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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the desition of big Fish Small

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Speaker 1: Pod four Thursday April eighteenth, twoenty twenty four. And if

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Speaker 1: you are new to the Small Pod, here we like

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Speaker 1: to give you all the information about the Marlons for

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Speaker 1: that particular day, all season long, in ten minutes or less,

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Speaker 1: and Marlon's fans. After covering the Marlins loss to the Giant.

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Speaker 1: This episode of the pod will be dedicated to Skip

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Speaker 1: Schumacher's post game comments as well as Trevor Rodgers. But first,

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Speaker 1: So let's start off with the postgame comments with Skip Schumacher.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's over sixty percent for strike not one three

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Speaker 2: ball count. I thought his velocity was really good, using

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Speaker 2: both sides the plate. I thought Johnny did really good

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Speaker 2: back there with him for his debut. I mean they

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Speaker 2: were working really well together. The conversations were great. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean he did enough for us to win today

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Speaker 2: another you know, back to back, you know, really good

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Speaker 2: outing for Trevor.

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Speaker 3: I know you didn't get a chance to see Trevor.

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Speaker 3: It's in last year, but how much have you seen

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Speaker 3: him grown in the.

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Speaker 4: Short amount of time that you have and and he

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Speaker 4: seems like a much more confidence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a he's a different pitcher than what I

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Speaker 2: remember when we were facing him. I mean he was

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Speaker 2: like ninety seven ninety eight to kind of a two

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Speaker 2: pitch guy. Now he's pitching and you know he has

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Speaker 2: more confidence in his other pitches, not just his fastball.

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Speaker 3: Right, he's lefties.

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Speaker 2: The split change has been excellent for him, and you

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Speaker 2: know the fastball command the sinker with the angle in

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Speaker 2: heater has been a really good combination for him to

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Speaker 2: keep guys off just the same or so, Yeah, really.

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Speaker 3: Impressed with him.

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Speaker 2: He's growing as a pitcher, and you know he lets

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Speaker 3: He's been he's been excellent this year.

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Speaker 4: Despite the last You're encouraged just by what the starters have.

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Speaker 3: Been able to do. Definitely, this was a really good

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Speaker 2: You know, started with Kaby, obviously excellent start by Ryan,

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Speaker 2: and then you know Trevor did.

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Speaker 3: Enough for us to win against a good lineup.

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Speaker 2: I mean that they had really good right left, splits

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Speaker 2: up and down the lineup. They're tough because you know

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Speaker 2: they flip out immediately when you bring in somebody else.

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Speaker 2: They have a really good right handed lineup for really

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Speaker 2: credit to mel and the pitching guys and the guys

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Speaker 2: following the game plans and the execution was was really

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Speaker 5: Just the importance of the starters building off that after

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Speaker 5: even after the series is trying to build act and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you hope that this would this would turn.

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Speaker 2: And the starting pitching has done that. I mean, they've done,

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Speaker 2: like I said, enough to to win. They've kept us

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Speaker 2: you know aj you know, hopefully he feels better tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: But you know, everyone has has really turned the corner

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, and given us a shot to win.

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Speaker 3: And that's all you can ask for.

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Speaker 2: You know, guys are going six innings striking out double

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Speaker 3: I mean he I mean, they've done an excellent job.

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Speaker 4: Is he talked about recently and spring of latis Della?

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Speaker 3: What makes him so successful when he is like this

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Speaker 2: I mean a guy today had a really good sinker

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Speaker 3: Bottom and beat it to the ground and third, he

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Speaker 2: Drive and and then an opposite field home run. I mean,

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Speaker 3: You see what he can do against righty's and lefties.

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Speaker 2: I'm having a tough time not putting him at the

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Speaker 3: Uh. He's done an excellent job so far this season.

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Speaker 4: You've mentioned him as Sanchi came in and they they

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Speaker 3: And one of the things he's mentioned how Della was

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Speaker 2: I mean it's it's he remembers his previous at bats,

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Speaker 3: The game planning is a big deal. That's like the separator.

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Speaker 3: And then at the big league level, it's not just talent.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's got talent up here, it's the separators, the work

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Speaker 3: Last year and then obviously continued this year.

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Speaker 2: We gotta get Sanchez going, definitely, you know, there was

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Speaker 3: So those are the two guys that I thought, would

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Speaker 2: The next step, and you're seeing signs of Sanchez definitely.

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Speaker 3: Early on the numbers didn't look right with the with Dla,

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Speaker 2: I said before, like the underlying numbers suggested that he

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Speaker 2: if he just keeps doing what he's doing, and you know,

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Speaker 2: this series shows what he's all about.

