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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hammer Territory podcast.

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Speaker 1: This episode two four or five. I'm your host, Brad Roland,

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Speaker 1: coming to you on a Wednesday evening here in early August,

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined as I always am, by Scott Coleman. Scott.

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Speaker 1: Our first episode post deadline was a few days ago.

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Speaker 1: This is number two for us, our follow up and

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff talk about that's not necessarily unfil related.

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Speaker 1: How are you hey?

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Speaker 2: That's a win, Brad. These are dark days for the

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Speaker 2: Atlanta Braves and we will take some like legitimate news

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Speaker 2: and like a trade rumor that went down to So

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Speaker 2: there's a lot to talk about. And you know it's funny.

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Speaker 2: You're a man who spends some time on Twitter and

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Speaker 2: on Braves Twitter. Do you know how hard it is

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Speaker 2: to get a consensus on literally anything? So tonight you

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Speaker 2: do so tonight? I asked out loud. Is this officially

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Speaker 2: the most disappointing Brave season relative to expectations, hope streams,

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Speaker 2: on field performance, off field stuff? Is this the most

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Speaker 2: disappointing Brave season in like forty years? And I didn't

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Speaker 2: do a poll, but I bet if I've dropped a poll,

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Speaker 2: it would be like ninety eight percent, yes, and that

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Speaker 2: is I mean that that's four decades. Man, Like I'm

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Speaker 2: in my mid thirties. This is far and away the

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Speaker 2: worst Brave season I have ever watched.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's a probably a deeper dive we

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Speaker 1: can do on this when it's actually over at the end,

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Speaker 1: but I think that certainly it's in the running. I

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Speaker 1: think there are some other candidates that we'd like to

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Speaker 1: probably ignore right now because it just feels so terrible

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Speaker 1: in the moment. But I mean, if you go back

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Speaker 1: to ninety one, I mean, forty years is like a

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Speaker 1: pretty round number. Thirty five is like the span of

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Speaker 1: when they were awesome basically and for most of the

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Speaker 1: last thirty five years, And that's like for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people, like their entire life. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what year you were born, but I think it

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Speaker 1: was just before ninety one.

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Speaker 2: Ish, I'm a ninety one baby, So I don't credit for.

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Speaker 1: The little must say, literally your entire life. They've been

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Speaker 1: good basically. They've been a couple of times when they weren't.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean there's a couple of seasons where

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Speaker 1: they fell short of expectations, but not quite in the

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Speaker 1: level of this season, Like if you're certainly doing compared

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Speaker 1: to like what they were supposed to be, it's not

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Speaker 1: even close. This is the obvious answer. If you do that,

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Speaker 1: if that's your calculus. So great things to talk about

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Speaker 1: in early August, when there's still forty nine games left

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Speaker 1: in the season after today.

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Speaker 2: So I was gonna say, forty nine games. Who is counting?

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Speaker 1: Though? Right we are, we are counting, you know what, Scott.

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Speaker 1: We'll come back to some other stuff about that. But

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Speaker 1: we got an questions over the last I don't know

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Speaker 1: thirty six hours about this trade river that you just

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Speaker 1: mentioned that we'll lead with that tonight because it's a

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Speaker 1: little change up. We would normally do some other stuff,

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Speaker 1: but what's not today. There was a report from Dan

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Speaker 1: Hayes at The Athletic, who I think is a credible

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Speaker 1: source covers the Twins very well. He reported the Braves

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Speaker 1: as a team with interest in Byron Buxton, talented outfielder

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Speaker 1: for the Twins. He later tweeted, in addition to writing

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Speaker 1: an article, that the Braves were quote one of two

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Speaker 1: teams who pushed extremely hard end quote for Buxton pre deadline.

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Speaker 1: Now we'll get back into this in a second. The

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Speaker 1: big thing with Buxton is that he has a full

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Speaker 1: no trade clause that apparently he was eager to utilize

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Speaker 1: exercise whatever word you want to use. Like, he apparently

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of a non story. But also it's

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Speaker 1: very interesting and Byron Buxton. You know someone who lives

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Speaker 1: a high school number or two overall pick. But like

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Speaker 1: he has a local connection. I don't know if he

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Speaker 1: Just most people live here a brace fans. So interesting story.

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Speaker 1: He's a really talented, polarizing player. I mean, speaking of

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Speaker 2: So it's really interesting because Buxton was adamant that he

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Speaker 2: there's belief that the Twins might just completely got this

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Speaker 2: Of course, they just traded Carlos Korea. They have some

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Speaker 2: that they're going to need to do. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: a veteran team. Clearly they're not very good this year.

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Speaker 2: So maybe Buxton comes down off of the I'm not

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Speaker 2: waving my trade clause because if he looks around and

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Speaker 2: he's like, Jesus, we're gonna lose one hundred games the

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Speaker 2: next three years, maybe he doesn't want to spend the

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Speaker 2: believe he also has a young family and he might

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Speaker 2: not want to uproot his kids, and no trade clauses

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Speaker 1: And players value them.

