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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull. That for me, I'm

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Speaker 1: Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the celibverbal boys and girls. My name

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Speaker 2: is Ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over there in

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Speaker 1: The fugitive of this show, Dan Rubisteine, Sir, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty good. It's telling that when did we start

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Speaker 1: this show. We started this show in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: And here we are. I think we both pee now

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Speaker 1: best and fullest selves to the overballers. I didn't plan

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be distracted Dan.

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Speaker 2: I want to make sure that most focused, that I'm listening,

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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome, back, a very awkward way to start the show.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're here for. Though it is March, it

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Speaker 2: We've got college football content that we're going to presume

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Speaker 2: to bladder talk, blatder talk, shoots and bladder, shoots and bladders.

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Speaker 2: a bit of a scheduling change. A bit of a

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Speaker 2: Bladder Talk coming in a very strong second. Okay, good

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Speaker 2: personal tech, Dan, Yes, personal what does that?

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Speaker 1: What does that mean to you? What does government mean

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Speaker 1: that we used growing up as children, high school, college,

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Speaker 1: And then up and through what we've used now, what

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Speaker 2: We need to we need to devote a serious amount

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we got a lot to discuss here. Again,

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Speaker 1: Okay, on today's show, Dan, Yeah, keep that we're keeping

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Speaker 2: The NCAA Tournament is starting on Friday, apparently, which I

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Speaker 1: With a LINEI fan Scott. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I

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Speaker 1: So what are we using as inspiration? We are using upsets,

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Speaker 1: You know, taking the conference by storm. Yeah, they had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what I have through all five of

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Speaker 1: No pun intended with the novel Coronavirus, of course, and

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Speaker 1: the wrinkles in this Florida LSU game were pretty vast, right,

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Speaker 1: So Florida has no idea what to expect from a

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Speaker 1: but that's ultimately not the biggest reason why LSU won

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Speaker 1: there is something about any upset. And we all know

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Speaker 1: this that if two teams are going head to head

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Speaker 1: was clearly heading into that game the better team. Another wrinkle,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts does not suit up for Florida now Kadarius

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Speaker 1: Tony is incredible and did plenty to win this game

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Speaker 1: Let's go do you want to go to that coastal

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Speaker 1: Oregon State was sort of a team with nothing to lose.

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Speaker 1: They outgained Oregon, they played hard, and they rose to

435
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: every large occasion. And Oregon by the way, with three

436
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: turnovers in Oregon State with none, still with an opportunity

437
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 1: to win.

438
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and still with a sixty two percent postgame win expectancy, sure,

439
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: which if you've turned the ball over a couple times

440
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 2: like that, you don't usually have a number that high.

441
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 2: Bill c still has them as about a three point

442
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: victor in the game, kind of again adjusted scoring margins, so.

443
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: A close game by any stretch.

444
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Speaker 2: He's not looking at this one in the same manner

445
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: that he did the Florida LSU game.

446
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: It was obviously much tighter, you.

447
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 2: Know, rightly or wrongly, Dan, After Oregon dropped this game,

448
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: we still covered the PAC twelve.

449
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: We always cover everybody.

450
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: But in my mind, I sort of just like lost

451
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Speaker 2: a lot of the expectations I had for the PAC twelve.

452
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it wasn't It wasn't like a there

453
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: was something I was gonna say something interesting about LSU

454
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: Florida was not a high quality football game. No, it

455
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: got you win from Morgan State. But it's not like

456
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: you left that game thinking, man, just Haymakers after Haymakers.

457
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Speaker 1: Now somebody had to lose.

458
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,239
Speaker 2: Dan, I think we've been conditioned to look at a

459
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: week what was this thirteen game?

460
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: A rivalry game.

461
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: Like it's got some real national significance, And in hindsight,

462
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: none of these games really did. They just they didn't

463
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: really And after Oregon lost, it was kind of like

464
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: the dam broke for me, and I just kind of

465
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: didn't care about the PAC twelve in the same way

466
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Speaker 2: that I might otherwise, which is.

467
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Speaker 1: Through no fouth of the PAC twelve.

468
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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was really hard to get jazzed up

469
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: for Pac twelve football after what I thought was the

470
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 2: best team in the conference lost on the road to

471
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Speaker 2: its biggest rival.

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Speaker 1: I think that's correct. Yep, all right, let's go to

473
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Speaker 1: Indiana Penn State. Let's oh man, there's a lot to

474
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Speaker 1: unpack here.

475
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Speaker 2: So this is different because I think all the other

476
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Speaker 2: games that we're going to discuss happened after teams had

477
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Speaker 2: played at least one game. We're gonna talk about Texas Twistech.

