Speaker 1: Kaboom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes a
Speaker 1: week was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants
Speaker 1: of the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He
Speaker 1: treats crackheads in the ghetto Cutter the same as the
Speaker 1: rich pill poppers in the penthouse the Clearinghouse of Hot
Speaker 1: takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with
Speaker 1: Ben Maller starts right now in the air everywhere, Yet
Speaker 1: another weekend is upon us. The Fifth Hour with Ben
Speaker 1: Mallard back at it. Because four hours a night, five
Speaker 1: days a week clearly not enough. So we do this
Speaker 1: eight days a week. And if it is a Friday podcast,
Speaker 1: that would be today, the weekend before Thanksgiving holiday. It's
Speaker 1: a chance to catch up with someone who I either
Speaker 1: know or want to talk to. In this case, it's
Speaker 1: someone that I know, a radio pal, someone who I've
Speaker 1: never actually physically met, but have been friends with for
Speaker 1: over twenty years. I have known. This guy is a
Speaker 1: fellow sports talk radio gas bag. He hosts Sports with
Speaker 1: Coleman on in the nighttime hours in Baltimore six to ten.
Speaker 1: He has covered the Ravens and the Baltimore Orioles for
Speaker 1: a long time. We have sparked, I go on his
Speaker 1: radio show. Occasionally. I'll pop up on his show and
Speaker 1: he uh, this is his first appearance on this show.
Speaker 1: But let's give it up now for Sports with Coleman.
Speaker 1: Jerry Coleman is his name, and sports talk radio is
Speaker 1: his game. So, Jerry, how long have we known each other?
Speaker 1: I think it began in the early two thousands, I
Speaker 1: want to say, but it might have been even earlier
Speaker 1: than that. I'm not sure. I want to say early
Speaker 1: two thousands, Jerry, phil me and when was it? It
Speaker 1: was actually prior to that, Ben, and thanks for having
Speaker 1: me on. I can now update my resume and add
Speaker 1: this to it. It should be uh, you know, enough
Speaker 1: to get me a much better job than I have
Speaker 1: right now. But no, it goes back to a local
Speaker 1: l A station you were working at one that of
Speaker 1: course started with a K. I can't remember the rest
Speaker 1: of the call letters, but you would make the calls
Speaker 1: to the little stringers around the country and say, hey,
Speaker 1: can you come on and during I think it was
Speaker 1: the Angels broadcast or pregame show and give us an
Speaker 1: update from Camden Yards was where I was back in
Speaker 1: the day. It was a memorial stadium but you would
Speaker 1: arrange for that, and then you became, you know, a
Speaker 1: lot more high profile and than have time to do
Speaker 1: the dirty work. Wow, I don't even remember that. My
Speaker 1: memory is so bad, Jerry, I don't. I just remember
Speaker 1: you doing stuff. It fucked. We we don't even use
Speaker 1: stringers anymore. I don't think it. Fox Sports Radio, like
Speaker 1: we at most places have kind of gone away from that.
Speaker 1: But we we have similar backgrounds, Like we both did
Speaker 1: that for a long time, and I have great memories
Speaker 1: and also some terrible memories of doing that. But I
Speaker 1: was at games every single night, and it was it
Speaker 1: was awesome. And in those days you had a lot
Speaker 1: of access to the locker room and stuff, which was
Speaker 1: I think Jerry, you would agree a blessing and a
Speaker 1: curse at the same time. Some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: took place behind the scenes very interesting. There were there
Speaker 1: were numerous clubhouse encounters with me and players and managers,
Speaker 1: and too many to probably tell the time during this podcast.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's where I learned the protocols of you know,
Speaker 1: when you can and can't go into a locker room.
Speaker 1: I was always very aggressive, so I didn't ask. I
Speaker 1: just begged for forgiveness after. You know, there was one
Speaker 1: time actually when they were the Red Skins and Joe
Speaker 1: Gibbs was coaching them back in the nineties. They were
Speaker 1: playing the Dallas Cowboys at RFK Stadium. I'm talking football now,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know that NFL locker rooms were closed
Speaker 1: before the games starts. So I strolled into the Redskins
Speaker 1: locker room. There was no gate guard whatsoever. But once
Speaker 1: they found out I was in there, all heck broke
Speaker 1: loose and I was escorted out. I was chided by PR.
Speaker 1: I was told never to enter an NFL locker room
Speaker 1: before the game or without a PR person. So I
Speaker 1: learned a harsh lesson there. But yeah, that's where I
Speaker 1: cut my teeth as being a stringer. You know. We
Speaker 1: made a joke about it at the time. You would
Speaker 1: make maybe thirty thousand dollars a year, fifty dollars at
Speaker 1: a time. Yeah, no, it was, It was true. And
Speaker 1: it was like every remember after the work stoppage in
Speaker 1: the baseball strike in ninety four, when they came back
Speaker 1: in ve and being in l A there were two teams,
Speaker 1: it was like every they no days off, And I'm
Speaker 1: such an idiot I never took a day off even
Speaker 1: back then. I was I gotta show up and we
Speaker 1: needed to as a stringer because you made no money
Speaker 1: and the other thing. And I don't know if this
Speaker 1: ever happened to you, Jerry, being in Baltimore and going
Speaker 1: to games in d C and stuff. At some point
Speaker 1: to try to make a decent amount of money, you
Speaker 1: had to use I had to work for a bunch
Speaker 1: of different networks, right your So you'd work for your
Speaker 1: local station. And then I remember at one time I
Speaker 1: was working for sports Fan Radio ESPN Radio. How about
Speaker 1: that in the early days when they had stuff on
Speaker 1: the weekends with Tony Bruno, Peter Brown, and Chuck Wilson.
Speaker 1: I did stuff with those guys, and and there was
Speaker 1: one on one sports I think out of Chicago was
Speaker 1: around for a while, and there were a bunch of
Speaker 1: these things. But did you ever have I had one
Speaker 1: of the most embarrassing moments I had I've ever done.