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Speaker 2: There's so much more than just the baseball aspect to it,

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Speaker 2: so we'll see. I guess we should spend a couple

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Speaker 2: just I mean polarizing, I think is the perfect word

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Speaker 2: to describe him. Yeah, trade rumors are always interesting in

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Speaker 2: fan bases, but when the products so about on the field,

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Speaker 2: we haven't had any.

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Speaker 1: So Buxton is let's just say this. He's very, very

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Speaker 1: good when he plays. When he plays, and that's when

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Speaker 1: he play about it. Big time hitter, one of the

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Speaker 1: fastest players in baseball by the numbers. We'll come back

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Speaker 1: is the biggest topic with bucks to be on him

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Speaker 1: just being awesome. I pull the numbers starting after twenty

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Speaker 1: he averaged eighty five games per season, which is a

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Speaker 1: sixty two, but it's a lot more games than he's

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Speaker 1: fifteen in Major League Baseball in terms of like fangrafts

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Speaker 1: war among outfielders. Like he's been still that good as

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Speaker 1: far as you know what it is. But he just

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Speaker 1: doesn't play. Like, yeah, that's the thing. Everyone understands. He's

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Speaker 2: And the big question, of course, was if you believe

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Speaker 2: the reporting, and you said, Dan Hayes very reputable reporter

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Speaker 2: and it's not a big surprise that the Braves and

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Speaker 2: the Mets and other teams are intrigued by Buxton because

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Speaker 2: spot that's opening up, so that opens some possibilities. I

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Speaker 2: don't believe there were any names mentioned or specifics in

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Speaker 2: not be surprised. Sometimes when you hear these mid season rumors,

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Speaker 2: they turn into more fire in the offseason because it

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Speaker 2: sure sounds like the Braves and the Twins talked and

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Speaker 2: for all those reasons. There's so many fascinating layers to this,

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Speaker 2: because the Braves also have not only do they have Acunya,

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Speaker 2: Buxton is about as much of an injury risk as

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Speaker 2: there is in Major League Baseball, and Jerks and Profar,

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Speaker 2: there's some real questions about his defense moving forward and

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Speaker 2: what it's going to look like in the next two years,

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Speaker 2: assuming he's with the team, So there was just so

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Speaker 2: many When this report came down, my head's spun five

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Speaker 2: good sign at least that Alexanthopolis is willing to really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, if all I told you was

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Speaker 1: Buckson's numbers, I mean, last five seasons, he has an

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Speaker 2: And you might be able to keep him a little

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Speaker 1: Which presumably would be the case. And we won't go

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Speaker 1: through all of this, but yeah, I mean, you were right.

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Speaker 1: They didn't attach any names to the reporting about what

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Speaker 1: Maybe it got as far as Byron's gonna not approve

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Speaker 1: the trade, so why are you talking about this? But yeah,

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Speaker 1: would have thought about trading. Maybe it was Profar, maybe

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Speaker 1: it was neither. And you explore a world in which

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Speaker 1: there's interesting worlds. Even Buckston sometimes he's a good defender,

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Speaker 1: but just keep healthy to your point. So and then

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Speaker 1: of course that creates the where is ball when? And

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Speaker 1: where's Burfy go question? Like we are we're aware of that.

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Speaker 1: It's it's hard to dissect without knowing what they were

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Speaker 1: trying to offer, But it's pretty firm. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: trust this reporting enough to at least take the Braves

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Speaker 1: had interest in bucks In and vocalize the interest to

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Speaker 1: the Twins, and I'm intrigued. And you know, obviously this

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Speaker 1: bucks in a way like he's on a pretty good contract.

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Speaker 1: It's like fifteen million a year, and he's much better

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Speaker 1: maybe we'll never know, but yeah, your point's a great one.

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Speaker 1: That's probably more doing this now. Is that a lot

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Speaker 2: a dip in velocity or something like that, I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're all gonna have to just hold our breath every

433
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Speaker 2: time Sale goes out there. But because it was a bone,

434
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 2: I can't imagine there's any risk of reaggravating a broken

435
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 2: rib unless he goes and dives for a baseball again.

436
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 2: So it's not ideal. I think in an ideal world, well,

437
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 2: in an ideal world, Sale would have never known for

438
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 2: that baseball to preserve a complete game shutout. But I

439
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 2: think as long as Sale doesn't have any warning signs

440
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 2: and the doctors are convinced he is one hundred percent

441
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 2: and there won't be any lasting effects. Sure, let's see

442
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,479
Speaker 2: make a couple of starts if he wants to, and

443
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: then shut him down. Maybe by the third week in September.

444
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 2: And say hey, let's go get him in twenty twenty six.

445
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, because I should

446
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: have said it too. Like it not being an arm

447
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: an arm injury or even like a leg plant injury.

448
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 1: It's a very it's not gonna mess with him. You

449
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 1: with it. Obviously you can't pitch the broken rib, but

450
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: as long as he's healthy and healed up, there's no

451
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: reason that he can't go, So it doesn't make it

452
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: a little bit different. It's a great point. Please be

453
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Speaker 1: careful with him, I would say. And that goes for everybody.

