1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Squad was my best friend, Like I saw something in 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: her and I wanted to share the stage with all 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: of them, but especially her. 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: Stay tuned. We'll get into my conversation with Mariah huck 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: right after these quick ads. Welcome to Reality with the King. 6 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: one of the most sought after executive producers in reality television. 8 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: With over ten years a production experience, I've executive produced 9 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: top rated programs such as eight seasons of the Real 10 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: House Spots of Atlanta. Additionally, I have created shows such 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: as Netflix Is Styling, Hollywood Owns number one rated Love 12 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: and Marriage Franchise, and TV ones Hollywood Divas, just to 13 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: name a few. So y'all know I have many jobs, child, Okay, 14 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 2: just saying. New episodes of Reality with the King will 15 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: air once a week on Wednesdays, will resume airing twice 16 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: a week in June. In the meantime, make sure you 17 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: catch my new late night talk show, The Night Capain 18 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 2: Carlos King on the Oprah Winfrey Network every Saturday night 19 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: starting May fourteenth, immediately following Love and Marriage, DC Wow, Hey, 20 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 2: Rain drops today's guest on Reality with the King, is 21 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: one of my really good judies. She also just happens 22 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: to be, in my opinion, one of the most underrated 23 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: reality TV stars. She's also an executive producer, creator, and 24 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: former cast member of Married to Medicine. Yes, that's right, 25 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: we got the one and the only, Mariah huck Let 26 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: me tell y'all why I wanted Mariah on the podcast 27 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: number one. She's my girl, she's my friend. I love her, 28 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: I adore her. But I also feel like she is 29 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: so misunderstood. And as you guys have seen with the 30 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: guests that I've had on thus far, I like to 31 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: talk to misunderstood women because look, I want you guys 32 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: to see the side of them that I know. Oftentimes 33 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: on television you see one side. And when it comes 34 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: to Mariah especially, she is a good girl. She is 35 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: a oh my gosh, she's hilarious, she's smart, she's a 36 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: hard worker, and I know how much she loved the 37 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: show she created. Yeah, that's right, she created Mary to Medicine. 38 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 2: We get down to the nitty gritty, y'all. We talk 39 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: about whether or not she was fired from Married to Medicine, 40 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: how she was asked to be a peach holder on 41 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 2: the Royal Hospitals of Atlanta, and last but LEAs we 42 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: talk about her healing and how she decided to choose 43 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: peace over pain. Get into this epic conversation with my girl, 44 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: be Mariyah Hawk Mariah, you are a legend, and I 45 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: don't use that word loosely. Your fans tweek me almost 46 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: every day. Can you create a show for Mariyah? Can 47 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 2: she be on Loving Marriage Atlanta? Do something for my girl? 48 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: So let the girls know. I'm Mariyah. How are you doing? 49 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: What have you been up to? 50 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: First of all, let me say thank you, and I do. 51 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: I don't take it likely. I'm very humble. While I 52 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: am humble by to me, I haven't made the type 53 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: of history that I know that I can do and 54 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: that I know you are already doing. So I've been 55 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: planning on being more of a legend. I really do. 56 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: This is just the beginning. So you know, I took 57 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: a I've been I just took like a sabbatical four minute. 58 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: You know, I had who I was dealing with so 59 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: much tying up loose ends with the show and everything. 60 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: So now I just I've really been working on me 61 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: and family, like my kid Laurence graduating this year. I'm 62 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: opening up a new shared co work space with the 63 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: building I bought a few years ago. I have a 64 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: media space coming over six thousand square feet and downtown mcdonna. 65 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm working on scripted. I started as a writer, and 66 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm getting back to that, you know, and the thing 67 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: about this business that I love, or just about in general, 68 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: when you have talent, people can't take that away from you. 69 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: And so I just I'm really getting to what I 70 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: tried to do initially, which was tell a story that 71 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: was my I felt like was my story, and so 72 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: I feel like now I'm kind of getting back to that. 73 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: So I've been back writing and just really I mean 74 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: getting a coin. I mean, she gets you can't get 75 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: into the coin. She may not be posting, but I 76 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: think sometimes you have to go underwater, you really do. 77 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate the f I've had so much support. I've 78 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: had support from every which way. So I'm truly grateful 79 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: for that because that has kept me going. It really has. 80 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm with you with the lack of posting. 81 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: One thing I learned from Tyler Perry is he says, 82 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: sometimes God has to hide you. Yeah, sometimes you need 83 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: to be hidden so that you're able to cultivate the 84 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: things that you want to do that God wants you 85 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: to do, so that when you re emerge from isolation, 86 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: that's when you're ready to take on everything for you. 87 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 2: And I feel like that's exactly what you're talking about. 