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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the solid verbal hull. That for me, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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<v Speaker 1>Dan and Tie.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the celibverbal boys and girls. My name

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<v Speaker 2>is Ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over there in

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<v Speaker 2>the Burbs, oh Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>The fugitive of this show, Dan Rubisteine, Sir, how are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty good. It's telling that when did we start

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<v Speaker 1>this show. We started this show in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>eight thousand eight, twelve and some odd months ago, twelve

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<v Speaker 1>years and however many months. I can't remember ever thinking

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<v Speaker 1>to myself, Oh, I should definitely pee before doing the show.

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<v Speaker 1>And here we are. I think we both pee now

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<v Speaker 1>regularly before the show because we want to give our

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<v Speaker 1>best and fullest selves to the overballers. I didn't plan

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<v Speaker 1>on starting my conversation like this, but here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be distracted Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to make sure that most focused, that I'm listening,

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm present in each and every moment, and that

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<v Speaker 2>I can give the best show possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Welcome, back, a very awkward way to start the show.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we're here for. Though it is March, it

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<v Speaker 1>still is a college football show.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got college football content that we're going to presume

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<v Speaker 2>to bladder talk, blatder talk, shoots and bladder, shoots and bladders.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>scheduling change, I think on the last show we discussed

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<v Speaker 2>that we're going to do childhood movies with Bill Barnwell.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, kids sports movies from the nineteen nineties, with our

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<v Speaker 2>In lieu of that awesome idea which I was excited

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<v Speaker 2>about and still am excited about. Course, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>Bladder Talk coming in a very strong second. Okay, good

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<v Speaker 2>personal tech, Dan, Yes, personal what does that?

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean to you? What does government mean

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<v Speaker 1>to me? What does personal tech team to me? Anything

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<v Speaker 1>that we used growing up as children, high school, college,

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<v Speaker 1>be it for video games, music, television, computing, any sort

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<v Speaker 1>of gadgetry that is digital and can be considered to

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<v Speaker 1>be using technology. So it's it's a pretty loose term.

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<v Speaker 1>And then up and through what we've used now, what

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<v Speaker 1>we use now on an everyday basis, and what we

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<v Speaker 1>hope to have in our lives. I suppose in the

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<v Speaker 1>next year to five years.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to we need to devote a serious amount

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<v Speaker 2>of time to the Nokia fifty six to fifty the

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<v Speaker 2>phone that everybody had, Literally everybody our age had that phone.

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<v Speaker 1>I was hoping you were gonna say, the game Gear

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<v Speaker 1>TV adapter used eight double A batteries every twenty minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so we got a lot to discuss here. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>that show is only available everbowlers dot Com. Check it

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<v Speaker 2>out for more information.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, on today's show, Dan, Yeah, keep that we're keeping

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<v Speaker 1>with that theme.

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<v Speaker 2>The NCAA Tournament is starting on Friday, apparently, which I

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<v Speaker 2>just discovered via text message.

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<v Speaker 1>With a LINEI fan Scott. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea that this is a Friday type of

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<v Speaker 1>thing now, but playing Drexel nearby, Drexel the Dragons, the Dragons,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. Just another one of the Pennsylvania teams that

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<v Speaker 1>has made the tournament since penn State last died. I

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<v Speaker 1>looked it up. In twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Penn State just tired the assistant from Purdue. The assistant

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<v Speaker 2>from Purdue. Yeah, it's h He's got a funny name.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Shrew's Shrewsbury. I'll look it up. I just read

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<v Speaker 1>about it this morning. I had no idea. Penn State

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<v Speaker 1>lost by two to Temple in twenty eleven. Another Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 1>team that has repeatedly made the tournaments since Pennce State

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<v Speaker 1>last did. I looked it up, TI, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>what I do. The number one movie of the week

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<v Speaker 1>the day that Penn State last appear in the NCAA

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<v Speaker 1>Tournament was Rango Rango Johnny Depp Rango playing a chameleon.

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<v Speaker 1>The number three movie was Red Riding Hood starring Amanda

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<v Speaker 1>Seyfried from downtown pa Alan High. Hey, there's your full circle.

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<v Speaker 2>Continue Micah Shrewsbury by the way, Sistan from Purdue.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are we using as inspiration? We are using upsets,

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<v Speaker 1>buzzer beaters as inspiration, Dan Flip little Gush Johnson as

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<v Speaker 1>some inspiration.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we have gone through our friend Bill Connolly's piece

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<v Speaker 2>that he put out on ESPN dot com. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it was recent. When did he publish this? Probably

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<v Speaker 2>a couple months ago, a couple of months ago, talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the top twenty five games of the twenty twenty season.

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<v Speaker 2>We picked out our favorite five five upsets that we keep.

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<v Speaker 1>Said, tuzzer beaters, something that came down to the wire, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>something in the vein of what attracts people to the

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<v Speaker 1>first round of the NCAA tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we decided we wanted to dissect these from

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<v Speaker 2>a couple different angles. We wanted to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>circumstances going into the game, where each team was, what

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<v Speaker 2>the storylines were going in, how our perception changed after

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of a deep dive, a quick glancing blow,

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<v Speaker 2>an oral history of some of these games as it

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<v Speaker 2>was to be a fan in twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 1>As two people not there as two people not there.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody was there depending on the game. Yeah, it's dealers choice.

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<v Speaker 1>We came up with five games. I don't do we

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<v Speaker 1>have any news? Do you have any like things you

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<v Speaker 1>want to get to before we dive in.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we have to get to the Patriot League later.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh true, That's the only other pressing thing that I

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<v Speaker 2>have at this point. Right, do you want to start

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<v Speaker 2>with LSU Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to. Let's start LSU Florida, which was

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<v Speaker 1>number one right on Bill C's list of the best

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<v Speaker 1>games of the season. And I want to go through

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<v Speaker 1>as we talk about these games, because yes, it was

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<v Speaker 1>clearly an upset. LSU had a crazy down season and

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<v Speaker 1>the game was in Florida and LSU was starting what

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<v Speaker 1>their third string quarterback for the first time in this game,

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<v Speaker 1>and Max Johnson correct. I want to go through and

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<v Speaker 1>sort of dissect and discuss upsets in general, like what

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<v Speaker 1>are the factors what goes into the cocktail of a

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<v Speaker 1>college football upset? Because I think we're going to find

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<v Speaker 1>ingredients mixers in this cocktail that are a point in

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<v Speaker 1>all of these games. The connective tissue in all five

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<v Speaker 1>of these games, not necessarily upsets, but a team either

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<v Speaker 1>completing the upset or getting close or cinching the game

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<v Speaker 1>with a buzzer beater, or holding off holding off a

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<v Speaker 1>team that was going to upset that team. That's I

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<v Speaker 1>think we want to find that connective tissue, especially as

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<v Speaker 1>we look forward to games and say, oh, could this

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<v Speaker 1>be could there be the elements, could there be the mixers?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean there is definitely a through line for

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<v Speaker 2>four of the five. We're going to discuss the ot ball.

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<v Speaker 2>The oddball is coastal in BYU because I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't even know I have a connective tissue all five.

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<v Speaker 2>But continue, Yeah, I mean, I think the most obvious

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<v Speaker 2>thing is that you're talking about a team with lofty expectations,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps title playoff conference championship aspirations, and they get knocked

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<v Speaker 2>off by a team that nobody expects him to get

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<v Speaker 2>knocked off by. So, like, you know, if we with

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<v Speaker 2>Florida and LSU, Florida going into that game had lost

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<v Speaker 2>in week three of the season on the road to

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<v Speaker 2>A and M, but otherwise look pretty killer. They had

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<v Speaker 2>beaten Georgia, they were number six in the college Football

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<v Speaker 2>Playoff rankings, and they were going to get a crack

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<v Speaker 2>at Bama in the SEC title game. So for LSU

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<v Speaker 2>to knock off Florida, LSU was three and five headed

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<v Speaker 2>into that game. The myth that LSU was going to

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<v Speaker 2>go on some run to follow up the Joe Burrow

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<v Speaker 2>season had long diminished.

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<v Speaker 1>They were terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe terrible too strong a word, but they're just disappointing.

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<v Speaker 2>They were disappointing. They were off back to back losses

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<v Speaker 2>coming into that game against A and M and Bama.

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<v Speaker 2>They had also lost a couple of weeks earlier to Auburn.

