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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,
Speaker 1: and Nicki Spagnola. Okay, it's time for another vendition of
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Speaker 1: here at Tostito's Championship Plaza, and this is Mick Shots.
Speaker 1: And should I start with this? Here go? I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start with this. Here we go, lay it on my iPhone.
Speaker 1: Here you go. See if you can hear this structure?
Speaker 1: We gain that your time every day given the trend
Speaker 1: of art is that you take a look at being
Speaker 1: whether or not you tweeting, how you structure of the
Speaker 1: practice tweeting or that something that off the table. I
Speaker 1: just wanted it wasn't me, So there you go there.
Speaker 1: What better way to start off mix shots as mix
Speaker 1: shot ever ever said? I wonder who that was. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It sound like some little Italian guys like that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't fau sound it wasn't Fauci. I should throw
Speaker 1: myself under the bus. I wasn't in the room, so
Speaker 1: I called it yourself. I called it on the phone,
Speaker 1: and you're supposed to mute your phone until you have
Speaker 1: to ask a question, and I totally forgot to mute
Speaker 1: my phone. And I was talking to myself, like, are
Speaker 1: you serious? That's a question, which he does on every question,
Speaker 1: which I do, which I do during the game. If
Speaker 1: anybody mike me up in the press box, I talked.
Speaker 1: I got my headsets out and I talked to myself,
Speaker 1: you know, and I was just like, oh, and I
Speaker 1: heard everybody laughing in the room up in our office,
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, hell, they heard me. So so
Speaker 1: you didn't realize that. No, I didn't realize. I didn't
Speaker 1: hit the mute button. And then I hit the mute
Speaker 1: button after Yeah, it was a little bit late. That
Speaker 1: was closing that barn door. After all the horses are gone. No,
Speaker 1: are you listening the whole press conference? Yes? So you
Speaker 1: went twelve minutes without a reaction, Yes, yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you made you made it through about
Speaker 1: ten or twelve questions without a reaction. Just just be
Speaker 1: proud of me exactly that. There's just no telling what
Speaker 1: you might have said, yeah, my goodness, hot, Mike's you know,
Speaker 1: it was hilarious, and you know, and I think um
Speaker 1: coach McCarthy felt felt bad for Michael Gilkin, who asked
Speaker 1: the question. Welle, he wound up going like three minutes
Speaker 1: on the answer because and see what happened for for
Speaker 1: for Wow, what happened with McCarthy was yesterday, If you remember,
Speaker 1: Kelvin Watkins asked a question that was the most obvious,
Speaker 1: you know answer, you can get a young quarterback. He said, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you got a young quarterback, is it more difficult
Speaker 1: to game plan for a rookie quarterback than it is
Speaker 1: for dak or Andy Dalton? And and and he started
Speaker 1: laughing and he and he goes, I can't see underneath
Speaker 1: your mask. Was that supposed to be funny? So I'm
Speaker 1: sure he was pretty sensitive that. Oh no, I didn't
Speaker 1: do it again this time. You know, that was med. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had to say, look, that was not me. So
Speaker 1: I immediately text Scott A. Goulnick, the Cowboys assistant to
Speaker 1: the PR person, and I said, hey, tell Mike I apologize.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, And he goes, oh, no, need he thought
Speaker 1: it was funny. Did he know it was you right off? Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Everybody else, Yeah, everybody else he knew, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he knew. Even if he didn't recognize the voice, it
Speaker 1: was the action alone. Well, see, he doesn't know me
Speaker 1: that well. Probably had was around a little bit longer,
Speaker 1: or if we had had more interaction with him, he
Speaker 1: would have called you out here. He was saying that
Speaker 1: sounds like yeah, he would. He would have said, didn't
Speaker 1: like that question. We We probably haven't talked face to
Speaker 1: face since the middle of January when he did that
Speaker 1: last press conference upstairs at the Star, because everything else
Speaker 1: has been virtual then, you know, And it dawned on
Speaker 1: me the other day and I think I told you
Speaker 1: guys this before. I said, We're gonna go through an
Speaker 1: entire season and I probably won't have met a third
Speaker 1: to almost half the guys on this roster because everything's over.
Speaker 1: You know, they don't see us. That means you can
Speaker 1: say anything you want to about it. That's right. You
Speaker 1: never see him like I had about Don Terry. You
Speaker 1: knew you were safe saying whatever you wanted to about
Speaker 1: Don Terry Pokers. You're never gonna see him. But you know,
Speaker 1: two people, two people are in trouble. Don Terry Poe
Speaker 1: is looking for spags and and it's the same oh
Speaker 1: the safety. Yeah, Worly is looking for me. Don't you
Speaker 1: know what he's looking for me? Jerry Jones doubled down
Speaker 1: on what I've said in an interview with Chris Morton
Speaker 1: Chris Mortenson's Last Night. He basically said he was overweight
Speaker 1: and he wasn't doing it. Over See, I didn't know
Speaker 1: he was overweight. I knew he was that much. What's
Speaker 1: overweight if you're three fifty or three seventy's that's why
Speaker 1: you know. I thought that's what that was his weight.