88 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: It is, you know. I mean, if Tyler says, we 89 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: definitely have to listen, but you know at some point 90 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: it's the truth. I am here for social media. I 91 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: just felt like for me, You're right, I had to 92 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: go under water and do what God has for me 93 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: to do. Every time I tried to go back to 94 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: social media, to be honest, something happened and it would 95 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: be like sit down, be still. So I knew he 96 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: was doing some things in my life and work on 97 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: something bigger and better. I just I needed to focus, 98 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: and I get I'm gonna leave it. Look, I get 99 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: caught off, I get off balanced. I have to have 100 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: tunnel vision, and the peripheral vision sometimes would throw me off, 101 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: so I have to stay focused, especially when I'm talking 102 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: about a coin. Yes, it's just different. It's different, and 103 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: you know you got to do bigger, do better, and 104 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: do it in a more explosive way. And I am 105 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: definitely about doing that. 106 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: Yes, well, listen, you are a maverick. Honey. Let me 107 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: let the audience know that I met Mariah for the 108 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 2: first time when I was producing The Real Housewives of 109 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 2: Atlanta and Carlos King wanted Mariah so badly to be 110 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: an Atlanta housewife. And I don't know if the girls 111 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: know this, but we takee scenes for Mariah to be 112 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: a peach holder. So Carlos King working on Atlanta Housewives, 113 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: I get a phone call. You know we're casting. We 114 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: found it woman, Mariah, can you shoot a few scenes 115 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: with her? Sure? Shot a few scenes with Mariah with 116 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: her beautiful sister Lake. And I call the executives and said, 117 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: she's a no brainerd like, she needs to be on 118 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: the show. And tell me if I'm wrong, Mariah. But 119 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: I believe the issue was we all wanted you, but 120 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: you didn't want us. 121 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: No, no, no, you know what. To be honest with you, 122 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: that was not the case. 123 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: You know what it was. 124 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be perfectly honest with you, and I really 125 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: did my inspiration. Let me be very clear, or people 126 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: like you, Princess and Nini, like what you guys had 127 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: done was so amazing So it wasn't that I didn't 128 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: want you, guys. It was at once I started, once 129 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: I embarked on my journey to do my own you know, 130 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: I felt like, you know what, I'm already close. Let 131 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: me just see this thing through. Even though initially there 132 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: would have been more money, more notoriety, more a better 133 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: reach infiltration. But once I started on my journey and 134 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: I set my own goals, I just felt like I 135 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: needed to see me into medicine through. My steps were 136 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: already ordered. 137 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah me, and let me let them know. So I'm 138 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: of course laughing when I say you don't want us, 139 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: and to me, that's a big compliment because as a 140 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: black person in this business, you have choices, and there's 141 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: freedom and choices. One of my favorite moments from King 142 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: Richard was when Venus Williams was offered two million dollars 143 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: if she signed with Nike before she played, and she 144 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: knew Venus knew her worth, and she said, I'll wait 145 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: this out because I want to be able to showcase 146 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: my skills because I know I can get more of 147 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: a bag. So Mariah turned down being on the show guys, 148 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: because she created her own show called Mariti medicine that 149 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: she was pitching. So Mariah always believed in herself, believed 150 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: in ownership, real house, reponsible Atlanta, especially at that time 151 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: because this was during season four Maria. It was the 152 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: biggest show at Atlanta and the world. 153 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: It was. 154 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 2: But Mariah knew as a black moman, as a content creator, 155 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: let me see this through something I created my way, 156 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: so let the girls know about that. 157 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: You know what, It was really hard. I'm not gonna 158 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: lie to you because when people are offering you a bag, 159 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: and what they do is they come back with more 160 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: money and more money and more money. 161 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 2: We wanted this, you know what. 162 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: And the money is so good. But you're right. You 163 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: said the key words. And I had the type of 164 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: parents that told me to know your worth. So it 165 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: started way beyond TV. I knew who I was before 166 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: I went to TV. I knew what I wanted to do. 167 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: It was really hard, though, because delayed gratification is always tough, 168 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: saying you know what, I'm gonna do this now, I'm 169 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: gonna put in the work. Now, I'm not gonna see 170 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: a dime of it. Because they were offering me much 171 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: more than I received initially as a creator, executive producer 172 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: and star or one of these stars of marriage to medicine. 173 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: I actually would have made more just initially being on 174 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: Real Housewives of VALANCEA. And it's really really important for 175 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: people to know, because you do have to give up 176 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: something and it's a lot of sacrifices you make. But 177 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: I did it because it was more. It wasn't just 178 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: about securing the bag. It was about securing the legacy. 