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Speaker 1: Ben Maller starts right now in the air everywhere, Yet

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Speaker 1: Coleman on in the nighttime hours in Baltimore six to ten.

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Speaker 1: Jerry Coleman is his name, and sports talk radio is

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Speaker 1: his game. So, Jerry, how long have we known each other?

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Speaker 1: I think it began in the early two thousands, I

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Speaker 1: Baseball fucking Network. Alright, man, that is outstanding, So, uh

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Speaker 1: that never made it to air. Uh. That was kind

429
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: of a mock thing that they did that somehow, I

430
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 1: think a producer put out there and it got loose.

431
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Speaker 1: I don't think Alice ever submitted a question after that.

432
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: I think Terry Crowley realized that he was joking. The

433
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 1: crow was a great pinch it or back in the time.

434
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Speaker 1: But uh, Tom and Earl would have a lot of

435
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: fun during that pregame show and they would grow a

436
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 1: garden out there in the bullpen. Pat Santa On the

437
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: old groundskeeper, would grow like tomatoes and other vegetables. They'd

438
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: have a little garden in the bullpen, and Earl would

439
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a green thumb and a

440
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: hand in that. So that's where that emanated from. But yeah,

441
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: that was tremendous. And that's right up there with the

442
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: argument he had with Uh. I believe it's the late

443
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 1: great Ron Luciano where he came out to the mound

444
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 1: and everything was heard, and he kept calling Earl a

445
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: loser and recited his world series record and all that,

446
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: and UH and Eddie Murray is standing there trying to

447
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: hold back the laughter. It was just hilarious. Mike Flanagan

448
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: tries to intervene. It was quite a comedy show with Earl,

449
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: who was one of the greatest managers of all time,

450
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: but also quite a character, very vocal, not too tall,

451
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: maybe Kyler Murray size. But he and Jim Palmer had

452
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: a very testy relationship bend and that continued even after

453
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: their careers were over. I remember near the end of

454
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Speaker 1: Earl's life there was a banquet where the two were

455
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 1: seated next to each other and the alcohol was flowing,

456
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 1: and so were the insults, and it almost came two blows.

457
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: You may want to look that up, because that was

458
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: just less than ten years ago. I think when that

459
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: occurred and it got really ugly at a place right

460
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: down the road called Martin's West, where I think they

461
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: had to have some people come in and intervene between

462
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 1: those two because Earl was ready to go after Jim.

463
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: So it was not a bygones, be bygone situation. It

464
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: was it was personal between Earl Weaver and Jim Palm

465
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: when Earle was when Earle had a few cocktails and cigarettes,

466
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: and he was notorious for smoking in the dugout in

467
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 1: the runway. Uh. In fact, he had a nickname for

468
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: Don Stanhouse, the former reliever. He would call him six pack,

469
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: not in terms of beers, but six packs of cigarettes.

470
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: He would have to go through as this guy tried

471
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: to get through the ninth inning. But Earl had a

472
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: temper and we would see it on the field and

473
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: sometimes off the field. Now he was gone by the

474
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: time he started as radio reporter. Right now he wasn't

475
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: managing the team. I was around the sort a little bit.

476
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: This Earl did. Earl have the reputation like Tommy where

477
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,239
Speaker 1: if the Dodgers won, Tommy would be waiting for the

478
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,239
Speaker 1: cameras to come into the locker room ready to go,

479
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: and if the Dodgers lost, he would be sitting behind

480
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: his desk eating some kind of whatever the meal of

481
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: the night was, and he wouldn't stop eating, and he

482
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: had his head down and he would be he had

483
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: he had to shove the mic. I remember how to

484
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: clean the microphone, Jerry, because as a stringer and I

485
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: started the sort of managed. It was like the last

486
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: three years he managed. And I remember when they lose,

487
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: he would spit food on the mic and I had

488
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: to clean the sort of spit food parts off my

489
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: micro was did Earl have the same reputation or was

490
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: he the same whether the O's one or they lost.

491
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: I had heard, because I never covered him, that he

492
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: could be testy after a loss. But the managers, the

493
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Speaker 1: vintage manager is that I dealt with during the La

494
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: Sword Age fit that description, and they would be the

495
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: late Sparky Anderson and Lou Panella Litow. Lou wouldn't even

496
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: get dressed sometimes, which was very uncomfortable, so he would

497
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: be sitting there without anything on. He would have a

498
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: cigarette in his right hand and a fork in his

499
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: left hand. He would eat and smoke and then he'd

500
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: pick up the beer in between questions, and he was

501
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: always very testy. This is when he was managing Seattle.