Speaker 1: I thought that's how he felt comfortable. And I'll take
Speaker 1: this shot right now too, because I saw the question
Speaker 1: come up or someone trying to insinuate that they released
Speaker 1: him because Jerry was tired of him kneeling for the
Speaker 1: national anthem, And I'm going no, he was tired of
Speaker 1: kneeling on the field because he wasn't doing anything. I'll
Speaker 1: tell well, let me say it this way. It didn't
Speaker 1: help that he kneeled. I would dare say that it
Speaker 1: didn't help that he kneel. But if you're gonna kneel,
Speaker 1: you better ball that's all I gotta say. That's that's
Speaker 1: the difference between when you protest and how acceptable it is.
Speaker 1: If you a baller, then people are gonna pay attention.
Speaker 1: Muhammad alive. If he wasn't Muhammad al lea, no one
Speaker 1: would care that he didn't go to the Vietnam War.
Speaker 1: Let's just think about it, and we can go back
Speaker 1: to what you were pointing out yesterday about Kurvin Richards.
Speaker 1: If that was Emmatt Smith that fumbled, Oh okay, no problem,
Speaker 1: we go forward, right Kurvin Richard here, You're not going
Speaker 1: to be here next year. You're out. It's like what
Speaker 1: Jimmy used to say. Everyone made a big deal about
Speaker 1: John Roper falling asleep and and team meetings and cut
Speaker 1: him falling us, and Jimmy would say, if it was
Speaker 1: Immet or Michael, he would go find a pillow for it.
Speaker 1: Which is funny because the other part of that story
Speaker 1: is when the meeting was over and he was sleeping,
Speaker 1: a couple of the players and Nate would tell this story,
Speaker 1: We're going up to Roper to wake him up, and
Speaker 1: Jimmy was like, no, hell, let's let him sleep. Because
Speaker 1: he saw an opportunity to send a message, right, just
Speaker 1: what the doctor ordered. That's right, right, all right, we
Speaker 1: got more important things. I will say we talked about
Speaker 1: don Terry Poe. There can I point out with something also? Okay,
Speaker 1: here's something that no one is I haven't seen mentioned.
Speaker 1: So they they traded Everson Griffin, they cut Whirlie and Poe.
Speaker 1: That's three, right, Well, they got three guys that they
Speaker 1: needed to make room off it injured reserve because they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to bring on Shitebeauzier, Shawn Lee and Joe Looney.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll do it this week, but
Speaker 1: at some point. So they were gonna need to make
Speaker 1: room on the fifty three man roster for those guys.
Speaker 1: So they just made room. Yeah, basically, and two of
Speaker 1: the guys were basically deadweight and timing it's perfect, so
Speaker 1: that that was in their thinking. One of the guys
Speaker 1: was dead well well yeah, but but in their thinking
Speaker 1: was we don't want to give up. We don't want
Speaker 1: to give up on a bunch of young guys that
Speaker 1: we're trying to bring along. So who's expendable, and you know,
Speaker 1: Worley and Everson Griffin were on one year deals. Poe
Speaker 1: was on a two year deal, so that even accentuates
Speaker 1: how dissatisfied they were with his play because they had
Speaker 1: to eat three point five million of guaranteed money by
Speaker 1: letting them go, and that the tough play. Yes, that
Speaker 1: was the tough play. You can talk about talent all
Speaker 1: you want, but this is also a game about salary
Speaker 1: cap It's about economics, really, and when you start counting
Speaker 1: up those numbers, that's a tough three and a half
Speaker 1: to swaller. And I do special edition with Nate Newton
Speaker 1: and he's been on this for a month now about
Speaker 1: ho and see Nate knows what he's talking about, especially
Speaker 1: when it comes to losing weight. Yeah, and they will
Speaker 1: say that himself. And so I asked him today, I said,
Speaker 1: so because you noticed that coming into this season there
Speaker 1: were a number of offensive lineman types, big big body
Speaker 1: types who opted out this season, right, And part of
Speaker 1: that might have been due to the fact that bigger
Speaker 1: bodied people are more susceptible or as far as COVID goes,
Speaker 1: underline condition, but also without an office, I asked, So,
Speaker 1: I asked Nate, so, how difficult would it have been
Speaker 1: for you to go into a season without an off
Speaker 1: season program, because I just remember those scenes during OTAs
Speaker 1: or quarterback schools or whatever we called it back in
Speaker 1: where Nate. You know, they're running Nate to get him
Speaker 1: in shape to go to training camp. And he said, oh,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it that he would have not
Speaker 1: had it would not have been pretty at all himself
Speaker 1: in training camp because of the issues that he had
Speaker 1: just naturally losing weight and not being an a regimented
Speaker 1: program of doing it, you know, think about may your
Speaker 1: own personal trainers and stuff. But still and he had
Speaker 1: to do that by before he even came in for
Speaker 1: the conditioning, strength and conditioning. He would go he used
Speaker 1: to call it, I went to the fat farm right exactly,
Speaker 1: you know, and he would drop thirty pounds, forty pounds,
Speaker 1: and then he'd come in and I wish, you know,
Speaker 1: these things weren't here because we have a camera, I
Speaker 1: can get up. But when they did their their conditioning tests,
Speaker 1: so they used to have to run one tens, right,
Speaker 1: and each group had so many they had to run
Speaker 1: in a certain amount of time. Right. Well, Nate, Nate
Speaker 1: never finished him, but he we nicknamed it the Nate
Speaker 1: shuffle because his feet never came off Brown after about
Speaker 1: the first or second one. It wasn't running, it was
Speaker 1: shuffling feet and and God blessed Charles Haley. So when
Speaker 1: you couldn't finish them, then you owed Jimmy that many sprints,
Speaker 1: yes or whatever, And and Haley would go and run
Speaker 1: with Nate to kind of drag them along, to encourage them.