Speaker 1: I was in the press box and I was doing
Speaker 1: these updates from Dodger Stadium, and you know, they're thirty
Speaker 1: second updates whatever. So I'm doing the update and I
Speaker 1: nailed it, and I was like, you know, sports Fan
Speaker 1: radio network. Can I slam the phone down? And it
Speaker 1: wasn't the Sportsman Radio network, it was a different network,
Speaker 1: and oh man, I would write down the name of
Speaker 1: the station because it was U P I, it was
Speaker 1: a P. It was the fan in New York. It
Speaker 1: was I never worked for Fox Sports Radio. There was
Speaker 1: a lady there that didn't like me that would set
Speaker 1: up the stringers and she would go with someone else
Speaker 1: in the market who came behind me. So that was fine.
Speaker 1: But I did ABC and CBS, and at times I
Speaker 1: guess it was Westwood One, So yeah, I would have
Speaker 1: the name right in front of me. I did not
Speaker 1: make that mistake. I was more prone to butchering players names.
Speaker 1: In fact, the last time I did one of those
Speaker 1: was a Capital's New York Rangers playoff game that went
Speaker 1: into triple overtime. I had a morning show the next day.
Speaker 1: The reason I went to do it was because, and
Speaker 1: here's a name drop alert, Kenny Albert was calling the
Speaker 1: game for Rangers Radio and he needed a stat person. Why.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but the job paid seventy five dollars,
Speaker 1: so I took it, and I told him, listen, I
Speaker 1: gotta get up at four or five in the morning.
Speaker 1: I'm leaving probably midway through the third period, just so
Speaker 1: you know. He's like, you're supposed to stay through the
Speaker 1: whole game if you want to check. I'm like, just
Speaker 1: pay me up front, and I'll be here for close
Speaker 1: to three periods. So then we go into overtime. I said,
Speaker 1: I'll stick around for the first overtime. Then comes the
Speaker 1: second overtime. I stick around a little for that, but
Speaker 1: then I leave during a time out and I go
Speaker 1: to a remote location and I'm waiting for the game
Speaker 1: to end so i can call in the final report.
Speaker 1: The goal is scored. The guy who scored the goal
Speaker 1: I can't even remember, but I butchered his name so
Speaker 1: bad on live New York radio. That was the end
Speaker 1: of my career. And when I told Kenny about this,
Speaker 1: he couldn't believe it. I literally did the voice or
Speaker 1: ben from the lobby of what was called the m
Speaker 1: c I Center back then, and then bolted for my
Speaker 1: car and back to Baltimore. But I didn't get home
Speaker 1: until like four or five in the morning, and then
Speaker 1: was up an hour later, and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm getting too old to do this stuff. Yeah, didn't
Speaker 1: you tell me you you traveled around you did stats?
Speaker 1: Uh for for Kenny right for TV? Right? Yes, I
Speaker 1: was his first spot or the first two years. I
Speaker 1: think this is year like twenty six or twenty seven
Speaker 1: for him, whatever year they started doing the broadcasting. He
Speaker 1: and Joe Buck are two among the originals right now.
Speaker 1: And his first two years on the job, Fox really
Speaker 1: was spending the money under David Hill. They would fly
Speaker 1: out the statistician, the spotter. They would put him up
Speaker 1: in a hotel for a couple of nights. So I
Speaker 1: went out to l A, went out to San Francisco,
Speaker 1: did a terrible job in terms of spotting, was fired
Speaker 1: after two weeks, but it made a nice living for
Speaker 1: two weeks with him, and uh we still remain friends
Speaker 1: here twenty five plus years later. But no way he's
Speaker 1: gonna hire me to spot a game because I was
Speaker 1: too busy watching the football game myself. So how how
Speaker 1: bad were you? Like? What do you remember exactly the
Speaker 1: moment you realize this is not good? There were multiple
Speaker 1: There were multiple calls where he would just name the
Speaker 1: tackler himself instead of waiting for me to point to
Speaker 1: the number. Because I was so late in getting to
Speaker 1: the number, and the same thing with you know, when
Speaker 1: you need someone to tell you who was the assist
Speaker 1: guy and who scored the goal on what the time was.
Speaker 1: He had that all calculated before I could write that down,
Speaker 1: so I was really not needed. So you're saying that
Speaker 1: Kenny Albert has a computer like mind, and you a
Speaker 1: little you have a radio mind. You have it, yes,
Speaker 1: and uh, and he belittles me at every moment. He
Speaker 1: has to have to remind me of that he's superior.
Speaker 1: What can I tell you? Yeah, so you need to
Speaker 1: come up. I have Mallard math, which is a version
Speaker 1: of of actual math. It's a ballpark figure, so you
Speaker 1: have you have sports with Coleman math. But I did
Speaker 1: learn in those days when I was a stringer and
Speaker 1: I sat near the stat guys that actually knew what
Speaker 1: they were doing. And I still to this day some
Speaker 1: of that stuff, like when you're breaking down a football game,
Speaker 1: some of the numbers are basketball like. I learned a
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff in those days when I was
Speaker 1: was a stringer. But you mentioned David Hill and the
Speaker 1: amount of money that Fox put out, and I met
Speaker 1: David Hill a few times. Uh, in the early days
Speaker 1: when Fox took over the in the nineties. I was
Speaker 1: at we was at a party one time, and uh,
Speaker 1: everyone loved David Hill. I don't, I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are people that didn't like him, but
Speaker 1: I never met anyone. I mean that the amount of
Speaker 1: money You're right that they put out for those those
Speaker 1: broadcasts was insane. But I do remember being at the
Speaker 1: NHL All Star Game in the mid nineties that Fox
Speaker 1: had the rights, and I remember overhearing a conversation and
Speaker 1: I don't I will not say who it was with.
