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Speaker 1: The holidays are upon us, and you know what that means.

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Speaker 1: It's time for gifts. I guess lowest, lowest of the

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Speaker 1: five love languages, my last one gifts. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: thinks you're gonna use, I think that's really cool. I

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Speaker 1: mean any getting a gift period. By the way, not

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Speaker 1: to complain about getting a gift, it's nice. I recognize

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Speaker 1: that I just of all my love languages, that is,

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Speaker 1: love a meaningful gift. I love like listening to people

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Speaker 1: and then being like, oh, I know what I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: something that feels really specific to a person. But the

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Speaker 1: holidays and in shopping it's so stress for people. This

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Speaker 1: sounds like an ad. It's not. I'm just sort of

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Speaker 1: like people would pooh pooh gift cards. But I think

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Speaker 1: could use anywhere. I don't want to name, you know,

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Speaker 1: a visa NAMEX. I'm gonna name where people can just

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Speaker 1: get whatever gift they want for themselves. Maybe people want

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Speaker 1: practical things like tampons and toothpaste, you know, and they

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Speaker 1: I just feel like it's so strange people complain about

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Speaker 1: I'm not mad at a gift card. I'm not mad

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Speaker 1: not mad at that. The reality is that I'm not

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Speaker 1: mad at any of it. Again, guys, but a gift card,

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Speaker 1: I think is a good idea. They should be allowed.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why we're shitting on them. I think

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Speaker 1: gift card. I'm a proponent of gift cards anyway. Our

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Speaker 1: next guest is a friend of mine and I I

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Speaker 1: don't know where I know, I know him and I

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Speaker 1: people tell me what kind of go to gifts they get?

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Speaker 1: One thing I've said in the past is candles, But

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Speaker 1: then I heard someone online say candles are a cop out. Also,

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Speaker 1: All right. I hope this conversation that is coming up

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Speaker 1: gonna be really fun for me. Take a look. My

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Speaker 1: selling author. I'm not gonna look at you. You can

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Speaker 1: see him in Marvel, Shung Chi, Avengers, Doomsday, Barbie, the

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Speaker 1: My next guest is my dear friend Simu lu. We're here.

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Speaker 1: How are you, my dear?

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Speaker 2: I'm a little jet like. I think we were just

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Speaker 2: New York one always starts so fucking early.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that time difference will get you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, my like my like grooming or grooming time

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Speaker 2: or whatever. It was like six am yesterday, which is

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Speaker 1: Was Yeah, that is wild. Have you had coffee?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, macha, I'm drinking a macha.

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Speaker 1: Are you matcha over coffee?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I do that too, though, And I'll have like

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Speaker 2: I have to tell me what all the best pots

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Ohy a bit until until April.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, you are. I need to come see you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing O Mary, you're doing O Mary.

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Speaker 1: No one told me.

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Speaker 2: It just broke. It just literally broke, like when we

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Speaker 1: This podcast had. We have to cancel it because she's

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Speaker 1: ill informed. She doesn't want to speak, she doesn't know.

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Speaker 2: Frankly, to me, I mean, I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: What role are you playing?

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Speaker 2: I am playing Mary's teacher?

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Speaker 1: Okay, fun, I need to come, I need to come

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Speaker 1: tell Okay, I will, I will. I will tell you.

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Speaker 1: I will tell you where to get Macha's. Okay, by

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Speaker 1: asking you? I'm actually like, this is your podcast? Matcha Full? Okay,

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Speaker 1: It's ceremonial artisanal. If you will, it's really good. I

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Speaker 1: Okay, good Steve told me to get that. I got that,

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Speaker 1: to my indigo glows and everyone's in while. They'll have

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Speaker 1: like a collab with with an artist or usually artists, musical.

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Speaker 1: You know one. So like the Marias have a coquito

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Speaker 1: Santo Taco, okay, Santo Santo Tacos, Yes, yes, that's in Soho.

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Speaker 2: Do this for another forty five.

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Speaker 1: Let's just make this the whole podcast. All I do

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Speaker 1: Like, also, get a personality besides where to eat and

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Speaker 1: have beverages. Okay, Simo, who do you who? Or what

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Speaker 1: do you want to say thanks to you?

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Speaker 2: Can I say? Can I say like a non serious

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Speaker 2: Lauren for bringing us together.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, yes.

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Speaker 2: And I'm such a big fan of you.

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Speaker 2: to thank uh my physio Ethan. Yes, Ethan's in the

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Speaker 1: He's here. Ethan's here.

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Speaker 2: He got me my macha this morning and he like

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Speaker 2: it's so desperately.

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Speaker 1: At first, I was gonna say.

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Speaker 2: No, no, it was Ethan. No, No, he's a he's

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Speaker 1: Oh do we can we get Ethan to come in here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you want? Do you want to come in?

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Speaker 1: Ethan lives in New York.

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Speaker 2: Ethan lives in l as but he's from New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: Of course. He's a physical therapist. Physical therapists, which, by

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Speaker 2: You, if you don't mind, I tore my achilles. Okay,

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Speaker 1: You you got to a good physio or physical therapist

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Speaker 1: hard to come by. I've been to several for this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll bring him.

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Speaker 1: Wait, come in.

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Speaker 2: I'm not kidding now he's like Ethan, probably freaking out right.

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Speaker 1: Now, let's get Ethan to come in. Getthan this is Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with physical therapist guys. It's a whole thing. Genuinely.

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Speaker 1: I have friends who are physical therapists. I have friends

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Speaker 1: that come Ethan. You don't look like a physical therapist.

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Speaker 2: Ethan.

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Speaker 1: You're talking, Ethan. Come share set Ethan, come share state

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Speaker 1: smaller on his lap.

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Speaker 2: Where do you want to sit?

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Speaker 1: I think split a seat with me just because I'm small.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't beat, don't be shine now. Okay, welcome, Welcome

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Speaker 2: to my show, Ethan and Ago, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for being here. I have a lot of questions.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll ask away.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Ethan, can you help go with her with her dislocated.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Ethan, I tore my laborm. Okay, and I have

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Thank you, That's what I was wanted.

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Speaker 1: He's so kind. He started with the sorry that is

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Speaker 2: Get that from me because I'm Canadian.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, your shoulder Okay? So I tore my labroom okay,

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Speaker 2: The empathy.

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Speaker 3: No I'm very grateful. I mean, this is this opportunity,

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Speaker 3: I went to physical therapy school in Jersey in new Work,

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Speaker 2: You, I never would have imagined.

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Speaker 1: That's what happens when you care about what you do

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Speaker 2: Even the way that he spoke about your labor, and

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Speaker 1: Yes he said. And honestly, when you're talking about the loading,

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Speaker 1: I need to we need to build straight. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: talk to you after Ethan. Ladies, Ethan is single and

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Speaker 1: prepared to mingle. I don't know if you can pick

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Speaker 2: Now he's going you see it?

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Speaker 1: Oh a baby, yeah, a baby, Okay, a jum baby

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Speaker 1: A Gemini for a girl who says she doesn't care

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm a Gemini.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you'll go, you'll go ten you'll go ten years

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Speaker 1: Ten years? Okay? Bye? Ethan. Thank you ladies.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, that's Ethan. I'm sure. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: And you found that helpful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? But he's just good vibes, you know, good vibe.

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Speaker 2: You could tell he's good vibes. He doesn't. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: I said, Okay, I understand. He's like, I haven't assessed

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Speaker 2: I'm always making excuses about I gotta fly, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I like sports, like we both like sports,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, awful.

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Speaker 2: I love you know I see? Yeah, I love I

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Speaker 2: And I love other people looking at my results.

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Speaker 1: That's all. It's just to track your progress, right. Do

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, are you gunning for sexiest man alive? Would

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Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't. I wouldn't hate it, Okay, you know,

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Speaker 2: Probably not? Damn, that would be my guest.

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Speaker 1: Someone in the comments on some social media platform will

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I mean, there's I think there's

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Speaker 1: There's lots of sexy of course, there's lots of sexy

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Speaker 2: I mean they're out there. I met a bunch of them.

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Speaker 2: No, for some reason, it's not as it doesn't feel

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Speaker 2: Maybe would Sexiest Women Alive be in my book?

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Speaker 1: You, oh, that's a great question. Off the rip, I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a whole energy.