Speaker 1: And you can say all the stuff about Haley, but
Speaker 1: that was one of the things that a little bit
Speaker 1: of compassion, right, And don't let Charles Haley fool you. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: that's a great guy. He's a good dude. Let's just
Speaker 1: be real. The difference though, between what you're talking about
Speaker 1: with Nate back then and what's going on now. Back then,
Speaker 1: our off seasons we were truly off. You know, we
Speaker 1: didn't work out during the off season. I mean, I
Speaker 1: always stayed active just because that's me. But the big
Speaker 1: guys they would always rest over the entire off season
Speaker 1: and then they would come into training camp to get
Speaker 1: in shape. If you recall nowadays, it's different. They go
Speaker 1: year round, right, So it would be a bit easier
Speaker 1: for Nate, even with COVID. He would probably social distance
Speaker 1: himself with a trainer because that's it's not taboo now.
Speaker 1: It was taboo then. Big guys are not working out
Speaker 1: in the off season. I remember doing an interview with
Speaker 1: DD Lewis and at some point in the interview it
Speaker 1: came up, so a lot of these guys had jobs, right,
Speaker 1: And I said, what did you do in the off season?
Speaker 1: He goes, I sat in the pool and did twelve
Speaker 1: hours curls every day. And that's what it was about.
Speaker 1: No one's thinking, okay, we just of course, Cowboys were
Speaker 1: always in the playoffs back when I played, So it's
Speaker 1: no way we're gonna take the off season after January
Speaker 1: mid January and go work out more. That's not gonna happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did not. And the other thing he consider about
Speaker 1: done Terry Poe is that he had the same injury
Speaker 1: last football season that Gerald McCoy had training camp this year.
Speaker 1: He had a quad and had quad surgery, and so
Speaker 1: he was coming off that to begin with, and so
Speaker 1: the first half of his offseason he's rehabbing from that,
Speaker 1: and he's he's he's not he's not a whole he's
Speaker 1: not really active. And as far as shed and wait
Speaker 1: and getting getting in shape and so far, so when
Speaker 1: you're doing rehab. You're doing something. You're doing something, and
Speaker 1: if you're if you're smart and if you're professional, rehab
Speaker 1: can can can spring into a regiment, it can spring
Speaker 1: into structure. Yeah, that's the way he should have used it,
Speaker 1: instead of saying, Okay, it feels good, Now let me
Speaker 1: go back and lay that. Well, he already got his
Speaker 1: he got his contractor obviously yeah, obviously carrying all that
Speaker 1: money around should have helped it. Well, this will, this
Speaker 1: will provide opportunities for some of those other young guys. Uh,
Speaker 1: Neville Gallimore will get more, right, Yeah, so hood the
Speaker 1: inside guys with Justin Hamilton and Gallimore and now Tyron
Speaker 1: Crawfords Woods. So those guys should get more, uh more
Speaker 1: snaps because you know he was getting forty to forty
Speaker 1: five percent of the snaps um uh Poe was. So
Speaker 1: this will, this will put a little bit more pressure
Speaker 1: on these other young guys that okay, let's go, let's
Speaker 1: see what you can do. We're alwa looking at well,
Speaker 1: he's you know what, on the on the game book
Speaker 1: from last week, from last game, they had him starting
Speaker 1: it at defensive end. Crawford. Now, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that was accord. I got to go back and I
Speaker 1: got a deal. But it's but it's on the it's
Speaker 1: on this. It was on the on the plate. I
Speaker 1: charted it, looked at it and it had him starting.