Speaker 1: It might have been with David Hill, maybe not, but
Speaker 1: it might have been somebody else. And they were lamenting
Speaker 1: the fact that everything that they had tried to get
Speaker 1: people to watch hockey on TV had not worked. Remember
Speaker 1: they had that going puck thing that of course, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they were they just couldn't figure it out. They're like,
Speaker 1: what do we what do we have to do? They
Speaker 1: tried everything, and and here we are all these years later, Jerry,
Speaker 1: and still people not flocking to watch hockey on television now,
Speaker 1: even though it's moved to T n T and the
Speaker 1: guy was calling the game the other night. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know that their games start at ten pm. But
Speaker 1: he reminded me he was calling his first game from
Speaker 1: the Key Arena, home of the Seattle Crack, and he
Speaker 1: said he had not been back there since an NBA
Speaker 1: game there when the Sonics played there. But yeah, t
Speaker 1: n T s starting their hockey now on Thursday or
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, on Wednesday evenings at ten pm. And who
Speaker 1: knew except the announcer. Yeah, I have not seen any
Speaker 1: of those, uh, any of those hockey games. But I
Speaker 1: usually wait till like Christmas. Basketball, you definitely wait till Christmas. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: but hockey. I love going to hockey. The King's out
Speaker 1: here in l A Are not very good, but I
Speaker 1: guess the Ducks are off to a good start. But
Speaker 1: you go back in the stringer, back in the stringer days, Ben,
Speaker 1: because Baltimore is just a two sport town, and really,
Speaker 1: when I was doing a lot of the work, it
Speaker 1: was a one sport town. The Colts had bolted for Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: which is why I went down the Rhodar f G
Speaker 1: just to be around professional football as we were waiting
Speaker 1: for a team to come back. And then you had
Speaker 1: the Bullets and then Wizards, and of course the Capitals
Speaker 1: and I would go to select games there and of
Speaker 1: course to about seventy too close to eighty oriole games
Speaker 1: a year, just like you with the Dodgers and Angels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I know you you were born in Atlanta, right,
Speaker 1: But have you been in Baltimore your whole career? Have
Speaker 1: you been always like a Baltimore radio guy? Pretty much? So?
Speaker 1: I was born in Atlanta, lived there the first seven
Speaker 1: years of my life. That actually we moved because my
Speaker 1: family was in the liquor business. My dad took his
Speaker 1: talents to West Hartford, Connecticut, where I lived for three years,
Speaker 1: and then in nineteen seventy seven we moved to Baltimore,
Speaker 1: and uh, that's where I started elementary school here and
Speaker 1: then moved up to middle and high school and then
Speaker 1: went to Ithaca College and then out of Ithaca College
Speaker 1: because Syracuse wouldn't let me in. That's the reason I'm
Speaker 1: not a part of the dreaded Syracuse mafia. Didn't have
Speaker 1: the grade point average ben they wanted more than a
Speaker 1: two point out for some reason. They also wouldn't let
Speaker 1: you start on the college radio station until your junior year.
Speaker 1: Where at Ithaca they had a jv and a varsity
Speaker 1: there was an a M for the JV and an
Speaker 1: FM station for the varsity, and uh I got started
Speaker 1: in year one there and then right out of college
Speaker 1: started stringing and then started to lay in radio jobs
Speaker 1: part time and then eventually full time. Well, it really
Speaker 1: is one of the reasons, Jerry, that we have maintained
Speaker 1: a friendship for all these years is that you are
Speaker 1: not part of the Syracuse mafia. You are not part
Speaker 1: of that. Every radio station I've worked at, I've I've
Speaker 1: worked odd jobs at different places in sports media, and
Speaker 1: there's always been a handful of Syracuse people that worked there,
Speaker 1: especially in the Northeast. Man, my goodness, it is can
Speaker 1: escape yeah everywhere. I mean, it is a license to
Speaker 1: get a great job. Now, not everyone at Syracuse has
Speaker 1: a great job, but I mean the networking, the people
Speaker 1: that have come out of Syracuse, it is insane. And
Speaker 1: h that college radio station, but I'm proud. So you
Speaker 1: didn't go there. You went to a smaller school, and
Speaker 1: I went to, of course, the great Saddleback College where
Speaker 1: in those of the West, Yes, yes, so I it's
Speaker 1: actually the Syracuse the Harvard of the West. But the
Speaker 1: cool thing about that is they had a little FM station,
Speaker 1: and you know in those days, they've let you right on,
Speaker 1: like you took a couple of classes and they put
Speaker 1: you on there. Now it's not like that anymore. That
Speaker 1: the station's more revenue driven, shall I say, Jarry, you
Speaker 1: know they're trying to make some money. Yes, I understand
Speaker 1: that a lot of college radio stations have gone that route. Ironically,
Speaker 1: what it's supposed to be for the students now for revenue.
Speaker 1: But the big guy on campus when I was at
Speaker 1: Ithaca was Carl Rabbit. He was a senior. I was
Speaker 1: a freshman. He paid me very little attention until he
Speaker 1: got a small time TV job in Harrisburg. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: Harrisburg TV. We would come to Camden Yards and be
Speaker 1: my best friend until he worked for ESPN and then
Speaker 1: they never knew me again. Well that's the way it goes, right,
Speaker 1: I mean you get to yeah, yeah, we've we've all
Speaker 1: been around those people that the little nice and then
Speaker 1: when they reached a certain level, there's they're in that
Speaker 1: rare fight air and they're like, oh, you're just a
Speaker 1: radio guy, get out of here. You know where I'm
Speaker 1: a big TV star now, how dare you leave me alone? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But we all know guys. We all know guys too
Speaker 1: that are at much higher levels than the people I'm
Speaker 1: talking about that are also actually nice. You find those
Speaker 1: in between, yeah yeah, but we remember the ones that
Speaker 1: are mean and douches and things like that. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the air holes always stand out to me. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a well. It's the same concept with the news business,
Speaker 1: right if it's if it's good news, that's at the end,
Speaker 1: that's the kicker story at the end. If it's bad news.
Speaker 1: That's why I always say you you know this too, Jenny,
Speaker 1: from being in those locker rooms. The better stories in
Speaker 1: the losing locker room, right you go in there, there
Speaker 1: absolutely is. And that's what I miss about going into
Speaker 1: the locker room right now is because it is so
Speaker 1: I don't know what the word is polished. I guess
Speaker 1: as one of the words I can use, and I'll
Speaker 1: just reference the local teams like the Ravens. They will
Speaker 1: bring out the best talkers, the least controversial players too.