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Speaker 1: It's an energy. It's like this person is giving sex.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot. That's a tough one. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: Taylor, should we find it? Yes, Tiana Taylor, phenomenal? Should

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Speaker 1: A shortlist? Five? Are you gonna? Are you gonna chime in?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I did one for we'll call it six

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Speaker 2: Okay, Cap Blanchett, Okay, yes, Stun, I'm not mad.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, top to bottom obviously obviously. Okay, okay, stand by

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Speaker 2: Sabrina Carpenter. Okay, so we went. We went like a

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Speaker 2: I can go weird because I feel like I can't

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Speaker 1: You can't and I didn't feel I could. I don't

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Speaker 1: Is that is that? Is that possible?

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Speaker 2: I give you, I'll give you.

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Speaker 1: I believe she's an adult.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go, which is totally okay. I think for you.

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Speaker 1: woman like that, so I remember, it's clear it's a

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00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:07,360
Speaker 1: woman who's lived a full life. Okay, stand by, if

442
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,920
Speaker 1: you will. Hold on. Someone's coming to me. In my dream,

443
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 1: someone's coming to me. I'm trying to grab her. Hold on.

444
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,240
Speaker 1: It's hold on. There's someone coming to me. There's she's

445
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 1: coming to Okay. I think it's that this woman's name

446
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 1: m Rachel McAdams did that for you. I did that

447
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 1: for you. Okay, go go, Okay, this is awful.

448
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 2: He took like three minutes with the last one.

449
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 1: I know, maybe we could do the whole podcast episode.

450
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 1: Could just.

451
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 2: Let me think.

452
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 1: I know it's hard, it's hard under pressure, Pike. I'm

453
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 1: gonna tell you what that is. A beautiful name. I

454
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: don't know who that is off name. If you start

455
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 1: name credits, it's not gonna help.

456
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna google.

457
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: We're taking a Google break.

458
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 2: She was one, I mean, she was in I'll just

459
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 2: say one credit that she really like Okay, I'm like

460
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 2: a bit of a sex sexual awakening for me was

461
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 2: when she was in Die Another Day. Yes, Okay, the

462
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 2: Bond movie. I do know her, Yeah, I do know her.

463
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 2: I thought spectacular and gone Girl.

464
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 1: Gone Girl. That's what's gonna I'm like, miss gone Girl.

465
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: Oh hold on, let me see if my girl hold on?

466
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 2: And she played a villain. She played a battie in

467
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 2: the new Now You See Me movie.

468
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not mad at it. You know what I'm

469
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: gonna say.

470
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, this is your last pick.

471
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: This is my last pick. Shoot you. I gotta make

472
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: it really good. I'm gonna go. I don't know how

473
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: old she is either, I don't know how old anyone is.

474
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to jail. I'm going to jail over

475
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 1: this list. Okay, I'm gonna say, hold on, hold on,

476
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 1: she's coming to me. Okay, she's coming to me again.

477
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 1: It's between. I'm gonna say, Rosa, I did that for Ethan.

478
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: You did it for I did that for Ethan.

479
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: Latin and Latina body, Okay, I mean okay, I'm thinking

480
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: now now you find me, I'm thinking like all like

481
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: need women.

482
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 1: I want well, you don't have to know Latinas, but

483
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,479
Speaker 1: I want to encourage you to go go wide, go far.

484
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: Yes, you feel me?

485
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: Should we take a commercial break here. I'm kidding. I

486
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 1: don't know that if we do.

487
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 2: I mean, it's you know, I think maybe it's like

488
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 2: Megan Fox, is that too basic? I feel like it's not.

489
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: I'm not I have my take back.

490
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: You can have a take back, Sine.

491
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 2: It's just because it's Megan.

492
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: You know that's of course, Okay, if you want to

493
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: go different, we're going to let you do one take

494
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 1: backs because I.

495
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 2: Was, yeah, I was. I was having dinner with one

496
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: of my castmates the other night and she was like,

497
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear whatevery like I want to

498
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 2: hear your hear me out. Okay, you know what I mean,

499
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: hear me out? So what make it interesting? Yes, not

500
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: that anything, not that. Anything we've said is like, h

501
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: like beautiful, Oh this is a cool like this is

502
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 2: a sleeper pick?

503
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: Yes, do you want to do a sleeper a sleeper

504
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: baddie or you want to stick to your guns?

505
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: I'm not that she's even asleep now.

506
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: I don't I know, because now we've called the person exactly. Now,

507
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: it's like that qualifier. Do you want to go someone else?

508
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: Do you want to do you want to take back? Sine?

509
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: I mean I'm always floored by Samahayak Georgina Hamilton.

510
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: Yes, there you go, that's her name to me. Yeah, gorgeous.

511
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: I love it.

512
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm so glad we did this.

513
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 1: I am.

514
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: It's worth the people's sexiest women Alive. We should make

515
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 2: it thanks.

516
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: Dads, not people's f people, because they didn't do it.

517
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: We did it, Thanks dads, Sexiest women Alive, and we will.

518
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: And it's never just one woman. It's going to be

519
00:23:58,680 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: six women.

520
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,239
Speaker 2: Yes, each year. I love that. A split cover, it's

521
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 2: a split cover. Yeah, so people will buy six times

522
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 2: as man.

523
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: Yes, well I'm thinking of all six people.

524
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 2: Oh, a spread, a.

525
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: Little spread, and nothing over sexualized like head shots, proper headshots,

526
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: because that's whe're trying to be.

527
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 2: That's what sexiness is. That everything, it's.

528
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: Everything, it's your essence. It's a vibe. How did it

529
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 1: feel for you to be deemed an icon? A sex

530
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: icon for the people? According to who I saw the Internet,

531
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 1: I saw the internet talking. I follow you on the Internet.

532
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: We follow each other unless you one followed me. Okay,

533
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: we follow each other and the people are talking, and

534
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 1: you've been popping off on the internet.

535
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 2: Off you have been?

536
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, did you feel worried about popping off.

537
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had I've had a whole kind of circuitous

538
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: kind of relationship with the internet because I think before

539
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 2: I think before you like break and you have that

540
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 2: moment of visibility. You you know, you can kind of

541
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: say whatever the hell you want, and generally, you know,

542
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 2: you'll find some people who agree with you. People are

543
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: generally supportive. And then you break. You had this like

544
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 2: moment of visibility, and of course the studio kind of

545
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: like trots you out in front of literally everyone because

546
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: they don't care about you. They're just trying to sell

547
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: the movie, you know, which I understand. Business is business. Yeah,

548
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: but then you know, people start to have opinions about

549
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: you that aren't positive because they're like, man, why is

550
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: this guy being shoved down my throat? And of course

551
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: it's like, well, I'm not shoving myself down your throat.

552
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: It's like the studio's making me come here, and very generously.

553
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: I was paying for a comment, you know, but but

554
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: it's my job to come and promote. And I think

555
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: that that's the thing that I wish that people realized

556
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: a little bit more, was that people get overexposed because

557
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: they you know they're contractually obligated to. And then you know,

558
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: you start to read things about yourself online, and I

559
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: read stuff about myself online, feel like everyone does, even

560
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 2: if they say they don't, And then you know, it

561
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: kind of makes you shrivel a little bit because it's

562
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: you know, that moment is supposed to be so triumphant,

563
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 2: it's supposed to be such a celebration, and then I

564
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: think it just oftentimes there's always that kind of moment.

565
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: Following every kind of moment of momentum and positivity, there's

566
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: always like that negative. It's like an aftershock.

567
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 1: There's like a threshold where it's like it's not going

568
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: to stay positive. They're going to turn on you exactly,

569
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: which is why I feel very reticent to even like

570
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: engage with praise too, because I'm like, you just kind

571
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: of open a door. Yeah, so I'm placing a value

572
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: on what people who don't know me have to say

573
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: about me or my work, for sure, And once I

574
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: do that, once that turns from positive to negative, I'm

575
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: susceptible to that impact as well. And so you popped

576
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: off because you stopped giving a fuck or you care.

577
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: What you're popping off about is something you care about.

578
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: But I'm like, did you what what shifted in you

579
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: where You're like, actually, I just want to say my piece.

580
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: And I think I think it was like over the

581
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: last few years, just having this journey with myself of

582
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: like I am getting smarter, I think, and I'm I

583
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: am getting I'm being more deliberate about how I present

584
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: myself online and what I say. And then it's like,

585
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: but then how much of that I think I was

586
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 2: questioning how much I was overcorrecting and how much I

587
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: was like not in my natural rhythm, I e. Like

588
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: maybe shying away from myself if that makes sense.