Speaker 1: I still came from a long way. Yeah. It was
Speaker 1: a two hip surgery. Two hips only have two, right
Speaker 1: I have? I only have two? Yeah, but one of
Speaker 1: something that's amazing that he comes full circle. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I really felt for him in the offseason. You guys
Speaker 1: were talking about the stories and and the childs and
Speaker 1: Triple Laces has been through and for him to be
Speaker 1: able to to come to all of that and regardless
Speaker 1: of how this team is playing, for him to be
Speaker 1: a starter, Yeah, in the NFL, that's big time. And
Speaker 1: the guys that I had out there and maybe and
Speaker 1: maybe I didn't see it right, but the guys I
Speaker 1: saw out there to start the game were Lawrence and
Speaker 1: Alden Smith at the ends and Poe and Gallimore inside.
Speaker 1: See that's what I thought. And then I looked at
Speaker 1: the game book and it had him starting. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: that might have been one of those things where you
Speaker 1: turn your starters in before the game and then when
Speaker 1: you send the guys out in whatever situation. Having said that,
Speaker 1: having said that, and I need to go back and
Speaker 1: look at it, I guess I've got Washington. Washington was
Speaker 1: in twelve personnel. They had two tight ends on the field,
Speaker 1: which would mean that they would they would have another
Speaker 1: alignment in the game, and Jordan Lewis would not be
Speaker 1: out there. But I got Jordan Lewis marked his being
Speaker 1: down in there. Yeah, starting, but at any rate, Okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, is there a chance mid
Speaker 1: season that Mike Nolan could morph this into a three
Speaker 1: for scheme. I'm thinking because Poe was the key guy,
Speaker 1: uh in building a three four and then that's what
Speaker 1: when you're when you're signing Poe, you're thinking, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: going to be the nose tackle in a three four defense,
Speaker 1: and then it just that they didn't have the other
Speaker 1: parts to make it work. Well, I still don't have
Speaker 1: the other parts, and I've seen I've seen him transitioning
Speaker 1: more to a four four basically a four two nickel.
Speaker 1: And now with Sean Lee coming back, you've got a
Speaker 1: real strong side linebacker, right you don't have to masquerade
Speaker 1: with the defensive ends standing up as a strong side linebacker.
Speaker 1: So Uh, and that, and I've heard that that you know,
Speaker 1: when Lee gets back, you know, maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe Jalen Smith's the strong side linebacker and let Lee
Speaker 1: run to the ball and be more involved in the
Speaker 1: coverage that sometimes Jalen Smith struggles and that wasn't the
Speaker 1: case with the old coaching regime. But we don't know
Speaker 1: with Mike Nolan. Yeah right, you know, you're totally different.
Speaker 1: Because we didn't see Lee in training camp either, so
Speaker 1: we didn't have an opportunity to see how they were
Speaker 1: going to use them, right, which was going to be
Speaker 1: one of my questions for Mike McCarthy, But I thought
Speaker 1: maybe that was prying too deeply into teams secrets were
Speaker 1: also just go for it. No, Well, no telling what
Speaker 1: the reaction from the other reporters, your Iraduald Michael Gelkin.
Speaker 1: His response would have been, I'm not going to ask
Speaker 1: a question ever. All right, let's take a break and
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Speaker 1: anything of note, Mickey, that we need to know about
Speaker 1: besides the fact that the sun is peeking through the
Speaker 1: clouds here and it is warming up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Although we do appreciate the heaters that we have. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, you know, we can make the other
Speaker 1: shows mad at us that had to start like at
Speaker 1: nine thirty this morning. I'm thinking, I gotta take my
Speaker 1: jacket off. It's getting a little It's a great set
Speaker 1: up though. For real, we almost look like royalty. And
Speaker 1: it'd be great if you know, the weather was nicer,
Speaker 1: we probably would have had people out here and throwing
Speaker 1: the football around. And yep, we're overlooking the football field
Speaker 1: here at Tostito's Championship Plaza, and I'm distracted just by
Speaker 1: all the great the beautiful screen. Yeah, you get the
Speaker 1: big screen to look at it. And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: because I when I'm doing my live shots for CBS eleven,
Speaker 1: we're out here and there are Frisco youth football teams
Speaker 1: and cheerleading squads and so forth. Actually they come out
Speaker 1: here and they have practices out here. The other day,
Speaker 1: two days ago, when it was thirty nine degrees and
Speaker 1: raining out here, there was a youth football team dressed
Speaker 1: up as Dallas Cowboys out here, and they you know, coaches,
Speaker 1: you know, the Dad's game. They had these big old
Speaker 1: bags full of equipment and stuff and I was thinking,
Speaker 1: can you imagine what those moms were saying, you're gonna
Speaker 1: do what, You're gonna have practice in this weather. You
Speaker 1: know what, when we were kids growing up in the
Speaker 1: winter and in Chicago and the snow on the ground,
Speaker 1: and we live for those days to go out and
Speaker 1: play football in the snow. We thought it wasn't snowing
Speaker 1: though in the world. To go out there and then
Speaker 1: come home and you're muddy, and it's like, what have
Speaker 1: you been doing? Well, it's football season. Where if I
Speaker 1: was one of these kids, if I wouldn't want to come,
Speaker 1: But if they said we're dressing up as cowboys and
Speaker 1: we're come into this field, yeah I'd do that. That's true.