454
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Speaker 1: I mean, we'll get into this in September, but even

455
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: guys who have who are healthy as they possibly could be,

456
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Speaker 1: I would be super careful with It's a totally like

457
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 1: they're gonna have I mean, honestly, they're gonna have to

458
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: have a matt Olsen conversation, Like should Matt Olsen play

459
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Speaker 1: every single game this season? I know he has the

460
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: consecutive game streak, but should he really play every game

461
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Speaker 1: this season? I would ask that question because and look,

462
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: he's not been hurt for years and years and years

463
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: back found Wood, But like it's hard when you played

464
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: every single game for years and years and years and

465
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Speaker 1: years and you're not hurt, But like, really, do I

466
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Speaker 1: want to see Meddilson play on Setember twenty seventh, I

467
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: kind of don't.

468
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Speaker 2: To be honest, I think I don't disagree with you.

469
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 2: I think Matt would fight, like hell.

470
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Speaker 1: I don't keep it. I get it because it's I

471
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Speaker 1: get it.

472
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Speaker 2: I think Olson streak is getting up there in like

473
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Speaker 2: the top whatever in baseball history for consecutive games play.

474
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Speaker 2: That's not a small thing like.

475
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Speaker 1: That, And I think I think he's gonna play. I mean, look,

476
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Speaker 1: the Braves, we've made fun of this, and even more

477
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: than that, the Braves don't tend to overrule their players,

478
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: probably to a fault. I mean Ronnie playing the not

479
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: long ago, Ronnie playing when you shouldn't have been playing.

480
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: Freddie used to play whenever when he shouldn't be playing.

481
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: Like there's there's document evidence of this for a long time.

482
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna tell Matt he can't play.

483
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like that's an that's probably the most

484
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Speaker 1: prime example of a guy who's not even hurt. But

485
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Speaker 1: it's like, man, really, you're thirty games out, Like, do

486
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 1: we need to be doing this right now, so it's

487
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Speaker 1: it's also philosophical, like it's also sad thing with I mean,

488
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Speaker 1: every time we bring this up, I don't know about you,

489
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 1: we get fans they're like mad at us. They're not

490
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: like grinding through every game the same way, and it's

491
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Speaker 1: like we're not rooting for the team to lose in

492
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: the same way that some others are. Like there's that

493
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Speaker 1: nuance we bring up all the time now too often, maybe,

494
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Speaker 1: but like there are some fans that are just like, no,

495
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Speaker 1: treat it like every other game. We want the team

496
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Speaker 1: to win. Play as hard as you can't, and I

497
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Speaker 1: get it. I just think it's like maybe prudent to

498
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Speaker 1: not push as hard.

499
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Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, just be careful and be smart

500
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Speaker 2: over these final two months. Spencer Strider who pitched on

501
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Speaker 2: Wednesday Night, Spencer is going to almost certainly get shut

502
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Speaker 2: down here at some point, probably in September. But no

503
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Speaker 2: need to push him coming off the elbow surgery. I mean,

504
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Speaker 2: we talked about Grant Holmes was probably to the end

505
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Speaker 2: of his road or nearing it anyway, and then he

506
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Speaker 2: gets hurt, which is really unfortunate. So I think we're

507
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Speaker 2: gonna see a lot of Joey Wentz, Hurston Waldrip Giddyer

508
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Speaker 2: for one, does Eric Fetti like those types are gonna

509
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: make a lot of starts to this team down the

510
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Speaker 2: stretch because there's just no need for Strider to go

511
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: balls to the wall any year where you're gonna be

512
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Speaker 2: twenty five games below five hundred.

513
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Speaker 1: Yeah, pitching even more so, for sure. I use a

514
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Speaker 1: couple of disi player examples, like like Matt, but pitching

515
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Speaker 1: is even more so, like there's just there's mileage on

516
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Speaker 1: your arm that you would like to avoid it. Nothing

517
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Speaker 1: else and a lost season under key guys. So we'll

518
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Speaker 1: leave it there for now. We will get into some

519
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Speaker 1: actual on field stuff to end the podcast at a

520
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: second couple of losses and in fact they sweep at

521
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Speaker 1: home and not great fashion. We'll get into all that

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Speaker 1: Go for it, Okay, Scott, Let's wrap this thing up

542
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Speaker 1: with a sweep loss at the hands of the Brewers.

543
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Speaker 1: The bridge did threaten Tonight within Michael Harris home run

544
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Speaker 1: in the ninth on Wednesday to get within one. They

545
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Speaker 1: end up losing five to four. Before we tip into

546
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Speaker 1: the actual games as predicted by us, I would say

547
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Speaker 1: on Sunday, there was nobody at the ballpark, nobody, nobody.

548
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Speaker 2: It was a ghost town. I called it a morgue

549
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: on Twitter. I mean people were posting photos. I know

550
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Speaker 2: the Braves announced thirty some thousand people at the last

551
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Speaker 2: three games, but I mean it might have been like

552
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Speaker 2: fifteen thousand people.

553
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Speaker 1: It was.