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<v Speaker 2>They lost Week one against Mississippi State. Remember that's when

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<v Speaker 2>everyone thought that the the Mike Leach experiment was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, taking the conference by storm. Yeah, they had

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<v Speaker 1>no quality wins at this point. They almost lost to

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<v Speaker 1>Arkansas a couple of weeks and that Bama game was

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<v Speaker 1>the game that featured Devonte Smith hauling in like two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty yards worth of catches in the first half. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, LSU by no stretch is an underdog story,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were disappointing at the point in the season

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<v Speaker 2>when they played Florida, and Florida definitely had some SEC

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<v Speaker 2>championship aspirations. They were going to get a crack at Bama.

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<v Speaker 2>They knew it, and so I think, at least from

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<v Speaker 2>our standpoint coming into this game, I remember when we

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<v Speaker 2>previewed it, we felt like this was kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>foregone conclusion, that Florida was just a lot better than LSU,

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<v Speaker 2>that LSU was kind of a mess. They had this

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<v Speaker 2>new quarterback situation, we were sorting it out. We just

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<v Speaker 2>didn't expect much out of LSU, and Florida had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to play for. So for me, the through line

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<v Speaker 2>with that this game, for Florida certainly and some of

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<v Speaker 2>the others that were going to discuss was we had

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<v Speaker 2>a team with lofty expectations that ultimately was felled by

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<v Speaker 2>a team that did not.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think what I have through all five of

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<v Speaker 1>these the connective tissue is there are unexpected wrinkles, both

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of the environment, in terms of the context

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<v Speaker 1>of the game, and in terms of something unexpectedly novel.

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<v Speaker 1>No pun intended with the novel Coronavirus, of course, and

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<v Speaker 1>the wrinkles in this Florida LSU game were pretty vast, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So Florida has no idea what to expect from a

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<v Speaker 1>Max Johnson offense. From a freshman starting they don't really

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<v Speaker 1>know how to game plan for. I mean, obviously he

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<v Speaker 1>does not destroy Florida. He's fine and does make plays,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's ultimately not the biggest reason why LSU won

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<v Speaker 1>this game. You have the wrinkle of the fog. You

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<v Speaker 1>have the wrinkle of a killer penalty at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the game to a shoe and a drive for

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<v Speaker 1>Elise Marco Wilson and the shoe throw. You have uncharacteristic

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<v Speaker 1>mistake and turnovers from Kyle Trask. He goes forty three

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<v Speaker 1>touchdowns to five picks. Two of those picks were in

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<v Speaker 1>this game. One of them was the pick six it

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<v Speaker 1>was Eli Rix and the other one was a freak

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<v Speaker 1>red zone interception and he also had a fumble. So

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<v Speaker 1>there is something about any upset. And we all know

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<v Speaker 1>this that if two teams are going head to head

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<v Speaker 1>and there are not a lot of mistakes made and

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<v Speaker 1>the environment is fine and normal, the better team's going

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<v Speaker 1>to win an overwhelming number of those games. And Florida

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<v Speaker 1>was clearly heading into that game the better team. Another wrinkle,

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Pitts does not suit up for Florida now Kadarius

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<v Speaker 1>Tony is incredible and did plenty to win this game

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<v Speaker 1>himself with his playmaking along with Kyle Trask, But there

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<v Speaker 1>is something about I mean, really, what is a kaide

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<v Speaker 1>York the kicker with just an uncharacteristically vast successful game winning,

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately game winning kick, not a buzzer beater, because Florida

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<v Speaker 1>had an opportunity at the end of the game to

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<v Speaker 1>kick their own kick to ultimately win the game. But

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<v Speaker 1>the wrinkles involved with I think a fifty seven yard

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<v Speaker 1>are in the fog, so foggy that the wirecam had

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<v Speaker 1>to take over as the main camera. Incredible, right, It's

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<v Speaker 1>like piece soup. It was, It absolutely was, and so

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<v Speaker 1>the wrinkles involved in this game, a game in which

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<v Speaker 1>Florida fully out gained LSU healthily. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>by like two hundred issuyard they killed them. Yeah. All

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<v Speaker 1>of that is to say LSU was good enough to

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<v Speaker 1>take advantage of mistakes, to be in the right position

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<v Speaker 1>to take advantage of those mistakes, and those mistakes are

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<v Speaker 1>both mental and physical for Florida if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the shoe throw, but that ultimately is not what lost

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<v Speaker 1>Florida the game, but the broader capital m mistakes on

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<v Speaker 1>Florida's part is what lost the Gators the game. And

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<v Speaker 1>it cannot be stressed enough that of all of the

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<v Speaker 1>ways to lose a football game in an incredible upset,

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<v Speaker 1>a fifty seven yard on the road in a hostile environment,

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<v Speaker 1>in dense, dense from the fog seems like the least likely.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this is a tip of the cap just

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of degree of difficulty, because one of the

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<v Speaker 1>other three points, if you look at a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these games, and it's not necessarily true dramatically in all

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<v Speaker 1>of these is who's picking up free yards, who's returning

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<v Speaker 1>an interception, who is bringing a puntback sixty four yards?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is bringing an interception back to the opponent's eight

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<v Speaker 1>yard line. When you get out gained, you're not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>knowing the full story because there are free yards to pick,

0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.400
<v Speaker 1>the penalty yards tie, all of these things go into

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<v Speaker 1>upsets and LSU just kept hitting, They kept checking all

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<v Speaker 1>of those notches, all those boxes. Do you know, incredible?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know, according to Bill Connolly and his sp

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<v Speaker 2>plus Advanced Metrics, what the post game win expectancy was

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<v Speaker 2>for LSU and what the adjusted scoring margin was.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is him taking all of the numbers, the

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<v Speaker 1>success rates and saying, Okay, a team that is outgained

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<v Speaker 1>and has this percentage more in terms of explosive plays,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how often they will win a game when

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<v Speaker 1>they have these advantages. Correct, So that's post has to

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<v Speaker 1>be Yeah. Postgame win expectancy measures that adjusted scoring margin

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<v Speaker 1>looks at the same stuff but then puts a point

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<v Speaker 1>value on it. So case in point, LSU had beaten

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina earlier in the year by a fifty two

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Score twenty eight points. When Bill c crunched the numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>the adjusting score adjusted scoring margin excuse me in that

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<v Speaker 2>game was that LSU was only about thirteen points better

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<v Speaker 2>right in this Florida game. In this Florida game, ls's

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<v Speaker 2>post game win expectancy was one percent. That's wild one percent.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to guess eighty five in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>Florida eighty five to fifteen one percent for LSU. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>guessing the one percent comes into play because of that

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<v Speaker 2>goofy penalty and how they threw things in favor LSU

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<v Speaker 2>and gave them a shot. The adjusted scoring margin was

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<v Speaker 2>that even though the final score indicated LSU one by

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<v Speaker 2>a thirty seven to thirty four final. He has that

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<v Speaker 2>Florida was actually twenty four points better.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is Malik Davis, who led Florida in rushing averaged

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<v Speaker 1>eleven point six yards per carry. Kadarius Tony, of course

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<v Speaker 1>the Swiss Army knife for the Gators eighteen point seven

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<v Speaker 1>yards per rush. Three carries for fifty six yards, So

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<v Speaker 1>if my math serves, it's something like ten carries for

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and thirty seven I think yards in a

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<v Speaker 1>losing effort by Florida's top two rushers, and Kadarius Tony

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<v Speaker 1>also finished with nearly two hundred yards through the air.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps we should have issued a trigger warning for Florida

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<v Speaker 1>fans before talking about the depths of the improbabilities of

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<v Speaker 1>this loss. But yeah, it's even though Max Johnson didn't

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<v Speaker 1>shred Florida. He was fine. He didn't throw any pain,

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<v Speaker 1>no picks. He made a couple of huge plays when

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<v Speaker 1>there were coverage bus when a corner would blitz and

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<v Speaker 1>a receiver was wide open. He threw a really nice

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown pass early on, and it was just who grabbed

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<v Speaker 1>who stole more of those free yards? I mean LSU

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<v Speaker 1>was more penalized LSU didn't. I mean, it was just

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<v Speaker 1>that pick six and the way Florida's offense stalled in

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<v Speaker 1>the second half, with LSU eventually taking advantage that, on

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<v Speaker 1>top of all of the capital m mistakes, won the

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<v Speaker 1>game for LSU. So improbable, but certainly I think in

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<v Speaker 1>line with how any team upsets another team. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have the spread in this game? I can

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<v Speaker 1>look it up. I don't have it in front of me,

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<v Speaker 1>but no, I think it's it full on matches with

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<v Speaker 1>my elixir. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The storyline going in was that Florida is going to

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<v Speaker 2>get a crack at Bama and this is another speed

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<v Speaker 2>bump because the LSU had not shown much promise again

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<v Speaker 2>they had.