478
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: That was the second game of the year for both teams.

479
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: But in the case of Penn State Indiana, both teams

480
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: were unbeaten and untested because it was week one.

481
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Speaker 1: Yes, this is an upset of expectations. Yeah, of the season.

482
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Speaker 2: Remember now, the Big Ten season was delayed until Week

483
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: eight of the larger season that was twenty twenty, so

484
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 2: we really had no idea what to expect.

485
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Speaker 1: We were both pretty high on Indiana. We liked Indiana.

486
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: We felt like they were building something we still do.

487
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Speaker 2: Penn State had gotten a lot of acclaim going into

488
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Speaker 2: this season. They had Micah Parsons who was opting out,

489
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Speaker 2: but I think we still thought very highly of what

490
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Speaker 2: Penn State could do. And despite the fact that we

491
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 2: didn't really know what to expect, it was kind of

492
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: a thought that Penn State is going to play Ohio

493
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: State pretty early on in the year, and that could

494
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: benefit Penn State because you know Ohio States, maybe they're

495
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: going to be a little untested, Maybe because of COVID

496
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: they're not going to be there are.

497
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: Lost bunch of key guys on defense.

498
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the secondary right, we had questions like Penn State

499
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: could take advantage of this. So going into the game,

500
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Speaker 2: I think we were pretty excited about it. I remember

501
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: watching on my patio on my iPad and just being

502
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: transfixed by the way that this game unfolded. Sure, if

503
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: you look at Bill C's post game win expectancy, the

504
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: takeaway here is that Penn State played well enough to win,

505
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: and he had them at a ninety five percent postgame

506
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: win expectancy that they were fifteen or sixteen points better

507
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: than Indiana. But Indiana capitalized on the opportunities that it

508
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: did get, and this one had an unbelievablending went to overtime.

509
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: Indiana eventually ends up winning thirty six to thirty five,

510
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: going for two in overtime. That amazing play where Michael

511
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: Penick scrambles to his left, he lays out dives towards

512
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 2: the pylon. The refs gave it to him. Replay was inconclusive.

513
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: I still feel like he was short, okay, but he

514
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: got the call and there wasn't enough to overturn it.

515
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: Regardless of how you feel about that play, an incredible

516
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: individual effort by Panics to at least give his team

517
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: a shot to win the football game. So a lot

518
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: to unpack about the game itself. The immediate takeaway for

519
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: me was that Indiana was legit, and also that penn

520
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: stated played well enough to win in some regard. The

521
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: longer term takeaway is actually a lot more interesting to

522
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: me because it was still that Indiana was legit a

523
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: really good team, nobody will deny that, but also that

524
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of the luster of that Penn State

525
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: win had faded, if only because Penn State started zero

526
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: to five, right and they lost to al State, and

527
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: then they lost to Maryland Nebraska in Iowa. It took

528
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: them a while to get it together down the stretch.

529
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: They got better and they ripped off a couple wins

530
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: to close out the season, but certainly by virtue of

531
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: Penn State losing a bunch four games after that Indiana game,

532
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: it was a little bit of a diminished accomplishment for Indiana,

533
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: rightly or wrongly wrongly. I mean, look, Indiana did not

534
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: play that good of a game. This was not LSU

535
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: played an interesting game against Florida. They made big plays.

536
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: They came up big in big moments, and same can

537
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: be said for Oregon State. They the plays were made

538
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: Indiana on offense especially. I mean we're talking about what

539
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: Penn State missed three few goals, one of which was

540
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: a twenty five yarder. Yes, they commit ten penalties for

541
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: one hundred yards, so which is okay in week one, right,

542
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: you can you can get things fixed. I mean not

543
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: that Penn State necessarily did in terms of mistakes, but

544
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: the game was there for Penn State as you mentioned,

545
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: and Indiana, I suppose what's the adage of, like, you

546
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: don't have to be faster than a bear, you just

547
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: have to be faster than your friend faster. You don't

548
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: have to be faster than the bear, just faster than

549
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: your buddy. Yeah right, And so I in rewatching this game,

550
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: it was pretty obvious to me that both Indiana and

551
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: Penn State slathered themselves in beef and then decided to

552
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: run into an area populated by, you know, mistake prone bears,

553
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: which is what this game was a giant mistake prone

554
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: bear coming for somebody. And so Penn State makes those mistakes.

555
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: And even that first drive is a thirteen play drive.