502
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: And then Sparky of course would come in with the

503
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: tigers and and be a curmudgeon at times two to

504
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: the young reporters trying to ask, you know, probing questions.

505
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: So those are the vintage managers I dealt with only

506
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: the sort of one time. But that Dave Kingman Rants

507
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: still reigned supreme. Well, it's the Kingman Rants great. The

508
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: Kirk Bovaca one is pretty good. Bovaca couldn't hit water

509
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: if he fell out of a boat. But but for me,

510
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: the Lea is still still the gold standard. And less

511
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: grob I should get less Grobstein on this podcast. Less

512
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: is uh. He's I think last I heard, he's still

513
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: doing a show in Chicago, and he's the guy that

514
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: recorded that, uh the radio stringer back in those days

515
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: in the early eighties and had a tour Lee had

516
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: a tour of duty through Baltimore and talked about that,

517
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, without any terms of you know,

518
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: remorse whatsoever. I think at the time maybe he felt it,

519
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: but now he feels like it's a part of baseball lords.

520
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: So he kind of embraced it when I asked him

521
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: about it. But you're right, there was no tirade that

522
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: equaled that inside, you know, a manager's office that I

523
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: had ever heard. Yeah, and I had heard stories that

524
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: that wasn't even the worst like that, that this that

525
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: just happened to be recorded. Jerry, that that there was

526
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 1: actually some other stuff that didn't get recorded. I heard

527
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: the same thing about the sort of that, the sort

528
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: of you know, he had some epic rants that were

529
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: better than the Kingman rant. But because it was only

530
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: sports writers and there weren't can was around her microphones

531
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: per se, that that stuff got lost, Uh, for the

532
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: ages there. Now, speaking of Baltimore sports, there's another story. Now,

533
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: we have fought over this for many years, the legendary

534
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: night the lights went out at Camden Yards and cal

535
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 1: Ripken had not set the record yet. It was a

536
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: big game the Mariners, who at the time it's hard

537
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: to believe now considering how crappy the Mariners have been

538
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: for almost twenty years, but at that time the Mariners

539
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: were one of the it teams in baseball, and they

540
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: had big rock star players in Seattle, and they were

541
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: playing the Orioles. And this is a big game and

542
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: Cal Ripkins getting closer to breaking the all time streak

543
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: for consecutive games played, and the lights went out at

544
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: Camden Yards. The game was postponed immediately. There was a

545
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: rumor that popped up that there was an incident involving

546
00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner and Cal Ripkin's wife. And if you want, Jerry,

547
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: I can give the story as I remember the story,

548
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: or you can give the story if you want, but

549
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: I believe it to be true. You have said it

550
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: is not true. But the story involves, uh, Cal going

551
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: to the ballpark forgetting something, turning around to go home,

552
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: and there was a situation he walked in on with

553
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner and I guess now his ex wife and Uh.

554
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: And because of that situation, they had to cancel the game.

555
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: That he was so flummixed and also a little beaten

556
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: up that he had to cancel. They had to cancel

557
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: the game. You have denied that, Jerry, you have taken

558
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: that and said it is bull crap. I believe you

559
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: are wrong, but make your position known again for those

560
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: listening to the fifth hour. Well, first of all, let's

561
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: think about the multiple layers of cover up that would

562
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: have to transpire for this to occur in seven Now,

563
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: it was true that Kevin and Costner was finishing up

564
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: a film. I think it was called The Postman, and

565
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: he was staying at the Ripken home back in August

566
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: of the cow returning home before a game. Never heard

567
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: of that before. That's usually not the norm. Usually when

568
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: he goes to the ballpark, he doesn't turn around to

569
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: go back to retrieve something. I was at the game

570
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: that night. I spoke with Cal before that game that night.

571
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: In fact, I think I may have interviewed him. As

572
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: far as the lighting going on, it was out all

573
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: of downtown Baltimore. I mean, what a conspiracy to have

574
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: all of Baltimore's electricity shut down for one guy to

575
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: keep a streak intact. I just don't believe it. I

576
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: think that Kevin Costner actually called into Fox at one

577
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: point to put the k bosh on this, But it's

578
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: too extravagant of a rumor for me to buy to

579
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: keep a streak intact. So being there that night, seeing

580
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: the lights off all around downtown Baltimore, it was unusual.