Speaker 1: And you know, brothers don't like rain and call well,
Speaker 1: speaking of dressing up, it was good to see Zach
Speaker 1: Martin out at practice these last two days, so he
Speaker 1: should be good to go. Uh. That gives a little
Speaker 1: bit of stability to that offensive line, and uh, maybe
Speaker 1: gives Ben Denucci a little bit of a chance because
Speaker 1: you know the Eagles they're calling cards still that front, right,
Speaker 1: the guys that they have there with Cox and Graham
Speaker 1: and Barnett. Uh, you know that that's still pretty stouting. So, uh,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are gonna need to give him as much
Speaker 1: production as possible. And I know everybody wants to say, well,
Speaker 1: they just need to run the ball. Well don't you
Speaker 1: think the Eagles are thinking the same thing. They're gonna
Speaker 1: load the box right nine fronts and then and then
Speaker 1: when it's time to throw the ball and you get
Speaker 1: him in passing down you know, you know Schwartz he
Speaker 1: does it anyway, He's coming after him. You know they're
Speaker 1: gonna be more blitzes. So a lot of this is
Speaker 1: gonna be that offensive line recognition of what's about to happen. Uh,
Speaker 1: And you know you can say, okay, benda, Nucci's got
Speaker 1: to get the ball out quick. But he's also needs
Speaker 1: probably an extra tick or two to figure things out
Speaker 1: where it needs to go because they're gonna come after him.
Speaker 1: So to me, having Zach Martin back, I think is huge.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about Looney. He may need a next
Speaker 1: week before he's ready to come back. And we'll see
Speaker 1: where that goes. With Sean's doing it, yes, no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And more importantly, Mike McCarthy likes it. I asked him
Speaker 1: about it the other day, and uh, he said he
Speaker 1: he did a good job against Washington, And a lot
Speaker 1: of that is the mental stuff too, and setting protections
Speaker 1: and stuff, especially for a young center, right exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Beyond and Martin up. I'm sorry, Martin, I
Speaker 1: think they'll do well together. You sometimes it's like if
Speaker 1: you break down the units, it's like, uh, you can
Speaker 1: only make a difference within a small unit. You know,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin wouldn't come back and make different between the
Speaker 1: entire football squad. If you just take that offensive line unit,
Speaker 1: he can make a difference along with the young man
Speaker 1: badass and if you don't mind me called, but with that,
Speaker 1: you're talking two decent players, more than decent players out
Speaker 1: of five, you understand, and they're nextgent. That helps, That helps,
Speaker 1: the rookie helps a little bit with the continuity, and
Speaker 1: then you can kind of bring the other guys along
Speaker 1: with you as far as the tackles are concerned. So
Speaker 1: that's that's not a bad deal for that unit to
Speaker 1: be showed up. Then that's something that we can concentrate
Speaker 1: on to say we can bank on that in the
Speaker 1: ball game. Because one of the things on Tyler Biadas
Speaker 1: I think is that he had some injury issues coming
Speaker 1: out of college, which I think dropped him a little
Speaker 1: bit in the draft, and I think it had he
Speaker 1: been fully healthy, I think he probably would have been
Speaker 1: more like a third round pick. Instead, he went late
Speaker 1: fourth in As a testament to that is the fact
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys traded up, Yes, gave up a pick
Speaker 1: this coming year in order to move up to take
Speaker 1: him lay and coming that on him, he heading into
Speaker 1: his senior year at wiscont or his last year at Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: he had offseason surgery too. So last two off seasons
Speaker 1: he's had surgeries. Uh. And I think, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: his play wasn't to thee it was the previous year,
Speaker 1: but he was still voted the Remington Award winner is
Speaker 1: the best center in the country. So yeah, getting him
Speaker 1: where they did, to me was a steal. And I
Speaker 1: always thought that had they had a regular off season
Speaker 1: and preseason, that he would have challenged for that starting job. Well.
Speaker 1: And and we were talking about this yesterday. Off the year, Mickey, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that it's so much a
Speaker 1: talent issue with the young guys on the offensive line.
Speaker 1: It's an experience issue. Yes, And as one of them both.