Speaker 1: You know, you hear from each and every week unless
Speaker 1: you may make a hardsh request, because again, they want
Speaker 1: the sanitized version coming out of the locker room. And
Speaker 1: when you enter the locker room, PR can't control that. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And are the locker rooms even open? I know, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah they're not open. Only the NHL, i've heard, but
Speaker 1: not the NBA, certainly not football or baseball. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: do miss going in there because there would be stuff
Speaker 1: that would happen that, as you said, the unexpected right
Speaker 1: where you're like you, as you said, everything kind of
Speaker 1: filtered now with PR people and stuff, But there'd be
Speaker 1: that random day on like a Wednesday night or something,
Speaker 1: and you'd get a guy on a on a perfect
Speaker 1: moment where he'd rant and complained and and and go
Speaker 1: off the deep end, and that would feed the content
Speaker 1: for the next several days. Now everything's on zoom and
Speaker 1: everything's recorded for posterity's sake, and there's there's not the
Speaker 1: one on one doesn't really exist anymore, Nope, because you
Speaker 1: have the PR people all standing around monitoring every move
Speaker 1: that has made, every word that has said, where they
Speaker 1: can't control that. Inside the locker room, you get someone
Speaker 1: in a private situation. They don't spread themselves at thin
Speaker 1: inside the locker room. So that is what I miss,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the off the record stuff that
Speaker 1: is said inside the lock rohom I missed that as well,
Speaker 1: so we don't have that right now. Again. I hope
Speaker 1: the educated fan, as you like to refer to, understands
Speaker 1: that be sure to catch live editions of The Ben
Speaker 1: Meller Show weekdays at two a m. Eastern eleven pm
Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly as much different. Now, moving on the Great Sports
Speaker 1: with Coleman. The greatest contribution, the greatest contribution to sports
Speaker 1: entertainment from Baltimore came from Earl Weaver, and I actually
Speaker 1: want to play it. I have it here, I've set
Speaker 1: it up. We're allowed. I think we're allowed to play
Speaker 1: it on the podcast. I will beg for forgiveness if
Speaker 1: we're not. But I think we're good to go on this.
Speaker 1: It's everyone involved is long gone, so I think we're
Speaker 1: good on this. This is for those that haven't heard it,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna react to it. Maybe I'll stop
Speaker 1: it in the middle of it and react to it.
Speaker 1: But this is Earl Weaver, the manager's corner, the old
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame manager, the very colorful Earl Weaver. And listen,
Speaker 1: this is amazing audio. I don't I don't know when
Speaker 1: this was recorded something I know. I know all about this.
Speaker 1: I believe the interviewer is a guy named Tom marr Okay,
Speaker 1: so this goes back. What are we looking at? Late seventies,
Speaker 1: early eighties, probably some late seventies early eighties. All right,
Speaker 1: here we go. This is the great Earl Weaver. And
Speaker 1: now to the manager's going with Earl Weaver. Hi, everybody,
Speaker 1: this is Earl Weaver with Managers Conner. Today. I have
Speaker 1: Tom marr oreo broadcaster, back on the show, and I
Speaker 1: understand understand Tom's been getting some mail with questions that
Speaker 1: supposedly I can answer. Now what the funk are somebody's
Speaker 1: goddamn questions? Tom? Well, first of all, Earl George Moore
Speaker 1: from Ball, we're gonna have to turn that up. Then?
Speaker 1: Is that too long? Wait a minute, I cannot hear
Speaker 1: any of that. Really, I heard a little bit of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, I think that's because you're on the on
Speaker 1: the phone hook up. Let me just playing a little more.
Speaker 1: This is Earl. Let me play a little Earl Weaver there.
Speaker 1: I think the the listener Jerry can hear it. But
Speaker 1: the the technical setup that we have here is not
Speaker 1: that great. May play a little bit fine. I know
Speaker 1: the conversation almost by heart. Let me play a little
Speaker 1: more here, here we go. How much we feel the
Speaker 1: loss of Don Stanhouse. Well, don Stanhouse was an asshole.
Speaker 1: He had us in trouble, had to fucking base as well,
Speaker 1: God damn it. Almost every time he went out there
Speaker 1: he liked to ruin my health smoking cigarettes. And thank
Speaker 1: god we got Jimmy Stoddard coming in out the bullpen
Speaker 1: right now sticking a bat up their asses. And that's
Speaker 1: what it takes. Well, Bill Whitehouse less certainly is an
Speaker 1: answer from Frederick Maryland wants to know why you and
Speaker 1: the Orioles don't go up and get some more teams, Speed,
Speaker 1: team speed, for Christ's sake. You get fucking goddamn little
Speaker 1: pleased on the fucking basis getting picked off, trying to steal,
Speaker 1: get the throwne out, taking runs away from you. You
Speaker 1: get them big cock suckers that you hit the fucking
Speaker 1: ball out of the ball puck, and you can't make
Speaker 1: any god damn mistakes. Well, certainly this show is gonna
Speaker 1: get out in history. Earl Terry Elliott of Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: Why And he wants to know why you don't use
Speaker 1: Terry Crowley. As here we go. Well, Terry Terry Crowley's
Speaker 1: lucky he's in fucking baseball. For christ sake. He was
Speaker 1: released by the Cincinnata Reds. He was released by the
Speaker 1: fucking goddamn Atlanta Braves. We saw that Terry Crowley could
Speaker 1: sit on his fucking ask gerade innings and enjoy watching
Speaker 1: a baseball game just like any other fan, and has
Speaker 1: the ability to get up there and break one open
Speaker 1: in the fucking ninth. So if this toxicker mind his
Speaker 1: own business and let me manage the fucking team, we'd
Speaker 1: be a lot better off. Well, certainly you've made your
Speaker 1: opinions known on the fans questions about baseball, Earl, But
Speaker 1: let's get to something else. Alice Sweet from off, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got to be worried about where to funk her
Speaker 1: next lays coming from, rather where next goddamn tomato plants
Speaker 1: coming from. Get her ass out the fucking bars at
Speaker 1: night and go hustling around the goddamn streets. You might
Speaker 1: get a frick stuck in her once in a while.
Speaker 1: I don't understand where the questions are coming time. That's
Speaker 1: about it from manager's honor, Go fuck yourself and fun
Speaker 1: with your show coming up next on the Bollimore Audio
Speaker 1: Baseball fucking Network. Alright, man, that is outstanding, So, uh
Speaker 1: what do you know about I mean, obviously that's one
Speaker 1: of the great things that has come out of Baltimore
Speaker 1: or Earl and it's it's right up there with the
Speaker 1: Lee EO your rants, some of the sort of rants
Speaker 1: like there's like this upper echelon Jerry of great rants
Speaker 1: and Earl Weavers in the top five all time. That
Speaker 1: was outstanding. That was yes. Now, now that pregame show
Speaker 1: never did air on the radio, I will disclose that
Speaker 1: that never made it to air. Uh. That was kind
Speaker 1: of a mock thing that they did that somehow, I
Speaker 1: think a producer put out there and it got loose.