589
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand.

590
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: So I'm like, by nature, I think I can be

591
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 2: like a pretty I like to call things out, especially

592
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: when it's you know, systemic injustice or like people being

593
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: bullied unfairly or you know something I like, that's just

594
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: something that's so innate to my personality. So if I'm

595
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: censoring myself constantly, I'm not being kind of true to

596
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: to who I am, So I might as well. I

597
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: think it was like, I might as well just stick

598
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 2: to my guns and how I feel. Yeah, and then

599
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: if people don't like that any fuck themselves, he said, it.

600
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: He said it, and he's two middle fingers, not very Canadian.

601
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know what happened to. Sorry, I'm trying. Yeah,

602
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: you're trying to be the first time I said sorry, Yeah,

603
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: the first time I came to LA like for a

604
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: pilot season, I think I said sorry, said it got

605
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: beaten out of me, it got bullied out of me.

606
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: So sorry, Oh there you go. Oh sorry, sorry, sorry, Sorry.

607
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: You know, I I think that's really respectable. And I

608
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: genuinely just because I understand you're like, you get thrust

609
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: into the spotlight and then you're like, Okay, I don't

610
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: want to operate in a way that's upsetting or where

611
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to get like an influx of negativity thrown

612
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: at me, and so you're like, okay, let me just

613
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: sort of yeah, yeah, maintain some form of neutrality. And

614
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: if that's so counter to who you are, that sucks.

615
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: It's it's it was getting to a point where I like,

616
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: I'm I don't know who I am anymore. If all

617
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: I am is trying to is reactive to this energy

618
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: of people, not even real people, by the way, bots,

619
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: some bots what I like, just words that I read

620
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: on a fucking screen then who am I?

621
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

622
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I think it was like, yeah, just

623
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: like lately, I've just been trying to reconnect with that.

624
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, say what I feel? Does it feel really liberating?

625
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: Would you say? Or it's like a little scary.

626
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: It's a little scary, but it's also liberating.

627
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, has it felt so the thing you're scared of

628
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: with being as vocal as you are now and stepping

629
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: more into that power, that the thing you're scared of.

630
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: Do you feel it's come to fruition or you've seen

631
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: it or are navigating it? Are you sort of like, oh,

632
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: I was scared of some reaction that I'm not totally

633
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: getting in a real way.

634
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean I think I yeah, I think it's

635
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: happening to an extent, but it's I yeah, I don't

636
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: think it's as bad as I was like making it

637
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: out to be. Yeah, in my head, I think people

638
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: are gonna People are gonna say what they're gonna say,

639
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: and they're gonna and there are people online that like

640
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: are they're just bad faith people And so even if

641
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: you try your best not to say anything that might

642
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: be misinterpreted, they will find a way anyway. So you

643
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: might as well just go balls to the like, you

644
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: might as well stand in your fucking business and say

645
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: what you're going to say, and then that way they're

646
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: not going to misinterpret it.

647
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's real. And people who want to misinterpret and

648
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: misunderstand what you're saying are going to do it no

649
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: matter what you say, no matter how well you cover

650
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: all your bases. And so yeah, I think you've got

651
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: the right idea there. I don't I don't know anything,

652
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: but it's what I'm starting to just to be clear disclaimers.

653
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: I don't know anything, but I think that it's I

654
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: think it's better that way. I think it's better. How

655
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: do your parents take reading anything about you online?

656
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: Ooh yeah, how do your parents take it?

657
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: I only have one, so it is your So we're

658
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: co hosting this podcast today. Okay, yeah, all right. My

659
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: mom does not go on the internet. Okay, so sincerely,

660
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: she's like, how do I check my email? Ago? So, yeah,

661
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: she's not reading anything. If anything, it's on the news,

662
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: and the news or anything she sees on the news

663
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: and on TV is like generally positive or just like

664
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: sort of information as opposed to takes on me, which

665
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: is nice. But how do your parents.

666
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: My my mom is similar to your mom, and I

667
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: think she's relatively hands off, doesn't really know too much,

668
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: doesn't bother herself with it. My my dad, I think,

669
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: is taken to the Internet as a way to I

670
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: feel like he thinks it's an easier way to keep

671
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: in touch with me than actually calling me and like

672
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: talking to me. So he'll just like know, he thinks

673
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: that by keeping up with everything about me on the internet,

674
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: that he's like he knows me, okay, and so he

675
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: will yeah, I mean he'll basically like he'll regurgitate like

676
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: these headlines and I'm like, Dad, what do you do?

677
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: Like none of this is true? Yes, yes, please just

678
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: ask I'm the person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you're related,

679
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: We're related. You can ask. You can ask me.

680
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

681
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: But it's yeah, it's really sweet in a way. But

682
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: I know, like he's he's like chronically chronically online and

683
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: you try to do on two different social media by

684
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: the way, on the Chinese social media, which is an

685
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: entirely different social media, different platforms. Yes, and so I

686
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: mean that's he's retired, so like that is his.

687
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: Full Oh, he has time to check on his son.

688
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: Do you have siblings.

689
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm annoly child.

690
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: Oh well, then he's really he's really interested. Is what

691
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: Chinese media is, social media saying about you generally positive?

692
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: Are people coming at you there?

693
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: And I feel like I feel like, now, yes, I

694
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: feel like maybe, man, that's a whole thing that we're

695
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: getting into.

696
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: I want to get If you're comfortable, I'm what you

697
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: feel comfortable.

698
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: I feel like there was initially when I was first

699
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: I think announced as shun Chie. I think there was

700
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: initially a bit of like trepidation when there's a bit

701
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: of like who you know, because you know, obviously that

702
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: market has their own extremely famous, extremely talented, you know,

703
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: star system, right, and and I think up to the

704
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: months of that announcement, there was a lot of speculation

705
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: about who it would be. And you know, I think

706
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: they had, you know, gotten it in their mind that like,

707
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: oh well there was like X and Y person that

708
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: deserved it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and quite and maybe that

709
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: maybe that's true. I mean, I don't know, but all

710
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: I know is that I got the call for whatever reason,

711
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: you know. And and I think it was like maybe

712
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: some combination of like cultural protectivism and also maybe a

713
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: little bit of beauty standards that they were like, oh,

714
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: he doesn't really look like he came from he doesn't

715
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: look like one of us, all right, And yeah, I

716
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: think there was a lot of like, are you kind

717
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: of ugly?

718
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: They think you're ugly?

719
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, I mean if you look at like

720
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: I think the fate like Chinese celebrities, yeah, and male celebrity.

721
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: I think there's like a very specific aesthetic that I don't.

722
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: I don't think I fit in all honesty.

723
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

724
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I I guess what I'm saying is like

725
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: I get where they're coming from, and I don't think

726
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: I'm ugly.

727
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, again, not even close. What No, I'm not

728
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: trying to guess you friend, but I'm like, let's be serious.

729
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: But I understand when you when you were seeing that

730
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: sort of response, were you was, did you internalize any

731
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: of it? Did you feel not enough? Did you feel

732
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: like maybe did you were you dealing with some parts

733
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: of imposter syndrome or.

734
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's something that I think

735
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: if you, I think everyone deals with imposter syndrome in

736
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: some way, shape or form in this industry. I think

737
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 2: it's maybe worse if you are a person of color,

738
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: and I think it's maybe doubly worse if you didn't

739
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: have any sort of connections to the industry at all.

740
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 2: So you just I and that was me. I couldn't

741
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: have had less of anything to do with Hollywood or

742
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: entertainment before I decided to be an actor. And you know,

743
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: I think that's part of why my journey has resonated

744
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: with so many people. But it's also the same reason

745
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: why I feel like totally out of place sometimes. Yeah, yeah,

746
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: and yeah. So I think makes me vulnerable to internalize

747
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: a lot of the criticism that comes my way because

748
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: I think my gut instinct first is like, well, of

749
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: course there right, mm, because what do you what do

750
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: you know?