Speaker 1: It's okay, that'd be both. I mean, you gotta woke
Speaker 1: with what you got. And you know, Connor McGovern was
Speaker 1: a third round draft pick, got a Penn State, you know,
Speaker 1: big school and so forth. Well, the Cole Holcomb sack
Speaker 1: of Andy Dalton where he blitzed up the middle. You know,
Speaker 1: Beadest is taking the guy to his straight up on
Speaker 1: him and there's a there's a safety. Blitzing to the
Speaker 1: right side came a little bit before the linebacker. McGovern
Speaker 1: took the safety rather than the linebacker. Zeke was in
Speaker 1: position to take that safety, had McGovern taking the linebacker instead.
Speaker 1: As it was, Zeke got run over because he didn't
Speaker 1: have leverage. He wasn't in position to take the linebacker.
Speaker 1: Or there's little things like that, being able to figure
Speaker 1: out protections like that that comes with experience, and that's
Speaker 1: that one person can make a different exactly. And that's
Speaker 1: where Jack del Rio last week, he's bringing everybody at
Speaker 1: the young quarter in that case, it was Dalton, but
Speaker 1: against a young offensive line, and you can only imagine
Speaker 1: what Schwartz is going to do this. Yeah, absolutely, so,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's what they they they've got to
Speaker 1: be able to just give him an opportunity, give him
Speaker 1: a chance. Uh. And then the other thing that that
Speaker 1: that has to happen is the defense has to play better.
Speaker 1: You can't ask this guy to go out there and
Speaker 1: put thirty on the board, right, you know, get make
Speaker 1: it reasonable. How about say I got to score seventeen
Speaker 1: or twenty to win because you know, Philadelphia, they've struggled
Speaker 1: someone off ru I mean, the quarterback got as many
Speaker 1: touchdown passes as he has interceptions. It's ten to ten.
Speaker 1: He's been hit and knocked down more than any quarterback.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty eight sacks in seven games. I don't even
Speaker 1: understand that. So I don't know what that pace is.
Speaker 1: But it's around sixty. But if it's eight games, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and double it, it's it would be sixty for the season,
Speaker 1: and and and so and and he's dealing with wide
Speaker 1: receivers that are younger although they actually yeah, very good
Speaker 1: in math. But will the Cowboys I know, I know this,
Speaker 1: and this is what they need games they haven't played
Speaker 1: the Cowboys because that will be the average now, right,
Speaker 1: So so that that's the other point that I think
Speaker 1: is going to be very important, Uh, in this game.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm trying to debate whether we enter into
Speaker 1: another topic or you take a break and then come
Speaker 1: back with a longer Let's take a break. Yeah yeah,
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Speaker 1: here tomorrow because I've got a conflict, all right, So
Speaker 1: but so I want to find out from both of you,
Speaker 1: what do the Cowboys need to do to actually win
Speaker 1: this game on Saturday. I just gave you my two points.
Speaker 1: It's got to start with defense, right, it has to
Speaker 1: start with defense. It's no way this team is going
Speaker 1: to survive this season. You're gonna end up with who's
Speaker 1: the next quarterback? Again, Belle would he would, Oh, but
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush is on the way for next week. He
Speaker 1: will be on the practice will be eligible to actually practice,
Speaker 1: so he'll be on the practice fund. The emergency quarterback.
Speaker 1: He was mentioning, like belt now Cedric Wilson would be
Speaker 1: at We saw him throw a touchdown. A little bit
Speaker 1: more athletic, we could. We could turn to a Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson thing. That'd be nice. But but whatever we do,
Speaker 1: you've got to have a defense that can give you
Speaker 1: a chance, that can hold it down for your offense
Speaker 1: to get on track, because trust me that this is
Speaker 1: not gonna be smooth at all. Any game that we win,
Speaker 1: it's going to be ugly. Or maybe give him a
Speaker 1: short field so they don't have to go. I looked
Speaker 1: up the other day, so I didn't well, it didn't
Speaker 1: count last week because they didn't score a touchdown. They
Speaker 1: hadn't scored a touchdown on a drive less than sixty
Speaker 1: four yards. Still, I was still doing that. Yes, nothing
Speaker 1: less than last year. I'm not sure what last year was.