554
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Speaker 2: It was a empty I have ever seen truest park, man,

555
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: it was. And it's sad, and I get it, like

556
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 2: I understand why, especially the way the Braves have restricted

557
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: reselling of season tickets, especially, which is a load of uh,

558
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: you know, crap. No one's gonna be there and no

559
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Speaker 2: one's gonna I mean.

560
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: It's it's sad.

561
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: I wish you watch the Braves right now. And then

562
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: the other night I flipped on the Phillies game and

563
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: Susans Bank Park is packed and going nuts because Kyleshwarber

564
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: home it again. And it's just like the envy right now,

565
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: and it's just it's really unfortunate that we're at this situation.

566
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we did. We'd get get into it on Sunday,

567
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: won't really get all of it. But it was perfect

568
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: storm too, like obviously the lows of the low on

569
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Speaker 1: the field weather concerns playing an opponent that is really

570
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 1: good but not a name brand opponent. School started this

571
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: week like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Like it was just all

572
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: the signs were there. We saw it coming, and I

573
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: know people were confused by this. The attendance number is

574
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Speaker 1: announced by any team. This is not just a braced thing.

575
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: This is any team. Is a tickets sold slash distributed number.

576
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: It is not a people in the building number. Keep

577
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Speaker 1: that in mind, so when they say thirty thousand, they're

578
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Speaker 1: not lying. That's the number of tickets day've distributed, sees,

579
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Speaker 1: ticket holders, all that stuff. But there were not that

580
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Speaker 1: many people in the building I can I can guarantee

581
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Speaker 1: you that right now for multiple sources. I wasn't there,

582
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Speaker 1: but between pictures and people that I know were there,

583
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Speaker 1: media folks, other fans, it was. It was not thirty

584
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Speaker 1: thousand people. I could probish you that. So it's just

585
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: one little thing. It doesn't matter that much. But two

586
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: we poked fun at it. But the notion that some

587
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: were throwing out there, the deadline that the Braves wanted

588
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 1: to maintain some sort of respectability and get the building

589
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: filled by not trading guys like the cleat, that was

590
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: never realistic, Like they're gonna draw bet like even this

591
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: weekend they're playing the Marlins who are the Marlins? They

592
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: will draw better this weekend. It's a weekend people people

593
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Speaker 1: like to Uh. I've been at the Battery for plenty

594
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Speaker 1: of plenty of bad teams. Like on a weekend, the

595
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Speaker 1: Battery will still be popping. That's just it's a it's

596
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: a cool thing to do. It's outside. There will have

597
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: no trouble drawing on Friday and Saturday and Sunday. They

598
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Speaker 1: just won't. I guess anybody now, I won't be packed

599
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: in the way. We will be agguest the Dodgers if

600
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: they were good, but they will draw fine. It's the

601
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: weekday games. We're on a Tuesday night. It's not a

602
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Speaker 1: small thing to have to go to the ballpark from

603
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Speaker 1: any around Atlanta on a weeknight. And if you don't

604
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Speaker 1: want to really go yangling right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I've seen people, you know, we were talking about it

606
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: and people have said, hey, I am trying to give

607
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: my tickets away and nobody wants to go. And someone

608
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: even said I was offering tickets and a parking pass

609
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Speaker 2: and I could not find someone to.

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Speaker 1: Go on Monday night. I'll do that if it's offer.

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Speaker 1: If I wants to offer me that, I'll go. Most

612
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Speaker 1: nights fun.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah, And I love baseball like you know,

614
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Speaker 2: any level. I'm not a local, but I get it.

615
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Speaker 2: Man Like people are frustrated. It's school airfair. If you

616
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Speaker 2: want to pay it. If you want to pay for

617
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Speaker 2: Scott's airfair.

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Speaker 1: He'll come. He'll come to a game.

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Speaker 2: If you If anybody has that that private jet, send

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Speaker 2: it on out. We'll give you a nice little shout

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Speaker 2: out on the show.

622
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Speaker 1: And we might have. We might have. Honestly, there would

623
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Speaker 1: not be surprised if we had a fan that has

624
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Speaker 1: like a Wheels OFE connection or something like that. So

625
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Speaker 1: somebody that listens to the show that's like a rich

626
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: person that's like, hey, Scott, want to go on my plane. Anyway,

627
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Speaker 1: That's not where I wanted to start necessarily, but it's

628
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Speaker 1: just like it was. It was a looming specter and

629
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Speaker 1: they got swept. I mean, we'll talk about it for

630
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Speaker 1: a second. I know Steven and Sean talked about the

631
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: first game of a sweep on Monday, but Tuesday's loss

632
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: was like a pretty twenty twenty five Braves loss. It

633
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: was by five runs on a game where they had

634
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: plenty of chances. They left. We're team on base like.

635
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: It was just like a throw It was like throwback

636
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: to like May, when we still had hope and they

637
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: would have these nights where they just couldn't get anything

638
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: going in big spots. It was like somebody.

639
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: Someone had a note, and I don't have it exactly

640
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: in front of me, but I believe with the bases loaded,

641
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: the Braves struck out three times in full counts on

642
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: pitches that would have been ball four. Tell me that

643
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: is not the most twenty twenty four twenty twenty five

644
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: Atlanta Brave stat imaginable.

645
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 1: It was.