581
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: But I'm not buying into the conspiracy that that kept

582
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: the street going and those two gotten a big battle

583
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: inside the Ripken home. All right. So I here's where

584
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: I come into this. So I was this stringer at

585
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: the time. I was doing my thing, and I was

586
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: at Dodger Stadium. Uh. And the next day, the next day,

587
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine came. He came up to me,

588
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: said You're never gonna believe this, and I said, you know,

589
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: of course, I said, what is it? What are you

590
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? And he said, you know

591
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: that that game between the Orioles and the Mariners. He says, well,

592
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: I was in Vegas last night and uh. He then

593
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: said he was gambling. Uh, this is I guess this

594
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: is actually two days after because he had come back

595
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: two days after. So this he was in Vegas the

596
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: day after that game. He says, You're never gonna be whatever.

597
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm in I'm ethics, see, and I'm gambling.

598
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: And he ended up he was gambling with somebody who

599
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: happened to be very close with Peter Angelos, the owner

600
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: of the Orioles there at the time and in the

601
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: Angelo's family, and said that he explained the whole story.

602
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: And this is before it became popular, and this is

603
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: you know this this in the days Jerry before social media.

604
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: So and he's giving me the whole thing. He's like,

605
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, this is unbelievers, came right from the name,

606
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: the person whatever. And so I I buy it because

607
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: I feel like I heard it two days after as

608
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: I remember, as I remember the story. So it is

609
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: conceivable Cal Ripkin was such a big deal in those

610
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: days that the Illuminati could have come in right and

611
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: some kind of new world order and then let's just

612
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: shut the lights out. You know, Peter Angelo's has a

613
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: lot of money. You had a lot of money at

614
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: the time, still has a lot of money that the

615
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: Angelo's family and all that. So, uh, make a few

616
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: phone calls, Hey, give do me a solid and uh,

617
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: that's it. The game's postponed for a night, and then

618
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: the next night everything's good. Well, I do know that

619
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: Cal is no longer married to Kelly Rippin. They've been

620
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: separate aided a divorce for quite some time. There was

621
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: no connection to Kevin Costner whatsoever. Again, very elaborate to

622
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: keep that streak going. But that's what, truly you want

623
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: to believe. That's fine. I mean, I just don't see

624
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: it that way. Having been at the ballpark that night,

625
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: I just find it hard to fathom that they would

626
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 1: go to that link to keep this streak intact and

627
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: shut down all of the power in Baltimore. Well, remember

628
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: not just at Camden Yards. I mean there were other

629
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: places where the lights were out too. It wasn't just

630
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: at Camden Yards. I wouldn't say the entire city was dark,

631
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: but that neighborhood, the block or two that the ballpark

632
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: sat in, was dark. Be sure to catch live editions

633
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: of The Ben Meller Show weekdays at two am Eastern

634
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: eleven pm Pacific. Well, and and also they'll remember in

635
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: that time that was the cal Ripkins streak was to

636
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: bring fans back because baseball was still trying to get

637
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: people to come back after the work stopage into and

638
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: then that that cal Ripkin was credited with bringing you know,

639
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: old time baseball fans back and all that. So that

640
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: was a big deal to save a billion dollar industry.

641
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: Could you imagine if he had gotten that close to

642
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: the streak and then not being able to play, Oh

643
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: my goodness, that would have been a disaster for baseball

644
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: at that By then, though he had already set the

645
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: consecutive games record. We're talking about nineties seven. I believe

646
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: he set the record in ninety five, so he was

647
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: just trying to keep it intact and extend it. But again,

648
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: what year was it. I gotta look, I believe I

649
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: thought it was ninety seven. Was that might you might

650
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, you might be right, but ninety seven are

651
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: like the same to me. You know, the streak was

652
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: still very much intact, though, is what I'm saying. Then

653
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,959
Speaker 1: he was trying to you know, he kept it going

654
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: five hundred games longer after breaking Luke Garrett's mark, So

655
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: it was still a big deal at that point. But again,

656
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of things would add to

657
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: have occurred for that to transpire. All right, So as

658
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: far is, the Ravens are concerned, and we've kept you

659
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: a long time here, Jerry. But what a game that was?

660
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: Uh look, yeah, well the last Ravens game very impressive. Now,

661
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. I did several rants, several Mallard monologues slamming

662
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson back in the day, and he made me

663
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: look like a total donkey when he had the m

664
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Speaker 1: v P, the breakout, amazing, all everything, the video game

665
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: glitch here for the Ravens. But I have noticed here

666
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: this season quietly, Lamar, not exactly lighting the world on

667
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: fire here, Jerry, what's going on with your guy, Lamar Jackson.