556
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: And the thing that was striking about and I don't

557
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: watch this game first, is the Penn State offense, intentionally

558
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: or not, was basically built around like, hey, we're going

559
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: to run RPOs and hope for six or seven yards

560
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: and maybe we'll get three or four. And there is

561
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: something so dangerous about trusting college kids to execute fully

562
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: all eleven dudes for long drives. And that ultimately is

563
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: aside from the field goal. I mean, Sean Clifford was

564
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: off and you guys were getting beat repeatedly in one

565
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: on one matchups, and there was just something about Indiana

566
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: hanging around. Was that Marci player on the first line

567
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: of sexydunty. This was a hangaround game for Indiana. Obviously,

568
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: Sean Clifford connects with Johan Dotson late for that big

569
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: I think it was a sixty yard touchdown, But otherwise

570
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: there was not much to either one of these offenses,

571
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: and Indiana took advantage when they could, and the defense

572
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: played pretty well and just kept Penn State's offense and

573
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 1: check but offensively, there was nothing remarkable about about excuse me,

574
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: Indiana rising to the moment. So this is one of

575
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: those games where somebody has to win, somebody has to win,

576
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: and that play was that wrinkle. I suppose in terms

577
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: of this game, that freak play overtime, But this was

578
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: not a classic upset, more of a happenstance kind of upset,

579
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: and that's okay. But the wrinkle was that it's week

580
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: one and that Penn State uncharacteristically made just maybe characteristic

581
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty, but just a myriad of mistakes, and

582
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: that's where Indiana was able to take advantage of those.

583
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: Free yards and I seem to recall going into this

584
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: game that one of our talking points on the preview

585
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: show was that you should take Indiana and the points.

586
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: What did we say that the point spread was here,

587
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it everything like five points, I forget,

588
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: but it was a lower number.

589
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: Seven points touchdown.

590
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember saying this is a great place to

591
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: take Indiana because what we were seeing as a trend

592
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: at that point was in the early part of the

593
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: season for pretty much every team they were playing below expectations.

594
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: There was just such goofy circumstances that brought us to

595
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 2: the start of the season at all that it was.

596
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 2: It was a bridge too far to expect that anyone

597
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: was going to go out there and just be killer.

598
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: So hopefully you cashed Indiana in getting the plus value there.

599
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I plus to be thrilled to have.

600
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: Plus two five money line. So you getting two to

601
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: one odds on Indiana to win.

602
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: Outright, it was such a bad offense to watch of

603
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: Penn States, even aside from the interceptions, it was just

604
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: it felt like they were trying to win five yard fields. Yeah,

605
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: all year, all year, and there's I don't know, if

606
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: you watch that Sark Clinic talk that he gave right

607
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: where he talked about how he almost never, if ever,

608
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: has routes run by Alabama receivers that involved them stopping

609
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: and sitting in zones or you know, stopping right, you know,

610
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: come back, like he doesn't have that. He wants his

611
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: receivers catching the ball in stride just because he wants

612
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: explosive plays. He doesn't want to trust eleven guys working

613
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: perfectly together for eleven, twelve, thirteen plays every drive. And

614
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: there was something about that Penn State offense where like,

615
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: I hear you, but what if we just four and

616
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: a half yard at at a time? It was tough,

617
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: all right, and that's why they made a change. Let's

618
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: go to the great State of Texas.

619
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: Dan.

620
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a game.

621
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: Both teams had played one game. Texas Tech barely beat

622
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: Houston Baptist thirty five thirty three. Bill connolly had them

623
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: losing by three or four points postgame adjusted scoring margin.

624
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: So not a great start for Texas Tech.

625
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: In Matt Wells.

626
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: On the Texas side, they were one to zero. They

627
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: were a top ten team. They had just completely retooled

628
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: offense and defense in the offseason, so a lot of

629
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: promise for Tom Herman coming into this year with what

630
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: they could do with this new staff. Now, I think

631
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 2: in hindsight we recognize really difficult circumstances. We say it

632
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 2: a thousand times a show, really difficult circumstances to install

633
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: anything new. You're doing calls and game planning over zoom like.

634
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: It's just it was not optimal for anybody. But the

635
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: playing field was level in that regard. The storyline going

636
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: in was that Texas had all this hope. The storyline

637
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: coming out was, Okay, we beat Texas Tech by seven

638
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: in overtime. Maybe still a work in progress. Dan scratched

639
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: and clawed.

640
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe not quite the upset, but Herman needed

641
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: to shape up. It was a buzz though it ended

642
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: with what a pick at the end? Right? Yes, yes

643
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: it did. Okay, it's a buzzer beater in its own way.