751
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me like frustrates me, Like that is

752
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: a very human response you're having, of course, to go,

753
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Droves of people are saying this about

754
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: me and saying this about the opportunity I got, and

755
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: maybe I didn't deserve it or it's not aligned, and

756
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: so you're like, oh, maybe there's something. As an empathetic person,

757
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: which I assume you are, is like, you go, maybe

758
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: there's something to what they're saying. And it frustrates me

759
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: because I'm like, you know, when you come at someone

760
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: like that, you're you're making them feel bad, and you

761
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: shouldn't have I don't think been made to feel bad

762
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: about that. It's what is meant to be like a celebratory,

763
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: triumphant moment of like, I got this call, I got

764
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: this role. It's going to change my life, my family's life. Yeah,

765
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm now, you know, dealing with this better.

766
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: By the way it did. It did all those things, yeah,

767
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: you know, and it wasn't like the first time I

768
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: read it, I was like, oh my god, it's true.

769
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: Like there, you know. I think there's a process through which, yeah,

770
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: when something is just hammered enough and enough, it's just

771
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 2: I think chips away at you. And especially I feel

772
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: like if you come from comedy, it's like you're like, yeah,

773
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna find a way to make this funny. I'm

774
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: gonna own it. I'm gonna deflect it and talk about it, yeah,

775
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: reclaim it. But then it just becomes a part of

776
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: your like mental cycle, and then it's just in there,

777
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: yeah somewhere of course, you know, and you might not

778
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: think it is, but then it just it just comes

779
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: up and before you know it, you wake up. It's

780
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: like two years later and you're just like, I'm off rhythm.

781
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm out of my pocket. Yeah, it's

782
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: just like, it doesn't matter who you are, doesn't matter

783
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: how famous or how much money you have. I think

784
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: everyone knows that feeling is terrifying.

785
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, did you do you go to a therapy?

786
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: I did? I did. I'm not in right now. Yeah,

787
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: I'm totally fine. No, I'm good.

788
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: I'm good. No, I just go on your podcast and

789
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it and I'll offer nothing. But this

790
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: was free, and I have zero credential, and I'm like,

791
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: let's name sexy women. That's what our therapy is. Let's

792
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: so wait, how long did you do therapy?

793
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 2: I did it for I did it for about a year.

794
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I have thoughts about therapy share.

795
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it was it was a great

796
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: process for me. I have thoughts about where I was

797
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: at going through going through therapy. I think I I

798
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: it was like precipitated by like this breakup that I had,

799
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: and then.

800
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: We'll do it. They're crazy. Was it a was it's

801
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: a big breakup?

802
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: Then if it was like it was like a nothing,

803
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: it was like a situation ship. But I think those

804
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: are the ones that kind of fuck you up.

805
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, the short ones, I would say, the shorter ones stay. Yeah,

806
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: yeah those are And.

807
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: If you have some abandonment issues sprinkled in there, it's

808
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 2: like the worst thing.

809
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: It truly feels life entered. Yeah, and we know it's

810
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: not that deep to actually know, but your emotions have

811
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: not caught it.

812
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 2: No, they're in like a they're in a spiral that, yeah,

813
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: that you can't get out of.

814
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: How long was the situation ship?

815
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: It was like five weeks. I'm telling you.

816
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: It's always the short those are the ones to look

817
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: out for, those short situations ships.

818
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: So you went to therapy, So I started, Yeah, Yeah,

819
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: and I had I mean I was I mean, I

820
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: wasn't hysterical, but I was like going through a rough

821
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: a rough time. Yeah, And and that was it was

822
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: weird that that was the reason why I did. But

823
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: then it obviously started to unlock all these other things

824
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: in me and I was like, oh, yeah, it's not

825
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: not trying to just feel better after a breakup.

826
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some other things there, and they're like okay,

827
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: we uncovered what they are, and I'm.

828
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: Out, like thank you.

829
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: Thank you, twelve.

830
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: I think this is how it works.

831
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: This is plenty.

832
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: No, I think I just got I don't know. I

833
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: think I just fell out of it.

834
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's easy to you travel a lot, the same

835
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: thing with the physical therapy and the exercises and staying

836
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: in that consistent between.

837
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: Is there anything I should tell Ethan to Maybe Ethan

838
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: should get.

839
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: A go and get a license and get a license

840
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: so he could be just.

841
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: Be like emotional and physical therapist.

842
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: Wait, I mean, is there anything you do consistently that

843
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: you feel like I don't fall out a step in

844
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: this thing in this area.

845
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: Maybe exercise, I'm trying to make that exercise okay. But

846
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 2: I'm also i'm as I'm saying it, I'm like, no,

847
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: I maybe don't. And I think maybe that's why life

848
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: gets so hard for me sometimes when I'm.

849
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: Like therapy, I'm uncovered here, and you think you're unqualified.

850
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 1: I have a biology degree. Wow, couldn't tell you anything

851
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: about it? What did you study because you studied Deloitte?

852
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I studied. I studied finance and accounting.

853
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: Oh, you were a finance bro.

854
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: I was a want to be I was a want

855
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: to be financed bro. All the finance bros went to

856
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: like Goldman Sacks and investment banking, and I like wound

857
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: up and obviously Deloitte is that I'm not trying to

858
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: sooner by. Yeah, it's Big four, but you know, just

859
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 2: know that it's just the fact that out of business

860
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: school all the you know, like the Goldman Sacks and

861
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: the Merrill Lynches are like those that's cream of the crop.

862
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: And then it's like management consulting and it's like literally

863
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: everything else sales and trading. Okay, you know, everything else

864
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: in finance, and then like somewhere on the very bottom

865
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: is like accounting.

866
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: Is oh, you were in accounting. I was an accounting Yeah, no,

867
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. So you did you get an MBA too?

868
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: No?

869
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: No I didn't. I didn't, thankfully. I was fired. I

870
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: was fired like a week before I turned twenty three.

871
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: Wait, why'd you get fired?

872
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: I got fired because I well, I hated my job

873
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: and I was terrible as sure, but I I skipped

874
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: work to be an extra on a on a movie set.

875
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: It was Germo del Toro Pacific Rim And there was

876
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: a Craigslist ad. Yeah, okay, that I answered. I was

877
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: at the office literally when I answered it, okay, And

878
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: and then and I thought I was going to be

879
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: like a movie.

880
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: Star, really off being an extra.

881
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, making eleven dollars an hour.

882
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: This is true when you got fired, how quickly prophetic

883
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: it was, because now look at you on my podcast.

884
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't think

885
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: Germo del Toro knows who I am, but he's he

886
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: played a very very very crucial role in my career.

887
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: We'll have to tell him. Well, Simum, we've met Ethan,

888
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: and I have a surprise for you. Is not here.

889
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: He's not here, but well, hopefully somebody saw where. We'll

890
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: help you out with that. And if you get to

891
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: meet him, let him know. I would love to be

892
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: to y unrelated, it could be like a package. Maybe, yeah,

893
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: I have to be there. But when you got fired,

894
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: were you scared to tell your parents? Of course you

895
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: were scared.

896
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I didn't tell him for a long time.

897
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: How long did Okay, where were they living? Where were

898
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: you living?

899
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: I was living in downtown Toronto. They were living I

900
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: mean they were in Mississauga, which is about thirty minutes away. Okay,

901
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: and so we weren't that far sure, but you know,

902
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: Asian parents and their kids. It's just this like big

903
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: toxic cycle of lying to each other. Okay, great always

904
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: and so yeah, I got I got fired. I was like, obviously,

905
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell my parents, and then I,

906
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: you know, I started like acting and at that point

907
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: I also wasn't telling them anything. And I kept up

908
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: the lie until I booked a national commercial that was

909
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: like about to air across the country and it was

910
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: back when people still watched like everyone was watching TV

911
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: right right TV. But uh yeah, it was like I

912
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: wasn't going to be able to hide it from them anymore.

913
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: How So, how long did the lie last? How long

914
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: were we lying?

915
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 2: Like maybe like two months?

916
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: Oh, you're a good liar, yeah, which I did.

917
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm an ares that's fire. Yeah.

918
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: Why do I know so much for a girl? I

919
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: don't understand why I know so much about it?

920
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: Just people. I feel like people are constantly talking about it,

921
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: and it's one of those things that you just like

922
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 2: absorb brismosis.

923
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, is that the biggest lie you've ever told them?

924
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 1: That you were employed when you weren't.

925
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably a big one. Yeah, And the craziest

926
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 2: thing too is my dad had like I think because

927
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: we had opened I'd open my bank account under his,

928
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: under his so I got like a severance package and

929
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: he was like why did you get all this money?