668
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: You're right, he's regressed. I think you pointed it out

669
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: after the Thursday night debacle in Miami. The last three

670
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: games have been underwhelming, and then we were supposed to

671
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: speak to him the other day and for the third

672
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: time this year on a Wednesday, he's missed his session

673
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: because he was ill, and that's kind of peculiar. The

674
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: coach came out and said, it's not COVID. We don't

675
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: know if he's had the shot or not, because it's

676
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: something he keeps secretive. And I'm tired of asking about it.

677
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: And I know you're tired of people asking athletes about

678
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: it yourself, even though that's what I like to do,

679
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: is prod and probe. But the fact that he lost

680
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: his top two running backs, a lot of his offensive

681
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: line is banged up. Yeah, injuries are part of football.

682
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: The Ravens have as many as any team in the NFL,

683
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: but it's really hurt him. He's been sacked twenty seven

684
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: times already this year. Ben. That's five more times and

685
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: all of last year combined. And I think maybe he's

686
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: not ill. I just think they're trying to give him

687
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: an extra day off. He's taken up beating, and the

688
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: Ravens are going to continue to run this guy until

689
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: they try and get to a super Bowl. And I

690
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: really wonder what type of money they're gonna offer him,

691
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: if a substantial contract at all. I just think they're

692
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: waiting until the very last second to try and have

693
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: to pay this guy and see what they can get

694
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: out of him physically and running the football. But when

695
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: he's carrying the ball twenty times a game, that's for

696
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: a running back, not a quarterback. Is he gonna get

697
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: paid here? Is there a chance that the Ravens don't

698
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: give him the contract, that they say, hey, you're too

699
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: injury prone and we can't we can't trust that you're

700
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: gonna be effective and we're gonna get we can't give

701
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: you all this guaranteed money? Is there? Everyone? Everyone seems

702
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: sold that he's going to get paid. Yet his mother

703
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: is his agent. He doesn't have anyone reputable handling him.

704
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: With no disrespect to his mother, but she hasn't done

705
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: this for a living like people you know out there

706
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: that do do it for a you know seven day

707
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: a week living and he doesn't have any major endorsements

708
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: either that I won the m v P a couple

709
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: of years ago. He's not appearing on commercials like homes

710
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: and Rogers and Baker Mayfield. So a lot of his

711
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: money is being made by selling apparel and other little

712
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: things that he's doing. But for me, he's blown millions

713
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: of dollars and endorsement money, and again it's still working

714
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: off his rookie deal. Yeah, it's pretty pretty well now.

715
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: You're you're very well known on our show. Your your

716
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: relationship with John Harbaugh, your repartee with John Harbaugh. Does

717
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: he like you or not like you? I think he

718
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: does like you. I think he genuinely likes you and

719
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: also at the same time hates you based on how

720
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: the interaction goes. What I've seen on some of these

721
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: Raven News conferences when I watched them online, Jerry, where

722
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: are you at with John Harbaugh? The coach? Long time

723
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: coach at the rating. John Harbaugh has been there forever.

724
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: My goodness. I thought he was gonna leave a couple

725
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: of years ago when they had that rough patch. I

726
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: don't think he's going there. I don't think he's going anyway.

727
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be there for the rest of

728
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: his life. But you and Hardball, where are you at?

729
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: You two? I think you nailed it pretty accurately. We

730
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: have a tremendous relationship. But at times he does hate me,

731
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: especially when I'm asking a question that he knows is

732
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: going to be probing, that he knows is going to

733
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: rub him the wrong way. But I have his phone number.

734
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: He and I text back and forth, and sometimes he

735
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: doesn't mind when I stirred up to be honest with few.

736
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: I think he respects the fact that, you know, unlike

737
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people in our business, especially around here,

738
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: they'll take shots at the Ravens or the Orioles and

739
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: never show their face at the ballpark or the locker room.

740
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm out there two or three times a week now.

741
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: One of the reasons, ad Midaly is the Ravens are

742
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: giving out free COVID tests, So every Wednesday I go

743
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: there just to get tests tested and make sure I

744
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: test negative. They also give out some very good food

745
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: on Wednesdays, so that's why I go out there on Wednesdays.

746
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: But I'm out there on Monday's peppering him at his

747
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: press conference. I don't even bother asking him questions after

748
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: the football game anymore, Ben, because they always say, I

749
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: have to look at the proverbial tape. And that's why

750
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: I wait until Monday and say, now that you've looked

751
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: at your tape and seeing how bad your team looked

752
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: on Sunday, maybe you can comment on this aspect. Now

753
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 1: does he pull the old Well, we're ready to move on.