646
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Speaker 2: I did not catch a lot of it, Thankfully. I

647
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: had planed with my wife much much more fun than

648
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: watching that game because I was just scrolling through the

649
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: game day box score and it was like, oh my god,

650
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: Oh they left.

651
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: The bases loaded.

652
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: Oh they left the bases loaded again. Oh they committed

653
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: an air. It was just, I mean, it's it's mind

654
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: numbing just how bad this team is sometimes.

655
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the aforementioned Joey Wentz had his worst start as

656
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: a Brave. He still wasn't even that badd a couple

657
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: of bad moments in that start he did. Actually, I'm

658
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: gonna spin this positively for joy Wentz. He has pitched

659
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: five times for the Braves. Twenty three and a third

660
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: innings is era is like three point one fifth of

661
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: like two point five. Like he's actually been good. I

662
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: don't know if that's real. He wasn't pretty good on Tuesday,

663
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: but he's a small bright spot in the wilderness. I

664
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: guess yeah. And to your point earlier, he's gonna pitch it.

665
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean, guys that will not be shut down. If

666
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: he is able to pitch, he will keep pitching all

667
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: the way for sure. And I agree.

668
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: I don't think Wentz is necessarily like a long term fixture,

669
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: but if he pitches well for the next two months,

670
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: he's gonna make like a million dollars next season. He's

671
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: probably worth keeping around and at least, you know, tendering

672
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: him maybe a two way contract or I think Wentz

673
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: still has minor league options, so you can do a

674
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: split deal, whatever it is. I think Wentz has shown

675
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: at least enough through five starts that you can keep

676
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: him around, and maybe the Braves have figured something out

677
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: with Rick Kranitz and the pitching staff. I've tried to

678
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: maybe reinvent him a little bit, because clearly what Wentz

679
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: was doing before this was just not working out.

680
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, as we've discussed, maybe he's like your eighth

681
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: starter next and you do need eight starters, you need

682
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: nine ten starters. So I'm no one's saying he's gonna

683
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: be one of your best five coming into the season

684
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: next year. But if you have guys that are in

685
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: your eight, nine ten spots that can actually pitch respectable

686
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: major beginnings, that is actually very helpful. So hopefully something

687
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: like that a small bright spot. There're thing that happened

688
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: that was kind of making the rounds was the jerks

689
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: and profar hilariously bad defensive play from Tuesday. I know

690
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: you weren't dialed in watching. Did you see the play?

691
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: Have you seen the replay of this play?

692
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: I did see it. I know that I understand why

693
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: there's so much It was really bad.

694
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: It was bad, man, I mean it was.

695
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: We've seen that play before where a ball is hit

696
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: right at an outfielder and they kind of like freeze

697
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: and he should have gone backwards at it. It was

698
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: like a comical looking play and Profar has been really

699
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: bad defensively. But yeah, I mean that is a legitimate

700
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: concern for a player who came into the year with questions.

701
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: About his defense. Yeah, I mean it's one player. I

702
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: don't really care about one play. It was bad, it

703
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: was amusingly bad. But the bigger thing is, and this

704
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: is of course an off season topic, but he is

705
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: a bad defender. And we kind of we kind of

706
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: knew that when we talked about it this this winter

707
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: when they signed. It was like, hey, he could probably

708
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: play left but it's not like he's a good defender,

709
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: and he's not. It's funny because he used to be

710
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: a shortstop. Like I'm old enough to remember when he

711
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: was a prospect, he was a shortstop and I can't

712
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: imagine him playing shortstop. Can you imagine that? I mean, yeah,

713
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen this too. At the height of one,

714
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: Ozzie was like struggling the absolute most this year. People

715
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: were asking asking its pro park up by second base.

716
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: It's like, guys, he can't play left field. No, we

717
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: can't with he can with second base. He's the age

718
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: and he's not. Actually, I'll ask you this. There is

719
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: this comparison being made by many people in the last

720
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: two days to Horace Hilaire do all. Distinction between Solaire's

721
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: defense was I think worse. It looked worse, but people,

722
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean some of the advanced numbers are actually similarly

723
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: bad for Profar. I don't think for me, we're not

724
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: a spot where it's like last winter we were saying

725
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: collectively as a body on the show, he Solai cannot

726
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: play left field ever again, like no, get him out

727
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: of here. Are you fund that we have a Profar

728
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: or are we like going in next year like this,

729
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: because look, it's the it's the curve regrading on. But

730
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: if he's a DH, he's not very good as a DH.

731
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: Like you kind of have to mash if if you're

732
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: playing DH, if you're playing left field, it's like all right,

733
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: whatever hit recently.

734
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Profar has a one to fifteen w

735
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: RC plus since coming off the suspension, which is good.

736
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: Like that's kind of what we expected from him before

737
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 2: we knew he was juicing. I think when when they

738
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: signed him this offseason, we're like, you know what last

739
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 2: year career year. I didn't know about the pds, but

740
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: like a one fifteen, one to twenty w RC plus

741
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: for a position that has been a catastrophic black hole

742
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: for years or the braves, that's that seemed reasonable and

743
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: you would take it. That's a good hitting left fielder.