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<v Speaker 1>Lost two in a row. The storyline twenty four point

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<v Speaker 1>favorite twenty four Yeah, yep. The storyline coming out was

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<v Speaker 1>that Florida shot itself in the foot somewhat literally with

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<v Speaker 1>the shoe penalty that put LSU and field goal range.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I think on the LSU side a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of promise because you mentioned Max Johnson and the numbers

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<v Speaker 1>weren't eye popping twenty one to thirty six, two thirty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>passing three touchdowns, no picks, but he just he showed

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<v Speaker 1>a command of the offense that you know, couldn't really

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<v Speaker 1>be represented by any of the numbers. He just really

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<v Speaker 1>looked comfortable running first to start in the swamp in

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<v Speaker 1>the FuG love his career.

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<v Speaker 2>Comfortable and that was a bit of promise for LC

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<v Speaker 2>that they took away from it. So fun game. Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Ce had this one as number one in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do you want to go next?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go do you want to go to that coastal

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<v Speaker 1>BYU game? You say that one for let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil War? Shall we? Let's talk about civil war?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go across the country or whatever we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>call that matchup? Moving forward? Oh right, okay? Oregon State

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon still the Civil War to me? Maybe to you? Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Oregon State wins forty one to thirty eight. Oregon headed

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<v Speaker 2>into this game was three to oh. They had just

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<v Speaker 2>beaten UCLA by thirty eight to thirty five margin, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were ranked eleventh in the AP Top twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Oregon State one to two. They just be cal but

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<v Speaker 2>they had lost to both the Washington schools in the

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<v Speaker 2>first two weeks of the year. Didn't look like Oregon

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<v Speaker 2>State was exactly going to go on some Cinderella run

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<v Speaker 2>to win the PAC twelve. The storyline going into this game,

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<v Speaker 2>at least for me, by.

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<v Speaker 1>The way, everybody watching this game, I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>the only game on Yeah right right at the moment, Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Storyline going in for me kind of the same going out,

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<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't so much a definitive as it was

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<v Speaker 2>a question is this a lost season for the PAC twelve?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it really count?

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<v Speaker 2>Does Oregon have a realistic shot at the playoff or

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<v Speaker 2>really anything outside of winning the PAC twelve given the

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<v Speaker 2>odd circumstances that led to a very abbreviated PAC twelve season, Dan,

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<v Speaker 2>what was your take on that? What was your take

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<v Speaker 2>on that? Because I recall us having a conversation where

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<v Speaker 2>you were like, yeah, Oregon's not good enough to be

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<v Speaker 2>much of anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this was sort of at the height of the

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<v Speaker 1>broadcasters treating every game as if it's important if it

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<v Speaker 1>has clear playoff implications. We're not talking about any sort

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<v Speaker 1>of important game if it doesn't have playoff implications. So

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of set me off during the season of like,

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<v Speaker 1>what can we just watch a football game and enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>it and hope for a fun finish and good performances. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this was clear in this game. Watching this game because Oregon,

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<v Speaker 1>because well they were undefeated, there were three and oh

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<v Speaker 1>coming game I believe. Yeah, I was not a big

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<v Speaker 1>believer in Oregon. And the passing game started showing some

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<v Speaker 1>weakness and some struggle. UCLA was blitzing the hell out

0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.440
<v Speaker 1>of Tyler Shuck and he was struggling with that. So

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<v Speaker 1>there were some moments and they were kind of sloppy

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<v Speaker 1>against Wazoo, but they pulled that out in a strong

0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.560
<v Speaker 1>second half. Oregon looked like they were going to run

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<v Speaker 1>away with this one. They scored twenty one within the

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<v Speaker 1>first quarter and three or four minutes. They were humming

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<v Speaker 1>offensively and getting enough stops. The issue is they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>tackling all game long. Even when they were getting stops,

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't tackling, and tackling is about effort. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to accuse Oregon players of not playing with effort,

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<v Speaker 1>but for whatever reason, they were not tackling well in

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<v Speaker 1>this game. And there's another game that can be highlighted

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<v Speaker 1>with that lack of tackling acumen that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get into as well. So what struck me about this

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<v Speaker 1>game is Oregon as a team on both sides of

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<v Speaker 1>the ball, they came up short situationally and in high

0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:47.200
<v Speaker 1>leverage moments, even though they got a stop with I

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<v Speaker 1>think two minutes left in this game up, they're winning

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<v Speaker 1>in this game with two minutes and they get a

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<v Speaker 1>stop deep in their own territory, Oregon States driving. They

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<v Speaker 1>go for it on fourth and ten and Oregon gets

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<v Speaker 1>a stop, so they essentially need a first down or

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<v Speaker 1>two to ice this game, and they immediately get two.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically nothing gains on the ground to let the clock

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<v Speaker 1>tick and have Oregon State called timeouts and then they

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<v Speaker 1>throw it, which is controversial, right the idea of third

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<v Speaker 1>and ten, we can take forty seconds off with an

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<v Speaker 1>inconsequential run and punt it or force the team to

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember recall how many timeouts Oregon State had

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<v Speaker 1>left in that moment. I don't know if they had any,

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<v Speaker 1>But any case, that's the conservative yet somewhat if not

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<v Speaker 1>usually effective move right play clock. So they decide to

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<v Speaker 1>pass it, and it was another example of Oregon really

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<v Speaker 1>struggling through the air. Tyler Schuck struggling to lead this

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<v Speaker 1>offense in a high leverage moment late in the game

0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.920
<v Speaker 1>and threw a nothing incomplete pass gave the ball back

0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:52.879
<v Speaker 1>to Oregon State. Oregon couldn't get any drops, their linebackers

0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:55.639
<v Speaker 1>struggled in coverage of this game. And this was another

0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.320
<v Speaker 1>foggy game, by the way, So there's your wrinkle. There's

0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:02.320
<v Speaker 1>a wrinkle a rival game with fog and LSU Florida

0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.840
<v Speaker 1>is its own rivalry, of course, but it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a rivalry game with fog with I think Oregon's missing

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<v Speaker 1>a key receiver. I don't think Micah Pittman played in

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<v Speaker 1>this game, but whatever, everybody's missing players all season long

0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:19.520
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty and just looking uncomfortable. Whereas Oregon State

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<v Speaker 1>was coming up big, Tristan Jebbia came up really nicely

0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:26.280
<v Speaker 1>in big moments. Jamar Jefferson obviously ran all over Oregon State,

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<v Speaker 1>and Oregon did have a shot at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>this game to get I suppose into field goal range,

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<v Speaker 1>but at this point Oregon didn't really have a kicking

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<v Speaker 1>game to speak of, so I don't know how much

0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:39.639
<v Speaker 1>of an option that was. But those last two drives

0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:43.880
<v Speaker 1>for the Oregon offense were indicative of a team that

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<v Speaker 1>was not prepared to close out games no matter the

0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:52.199
<v Speaker 1>quality of opponent. And so Oregon State just showed up

0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:53.880
<v Speaker 1>to the game, showed up to the moment, and made

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<v Speaker 1>those plays. And there were the stops at the end

0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:58.399
<v Speaker 1>of the game that you know Oregon was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get a goal line stand and ultimately that took off

0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:03.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time and Oregon State eventually punches it

0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:07.440
<v Speaker 1>in and there was there was no real cohesive plan

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the game for Tyler Schuck to

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<v Speaker 1>go downfield successfully throw double coverage a couple times. And

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon State the clear, clear better team one at home

0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:21.719
<v Speaker 1>in the fog, and I can pull up the spread

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<v Speaker 1>in this game, but it was it was striking to

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<v Speaker 1>see how much over the course of the game this

0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Oregon offense stalled like it came out in such impressive fashion.

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<v Speaker 1>And the three point is winning on the road is tough.

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<v Speaker 1>Winning on the road and the fog is tough. And

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon State was sort of a team with nothing to lose.

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<v Speaker 1>They outgained Oregon, they played hard, and they rose to

0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:48.480
<v Speaker 1>every large occasion. And Oregon by the way, with three

0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:51.320
<v Speaker 1>turnovers in Oregon State with none, still with an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to win.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and still with a sixty two percent postgame win expectancy, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>which if you've turned the ball over a couple times

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<v Speaker 2>like that, you don't usually have a number that high.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill c still has them as about a three point

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<v Speaker 2>victor in the game, kind of again adjusted scoring margins, so.