930
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I like made up this whole

931
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: elaborate thing where I was like, oh yeah, because like

932
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: they want to like pay me in advance because I'm

933
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: about to go on study leave and so they just

934
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 2: want to make sure that they you know, it's their

935
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: company policy where they like front load the money so

936
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: that like you have you know, living spence is taken

937
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: care of while you're while you're studying for the accounting.

938
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's like a crazy Do you.

939
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: Think he had any hunts that you were lying?

940
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: I think, you know what, maybe he suspected, but I

941
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: think the whole like he's lying because he started auditioning

942
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: to be an actor and is now going to be

943
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: in a national commerce. I think that was that was

944
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 2: like a complete like truck.

945
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: Were they proud when they found out you were in

946
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: a commercial?

947
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely not No, No, they might as well. I might

948
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: as well have been like imporn, Like they were like,

949
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: this is embarrassing, what are you doing? Okay, Yeah, I

950
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: remember I was doing a good job too. Is for

951
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: like a like a telecom thing. It was for Bell.

952
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Atlantic.

953
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 2: Bell like mobile. It's like, uh it's it's literally it's.

954
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: T mobile and kay okay, okay.

955
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: So I was like on my phone. I was a

956
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: small business owner, was like on my phone. I was

957
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: like on my was so busy I was. I was

958
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: doing a lot. I was zero acting training. I was

959
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: like in my bag.

960
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. I sometimes I'm like, don't have me do too

961
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: much and I can't whistle while I work. Let me

962
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: just say my lines all this choreo. So you were

963
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: doing all of it first act.

964
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: I was like yeah, because he was, you know, it

965
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: was showing how what was it? It was like how

966
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: the small business solutions scale up with you. And so

967
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: it's like as your business gets busier. So I was like,

968
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: I'm on the phone, but I'm an email and then

969
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: I'm like looking over. I remember I was like looking

970
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: over and I was like, oh, no, not that, because

971
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: you know, someone had brought in a rack of clothes

972
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: and I was like, no that one, okay, give me.

973
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: So you were in this commercial for like a good

974
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: chunk of I'm like doing a terribly right now. No,

975
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm fully invested in It's like a thirty second commercial.

976
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: Was a sixty second Yeah?

977
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: No, I made a meal of it. It round up

978
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: being there's a seven minute cut somewhere.

979
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: Okay of just like really acting. And your parents were

980
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: not impressed or like, he's this is porn, this is

981
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: this is the.

982
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: Most embarrassing thing. My parents are both electrical engineers.

983
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: Oh and that'll do it. And you know they were, yeah,

984
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: they were like, how do they feel about you doing finance?

985
00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: Was it still like okay? Okay?

986
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they'd made peace with it. Yeah, I

987
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: think the I think in their dream world, I'm I'm

988
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: what they are, what they were, or like a doctor.

989
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: Okay, right, that's it. Those are the options. I get it.

990
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a child of immigrants as well. I

991
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: get it. Did you tell them about your very first girlfriend?

992
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: Mum m, when did you get a girlfriend?

993
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: I mean, this wouldn't even really count, but I was

994
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: like twelve, yes, no, but we never but I had

995
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: a girl, my first girlfriend, and I never kissed you did.

996
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: Did you hold hands?

997
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? We held hands and we slow danced at the

998
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: We slow danced at the at the school dance room left.

999
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: We left room for Jesus in the middle.

1000
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: And Jesus is like, why do people keep saying that

1001
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't.

1002
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: Want to be in the middle sandwich between two children.

1003
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 2: That's weird.

1004
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to be a yeah.

1005
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And she was this was a big deal.

1006
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: But she she was a friend of a friend and

1007
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: so she didn't go to our school. And I think

1008
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: that really freaked my dad out when he like found

1009
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: out that.

1010
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: She didn't go to your school. Yeah, why did you

1011
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: go to a private school? And she went to public

1012
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: She went to public school.

1013
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 2: I don't think she went to a public school either.

1014
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: I think she went to like a more bougie private school.

1015
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: But my dad didn't know that. He was just like,

1016
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: who are you, Like, what are you even doing? Okay,

1017
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: well you're dating, Like you're just going around dating night.

1018
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: What are you twelve? You're twelve years old, you're taking

1019
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: the subway and going to dates? Like, how are you

1020
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 2: even managing this? And and yeah, he was right, it's

1021
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: a fizzled. It's a lot of work, a lot she

1022
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: didn't go to your school. I mean you think long

1023
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: distances started turending long distance as a twelve year old.

1024
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how long did you guys last?

1025
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: I think about two months? Nice, two months February to April.

1026
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: Impactful amount of time for you.

1027
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were two there were two dances at that time.

1028
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: Oh so we got to we got to do this

1029
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 2: two times?

1030
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: Did you perfect it by the second time?

1031
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: I think so? Maybe it was like a little bit

1032
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: closer than the first. Okay, yeah, Jesus, there's a bit

1033
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 2: more waste and maybe a bit a bit lower.

1034
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, when did you have your first kiss?

1035
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: Uh? Thirteen? I think a year late? Off of a dare?

1036
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 2: When was your first kiss?

1037
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: I know?

1038
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: Does that even count?

1039
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: Thirty two? Wow? Imagine?

1040
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 2: Okay, so it happened yet.

1041
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: No I haven't. Yeah, twenty four. So back to Sabrina Carpenter.

1042
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: It works for me because I'm twenty four. When was mine? Eighteen?

1043
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: Eighteen eighteen? First case at eighteen?

1044
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but almost like you see, but even but almost

1045
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: just like I was, I didn't care about boys. I

1046
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: just didn't care. I didn't care. And then even when

1047
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: I did have my first kiss, I feel like I

1048
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: was like, well, it's time. It wasn't like a it's

1049
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: the equivalent of off a dare for me. It was like, yeah,

1050
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: I think we should go ahead and just get this

1051
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,479
Speaker 1: going to thirteen. So yeah, but it wasn't It also

1052
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: wasn't particularly romantic.

1053
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: I think, if I'm honest, now I'm just pretending you're

1054
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: my therapist now, yes, But I think, if I'm honest,

1055
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: I think I had such a strained and like cold

1056
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: relationship with my parents that I was starved for affection.

1057
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: And I think I, like, I really tried to look

1058
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: for that in in Yeah, just.

1059
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: Any any anywhere where else? Have you had a lot

1060
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: of girlfriends.

1061
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: I've been. I think I think I was like messier

1062
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 2: when I was younger.

1063
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, you a playboy. I mean, oh, you didn't tell

1064
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: me that we wouldn't be friends.

1065
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 2: Oh no, I was like a little sixteen year old

1066
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: fuck boy. Now you were a fuck boy. You were.

1067
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: You don't You can't lie to me. I can tell

1068
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: when you're lying. Now you were a fuck boy, simou.

1069
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: I think when I was sixteen, I had a lot

1070
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: of like I think the things that were in a

1071
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: lot of sixteen year old's minds. Okay, And I remember

1072
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: I would go to this website, you know, because you

1073
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 2: guys had Cosmo and I read some Cosmo to try

1074
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: to like it was like kind of reading the other

1075
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: team's plays.

1076
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: Right, yes, oh okay, wow, So that was helpful.

1077
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: But I also had like GQ and like AskMen dot

1078
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: Com and so in the absence of like a dad

1079
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: that actually like knew enough about manhood or at least

1080
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: what that meant in the West to actually like talk

1081
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 2: to me directly about it, and that was like, Okay, GQ,

1082
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: what do I need to What do I need to know?

1083
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 2: I need to know how to make a whiskey, I

1084
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: need to know how to I need to know cars.

1085
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: What else I need to I need to know what

1086
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 2: the g spot is? Yeah?

1087
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: Do you do you know what it is? Now?

1088
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: Even I have a vague idea. No, I'm it's somewhere

1089
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 2: on listening to.

1090
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: This and like, oh yeah, she's a great sport. We

1091
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: love her, we love her. Okay, So what things did

1092
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: GQ and Cosmo mislead you? Ontros?

