1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and happy new Year, and for us, we 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: are hoping for better internet connections in twenty twenty six. 3 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Kyle Gibson and Lancelin, gentlemen, how are 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: you very good year? Happy new Year? We're still alloud 5 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: to say that, And it's our first show of the 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: new year, so let's make it a good one. And 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: I was thinking, not a lot has gone on in 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: terms of trades for the Cardinals or any moves, so 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: I put it out there to the folks that keep 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: us in business, the viewers and the listeners, and I 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: asked for some questions and we got a few good ones, 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: so I thought we'd start this edition with those questions. 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: And the first question is from Kendall and his question 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: is with the ABS Challenge system coming this year, what 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: are your thoughts on how it will affect the big moments? Also, 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: what is the team's strategy on one to use these challenges? 17 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: Love the podcast, guys, keep up the good work. We 18 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: love the compliments. So I'm gonna throw that one out 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: to you Kyle first, and how do you think So 20 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: as we know it now, it's going to be all 21 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: through the season and in the postseason, and you're gonna 22 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: have two challenges to the tap right, and if your 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: challenge is held up, then you keep it. If not, 24 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: you lose it. You get too How do you think 25 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: it's going to affect like a big moment? Strike three, 26 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,919 Speaker 1: that's the ball game, hold the phone, there's a tap. 27 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: I guess that's one of the questions is how will 28 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: it impact the big moments. 29 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna make certain big moments even better. 30 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I think you'll have certain strikeouts or certain 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: ball threes or ball fours turn into a strike. And 32 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: I think in the right moment, with the right delivery 33 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: on the jumbo tron, the crowd's gonna love it or 34 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: the crowd's gonna hate it, and you're going to hear groans, 35 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: you know, just experiencing a little bit last summer, just 36 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: in my in my stent in the minor leagues, it 37 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 2: goes quick. I think it's a good move to do. 38 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: The only thing I dislike about it is that because 39 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: you only get two challenges or three challenges, whatever they do. 40 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: I think the last part of Kendall's question is really 41 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: interesting is what is the team strategy. I think it's 42 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: slightly unfair to make this a strategy. You shouldn't have 43 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: to strategize how to get calls right. You know, you 44 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: should just be able to get them right as a player. 45 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: And I think each player should have their own challenge 46 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: for the game and you get to use it whenever 47 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: you want to use it, because I think or else 48 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: you're going to have if you have two for the game, 49 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: you're going to have parameters when you can actually make 50 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: sure a call is right or wrong, and I just 51 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: don't like that. I think you're going to have certain 52 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: players pressure to not use them. The manager's gonna have 53 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: certain restrictions when you can't use them, and then one 54 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 2: player is going to be kind of penalized versus the 55 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: other because if your closer gets to the ninth inning 56 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: and your seventh hole hitter use the challenge in the 57 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 2: second inning and messed it up, and then you use 58 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 2: another one in the fifth inning and mess it up, well, 59 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: then your closer doesn't have a challenge, So that would 60 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: be my only shift. I am not in favor of 61 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: rules that are going to pit players against each other, 62 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: and I think this is going to be one that 63 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: is going to make for a little bit of friction 64 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: because in really the in the big moments, a player 65 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: is not actually in charge of his own correct or 66 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: in correct call. 67 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: So a picture lance is looking out for the picture 68 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: side of things. But I think you can't just have 69 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: unlimited challenges because people will go berserk with it. So 70 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm on board with a couple. How do you look 71 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: at it and do first go ahead? 