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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast

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Speaker 1: build you from the inside out. Now Here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in to Unbreakable, a mental wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 2: And I'm so excited for our guest today because not

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Speaker 2: only am I working with him this week, he is

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Speaker 2: a former NFL executive, but also he's coming on to

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Speaker 2: really open up about his mental health and mental health

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Speaker 2: journey over the last couple of years and the first

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Speaker 2: time he's really opening up about this.

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Speaker 3: So really excited to dive him.

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Speaker 2: But before I get to him, if you're like many people,

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Speaker 2: you may be surprised to learn that one in five

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Speaker 2: adults in this country experienced mental illness last year, yet

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Speaker 2: far too many fail to receive the support they need.

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Speaker 3: Carolyn Behavioral Health is doing something about it.

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Speaker 2: They understand that behavioral health is a key part of

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Speaker 2: whole health, delivering compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional,

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Speaker 2: and social needs and tandem.

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Speaker 3: Carolyn behavioral Health raising the quality of life through empathy

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Speaker 3: and action.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable and Mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazer and I will be working with this

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Speaker 2: man all week. Here for the NFL Draft, for hosting

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Speaker 2: it for Fox Sports Radio, did it last year as well.

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Speaker 2: He's a personal friend who we've been friends for a

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Speaker 2: long time, former general manager of the Hourzona Cardinals Steve

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Speaker 2: Kam and Steve Iman. To welcome you in, and we

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Speaker 2: have a lot of things to talk about, things that

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Speaker 2: you haven't talked about in your journey.

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Speaker 3: So I'm really.

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Speaker 2: Excited for you know, your vulnerability, and for you to

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Speaker 2: be able to tell people what your journey has been like.

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Speaker 3: But before we hit that, let me give you a

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Speaker 3: proper welcome.

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Speaker 4: How are you, buddy. I'm doing great. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: been a long time coming.

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Speaker 5: You know. You know I've talked about this podcast and

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Speaker 5: certainly something we've talked about over the years, and it's

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Speaker 5: I think it's the right time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate you know what I think. Look, every

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Speaker 2: time we've we've been through things in life. I kind

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Speaker 2: of refer to him as things we've overcome and our

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Speaker 2: story and the things we've overcome.

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Speaker 3: That's our equity in life.

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Speaker 2: It's not the money we make, it's the thing that

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Speaker 2: we've overcome we continue to improve on. Unbreakable is something

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Speaker 2: that almost broke me didn't, and I came through the

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Speaker 2: other side of that tunnel stronger as a result, and

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Speaker 2: I could use that for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no doubt.

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Speaker 5: And I think Jay, you know, you taught me a

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Speaker 5: lot about mental health and some of the things that

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Speaker 5: come with it. Obviously, you know, over the past two years,

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Speaker 5: I've gone through quite a bit, and you know, really,

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Speaker 5: I think one of the things that is really hard

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Speaker 5: to talk about is number one is asking for help.

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Speaker 5: You have to show you're vulnerable enough to ask for help,

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Speaker 5: and obviously that's a big issue. But at the same time,

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Speaker 5: you know, I think what's really important is, you know,

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Speaker 5: my whole life and my whole life as an executive,

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Speaker 5: as a football player, you're always talked to be tough,

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Speaker 5: to not show your weakness, and that's really the opposite

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Speaker 5: of what we go through mental health. You know, you

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Speaker 5: try to be a proud person, you try to be

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Speaker 5: a sort of protected you know, you want to protect

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Speaker 5: once you become vulnerable, once you be able to let

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Speaker 5: your guard down, that's when I think you can make

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Speaker 2: So, Steve, I want to go back here obviously you're

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Speaker 2: the general manager of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: You were I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know whether you were proper tumber you fired us GM

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Speaker 2: mutual parting in the ways, I don't know what that is.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it happened when you were in a reab right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I went to a treatment center. It was called

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Speaker 5: the Meadows. It's a phenomenal facility in Wickenberg, Arizona, really

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Speaker 5: world renowned, but it's an amazing center that it's a

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Speaker 5: forty five day impatient facility and it'll cover anything from

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Speaker 5: food addiction, substance abuse, you know, anything anxiety depression, which

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Speaker 5: I had a big problem with, and it's a great

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Speaker 5: place to go and reset. You know, you're in there

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Speaker 5: for forty five days, Jay, you don't have a phone,

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Speaker 5: you don't have music, you don't have anything. All you're

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Speaker 3: Let's go back.

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Speaker 2: I want to go back in time here because you know,

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Speaker 2: I want you to kind of take us lead up

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Speaker 2: to us where you knew, Hey, you were kind of

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Speaker 3: For and fill our listeners in take us on your journey.

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Speaker 5: Well, if you can remember that that summer prior to

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Speaker 5: the season, we had just done Kyler Murray's contract, which

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Speaker 5: And then at that point in time, you know, there

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Speaker 5: like over time, Jay, after we got that contract done

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Speaker 4: And I couldn't quite put my finger on it.

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Speaker 5: You know, the people around me, my loved ones and

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Speaker 5: tell something was wrong as well. And you know, I

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Speaker 5: and that's what's the scary part about it, Jay, is

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Speaker 5: So to be put in that position for the first

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Speaker 4: I was sad. Here.

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Speaker 5: I am making the most money I've ever made my life,

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Speaker 5: and I was still unhappy. So then not only that, Jay,

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Speaker 5: know it sounds funny to say, but you know you're

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Speaker 5: It was not easy to do, and I could not

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Speaker 2: Look, you know you're in a space now. Also, I

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Speaker 3: I'm a clinical insomniac, come, clinical depression.

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Speaker 2: Anxiety, ADHD, bipolar, you name it. I got it right,

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Speaker 2: get back to something you said, and this is something

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Speaker 2: and I had a pseudo intervention, if you will, right,

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Speaker 5: Yes, you know, not only that's a one thing I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the thing. Like I always say, our

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Speaker 2: I've been on both sides because I've been broken than broke.