644
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: Texas followed up this effort by dropping too straight to

645
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: TCU and Oklahoma, and maybe this was a harbinger of

646
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: things to come.

647
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. Obviously, Tom Herman is no longer the

648
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: head football coach at u T at Austin. But this

649
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: is a fun game.

650
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: There's a lot of offense, right, There was There was

651
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: a lot here from a fans standpoint to just watch

652
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: and enjoy the points. But certainly, if you were a

653
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: Texas fan, this is the not the showing that you wanted.

654
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: On defense, Do you know how hard it is for

655
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: Texas to be down what they were down fifteen and

656
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: make that comeback thanks to an on sidekick in the

657
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: last second drive to send it to overtime and then

658
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: win it in overtime? Do you know how hard it

659
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: is to do when the defense completely other than one

660
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: play they stopped Texas Tech on the ground. They pick

661
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: off British comedy legend Alan Bowman three times, Sam Ellen

662
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: Girl only throws one pick. They move the ball pretty

663
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: well all at least in that middle section of the game,

664
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: the first half especially. I think they scored what thirty

665
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: points in the first half. You scored thirty points in

666
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: the first half of a game and you still have

667
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: to claw back because you're down big is a wild

668
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: way to live your life as a football program. And

669
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: you're right, and we talked about this too with Tom Herman,

670
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: where it's just like, if this is where they are,

671
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: this many years into Tom Herman's tenure, where they need

672
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: to come back to win by double digits against a

673
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: flawed Texas Tech team, not a horrible Texas Tech team,

674
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: but one that just got by Houston Baptist barely. This

675
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: is how old is your niece or your oldest niece.

676
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: Oldest niece is going to be ten eleven, it's going

677
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: to be eleven. Yeah, it's going to be eleven years old.

678
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: If you were to play her one on one on

679
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: the basketball court and spot her five, playing up to eleven,

680
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: but all of a sudden you're down nine to one,

681
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: and all you're like, oh, I have to get my

682
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: act together, yea quickly. I have to scramble and start

683
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: swatting shots and being mean because I can't lose this game.

684
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: It had that vibe on the rewatch tie. It absolutely

685
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: had that vibe on the rewatch and I, you know,

686
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: I opted out of Texas football and sort of pouring

687
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: a lot of emotion into the Horns pretty early on

688
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: in the season after games like this. But watching this

689
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: game specifically Texas Tech was really fun. On offense. It

690
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: was what TJ. Vasher made big plays, Dude, Kashan Carter

691
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: like they It was an explosive play aganza. And that's

692
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: the wrinkle to me is that you know, Texas needs

693
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: to pull out this game. They need that on side kick,

694
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: they need that last second drive, and they need that

695
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: pick to seal things. But it's just if you are

696
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: looking to quote unquote upset a team, you need to

697
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: be turnover focused on defense, so taking chances and you know,

698
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: getting hands and passing lanes by your defensive line, whatever,

699
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: getting tips, which Texas Tech was able to do. They

700
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: turn turnovers into points. But also you got to take shots.

701
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: You cannot hope to nickel and dime your way to

702
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: an upset win. No matter what Indiana was able to

703
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: pull off. That is not a great strategy for defeating

704
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: a team consider more talented than your team. And so

705
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: what Tech was able to do four penalties for fifteen

706
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: yards Texas ten for one hundred. There's you're hidden yards

707
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: in this game. And even though Tech does out turn

708
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: over the Horns, they also out explosive played the Horns.

709
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: You know, that huge run from Sir Rodrick Wasroderick Thompson,

710
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: that's his name, was incredible and the Texas tackling was

711
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: so woeful all game long. They not only should have

712
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: lost this game, they probably could have lost to Houston

713
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: Baptist the way that they were tackling, especially early on

714
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: in the season. Yeah, I mean.

715
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: The interesting thing for me now headed into the sark Era,

716
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: especially in light of what we saw last year, they

717
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: had the same sequence of games Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma

718
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: Okay earlier in the year, starting the end of September.

719
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 2: So hopefully for their sake, it goes a little bit

720
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: of a different direction and they're not witting by the

721
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: skin of their t Keith against Texas Tech and then

722
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: losing to TCU in Oklahoma.

723
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: But we'll see. I don't know, they have their chance

724
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: to get some redemption a year later. I almost can understand,

725
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: and I can write off major tackling issues early on

726
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty season when you don't have that

727
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: same sort of live fall camps you know, to get

728
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: used to. I mean, it's about effort, but it's also

729
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: about just comfort in a system. I can write off

730
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: that to a certain extent for a number of teams

731
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: early on in twenty twenty. But with a fourth year

732
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: starting quarterback to not have that kind of explosive offensive

733
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: success all game long against Texas Tech, that's the part

734
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: that seems inexcusable. They had big plays and then they

735
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: just would become wildly inefficient, you know the next drive.

