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Speaker 1: On this episode, we have our friend David Harsanyi joining.

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Speaker 1: David is a senior editor at The Federalist. David, thanks

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Speaker 1: for being here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my pleasure. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Just I want to do your your thoughts on what

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Speaker 1: we've seen so far from the American media as it

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Speaker 1: relates to the Israel Hamas war. I mean, the New

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Speaker 1: York Times obviously ran with that Hamas propaganda story about

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Speaker 1: five hundred killed that was totally false. Have they started

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Speaker 1: to pull back a little bit on the you know,

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Speaker 1: pro Palestinian pro Hamas stuff. What do you see happening?

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Speaker 3: I think they've pulled back in a sense, in the

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Speaker 3: sense of not being so obvious about it, but I

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Speaker 3: think subtly, you know, it's worse right God, Gaza Ministry

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Speaker 3: of Health is constantly being quoted. Their numbers are constantly

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Speaker 3: they'll they'll preface it by saying that they're you know

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Speaker 3: that this is the Gaza side of things. But they

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Speaker 3: don't explain that this is the Hamas side of things.

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Speaker 3: You know that they that they Thatjmasque couldn't possibly know

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Speaker 3: how many people died, you know, within a few you know,

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Speaker 3: minutes of a bomb exploding. But more than that, it's

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Speaker 3: just the usual editorial paid stuff that I think is

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Speaker 3: on these staffs. It's very clear justifying murder, justifying and

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Speaker 3: hiding basically, and this happens in news stories as well,

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Speaker 3: hiding what these protesters are really about. How they have

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Speaker 3: genocidal slogans, you know, how they are anti Semitic, not

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Speaker 3: anti Israel, not critics of Israel and not critics of Palestine,

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Speaker 3: pro Hamas, and uh, you know, it's pretty much radicalized

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Speaker 3: me to to where I just hope they all go

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Speaker 3: out of business. I mean, I don't think there's any

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Speaker 3: saving this industry. They side with the most you know,

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Speaker 3: evil people. They you know, set them on the same

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Speaker 3: moral plane as people who defend their citizens. I don't

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Speaker 3: think there's any anything worth saving when you have people

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Speaker 1: And in terms of the demands for cease fire, how

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Speaker 1: do you assess, like what one thing that I'm always

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Speaker 1: curious about is how long would that cease fire, even

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Speaker 1: if it were agreed to? How long would that last?

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Speaker 1: And what's the difference between demanding an indefinite ceasefire after

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Speaker 1: a massive terror sneak attack and saying they don't actually

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Speaker 1: where I start to wonder if people are being honest

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Speaker 2: Now, I think that's right.

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Speaker 3: Ceasefire means Hamas will get off, get away with it again,

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Speaker 3: and exist after this. I don't think any normal country

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Speaker 3: any moral any country and country that had an attack

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Speaker 3: like this would have a moral imperative to destroy the

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Speaker 3: people who did it. You know, you know the Twin

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Speaker 3: things wrong after that, But the American people would never

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Speaker 3: have stood for a government that said, now we're not

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Speaker 3: going to go after al Qaeda, Let's have a ceasefire now.

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Speaker 3: I mean that is insane. And the Israeli government is

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Speaker 3: an elected government. It now has a unity government left

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Speaker 3: and right, and they want to dismantle this terror state

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Speaker 3: that's right on their border, and every civilian who dies there.

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Speaker 3: It's a tragedy, but that tragedy is caused by Hamas,

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Speaker 3: initially because they were put into power by these people,

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Speaker 3: the way of danger. And Israel does the best it

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Speaker 3: no civilian can die. People don't know what proportionality means.

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Speaker 3: If we had a proportional fight here, Israel would go

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Speaker 2: But they don't.

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Speaker 3: They're trying to dismantle the people who attack them, completely

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Speaker 1: What do you think the end state should be here

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't think there's any really good victory here.

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Speaker 3: It's an intractable problem caused by mistakes of the past.

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Speaker 3: I think that the Israelis have made and obviously that

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's going to be any good victory. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: the Jordanians and the Egyptians don't want to help. They,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not sure it can be fixed. I think

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Speaker 1: and many more. There seems to be a little problem

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Speaker 1: Pelosi and Schumer. They're in general supportive of Israel, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they still say, like, don't do war crimes,

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Speaker 1: and we're worried about Islamophobia, like they they hedge a

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Speaker 1: then you have you know, the Rashida Talib wing and

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Speaker 1: that play out? Now? I mean, You've got a Democrat

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Speaker 1: there could be some people that get primary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think they're in a tough spot. Biden,

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Speaker 3: you know, he says all the right things, and he

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Speaker 3: It's not a fault for what happened, but it's part

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Speaker 3: people who pass the Iran Deal push the Iran Deal.

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Speaker 3: And then on the other hand, so that makes like

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Speaker 3: I mean, his rhetoric makes them angry, but his actions

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Speaker 3: think this is a disaster for him. I think the party,

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Speaker 3: when you look at it and divide it by age

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Speaker 2: It's very clear what the trajectory is. To me.

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Speaker 3: I see it on college campuses. I see, you know

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Speaker 3: what is it the law of you out there basically

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Speaker 3: physically trying to intimidate Jewish kids. I see where that's

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Speaker 3: all headed. I'm not you know, you don't have to

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Speaker 3: of the Democratic Party, not not the old line people.

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Speaker 3: being a little bit dramatic about it, but I see

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Speaker 2: That head towards some kind of violence.

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Speaker 3: To me, Like, you know, I feel there's a threatening

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Speaker 2: If you're Jewish, I think you feel it.

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Speaker 3: But if even if you're not, you should there's a

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Speaker 3: that's not exactly what you asked me, but you know,

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Speaker 1: Now, how much of Israel Palestine or Israel Hamas you

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Speaker 3: Now you nailed it, that's how they see it, which

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Speaker 3: is so idiotic. I can't even explain to anyone who's

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Speaker 3: not there's a color like half the country. There are

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Speaker 3: It's you know, it's not about color, but it is

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Speaker 3: so I think you're right. So when we see people

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Speaker 3: See what happens. They don't get it. It's they're an ally.

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Speaker 3: They have the same enemies Western civilization, America, Israel, the

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like they don't want to live together.

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Speaker 3: the decolonization stuff, it's all going to lead to anti

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Speaker 3: and these people have just picked it up Angela Davis

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Speaker 2: Over at the.

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Speaker 3: Federalist, I just wrote a piece on jacklu who is

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Speaker 1: Why they pick him.

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Speaker 2: He said it.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's and CNN I saw had a piece

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Speaker 1: David Arsan everybody look for his latest at the Federalist

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Speaker 1: dot com. David, my friend. I always appreciate you joining.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being here anytime. Thanks for having me