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Speaker 2: So I understand that part of Hey, my my built,

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Speaker 2: every month Bill's got turned off. I just had to

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Speaker 2: I did really make it, and I remember standing on

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Speaker 3: It's not. And that's man, that's hard to deal with it.

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Speaker 2: And then you realize, all right, well, over time, I've

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, jeah.

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Speaker 5: I told my mother when I was nine years old,

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Speaker 5: So I was laser focused my whole life. That's all

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Speaker 2: And also, look you got the DWI and the drinking

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Speaker 3: That must have been quite a wrestling.

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Speaker 4: Match for you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, because you're always sort of in the

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Speaker 4: Is it you know what?

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Speaker 5: We learned it to meadows Man, and I thought this

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Speaker 2: So tell me, you know, I want to get back

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Speaker 3: Okay, I got to go reap. I can't continue being

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Speaker 5: The scariest part was, I think once we got to

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Speaker 4: Even having a cocktail. I didn't. I got to the

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Speaker 4: Was letting the pain go. Does that make sense? Gives

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Speaker 3: Off right, It gives you a broth of the pan.

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Speaker 5: Problem is, Jay, is the next morning you woke up

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Speaker 5: And that's that's when I knew, you know, when you

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Speaker 2: I still want you to come back to what was

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Speaker 3: Was it the team that sent you or was it

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Speaker 5: Leading up to it, you know I had enough people again, friends, family, coworkers,

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Speaker 4: I told him straight up, yeah, I'm not doing good.

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Speaker 2: How scary it was it to go in the middle

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Speaker 5: Number one, you know, after ten years of being a GM,

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Speaker 5: And you know, I think that it was like I

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Speaker 5: knew it was what was best for me. But when

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Speaker 5: It builds a lot of cherie chmaraderie in there.

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Speaker 4: Man. It's it's interesting.

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Speaker 5: You know, so many different walks of life and people

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Speaker 2: If you look at your life right now, are you

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Speaker 3: Were you happier than when you were a GYM?

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Speaker 4: Much happier now? Good love that much happier?

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know when the paychecks will stop coming

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Speaker 5: You know, things slow down and you miss certain parts

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Speaker 4: But at the.

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Speaker 5: Same time you can finally again appreciate the small things.

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Speaker 5: As we said, you know, at a point in time,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so when you're in rehab and Michael Bilboll comes

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Speaker 2: we both agree. Just said when after I went to

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Speaker 2: And uh, you know, still love the organization and appreciate

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Speaker 4: I was there for twenty five years.

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Speaker 3: Well, it happened while you were in rehab, right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, I was.

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Speaker 5: I was just yeah, I was in I was in

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Speaker 5: What do you want to do? How do you feel?

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Speaker 5: And because I went to the treatment center, I was

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Speaker 4: At my life and to be honest with myself.

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Speaker 5: Versus trying to say, you know what, I want to

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Speaker 2: So you also, you have a big personality, right, You

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Speaker 2: and I always go play if you do this whole

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 3: What are the stressors and pressures to be that character?

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Speaker 2: Like I always say, I created this character of the

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Speaker 2: these years, and I created this big grit and so

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, over the last couple of

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Speaker 2: I just be Jay Glazer, you know, and be happy

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Speaker 5: That was the number one thing I had identified at

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Speaker 5: kai and the executive, the GM, the fun guy, right

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Speaker 5: and essentially lazy. I was wearing a mask. And that's

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Speaker 4: You can be the fun guy, you can be entertaining.

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Speaker 5: Yet at the same time, there were parts of me

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Speaker 5: You know, was sensitive and I can cry it, you know,

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Speaker 5: certain things. But no, you're this tough guy, You're the glaze,

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Speaker 5: You're you know, You're Steve Kime you're the executive the year,

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Speaker 5: It's wearing a mask, is what I call it throughout

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Speaker 3: And I can tell you from knowing you.

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Speaker 2: And I think, I don't know if I've said this

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Speaker 2: a lot of your friends.

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Speaker 3: We've talked about it.

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Speaker 2: We love Steve Kahm way more than we love that

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Speaker 2: what's going on here?

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Speaker 4: Same thing.

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Speaker 2: That's the dude we love. But you're you're a very

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Speaker 3: You are man, I.

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Speaker 2: Know anytime I call someone, your fucking ass will be

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Speaker 2: the most. And I hope you realize that that don't

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Speaker 5: That's that's been one of the fun refreshing things about

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Speaker 5: You know, it's it's less stressful, it's everything's certainly more authentic,

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Speaker 3: What as a general manager, what are the most stressful.

440
00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,159
Speaker 2: Things that you realize, Oh, man, this I need to

441
00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,960
Speaker 2: drink because of this, or I got to do you know,

442
00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,200
Speaker 2: the things that really drove you the craziest and really

443
00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,160
Speaker 2: kind of tacked you from the inside out.

444
00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,160
Speaker 5: Well, the general manager is a tough position because you know, listen, Jay,

445
00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,000
Speaker 5: you and I both want to be liked. Everybody wants

446
00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,040
Speaker 5: to be liked. To be a general manager in the

447
00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,960
Speaker 5: National Football League, I would have to say you definitely

448
00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,920
Speaker 5: are not the kind of person that wants to win

449
00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,119
Speaker 5: a popularity contest because half the time the players are

450
00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,399
Speaker 5: not happy with you because of the contracts you have

451
00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,760
Speaker 5: to deal with coaches contracts, so they're not always happy

452
00:17:58,800 --> 00:17:59,120
Speaker 5: with you.

453
00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,880
Speaker 4: You want to try to make the are happy, which

454
00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,000
Speaker 4: is not always easy to do.

455
00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,720
Speaker 5: You want to make sure the coaches are happy with

456
00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,639
Speaker 5: the players you're giving them, which is not easy to do.