Speaker 1: And I think the only thing they had shorter than
Speaker 1: sixty four yards scoring was I think three field goals
Speaker 1: and that was it. So yeah, it's always a long
Speaker 1: field for for a time. I've done the research. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've done got he's got the answers to his question
Speaker 1: to us, right, all right, here you go. Cowboys have
Speaker 1: had seventy three offensive possessions this season. Okay, how many
Speaker 1: times have they started a drive on the plus side
Speaker 1: of their own thirty seven yard line. I'm gonna guess
Speaker 1: no more than three. I was gonna say one three times,
Speaker 1: oh three times? Okay. The first time was when Cheetawowoozier
Speaker 1: who comes back this week at the interception in the
Speaker 1: Rams game? Is that the only interception of the only
Speaker 1: interception that's right? And they started at the plus thirty
Speaker 1: nine yard line that time? Did they scored? But they
Speaker 1: didn't score? Kicked the field goal, kick the field to
Speaker 1: field goal. The next one was the Atlanta game. The
Speaker 1: onside kick. They started at their own forty six yard line,
Speaker 1: kicked the field goal, okay, And then it was Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard's kickoff return against Washington. So wait, you said, start
Speaker 1: off in plus territory. I'm sorry, the plus side of
Speaker 1: their own thirty seven yards okay, outside their own thirty
Speaker 1: seven yard line, and so Tony Pollard at the plus
Speaker 1: thirty four that the field position. They wasted that position,
Speaker 1: and they kicked field goal on that one too. And
Speaker 1: now they did have one other where the DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: strip sacked the resulted in a touchdown. But that wasn't
Speaker 1: starting a draw. He didn't have a possession, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how about that? I believe you three times in seventy
Speaker 1: three possessions they started less than sixty three yards away,
Speaker 1: which has to be lasting the Okay, So what about
Speaker 1: on the other side of the fifty do you have? Well,
Speaker 1: that would be the only time on the other side
Speaker 1: of the fifties twice it would be the Pollard kickoff
Speaker 1: return last weekends Washington and the Woozier first. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I was thinking on the other side of the shold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so about that, they've they've made it difficult and and
Speaker 1: maybe that's why they were leading the league in yards
Speaker 1: game because they always had the furthest to go. Going
Speaker 1: back to last year, right, it's the same thing once again.
Speaker 1: How do we stop that? Have to drive the turn
Speaker 1: That's why. And I said earlier, if the Cowboys do
Speaker 1: win a game, it's gonna be ugly. I'll let me
Speaker 1: be more specific. In order for them to win a game,
Speaker 1: it has to be ugly. It'll be a reminiscent of
Speaker 1: your only winning eighty nine. Right, let me flip it around.
Speaker 1: I got my only interception that all right? How about
Speaker 1: the opponents? How many times have the has the Cowboys
Speaker 1: opponent I'm okay, outside the thirty five yard line, Okay,
Speaker 1: on within what do you mean? Within sixty five yards
Speaker 1: the touchdown? How many times as the opponent in seventy
Speaker 1: one possessions had the started to drive sixty five yards
Speaker 1: or less away from the end zone. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: a third of that. I was gonna say half seventeen
Speaker 1: out of seventy one. I was closed. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: about a quarter. So they haven't. They haven't. So again,
Speaker 1: they're not helping their defense either in that respect. But
Speaker 1: as I continue say, just because you get that field
Speaker 1: position doesn't mean you have to give up a touchdown.
Speaker 1: You know, give me a field goal, you know what,
Speaker 1: hang in there while your recess needs to be how
Speaker 1: many what's the percentage that the oppositions offense has scored
Speaker 1: on possessions? On possessions? Yeah, how many possessions? Well, I've
Speaker 1: already I've already dissected all the drives. All I gotta
Speaker 1: do is calculating, you know, I think it's in those
Speaker 1: extended stats, which will probably be a right um so. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so defense, defense wins this football game. It's got to
Speaker 1: keep us a chance, gives them a chance, it gets
Speaker 1: him to stay in the game. That's what needs to happen.
Speaker 1: And just think we were talking about Zack Martin coming
Speaker 1: back playing beside the honest, then let's talk about Sean
Speaker 1: Lee coming back regardless of who he's playing. By having
Speaker 1: him in there, well, I put up not having him
Speaker 1: in there could explain some of just the down right
Speaker 1: in the eptness of our defense. Now, I know Sean
Speaker 1: Lee coming in is not going to save the day necessarily,
Speaker 1: but what you want is uh something that you can
Speaker 1: count on, and it'll be interesting to see if he's
Speaker 1: ready to go, So this would he practice a little
Speaker 1: bit last week, he practiced more this week, um, and
Speaker 1: theyren't listen him on the injury report because he's because
Speaker 1: he's on IR. So you know, we don't get a
Speaker 1: really feel for whether he had a full practice or nothing.
Speaker 1: And they can make that move on Saturday. I think.
Speaker 1: So all the complaints that they had about the game
Speaker 1: plan being too complicated, the defensive plan too complicated. Hopefully
Speaker 1: when Sean Lee comes in, clears up a little bit
Speaker 1: of the confusion and maybe we don't have so many
Speaker 1: big plays that lead to our demise. Right, maybe he'll hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, here's what's getting ready to happen this right,
Speaker 1: you know, and and it goes back lost. Just like
Speaker 1: you said, those critical moments you point you talk about
Speaker 1: all the time, those critical moments. If we can eliminate
Speaker 1: those critical mistakes, then we have a chance. I used
Speaker 1: to say this about Roy Williams. Roy Williams was a
Speaker 1: really good safety when Darren Woodson was on the field,
Speaker 1: and I think Jalen Smith's a better linebacker when Sean leeves.