Speaker 1: I don't think Alice ever submitted a question after that.
Speaker 1: I think Terry Crowley realized that he was joking. The
Speaker 1: crow was a great pinch it or back in the time.
Speaker 1: But uh, Tom and Earl would have a lot of
Speaker 1: fun during that pregame show and they would grow a
Speaker 1: garden out there in the bullpen. Pat Santa On the
Speaker 1: old groundskeeper, would grow like tomatoes and other vegetables. They'd
Speaker 1: have a little garden in the bullpen, and Earl would
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a green thumb and a
Speaker 1: hand in that. So that's where that emanated from. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was tremendous. And that's right up there with the
Speaker 1: argument he had with Uh. I believe it's the late
Speaker 1: great Ron Luciano where he came out to the mound
Speaker 1: and everything was heard, and he kept calling Earl a
Speaker 1: loser and recited his world series record and all that,
Speaker 1: and UH and Eddie Murray is standing there trying to
Speaker 1: hold back the laughter. It was just hilarious. Mike Flanagan
Speaker 1: tries to intervene. It was quite a comedy show with Earl,
Speaker 1: who was one of the greatest managers of all time,
Speaker 1: but also quite a character, very vocal, not too tall,
Speaker 1: maybe Kyler Murray size. But he and Jim Palmer had
Speaker 1: a very testy relationship bend and that continued even after
Speaker 1: their careers were over. I remember near the end of
Speaker 1: Earl's life there was a banquet where the two were
Speaker 1: seated next to each other and the alcohol was flowing,
Speaker 1: and so were the insults, and it almost came two blows.
Speaker 1: You may want to look that up, because that was
Speaker 1: just less than ten years ago. I think when that
Speaker 1: occurred and it got really ugly at a place right
Speaker 1: down the road called Martin's West, where I think they
Speaker 1: had to have some people come in and intervene between
Speaker 1: those two because Earl was ready to go after Jim.
Speaker 1: So it was not a bygones, be bygone situation. It
Speaker 1: was it was personal between Earl Weaver and Jim Palm
Speaker 1: when Earle was when Earle had a few cocktails and cigarettes,
Speaker 1: and he was notorious for smoking in the dugout in
Speaker 1: the runway. Uh. In fact, he had a nickname for
Speaker 1: Don Stanhouse, the former reliever. He would call him six pack,
Speaker 1: not in terms of beers, but six packs of cigarettes.
Speaker 1: He would have to go through as this guy tried
Speaker 1: to get through the ninth inning. But Earl had a
Speaker 1: temper and we would see it on the field and
Speaker 1: sometimes off the field. Now he was gone by the
Speaker 1: time he started as radio reporter. Right now he wasn't
Speaker 1: managing the team. I was around the sort a little bit.
Speaker 1: This Earl did. Earl have the reputation like Tommy where
Speaker 1: if the Dodgers won, Tommy would be waiting for the
Speaker 1: cameras to come into the locker room ready to go,
Speaker 1: and if the Dodgers lost, he would be sitting behind
Speaker 1: his desk eating some kind of whatever the meal of
Speaker 1: the night was, and he wouldn't stop eating, and he
Speaker 1: had his head down and he would be he had
Speaker 1: he had to shove the mic. I remember how to
Speaker 1: clean the microphone, Jerry, because as a stringer and I
Speaker 1: started the sort of managed. It was like the last
Speaker 1: three years he managed. And I remember when they lose,
Speaker 1: he would spit food on the mic and I had
Speaker 1: to clean the sort of spit food parts off my
Speaker 1: micro was did Earl have the same reputation or was
Speaker 1: he the same whether the O's one or they lost.
Speaker 1: I had heard, because I never covered him, that he
Speaker 1: could be testy after a loss. But the managers, the
Speaker 1: vintage manager is that I dealt with during the La
Speaker 1: Sword Age fit that description, and they would be the
Speaker 1: late Sparky Anderson and Lou Panella Litow. Lou wouldn't even
Speaker 1: get dressed sometimes, which was very uncomfortable, so he would
Speaker 1: be sitting there without anything on. He would have a
Speaker 1: cigarette in his right hand and a fork in his
Speaker 1: left hand. He would eat and smoke and then he'd
Speaker 1: pick up the beer in between questions, and he was
Speaker 1: always very testy. This is when he was managing Seattle.
Speaker 1: And then Sparky of course would come in with the
Speaker 1: tigers and and be a curmudgeon at times two to
Speaker 1: the young reporters trying to ask, you know, probing questions.
Speaker 1: So those are the vintage managers I dealt with only
Speaker 1: the sort of one time. But that Dave Kingman Rants
Speaker 1: still reigned supreme. Well, it's the Kingman Rants great. The
Speaker 1: Kirk Bovaca one is pretty good. Bovaca couldn't hit water
Speaker 1: if he fell out of a boat. But but for me,
Speaker 1: the Lea is still still the gold standard. And less
Speaker 1: grob I should get less Grobstein on this podcast. Less
Speaker 1: is uh. He's I think last I heard, he's still
Speaker 1: doing a show in Chicago, and he's the guy that
Speaker 1: recorded that, uh the radio stringer back in those days
Speaker 1: in the early eighties and had a tour Lee had
Speaker 1: a tour of duty through Baltimore and talked about that,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, without any terms of you know,
Speaker 1: remorse whatsoever. I think at the time maybe he felt it,
Speaker 1: but now he feels like it's a part of baseball lords.