457
00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,960
Speaker 5: And everybody's underpaid and most people don't have enough director

458
00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,919
Speaker 5: levered titles. They're not getting pushed up the ranks as fast,

459
00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,240
Speaker 5: so you're never really in a position where you feel

460
00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,080
Speaker 5: like you know you're a likable guy. You got to

461
00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,760
Speaker 5: make a lot of tough decisions and have to deal

462
00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,480
Speaker 5: with a lot of conflict, and it's extremely stressful. I

463
00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,080
Speaker 5: mean the kind of things again that keep you up

464
00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,600
Speaker 5: at night because of the decisions you have to make ultimately,

465
00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,479
Speaker 5: which can affect people's livelihoods. I mean, whether you're having

466
00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,600
Speaker 5: to let people go, those sort of things. But at

467
00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,000
Speaker 5: the same time, you know like it is it's a

468
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,520
Speaker 5: tough position because again you're trying to make everybody happy,

469
00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,719
Speaker 5: and that can't be the mindset that you have. You

470
00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,120
Speaker 5: have to do what's best for your organization moving forward.

471
00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,440
Speaker 2: For people out there or No, it's not just about

472
00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,080
Speaker 2: getting players. Like basically, you got to now deal with

473
00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,320
Speaker 2: every single thing in that building comes across your desk,

474
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,800
Speaker 2: so family issues, agent issues, marketing issues.

475
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,359
Speaker 3: You find out the crux of what make people go of.

476
00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,320
Speaker 2: Everybody in that villain so as like a like that,

477
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,360
Speaker 2: you find out everybody fucked up, right, you find out

478
00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:03,960
Speaker 2: how fucked.

479
00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,640
Speaker 3: Up everybody really is and you got to deal with it.

480
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,159
Speaker 2: And you know, as a GM, it's not like you

481
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,600
Speaker 2: went to school fish, there's no there's no guidebook. Hey,

482
00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,399
Speaker 2: how do I deal with this guy coming in saying

483
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,800
Speaker 2: that man his wife just cheating on him, but but

484
00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:16,959
Speaker 2: she's extorting them for this amount.

485
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,960
Speaker 3: That's right, there's no there's no guidebook for this stuff.

486
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,240
Speaker 4: No doubt, And that's what I did.

487
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,480
Speaker 5: I mean, Jay listen as soon as the press conference

488
00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:24,880
Speaker 5: was over.

489
00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,000
Speaker 4: It was so funny that.

490
00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 5: Press conference in twenty thirteen when they named me general manager.

491
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,640
Speaker 5: It was so funny because it's like my whole life

492
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,960
Speaker 5: I had worked to become the general manager, right, And

493
00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,800
Speaker 5: I remember walking up to my office and.

494
00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,880
Speaker 4: Putting my head in my hands, going, what the fuck

495
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:40,640
Speaker 4: do I do? Now?

496
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 5: There's no there's no book, right, there's there's no there's

497
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,840
Speaker 5: no uh, there's there's nothing that tells you what to

498
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,960
Speaker 5: do in those situations. But then you just sort of

499
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,720
Speaker 5: have to fly by the seat of your pants and

500
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,880
Speaker 5: and and do what you know is is uh sort

501
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 5: of expected. Next, which luckily for me, was Bruce Arians

502
00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 5: and Carson Palmer, which led to Good Run for five years.

503
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 3: Would you say it was a just to drink it

504
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,920
Speaker 3: on the night meads or there more?

505
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 4: No, it was the nightments.

506
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 5: It was as well as those Xanax and the ambient,

507
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,240
Speaker 5: which again I don't want to speak out of turn,

508
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 5: but the people with the Meadows, they make it sound

509
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:15,480
Speaker 5: like that those drugs are worse than street drugs, whether

510
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:16,160
Speaker 5: it's you.

511
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 4: Know, marijuana, heroin, cocaine.

512
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 5: They make it sound like those drugs like Xanax and

513
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,679
Speaker 5: ambient are really really problems.

514
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:23,880
Speaker 4: So are you.

515
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 2: Still battling these Did you say you have another control

516
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:27,680
Speaker 2: or you haven't.

517
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 4: I haven't even used Inx or Ambient since the meadows?

518
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,959
Speaker 3: Great, right, So this guy who's now gone through all this.

519
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 2: What would you say to Steve Kahan in your last

520
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 2: year at the Cardinals, who's kind of going off the rails.

521
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 3: When it first started.

522
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, I think number one, try to find

523
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,439
Speaker 5: healthier ways to approach adversity and stress. But again, in

524
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,719
Speaker 5: those moments, it's easier said than done. You know, sometimes

525
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 5: sometimes too j when you ask about being a general manager,

526
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 5: some of the tough decisions you had to make right

527
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 5: and the stress that came onto your plate, there were

528
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 5: times where almost you felt alone too.

529
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 4: You know, sometimes in.

530
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,120
Speaker 5: Life you have buddies that you can sort of sort

531
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,199
Speaker 5: of circle up with and vent. You know, there's some

532
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,439
Speaker 5: big decisions and private decisions you have to make that

533
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 5: are stressful that you have to do alone in this business,

534
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,160
Speaker 5: and you really can't invent to somebody else. You can't

535
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 5: talk to anybody else. You can't you can't worry about

536
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,120
Speaker 5: how you feel, and that puts you in a tough predicament.

537
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 4: I think, what what are you also?

538
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 2: Just you just mentioned there's healthier ways to deal with

539
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: that stress. What are some of these healthier ways that

540
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 2: you've now learned?

541
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 5: Certainly exercise, meditating, that's the one thing we did at

542
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:29,479
Speaker 5: the meadows.

543
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 4: We did a lot of meditating, We did a lot

544
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 4: of whether it.

545
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 5: Was different forms of yoga, just a lot of a

546
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 5: lot of self help stuff, which are breeding techniques. I mean,

547
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 5: some of the breeding techniques that I learned there were phenomenal.

548
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 2: Uh.

