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Speaker 1: and welcome in to a week eight edition of The

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Speaker 1: Final Drive. Chargers loses to the Patriots twenty seven, twenty four,

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Speaker 1: joined by Haley, Elwood and Haley. It started promising the

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Speaker 1: first quarter and a half and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: I think the offense hit a lull and the Patriots

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Speaker 1: took over won this football game. Yeah, that's what Brandon

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Speaker 1: Staley said after the game that they he loved the

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Speaker 1: way that this team started the game, specifically this offense,

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Speaker 1: and then he just felt like they couldn't get in

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Speaker 1: a rhythm past that really and New England did a

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Speaker 1: great job, according to him and Justin Herbert disguising a

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Speaker 1: lot of their coverages and the Chargers really couldn't get

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Speaker 1: completions off of that, force them into a lot of

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Speaker 1: third and long situations down in distance, longer down in

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Speaker 1: distance situations that it just never really felt like they

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Speaker 1: that essential final drive, which you can make the argument

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Speaker 1: that the Patriots just weren't trying to do anything to

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Speaker 1: really mess their game up on that end because they

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Speaker 1: were up at two scores by that point. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just kind of the second week that we've really

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Speaker 1: sort of seen that offense a little out of sync

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Speaker 1: and coming off the bike. You know, they talked about

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Speaker 1: trying to kind of write get things right and write

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Speaker 1: the ship a little bit, but it's clear, you know,

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Speaker 1: they all talked after the game last night that they're

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Speaker 1: still work to do on that end. There is and

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Speaker 1: you look at Justin's numbers just not what we're accustomed

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Speaker 1: to seeing from him. Eighteen to thirty five, two hundred

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Speaker 1: twenty three yards, pair of touchdowns, pair of interceptions a

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Speaker 1: former Charger, Yeah, Adrian Phillips spoiling Halloween in LA for

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Speaker 1: the Bolts. Those were essentially difference eleven points off of

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Speaker 1: those two interceptions, one of them would pick six ap

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Speaker 1: kind of ruining Halloween for the Chargers daily. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: was the ghost of Christmas Fast, Halloween passed, if you will,

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Speaker 1: it came into so far, and you know, I think

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Speaker 1: has had such a great last few games and I

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Speaker 1: guess you could say season for the Patriots that I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to say everyone was fixed

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Speaker 1: mind former Charger coming back in this game, and it

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Speaker 1: was really Adrian Phillips who sort of spoiled the homecoming

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Speaker 1: on that sense. But that was the difference because they

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Speaker 1: were able, like you said, to get points off those

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Speaker 1: turnovers and that's huge, and that was something that Derwin

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Speaker 1: James talked about at the end of the game that

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Speaker 1: the goal for this Chargers defense is to really give

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Speaker 1: the ball back to the offense, provide turnovers, win the

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Speaker 1: turnover battle, which is something that they haven't done as

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Speaker 1: can they provide the spark to the offense And that

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Speaker 1: was something that was missing last night because when you

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Speaker 1: of possession by I think New England had about a

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Speaker 1: ten minute time of possession advantage. I believe. I read

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Speaker 1: they ran about seventeen more plays than the Chargers. That

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Speaker 1: obviously increases your chances of winning, and you don't want

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Speaker 1: I think that brings me to the Chargers running game. Now,

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Speaker 1: Justin Jackson had a seventy five yard rush and that

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Speaker 1: You take JJ's run out of the equation, you're still

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Speaker 1: is that that second consistent running back presence behind Austin

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Speaker 1: field for some of these games, time of possession is

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Speaker 1: a big deal. Especially, you know, if your defense is

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Speaker 1: I don't consider Austin Eckler running back. I just consider

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Speaker 1: to find that consistent presidence Hailey to choose some clock

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Speaker 1: That was something they talked about last week too, is

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Speaker 1: if you will, And Brandon Staley said it was going

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Speaker 1: between Justin Jackson, Larry Rowntree, and Joshua Kelly until one

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Speaker 1: number two. But he did say, you know we're going

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Speaker 1: to need all those guys and need him they did.

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Speaker 1: I believe josh Ma Kelly was an active yesterday. Correct

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Speaker 1: So then when someone like Justin Jackson goes down, okay,

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Speaker 1: want to go back to that final Patriots drive where

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Speaker 1: all their timeouts. On that final drive, they just milked

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick didn't really pull out any tricks yesterday for Halloween,

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Speaker 1: which I know we saw some trickery against the Jets

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Speaker 1: into certain situations where, yeah, you're going to be burning

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Speaker 1: So a tough loss because you're coming off of by

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Speaker 1: and congrats on his first career touchdown. But it just

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Speaker 1: move forward. Still got ten games left, you know. I

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Speaker 1: I have talked about this too, that when the season

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Speaker 1: you got an extra game. Right now, it feels very long.

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Speaker 1: But there are ten games left after this, so a

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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of football left to be played here,

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Speaker 1: a ton of football left. And let's touch on the

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Speaker 1: defense real quick. Kayley mag Jones seemed to have been

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Speaker 1: They did hold the Patriots to three point six to carry.

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Speaker 1: But the thing about that is New England still ran

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Speaker 1: the ball thirty nine times, right, So like that's why

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Speaker 1: time of possession was so lopsided in this game. Damien

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