179 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: I have two amazing children, you know now, they're like, 180 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: one is this graduating senior headed to college, the others 181 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: a tenth grade. And for me, it was about creating 182 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: a legacy and something that they can own and something 183 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: they can have that we can pass down. So even 184 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: though I knew that Real Housewives of Valanca would have 185 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: been amazing for me, my career would have gave me 186 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: a reach beyond. I knew that creating my own was 187 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: a step in the direction that God wanted me to go. 188 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: So it was ourd and I pitched. They told me 189 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: no initially when I pitched the show. 190 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: Yes, so let us know the story. Explain to us 191 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: how you started from creating the show to pitch it 192 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: to being on the air. Give us that quick and. 193 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: They initially came to me for Housewives Atlanta season three, 194 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: the season they was casting Cynthia initially, and Aiden was 195 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: like giving me pushback, which I was shocked, you know. 196 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, how you And because you know, 197 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: this is still unscripted TV, it was a little different, 198 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: and initially, you know, different careers looked kind of turned 199 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: their nose down at unscripted. I'm just keeping it real 200 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: and it hadn't and it wasn't in Atlanta. It was 201 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: still it was kind of still new in Atlanta. So 202 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: to make a long story show. He was like, you 203 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: know what, I once you get back to what you 204 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: what you love doing. I know you love TV, but 205 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: this isn't right for us. I'm like, this is perfect 206 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: for us. And then he was like, well, just tell 207 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: the story that you've been telling, which is the truth. 208 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: It was like living, working and playing with the doctors 209 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: and everything. So I started doing my own I did 210 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: my own treatment. You know, I was pitching. I had 211 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: been pitching before then once I seen the show, but 212 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: I made it better once I saw Housewives and saw 213 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: it evolved, because you see the evolution of unscripted TV 214 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: like as it goes by, So I just kept pitching. 215 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: They told me no. They told me they would Initially, 216 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: when I went to Bravo, they said they will never 217 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: do No. When I went to the production company, they said, 218 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: Bravo will never do a show that competes with one 219 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: of the top shows on their network, which is Real 220 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: Houses of the Lansa. And I said, well, they have 221 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: a lot of shows that are competing with it. But 222 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: what I wanted them to say is what they end 223 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: up seeing. They would never do a black show to compete. 224 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: They already had a top black show. And that's the 225 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: truth out of Atlanta. That's the way they looked at it. 226 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: And so I just pretty much said, Okay, well if 227 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: they don't do it, somebody else will. It got better 228 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: and better, you know. I kept pitching to True Entertainment, 229 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: Lauren Esculen, everybody you know, and it got better and better, 230 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: and they eventually saw either we're going to work with them, 231 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: or they're gonna be a Helifi, you know, competitor. So 232 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: I pitched for years. I did for like three four years, 233 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: came up with the treatment. I did several I don't 234 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: know how many video just I pitched it made it 235 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: better and better and better, put my own money behind it, 236 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: just got with different production companies. I did, it got 237 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: picked up by TC Lifetime loved it and decided to 238 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: go with the production company I went with because they 239 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: had the relationship with Bravo and I knew the Bravo 240 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: could reach the households and the audience that I felt 241 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: like we needed to reach. So once I started getting 242 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: the offers from you know, Real Housewives Atlanta, to be honest, 243 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: that's when they to me. The tone change, you know, 244 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: it was almost kind of like, come here, you know, 245 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: do this instead of doing that. And so that's what 246 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: kind of you know, the more money. I love, y'all, 247 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: and I wanted to be on there, but I just 248 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: felt like I needed to stick with my own things. 249 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more of my conversation with Mariah huck 250 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this quick break. This is 251 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: Reality Team with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's 252 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: get back into my conversation with Mariah. What was it 253 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: like when you realize Married to Medicine, a show you created, 254 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: was a hit. But when we look at the credits, 255 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: I don't see executive producer under Mariah's name. 256 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: You know what? It hit me a little different the 257 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: first season, you know, is when I was only like 258 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: an associate producer on there. It hit me real different 259 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: because you have to think, you know, with my story, 260 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: the whole reason why my whole purpose was to see 261 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: my name and to create a legacy and to see 262 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: the credits meant everything to me. They really truly did, 263 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: because it's like a man loving you in the dark, 264 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: but you don't want to bring you out in public. 265 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: Like I had done everything, you know, I had created 266 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: the show, cast every one of the people on there, 267 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: So for me, I knew how hard I had worked. 