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:12.000
<v Speaker 1>A close game by any stretch.

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.320
<v Speaker 2>He's not looking at this one in the same manner

0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 2>that he did the Florida LSU game.

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 1>It was obviously much tighter, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, rightly or wrongly, Dan, After Oregon dropped this game,

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<v Speaker 2>we still covered the PAC twelve.

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:28.960
<v Speaker 1>We always cover everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>But in my mind, I sort of just like lost

0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the expectations I had for the PAC twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, it wasn't It wasn't like a there

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<v Speaker 1>was something I was gonna say something interesting about LSU

0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Florida was not a high quality football game. No, it

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:50.639
<v Speaker 1>got you win from Morgan State. But it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>you left that game thinking, man, just Haymakers after Haymakers.

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Now somebody had to lose.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, I think we've been conditioned to look at a

0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 2>week what was this thirteen game?

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:04.159
<v Speaker 1>A rivalry game.

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Like it's got some real national significance, And in hindsight,

0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 2>none of these games really did. They just they didn't

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 2>really And after Oregon lost, it was kind of like

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:17.879
<v Speaker 2>the dam broke for me, and I just kind of

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 2>didn't care about the PAC twelve in the same way

0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.400
<v Speaker 2>that I might otherwise, which is.

0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Through no fouth of the PAC twelve.

0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it was really hard to get jazzed up

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:32.359
<v Speaker 2>for Pac twelve football after what I thought was the

0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:35.439
<v Speaker 2>best team in the conference lost on the road to

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 2>its biggest rival.

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:41.119
<v Speaker 1>I think that's correct. Yep, all right, let's go to

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Indiana Penn State. Let's oh man, there's a lot to

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 1>unpack here.

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 2>So this is different because I think all the other

0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:57.679
<v Speaker 2>games that we're going to discuss happened after teams had

0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 2>played at least one game. We're gonna talk about Texas Twistech.

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 2>That was the second game of the year for both teams.

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:08.600
<v Speaker 2>But in the case of Penn State Indiana, both teams

0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 2>were unbeaten and untested because it was week one.

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 1>Yes, this is an upset of expectations. Yeah, of the season.

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Remember now, the Big Ten season was delayed until Week

0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 2>eight of the larger season that was twenty twenty, so

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:26.400
<v Speaker 2>we really had no idea what to expect.

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 1>We were both pretty high on Indiana. We liked Indiana.

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:31.760
<v Speaker 1>We felt like they were building something we still do.

0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Penn State had gotten a lot of acclaim going into

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:40.160
<v Speaker 2>this season. They had Micah Parsons who was opting out,

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:43.679
<v Speaker 2>but I think we still thought very highly of what

0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Penn State could do. And despite the fact that we

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:51.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't really know what to expect, it was kind of

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 2>a thought that Penn State is going to play Ohio

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:59.440
<v Speaker 2>State pretty early on in the year, and that could

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:04.320
<v Speaker 2>benefit Penn State because you know Ohio States, maybe they're

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:07.520
<v Speaker 2>going to be a little untested, Maybe because of COVID

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 2>they're not going to be there are.

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Lost bunch of key guys on defense.

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the secondary right, we had questions like Penn State

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 2>could take advantage of this. So going into the game,

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 2>I think we were pretty excited about it. I remember

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:28.119
<v Speaker 2>watching on my patio on my iPad and just being

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 2>transfixed by the way that this game unfolded. Sure, if

0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 2>you look at Bill C's post game win expectancy, the

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 2>takeaway here is that Penn State played well enough to win,

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 2>and he had them at a ninety five percent postgame

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 2>win expectancy that they were fifteen or sixteen points better

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:58.720
<v Speaker 2>than Indiana. But Indiana capitalized on the opportunities that it

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 2>did get, and this one had an unbelievablending went to overtime.

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Indiana eventually ends up winning thirty six to thirty five,

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:12.879
<v Speaker 2>going for two in overtime. That amazing play where Michael

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Penick scrambles to his left, he lays out dives towards

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:20.399
<v Speaker 2>the pylon. The refs gave it to him. Replay was inconclusive.

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:24.679
<v Speaker 1>I still feel like he was short, okay, but he

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>got the call and there wasn't enough to overturn it.

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Regardless of how you feel about that play, an incredible

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 1>individual effort by Panics to at least give his team

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 1>a shot to win the football game. So a lot

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>to unpack about the game itself. The immediate takeaway for

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>me was that Indiana was legit, and also that penn

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 1>stated played well enough to win in some regard. The

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 1>longer term takeaway is actually a lot more interesting to

0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>me because it was still that Indiana was legit a

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 1>really good team, nobody will deny that, but also that

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of the luster of that Penn State

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 1>win had faded, if only because Penn State started zero

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 1>to five, right and they lost to al State, and

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 1>then they lost to Maryland Nebraska in Iowa. It took

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 1>them a while to get it together down the stretch.

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 1>They got better and they ripped off a couple wins

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>to close out the season, but certainly by virtue of

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Penn State losing a bunch four games after that Indiana game,

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>it was a little bit of a diminished accomplishment for Indiana,

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 1>rightly or wrongly wrongly. I mean, look, Indiana did not

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>play that good of a game. This was not LSU

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 1>played an interesting game against Florida. They made big plays.

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 1>They came up big in big moments, and same can

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 1>be said for Oregon State. They the plays were made

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Indiana on offense especially. I mean we're talking about what

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Penn State missed three few goals, one of which was

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>a twenty five yarder. Yes, they commit ten penalties for

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>one hundred yards, so which is okay in week one, right,

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 1>you can you can get things fixed. I mean not

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 1>that Penn State necessarily did in terms of mistakes, but

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 1>the game was there for Penn State as you mentioned,

0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 1>and Indiana, I suppose what's the adage of, like, you

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 1>don't have to be faster than a bear, you just

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 1>have to be faster than your friend faster. You don't

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 1>have to be faster than the bear, just faster than

0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 1>your buddy. Yeah right, And so I in rewatching this game,

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 1>it was pretty obvious to me that both Indiana and

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Penn State slathered themselves in beef and then decided to

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 1>run into an area populated by, you know, mistake prone bears,

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 1>which is what this game was a giant mistake prone

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 1>bear coming for somebody. And so Penn State makes those mistakes.

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 1>And even that first drive is a thirteen play drive.

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 1>And the thing that was striking about and I don't

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:56.320
<v Speaker 1>watch this game first, is the Penn State offense, intentionally

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 1>or not, was basically built around like, hey, we're going

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:01.440
<v Speaker 1>to run RPOs and hope for six or seven yards

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 1>and maybe we'll get three or four. And there is

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 1>something so dangerous about trusting college kids to execute fully

0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>all eleven dudes for long drives. And that ultimately is

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 1>aside from the field goal. I mean, Sean Clifford was

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 1>off and you guys were getting beat repeatedly in one

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>on one matchups, and there was just something about Indiana

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>hanging around. Was that Marci player on the first line

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 1>of sexydunty. This was a hangaround game for Indiana. Obviously,

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Sean Clifford connects with Johan Dotson late for that big

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it was a sixty yard touchdown, But otherwise

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>there was not much to either one of these offenses,

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 1>and Indiana took advantage when they could, and the defense

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:43.240
<v Speaker 1>played pretty well and just kept Penn State's offense and

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:47.479
<v Speaker 1>check but offensively, there was nothing remarkable about about excuse me,

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Indiana rising to the moment. So this is one of

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 1>those games where somebody has to win, somebody has to win,

0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>and that play was that wrinkle. I suppose in terms

0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 1>of this game, that freak play overtime, But this was

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>not a classic upset, more of a happenstance kind of upset,

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>and that's okay. But the wrinkle was that it's week

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 1>one and that Penn State uncharacteristically made just maybe characteristic

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>for twenty twenty, but just a myriad of mistakes, and

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>that's where Indiana was able to take advantage of those.

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Free yards and I seem to recall going into this

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 2>game that one of our talking points on the preview

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 2>show was that you should take Indiana and the points.

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 2>What did we say that the point spread was here,

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at it everything like five points, I forget,

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 2>but it was a lower number.

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Seven points touchdown.

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I remember saying this is a great place to

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 2>take Indiana because what we were seeing as a trend

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.840
<v Speaker 2>at that point was in the early part of the

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 2>season for pretty much every team they were playing below expectations.