Speaker 1: So he kind of embraced it when I asked him
Speaker 1: about it. But you're right, there was no tirade that
Speaker 1: equaled that inside, you know, a manager's office that I
Speaker 1: had ever heard. Yeah, and I had heard stories that
Speaker 1: that wasn't even the worst like that, that this that
Speaker 1: just happened to be recorded. Jerry, that that there was
Speaker 1: actually some other stuff that didn't get recorded. I heard
Speaker 1: the same thing about the sort of that, the sort
Speaker 1: of you know, he had some epic rants that were
Speaker 1: better than the Kingman rant. But because it was only
Speaker 1: sports writers and there weren't can was around her microphones
Speaker 1: per se, that that stuff got lost, Uh, for the
Speaker 1: ages there. Now, speaking of Baltimore sports, there's another story. Now,
Speaker 1: we have fought over this for many years, the legendary
Speaker 1: night the lights went out at Camden Yards and cal
Speaker 1: Ripken had not set the record yet. It was a
Speaker 1: big game the Mariners, who at the time it's hard
Speaker 1: to believe now considering how crappy the Mariners have been
Speaker 1: for almost twenty years, but at that time the Mariners
Speaker 1: were one of the it teams in baseball, and they
Speaker 1: had big rock star players in Seattle, and they were
Speaker 1: playing the Orioles. And this is a big game and
Speaker 1: Cal Ripkins getting closer to breaking the all time streak
Speaker 1: for consecutive games played, and the lights went out at
Speaker 1: Camden Yards. The game was postponed immediately. There was a
Speaker 1: rumor that popped up that there was an incident involving
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner and Cal Ripkin's wife. And if you want, Jerry,
Speaker 1: I can give the story as I remember the story,
Speaker 1: or you can give the story if you want, but
Speaker 1: I believe it to be true. You have said it
Speaker 1: is not true. But the story involves, uh, Cal going
Speaker 1: to the ballpark forgetting something, turning around to go home,
Speaker 1: and there was a situation he walked in on with
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner and I guess now his ex wife and Uh.
Speaker 1: And because of that situation, they had to cancel the game.
Speaker 1: That he was so flummixed and also a little beaten
Speaker 1: up that he had to cancel. They had to cancel
Speaker 1: the game. You have denied that, Jerry, you have taken
Speaker 1: that and said it is bull crap. I believe you
Speaker 1: are wrong, but make your position known again for those
Speaker 1: listening to the fifth hour. Well, first of all, let's
Speaker 1: think about the multiple layers of cover up that would
Speaker 1: have to transpire for this to occur in seven Now,
Speaker 1: it was true that Kevin and Costner was finishing up
Speaker 1: a film. I think it was called The Postman, and
Speaker 1: he was staying at the Ripken home back in August
Speaker 1: of the cow returning home before a game. Never heard
Speaker 1: of that before. That's usually not the norm. Usually when
Speaker 1: he goes to the ballpark, he doesn't turn around to
Speaker 1: go back to retrieve something. I was at the game
Speaker 1: that night. I spoke with Cal before that game that night.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think I may have interviewed him. As
Speaker 1: far as the lighting going on, it was out all
Speaker 1: of downtown Baltimore. I mean, what a conspiracy to have
Speaker 1: all of Baltimore's electricity shut down for one guy to
Speaker 1: keep a streak intact. I just don't believe it. I
Speaker 1: think that Kevin Costner actually called into Fox at one
Speaker 1: point to put the k bosh on this, But it's
Speaker 1: too extravagant of a rumor for me to buy to
Speaker 1: keep a streak intact. So being there that night, seeing
Speaker 1: the lights off all around downtown Baltimore, it was unusual.
Speaker 1: But I'm not buying into the conspiracy that that kept
Speaker 1: the street going and those two gotten a big battle
Speaker 1: inside the Ripken home. All right. So I here's where
Speaker 1: I come into this. So I was this stringer at
Speaker 1: the time. I was doing my thing, and I was
Speaker 1: at Dodger Stadium. Uh. And the next day, the next day,
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine came. He came up to me,
Speaker 1: said You're never gonna believe this, and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: of course, I said, what is it? What are you
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? And he said, you know
Speaker 1: that that game between the Orioles and the Mariners. He says, well,
Speaker 1: I was in Vegas last night and uh. He then
Speaker 1: said he was gambling. Uh, this is I guess this
Speaker 1: is actually two days after because he had come back
Speaker 1: two days after. So this he was in Vegas the
Speaker 1: day after that game. He says, You're never gonna be whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm in I'm ethics, see, and I'm gambling.
Speaker 1: And he ended up he was gambling with somebody who
Speaker 1: happened to be very close with Peter Angelos, the owner
Speaker 1: of the Orioles there at the time and in the
Speaker 1: Angelo's family, and said that he explained the whole story.
Speaker 1: And this is before it became popular, and this is
Speaker 1: you know this this in the days Jerry before social media.
Speaker 1: So and he's giving me the whole thing. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is unbelievers, came right from the name,
Speaker 1: the person whatever. And so I I buy it because
Speaker 1: I feel like I heard it two days after as
Speaker 1: I remember, as I remember the story. So it is
Speaker 1: conceivable Cal Ripkin was such a big deal in those
Speaker 1: days that the Illuminati could have come in right and
Speaker 1: some kind of new world order and then let's just
Speaker 1: shut the lights out. You know, Peter Angelo's has a
Speaker 1: lot of money. You had a lot of money at
Speaker 1: the time, still has a lot of money that the
Speaker 1: Angelo's family and all that. So, uh, make a few
Speaker 1: phone calls, Hey, give do me a solid and uh,
Speaker 1: that's it. The game's postponed for a night, and then
Speaker 1: the next night everything's good. Well, I do know that
Speaker 1: Cal is no longer married to Kelly Rippin. They've been
Speaker 1: separate aided a divorce for quite some time. There was
Speaker 1: no connection to Kevin Costner whatsoever. Again, very elaborate to
Speaker 1: keep that streak going. But that's what, truly you want
Speaker 1: to believe. That's fine. I mean, I just don't see
Speaker 1: it that way. Having been at the ballpark that night,
Speaker 1: I just find it hard to fathom that they would
Speaker 1: go to that link to keep this streak intact and
Speaker 1: shut down all of the power in Baltimore. Well, remember
Speaker 1: not just at Camden Yards. I mean there were other
Speaker 1: places where the lights were out too. It wasn't just
Speaker 1: at Camden Yards. I wouldn't say the entire city was dark,
Speaker 1: but that neighborhood, the block or two that the ballpark
Speaker 1: sat in, was dark. Be sure to catch live editions
Speaker 1: of The Ben Meller Show weekdays at two am Eastern
Speaker 1: eleven pm Pacific. Well, and and also they'll remember in
Speaker 1: that time that was the cal Ripkins streak was to
Speaker 1: bring fans back because baseball was still trying to get
Speaker 1: people to come back after the work stopage into and
Speaker 1: then that that cal Ripkin was credited with bringing you know,
Speaker 1: old time baseball fans back and all that. So that
Speaker 1: was a big deal to save a billion dollar industry.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine if he had gotten that close to
Speaker 1: the streak and then not being able to play, Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, that would have been a disaster for baseball
Speaker 1: at that By then, though he had already set the
Speaker 1: consecutive games record. We're talking about nineties seven. I believe
Speaker 1: he set the record in ninety five, so he was
Speaker 1: just trying to keep it intact and extend it. But again,
Speaker 1: what year was it. I gotta look, I believe I
Speaker 1: thought it was ninety seven. Was that might you might
Speaker 1: you know, you might be right, but ninety seven are
Speaker 1: like the same to me. You know, the streak was
Speaker 1: still very much intact, though, is what I'm saying. Then
Speaker 1: he was trying to you know, he kept it going
Speaker 1: five hundred games longer after breaking Luke Garrett's mark, So
Speaker 1: it was still a big deal at that point. But again,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of things would add to
Speaker 1: have occurred for that to transpire. All right, So as
Speaker 1: far is, the Ravens are concerned, and we've kept you
Speaker 1: a long time here, Jerry. But what a game that was?