549
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,880
Speaker 5: I mean the point where Jack, even with my lack

550
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 5: of patients, even standing in a grocery line and almost

551
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 5: losing my shit, where I have to, like, I have

552
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 5: a word like Cabo, Cabo, Cabo, and I can say

553
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 5: in my mind and just sort of chill out and

554
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 5: sort of realized, Listen, you're in a line at a

555
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 5: grocery store.

556
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 2: Relax, it's okay, right. What advice would you give other

557
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 2: general managers now if you can call them now? Now

558
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: people are going to see this and go, oh, now

559
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 2: we understand what's going on with Steve, and I would

560
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: hope that you could be of service to them. So, hey, man,

561
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 2: I got some advice for you here. What, yeah, what

562
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 2: would you tell these guys?

563
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think number one, I think you

564
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 5: could you can identify this as well as I can.

565
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 5: I think that there's a number of our friends who

566
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,239
Speaker 5: are out there doing the job that are going through

567
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,959
Speaker 5: a lot of similar type things.

568
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure I wasn't alone.

569
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 5: I can only tell you what I went through myself.

570
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 5: But these guys have tough lives. They go through a

571
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 5: lot of stuff. And I think more than anything is

572
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 5: to be able to ask for help and to be

573
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 5: able to identify more than anything Jay like anything else,

574
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 5: And the hardest part is identifying and to put yourself

575
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 5: in a predicament where you can identify and you can

576
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 5: be vulnerable enough, to vulnerable enough to ask for help

577
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 5: and to know it's okay to say I have a problem,

578
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 5: would you go?

579
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: You know, one of the things I always talk to

580
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 2: teams about this man taking there your therapist. I was

581
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: telling you back then too, bank ghost talk to your therapists, right,

582
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 2: but a therapist in the building, and they only have

583
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: to be there three days a week, which is you know,

584
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: and it needs to be I think in my opinion,

585
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: eventually the NFL has to evolve where you have several therapists,

586
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: just like you have several strength coaches, several trainers, all that.

587
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 3: Several there, but they're tucked.

588
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: Away in the back of the building like it's almost

589
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: like taboo to go if you were to be a right,

590
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: if you were to be a gam again, what would

591
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: you do to make a different where it's not so

592
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: taboo to go talk to that therapist again.

593
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 5: I want everybody to know that instead of what we've

594
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 5: been taught our whole lives, don't show your pain.

595
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 4: Be tougher. It's the complete opposite.

596
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 5: You're more of a man when you're more vulnerable, when

597
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 5: you're more open, when you're more open to sort of

598
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 5: battling your demons, because again, that's the only way you're

599
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:36,719
Speaker 5: going to fix it.

600
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 4: And that's the cool thing in life.

601
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 5: You know.

602
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 4: If they say the cool thing in life is to

603
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 4: you know, well, that's not to blow.

604
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 5: All these things that are so hard to talk about off.

605
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 5: The cool thing is is to talk about them. And

606
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 5: once you learn how to be able to be vulnerable

607
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 5: and talk about things openly, you learn how quickly you

608
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 5: can heal, because you won't be able to heal if

609
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 5: you won't.

610
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny you're talking about being an

611
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 2: open and vulnerable and we're taught not to show it.

612
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: I'm the living contradiction to this, because you know, I

613
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: opened my MMA program, you know, Breakable Mma fifteen years ago,

614
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 2: whatever it was, it just becoll mma athletics. We've trained

615
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 2: all these players, right, and how my gym Unbreakable and

616
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 2: our whole mindset there is.

617
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 3: Man, you don't show it. You don't show it.

618
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: If I'm hurt, if I'm tired, You'll never fucking know, right,

619
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: I don't fighters, don't take a stool in between rounds.

620
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: You fuck up my arm. I ain't gonna fucking let

621
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: you know. And here I am now coming out with

622
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: Unbreakable for the podcast and my book, and I am

623
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 2: now preaching the exact opposite of.

624
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 3: Everything that I coach in sports.

625
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 2: Man be vulnerable, show it, make sure what he knows,

626
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 2: and man it's They could both be accurate, But what

627
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 2: we now have to do is really separate them.

628
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 3: You know, one is for your job, the other ones

629
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 3: for life.

630
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

631
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 5: I mean, here we are two guys who we think

632
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 5: are pretty tough guys right on the surface, you know.

633
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 5: At the same time, here we are talking about how

634
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 5: cool showing our weakness is.

635
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 3: No as vulnerability. It's not our weakness.

636
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 4: Yeah no, no, no, I'm saying.

637
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 5: But the old Steve, the old JA, the old mindset

638
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 5: on set of most is now I'm showing a weakness.

639
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 4: It's not a weakness.

640
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 2: Right in sports, and that in sports, Okay, you can

641
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: look at it that way. You look at it, hey,

642
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 2: if you show your tired hates I never like to

643
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 2: use the term weakness anymore because of this, but it's

644
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: more of the Hey, it's my job to break you.

645
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 3: So if you don't know I'm tired or hurt, you'll

646
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 3: never know.

647
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 2: But it's the same time, if we, yeah, we don't

648
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: show it in life, we're going to end up breaking

649
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: in life.

650
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm trying to do now.

651
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: Is really I still coach the one way, but now

652
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: I tell guys, hey, guys, this is just for your competition.

653
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: This is for your sport or your fight. I need

654
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: you to do the complete opposite in life. If we

655
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: want to be happiness, to build ourselves from the inside out.

656
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 4: And exactly right.

657
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 3: And it's a different world we live in nowt too.

658
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: Because back in the day, when you made a decision

659
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 2: to you don't have a million people on social media

660
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: telling you what a dumb shit you are.

661
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 3: You just had, you know, a couple of reporters, a

662
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 3: couple of.

663
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 2: Guys in your building, but not the whole world and

664
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 2: we're set to people and ship bouts.

665
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 4: Exuckly, right exactly.

666
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 5: I know you're sitting here worried about the guy living

667
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 5: in his mom's basement, talking about what.