736
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: So that to me was the takeaway that, like, yeah,

737
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: this was almost more obvious than anything else. You know,

738
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: they have the loss to TCU where they get pushed

739
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: around on the ground but needing over time and get

740
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: having up fifty plus points to Texas Tech, Like, well,

741
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: the program clearly hasn't arrived to an acceptable place. So yeah,

742
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 1: this was it was a good hold on, I suppose,

743
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: and wild It was a wildly entertaining game at the

744
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: end of the fourth quarter in overtime, but damn the

745
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: wrinkles were there all right.

746
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: And our final game here, Dan is the bigin this

747
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: is the big en Coastal Carolina twenty two BYU seventeen.

748
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 2: So here is the lay of the land headed into

749
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: this game. Coastal was nine to zero. They were eighteenth

750
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: in the College Football Playoff rankings, highering the other polls.

751
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: In general, though, just a ton of fun to watch,

752
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: kind of the darling of the twenty twenty season. A

753
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: lot of folks didn't know who they were. Had the

754
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: heel field, the shot of the close calls too A

755
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 2: bunch of close calls. They're fun to watch, and if

756
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: you watch this game, if you watch any Coastal Carolina,

757
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 2: they were legit fun as hell to watch because I think,

758
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: as I've said time and again, their offense is a

759
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: combination of every offense.

760
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: Every offense they're like, that's what they do. They do everything,

761
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: So that is the wrinkle for them.

762
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: And Grayson McCall, their quarterback, the freshman, very very good,

763
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. On the BYU side of things,

764
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: they were also nine to zero headed into this game.

765
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: Their quarterback, Zach Wilson is going to get drafted very

766
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: highly in the upcoming NFL Draft. They were thirteenth in

767
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: the college football playoff rankings headed into this game, but

768
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 2: eighth in the Associated Press poll, so people thought very

769
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: highly of the Kops headed into this football game.

770
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: This is my favorite game of the year. This is

771
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: my favorite game of the year.

772
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 2: And the oddity here was that it came together sixty

773
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: hours before kickoff. Due to circumstances. Coastal was supposed to

774
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: play Liberty, but the Flames had a COVID issue. A

775
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: bunch of guys came down with it. They couldn't follow

776
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: through and play that game. But BYU was also looking

777
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: for an opponent, and so they made it happen. They

778
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: made it happen. The game did not disappoint. The takeaway

779
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: here was that both teams acquitted themselves quite well for

780
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: my money, the game of the year. The bigger thing,

781
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: which we can talk more about after we talked about

782
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: the game itself, was I think that college football should

783
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: take another look at how it allows teams to schedule.

784
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: We're so used to this policy of scheduling games fifteen

785
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: years in advance, the home and homes with Alabama or

786
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: Ohio State.

787
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: But this one came together.

788
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: A couple hours before, sixty hours before it actually happened,

789
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: and it did not disappoint. It was exactly what we

790
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: needed at that moment in the college football season. Dax

791
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: Milne for BYU stopped.

792
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: Like a yard short as time expired.

793
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: So a great ending, an awesome matchup Mormons versus Mullets.

794
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 2: So this had everything that you want as a college

795
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: football fan. A lot people got into it. I remember

796
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: they made a big deal of it on College Game Day.

797
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: Of course it was Field Conway.

798
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, a great moment for both schools to be part

799
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: of this and truly I don't say this slightly truly,

800
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: this is what we needed in twenty twenty as sports fans,

801
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: because so much of the season had been a flaming

802
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 2: pile of you know what sure postpone Min's uncertainty weekend

803
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: and week out. They effectively steered into all of that

804
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: and gave us the best game of the year. So

805
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: I will always remember this game fondly. I hope BYU

806
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: fans do as well, even though it didn't have the

807
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: desired outcome, Just to be part of that I think

808
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: is really unique and special in a otherwise strange season.

809
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: Agree agree, but still disagree with punting on fourth and

810
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: two from your own forty seven to close out the game.

811
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: Still disagree with it. Even though Bhyu drove the length

812
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: of the field pretty quickly and they got to what

813
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: the one or two yard line where they were, they

814
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: were still owned to try to win this game because

815
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: they're down five, so they have to get into the

816
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: end zone. So still disagree with that call, I thought

817
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: because of how well Coastal played, and the wrinkle in

818
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: this game is obviously what you mentioned, the Coastal offense

819
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: and preparing for it with almost no time because of

820
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: that option element because of the unorthodox way that the

821
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: Shans play on offense where they can throw the ball,

822
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: but there is that option element that's quite successful as well.