268 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: It was really tough, and that's when I was like, 269 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: hold up, wait a minute, and then took a step back, 270 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: had to regroup and figure out the best way of 271 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: approaching it without burning bridges and taken away from what 272 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: I had worked to build, because I think sometimes people 273 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: do things to evoke emotion so that you cross yourself out. 274 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: So I took a step back. It was really hard though, 275 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: when I saw all the work I had put into it, 276 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: everything you know, and initially didn't seem because that meant 277 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: everything to me, and I think sometimes they people don't, 278 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: They minimize it and it comes so hard. As a minority, 279 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: nobody gives you anything, so like for me, it was 280 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: just a whole different level of disrespect, honestly, because I 281 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: felt like I had worked hard, and people love to say, well, 282 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: you didn't negotiate this, you No, it don't work like 283 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: this is a different type of industry. Corporations kind of 284 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: bully their way and do whatever they want to do. 285 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: So I feel like I had done everything right. To 286 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: be honest with you, We've always crossed our t's and 287 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: dotted our eyes had greatly, so I was really you know, 288 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: I was just it was a lot. It was a lot, nonetheless. 289 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: But the one thing I tell you I did right 290 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: it was being on the show, because initially I wasn't 291 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: going to be on the show. The first time I 292 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: shot Married to Medicine, I wasn't on it, and everybody said, well, 293 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: your doctor's wife, why wouldn't you be on it? But see, 294 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: I thought I would be biased, so I wasn't on it. 295 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: I can't imagine that show without you. How do you 296 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: feel when people say the show changed the moment you 297 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: felt that Quad was becoming the star of the show 298 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: and you underestimated her star power. 299 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: You know, I think that's probably one of the most 300 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: insulting things. You have to keep in mind. Quad was 301 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: my best friend, Like I saw something in her and 302 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to share the stage with all of them, 303 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: but especially her. I was able to share my dream 304 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: because that's what it was with each and every one 305 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: of those women. I wanted us all to build something together, 306 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: and I felt like we could together. So I think 307 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: that is probably one of the most hurtful things, to 308 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: be honest, because that was never it. They looked at 309 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: us like that. They didn't think it was enough room 310 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: for two stars. 311 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 2: When you say they, you mean the production company. 312 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe the production company. Maybe that was their opinion 313 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: and their narrative, but that was never the way I 314 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: looked at quiet for any of those ladies. I never did. 315 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: I didn't think we would take away from each other. 316 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: I honestly thought it would change every season, because it 317 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: does depending on what you're going through, you know what 318 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: I mean. Everybody is going to break out at some 319 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: point and be a breakout star or a breakout center 320 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: of attention, you know what I mean. It's just something. 321 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: But I just felt like it would be something that 322 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: would evolve and change, So I never thought that I 323 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: was going to be the star whole time. I just 324 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: didn't think that. That's why it's an ensemble cast. 325 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: So when people say that you treated the show like 326 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: it was yours and that these women worked for you 327 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 2: and that they were on your show, what do you 328 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: say to that. A lot of rumors were Mariah think 329 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 2: it's her show. She says, it's her show, we work 330 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: for her. 331 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: I never treated them like that, you know what. I 332 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 1: didn't feel that i'd done that. I felt like I 333 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: always shared it. I think if I had to do 334 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: it all over, I've learned a lot of things, but 335 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: the one thing I did well was calling myself to 336 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: Queen Bee. It was never about those ladies. Those were 337 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: not my counterpart. And that's the thing that people don't get. 338 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: The first season, like you said, my name was not 339 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: in writing as creator or executive producer. So I was 340 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: sending a message and people start asking the right questions. 341 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: It's only so much you can say it was never 342 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: about the women, that they worked for me, but this 343 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: is my shit. This is I mean, just keeping it real, 344 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: like you created something big and I saw what was happening. 345 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: Had I not said that, I would not have been 346 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: on season two or season three on my own show. 347 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: It changed the narrative change once people realized, oh, hold 348 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: on a minute, this is her practice. 349 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 2: When did you start getting your just due as the 350 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: executive producer on the show? In terms of the credit, 351 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: what season was that? 352 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: Season two? I was co EP, and then season three 353 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: I was creator executive producer, And for the lifetime of 354 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: the franchise, she's always executive producer on all the shows. 355 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: So it's been a fight, but hey, you know it's 356 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: God is good. What God has for you is for you. 357 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: Season three, I was only COEP. I didn't get my 358 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: created by credits until season four. 359 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: Did your executive producer credit change the dynamic that you 360 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: have with the cast because they saw it. 361 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: I want to say it didn't, but it did in 362 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: the sense of it created more division, like even though 363 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: they knew, they knew from the beginning how hard I 364 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: work like I did cast and calls. I think once 365 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: it was acknowledged by the production company the network, it 366 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: was almost like they saw me as the enemy, like 367 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: she's one of them, when I always we were the same. 368 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: This was our story, this was my story, their story 369 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: I was telling. So yes, it changed but not in 370 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: the way I had thought like I have been. You know, 371 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 1: they knew the truth the whole time, but it was 372 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: kind of almost like it created more separation or I 373 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: don't know it was. It was weird. So I do 374 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: think it changed it, but not in the way that 375 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: I probably had hope. 376 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: Did it change your relationship with the producers? 