72 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: I'm not on board for unlimited I think I think 73 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: each player should just get their own and then if 74 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: you mess it up, you're out, and then you don't 75 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: get to do it again. I just think that, you know, 76 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: the youngest player on the team shouldn't never be allowed 77 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: to challenge because he's only got two years of service 78 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: time and he can't take a challenge from the ten 79 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: year vet who's really going to use it and knows 80 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: the strikes on a little bit better. I just I 81 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: don't like that idea. That's just my personal preference. And 82 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: it's that's so quick, Jim. It's not like it's a 83 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: ten second deal. This is like tap your hat you're 84 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: right or wrong, and you turn around and tell the 85 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 2: umpire sorry, or you just put your head down, whatever 86 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: it is. 87 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Like you move on. 88 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 4: Hey, that ten year vets don't know the strikes on 89 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 4: like you think they do either. I've seen Matt Carpenter 90 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 4: tell me that there's no way that's a strike. There's 91 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 4: no way, and he goes and looks it's in the 92 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 4: box and he goes it's still not a strike. So 93 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 4: it's going to be here's the truth matter. We want 94 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 4: strikes to be strikes and we want balls to be balls. 95 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 4: This is a way to get there full time. You know, 96 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 4: if we could have the automatic strikes on it at 97 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 4: all times, I think that would be great. But they're 98 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 4: not ready to go there yet. So I think this 99 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 4: is gonna be The strategy is use it for a 100 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 4: big moment. Big moment in the game Runners in second 101 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 4: and third you got the pitcher up against the wall, 102 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 4: blah blah blah, borderline pitch. You know, you take your time. 103 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 4: So I think it's gonna be good at times. And 104 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 4: I think you're gonna be at times where you're like, hey, 105 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 4: you know, there's gonna be teams that don't use it 106 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 4: in a way that you're you're kind of looking at 107 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 4: them to use it. I guess when you have a 108 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 4: three to two count, bases loaded, and a borderline pitch 109 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 4: gets called. I think everyone wants that pitch to be 110 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 4: right because it impacts the game. So I think that's 111 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 4: their thought process of this, but I think it could 112 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 4: go a lot of different directions. But I will say this, 113 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 4: no one liked the challenge system. No one liked the 114 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 4: NFL when they started doing instant replay. And the more 115 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,799 Speaker 4: you get calls right, the more happier people are because 116 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 4: the true outcome of the game is factored by the 117 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 4: players doing what they need to do in the call 118 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 4: getting right. So that's the main thing. Hopefully, one day 119 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 4: we get to where the strike zone is fully automated 120 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 4: each hitter from their knees to whatever their belly button 121 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 4: or whatever that might be the strike zone no matter 122 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 4: what their you know, their stances this or that. You know, 123 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 4: with all this AI and stuff like that, maybe one 124 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 4: day it will happen. But all in all, I think 125 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 4: it's gonna be a positive. But the more you can 126 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 4: sit there and wait for a game to end, if 127 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 4: it's a strike three that they're challenging and stuff like that, 128 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 4: it's just gonna make more suspense and fans are gonna 129 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 4: love it. If it goes well for him, they're gonna 130 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 4: hate it if it goes against him. I like the idea, Kyle. 131 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 4: Everybody gets their own. So when you're on the scoreboard, 132 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 4: you get a they get an X through them. They're 133 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 4: out of challenges for that day, you know. So it's like, hey, 134 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 4: you don't get one. You got xed out. 135 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: Brother, Nice try I can hear it now, though I 136 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: can hear it now. In the postgame, Jim walks into 137 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: the locker room. He goes up to Lance and he says, Hey, Lance, 138 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 2: wouldn't it have been nice in the sixth inning if 139 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 2: you could have challenged that to to strike call that 140 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: ended up leading to a walk? But you know, so 141 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: and so you guys had ran out of challenges. And 142 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 2: then Lance has to dodge that question because Jim's gonna 143 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: ask it, and Lance has. 144 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have got. 145 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 4: It right, if that dick would have got it right 146 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 4: the aning before I would have had a chance to 147 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 4: use it. You're right, Jim, That's what. 148 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: I see what I'm saying, Like, I don't I just 149 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: I don't like that situation. 150 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: I think it is going to happen that question will 151 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: be asked, wouldn't it have been nice to have a challenge. 152 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: It's gonna be asked, and I don't like it. 153 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: See, there is an unintended consequence that's running your guys wheelhouse. 