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 2>There was just such goofy circumstances that brought us to

0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:10.479
<v Speaker 2>the start of the season at all that it was.

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:12.959
<v Speaker 2>It was a bridge too far to expect that anyone

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 2>was going to go out there and just be killer.

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 2>So hopefully you cashed Indiana in getting the plus value there.

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I plus to be thrilled to have.

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Plus two five money line. So you getting two to

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 2>one odds on Indiana to win.

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Outright, it was such a bad offense to watch of

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Penn States, even aside from the interceptions, it was just

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 1>it felt like they were trying to win five yard fields. Yeah,

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>all year, all year, and there's I don't know, if

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 1>you watch that Sark Clinic talk that he gave right

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 1>where he talked about how he almost never, if ever,

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:55.720
<v Speaker 1>has routes run by Alabama receivers that involved them stopping

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.360
<v Speaker 1>and sitting in zones or you know, stopping right, you know,

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>come back, like he doesn't have that. He wants his

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 1>receivers catching the ball in stride just because he wants

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 1>explosive plays. He doesn't want to trust eleven guys working

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 1>perfectly together for eleven, twelve, thirteen plays every drive. And

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 1>there was something about that Penn State offense where like,

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 1>I hear you, but what if we just four and

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 1>a half yard at at a time? It was tough,

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 1>all right, and that's why they made a change. Let's

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:23.320
<v Speaker 1>go to the great State of Texas.

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Dan.

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, what a game.

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Both teams had played one game. Texas Tech barely beat

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Houston Baptist thirty five thirty three. Bill connolly had them

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 2>losing by three or four points postgame adjusted scoring margin.

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 2>So not a great start for Texas Tech.

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>In Matt Wells.

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:49.839
<v Speaker 2>On the Texas side, they were one to zero. They

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 2>were a top ten team. They had just completely retooled

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 2>offense and defense in the offseason, so a lot of

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 2>promise for Tom Herman coming into this year with what

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:04.960
<v Speaker 2>they could do with this new staff. Now, I think

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:09.320
<v Speaker 2>in hindsight we recognize really difficult circumstances. We say it

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:12.800
<v Speaker 2>a thousand times a show, really difficult circumstances to install

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 2>anything new. You're doing calls and game planning over zoom like.

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 2>It's just it was not optimal for anybody. But the

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 2>playing field was level in that regard. The storyline going

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 2>in was that Texas had all this hope. The storyline

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 2>coming out was, Okay, we beat Texas Tech by seven

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 2>in overtime. Maybe still a work in progress. Dan scratched

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:37.360
<v Speaker 2>and clawed.

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe maybe not quite the upset, but Herman needed

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 1>to shape up. It was a buzz though it ended

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 1>with what a pick at the end? Right? Yes, yes

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:52.719
<v Speaker 1>it did. Okay, it's a buzzer beater in its own way.

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Texas followed up this effort by dropping too straight to

0:35:57.320 --> 0:36:01.480
<v Speaker 2>TCU and Oklahoma, and maybe this was a harbinger of

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 2>things to come.

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Obviously, Tom Herman is no longer the

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:09.400
<v Speaker 1>head football coach at u T at Austin. But this

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>is a fun game.

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.880
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of offense, right, There was There was

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot here from a fans standpoint to just watch

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:18.600
<v Speaker 2>and enjoy the points. But certainly, if you were a

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Texas fan, this is the not the showing that you wanted.

0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 1>On defense, Do you know how hard it is for

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Texas to be down what they were down fifteen and

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 1>make that comeback thanks to an on sidekick in the

0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 1>last second drive to send it to overtime and then

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:34.880
<v Speaker 1>win it in overtime? Do you know how hard it

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>is to do when the defense completely other than one

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 1>play they stopped Texas Tech on the ground. They pick

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:45.839
<v Speaker 1>off British comedy legend Alan Bowman three times, Sam Ellen

0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Girl only throws one pick. They move the ball pretty

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 1>well all at least in that middle section of the game,

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:56.839
<v Speaker 1>the first half especially. I think they scored what thirty

0:36:56.840 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 1>points in the first half. You scored thirty points in

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 1>the first half of a game and you still have

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 1>to claw back because you're down big is a wild

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 1>way to live your life as a football program. And

0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you're right, and we talked about this too with Tom Herman,

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:12.920
<v Speaker 1>where it's just like, if this is where they are,

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.399
<v Speaker 1>this many years into Tom Herman's tenure, where they need

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 1>to come back to win by double digits against a

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:22.399
<v Speaker 1>flawed Texas Tech team, not a horrible Texas Tech team,

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:25.400
<v Speaker 1>but one that just got by Houston Baptist barely. This

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:28.760
<v Speaker 1>is how old is your niece or your oldest niece.

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Oldest niece is going to be ten eleven, it's going

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 1>to be eleven. Yeah, it's going to be eleven years old.

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 1>If you were to play her one on one on

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:41.280
<v Speaker 1>the basketball court and spot her five, playing up to eleven,

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 1>but all of a sudden you're down nine to one,

0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 1>and all you're like, oh, I have to get my

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 1>act together, yea quickly. I have to scramble and start

0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 1>swatting shots and being mean because I can't lose this game.

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.320
<v Speaker 1>It had that vibe on the rewatch tie. It absolutely

0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 1>had that vibe on the rewatch and I, you know,

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:03.720
<v Speaker 1>I opted out of Texas football and sort of pouring

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of emotion into the Horns pretty early on

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:10.880
<v Speaker 1>in the season after games like this. But watching this

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:15.279
<v Speaker 1>game specifically Texas Tech was really fun. On offense. It

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:19.360
<v Speaker 1>was what TJ. Vasher made big plays, Dude, Kashan Carter

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>like they It was an explosive play aganza. And that's

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the wrinkle to me is that you know, Texas needs

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 1>to pull out this game. They need that on side kick,

0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 1>they need that last second drive, and they need that

0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:33.239
<v Speaker 1>pick to seal things. But it's just if you are

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 1>looking to quote unquote upset a team, you need to

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 1>be turnover focused on defense, so taking chances and you know,

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.160
<v Speaker 1>getting hands and passing lanes by your defensive line, whatever,

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 1>getting tips, which Texas Tech was able to do. They

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:50.280
<v Speaker 1>turn turnovers into points. But also you got to take shots.

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:52.759
<v Speaker 1>You cannot hope to nickel and dime your way to

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.480
<v Speaker 1>an upset win. No matter what Indiana was able to

0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:58.840
<v Speaker 1>pull off. That is not a great strategy for defeating

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 1>a team consider more talented than your team. And so

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.400
<v Speaker 1>what Tech was able to do four penalties for fifteen

0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 1>yards Texas ten for one hundred. There's you're hidden yards

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.399
<v Speaker 1>in this game. And even though Tech does out turn

0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 1>over the Horns, they also out explosive played the Horns.

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, that huge run from Sir Rodrick Wasroderick Thompson,

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:25.239
<v Speaker 1>that's his name, was incredible and the Texas tackling was

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 1>so woeful all game long. They not only should have

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:31.880
<v Speaker 1>lost this game, they probably could have lost to Houston

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Baptist the way that they were tackling, especially early on

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 1>in the season. Yeah, I mean.

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:43.239
<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing for me now headed into the sark Era,

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:46.920
<v Speaker 2>especially in light of what we saw last year, they

0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 2>had the same sequence of games Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay earlier in the year, starting the end of September.

0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:57.319
<v Speaker 2>So hopefully for their sake, it goes a little bit

0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 2>of a different direction and they're not witting by the

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:02.200
<v Speaker 2>skin of their t Keith against Texas Tech and then

0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 2>losing to TCU in Oklahoma.

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:07.839
<v Speaker 1>But we'll see. I don't know, they have their chance

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 1>to get some redemption a year later. I almost can understand,

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 1>and I can write off major tackling issues early on

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 1>in the twenty twenty season when you don't have that

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.799
<v Speaker 1>same sort of live fall camps you know, to get

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 1>used to. I mean, it's about effort, but it's also

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:25.439
<v Speaker 1>about just comfort in a system. I can write off

0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 1>that to a certain extent for a number of teams

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 1>early on in twenty twenty. But with a fourth year

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 1>starting quarterback to not have that kind of explosive offensive

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:39.240
<v Speaker 1>success all game long against Texas Tech, that's the part

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 1>that seems inexcusable. They had big plays and then they

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:47.399
<v Speaker 1>just would become wildly inefficient, you know the next drive.