744
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: It's not gonna get you to the Hall of Fame.

745
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: But I think Profar is really one of like three

746
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: players that I am super locked into Profar, Michael Harris,

747
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 2: ozsi Alby's these final two months, how do they perform?

748
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: How much confidence do they instill? Because I think Profar

749
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: is gonna hit enough. But that defense, I don't think

750
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: it's Jorge Solaier bad, but it's I mean every it's

751
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: not like so Lair where every night it was like,

752
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: oh dear God, what an adventure. But it's been bad.

753
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: I mean in a month plus, it's I can count

754
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: a couple of times on my hand, just off the

755
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: top of my head where Profar made a bad play

756
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: in left field and ended up giving up a hit

757
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: that probably should have been caught.

758
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's strongly negative out there so far. Maybe he

759
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: can improve. He didn't you know, he wasn't played for

760
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's his own fault, but he wasn't playing

761
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: for a while. Maybe there's some rust if you want

762
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: to be kind to him. I know Bracefas don't want

763
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: to kind of him, which understand he cost them a

764
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: lot so, uh, your point, this is the right one.

765
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: We were never some people were. We were never saying

766
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: he was definitely going to be what he was last year.

767
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: We weren't forecasting regression from that number. And that's kind

768
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: of where he is the plate. But if he's an

769
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: even if he is a one fifteen WRC plus guy

770
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 1: in left field, if his defense is this bad, you're

771
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: not loving it. Like he's not unplayable, but that's not

772
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: that's not exciting. If he's a strongly negative defender and

773
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: a pretty good hitter, that's not a good that's not

774
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: a great player. Like it's better than Verdugo, it's better

775
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: than a white spin, but like it's not what you

776
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: were hoping for. So hopefully he gets hopefully could just

777
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: be okay. Like that's the thing with profar defensively, is

778
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: like get him to be below average compared to catastrophic.

779
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: That's the gap you're looking for.

780
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: And generally left field is not a defensive position that's

781
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: going to absolutely kill you. It can still hurt you, but.

782
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: It's not like stop. Yeah. On Tuesday, I had someone

783
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: very angrily arguing with me telling me that they thought

784
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: Ozuna was good. Azuna would be better in left field

785
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: than Profar, and they were serious, and I was like,

786
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: Ozuna can't even run like respectfully, stop, I understand the

787
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: point you're trying to make people trying to be hyperbolic

788
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: about the defense. It is bad with Profar, it has

789
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: been bad. Hopefully it improves. But anyway, that was a

790
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: other than Yeah, honestly, that was probably the most memorable

791
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: thing that happened on Tuesday was the Profar defensive misque.

792
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: It made the rounds tonight's game closer five to four loss.

793
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: Uh.

794
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: The first thing, briefly we'll talk about, did you see

795
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: the lineup revamp? Like Snith decided to just put the

796
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: names in a hat and just kind of jiggle them,

797
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: and that the lineup it was. I don't really care

798
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: honestly about the linup contruction right now. Season's over, but

799
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: I do care about one thing, and that's that Ballwin

800
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: didn't play today. I don't like that he did pinch it.

801
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: He was actually he made the last out of the game,

802
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't like ball when not play.

803
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: I get that it's an eight game week, so maybe

804
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: that's part of this, but weird, just weird all the

805
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: way around. Everything was weird.

806
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, weird lineup. I kind of laughed when I saw.

807
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 2: I'm like, whatever, who cares.

808
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't it doesn't matter. It was just one

809
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: of those things like you see the lineup card come out,

810
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: we're all we all we're all conditioned to do this,

811
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: that we're dialed in. When the laud comes out, we

812
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: all kind of look at it and it's like if

813
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: it's similar, it's kind of a shrug. But just to

814
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: say it. A lot of people that may maybe didn't

815
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: see the game, it was Elio White leading off, Ozzie

816
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: hitting second, and then it was I mean, not just

817
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: gonna play. So the rest of it was pretty conventional.

818
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: But Profar got moved down as soon it was back

819
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: in the lineup tonight. The biggest thing was again Eli

820
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: White nausey always one to two. I mean, I understand

821
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: you don't really care anymore, but like, what are we doing?

822
00:39:59,000 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: Don't do that?

823
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: Forty nine games of Brian Snitker left Brad forty nine games.

824
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: Oh, that actually reminds me. We've been saying exactly that

825
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: about snit Somebody actually like very genuinely asked us, like, hey,

826
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: have they announced it? No, Like a lot of us

827
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: are assuming Snit is not going to be back. No

828
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: one has said anything or even reported it definitively. Now,

829
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: the Beat guys have all kind of talked about it

830
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: pretty openly, like they're kind of assuming that's going to

831
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: be gone. We are assuming that to retirement, to maybe

832
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: a consulting role or whatever. But no one has said that.

833
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: No one has announced that. That is a key distinction.

834
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: I like to be precise. We're not breaking any news.

835
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: We are assuming that's not going to be there anymore.