823
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: That to me was the difference, and of course the

824
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: wrinkle of just not having time in general and traveling

825
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: across the country, going from Provo to Conways, It's got

826
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: to be some kind of weird journey to connect those

827
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: two places. So I understand all of that. In rewatching

828
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: the game was it was so clear to me that

829
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: watching Zach Wilson play football that it would have been

830
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: far more interesting to watch him play and this is

831
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: no intended slide at BYU to see him against bigger opponents,

832
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: to see him on a bigger stage, to see him

833
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: perhaps with a bigger time receiver. And I like this guy.

834
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: It was a dex Milne and gosh were the I

835
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: mean it was Tyson Algeer in the backfield. All these

836
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: names start flowing away from my brain when we get

837
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: into this Neil Neil Powe, Neil nick Pow, Neil Powe.

838
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: I think there was a Romney prominently featured with BYU.

839
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: So there was something about this game with Coastal really

840
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: bending and not trying to break that paid off. That

841
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: is a way to win this game. But yeah, this

842
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: game definitely had the feel of the Wrinkle. It definitely

843
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: had the feel of UH BYU not fully adjusting in

844
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: those big moments to figuring out what Coastal can do

845
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: on the ground, especially with Grayson McCall. I loved rewatching

846
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 1: this game because there this was one of those very

847
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: rare games where you could kind of get a sense

848
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: for the emotion involved in the stadium. I'm not saying

849
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: any team was wrong to limit fans or have no

850
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: fans like do your thing. I understand every cent of that,

851
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: but also there was something nice about if you suspend

852
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: everything in your brain. There was something nice about sensing

853
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: the energy in a stadium for a big game that

854
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: this game also featured.

855
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think to the point just the fact

856
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 2: that it was BYU, that it was Coastal Carolina, two

857
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: teams that are not used to being featured on this

858
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: kind of stage, it was very fitting of the twenty

859
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: twenty season that they brought us as much joy as

860
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: they did.

861
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: Do you think that and I think the answer is yes,

862
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: but that's my opinion. Do you think that there is

863
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: something or there was something so appealing about this matchup,

864
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: not just because of the way it came together, but

865
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: because the top of the sport, even with what BYU

866
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: and Coastal are both undefeated at this point. Do you

867
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: think there was something inherently and newly appealing about two

868
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: undefeated teams playing with no chance at playing in the

869
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: college football Playoff? No matter what you might have thought

870
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: about BYU at the time, they were the more likely

871
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: to him, I guess, but no chance of the playoff

872
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: that this was there was something refreshing about caring about

873
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: a game not having to do with the playoff, and

874
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: also just it lived outside of the foregone conclusion section

875
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: of the sport that the teams that are so advantaged

876
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: like Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, you know, George, Oklahoma, all

877
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: these schools that there was there was something nice about

878
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: watching this game that just had fun implications, not playoff implications.

879
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, for sure? And yeah no, so I

880
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: agree one hundred percent. There it's a pushback against that

881
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: element of the sport.

882
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: Well, and you always have that with college football, right

883
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 2: you had that with UCF. Remember when they declared themselves

884
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: national champions and we had folks riding in calling, in

885
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: telling us UCF deserves a shot. You always have that

886
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: underdog component to college football, and that's part of what

887
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: makes it special. So the underdog story to me was

888
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 2: first off, that they played the game at all, and

889
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: then secondly that this got the kind of stage that

890
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 2: it did because of how it came about. Because both

891
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 2: teams to that point and through the season, frankly had

892
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: really good years. They're both up there worth talking about,

893
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: worth watching.

894
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: These are really good teams. Yeah. I will push back.

895
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: A little bit though, on the point that neither one

896
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: had a shot. I think we know in hindsight, and

897
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: I think we knew if we thought about it, if

898
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: we really came to our senses, we knew that neither

899
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 2: team was going to play for anything. But at the time,

900
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 2: like we were postponing games left and right, we didn't

901
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: even know if there would be a playoff, a bowl season,

902
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: a postseason. So I think there was definitely an element

903
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: here of not taking anything for granted moving forward, and

904
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: that's what made this game as bet as it ended

905
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 2: up being. We just didn't know what the future was

906
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: going to hold in football, in life, there's a lot

907
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: going sideways I.