154 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,239 Speaker 1: Say Kyle Gibson's pitching or Lance Linn. They go, well, 155 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: he's earned the benefit of the doubt on that strike 156 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: call because he's Lance Linn or Kyle Gibson. These guys 157 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: have commanded the strike zone. That's com com no more, 158 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: no more benefit of the doubt for veteran pitchers, veteran hitters. 159 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: Every levels the playing field. 160 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: Every borderline pitch is not challenged. I promise you just 161 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 2: the three weeks, four weeks I was down there this year, 162 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: Every borderline pitch is not challenged. They have an iPad 163 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: in the out and they see six or seven seconds 164 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: after ooh, we should have challenged that one. 165 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: Oh a good thing. 166 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: We didn't challenge it. Every borderline pitch is not challenged. 167 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: But if you give the players stuff like that, yes, 168 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: and if you give the player their discretion, who's to 169 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: say that a leadoff hit or the inning challenging a 170 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: strike call doesn't change the inning. That's where I think, like, oh, 171 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: save it for the big moment. Well, what if the 172 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: big moment never comes and you get to the sixth 173 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: inning and you're getting beat by six runs and it 174 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: would have really been nice to challenge that call in 175 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: the third inning to start a big inning. That's where 176 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: I think you just give the players their own and 177 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: let the players use it their own discretion. 178 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: All right. The next question we have is from Adam, 179 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of Cardinal fans as will 180 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: get closer to spring training and opening day, Adam asks 181 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: who should we expect to take the bump on opening Day? 182 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: Is it Libby? I know you guys are both Libby guys. 183 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: What do you think? 184 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 4: Don't know if the guy's on the team yet that's 185 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 4: going to take the pump opening day? Uh, that's my guess, 186 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 4: to be honest with you. I think that there's someone 187 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 4: that's going to be added that is going to be 188 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 4: between him and May. Would be my would be probably 189 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 4: be the guests that I go with. Obviously, that's gonna 190 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 4: be up to Ali and who he thinks can kind 191 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 4: of get the kick the season off to how they 192 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 4: you know, how they like it. But you know, I'm 193 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 4: going to go out and say either it's May or 194 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 4: the guys don't on the team. 195 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: Yet, Wow, would what do you think, Kyle? 196 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 3: I would say May, and I would agree. 197 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: I think there's still a chance that somebody's added, but 198 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: opening day starter, you know, unless you have a rotation 199 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: of veterans and you have a clear cut guy, it's 200 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: just it's it's a pretty cool process to go through 201 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 2: in spring training, pretty you know, every everybody wants to 202 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: do it, you know, And I think that's something that 203 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: is going to be a pretty big honor for whoever 204 00:09:58,920 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: it is. 205 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 3: And right now. 206 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: Maybe he's not on a team, but I'd say it's 207 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: it's probably Dustin May or if you've got a guy 208 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: that you know from last year it really was your 209 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: guy and you want to give him that give him 210 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: that nod as hey, you earned it from last year 211 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: and you've had a good spring, then you know that's 212 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: probably what it's going to be. But you know, if 213 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: I had to pick, it'd probably be May written. 214 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think as it stands out, I would go 215 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: with May with Libby in the discussion, depending how things 216 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: go at spring training. And I know you guys are 217 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: both Libby guys, Like I have a film, this could 218 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 1: be a really good year for libertur. 219 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, especially building up of what he did last year. 220 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 4: I mean, he put himself in a really good spot 221 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 4: last year to even go to the next level. People 222 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 4: don't understand how hard it is from what he did 223 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 4: minor leagues to starter, but then going from a reliever, uh, 224 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 4: you know the year before to starting all last year. 225 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 4: This is going to be his year to kind of 226 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 4: I think break out. I think you saw this stepping 227 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 4: stones two that last year with the good starts and 228 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 4: then learning how to deal with a full season and 229 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 4: navigating lineups and stuff like that, and then I think 230 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 4: this year is going to be another step. Obviously, you 231 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 4: need health and then you need to you know, he 232 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 4: needs to make sure he goes and grows on what 233 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 4: he did last year, and then make sure that the 234 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 4: things that might not have worked out well for him 235 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 4: last year figure out how to fine tune those. And 236 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 4: I'm positive him and Dusty have already kind of gone 237 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 4: over those and that's been kind of implemented this offseason 238 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 4: in his program. 