836
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: But no one said that. In fact, someone was breaking

837
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: someone's like, uh, I think it was our friend at

838
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: Capitol Avenue on Twitter was like just wait for the

839
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: moment when they announced that's gonna be back next year

840
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: and the Twitter reaction to that, that'll go over well.

841
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: Uh, the Internet would actually explode. But you know, Snit

842
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: his contract is up at the end of the season.

843
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: What do they say about college coaches without a contract?

844
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's it's not apples to apples. But

845
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: there's a reason, man, Like, if Snit was coming back,

846
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 2: why would you not already extend him? The season has

847
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: been bad? Like if let me say this, Brad, if

848
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: the Braves before this year did not renew Snit's contract,

849
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: but they won one hundred and three games and went

850
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: to the World Series. Okay, you can obviously write up

851
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: a new extension, even if it's unconventional for managers to

852
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: manage without a contract beyond the current year. But I mean,

853
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: there's nothing this season that would lead me to believe

854
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: that Snit will be back. Maybe he's in a front

855
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: office role. Hell of a career, almost fifty years with

856
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: the Braves, it's just remarkable.

857
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: But I mean he's going to be seventy in October

858
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: as well. Like, yeah, I we can say this for later,

859
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: but I think that it does if you we're not

860
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: we've ever been the biggest advocates, nor have we ever

861
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: been the biggest set detractors. Is that fair? I think

862
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: it is Scott Were. I respect Brian Snicker. I think

863
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: he's done a good job and a lot of things

864
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: for a long time. I think he has some weaknesses.

865
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: He always has, so I've never been like the zelots

866
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: that some are. Some people are like, you cannot creditie Brian, Well,

867
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: yes I can, and I will, But others are like

868
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: he's a buffoon, get him out, And I don't feel

869
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: the same way. I don't feel I don't feel that

870
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: way either. But when you're expiring contractually, when you'll be seventy,

871
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: and when your team does this for this season, it

872
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: gives everybody cover across the I mean, if if you

873
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: want to be cynical about it all, it gives Alice cover,

874
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: It gives ownership cover, It gives Snick cover to say, hey,

875
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: it's been a great well. Tip the cap I will.

876
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: You know, everyone should be like extremely positive for the

877
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: moment Snit retires. Everyone should give Snitt his flowers hopefully.

878
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: I know the Braves will. But I'm even fans that

879
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: don't like love him as a manager. The guy's been

880
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: an organizational lifer. Like it's a pretty easy lay up,

881
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: no issues off the field, like any of this stuff.

882
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: Like he's it's he's an absolute layup of a guy

883
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: to praise when he goes out.

884
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: He won a World Series, dude, Like if you if

885
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: fans who who overlook the world, I get to stop

886
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna go on a crazy tangent. Fans who

887
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: act like twenty twenty one wasn't all that great, Oh

888
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: they just got hot, they weren't that good? Shut up? Like, actually,

889
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: shut up, that's the ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

890
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: Agreed, and also yes it was. The playoffs are random,

891
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: they are, but okay, they also could have won the

892
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: World Series and other seasons when they were actually quote

893
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: unquote that good of a team and they didn't, So like,

894
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: who cares? It balances out they won the World Series? Okay,

895
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: Flash Flight Forever, uh the old Actually, uh my, I

896
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: guess he's my friend. I mean we've we've hung out some.

897
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: Brian went horse to ESPN co covers the NBA. He

898
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: what he says is winning means you never have to

899
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: say you're sorry. It's like, hey, that's that's that's that's right. Basically,

900
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: that's that's like his version of flash fla Forever. Basically,

901
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: if you want to if you won the World Series,

902
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: who you won? Yep? Oh one more thing on the

903
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: game tonight and we'll get out of here. You mentioned

904
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: Strutter before Strutter we think probably won't pitch all the

905
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: way to the end. He had his worst start of

906
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: the season tonight, by the numbers, four and two thirds,

907
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: eleven hits. He got hit really hard tonight, five or

908
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: runs like it wasn't like a total catastrophe, but like

909
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: he was not good, Like he did not look great today.

910
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: He got hit hard. Anything you want to flag about

911
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: that or just wanted to say it out loud, like

912
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: it didn't look great. He's again he's the only guy

913
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: in the rotition that everybody likes right now. But he

914
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: wasn't very good today.

915
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: Now, in the last couple of starts for Spencer have

916
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 2: not been very good, I'm wondering if he's starting to

917
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: hit a little bit of a wall physically. He of

918
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: course barely pitched last year, and then coming all the

919
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: way back from the surgery, he's not kidding as much

920
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: a swing and miss as he was earlier in the

921
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: season either when he was really rolling. So you know,

922
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: it's the first week, almost second week of August. I

923
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 2: would pitch Spencer up until Labor Day and then probably

924
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: call it quits for the season. He just I don't

925
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 2: need to send him out there, and hopefully he can

926
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: be better than this moving forward. But it was really,

927
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 2: I mean he was he was getting hit hard really

928
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: from the first inning on.

929
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not one of those games where you

930
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: give a bunch of soft stuff you get unlucky. Like

931
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: we'll point that out when it happens, it was not

932
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: that today he got hit hard. All right, well, Scott,

933
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: we can get out of here. We alluded to it earlier.