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 1>So that to me was the takeaway that, like, yeah,

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:53.759
<v Speaker 1>this was almost more obvious than anything else. You know,

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:55.600
<v Speaker 1>they have the loss to TCU where they get pushed

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 1>around on the ground but needing over time and get

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 1>having up fifty plus points to Texas Tech, Like, well,

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the program clearly hasn't arrived to an acceptable place. So yeah,

0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:10.240
<v Speaker 1>this was it was a good hold on, I suppose,

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 1>and wild It was a wildly entertaining game at the

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:15.880
<v Speaker 1>end of the fourth quarter in overtime, but damn the

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 1>wrinkles were there all right.

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:22.759
<v Speaker 2>And our final game here, Dan is the bigin this

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:30.400
<v Speaker 2>is the big en Coastal Carolina twenty two BYU seventeen.

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:33.439
<v Speaker 2>So here is the lay of the land headed into

0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 2>this game. Coastal was nine to zero. They were eighteenth

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 2>in the College Football Playoff rankings, highering the other polls.

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:41.840
<v Speaker 2>In general, though, just a ton of fun to watch,

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:44.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of the darling of the twenty twenty season. A

0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:47.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of folks didn't know who they were. Had the

0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:50.759
<v Speaker 2>heel field, the shot of the close calls too A

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:53.359
<v Speaker 2>bunch of close calls. They're fun to watch, and if

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:55.839
<v Speaker 2>you watch this game, if you watch any Coastal Carolina,

0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.359
<v Speaker 2>they were legit fun as hell to watch because I think,

0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 2>as I've said time and again, their offense is a

0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 2>combination of every offense.

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Every offense they're like, that's what they do. They do everything,

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:09.000
<v Speaker 1>So that is the wrinkle for them.

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:12.839
<v Speaker 2>And Grayson McCall, their quarterback, the freshman, very very good,

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:16.360
<v Speaker 2>no doubt about it. On the BYU side of things,

0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 2>they were also nine to zero headed into this game.

0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Their quarterback, Zach Wilson is going to get drafted very

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:25.400
<v Speaker 2>highly in the upcoming NFL Draft. They were thirteenth in

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:28.319
<v Speaker 2>the college football playoff rankings headed into this game, but

0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:31.399
<v Speaker 2>eighth in the Associated Press poll, so people thought very

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:34.560
<v Speaker 2>highly of the Kops headed into this football game.

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 1>This is my favorite game of the year. This is

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:38.839
<v Speaker 1>my favorite game of the year.

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:44.760
<v Speaker 2>And the oddity here was that it came together sixty

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 2>hours before kickoff. Due to circumstances. Coastal was supposed to

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:53.239
<v Speaker 2>play Liberty, but the Flames had a COVID issue. A

0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 2>bunch of guys came down with it. They couldn't follow

0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:59.239
<v Speaker 2>through and play that game. But BYU was also looking

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 2>for an opponent, and so they made it happen. They

0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 2>made it happen. The game did not disappoint. The takeaway

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 2>here was that both teams acquitted themselves quite well for

0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:14.239
<v Speaker 2>my money, the game of the year. The bigger thing,

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 2>which we can talk more about after we talked about

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:20.640
<v Speaker 2>the game itself, was I think that college football should

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 2>take another look at how it allows teams to schedule.

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:27.600
<v Speaker 2>We're so used to this policy of scheduling games fifteen

0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:29.920
<v Speaker 2>years in advance, the home and homes with Alabama or

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Ohio State.

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:33.400
<v Speaker 1>But this one came together.

0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 2>A couple hours before, sixty hours before it actually happened,

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 2>and it did not disappoint. It was exactly what we

0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 2>needed at that moment in the college football season. Dax

0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Milne for BYU stopped.

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Like a yard short as time expired.

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:56.040
<v Speaker 2>So a great ending, an awesome matchup Mormons versus Mullets.

0:43:56.520 --> 0:43:58.760
<v Speaker 2>So this had everything that you want as a college

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 2>football fan. A lot people got into it. I remember

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.000
<v Speaker 2>they made a big deal of it on College Game Day.

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Of course it was Field Conway.

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a great moment for both schools to be part

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 2>of this and truly I don't say this slightly truly,

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:14.360
<v Speaker 2>this is what we needed in twenty twenty as sports fans,

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:18.600
<v Speaker 2>because so much of the season had been a flaming

0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:23.760
<v Speaker 2>pile of you know what sure postpone Min's uncertainty weekend

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:28.160
<v Speaker 2>and week out. They effectively steered into all of that

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:30.440
<v Speaker 2>and gave us the best game of the year. So

0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:33.640
<v Speaker 2>I will always remember this game fondly. I hope BYU

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:35.520
<v Speaker 2>fans do as well, even though it didn't have the

0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:39.319
<v Speaker 2>desired outcome, Just to be part of that I think

0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 2>is really unique and special in a otherwise strange season.

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Agree agree, but still disagree with punting on fourth and

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 1>two from your own forty seven to close out the game.

0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:54.319
<v Speaker 1>Still disagree with it. Even though Bhyu drove the length

0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 1>of the field pretty quickly and they got to what

0:44:57.280 --> 0:44:59.560
<v Speaker 1>the one or two yard line where they were, they

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:01.839
<v Speaker 1>were still owned to try to win this game because

0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:03.319
<v Speaker 1>they're down five, so they have to get into the

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:07.360
<v Speaker 1>end zone. So still disagree with that call, I thought

0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:10.640
<v Speaker 1>because of how well Coastal played, and the wrinkle in

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 1>this game is obviously what you mentioned, the Coastal offense

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:15.880
<v Speaker 1>and preparing for it with almost no time because of

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:19.000
<v Speaker 1>that option element because of the unorthodox way that the

0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:21.120
<v Speaker 1>Shans play on offense where they can throw the ball,

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:23.560
<v Speaker 1>but there is that option element that's quite successful as well.

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:25.880
<v Speaker 1>That to me was the difference, and of course the

0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:28.240
<v Speaker 1>wrinkle of just not having time in general and traveling

0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:31.640
<v Speaker 1>across the country, going from Provo to Conways, It's got

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:34.560
<v Speaker 1>to be some kind of weird journey to connect those

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 1>two places. So I understand all of that. In rewatching

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:43.319
<v Speaker 1>the game was it was so clear to me that

0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:46.600
<v Speaker 1>watching Zach Wilson play football that it would have been

0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 1>far more interesting to watch him play and this is

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:52.240
<v Speaker 1>no intended slide at BYU to see him against bigger opponents,

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:53.839
<v Speaker 1>to see him on a bigger stage, to see him

0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 1>perhaps with a bigger time receiver. And I like this guy.

0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 1>It was a dex Milne and gosh were the I

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 1>mean it was Tyson Algeer in the backfield. All these

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 1>names start flowing away from my brain when we get

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:09.320
<v Speaker 1>into this Neil Neil Powe, Neil nick Pow, Neil Powe.

0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I think there was a Romney prominently featured with BYU.

0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:19.920
<v Speaker 1>So there was something about this game with Coastal really

0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:23.839
<v Speaker 1>bending and not trying to break that paid off. That

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.279
<v Speaker 1>is a way to win this game. But yeah, this

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.440
<v Speaker 1>game definitely had the feel of the Wrinkle. It definitely

0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 1>had the feel of UH BYU not fully adjusting in

0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:36.239
<v Speaker 1>those big moments to figuring out what Coastal can do

0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:40.600
<v Speaker 1>on the ground, especially with Grayson McCall. I loved rewatching

0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:42.919
<v Speaker 1>this game because there this was one of those very

0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:47.120
<v Speaker 1>rare games where you could kind of get a sense

0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:50.280
<v Speaker 1>for the emotion involved in the stadium. I'm not saying

0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:53.759
<v Speaker 1>any team was wrong to limit fans or have no

0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:57.040
<v Speaker 1>fans like do your thing. I understand every cent of that,

0:46:57.719 --> 0:47:01.800
<v Speaker 1>but also there was something nice about if you suspend

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:04.360
<v Speaker 1>everything in your brain. There was something nice about sensing

0:47:04.400 --> 0:47:06.279
<v Speaker 1>the energy in a stadium for a big game that

0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:07.480
<v Speaker 1>this game also featured.

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think to the point just the fact

0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:18.879
<v Speaker 2>that it was BYU, that it was Coastal Carolina, two

0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:22.040
<v Speaker 2>teams that are not used to being featured on this

0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:25.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of stage, it was very fitting of the twenty

0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:28.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty season that they brought us as much joy as

0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:29.000
<v Speaker 2>they did.