239 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: We saw a lot of good from a last year, 240 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: didn't we. 241 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 242 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: I think it's probably also a time where not that 243 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: this is the last chance, but I think you get 244 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: to a certain point as a as a pitcher, when 245 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: you're bouncing back, starter, reliever that you just want to 246 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: know what your role is going to be and you know, 247 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: building back up and going back down. You know, you're 248 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: probably the time here for Libby to decide, all right, 249 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: you know, am I gonna be a starter here for 250 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: the next few years or is it best for my 251 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: career to be this you know, swing man that can 252 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: get high light bridge out said for multiple innings, uh, 253 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: simplify things and really being asked to have the pen 254 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 2: because I think we've seen those weapons are especially on 255 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: teams that needed in their bullpen. Those weapons can be 256 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: really big, you know, for a full length season and 257 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 2: into the into the playoffs. So I mean Trevor May 258 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: ended up doing that at one point with the Twins 259 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: where he had been bounced back and forth and he 260 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 2: finally told him, hey, guys, I'm coming back from Tom 261 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: of John and I want to be a reliever. I'm 262 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: done kind of going back and forth. So this might 263 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: be a time where you know, Libby has to make 264 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: that decision, you know, depending on how the year goes, 265 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 2: and hopefully it is as a starter, because I think 266 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: he has the ability to be really good. 267 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: I'm telling you what I've talked to Levy. He is 268 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: a starter. He wants to start. No question, all right. 269 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: Next question is from uh Becky, and Becky says, who 270 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: will be the opening day catcher and will it depend 271 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: on who was pitching? What do you think? 272 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 2: I think that you did not want to pronoun it's 273 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: our last name of Ucello, and you just went, I mean, 274 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: it's Ucello, Jim, That's what it is. 275 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: You know, because we're we're on a casual basis here, 276 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: it's all good. 277 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: I would say it's it's Herrera. 278 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: And it'll be interesting what they do with the backup 279 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 2: catcher spot. 280 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: I mean, I think Pedro is a really, really good. 281 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: Defensive catcher and so we'll see what they do there. 282 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: But I mean, I think until you have a few things, 283 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: you know, shaken out, I think you know, Avon's getting that, 284 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: you know, opening day nine, and I think his arm 285 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: is gonna be healthy, and you know that bad is 286 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: obviously an impact back and when it's behind the plate, 287 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: you know, and you're adding some defense and he keeps 288 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: getting better, you know, that becomes an impact player. 289 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 3: On the field. 290 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you think I think it's Von as 291 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 4: long as he can throw. Is if the arms good 292 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 4: to go, I think, and if he is at the 293 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 4: point where they don't love the way he's throwing the 294 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 4: ball coming off surgery, pay d h and then you 295 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 4: have another prike carry three if it goes to that route. 296 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 4: But I think all things point to Von being catch 297 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 4: the everyday catcher, you know, four out of four out 298 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 4: of six games type of type of stuff. With the 299 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 4: way he can hit, his ability to do the things 300 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 4: that he needs to do to be in every catcher. 