377 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: Yes, but I didn't see it then. Their intentions were 378 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: always the same from day one. I just didn't know it. 379 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: I didn't know it, and so yes it did. I 380 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: think they always looked at me a certain way, but 381 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: it's like what you say, you know what, They don't 382 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: have to think it's smarter or they don't. They may 383 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: not see you coming, may be the sleeper, but they 384 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: knew then that me telling my story was going to 385 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: be powerful. Probably didn't bank on it going the way 386 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: it did, but it wentn't. I think what God has 387 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: for yous for you, I stand by that. I really 388 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: truly do and mean it. I'm a true testament of that. 389 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: Were you phased out of your own show? 390 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I didn't see it, And it's like, but the 391 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: reason why I'm not mad or bitter about it is 392 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: because I still feel like I came out on top. 393 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: God had my back the whole time, and I felt 394 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: like it was people don't get I lasted eight season. 395 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: They was trying to do this shit to season one. 396 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: I just didn't. I mean, at the end of cy 397 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: like they pull you up to bring you down. I 398 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: didn't realize that season two they didn't bank on me 399 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: coming back. 400 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: They didn't. 401 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: Not at all. I don't know what they thought. She 402 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: was gonna go hide under a rock, but they really 403 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: didn't know. Yeah, they didn't. And I learned that later 404 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: on hindsight is always twenty twenty. 405 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 2: It makes me so sad because for a woman to 406 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 2: create a show, cast the show, star on the show, 407 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 2: and then to see how you were allegedly phase out 408 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 2: of your own show because we the viewers saw like 409 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 2: why Mariah doesn't have that many scenes this season, or 410 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 2: why doesn't Mariah have any interviews. It was this weird 411 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 2: thing that was going on. And then now we don't 412 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 2: see you on the show at all. So were you 413 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 2: fired from your own show? 414 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: No, my contract ran out. I had a producer contract 415 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: and I had a cast contract. I focused so much 416 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: on the producer side that the cast side I felt 417 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: like would kind of work itself out, I'm and be honest, 418 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: I did. I cared more about the ownership and the 419 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: producer side of it or whatever, because I felt like it, 420 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: you know, I felt like the audience was to who 421 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: they wanted on there. And I think that's why I 422 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: lasted so long, is that people, you know, they didn't 423 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: bank on me having an audience and people to actually 424 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: want to see me. So yes, I do feel like 425 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: they somewhat well. They did phased me out or didn't 426 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: want me the or didn't renew my contract, but I 427 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: think that it was for the best because I think 428 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: being on the show almost took away from it being 429 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: a I never thought that. I thought. I think, as 430 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: a woman, the minority woman, I should be able to 431 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: wear multiple hats. But they almost people put you in 432 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: silos and want you to choose. I mean, you don't 433 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: see what I don't see it what the guy producers, 434 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: But with the women, I feel like we have to choose, 435 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: which role do you want? And that's kind of how 436 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: I felt with being a creator EP, and especially when 437 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: it became a franchise. It just it was like, hold 438 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: on a minute. People don't want you to have too 439 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: much power. You know, or influence you know. And I 440 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: think that's what a lot of it was. 441 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: That makes me sad to hear, because, you know, listen, 442 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: as a black man in this business, I'm all about representation, 443 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 2: and I know firsthand how hard you work to get 444 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 2: that show on the air and what you don't know. 445 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 2: And I never shared this with anybody, not even you. 446 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 2: I remember being like, well, damn bitch, can you pitch 447 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: me Marit to Medicine. I remember when I first heard 448 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 2: through our friend just saying that, yeah, Mariah sold the 449 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 2: show about doctor wives and wives of doctors. I was like, 450 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: damn bitch, that's something I would have done, Like it 451 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 2: was such a genius idea. And I remember being like, 452 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I would have love to work on 453 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: that show. People ask me all the time, like Carlos King, 454 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 2: if you could produce any show on the world besides 455 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: the ones you've done, what would it be? And I 456 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: will always say The Braxtons and Married to Medicine because 457 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 2: those two are my favorite shows of all time that 458 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 2: I did not produce. Married to Medicine is so underrated. Still, 459 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: do you always feel like that show was in the 460 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 2: shadows of Atlanta Housewives. 461 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it will always be the Stepchat of Bravo, and 462 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: I knew that. I saw that, and I get it 463 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: because it is is what kind of what they said. 464 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: They never really wanted it to compete, and I think that, honestly, 465 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: there's no competition because Housewives of Atlanta just really came through. 