908
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: Had forgotten about the fact that there was there was

909
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: no love lost between these two love them, they hated

910
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: each other. It was it was contentious. You had the

911
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: halftime fight because of the way that Coastal players went

912
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: after Zach Wilson when he threw that Hail Mary pick,

913
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: and you know, I think they try to double team

914
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: block him, like, oh, this is opportunity to hit him

915
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: with live play going on. And so there was a

916
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: scrap at midfield at the start of halftime. So I

917
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: just I like that inherent emotion. Oh yeah, fighting and

918
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: getting hurt. But you know, it was it was nice

919
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: to feel the bad blood. Yeah, to feel to feel

920
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: that bad blood.

921
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: It felt very authentic in a way that look, we

922
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 2: talked to a lot of college football fans, a lot

923
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: of people were very ambivalent about this season, didn't know

924
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: how to feel sure, and this authentically got the juices flowing.

925
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: And again, to further my own point, they played this

926
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: game on December the fifth, that was after Thanksgiving. We

927
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: had cases starting to spike again, just so much uncertainty

928
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: about what the future, what the immediate future of the sport,

929
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 2: of the country, of just life in general health. This

930
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: game came at a really good time for us as

931
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: sports fans, and I will forever be grateful. You know,

932
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: sometimes I get a little too deep for my own good.

933
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 2: I'm really grateful that we had this experience to sports fans,

934
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: because I felt we really needed it at the start

935
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 2: of December.

936
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: The nice thing about these five games, and it's I think,

937
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: is it only true of the Indiana game, where there

938
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: was only one walk off offensive winning play in these five, Right,

939
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: it's Florida Yeah missing the field goal, it's BYU being

940
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: tackled short one yard one, Texas getting that stop, it's

941
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 1: Oregon State getting that stop after taking the lead lates

942
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: and Oregon not being able to finish. And usually that's

943
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,959
Speaker 1: always kind of a letdown, Right. You want the game

944
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: to be decided by the team who has the ball

945
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: last in a positive way. You want to see that

946
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: team get that get in the end zone with no

947
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: time left, or kick the ball through the uprights with

948
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: no time left. There is something that's inherently romantic about that.

949
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: But even watching these games back, that didn't really matter

950
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: all that much to me. And the Penn State Indiana

951
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: game was clearly the worst full game to watch, and

952
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: that was the only one that got decided offensively with

953
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: a game winning play. So fascinating. Rewatch on all of

954
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: these games, and I had remembered a lot of parts,

955
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: but also had forgotten a lot of the context. All Right, well, Dan,

956
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: I think that's it.

957
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: In looking back at these games, at these five games,

958
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 2: for me, my favorite was clearly Coastal in BYU. Okay,

959
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 2: do you have another one that was your favorite instead?

960
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: Probably LSU Florida LSU Floor.

961
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: That was a strange one too, wasn't it. It was?

962
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: It was so strange, but just from a narrative perspective

963
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: of Florida not having Kyle Pitts and LSU being down

964
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: the players they were down and having the season that

965
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: they were having and going on the road, and just

966
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: I mean, there was no way Kade York could even

967
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: fully make out where the uprights were from his vantage point.

968
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: He's just like, I got to kick it into the

969
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: abyss and hope for the best. That to me, that

970
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: was like my Steffan game. This game has everything so

971
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: that that is that is one of the last things.

972
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 1: And then the Marco Wilson element as well, throwing the shoe.

973
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: So in terms of strange and upset and it's still

974
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: difficult to say upset with the defending champ, but it

975
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: works in this case. So that's my pick for the

976
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: craziest one.

977
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: Right in sliverladgmail dot com let us know your thoughts.

978
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 2: Also check out for Ballers dot com. That is our Patreon.

979
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 2: That's where you can find our off topic show. It's

980
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: going to drop on Friday morning talking about personal tech.

981
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a bit of a geeked in as

982
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: am I.

983
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: Before we go, can you drop that quivering, quenching I

984
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 1: don't know, quilting, drum and fives? Who could forget about

985
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: the Patriot League spring season? Dan, Yeah, buddy, talk about

986
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: your Fordham Rams on the road at fitt and Field

987
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: and Wooster Mass squaring off against the Crosssaders. Dan, who

988
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: you got? Woo? I mean Fordham Obviously I no longer

989
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: live in New York, but I do recognize New York's

990
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: one true team, Fordham Rams. Of course, of course I

991
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: got assted gotta gotta go home team in these uncertain times, Dane,

992
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody there's so much money going to

993
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: the Crossaders because of that win last week against who

994
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: did they play? Uh Lehigh Lee High that's right, Lehigh.