301 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 4: Every day catcher are there now. It's for them. They 302 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 4: need him to take that next step to be reliable 303 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 4: to the pitching staff, to be able to throw out 304 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 4: base runners and stuff like that. And if he's capable 305 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 4: of doing that, you have something that every team really 306 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 4: really wants in a catcher and you have to give 307 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 4: him every opportunity to seize that right now. So health, 308 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 4: you know, health being number one thing. If he's one 309 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 4: hundred healthy in spring training going to the season, he's 310 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 4: probably your opening day and I don't think it matters 311 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 4: who's pitching anymore. He's he's going to catch the days 312 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 4: that he's supposed to catch. And then we're going from there, and. 313 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: Heim Bloom talk to Herrera about it. I was surprised. 314 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: Herrera said he's going to have the surgery in the 315 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: off season, which you had, and he said, Jims on 316 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: board with him catching because they did as you remember, 317 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: toy with him in the outfield just a little bit 318 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: because his bat is a difference maker and they want 319 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: to get it in the line up. So hopefully it 320 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: works out with him catching. Some signs that the Cardinals 321 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: may be headed in the right direction. 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Three catchers are in the Cardinals top six 348 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: and a nineteen year old Rhinel Rodriguez is number three 349 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: at a monster year last season, and two pitchers picked 350 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: up by hem Bloom via traits. So they bolstered the 351 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: pitching staff, given themselves some more depth. But when Baseball 352 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: America says that that farm system is the most improved 353 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: in Major League baseball? Kyle, is that a sign that 354 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: things are headed in the right direction, Maybe not impacting 355 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: the season ahead of us, but certainly for the future. 356 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: And already Lance Lynn is laughing, he's calling it a 357 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: tear down. 358 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I have a feeling I 359 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 2: know where lance Is going to go, so I'll just 360 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: go ahead and get ahead of it here and I 361 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 2: won't steal any material. But I think it's I think 362 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 2: it's a good thing. I think you always want to 363 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 2: have good players in your system because when you are 364 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: at this point where you're winning and you need a replacement, 365 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 2: you have good players that are going to be able 366 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: to come up there and be stop gaps and not 367 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 2: have a fall off whenever you're you know, Mason win 368 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: or weather Hold or somebody has a lot of Naggie 369 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 2: hamstring has to go down for a couple of weeks. 370 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 2: So I think think that's definitely a good thing. I 371 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: think it also bolsters opportunities to trade for players in 372 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: the middle of the season and use that prospect capital 373 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 2: to make your big leag grosster better. But I think, 374 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: as everybody knows, not every player in your minor league 375 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 2: system pans out. Not every prospect becomes a really good 376 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: big leaguer, and so you want to stockpilot as many 377 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: good players as possible and have the best chance of 378 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: of you know, having those guys pan out. And I 379 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 2: hate the statement playing the numbers, but you do have 380 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: to play the numbers, and you want to get as 381 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: many good players as possible because you just never know 382 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: what gonna happen as he's got to develop. 383 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: Now, Lams should probably have props, maybe a bulldozer in 384 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: the background, a sledge hammer, because I know what you're 385 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: gonna say, all right, as sure as a reset. But 386 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: they are you say, they are tearing it down. 387 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at everything that's gone, I mean, 388 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 4: we're one more guy away from being traded for the 389 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 4: for the teardown to you know, pretty much be there. 390 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 4: But it gives you currency, right, Prospects are currency. The 391 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 4: more high, higher valued prospects you have, the more currency 392 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 4: you have in baseball, and that gives you ways to 393 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 4: make your big league roster better, whether they become every 394 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 4: day big leaguers or you can use those guys to 395 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 4: get bona fide every day big leaguers. Like you said, 396 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 4: three of the top ten are catchers, right, and I 397 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 4: think your big league catching crew is pretty darn good 398 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 4: and they're young, so that's currency. There's a lot of 399 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 4: things that they can do with these guys, and some 400 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 4: of these guys are going to be there in the 401 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 4: near future. And even in your big league groster is 402 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 4: pretty young in the same time, So how are you 403 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 4: going to stagger these guys coming up? Who's a guy 404 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 4: that kind of doesn't fit because a guy ahead of 405 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 4: them that you like more, It plays his position, and 406 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 4: then