Speaker 1: Uh look, yeah, well the last Ravens game very impressive. Now,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. I did several rants, several Mallard monologues slamming
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson back in the day, and he made me
Speaker 1: look like a total donkey when he had the m
Speaker 1: v P, the breakout, amazing, all everything, the video game
Speaker 1: glitch here for the Ravens. But I have noticed here
Speaker 1: this season quietly, Lamar, not exactly lighting the world on
Speaker 1: fire here, Jerry, what's going on with your guy, Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: You're right, he's regressed. I think you pointed it out
Speaker 1: after the Thursday night debacle in Miami. The last three
Speaker 1: games have been underwhelming, and then we were supposed to
Speaker 1: speak to him the other day and for the third
Speaker 1: time this year on a Wednesday, he's missed his session
Speaker 1: because he was ill, and that's kind of peculiar. The
Speaker 1: coach came out and said, it's not COVID. We don't
Speaker 1: know if he's had the shot or not, because it's
Speaker 1: something he keeps secretive. And I'm tired of asking about it.
Speaker 1: And I know you're tired of people asking athletes about
Speaker 1: it yourself, even though that's what I like to do,
Speaker 1: is prod and probe. But the fact that he lost
Speaker 1: his top two running backs, a lot of his offensive
Speaker 1: line is banged up. Yeah, injuries are part of football.
Speaker 1: The Ravens have as many as any team in the NFL,
Speaker 1: but it's really hurt him. He's been sacked twenty seven
Speaker 1: times already this year. Ben. That's five more times and
Speaker 1: all of last year combined. And I think maybe he's
Speaker 1: not ill. I just think they're trying to give him
Speaker 1: an extra day off. He's taken up beating, and the
Speaker 1: Ravens are going to continue to run this guy until
Speaker 1: they try and get to a super Bowl. And I
Speaker 1: really wonder what type of money they're gonna offer him,
Speaker 1: if a substantial contract at all. I just think they're
Speaker 1: waiting until the very last second to try and have
Speaker 1: to pay this guy and see what they can get
Speaker 1: out of him physically and running the football. But when
Speaker 1: he's carrying the ball twenty times a game, that's for
Speaker 1: a running back, not a quarterback. Is he gonna get
Speaker 1: paid here? Is there a chance that the Ravens don't
Speaker 1: give him the contract, that they say, hey, you're too
Speaker 1: injury prone and we can't we can't trust that you're
Speaker 1: gonna be effective and we're gonna get we can't give
Speaker 1: you all this guaranteed money? Is there? Everyone? Everyone seems
Speaker 1: sold that he's going to get paid. Yet his mother
Speaker 1: is his agent. He doesn't have anyone reputable handling him.
Speaker 1: With no disrespect to his mother, but she hasn't done
Speaker 1: this for a living like people you know out there
Speaker 1: that do do it for a you know seven day
Speaker 1: a week living and he doesn't have any major endorsements
Speaker 1: either that I won the m v P a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. He's not appearing on commercials like homes
Speaker 1: and Rogers and Baker Mayfield. So a lot of his
Speaker 1: money is being made by selling apparel and other little
Speaker 1: things that he's doing. But for me, he's blown millions
Speaker 1: of dollars and endorsement money, and again it's still working
Speaker 1: off his rookie deal. Yeah, it's pretty pretty well now.
Speaker 1: You're you're very well known on our show. Your your
Speaker 1: relationship with John Harbaugh, your repartee with John Harbaugh. Does
Speaker 1: he like you or not like you? I think he
Speaker 1: does like you. I think he genuinely likes you and
Speaker 1: also at the same time hates you based on how
Speaker 1: the interaction goes. What I've seen on some of these
Speaker 1: Raven News conferences when I watched them online, Jerry, where
Speaker 1: are you at with John Harbaugh? The coach? Long time
Speaker 1: coach at the rating. John Harbaugh has been there forever.
Speaker 1: My goodness. I thought he was gonna leave a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago when they had that rough patch. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's going there. I don't think he's going anyway.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be there for the rest of
Speaker 1: his life. But you and Hardball, where are you at?
Speaker 1: You two? I think you nailed it pretty accurately. We
Speaker 1: have a tremendous relationship. But at times he does hate me,
Speaker 1: especially when I'm asking a question that he knows is
Speaker 1: going to be probing, that he knows is going to
Speaker 1: rub him the wrong way. But I have his phone number.
Speaker 1: He and I text back and forth, and sometimes he
Speaker 1: doesn't mind when I stirred up to be honest with few.
Speaker 1: I think he respects the fact that, you know, unlike
Speaker 1: a lot of people in our business, especially around here,
Speaker 1: they'll take shots at the Ravens or the Orioles and
Speaker 1: never show their face at the ballpark or the locker room.
Speaker 1: I'm out there two or three times a week now.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons, ad Midaly is the Ravens are
Speaker 1: giving out free COVID tests, So every Wednesday I go
Speaker 1: there just to get tests tested and make sure I
Speaker 1: test negative. They also give out some very good food
Speaker 1: on Wednesdays, so that's why I go out there on Wednesdays.