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that and I think the answer is yes,

0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:34.880
<v Speaker 1>but that's my opinion. Do you think that there is

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:37.920
<v Speaker 1>something or there was something so appealing about this matchup,

0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:40.640
<v Speaker 1>not just because of the way it came together, but

0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:44.600
<v Speaker 1>because the top of the sport, even with what BYU

0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:48.120
<v Speaker 1>and Coastal are both undefeated at this point. Do you

0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:53.480
<v Speaker 1>think there was something inherently and newly appealing about two

0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.239
<v Speaker 1>undefeated teams playing with no chance at playing in the

0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:58.719
<v Speaker 1>college football Playoff? No matter what you might have thought

0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 1>about BYU at the time, they were the more likely

0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:03.640
<v Speaker 1>to him, I guess, but no chance of the playoff

0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:07.280
<v Speaker 1>that this was there was something refreshing about caring about

0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:10.360
<v Speaker 1>a game not having to do with the playoff, and

0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:16.560
<v Speaker 1>also just it lived outside of the foregone conclusion section

0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:20.120
<v Speaker 1>of the sport that the teams that are so advantaged

0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:23.480
<v Speaker 1>like Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, you know, George, Oklahoma, all

0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:28.520
<v Speaker 1>these schools that there was there was something nice about

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 1>watching this game that just had fun implications, not playoff implications.

0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure, for sure? And yeah no, so I

0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:41.480
<v Speaker 1>agree one hundred percent. There it's a pushback against that

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:42.360
<v Speaker 1>element of the sport.

0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, and you always have that with college football, right

0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:49.280
<v Speaker 2>you had that with UCF. Remember when they declared themselves

0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:52.920
<v Speaker 2>national champions and we had folks riding in calling, in

0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:55.640
<v Speaker 2>telling us UCF deserves a shot. You always have that

0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:58.560
<v Speaker 2>underdog component to college football, and that's part of what

0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:02.440
<v Speaker 2>makes it special. So the underdog story to me was

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:04.400
<v Speaker 2>first off, that they played the game at all, and

0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:07.799
<v Speaker 2>then secondly that this got the kind of stage that

0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:10.839
<v Speaker 2>it did because of how it came about. Because both

0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:14.479
<v Speaker 2>teams to that point and through the season, frankly had

0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:18.880
<v Speaker 2>really good years. They're both up there worth talking about,

0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:19.600
<v Speaker 2>worth watching.

0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:22.640
<v Speaker 1>These are really good teams. Yeah. I will push back.

0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:26.839
<v Speaker 2>A little bit though, on the point that neither one

0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:29.759
<v Speaker 2>had a shot. I think we know in hindsight, and

0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:33.040
<v Speaker 2>I think we knew if we thought about it, if

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:37.200
<v Speaker 2>we really came to our senses, we knew that neither

0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:40.400
<v Speaker 2>team was going to play for anything. But at the time,

0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:45.399
<v Speaker 2>like we were postponing games left and right, we didn't

0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 2>even know if there would be a playoff, a bowl season,

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:52.960
<v Speaker 2>a postseason. So I think there was definitely an element

0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 2>here of not taking anything for granted moving forward, and

0:49:57.640 --> 0:50:00.759
<v Speaker 2>that's what made this game as bet as it ended

0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:03.279
<v Speaker 2>up being. We just didn't know what the future was

0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:06.440
<v Speaker 2>going to hold in football, in life, there's a lot

0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:08.279
<v Speaker 2>going sideways I.

0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Had forgotten about the fact that there was there was

0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:12.439
<v Speaker 1>no love lost between these two love them, they hated

0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:15.080
<v Speaker 1>each other. It was it was contentious. You had the

0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:18.359
<v Speaker 1>halftime fight because of the way that Coastal players went

0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:21.320
<v Speaker 1>after Zach Wilson when he threw that Hail Mary pick,

0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:24.279
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I think they try to double team

0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:26.640
<v Speaker 1>block him, like, oh, this is opportunity to hit him

0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:30.279
<v Speaker 1>with live play going on. And so there was a

0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:35.279
<v Speaker 1>scrap at midfield at the start of halftime. So I

0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:38.799
<v Speaker 1>just I like that inherent emotion. Oh yeah, fighting and

0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:40.640
<v Speaker 1>getting hurt. But you know, it was it was nice

0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:44.520
<v Speaker 1>to feel the bad blood. Yeah, to feel to feel

0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:45.320
<v Speaker 1>that bad blood.

0:50:45.560 --> 0:50:49.920
<v Speaker 2>It felt very authentic in a way that look, we

0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:51.799
<v Speaker 2>talked to a lot of college football fans, a lot

0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:55.080
<v Speaker 2>of people were very ambivalent about this season, didn't know

0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:59.200
<v Speaker 2>how to feel sure, and this authentically got the juices flowing.

0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:03.080
<v Speaker 2>And again, to further my own point, they played this

0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:07.040
<v Speaker 2>game on December the fifth, that was after Thanksgiving. We

0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 2>had cases starting to spike again, just so much uncertainty

0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:14.680
<v Speaker 2>about what the future, what the immediate future of the sport,

0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:18.919
<v Speaker 2>of the country, of just life in general health. This

0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:21.400
<v Speaker 2>game came at a really good time for us as

0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:25.239
<v Speaker 2>sports fans, and I will forever be grateful. You know,

0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:27.200
<v Speaker 2>sometimes I get a little too deep for my own good.

0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm really grateful that we had this experience to sports fans,

0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:36.160
<v Speaker 2>because I felt we really needed it at the start

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:36.760
<v Speaker 2>of December.

0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:40.120
<v Speaker 1>The nice thing about these five games, and it's I think,

0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:42.799
<v Speaker 1>is it only true of the Indiana game, where there

0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:47.120
<v Speaker 1>was only one walk off offensive winning play in these five, Right,

0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:51.080
<v Speaker 1>it's Florida Yeah missing the field goal, it's BYU being

0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:55.680
<v Speaker 1>tackled short one yard one, Texas getting that stop, it's

0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Oregon State getting that stop after taking the lead lates

0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:02.799
<v Speaker 1>and Oregon not being able to finish. And usually that's

0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:04.959
<v Speaker 1>always kind of a letdown, Right. You want the game

0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:07.320
<v Speaker 1>to be decided by the team who has the ball

0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:09.839
<v Speaker 1>last in a positive way. You want to see that

0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:12.480
<v Speaker 1>team get that get in the end zone with no

0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:15.000
<v Speaker 1>time left, or kick the ball through the uprights with

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:17.920
<v Speaker 1>no time left. There is something that's inherently romantic about that.

0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:20.879
<v Speaker 1>But even watching these games back, that didn't really matter

0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:23.360
<v Speaker 1>all that much to me. And the Penn State Indiana

0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:26.400
<v Speaker 1>game was clearly the worst full game to watch, and

0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:29.440
<v Speaker 1>that was the only one that got decided offensively with

0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:33.160
<v Speaker 1>a game winning play. So fascinating. Rewatch on all of

0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:35.120
<v Speaker 1>these games, and I had remembered a lot of parts,

0:52:35.120 --> 0:52:40.120
<v Speaker 1>but also had forgotten a lot of the context. All Right, well, Dan,

0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:42.560
<v Speaker 1>I think that's it.

0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:48.160
<v Speaker 2>In looking back at these games, at these five games,

0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:53.280
<v Speaker 2>for me, my favorite was clearly Coastal in BYU. Okay,

0:52:53.360 --> 0:52:55.600
<v Speaker 2>do you have another one that was your favorite instead?

0:52:57.600 --> 0:52:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Probably LSU Florida LSU Floor.

0:53:00.400 --> 0:53:03.040
<v Speaker 1>That was a strange one too, wasn't it. It was?

0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:05.480
<v Speaker 1>It was so strange, but just from a narrative perspective

0:53:05.520 --> 0:53:09.560
<v Speaker 1>of Florida not having Kyle Pitts and LSU being down

0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 1>the players they were down and having the season that

0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:14.200
<v Speaker 1>they were having and going on the road, and just

0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:16.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there was no way Kade York could even

0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:19.680
<v Speaker 1>fully make out where the uprights were from his vantage point.

0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:21.160
<v Speaker 1>He's just like, I got to kick it into the

0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:24.960
<v Speaker 1>abyss and hope for the best. That to me, that

0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:27.879
<v Speaker 1>was like my Steffan game. This game has everything so

0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:31.160
<v Speaker 1>that that is that is one of the last things.