934
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: The Race have a five game series against the Marlins

935
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: because on Thursday, yes, five games, they're playing a doubleheader

936
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Boy, that'll be a long day at the office.

937
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: They did announce probables for a few games today. It's

938
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: Carrasco on Oh sorry, sorry, Carlos, I can't help it laugh,

939
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: Carlos Grasco on Thursday, Bryce Older on Friday, and Saturday

940
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: is still a TVD. It seems like they're gonna be

941
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be Waldrope we think in one of

942
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: those games, but they haven't said that yet, So just

943
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: strap in. We'll have at least one more show between

944
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: now and announced. That's the plan anyway between now on

945
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: the weekend. So what update on who's going to pitch

946
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: for the weekend. But the Marlins being like, what nine

947
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: to ten games ahead of the Braves is just like unthinkable,

948
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: But that's where we are.

949
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, and you know what, the Marlins are a

950
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: great story out of nowhere. These guys have been one

951
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: of the better teams I think only the Brewers actually

952
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: have a better record than the Miami Marlins over almost

953
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: seven or eight weeks at this point, which is nuts

954
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 2: good on the Marlins, a team that was left for dead,

955
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: a team that has like no payroll, and they're winning games.

956
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: And actually, I just love this. The Marlins have a

957
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: worse run differential than the Braves do. Of course, of

958
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: course that's.

959
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: What happens when you go, oh in ninety six and

960
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: one run games like the Bras this year.

961
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: So I didn't mean I was just looking at that,

962
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: like I wanted to go see what the Marlins record was,

963
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: and then I just thought, oh, they're minus forty eight

964
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: the Braves or minus thirty.

965
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: You know, a crazy thing. If the Braves lay down

966
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 2: this weekend. You know, the Marlins are only five games

967
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: back of the Mets in the lost column in the

968
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 2: East right now.

969
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, six games, five games a lot. Yeah,

970
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: because the Mets are two and I think they went

971
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: like two to eight in the last ten, like they're

972
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: kind of.

973
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: The Mets are bad, like legitimately bad for two months now.

974
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: I can't I can't wait in late September and October

975
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: when we're not talking about the Braves, we'll be talking

976
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: about we'll be rooting against the Mets in the Phillies

977
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: because that's what Braves fans should do. And yeah, I

978
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: saw your exchange with I think it was James Shadow

979
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: of Mets up our colleague on the network, basically like

980
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: offering to trade them records because they were and the

981
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: Mets fans are meltdown and I get why they're playing

982
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: like crap, and they had been for a while. But

983
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, how about how about the perspectives. The

984
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: Braves are currently fifteen games behind the Mets.

985
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: It's funny. It's almost like the two organizations have flipped,

986
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: isn't it.

987
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: Like Like I.

988
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: Think when James was on our show in the spring,

989
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, I would love for the Braves

990
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: problems to be the Mets problems. Now, little did we

991
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: know the season ahead was around on the corner.

992
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: But we'll switch.

993
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, just uh, bad year, but hey maybe as long

994
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: as we'll be rooting hard for whoever the Mets, if

995
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 2: the Mets make the playoffs, whoever the Mets draw, whoever

996
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: the Phillies draw. Phillies are a good team. I almost

997
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: might pick the Phillies to win the World Series or

998
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: at least get there from the National League because they

999
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: are they're playing pretty well, and they they are built

1000
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: for October. And this also just feels like and then

1001
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: we'll move on. But it just feels like the Phillies

1002
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: are like kind of near the end of their reign

1003
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,479
Speaker 2: with the ages of some of those players. So we'll see,

1004
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 2: he'll be It feels like the playoffs are about is

1005
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: wide open this year as they have been in a

1006
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 2: long time. I wish them, not them with the worst,

1007
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 2: to be honest, but I understand.

1008
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: What you said there. You're right, You're right, They're they're good.

1009
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: It's a good team. Okay, Scott, let's get out of

1010
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: here on this Wednesday evening again. We'll have another show

1011
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: between now and Sunday, probably with our colleagues Shawn Stephen

1012
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: on that pod, but please stay to Please subscribe to

1013
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1014
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Speaker 1: close on the Indianapolis Colts quarterback battles in full swing

1017
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Speaker 1: training camp stuff. Scott, fans and football.

1018
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Speaker 2: What else do Let's do twenty five minutes on Brad's

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Speaker 2: Takes on the Atlanta Falcons for twenty to twenty.

1020
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Speaker 1: You don't want that, maybe I can talk to my guy,

1021
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Freeman from Locked on Falcons talk to have me

1022
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: on the podcast. I have lots of Falcons takes. I

1023
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: just don't want to offer them here. I'm pessimistic as

1024
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: I always am about the Falcons, but I do love them.

1025
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: That's my cleanest fan experience. I've never covered them full time.

1026
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: I'm just a maniac like everybody else with them. It's

1027
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: just I hate them, but I love them, and it

1028
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: is what it is, sports and a nutshell. Scott, thanks

1029
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: for being here. I appreciate it, as always your flexibility

1030
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Speaker 1: in my recording times. As for Mela, one more time,

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