Speaker 1: But I'm out there on Monday's peppering him at his
Speaker 1: press conference. I don't even bother asking him questions after
Speaker 1: the football game anymore, Ben, because they always say, I
Speaker 1: have to look at the proverbial tape. And that's why
Speaker 1: I wait until Monday and say, now that you've looked
Speaker 1: at your tape and seeing how bad your team looked
Speaker 1: on Sunday, maybe you can comment on this aspect. Now
Speaker 1: does he pull the old Well, we're ready to move on.
Speaker 1: Now that's in the past. We're not gonna look. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: we don't turn the page on Monday's. We don't turn
Speaker 1: the page on Mondays. I remind him of that. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can turn the page on Wednesday, but not the
Speaker 1: day after, two days after the game. Now, when you
Speaker 1: say they have good food the Ravens, what are we
Speaker 1: looking at? Give me a kind of an idea. Here's
Speaker 1: a media freeloader myself. Over the years, I enjoy a
Speaker 1: good meal. I know you have gone to the legendary
Speaker 1: horse race there in Baltimore and then the Preakness. You've
Speaker 1: told me you you've gone just for the foods occasionally
Speaker 1: that it's that good. Well, that's a catered event. Then
Speaker 1: that is a catered event. What the Ravens do is
Speaker 1: every Wednesday, they will bring in an outside establishment for food.
Speaker 1: Yesterday it was a local pizza chain. We had all
Speaker 1: sorts of cow zones, uh, buffalo chicken. I went for
Speaker 1: the meat lovers. Instead of taking one, I take two.
Speaker 1: I live about ten minutes away from the complex. I
Speaker 1: could bring ice cream home from the complex and it
Speaker 1: wouldn't melt, so I make sure I get my allotment
Speaker 1: and get on out of there. But it rotates. It's
Speaker 1: pizza one week, it subs the next week barbecue, so
Speaker 1: there's a rotation that's going. In fact, I've been taking
Speaker 1: pictures every week and at the end of the year
Speaker 1: I'll make a montage and credit some of the Ravens
Speaker 1: p R. Because they keep reminding me they're paying for
Speaker 1: the food. It's not part of a trade deal. And
Speaker 1: then I remind them they're worth about three billion dollars,
Speaker 1: so stop complaining. Yeah, well that's good. That's good to hear.
Speaker 1: The Ravens are taking care of you guys. I know
Speaker 1: in l A at the Ram Games at so Fi Stadium,
Speaker 1: which is amazing. It's a it's a palace that place.
Speaker 1: The Rams better food than the Chargers, even though it's
Speaker 1: the same stadium, the same setup in the press box
Speaker 1: and all that on game day, better spread of food
Speaker 1: for the l A Rams and the l A Chargers.
Speaker 1: So and the Stan Crockie Stan Crocki has got more
Speaker 1: money than that Spanos family, right, Yeah, Well, the charge
Speaker 1: is probably upset with the media because they don't get
Speaker 1: the same attention the Rams get and all that. But
Speaker 1: you're right they I always that was trade. I always
Speaker 1: thought it was part of the deal, and they just too.
Speaker 1: You know, you know who may have the best pre
Speaker 1: games set up in the NFL in terms of food
Speaker 1: and halftime? Who's that? That would be the Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: Buccaneers because they have a omelet spread in the morning,
Speaker 1: um where you can order your own omelet. They have
Speaker 1: an omelet bar going before the game. Then at halftime
Speaker 1: that turns into like if you want bananas, foster or
Speaker 1: something else off the frying pan, and then they add
Speaker 1: in all sorts of candy bars. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a pile of Snickers, a pile of heath Bars,
Speaker 1: three musketeers, you go down the line. So they really
Speaker 1: spoiled the media down in Tampa. And this was pre
Speaker 1: Tom Brady Nice. I've not been to a Buccaneers game.
Speaker 1: I'll have to have to check that out. All right, Sports,
Speaker 1: how can people follow you on Twitter? How can they
Speaker 1: hear you on your radio show? Promote? Promote? Promote? All Right?
Speaker 1: On Twitter? Are at Sports with Coleman. Instagram it is
Speaker 1: J cole five five four or five J colet and
Speaker 1: the Facebook page Sports with Coleman. Pretty easy to remember.
Speaker 1: I'm on the radio typically six to ten at nights.
Speaker 1: Used to do Morning Drive. Asked for out of that.
Speaker 1: The reason being is because I think you've talked about this.
Speaker 1: You know, work in the morning drive takes years off
Speaker 1: your life. Wasn't really good for my mental health. The
Speaker 1: days were getting shorter. Plus I was working with two
Speaker 1: other people. Now I have my own show just like you,
Speaker 1: and I don't have the interruptions that I had to
Speaker 1: deal with. Plus I get to set the agenda from
Speaker 1: my show. So I'm on six to ten. When there
Speaker 1: isn't Maryland basketball, when the Orioles aren't playing, and when
Speaker 1: there isn't Monday or Thursday night football, That's what I'll
Speaker 1: be on. So in essence, I'm on two or three
Speaker 1: times a week. It's a great gig and occasionally I
Speaker 1: even make an appearance like I did the other night.
Speaker 1: I make an appearance with The Great Sports with Coleman.
Speaker 1: But you're right morning radio and I've I've done this
Speaker 1: ramp many times. I did morning updates for a brief
Speaker 1: period of my career and I could not figure it out.
Speaker 1: I'm not a morning person and I tried to stay
Speaker 1: up all night. That didn't work, and the hours were
Speaker 1: just to me, they were worse than working overnights. People.
Speaker 1: A lot of people complain. I'll run into people, how
Speaker 1: do you work the overnight? So I'm like, compared to
Speaker 1: morning drive. The only thing that sucks about is you
Speaker 1: don't get paid doing night radio or overnight radio. You
Speaker 1: don't get paid anywhere near what you get paid typically
Speaker 1: in the mornings. But uh, the quality of life is
Speaker 1: better anyway. Jerry, thank you so much, appreciate it. We'll
Speaker 1: have you on again and have a wonderful Thanksgiving. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving to you and the listeners out there. I
Speaker 1: enjoy the radio show as much as a podcast. Thanks
Speaker 1: for having me