring the toxicity to you.

1027
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Speaker 6: Don't worry straight gifts. That's my response.

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Speaker 4: So the second half of Allen's comments, they're talking about

1029
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Speaker 4: will the Cowboys regret letting the wrong coach quote unquote go,

1030
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 4: there's no way you make that decision. I just I know,

1031
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 4: I know what you're thinking. I know what the thought

1032
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 4: process is there. That decision was never in.

1033
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: The question for this organization.

1034
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 4: And with that being said, part of the problem was

1035
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 4: dan Quinn too. He gave up twenty seven points in

1036
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 4: the first half to a team that he should not

1037
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 4: have given up twenty seven points in the first half too.

1038
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Speaker 5: And let the records show that they were They did

1039
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 5: not get rid of dan Quinn. They did not like,

1040
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 5: oh yeah, let him walk, more than okay with having

1041
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 5: him back in the building right now if Washington did

1042
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 5: not hire him as a head coach. So they were

1043
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 5: more than okay with running it back with what they had.

1044
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 5: So that's only by chance of the commanders signing them

1045
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 5: as head coach. And you know, maybe that gives you

1046
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 5: a little bit more parody going into Mike McCarthy's final

1047
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 5: year on contract and we'll see, But I think that's

1048
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 5: too tough to judge. You look at what they were

1049
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 5: able to do offensively, what they were able to to

1050
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 5: do defensively, the time that each coach had, and being

1051
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 5: able to form those systems. I don't think you make

1052
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 5: a decision there, which they didn't. Washington made it for him.

1053
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's right. Time will tell, But that's anything

1054
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 4: in the NFL. Right time will tell anything. It'll tell

1055
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 4: if Dan Quinn's going to be a good hire in Washington,

1056
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 4: it'll be if Mike Zimmer's a good hire as the

1057
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator in Dallas.

1058
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: That's just the NFL. I mean, time will tell.

1059
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 4: If Patrick Mahomes was a good draft pick back in

1060
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 4: twenty seventeen for the Kansas City Chiefs, he turned to

1061
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 4: be pretty okay.

1062
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 8: Time didn't really have to tell that one.

1063
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, having quick you only had a couple Hey, short

1064
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 4: amount of time, long amount of time.

1065
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: You can figure it out in a couple of ways.

1066
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: But that's that's ultimately our are.

1067
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 4: My thought on the process. We'll see what happens moving forward.

1068
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 4: All right, Isaiah, you will not be here next week

1069
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 4: or the following or the following week.

1070
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Speaker 2: Where are you going?

1071
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Speaker 6: I am going to Tanzania?

1072
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: Why is that going?

1073
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 7: With the Chris Long. Chris Long has a foundation on

1074
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 7: actually waterboys dot org where they go to Tanzania and

1075
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Speaker 7: other countries in Africa and provide water, sustainable water wells

1076
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Speaker 7: and obviously underprivileged areas of the of the country. So

1077
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 7: super excited to go play a part in that was

1078
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 7: able to raise some funds through all the donations, so

1079
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 7: thank you to everybody who donated. Now I get to

1080
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Speaker 7: actually go see the impact in person. And then uh,

1081
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 7: in association with that, we're climbing Mount Kilimanjaro.

1082
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: Oh like that's like the side that's a side quest,

1083
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: that's the gig. Yeah, so interesting.

1084
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Speaker 6: Four days up, two days down. Pray for your boy.

1085
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 5: I was asking you in the break about how you

1086
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 5: how you get there? Can you can you explain that

1087
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Speaker 5: some peopleause I don't think you got the chance to fin.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm yeah. So I leave.

1089
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 7: I fly from here to Detroit, which I think is

1090
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Speaker 7: like three hours or something like that.

1091
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 6: I have two and a half hours, three hours the Lions.

1092
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and then I fly from Detroit to Amsterdam, which

1093
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Speaker 7: I think is eight seven and a half hours, and

1094
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 7: then I have another layover, and then I fly from

1095
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Speaker 7: Amsterdam down to Tanzania, which is eight hours half hours.

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Speaker 2: So you go straight from Amsterdam to tanzan air right there.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so I figured there'd be another layover in there,

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Speaker 5: but yeah.

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Speaker 6: That works. Yeah, I wish I wish I had your

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Speaker 6: private jet. But twenty three hours of traveling.

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Speaker 2: I'm shocked you didn't go to like Johannesburg first.

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Speaker 7: I either way, I would have been in the airport.

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Speaker 7: I'm not getting out of air but it's gonna be

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Speaker 7: an interesting trip. I'm super I'm getting excited. I'm kind

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Speaker 7: of paranoid of making sure that I have all my

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Speaker 7: gear because there's no buying gear.

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Speaker 6: Once you're there, So just trying to make sure that

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Speaker 6: I have all everything checked off.

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Speaker 7: And I'm gonna get a lot of content, record a

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Speaker 7: lot of stuff, take a lot of pictures, and hopefully

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Speaker 7: have a big impact, and then hopefully I can make

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Speaker 7: it all the way up and down the mountain.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome.

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Speaker 5: Well, good stuff can us from the top of Mount

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Speaker 5: kilim then jar on our show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in the middle of Mount Kilimanjaro.

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Speaker 6: Call you guys this midnight.

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Speaker 2: Is there quickly?

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Speaker 4: Is there any way for those listening to still be involved?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, you guys go to waterboys dot org and you

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Speaker 7: guys go on there and see the current roster and myself,

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Speaker 7: as I think there's eleven others that are part of it.

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Speaker 7: And if you guys want to donate, just click on

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Speaker 7: my name on the roster and you guys can donate

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Speaker 7: a really good cause. They've had a big impact for

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Speaker 7: a lot of years and I'm excited to be on

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Speaker 7: the ground with them.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome.

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Speaker 4: That's really cool. Well, good luck, let us know how

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Speaker 4: it goes. Please come back in three weeks alive, please

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Speaker 4: and good to go.

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Speaker 2: That would be great. All right, that'll do it for

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Speaker 2: us here on Talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: We'll be back next Tuesday with Nick and John Machoda

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Speaker 4: on the show for Isaiah stand back, Nick Harris, Chris

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Speaker 4: Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yoman saying so long

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Speaker 4: from Talking Cowboys. We'll see you next week.

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