466 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: I mean they came through like a wrecking ball, and 467 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: it's amazing. They open up the doors. So there could 468 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: be a merrit To Medicine. 469 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 2: Amen. 470 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: But absolutely it will always be in the shadows on 471 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: the network on Bravo, I think so. But I think 472 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: that I think the Merit To Medicine has rightfully on 473 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: its own proven it's placed that it deserves to be 474 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: on TV, and that is it can stand on its own, 475 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: you know. So I think that's the good part. But 476 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: it will always be in the shadows. 477 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I remember talking to Doctor Heavenly. I told 478 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: Doctor Heavenly, Merit To Medicine is a fantastic show because 479 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 2: all of you guys work well together on that show. 480 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: It's a true ensemble. And what I don't want y'all 481 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: to do is to remove anybody from the show because 482 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 2: it'll mess things up. And I said I know there's 483 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: some issues with Mariah because I hear things I said. 484 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, Mariah is married to medicine. 485 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: Quad is merit to medicine. Like I'm going to give 486 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: put people their props. I said to her, whatever you do, 487 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 2: if y'all remove Mariah from that show, is not going 488 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 2: to be the same. And I'm going to go on 489 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 2: record saying this, it hasn't been the same to me. 490 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: You're missed on that show and that show needs you. 491 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: Well, that's because you have a I think you have 492 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: an honest eye, and I think at the end of 493 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: the day, when you love something, you want to see 494 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: it work and see it last, and you take your 495 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: personal feelings out of it. Initially, you have to think 496 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: first season, Heavenly was not cast on the show. I 497 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: went too back. I said, listen, we're putting her on. 498 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: She has to be on season two. But I knew 499 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: that she would be a wild card, and I knew 500 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: she had something to bring to the show. And so 501 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: you have to still stand your ground and say what's 502 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: good at the end of the day, what's going to 503 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: be good for the show. So it's good that you 504 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: were able to see that I felt like that. I 505 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: felt like if it would have made sense for me 506 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: to go off or I had they so trying to. 507 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,479 Speaker 1: I wasn't having fall outs with all, it just was nothing. 508 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: Everybody had fallouts when you're in a group, you know, 509 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: it's ensemble, it's a group of women. So I think 510 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: that that's when things get scary, is when it's not 511 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: for the good of the show, when you're no longer 512 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: thinking about the show. And I felt like with me 513 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: doing with me not being on there, I didn't want 514 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: to be in a place that I didn't I wasn't 515 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: wanting I want to be where I'm love and supported, 516 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't want to be in a place 517 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: where I'm tolerated. If it in my position caused that 518 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: much conflict, then it probably wasn't a good fit anymore, 519 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: because it's not fun anymore. Like I like to be real, fun, funny, 520 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: have a good time, turn up. I don't want to 521 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: always have to show up just knowing it's about to 522 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: come against it. I don't want to always have to feel, 523 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, like you're going to go in and be defensive. 524 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: Because season six was the best season. 525 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: Ooh waitmen? Which season Season six. 526 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 2: Season six was about doctor Jackie's man stepping out right. 527 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 2: We saw the shots of him at the air with somebody. 528 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: It was the destruction of Greg and Quad. 529 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: That was the season I hated the most, really hated it. 530 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: I felt, you know, why tell me because the reason 531 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: why I created this show, even though we have problems 532 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 1: in our marriages, I did not want to show the 533 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: demise of the marriages. At one time I thought it 534 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: was too much. Season six for me, was too heavy 535 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: and got a little dark. 536 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,479 Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna save this to you. As a viewer 537 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 2: and a fan of the show, I thought it was 538 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: so real. It was it was. It was because the 539 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 2: thing about it was this The most beautiful moment in 540 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: the history of that show to me, was when all 541 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 2: of y'all rallied to Simone and said, save this marriage. 542 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: All of y'all said, this marriage can can be saved. 543 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 2: What Greg, what doctor g and Quad is going through 544 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: can't be saved, but we can save this because WHI 545 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: y'all going through ain't that deep. And I saw all 546 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: of you women rally for like to save that relationship, 547 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 2: and to me, what you created, Mariah is a show 548 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 2: that really details what it's like to be a career 549 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: woman who's married to a man that wants her at 550 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: home more. But it also showed how women who are 551 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: involved in the subculture of society, no matter what they 552 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: go through, they can support each other. And that's what 553 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 2: I missed about the show, honestly, and I said this publicly, 554 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: I miss you and Quad. Y'all were Ninnie and Kim, 555 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: Giselle and Robin. I missed. I missed that. I miss 556 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: y'all friendship. Do you miss her as much as I 557 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: miss y'all? 558 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: I think initially I probably did, but I think we 559 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: just grew up. I felt like I'm gonna be honest 560 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: with I feel like I remained the same I think 561 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: the TV and it just does something different to people. 