1093
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: It's like very easy, Yeah, well, would would you say

1094
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: like this very kind of inauthentic, like cookie cutter version

1095
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: of masculinity? I guess, And a lot of what that

1096
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: was kind of linked to was like I guess, you know,

1097
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: maybe the age of like pick up artists, you remember,

1098
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: like manipulative, manipulative and nagging and like all I guess

1099
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: all that stuff that was like the blueprint that I

1100
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of guys that my generation kind

1101
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 2: of built their their worldview on, I guess. And it's

1102
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: very important that I say that. I've since realized. I've

1103
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: since realized that this is very, very problematic and we

1104
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: can't do that. We cannot allow things that we read

1105
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: on the Internet to inform our our version of whether

1106
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 2: it's masculinity or feminine. Like that's that's just we can't do.

1107
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: We shouldn't do that, especially not AskMen dot com if

1108
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: that even still exists, which I don't think it does.

1109
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: I have to say, and the g spot exists, you guys, Okay,

1110
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: I have to say.

1111
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 1: You regurgitated everything your publicist told you to say about

1112
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: masculinity and femininity perfectly. That was awesome.

1113
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's public didn't do we have the same publicist I.

1114
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 4: Know?

1115
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: Do you think she would tell me to say that?

1116
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I saw the text. Oh okay, make sure I

1117
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: saw the text. So you broke some hearts back in

1118
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: the day.

1119
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I was just.

1120
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: Like it's okay if it's okay like a dude. Yeah yeah.

1121
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 2: And I think I was like, oh yeah, casual dating, okay, Yeah,

1122
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: that's like what you got to do.

1123
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: We're and we were not really introducing any of these

1124
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: people to your parents, no any in any way.

1125
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 2: And then I was in and then I was in relationships,

1126
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 2: and I think I was in more relationships throughout my

1127
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: twenties and thirties and yeah, yeah, what.

1128
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: Are things that you do feel comfortable talking to your

1129
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: dad about? If like masculinity and how to be a

1130
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: man in the Western world or whatever that or something.

1131
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, like.

1132
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: We have time, we have time.

1133
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do I feel comfortable? I feel like it's

1134
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: tough generally kind of comfortab.

1135
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: Ooh, maybe we can put some music over this, like,

1136
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's.

1137
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: A fantastic I hope you don't cut the How hard

1138
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: it is.

1139
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: For me to we won't cut it answer you have

1140
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: my word, which is shocking to me.

1141
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: It's hard. It's really hard for me to open up

1142
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: to him and to my mom.

1143
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: M hmm.

1144
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they're I don't know how they're going

1145
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 2: to handle it.

1146
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: Have you ever tried I feel like this. I remember

1147
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: being in some sort of situationship and it being devastating

1148
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: the way it was going, and a friend of mine

1149
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: who's like sort of a life mentor to me being like,

1150
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: have you talked to your mom about this? And I

1151
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: was like, what, lad are you talking about? Absolutely not.

1152
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: She wouldn't know what to do with this. But then

1153
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: in like years later, say I was in a similar situation.

1154
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: Took me a while to learn anyway. I then was like,

1155
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: maybe I will tell her a little about this, and

1156
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 1: seeing my mom freeze up because it's like I don't

1157
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: know what to do with what you're saying to me, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1158
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: So do you feel like there's like it's there? What

1159
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: do you talk to your dad about that? You feel

1160
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: like this?

1161
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: About work? Work? About how much work I'm getting?

1162
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1163
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like it's it's weird because you know,

1164
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: you know, we have whatever, we go through highs and

1165
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: lows in our careers. And I'm not I've been very

1166
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: I work pretty consistently, but like even when I have

1167
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: like little tiny lulls, I get really nervous because I'm like, oh, shoot,

1168
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: what if my dad asks what I'm doing next? And

1169
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: I don't have an I don't have a clear answer

1170
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: for him. And it's not that I would get freaked out.

1171
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I worry that he would get freaked out. Yeah, yeah,

1172
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: that he would feel like, oh shit, well it's all over.

1173
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 2: My son's fucking he's gonna get yeah, yeah, yeah.

1174
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 1: Does he take pride in your work now? Do you feel?

1175
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think he. I think he does. My dad

1176
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: was able to retire pretty pretty early thanks to you.

1177
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 2: I think I think so. I didn't. I did not

1178
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 2: pay him to retire, to be clear, but I think

1179
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 2: I think in his mind he was like in it

1180
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 2: for the long haul, like he was gonna he was

1181
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: going to be financially supporting his starving artists on for

1182
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 2: like a really really long time. And so when it

1183
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 2: when it was finally clear that that wasn't he wouldn't

1184
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: need to I think he was like, okay.

1185
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: Okay, to take time off. Did your mom work? Does

1186
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 1: she work? Yeah?

1187
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they worked. They're both electrical engineers. Oh yes, he

1188
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: told me that company, and and my mom tried to

1189
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: retire at the same time as my dad. It was

1190
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 2: during COVID and they were offering like packages, but they

1191
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't let her retire because my mom is three years

1192
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 2: older than my dad. Okay, and so she was sixty

1193
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: three my mom. My mom was sixty three, my dad

1194
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: was sixty Okay, so sorry.

1195
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: Mom, why would you put her out?

1196
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: But I know I just hung her out to fry.

1197
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: So my dad at sixty requested a package. I think

1198
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: I can't confirm this, but I think they thought she's

1199
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: going to retire soon. Anyway, we don't have to pay her.

1200
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: And so they made her work another like a year

1201
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: and a half, knowing that she wasn't gonna quit. Yeah,

1202
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 2: and then she retired shortly after.

1203
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: Oh that's fucked up. Yeah, that's fucked up. Like give her,

1204
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: give my girl a package, my girl a package.

1205
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 2: And the craziest thing was my dad was like sitting

1206
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 2: at home and he was getting paid. He got he

1207
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: got paid like a up to like a year after. Yeah,

1208
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 2: and so my dad and my mom were like making

1209
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 2: the same amount of money and he was like waking

1210
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: up at ten like watching TV, and my mom was actually.

1211
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: Going to work.

1212
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1213
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: Damn, that is crazy. And then and then there's you

1214
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: they're watching on TV, which is exciting, yeah, and feeling

1215
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: like maybe more connected because your dad's not able to

1216
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: read about you instead of talking to you. But you're

1217
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 1: saying that in your dating a little bit you felt starved,

1218
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: perhaps of affection.

1219
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: At home and maybe like just into into miss.

1220
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your love language.

1221
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: I think it's physical touch. I think it's physical touch,

1222
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: and then I think it's words of affirmation.

1223
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, do you think you get either of those

1224
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: things from your parents? Like that you're getting words of affirmation? No,

1225
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: because your dad ever said I'm proud of you once

1226
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: in a while.

1227
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: Okay, once like twice in my in my life, Okay,

1228
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 2: do you guys say I love you. We've tried. It's weird.

1229
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: It's weird.

1230
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like there was a moment in my

1231
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: life where I was like, I'm going to change this.

1232
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 2: I love you, and it was so weird.

1233
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: I did it. In my family.

1234
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:36,479
Speaker 2: We're gonna say stick.

1235
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: It's stuck now, we'll say, but I can tell some

1236
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: people are still. Like one of my brothers is like, diddo,

1237
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: dido yeah, And I was like, okay, yeah, black man

1238
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: saying diddo to me. I'm like, I don't think i've

1239
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: ever heard you say no other context.

1240
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: But he's like, I think I've just made peace with

1241
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 2: the fact that they do. They do love me and

1242
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be said yeah, and then I

1243
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: just I shower it on other people in my life,

1244
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 2: so I just throw it, you know, yeah, which is

1245
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 2: nice hundred times a day.

1246
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: Ethan. Yeah, he was uncomfortable though, with the love you think, so, yeah,

1247
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: he was fidgeting.

1248
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 2: No, I think he was fidgeting because he was nervous

1249
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 2: that he was being.

1250
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: On this podcast. And he did and planned. He didn't

1251
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: get did he get grooming this morning too?

1252
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: Not get grooming this morning?

1253
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: He looked great.

1254
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: Somebody people worked on this.

1255
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: Nobody worked on None of us are waking up like this.

1256
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.

1257
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 2: And and the man benches like a monster. I really,

1258
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: you know, just to okay, just to I'm not trying

1259
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 2: to glaze maybe over here, but I'm saying I've seen

1260
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: you know. I'll do my I'll do my thing and

1261
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: he'll be like, wow, that was really good, and then

1262
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: he'll add forty five on each side. Then he'll just

1263
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: rip it.