668
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 4: A shitty job you've done? Right, what does this world

669
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 4: come to?

670
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: And it affects us, It does all those you know,

671
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 2: every social media post, it still carries the same weight.

672
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: You don't know who it is.

673
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: It's still And just because we're successful folks, doesn't mean

674
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 2: our feelings curtly less that sensitive.

675
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 3: It's fucked. My feelings hurt easily. Yes, absolutely right.

676
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 5: And you know it's funny, Jay, because over the years,

677
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 5: you know, being close with you, you know you taught me

678
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 5: that and you showed me that. But there's a real

679
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 5: and this is to be straight honest with you, there

680
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 5: is a real fine line in my opinion and your

681
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 5: ability to finally let go, you know what I mean.

682
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 5: It's like you you can preach and you can tell me,

683
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 5: and you can give me great advice about being open

684
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 5: and vulnerable and all those different things which you have

685
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 5: done over the years, but until you get to your

686
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 5: breaking point, until you get to a point where you

687
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 5: can identify and acknowledge your problems. It's really hard to

688
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 5: let go because you're still going to be guarded. Well,

689
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 5: explain that more, Like, for example, you know, over the years,

690
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 5: it was easy to hear you say here's what you

691
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 5: need to do, or here's what helps me with my

692
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 5: mental health issues, or here's some things I've learned along

693
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 5: the way. Yeah, listen, I can and I can take

694
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 5: all that in and I can, I can learn from it,

695
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 5: learn from it. But can I really really adopt and

696
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 5: live by those terms until I acknowledge, until you know

697
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 5: what I'm telling until I'm ready to let go. You

698
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 5: you can't hold back anymore.

699
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 4: You can't.

700
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: You can't.

701
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 4: You can't stick.

702
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 5: Your toe halfway in the water and be like, you

703
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 5: know what, I'm doing some things to make myself better.

704
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fine, but you're not. You're not committing your

705
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 4: whole entire self to it.

706
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: I think it was great for you also, Steve, like

707
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: what's helped me.

708
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 2: Also as being of service and you being open vulnerable

709
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: like this now and yeah I think you do you know,

710
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: help out your others who are trying to get in

711
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 2: this position.

712
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: I think that'll that'll give you some freedom as well.

713
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 4: I mean again, as you and I talk.

714
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 5: Could I ever imagine coming on this program like yours,

715
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 5: uh to talk about these kind of issues. I would

716
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 5: have never ever could put myself in this position. How

717
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 5: do you feel now that you've done it?

718
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 4: Completely relieved?

719
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 5: And and And that's funny because when I when I

720
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 5: walked into the room to do it, I felt that

721
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 5: sort of non anxiety but sort of that a little

722
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 5: bit of excitement actually to be able to tell my story.

723
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 4: And you're hopefully and hopefully my story helps.

724
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 5: Someone else along the lines with as many lives as

725
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 5: you saved. You know, maybe somebody else out there, maybe

726
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 5: another general manager, maybe another athlete, can say, you know what,

727
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 5: here's just another guy that has had his issues along

728
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 5: the way and was able to talk about it and

729
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 5: to be open and honest.

730
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: I love that.

731
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 2: You know what people you say to me all the time, Hey,

732
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 2: if you say one person, it's enough.

733
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: And I used to be like, no, it's not.

734
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: And you know what it is. It's one of the

735
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: things that have to come really because I am so

736
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 2: driven and I am guilt ridden by things. And I

737
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: used to look at it like, who have I'm not helped?

738
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: Instead of who have I helped? So it's one of

739
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: the things.

740
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: Just you know, also I've had to work with is

741
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: given myself that grace of hey no wait wait wait

742
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: wait wait.

743
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

744
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: If I have helped one person, because I don't know

745
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 2: the ripple effect there, that person may have helped a

746
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: ton of people also, So I want you to.

747
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: Give yourself that grace too. One person here is this

748
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: you help them? Man? What you will? You absolutely will?

749
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: You could? You can put that on your resume life

750
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: from the big picture.

751
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and it's still every days of challenges,

752
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 4: you know. I mean it's you know, there's still days

753
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 4: Jay that you still go through that. It's you know,

754
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 4: you still have to remind yourself.

755
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 5: I can forgive myself, you know, because I do live

756
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 5: with a lot of guilt and shame.

757
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

758
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: Well what are you doing to get over that, guilden Champ.

759
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 3: You're still going to therapy m as soon?

760
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 4: Yeah? Right? Yeah? What else?

761
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 5: Good?

762
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: No, just just continuing to just do again.

763
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 5: Healthy hobbies in life, whether it's I just got my

764
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 5: knee replaced so a week ago, so that's that that

765
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 5: was a huge thing for me because that was also

766
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 5: another thing that when you're carrying that kind of physical pain,

767
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 5: that that can also attribute to some of these problems.

768
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 4: So that was another step in the right direction.

769
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: Well, I'm pridy you for coming on.

770
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: I want to switch gears here, and you know, we

771
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: do have the draft coming up here and talk to

772
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: some other things before before I before I do that

773
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: though obviously your old team, they got a whole bunch

774
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: of stuff going on here, your owner and Tarry McDonough

775
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: and yeah, tell me what your your thoughts are on

776
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: all that.

777
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 5: It's just unfortunate to me, you know, because again, as

778
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 5: I said, stress that I carried that I was trying

779
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 5: to keep people happy in every sort of compartment, and

780
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 5: that really would tear at you whenever you knew that

781
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 5: people couldn't get along, and there were things that went

782
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 5: on behind the scenes that maybe only I knew about

783
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 5: or some others knew about that they were they were

784
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 5: just tough to to, you know, to know that I

785
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 5: couldn't fix certain things, because I always felt like I

786
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 5: was the kind of guy that my mentality was always,

787
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 5: you know, be part of the solution, not part of

788
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 5: the problem, and keep everybody's attitude in the right direction,

789
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 5: and roll your sleeves up at the door and check

790
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 5: your ego there and that sort of thing. But it's unfortunate.