995
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna look back on that lee High wind like

996
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: of course, everybody beats the Mountain Hawks. Speaking of the

997
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: devil Lehigh Mountain Hawks on the road at Colgate, Hello,

998
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: old friend at Andy Kerr Stadium up there in Hamilton,

999
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: New York. Dan, we go way back to Beaton's. Yeah,

1000
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: we go way back with Colgate, traveled all the way

1001
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 1: out to North Dakota State to watch them lose handily

1002
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: to the Bison. But I gotta go Mountain Hawks here.

1003
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: You know where I stand. Lehi lost demonstrably right twenty

1004
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: to three. They looked very bad. Still without a touchdown

1005
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: this spring. I'm going to go Gators here, ty. I

1006
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: feel pretty pretty good about the boys in Maroon. They're

1007
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: both probably both yea, they're probably both maroon, the boys

1008
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: in Hamilton, And finally your Lafayette Leopards on the River

1009
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: by eight and a half. By the way, can I

1010
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: get a line on that game? Really? Yeah? According to

1011
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: Caesar's hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,

1012
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on hold Coldgate Faper by eight and

1013
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: a half. What was the other game you wanted to

1014
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: know the line on? Well, I'm game. I'll take the

1015
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: line in any of these games. Fordham at holy Cross,

1016
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: Fordam at holy Cross is uhh? No line for this one.

1017
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: It's on ESPN plus, it's gonna be forty five degrees.

1018
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: But I'm not seeing a line. Caesars had a line

1019
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: on the other one, not this one. Sorry. Okay. Finally,

1020
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: your Lafayette Leopards on the road at Buckdal Buckdell is

1021
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: a seven and a half point home dog, That's what

1022
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1023
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 2: Playing at Christy Mathewson Memorial Stadium up there in Louisbourg, Dan,

1024
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: uh are you taking the points here?

1025
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Everybody knows the LEPs travel. Absolutely,

1026
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: I am giving those points. Double digit win for the Laps, easy, easy,

1027
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: Come on? Do you not believe?

1028
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: I don't believe, and I'm inclined to take points in

1029
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: all of these games.

1030
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: I feel like that there are actually a lot of

1031
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: college football games. They beat the Gators by two touchdowns, right, yes,

1032
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: Lafayette did. They'd be their coming off a win just

1033
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: the other day, and twenty nineteen over Lehigh at Lehigh.

1034
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: The energy's there, Ty, you know this, I know this, Lafayette.

1035
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 2: How on God's Green Earth is Vegas going to set

1036
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 2: a line on any of these games.

1037
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I feel like if you know

1038
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: bat League football, there's money to be made. I feel

1039
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: like you should just take points. Okay, just take the points.

1040
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: Like every game.

1041
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: Over under at forty two points. So Vegas has done

1042
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: their homework and they're anticipating something like a twenty four

1043
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: to seventeen type matchup here.

1044
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 2: I'm locking it in right now, where's hold on? I'm

1045
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: looking this up you know where I still going to

1046
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: bet the game. I'm going to bet the game. Why

1047
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: not bet it? There's nothing else to bet other than

1048
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: all the college basketball action, in which case I will

1049
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: also be taking the points because.

1050
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: Bunell has not played a game in fifteen months. Oh

1051
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: really yeah, My last game they played was a seventeen

1052
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: point loss to Ford. Them and there's still only a

1053
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: seven and a half point home dog right whereas Lafayette

1054
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: played a game. The cobwebs are off the laps.

1055
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: I'm going I'm going ten bucks on Buck plus the points.

1056
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: Why not? Okay, you can if you feel really good

1057
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: about Buck now money lines at plus two thirty? No, no, no, no,

1058
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: out right, come on, maybe crazy believe, let's not go

1059
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: crazy here. Okay, all right, well, look enjoy the NCAA tournament.

1060
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: We will be talking again tomorrow about uh, do we

1061
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: have a bracketick? Should we launch a bracket? Do you

1062
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: want to? Is it too late? No? I don't think

1063
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: it's too late. Yeah, let's launch a bracket. The game

1064
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: start like calling family members.

1065
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, there will be a bracket game to search for

1066
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: the solid verbal out on ESPN dot com.

1067
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll launch it there. We had a lot of

1068
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: people last year we did this, so yeah, it's fun.

1069
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: All right, I'll make picks, you'll make picks. Will be

1070
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: a grand all time done. I will talk to you tomorrow, Daniel.

1071
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: We'll talk about personal tech all right, forbolloer dot com

1072
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: for that, go there, Dan Rubinstein, for myself, tie Held

1073
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: a brand. Enjoy the rest of your evening.

1074
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon. Stay solid peace,