what's his value to get you a guy or 407 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 4: get you certain pieces to fill in the positions that 408 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 4: you are weaker at. So all in all, it's a 409 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 4: positive when you have a prospect list like they do. 410 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 4: I think they've got guys that they see in their 411 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 4: future on the next you know, years of especially in 412 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 4: the JJ Weather hole and guys like that, they've got 413 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 4: guys that they can see in their you know, top 414 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 4: of their lineup, in the middle of their field that 415 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 4: can really change the dynamic of the team. And then 416 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 4: now what are you going to do around that with 417 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 4: free agency and then using your minor league currency to 418 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 4: get big league talent. 419 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: So one of the guys that you mentioned or at 420 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: least referenced is Nolan Arnado, who is still a Cardinal. 421 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: There were rumors a week ago about the Angels talking 422 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: to the Cardinals, and I haven't talked to Arnado about it. Certainly, 423 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: Anaheim is right there in terms of being at home 424 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: for Nolan, But I look at that team and I 425 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: think they're kind of in the same situation with the 426 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals in terms of a reset. They brought in new 427 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: guys who were kind of one year deals, who were 428 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: they're hoping, you know, get past injuries or down years, 429 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: And it looks to me like the Angels, like the Cardinals, 430 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: maybe don't have their eyes set on this year but 431 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: down the road. So my question is for you, Kyle, 432 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: does that seem like that's a great landing spot for 433 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: for Aronado? And is here a chance deep down he 434 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: still wants to crack at winning again. 435 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: Every player wants to crack at winning again, So yes, 436 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: I think that's on there. But I also think playing 437 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: closer to home is a big deal. Living at home 438 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: is a big deal, as Lance and I were able 439 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: to experience as well. So that not that that cures everything. 440 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: It doesn't, but that's probably a situation where he would 441 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: not go to any other team not on the CUSP 442 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: unless he was at home. 443 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: So we'll see, we'll see if that pans out. I mean, 444 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 3: I think the Angels are a team that's in a 445 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 3: big market. 446 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: They have Mike Trout, they have you know, top of 447 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: the line players, and I think they have They're gonna 448 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: be in the position where they're going to be spending 449 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: and they are expected to win. Angels fans are not 450 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,719 Speaker 2: you know, they were blessed with sho Hey and Trout 451 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 2: and guys to go watch, but they also get criticized 452 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: for not winning when they had both of those players. 453 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: So I'm assuming that the front office there is going 454 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 2: to want to make that move. They've also brought up 455 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 2: young guys very early, so they're gonna hit their arbitration 456 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: windows with some of these guys extremely quick compared to 457 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 2: other young players because of how quick they brought them up. 458 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 2: So I mean, I think they are going to be 459 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 2: in a spot where if they can get the right 460 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 2: couple pieces that the veterans that they think might compliment, 461 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: maybe a Nolan Aeronado signifies to another free agent that hey, 462 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: we are going to go and try and win here 463 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 2: the next couple of years. We traded for Nolan Aeronado 464 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: to fill a role at their base, and he's gonna 465 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: make our defense better. And here's how we're going to 466 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: get another starting pitcher. Maybe having good defense is a 467 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 2: great way to get started pitching. So you know, I 468 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: think I think it could be maybe one of the 469 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 2: dominoes that falls and maybe helps them, you know, take 470 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 2: that step to being ready. 471 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: So if you are Nato, are you thinking maybe like 472 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: he has a no trade, so you know he has 473 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: the power. Maybe if I wait this out, a better 474 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: opportunity will present itself in terms of a landing spot. 475 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: Because I agree with you, defense is at a premium. 