791
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 5: You know, we had a good run, and you know,

792
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 5: I'm still rooting for the organization because again a lot

793
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 5: of people that I care about.

794
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: All right, So on draft week and people, I think

795
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: people think you guys have your pick set like weeks

796
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: and events. I always trying to tell no, it's not that,

797
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: it's not how they do it. Tell me what you

798
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: guys did you do your When did you get your

799
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: board set?

800
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 4: Generally about three days before the draft? Okay, smoke, I.

801
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: Want you hear that three days before the draft. So

802
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: every time you hear that, somebody has it, oh man,

803
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: they're they're locked in at twenty at this guy, and

804
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: they say it in February. They're not fucking locked in

805
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: on February.

806
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 5: And in February, when you think a guy's going to

807
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 5: be there, twenty usually goes about eight.

808
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: Right right, right, right right, all right?

809
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: So tell me how the yeah kind of layout the

810
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: week of if you will. So do you guys like

811
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: take that final weekend off and then.

812
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 5: Take the final weekend off when you come back that

813
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 5: week and essentially your board is put together. Then to me,

814
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 5: I think most teams are doing it the same way

815
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 5: in terms of ranking players one through say one twenty

816
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 5: or two hundred for that particular team, that you would

817
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 5: take these players in that particular order.

818
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: If the draft slid like that, and you.

819
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 5: Know now all of a sudden, it makes it pretty

820
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 5: easy that you've already had these conversations between number three

821
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 5: and number four on your board, and all of a sudden,

822
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 5: you're the eleventh pick in the draft and.

823
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 4: Those two players are there.

824
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 5: People don't get excited because the hard part on draft

825
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 5: day is to not allow the emotions to get ahead

826
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 5: of you, you know, to be able to say, listen,

827
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 5: we did the work, We've had these conversations, and there's

828
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 5: a logical reason why we're making this decision right. And

829
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 5: that can be tough because because the momentum, those rooms

830
00:31:59,360 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 5: can get crazy.

831
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 4: You own draft day.

832
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: So you know, I was in a room one time.

833
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: I was in there with the Saints years ago, years here,

834
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: Jim Hossett was head coach and Saints this was a

835
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: later round pick.

836
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 3: They still had a guy on the board who's like.

837
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: Number eight, but they had all these freaking red flags

838
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: and this year time they.

839
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: Know, man, we bring him into our room.

840
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: It's he's in a funck our place up, but he's

841
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: the eighth best player on our entire board. Talk about

842
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: that like it's still I understand because it's it's an

843
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: ultimate risk award, so I understand the talent ed of it.

844
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: But if you do have a million red marks in

845
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: a guy, oh doesn't really matter where what point the

846
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: room up exactly?

847
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 4: Have you seen those those draft cards? They essentially look like,

848
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 4: you know, like a Christmas tree lit up in different colors.

849
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 5: You know, there's blue, there's red dots, ors yellow dots, and.

850
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: And there's a goal for guys you don't want to

851
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: go near right exactly, huge reds.

852
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 5: Perfect example for that was for me was I think

853
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 5: we were picking with the twenty six or twenty eighth

854
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 5: draft pick that year and we select Robert Kimdci. Robert

855
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 5: Kimdici was I mean, essentially from a skill set and

856
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 5: a talent standpoint, one of the top couple of players

857
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 5: in the draft. But there was a list of a

858
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 5: mile long of red flag as it came with him.

859
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 5: And it's sort of one of those deals that always

860
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 5: taught me in my later years. The red flag is there,

861
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 5: and it's not only there, but it's with a like

862
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 5: blinking light at you avoid, avoid, avoid. But that's the

863
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 5: hardest part, man, is we get so enamored with these

864
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 5: physical tools and the talent, and then you bring in

865
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 5: coaches into some of these discussions, and these guys can

866
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 5: coach anybody. You know, these guys, I can get this guy,

867
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 5: get this guy right. Well that's interesting. How come the

868
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 5: fifteen coaches before you could get him right? But you're

869
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 5: going to be able to coach right, you know. Then

870
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 5: our defensive line coach said during the draft meetings, I said, listen,

871
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 5: Robert's got these issues.

872
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 4: I'm concerned.

873
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 5: I said, if we take this guy, we've got to

874
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 5: be committed to obviously you know, the process and getting

875
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 5: him too, in every category with Robert personally, professionally, everything.

876
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 5: And the defensive line coach said, if we take this guy,

877
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 5: he can live in my basement.

878
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 4: Right.

879
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 5: That same defensive line, That same defensive line coach brought

880
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 5: Robert into my office the next year and said, I

881
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 5: can't coach this fucking guy.

882
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: Really, yes? And I sat back and I said, what

883
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 4: happened to your basement? We must have had a flood.

884
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 4: You talk about stressing a general manager.

885
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 5: You just took a guy in the first round, and

886
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 5: everybody said, listen, I will adopt this kid.

887
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: I will, I.

888
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 5: Will make sure he gets the class right. And all

889
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 5: of a sudden, a year later, I can't fucking coach.

890
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 4: You wonder why I'm stressed out?

891
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: So then so we go, let's go back you put

892
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: you come back in on Monday, let's say right now,

893
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: and your boards set right, and then so then what

894
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 2: happens that, what kind of wrestling match happens from there?

895
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 3: Or what's your next steps leading up to the drums

896
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: next three or four days.

897
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, you'll you'll generally get within our next people, and

898
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 5: you'll you'll sort of generate some different mock drafts that

899
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 5: takes you through a bunch of different scenarios, not only

900
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 5: scenarios where that pick falls a certain way, but then

901
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 5: also trade possibilities.

902
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: Are you one of the teams that used to have

903
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: do everybody sit around the table they're all different teams,

904
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: or you just use a computer help it. I know

905
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: a lot of people have you know, everybody has a

906
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: mock draft and they kind of compare it together.