0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:34.240
<v Speaker 1>And then the Marco Wilson element as well, throwing the shoe.

0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:38.480
<v Speaker 1>So in terms of strange and upset and it's still

0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:41.400
<v Speaker 1>difficult to say upset with the defending champ, but it

0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:44.160
<v Speaker 1>works in this case. So that's my pick for the

0:53:44.760 --> 0:53:46.000
<v Speaker 1>craziest one.

0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:49.120
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0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:52.800
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0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:55.239
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0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:58.279
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0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:00.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm a bit of a geeked in as

0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:00.480
<v Speaker 2>am I.

0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Before we go, can you drop that quivering, quenching I

0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:15.919
<v Speaker 1>don't know, quilting, drum and fives? Who could forget about

0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:21.560
<v Speaker 1>the Patriot League spring season? Dan, Yeah, buddy, talk about

0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:25.560
<v Speaker 1>your Fordham Rams on the road at fitt and Field

0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:29.600
<v Speaker 1>and Wooster Mass squaring off against the Crosssaders. Dan, who

0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:33.040
<v Speaker 1>you got? Woo? I mean Fordham Obviously I no longer

0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:36.080
<v Speaker 1>live in New York, but I do recognize New York's

0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:38.600
<v Speaker 1>one true team, Fordham Rams. Of course, of course I

0:54:38.600 --> 0:54:43.280
<v Speaker 1>got assted gotta gotta go home team in these uncertain times, Dane,

0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I feel like everybody there's so much money going to

0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:48.960
<v Speaker 1>the Crossaders because of that win last week against who

0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:53.320
<v Speaker 1>did they play? Uh Lehigh Lee High that's right, Lehigh.

0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:55.600
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna look back on that lee High wind like

0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:59.400
<v Speaker 1>of course, everybody beats the Mountain Hawks. Speaking of the

0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:03.960
<v Speaker 1>devil Lehigh Mountain Hawks on the road at Colgate, Hello,

0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:07.480
<v Speaker 1>old friend at Andy Kerr Stadium up there in Hamilton,

0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:10.160
<v Speaker 1>New York. Dan, we go way back to Beaton's. Yeah,

0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:13.200
<v Speaker 1>we go way back with Colgate, traveled all the way

0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:16.280
<v Speaker 1>out to North Dakota State to watch them lose handily

0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:20.160
<v Speaker 1>to the Bison. But I gotta go Mountain Hawks here.

0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:26.040
<v Speaker 1>You know where I stand. Lehi lost demonstrably right twenty

0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:29.880
<v Speaker 1>to three. They looked very bad. Still without a touchdown

0:55:29.960 --> 0:55:32.319
<v Speaker 1>this spring. I'm going to go Gators here, ty. I

0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:37.399
<v Speaker 1>feel pretty pretty good about the boys in Maroon. They're

0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:41.680
<v Speaker 1>both probably both yea, they're probably both maroon, the boys

0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:47.480
<v Speaker 1>in Hamilton, And finally your Lafayette Leopards on the River

0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:49.440
<v Speaker 1>by eight and a half. By the way, can I

0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:52.440
<v Speaker 1>get a line on that game? Really? Yeah? According to

0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Caesar's hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,

0:55:54.840 --> 0:55:56.480
<v Speaker 1>hold on, hold on hold Coldgate Faper by eight and

0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:57.840
<v Speaker 1>a half. What was the other game you wanted to

0:55:57.880 --> 0:56:00.799
<v Speaker 1>know the line on? Well, I'm game. I'll take the

0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:03.200
<v Speaker 1>line in any of these games. Fordham at holy Cross,

0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Fordam at holy Cross is uhh? No line for this one.

0:56:11.239 --> 0:56:13.360
<v Speaker 1>It's on ESPN plus, it's gonna be forty five degrees.

0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:15.000
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not seeing a line. Caesars had a line

0:56:15.040 --> 0:56:18.200
<v Speaker 1>on the other one, not this one. Sorry. Okay. Finally,

0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:23.200
<v Speaker 1>your Lafayette Leopards on the road at Buckdal Buckdell is

0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:26.440
<v Speaker 1>a seven and a half point home dog, That's what

0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying.

0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Playing at Christy Mathewson Memorial Stadium up there in Louisbourg, Dan,

0:56:32.239 --> 0:56:33.239
<v Speaker 2>uh are you taking the points here?

0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:36.560
<v Speaker 1>What are you doing? Everybody knows the LEPs travel. Absolutely,

0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:41.680
<v Speaker 1>I am giving those points. Double digit win for the Laps, easy, easy,

0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Come on? Do you not believe?

0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:47.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe, and I'm inclined to take points in

0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:48.680
<v Speaker 2>all of these games.

0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:50.920
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that there are actually a lot of

0:56:50.920 --> 0:56:55.719
<v Speaker 1>college football games. They beat the Gators by two touchdowns, right, yes,

0:56:56.520 --> 0:56:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Lafayette did. They'd be their coming off a win just

0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:02.600
<v Speaker 1>the other day, and twenty nineteen over Lehigh at Lehigh.

0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:06.480
<v Speaker 1>The energy's there, Ty, you know this, I know this, Lafayette.

0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:11.319
<v Speaker 2>How on God's Green Earth is Vegas going to set

0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:14.359
<v Speaker 2>a line on any of these games.

0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:16.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I feel like if you know

0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:20.360
<v Speaker 1>bat League football, there's money to be made. I feel

0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:24.040
<v Speaker 1>like you should just take points. Okay, just take the points.

0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Like every game.

0:57:25.840 --> 0:57:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Over under at forty two points. So Vegas has done

0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:35.160
<v Speaker 1>their homework and they're anticipating something like a twenty four

0:57:35.200 --> 0:57:37.160
<v Speaker 1>to seventeen type matchup here.

0:57:37.040 --> 0:57:39.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm locking it in right now, where's hold on? I'm

0:57:39.120 --> 0:57:41.240
<v Speaker 2>looking this up you know where I still going to

0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:42.880
<v Speaker 2>bet the game. I'm going to bet the game. Why

0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:46.000
<v Speaker 2>not bet it? There's nothing else to bet other than

0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:50.360
<v Speaker 2>all the college basketball action, in which case I will

0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:52.400
<v Speaker 2>also be taking the points because.

0:57:52.280 --> 0:57:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Bunell has not played a game in fifteen months. Oh

0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:59.480
<v Speaker 1>really yeah, My last game they played was a seventeen

0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:02.720
<v Speaker 1>point loss to Ford. Them and there's still only a

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:05.880
<v Speaker 1>seven and a half point home dog right whereas Lafayette

0:58:05.920 --> 0:58:08.800
<v Speaker 1>played a game. The cobwebs are off the laps.

0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm going I'm going ten bucks on Buck plus the points.

0:58:13.560 --> 0:58:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Why not? Okay, you can if you feel really good

0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:20.600
<v Speaker 1>about Buck now money lines at plus two thirty? No, no, no, no,

0:58:20.640 --> 0:58:22.840
<v Speaker 1>out right, come on, maybe crazy believe, let's not go

0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:28.800
<v Speaker 1>crazy here. Okay, all right, well, look enjoy the NCAA tournament.

0:58:29.680 --> 0:58:34.680
<v Speaker 1>We will be talking again tomorrow about uh, do we

0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:37.600
<v Speaker 1>have a bracketick? Should we launch a bracket? Do you

0:58:37.640 --> 0:58:40.640
<v Speaker 1>want to? Is it too late? No? I don't think

0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:42.600
<v Speaker 1>it's too late. Yeah, let's launch a bracket. The game

0:58:42.680 --> 0:58:44.120
<v Speaker 1>start like calling family members.

0:58:44.240 --> 0:58:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there will be a bracket game to search for

0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:48.640
<v Speaker 2>the solid verbal out on ESPN dot com.

0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Yes, we'll launch it there. We had a lot of

0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:54.600
<v Speaker 1>people last year we did this, so yeah, it's fun.

0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:57.160
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'll make picks, you'll make picks. Will be

0:58:57.200 --> 0:59:01.040
<v Speaker 2>a grand all time done. I will talk to you tomorrow, Daniel.

0:59:01.040 --> 0:59:03.920
<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about personal tech all right, forbolloer dot com

0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:06.200
<v Speaker 2>for that, go there, Dan Rubinstein, for myself, tie Held

0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:08.160
<v Speaker 2>a brand. Enjoy the rest of your evening.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk to you soon. Stay solid peace,