1264
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: Out casually and I'll be like, oh, ladies, you need

1265
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: to holler at Ethan. You follow Ethan on Instagram so

1266
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: they can find him by going to the mamorick ethan mamorick. Yes, okay,

1267
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna go, and then we could just go onto

1268
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: people Seemu's following Yes, look up ethan memoric. Yes, because

1269
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: people might have questions about how to spell it.

1270
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: He's got two Instagram accounts and forces me to follow

1271
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: both of them.

1272
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: Is okay? Which is like, is one offence done're putting

1273
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: him on blasts?

1274
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 4: No?

1275
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no one is this like personal? It's

1276
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: not a fence dos public? And then one's like a

1277
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: more professional okay, more professional one.

1278
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: Okay, ladies, you decide which.

1279
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 2: One, and at the very least you should check it

1280
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: out because I think it's got a lot of important

1281
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: fitness information. You know, he puts like good content.

1282
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: Okay, why are you laughing at that?

1283
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm just picturing him in the other room.

1284
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: I feel like I heard him laughing, laughing. He's like,

1285
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: how did this happen? Yeah, I don't know how it

1286
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: happened because you went to physical therapy school and I'm

1287
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: starved for affections and he needs a friend, and now

1288
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: he's pimping you out so that you can get some

1289
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: of the physical affectionate intimacy. Perhaps seamou didn't get at

1290
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: one point? Wow, And it's all full circle, isn't it.

1291
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: There you go, here we are, and here we are. Well,

1292
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: I guess it's time for this segment that's called that's nice.

1293
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: But what about me?

1294
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: Okay? All right, yes, I'm looking forward to it. Are

1295
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 2: we going to take a caller?

1296
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 3: Not yet?

1297
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: Oh, that's the wrong caller.

1298
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: Do you want to skip over?

1299
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 4: No?

1300
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, you're you're s oh is you?

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00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 4: No?

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00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: You're right?

1303
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: You're right.

1304
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: Yes, I understand you're jet lagged.

1305
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: Irresponsible because I'm supposed to be the host.

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00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: Before we go into my segment. This ass backwards today.

1307
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: You're jet lagged. I have no excuse for behaving today. Okay, there,

1308
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a call from the president of the company. Okay,

1309
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: we're giving gold, We're giving gold. I have a question

1310
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: for you.

1311
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 2: I'm manifesting your best rated podcast episode yet.

1312
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, come on, call it in and

1313
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:46,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna okay, I want to know how you knew

1314
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: Allison was the one? This is not the that's nice,

1315
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: but what about me?

1316
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: Actually maybe it could be? Okay, whatever, we'll make it.

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00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: That's nice. Can I ask where you're at and your Yeah,

1318
00:59:59,040 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 2: I'm in a.

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00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: Relay, okay, but I'm private. So you have Allison, you

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01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: post Alison. Yeah, you started posting Allison, and I said

1321
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: this to see me before the cameras came on. I

1322
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: was like, he's going to marry her. You guys look

1323
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: really good together, and so that's I know nothing about

1324
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: your relationship, but I was like, they look really good together.

1325
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: She makes me look really tall.

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01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: How tall are you?

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01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: I'm like a five to eleven Maybe I put on

1328
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: a nice heel, like a little six.

1329
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: Foot maybe on a three InChI old something, yeah, maybe

1330
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: three in cheers. Great, Okay, how tall is she?

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01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,479
Speaker 2: She's five She's five foot, she's five foot even.

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01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just pick her up. Okay, how did I

1333
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: didn't mean it like that. I'm just thinking about a

1334
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: little person. Okay. Anyway, it's time.

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01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: Excuse me, you excused?

1336
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: Wait? First of all, can you tell us tell me

1337
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 1: how you met? I'm being nosey now, No, we met.

1338
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 2: It was a friend of a friend. We had one

1339
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 2: of my best friends, went went to the went to

1340
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 2: the same church as her brother. Okay, in college and

1341
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: then and then they went to the same church in.

1342
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: L A Alison and this person.

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01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 2: In full disclosure, I am zero present religious.

1344
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Christian. I'm Christian, so I go to church.

1345
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: I haven't been to church in a while.

1346
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: But I sense a little bit of hesitancy about which

1347
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 2: part when you said you're Christian.

1348
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: It's a whole thing. I talked about it on Caleb

1349
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: Haron's podcast some people there, but I feel like he

1350
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: made me articulate exactly how I feel about my faith.

1351
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, which is I could say I can.

1352
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: Sum it up here. It's just that sometimes the connotation

1353
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: there when you say I'm Christian, and that make that

1354
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: declaration what that brings up for people fair enough, it's

1355
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: sort of like, oh, what's your vibe? What do you believe?

1356
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: You know?

1357
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: I am like, I really think Jesus is fantastic. That's

1358
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: and that's and Jesus is cool, and Jesus loved everybody,

1359
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: and that's sort of my vibe, attempting to love everybody.

1360
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: I'm so imperfect. See if you can imagine, but I can't.

1361
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm thank you, a king perfect thank you.

1362
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 2: But I and I know that are coming out. Thank you,

1363
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: you know what, thank you.

1364
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna reject it, thank you, perfect, But

1365
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: I just there's a connotation that I'm like, I don't

1366
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: feel I related to and then there's a sort of

1367
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: I would like to reclaim my faith if you will

1368
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: be like, actually, I believe being a Christian is this,

1369
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: and it's not hating people or telling people what to do,

1370
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: because it's not a reflection of Jesus.

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01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 2: I love that. To do that, I love that.

1372
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: And that's a poor summation. So in the comments, guys,

1373
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: take it easy if you want the good summation. It's

1374
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: a dissertation for sure, but I just need to know

1375
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: about you. And but again we're co hosting, so it's nice.

1376
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 2: And then we met at a Fourth of July barbecue

1377
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 2: and I was seeing I was seeing somebody else at

1378
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 2: the time, so I was just like, boy, this girl,

1379
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 2: this girl is cute. But I I was like cooling back,

1380
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: and it happened that was the girl that I was

1381
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 2: in the five week situationship with the be.

1382
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: Before you were.

1383
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: And then yeah, and then I came back totally fine, No,

1384
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 2: I mean perfect, quite happened that way. But but we

1385
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: reconnected a few months later and when I was on

1386
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: RAYA on.

1387
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: Rayah, we've had some raya stories on here, right, some

1388
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: people finding it ineffective, you finding it.

1389
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 2: A great time? She would, I know she would.

1390
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: She would hate that, say it like that, we're not

1391
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: going to cut it, but you need to go to

1392
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: jail for that.

1393
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 2: No, it was a great but it was. It was

1394
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 2: a great time. But when I, yeah, when when I

1395
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 2: when I saw her, I think there was a part

1396
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 2: of me that got really excited. Yeah, and I and

1397
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: I and I my opening message to her was like,

1398
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: funny seeing you here, you know, like the Dummers. Okay,

1399
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 2: but it was it was really great. And and then

1400
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 2: we went on our first date, and and I just

1401
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 2: kept missing her. Oh I think I just kept Yeah,

1402
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 2: I just kept missing her, and I wasn't. I wasn't

1403
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 2: maybe missing some of the other people that I was

1404
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 2: seeing the same the same way. And and so that

1405
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: quickly became one person that I was that I was

1406
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: seeing that's really cool. And then and then not so

1407
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: quickly after, but became a ring. But yeah, I saw yeah.

1408
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: I said, I knew it. I'd love to predict when

1409
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: I see a new couple on Instagram, I'm like getting married.

1410
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: I married in my head a couple on Instagram recently. Well,

1411
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: I was like, they're getting married, and I had to

1412
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: I have to tell another party that I'm like, just

1413
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: want you to know. I'm calling it getting married. And

1414
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm really good at predicting, and so I feel partially

1415
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: to think responsible.

1416
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't realize you were, but I felt some

1417
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 2: invisible hands.

1418
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,439
Speaker 1: It's a special skill to be like this couple getting married.

1419
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: It's also a special skill to be like, I think

1420
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: that couple broke up. Haven't seen them post? Oh yeah, yea, yeah, yeah,

1421
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: they've quietly exited each other's You and.

1422
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 2: Allison would be like, best, I want to meet her? Really,

1423
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 2: she's a social media here, she's not here.

1424
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: Just Ethan though, Okay, that's fine for the that's nice,

1425
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: but what about me segment? Because my question then being like,

1426
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: how do you know you've met the one? And I

1427
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: love that answer You kept missing her? That's really beautiful. Yeah, yeah,

1428
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: genuine You're like, do you like it?