907
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: What do you do? What did you guys do?

908
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 5: Early on, we went around the room with all our

909
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 5: coaches and scouts prior to the draft and allow them

910
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 5: to be different teams. It became really unrealistic because then

911
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 5: those people started picking guys that they liked and it

912
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 5: wasn't realistic to the order. So then we started to

913
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 5: generate more analytics based lists off of say guys like

914
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 5: yourself or Daniel Jeremia's mock draft or somebody else that

915
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 5: is reputable that you think could could potentially happen.

916
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: I don't do mock drafts.

917
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 4: I never have, you know why because you know the picks?

918
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, could you tell me who you can fucking take it?

919
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: You go, but glades, you can't say anything. So if

920
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: I can't say anything, I'm not going to betray you.

921
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: But I'm also not going to.

922
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 4: Lie to the fans, that's right.

923
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: So I can't put somebody out there that I know

924
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 2: I'm alloting the fans. So years ago I stopped doing

925
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: mock draft. I'm like, man, these guys and then you know,

926
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: people right don't understand my involvement in this.

927
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: Or my uh as an insider too.

928
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: A lot of these guys will reach out to me

929
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: and go, hey, this is who we want. Can we

930
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: get him there, or do we have to move You've

931
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: done that with me. Do we have to move this

932
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: way or that way?

933
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 4: Right?

934
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 3: And yeah, And I've got coaches.

935
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: Send players for me to train, to see if I

936
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: could break them and see how they are and see

937
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: if they're gonna be able to see if they're gonna

938
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: pop off on their coaches.

939
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 4: It's been by the way, by the way, sometimes sometimes

940
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 4: you would like to bear bad news. You know.

941
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 5: It could be like I'm sitting there and I'm like, please,

942
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 5: we're picking a thirty eight and round two. You know,

943
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, this's just oh.

944
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 4: He's not going to be there.

945
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 3: I'm like some shot. I'm like, Steve, you got no chance.

946
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: But at the same time, also, look, I.

947
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: Trained a guy years ago, and I'm like, Steve, this guy,

948
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: he's a receiver, movement tight end. He's a great human man,

949
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: and Steve ended up styning him on my recommendation.

950
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 3: He should have gotten like the fifth round.

951
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: But you're like, hey, if anything else glaze, I will

952
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: I'll sign an undrafted free agent. I think he's still

953
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: in the league, right, eight years right, he's still in

954
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: I think he's still in the league. But that's yeah,

955
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: He's had a long career and I couldn't get anybody

956
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: to take a look at him except for you, and

957
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: I think Minnesota, and I'm like, God, im trend this

958
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 2: guy for three or four months. I'm telling you he'll

959
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: be a pro for a long time. I think he

960
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: wants to be great. You know what I deal with him, man,

961
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: I ended up having him coach my son, because what

962
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: I've learned, if you teach me something and I coach

963
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: and teaching somebody else, I pick it up fast with

964
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: my ADHD and most of these times got ADHD. So

965
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 2: if you do that, I'm like, hey, Ricky, you know, hey,

966
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna help Sammy out here. So if you teach

967
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: Sammy that like I want you to teach you Samy

968
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: when I taught you and he would just pick it up.

969
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: And you know, we we can all learn in a

970
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: different way. Just gonna find out those ways that you learn.

971
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 4: But no question, but.

972
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 3: That was good.

973
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: But I'm like trying to hit you in like the

974
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: second round, Go get him, Go get him. You're like

975
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: I'm using a second.

976
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 3: Round or out him? Glaze? When did the call start

977
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: coming for trades?

978
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 5: That?

979
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: Are you really know? Okay? I could really have a

980
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: dance partner.

981
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 5: Honestly, you get some prior to the draft if they're

982
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 5: going to be real players in the first round, but

983
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 5: generally not till you're on the clock.

984
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: You don't have like frameworks done well.

985
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 4: I should say.

986
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 5: You know, when you're five picks away from your pick,

987
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 5: you know, then you start calling teams, Hey, you know,

988
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 5: we see you have this pick considered. Uh, you know

989
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 5: thirty eight or you know, one fifty two and one

990
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 5: fifty six?

991
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: Would you trade it for Hollywood Brown? How did that? Like,

992
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: when do those talks start?

993
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 4: That happened night before the draft.

994
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: Night before it was you they calling you.

995
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 5: I had called er at Tacosta right around the combine

996
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 5: time because I started to think to myself that I

997
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 5: wasn't going to be able to get a real receiver

998
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 5: in that draft. At you know, I think we had

999
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 5: the twenty fourth pick, and uh, I was right, because

1000
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 5: they all went off the board prior to twenty four.

1001
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 5: Eric said no, and the Ravens maintained no for quite

1002
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 5: some time until the night before the draft, and I

1003
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 5: think Hollywood put some pressure on them that he wanted

1004
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 5: out of there, and they decided to allow him to go.

1005
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: Was that the only receiver you were locked in trying

1006
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: to get or are there others?

1007
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 5: I know we looked, we had looked in this couple

1008
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 5: other receivers, but obviously his relationship with Kylo was big,

1009
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 5: and the fact that he was a speed guy, which

1010
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 5: we did not have speed at the time with de

1011
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 5: Hoppy and our ex receiver.

1012
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: Was there any you got any funny trade stories that

1013
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: almost happened but didn't.

1014
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 5: Well, you know, the d hop trade was the funniest

1015
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 5: story just because it happened during the pandemic, So it

1016
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 5: was like me and Bill O'Brien did that trade and Hopkins? Yeah, yeah,

1017
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 5: we did that trade. You know, right before free agency started.