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Speaker 5: You didn't get the chance to ask you with Throst

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Speaker 5: sending story on down, what was your guys message to him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we we're gonna need him eventually this season. It

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Speaker 2: could the thing could be quick. The fastball command plus

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Speaker 2: the slider. The slider characteristics just have never gotten right

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Speaker 2: So just figuring out the slider, because that's what is

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Speaker 2: I also think it's a confidence thing. You know, once

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Speaker 2: know he, I know he can do it. Go down there,

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Speaker 2: you know, pitch a couple of scoreless, figure out the

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Speaker 3: There too long.

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Speaker 4: The Skierre noticing Jazz just kind of messing around that shoulder.

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Speaker 3: Is that is that shoulder? So balling him from he

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Speaker 2: I mean maybe at times with swings, but there hasn't

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Speaker 2: but you know he's been you know, taking VP every day.

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Speaker 2: He was out there just like everybody else, taking ground

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Speaker 3: Whatever it was.

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Speaker 2: So he's, uh, yeah, he's the guy's working. That's the

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Speaker 2: was out there taking ground balls, working at like ten

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Speaker 3: Coaches are scrambling trying to get this thing right.

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Speaker 2: And that's what's it's difficult because these guys, you know,

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Speaker 2: just we're not We're not seeing the wins. And that's

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Speaker 1: Now, let's hear from the starting pitcher, Trevor Rodgers.

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Speaker 6: I think a pretty uh really got like a solid

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Speaker 6: game play, like a couple off between innings. Really just

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Speaker 6: having that dialog, Hey, what do you wanna do here?

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Speaker 6: And I think, uh, really just having all four quadrants

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Speaker 6: and I talked after the game and he says, I,

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Speaker 3: My smile out there.

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Speaker 6: So it's something I've been something I've been working for,

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Speaker 4: Can you go into a little bit more about what

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Speaker 4: that means to you personally? You just trying to pull

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was. It meant a lot.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: That's something that I've always wanted to be is I

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Speaker 6: to learn the hard way of you know, constantly trying

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Speaker 6: hard way. And Okay, there's more ways to get outs

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Speaker 3: Obviously, I'm not taking anything.

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Speaker 6: Away from be love be thet plays anywhere you go.

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Speaker 6: But if you can find multiple ways of getting outs

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Speaker 3: It's it's huge.

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Speaker 6: And I think I'm finally trying to take that next step.

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Speaker 4: And uh, you say some things, How were you get

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Speaker 6: I think this was the first time we actually talked

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Speaker 3: And just really, uh, once I saw.

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Speaker 6: That he was willing to have that that dialogue in

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Speaker 3: And I wanted him to do well.

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Speaker 6: I think that kind of kind of as it's push

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Speaker 5: A back to the common from now when And you

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Speaker 3: What was what was there work?

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Speaker 5: Some of the biggest challenges you had to go through

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Speaker 5: with I'll gratify you is to start seeing the other side.

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Speaker 3: It's a good question.

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Speaker 6: I think, not not chasing be love and like looking

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Speaker 6: not I'm not ninety six, so I'm not ninety seven.

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Speaker 6: How am I gonna get out some kind of snowball

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Speaker 6: from there? I think being ninety two ninety four, I mean,

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Speaker 6: it's still hard to hit. Margin prayer is a little smaller,

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Speaker 6: but it's still hard to hit. And I think really

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Speaker 6: Slider is getting better and eat them every day and

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Speaker 3: Do with this.

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Speaker 4: So you mentioned so when you lay fastball, change up,

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Speaker 4: w where are you in terms of your arsenal now

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Speaker 4: and your usage.

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Speaker 3: And how you wanna use the missing for it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think. I mean fastball is always gonna play.

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Speaker 6: That's always gonna make my bread and butter and pitch

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Speaker 6: off that. And I think my my two seam has

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Speaker 6: really opened up my fast be even more protecting it

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Speaker 6: and might change up as well. I think if I

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Speaker 6: can just compliment the four things of the top two

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Speaker 6: down below and mixing in some change ups and then

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Speaker 6: sliders if if if I'm feeling it, uh, just see

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Speaker 6: the rotations.

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Speaker 5: Here's Cabby six and Eies pank Cave bought there's six

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Speaker 5: and East pank Cave.

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Speaker 3: You went out the way from six and just.

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Speaker 5: Seeing the rotation started, the find each group. Just the

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Speaker 5: importance of that for this team as you guys try

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Speaker 5: to get.

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Speaker 3: Out of this hole from the start of the season. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's huge trust.

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Speaker 6: I think every single guy on his staff and in

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Speaker 6: this rotation knows how important it is to go do

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Speaker 6: a good of all games. And we're all competitive guys.

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Speaker 6: We all want to get the ball and go seven, eight,

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Speaker 6: nine innings. Of course nine innings is a goal. But

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Speaker 6: if we get into six, seven, eight innings consistently and

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Speaker 6: we give our both things a little breather, I mean,

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Speaker 6: we're doing a really good to offer with the ball

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Speaker 6: really well right now.

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Speaker 1: That'll do it for this episode of Big Fish, Small

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Speaker 1: Punk