562 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: So I don't now and that's not the same. I 563 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: wish her well, like I love pret like I love 564 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,719 Speaker 1: us as a duo, as a friend, as a producer. 565 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: I didn't think it made sense. They blew it out. 566 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 1: A lot of it just became I still was being careful, 567 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,479 Speaker 1: but what I said so, I initially I did, but 568 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: eventually I just thought that she had became, you know, 569 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: evolved into something else. 570 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 2: When you see Quad, now, is that the best friend 571 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: that you met over ten years ago. 572 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: I don't see her. We don't hang the same place, 573 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: we don't go, we don't do the same things. I mean, 574 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: I don't really see her, to be honest with you, 575 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: and that's no shade or anything. I just we don't. 576 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: On the show, I thought like, wow, I just never 577 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: because honestly, I really wanted us to do it. It 578 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: was always supposed to be a duo. It was always 579 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: meant to be a duo and for us to watch 580 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: each other's back because I knew it was a doggy 581 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: dog business. 582 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: Are you sad that when all of this was going 583 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: on on the show that these women who you gave 584 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,239 Speaker 2: a platform to, that some of them did not have 585 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 2: your back and support you. 586 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 1: No, no, no, Let me be honest. Is devastated. Initially, 587 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: I was devastated. I'm not a victim. I feel like 588 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm victorious. I think that it was part of my 589 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: test to be a part of my testimony. Though God 590 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: was doing something in my life, this was my vision. 591 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: Nobody can take that away. It put them in a 592 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: compromising position. Would I have done what they've done. Absolutely not. 593 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: I would have stood up for each and I can't 594 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: be bought, so anybody knows me. I'm big on integrity, 595 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: so yes, I expected at least one or two of 596 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: them to maybe do something different. But at the end 597 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: of the day, I'm not mad. I'm not bitter. I 598 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: was initially, but so many other things happened in the 599 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: world that I just couldn't even you know, I just 600 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: really couldn't even give it my energy. I felt like 601 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: what God has for me was for me, and I 602 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: think he wanted me to just rely on him and 603 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: have faith in him. I really do. I think it 604 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: was more about my story than them. I do. 605 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: You know what is so interesting? I am watching right 606 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: before my eyes a woman who has grown into who 607 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 2: she's meant to be. I appreciate your honesty in terms 608 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 2: of you recognizing that I was a woman who may 609 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 2: have been better or devastated or hurt. And sometimes when 610 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: we're like that, hurt people hurt others. Who you are 611 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 2: right now is you've done the work to let that 612 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 2: chapter of your life go. And I don't know if 613 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 2: I could have been as strong as you, because I 614 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 2: create shows for a living and I would be sad 615 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 2: if something happened to where I'm not on a show. 616 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: I create it. But I see this strength in you 617 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 2: that impresses me because you seem to just be in 618 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: a very different space. How did you get yourself out 619 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 2: of that? 620 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: Let me tell you, and I'm gonna be perfectly honest 621 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: with you. It was life. Initially I thought, like you, like, 622 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: how could this happen? I can't believe this. I did 623 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: everything right, I thought I did. Like, not that I 624 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: was perfect, because I made a lot of mistakes along 625 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: the way, but I thought from a professional standpoint, I 626 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: had covered my track. But what happened to me was life. 627 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: I got sick after that. I saw the world falling apart. 628 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: I seen black men, our sons, my husbands, you know, 629 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: people that looked like my father dying right in front 630 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: of my eye. Like I just saw that. It was 631 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: so much more, bigger, even than married to medicine. One 632 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: of the things that made it a little bit easier 633 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: for me is what we said earlier. It was knowing 634 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: my worth. And when I came into this business, my 635 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: life was exactly kind of like it is now, same car, 636 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: same house, Like it really truly was the same. So 637 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: I knew what I was meant to do. I knew 638 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: who I was. My friendships didn't really change with any 639 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: of those women. I was the same the entire time, 640 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: still is. I'm still the same, but other people changed. 641 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: I didn't. I'm the same person, grown, but I'm the same. 642 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: The stuff didn't, or the fame, but none of that 643 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: changed me. And to be honest, for me, the true 644 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: testament of my strength was not what I said, but 645 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: what I did not say. I wasn't gagged or anything 646 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: like that. I chose, you know, strength and silence and 647 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: you know, and I just chose to trust God and it. 648 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: So it's not that I was old, happygo jolly, you know. 649 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: It broke me down all the way down. I mean 650 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: it did physically. I lost like it was a lot. 651 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: It was a lot. I had health issues out. It 652 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: really broke me down. It was a lot. So just 653 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: being honest, like what you see today, what it was 654 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: just strength and I think just honestly growth and that evolution. 