1018
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember this, but the pandemic

1019
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 5: happened and they stopped all of free agent travel, so

1020
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 5: they shut down free agency. So essentially me and Bill

1021
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 5: had agreed to this trade, which nobody knew other than

1022
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 5: Ownership and myself and Bill O'Brien. So every day I'm

1023
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 5: waking up. You know, first of all, during that period

1024
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 5: of time, you couldn't go to the office, so I'm

1025
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 5: like laying in my pool hanging out thinking myself when

1026
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 5: I really trade for DeAndre Hopkins and we couldn't consummate

1027
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 5: the trade until we got a physical on both him

1028
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 5: and David Johnson are running back.

1029
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 4: Well, that was a huge issue obviously.

1030
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 5: So the whole time, I'm thinking to myself, at some

1031
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 5: point in time, when they find out that the Texans

1032
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 5: are trading DHAP, they're going to murder Bill O'Brien right,

1033
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 5: and then he's gonna get then he's gonna get cold

1034
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 5: feat and he's gonna pull out of this this trade.

1035
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 4: But obviously good things.

1036
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 5: Happened never happened, and we were able to consummate the

1037
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 5: deal and they didn't eventually allow these guys to get physicals.

1038
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 3: I do have one.

1039
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: Funny draft story trade story is our good virtual friend

1040
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: Frank Caliendo one time calls you as Gruden trying to

1041
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: trade right for Kyler Murray and offering Quinn Williams, and

1042
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: then called you as me that I had heard the

1043
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: story right on draft day.

1044
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 4: Rank's a man of many hats.

1045
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: It was unbelievable though, sounds like both of us.

1046
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 4: And he did, and I said, I told him, I man,

1047
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 4: I see you know. For you to interfere with my

1048
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 4: job like that, you are a real sick human.

1049
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 2: Just like, tell me the when you make that pick,

1050
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: that first pick, when you make that pick, is it

1051
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: utter joy?

1052
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: Is it anxiety? Is it both? What's the emotion when.

1053
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: You call a kid and say, hey, you're now we're

1054
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: choosing you in the first row.

1055
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 5: I think it's a little bit of everything. I think

1056
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 5: it's anxiety. I think it's it's fear. I think it's excitement.

1057
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 5: And generally, you know, I would say probably most of

1058
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 5: the time the time, if you don't have the first

1059
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 5: pick in the draft, or even a top five pick,

1060
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 5: I think a lot of times you like the player

1061
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 5: enough to think you were probably a little bit shocked

1062
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 5: that he got to you, say, at fifteen, seventeen, twenty

1063
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 5: four or whatever it is. So you're pretty excited, But

1064
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 5: at the same time, you know it's a high pressure

1065
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 5: pick because obviously that should be the one that is

1066
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 5: a guaranteed starter. He's obviously a franchise type player, whether

1067
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 5: it's a quarterback.

1068
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 4: Or he's the real deal.

1069
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 5: He's a leader for your team when in reality, you

1070
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 5: know you run the analytics studies in forty nine percent

1071
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 5: of first round picks pusts right, which is humbling.

1072
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: Given the coolest call you've made. Done it for first

1073
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: round of anybody? Coolest call you made to tell somebody

1074
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: they've been drafted.

1075
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 5: Let me badger, Oh good tell because he was he

1076
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 5: was sitting in the third round. I had brought him

1077
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 5: in for a visit. So again, here's a guy with

1078
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 5: this should have been a top fifteen pick but obviously

1079
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 5: had his issues at LSU.

1080
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 4: I pick back then, yeah, yeah, yeah, how does issues

1081
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 4: at LSU?

1082
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 5: And and for me, the feelings that I had, it

1083
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 5: was my first draft as a general manager.

1084
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 4: So this is twenty thirteen, so here I.

1085
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 5: Am saying, there's no chance that I could ever take

1086
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 5: a chance on a guy like that my first draft

1087
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 5: as a GM, and it got to be the third round,

1088
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 5: and I got to know him personally and felt very

1089
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 5: comfortable with the person and the player, and felt like,

1090
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 5: you know, NFL football would be a real determ for

1091
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 5: him to not go back to make any mistakes.

1092
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 4: And it was. He's in a phenomenal job, had a

1093
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 4: great career.

1094
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 5: The call just itself, how emotional was the fact you

1095
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 5: know him cry and him promising he would not let

1096
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 5: us down and he certainly didn't.

1097
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: No no doubt, man, And you know, think back also

1098
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: how you evaluate guys. His problem was weed back then,

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Speaker 2: this is now a half the states. He's taken off

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Speaker 2: from my sports because of weed. My final question, brother,

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Speaker 2: and I'm really proud of you today. I asked this if

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Speaker 2: every guest, so I'll have to ask you to you

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Speaker 2: give me your unbreakable moment, that moment in your life.

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Speaker 2: It could be specific, whatever it is that could have

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Speaker 2: broken you and should.

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Speaker 3: Have and didn't.

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Speaker 2: As a result, you came through the other side of

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Speaker 2: that tunnel stronger forever.

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Speaker 5: The day I walked into the Meadows Treatment Center as

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Speaker 5: the general manager of the Arizona Cardinals, knowing that that

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Speaker 5: changed everything in my life, could have been for the good, bad,

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Speaker 5: or whatever anybody else thought about it. But when I

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Speaker 5: walked out that other end forty five days later, I

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Speaker 5: found out who Steve Kim was. I liked who he was.

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Speaker 5: I embraced the things that he did in the past.

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Speaker 5: I forgave him for the things he did in the past,

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Speaker 5: and more than anything, I found a way to love

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Speaker 5: them again.

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm proud of you.

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Speaker 2: That may be the I've been most proud of in

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Speaker 2: the history of doing this podcast.

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Speaker 4: Man, love you Man, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I see that lip quick and brother so great Crocker dude.

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Speaker 2: I'm proud of you, man, I'm really proudnant appreciate it,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and I cannot call you proud to call

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Speaker 2: you your friend. Brother man Hey, it's our equity is all

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Speaker 2: these changes that we make, man, and our experience we

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Speaker 2: go through.

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Speaker 3: I'm proud of Walkers. Walk with your brother, Steve Cott