476 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: He was outstanding defensively last year. There's that element of 477 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: leadership having a veteran around two lance. If you're Nolan, 478 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: are you thinking I want to be home or are 479 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: you thinking let's wait and see how this plays out. 480 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 4: I think you're looking at the waiting game is going 481 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 4: to be where's Bregman end up? I think that's what 482 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 4: we're waiting on right now. Once Bregman goes somewhere and 483 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 4: you don't like the other fits, then it's do I 484 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 4: say in Saint Louis or do I go home? And 485 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 4: I think that's kind of if it's on the table 486 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 4: to go home, I think that's what he's gonna have 487 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 4: to choose. I think in his mind, you know, I'm 488 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 4: not speaking for him, but if you have a chance 489 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 4: to go home and kind of just kind of regroup, 490 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 4: I think he would rather do that, because all the 491 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 4: writing has been on the wall that he's leaving Saint Louis. Anyways, 492 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 4: this winter, the question is is what big teams are 493 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 4: going or the teams that are quote unquote gonna win, 494 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 4: are gonna go after him? You got Boston? Is Bregman? 495 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 4: Was it Detroit? It's in Bregman's camp? But is Detroit 496 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 4: if they don't get Bregman? 497 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: Is that? 498 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 4: Are they that much better than the Angels? I don't know, 499 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 4: because you know, are they gonna be able to keep screwball? 500 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 4: Like there's there's a lot of ifs in baseball, and 501 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 4: if you get a chance to go home, I think 502 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 4: that trump's a lot of things that that that makes 503 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 4: that pros and cons that pro list just automatically with 504 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 4: a big old bull's eye on it. If it's if 505 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 4: it's Angels. 506 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: Last thing and Kyle, you bring this up or you 507 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: have brought it up a few times, the value of 508 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: flipping a player, holding on to him, and then flipping 509 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 1: him before the deadline once the season, you know, as 510 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: you get close to the trade deadline, you could get 511 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: a haul and return him. By then. You know, maybe 512 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: some teams figure they have a bigger need for a 513 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: guy like Nolan. Teams headed for the postseason. Maybe that's 514 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: where you get the most value, because we haven't seen 515 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: any movement on that front to this point. 516 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's interesting. 517 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: My question for you guys would be, you know which 518 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 2: camp would you rather be in? Would you rather be 519 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: in Bregnant's camp or Aeronauto's camp right now? Because it 520 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 2: seems like you know who who's waiting on who? Here 521 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: is Bregnant waiting on aeron Auto getting trades and maybe 522 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 2: he has leverage or is there not a waiting on 523 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 2: Bregnan to be traded. 524 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 3: Or scigned so that he has leverage. I don't know. 525 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 2: That side of it is a little interesting to me, 526 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 2: So we'll kind of see how that shakes out. But yeah, 527 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 2: I mean I think that I think it's always interesting 528 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: talking out loud that you want to trade a player 529 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 2: and making it known that he is going to be traded, 530 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 2: because I feel like there is a certain leverage aspect 531 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: of that that is diminished a little bit. But at 532 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 2: the end of the day, I'm in the front office 533 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: has the ability to say, Nolan, we're keeping your hair, 534 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 2: and you make our team better and we need you 535 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 2: in this locker room, and we'll see if we get 536 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: another offer, obviously we'll present it to you, but for 537 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 2: right now, you're our guy and you're going to be here, 538 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: so we'll just kind of have to see how that 539 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: how that shakes out. But yeah, I mean, I think 540 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: any team Nolan is an asset for many different ways, 541 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 2: and if you end up trading him again, you know, 542 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 2: although he probably keeps his no trade, but I think 543 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 2: he's an asset to whatever tav he's on Lamce. 544 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: Last question, when the season starts, will Nolan Ornado being 545 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: a Cardinal uniform? 546 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 4: I say no. They've been publicly too much about him 547 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 4: being traded. I think for everyone's sake, the Cardinal's sake 548 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 4: and his sake, it's time to find him a place 549 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 4: that he can go and do whatever he needs to 550 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 4: do to finish out his hall of fame career and 551 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 4: also start your rebuild. So that's where I'm at. 552 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: Fair enough, gentlemen, I enjoyed the chat this week. That's 553 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: going to do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory again. 554 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: If you're podcasting, throw five stars on there for us, 555 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: and if you're youtubing, go ahead and like and subscribe. 556 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time on Cardinal Territory. Hopefully that 557 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: edition won't suck