1429
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 2: Was?

1430
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 4: It was?

1431
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 2: I just worried that it's not profound, but it is?

1432
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 2: Do you know that?

1433
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: Like, I'm not gonna know how to say it. There's

1434
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: a Portuguese word for like a longing of for someone.

1435
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: It starts with an s sour day. Maybe anyway, it's

1436
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: like a uh, there is no English translation, but it's

1437
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: like longing for someone. There's something that once was and

1438
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: it's probably not totally applicable here because I don't know

1439
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: if the person has to be out of your life,

1440
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: but it's beautiful to just like there was a longing.

1441
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: It sounds like and maybe that's better word than missing her,

1442
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: but I like missing her because it was honest.

1443
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe this is like a mister thing, but like, ye, yeah,

1444
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 2: I yearned.

1445
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: For so cool? Are you being sincere? Yeah?

1446
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 2: I think so, but you're not sure.

1447
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: You don't know.

1448
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 2: I'm scared by the vulnerability, but.

1449
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: I can tell. I can tell. But it's okay. You're

1450
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: safe with me.

1451
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 2: This is a vulnerable podcast, I feel.

1452
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: And I thank you for being vulnerable genuinely. I love

1453
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: love too. This is great, Thank you, Simo. But we

1454
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: do have to now help a listener. So everything's not

1455
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: all about you or all about me. We have to

1456
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: help a listener. Is it going to hear a listener

1457
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: calling for advice? Kevin? We're ready?

1458
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 2: Is this live? This is.

1459
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 4: I'm currently abroad in a different country for an internship,

1460
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 4: and I'm just I'm just not having a very good

1461
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 4: time and I have four weeks left. It's been here

1462
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 4: for six weeks, and I don't know, I'm just feeling

1463
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 4: a lot of imposter syndrome and it's hard to i

1464
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 4: don't know, just not be stressed out all the time

1465
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 4: and you know, looking forward to go home. If you

1466
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 4: had any advice about that that you could help me with,

1467
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 4: because I need all the help it, honestly. Yeah, all right,

1468
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 4: thank you?

1469
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: All right, Oh guy, same, I'm gonna let you answer

1470
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: and then I'll try to to that.

1471
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel like, what if I say the

1472
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: wrong thing. It's okay, I've never been tasked with It's intense.

1473
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 2: The Internet disagrees with me.

1474
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: The Internet might, but remember we said, everyone's allowed to

1475
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: have their opinion in your life, be you, and then

1476
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: this person needs help and they want our perspective.

1477
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 2: So I think of as I look back in my life,

1478
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 2: a lot of the people that I've spoken to have

1479
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 2: had like secondments or exchanges, or just periods of time

1480
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 2: where they've they've they've lived abroad or in it just

1481
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 2: in a situation that's different from what they know. They

1482
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 2: often come back with a sense of perspective and worldliness

1483
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 2: that is really good. And I would say not every

1484
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 2: work situation can give you what they want. Not not

1485
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 2: every job is fulfilling, and that sucks, and I feel

1486
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 2: really really sorry that this person is not getting what

1487
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 2: they want from that part of it. But I think

1488
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 2: there's so much more to living in a different country

1489
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 2: that I guess that whole experience has to offer, And

1490
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 2: I would just hope that with the six weeks that

1491
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 2: are remaining. I mean, this is totally different if something

1492
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 2: actively toxic is happening at your job, but if it's

1493
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 2: just like if you feel like it's not your vibe,

1494
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 2: I would maybe encourage them to reframe and to really

1495
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 2: just focus on what do I want to do in

1496
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 2: these six weeks while I'm living in a totally different place.

1497
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 2: What parts of myself do I want to explore and

1498
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: to try to try to lean into that. Yeah, because

1499
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 2: as you get older, you know, and as I get older,

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01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 2: I look back on a lot of like the you know,

1501
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 2: the year that I spent shooting shang Chi in Sydney, Australia,

1502
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 2: and it's like, Wow, I'm so grateful that I even

1503
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 2: got that chance, and it's such a random thing to

1504
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 2: be a you know, I was told that I was

1505
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 2: going to be in Australia. I didn't choose it. Yeah,

1506
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 2: but I'm so incredibly grateful for it. Yeah, and you know,

1507
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 2: my hope is that that she would do the same thing.

1508
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that is sound. I think that's great

1509
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:20,560
Speaker 1: wisdom there. So thank you for that.

1510
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:21,600
Speaker 2: And I agree with me.

1511
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: I am going to skewer you on the internet. What

1512
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: a what a dumb thing to say for my fake account,

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01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: not just going in on you. I think that's good advice.

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01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: And I think like you have completed and the way

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01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 1: I was hearing, just like they'd done six weeks, they

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01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: have four more to go. I'm like, you're over the

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01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 1: halfway mark. The issue was like, I also don't necessarily

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01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: feel equipped to give advice in this case. I'm going

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01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 1: to try my best because I am a person who

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01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: will suffer. I will suffer through something and be like,

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01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 1: you just have to finish immigrants. We have that, and

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01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a good thing.

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01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 2: Totally. I had the exact think, Yeah, Yeah.

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01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know what to tell you because

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01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: I know myself. I'm like, I pushed through I'm like,

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01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: it's just four more weeks. But then there's something to

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01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: the art of quitting and knowing when to quit. And

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01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: if you are suffering and you're not learning anything about

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01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: the world or yourself, perhaps it is time to just say,

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01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: you know what, I tried something. I made it to

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01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: the six week mark out of ten total weeks. I'm

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01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: gonna go. Yet, if you are still learning in this,

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01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: in this challenge, if you are gaining a skill that

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01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: is going to serve you later in life, be it resilience,

1535
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: be it being disconnected from familiarity.

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01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 2: Just operating outside your comforta exactly, then it's.

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01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: It's worth it, I think, to finish. But if you're

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01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 1: in danger, if you're emotionally unwell, I would encourage you

1539
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: want to. I hope you have support, the support around

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01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: you to help you, help see you through the end

1541
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: of this experience. And if not, if these things, if

1542
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: you are endangering you don't have support, and it's something

1543
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: is like actively toxic and wearing at you in a

1544
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 1: way that does not feel attenable, you should exit.

1545
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 2: Wow.

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01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 1: Yet I am a person who is like you just

1547
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: gotta ride it out. But that's and I'm trying to

1548
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: work on knowing when to quit. So I don't even

1549
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: know if I'm the right person to ask me. But

1550
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: that's all I could say about that.

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01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 2: That beautiful thank you. I tried my best.

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01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: Thank you, And are you gonna skewer me on the

1553
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: internet now.

1554
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 2: From a fake account so it'll feel like everyone.

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01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: Okay, it's gonna be so many Okay, I've dealt with

1556
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: that before. It turns out it will kill you. Yes,

1557
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: it's crazy, y'all are wild for that, by the way. Okay, well, Simu,

1558
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here.

1559
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 2: I love talking to you.

1560
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: You're the best. I haven't seen Simu since you.

1561
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 2: Hosted ran into each other.

1562
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: It's something I feel like we were at some party

1563
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: where we were packed like sardines a few years ago

1564
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 1: in La. I feel like that is a thing anyway.

1565
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 1: But it's wonderful to see you again, and thank you

1566
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: for coming on here. Appreciate you. Bye, y'all. I love

1567
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: that conversation with Simulio. What a dream. I love him.

1568
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 1: How fun is he? How vulnerable? What a king a prince?

1569
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: Among us? His new show, The Copenhagen Test is available

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Speaker 1: for your viewing pleasure now. It's out there in the

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01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 1: world again. I know I said the holidays are upon us.

1572
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm still feeling the weight of them. Sorry, not sorry,

1573
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: I feel the weight of the holidays. The same goes

1574
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: for birthdays. What are we getting each other a gift

1575
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 1: card and we're gonna love it and we're gonna we're

1576
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: gonna love it and we're gonna keep it and we're

1577
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: gonna smile and we're gonna be so grateful anyone got

1578
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: us anything. But I think gift cards are acceptable. Let's

1579
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: stop shitting on them, and let's watch Semou's show together

1580
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: as a community. All right, Bye, y'all. Thanks Dad. Is

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01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: a production of Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeart Podcast.

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01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm your host Aego wodem Our producer is Kevin Bartelt,

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Speaker 1: and our executive producer is Matt appadaka m HM.