Speaker 1: I do agree with that. And there were some guys
Speaker 1: that help everybody else out do agree with that? And
Speaker 1: and and so I don't know, you know how many
Speaker 1: snaps he might get. I mean, let's face it, he
Speaker 1: hadn't hadn't played a down of football since the end
Speaker 1: of last year. Um, but it might be. We'll see,
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see. You know, that's study the scoring
Speaker 1: plays and which of the which of the scoring plays
Speaker 1: this year were the result of guys being confused and
Speaker 1: out of his We don't know what they well, you
Speaker 1: know the other thing you do, like hockey when they
Speaker 1: do plus or minus, like if you're on the ice
Speaker 1: for a goal, you know you got a minus there. Yes,
Speaker 1: they don't do that. And he was on the field
Speaker 1: for a touchdown darted all right, So all right you
Speaker 1: you before we came on the air. Yes, we're talking
Speaker 1: about Michael Gallup was up there on the big screen
Speaker 1: and about a parting shot on the talk about Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup possibly being traced. It's a three word answer, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: And I think Jerry Jones recently answered that question. Because
Speaker 1: the minute you do that and it never fails, you
Speaker 1: end up with an injury at that position, and then
Speaker 1: you're sitting there going, oh, where's my depth? The other
Speaker 1: part is he's inexpensive. You've got control of him for
Speaker 1: two more years and at a very inexpensive rate for
Speaker 1: his talent. You don't want to give up on that extreme.
Speaker 1: I mean, what are you and what are you gonna
Speaker 1: get back? Is somebody gonna give you a first No,
Speaker 1: they're not doing that. Are they going to give you
Speaker 1: a starting offensive tackle? No, that's not going to happen either.
Speaker 1: You just just don't even think about that. That's my
Speaker 1: pick to click guy for the year. I told you
Speaker 1: about it. He's gonna have he He was on his
Speaker 1: way to having a great year until this whole fiasco
Speaker 1: had so two years from now or maybe three years
Speaker 1: from now, of the Cowboys wide receivers, name two that
Speaker 1: will be on this roster two years from now, CD
Speaker 1: will be here. Ye get what I'm getting at, Well,
Speaker 1: Michael get Gallopper Cooper. And that's a hard question because
Speaker 1: and I surprised somebody with this answer today. I said,
Speaker 1: do you realize that Amari Cooper is second in the
Speaker 1: NFL in receptions and he is on pace to break
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin's single season franchise record of one hundred eleven
Speaker 1: catches in a season. He's on pace for one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty one. I figured out, do we have to
Speaker 1: get rid of either? I mean, why do you have
Speaker 1: to get rid of anybody? I want to keep all
Speaker 1: three of them. Let's keep them together, have a fun
Speaker 1: bunch now. And what's gonna happen though? Gallup is going
Speaker 1: to become more expensive? Wow? But you would you would
Speaker 1: get him to the point where he's a restricted free agent,
Speaker 1: so he next year he would be restricted, right, you
Speaker 1: got him in this year. D is also getting close
Speaker 1: to next year by although you got a fifth year
Speaker 1: option of Yeah, yeah, you don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: that one. And and you know you could, you could,
Speaker 1: you could qualify him with a first round picking. It'll
Speaker 1: be one year, four million dollar deal. You know, you
Speaker 1: just wasted three point five on a guy that you
Speaker 1: know couldn't make way. It's hard to imagine Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: not being here because really he's our solid guy. When
Speaker 1: we talk about picking on a cornerback, when they have
Speaker 1: a cornerback that's supposed to be a stud, we look
Speaker 1: for Cooper to to to change that that narrative. He
Speaker 1: was killing Jalen Lampson. I meant till the till the flop. Right,
Speaker 1: we came at him. No one was afraid of them.
Speaker 1: On this team, we're not afraid of any cornerbacks because
Speaker 1: we have a mother. See this occurred to me, and
Speaker 1: I got to work on this story. This is why
Speaker 1: when you have opportunities to win games like they had
Speaker 1: early and you let them go away. You need those
Speaker 1: games now, right because now you're gonna lose some because
Speaker 1: of other circumstances. But when you had opportunities back then,
Speaker 1: like control, cannot let those games. And I said it
Speaker 1: last year and Bill got tired of me saying it.
Speaker 1: Bill Jones a real comedian. Oh god, I'm dying over here.
Speaker 1: I just want all right, what better way? Thank your mind?
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. What better way to start into mix shots?
Speaker 1: Just thought of that. No, I can't figure out how
Speaker 1: to turn it off, and I forgotten my point. All right,
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