655 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 1: It just really truly was I just have so much more. 656 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: I know, it's so much more in store. It was 657 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: just a stepping stone. 658 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 2: I work with a lot of former reality stars who 659 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 2: have their own story, and I'm not here to debunk 660 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 2: anyone's story. That's I'll always tell people, I don't walk 661 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 2: in your shoes. So because I may have been around you, 662 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 2: I don't know your experience, just because we know each other, 663 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 2: I do not know what it feels like to be 664 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 2: a reality star on a big show. I don't know 665 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 2: what that feels like. So when people used to say 666 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: about you, like, oh my god, she's she's going to 667 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 2: like follow lawsuits and all this stuff, it never materialized. 668 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 2: Did you ever think about it or did you just 669 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 2: figure out I'm gonna do my thing the way it's 670 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 2: supposed to and let God handle the rest. 671 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: Certain things didn't materialize because it didn't have to. It 672 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: worked itself out, and I know, I know God worked 673 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: it out. But you know when they say they make 674 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: your enemy your food, when say make your enemy your 675 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: food store, they'll come to you. So things were tied 676 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: up and worked out in a beautiful way, you know. 677 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: It just it kind of happened like that. That was 678 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: a blessing, but it was still hard or whatever. So 679 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: I may not have physically fouled a lawsuit, but it's 680 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: not to say I wasn't on that track, be very 681 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: very clear, you know, And that's just being honest, because 682 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: you do have to do certain things in order to 683 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: garner the reaction you need, especially when you know you're 684 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: in the right position. But you know, it was tough, 685 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: but everything's side up, everything's good and it's no bad blood. 686 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 2: Do you still keep in touch with any of the 687 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 2: current cast members, Toya, I. 688 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: Haven't talked to anybody at all, just and I was 689 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: shocked about that initially, you know, I was you know, 690 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: I would talk and reach out, but I think with 691 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 1: a lot of things that were going on, to their defense, 692 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: I think it was a situation where it's kind of like, 693 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: don't talk, don't do you know, like this is going on, 694 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: like it was bigger. You know, it may not have 695 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: been lost, but it was still the legalities of everything. 696 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: So I think that that did complicate the relationships. That's 697 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: still their job, and I was respectful. I don't want 698 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: to put anybody in a situation. I didn't want anybody 699 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: to feel uncomfortable. 700 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 2: You know, we and I'm speaking for the reality fans, 701 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 2: we do miss you on TV, like we want you 702 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 2: back on television. Would you I've ever turned to reality TV? Sis. 703 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: The break I had was amazing and I needed it 704 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: I will never say never, but I just I don't 705 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: have the desire. I want to do something big. I 706 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: don't mind doing unscripted, but the unsemble scares me because, 707 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: and let me tell you why, because people do anything 708 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: on the way up and on the way down. So 709 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: when you I mean when you're comfortable, you need to 710 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: be just that. And I'm very comfortable. So it scares 711 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: me about what other people will do, you know, with it. 712 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: But I never say never, because you know who knows 713 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: the next ship. 714 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 2: I love Ariah. That was such a fun conversation with her, 715 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 2: but it was also very meaningful because look, that's a 716 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 2: black woman who created one of the most epic reality 717 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 2: shows in history. Marriti Medicine is such a good show. 718 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 2: And the fact that it happened because she decided to 719 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,399 Speaker 2: turn down being a p heach told her to live 720 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 2: out her destiny. I am so sad to see her 721 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 2: not be on the show anymore, but I have to 722 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 2: say I'm happy that she found the piece within herself. 723 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 2: And it is truly within my hope and heart of 724 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 2: hearts that she is able to find her way back 725 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 2: on television because I know what y'all thinking, get her 726 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 2: own loving marriage Atlanta. I really hope y'all enjoy that. 727 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 2: I love you, Mariah. If you're listening, we must do 728 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 2: it again. Girl thoughts opinions reads about my conversation with Mariah. 729 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 2: Email me at Reality with the King at stitri dot 730 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 2: com or leave me a voicemail at three one oh 731 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 2: five ninety three eight one eight eight. Thank you for 732 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 2: listening to Reality with the King, Share, comment, follow and 733 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 2: subscribe to Reality with the King. Wherever you get your podcast, 734 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 2: visit Reality with the King dot com and be sure 735 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 2: to follow me at the Carlos King Underscore on Instagram 736 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 2: and Twitter. Tweak me your thoughts and hot takes about 737 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 2: this episode using the hashtag Reality with the King. Reality 738 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 2: with the King is a production of More Sauce by Stitcher. 739 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 2: It is executive produced by Me, Carlos King, and Jasmine 740 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 2: Henley Brown. We are also produced by Sierra s Bradley Rix, 741 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 2: engineering and music by Marcus Ham More Sauce