754
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: Now that's in the past. We're not gonna look. No, no, no,

755
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: we don't turn the page on Monday's. We don't turn

756
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: the page on Mondays. I remind him of that. Okay,

757
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: you can turn the page on Wednesday, but not the

758
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: day after, two days after the game. Now, when you

759
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: say they have good food the Ravens, what are we

760
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: looking at? Give me a kind of an idea. Here's

761
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: a media freeloader myself. Over the years, I enjoy a

762
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: good meal. I know you have gone to the legendary

763
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: horse race there in Baltimore and then the Preakness. You've

764
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: told me you you've gone just for the foods occasionally

765
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: that it's that good. Well, that's a catered event. Then

766
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: that is a catered event. What the Ravens do is

767
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: every Wednesday, they will bring in an outside establishment for food.

768
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 1: Yesterday it was a local pizza chain. We had all

769
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: sorts of cow zones, uh, buffalo chicken. I went for

770
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: the meat lovers. Instead of taking one, I take two.

771
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: I live about ten minutes away from the complex. I

772
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: could bring ice cream home from the complex and it

773
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't melt, so I make sure I get my allotment

774
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: and get on out of there. But it rotates. It's

775
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: pizza one week, it subs the next week barbecue, so

776
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: there's a rotation that's going. In fact, I've been taking

777
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: pictures every week and at the end of the year

778
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: I'll make a montage and credit some of the Ravens

779
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: p R. Because they keep reminding me they're paying for

780
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: the food. It's not part of a trade deal. And

781
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: then I remind them they're worth about three billion dollars,

782
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: so stop complaining. Yeah, well that's good. That's good to hear.

783
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: The Ravens are taking care of you guys. I know

784
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: in l A at the Ram Games at so Fi Stadium,

785
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: which is amazing. It's a it's a palace that place.

786
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: The Rams better food than the Chargers, even though it's

787
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: the same stadium, the same setup in the press box

788
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: and all that on game day, better spread of food

789
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: for the l A Rams and the l A Chargers.

790
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: So and the Stan Crockie Stan Crocki has got more

791
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: money than that Spanos family, right, Yeah, Well, the charge

792
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: is probably upset with the media because they don't get

793
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: the same attention the Rams get and all that. But

794
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: you're right they I always that was trade. I always

795
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: thought it was part of the deal, and they just too.

796
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: You know, you know who may have the best pre

797
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: games set up in the NFL in terms of food

798
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: and halftime? Who's that? That would be the Tampa Bay

799
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: Buccaneers because they have a omelet spread in the morning,

800
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: um where you can order your own omelet. They have

801
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: an omelet bar going before the game. Then at halftime

802
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: that turns into like if you want bananas, foster or

803
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: something else off the frying pan, and then they add

804
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: in all sorts of candy bars. I mean, you know,

805
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: there's a pile of Snickers, a pile of heath Bars,

806
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: three musketeers, you go down the line. So they really

807
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: spoiled the media down in Tampa. And this was pre

808
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: Tom Brady Nice. I've not been to a Buccaneers game.

809
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: I'll have to have to check that out. All right, Sports,

810
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: how can people follow you on Twitter? How can they

811
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: hear you on your radio show? Promote? Promote? Promote? All Right?

812
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: On Twitter? Are at Sports with Coleman. Instagram it is

813
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: J cole five five four or five J colet and

814
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: the Facebook page Sports with Coleman. Pretty easy to remember.

815
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm on the radio typically six to ten at nights.

816
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: Used to do Morning Drive. Asked for out of that.

817
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: The reason being is because I think you've talked about this.

818
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: You know, work in the morning drive takes years off

819
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: your life. Wasn't really good for my mental health. The

820
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: days were getting shorter. Plus I was working with two

821
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: other people. Now I have my own show just like you,

822
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: and I don't have the interruptions that I had to

823
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: deal with. Plus I get to set the agenda from

824
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: my show. So I'm on six to ten. When there

825
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: isn't Maryland basketball, when the Orioles aren't playing, and when

826
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: there isn't Monday or Thursday night football, That's what I'll

827
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: be on. So in essence, I'm on two or three

828
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: times a week. It's a great gig and occasionally I

829
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: even make an appearance like I did the other night.

830
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: I make an appearance with The Great Sports with Coleman.

831
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: But you're right morning radio and I've I've done this

832
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: ramp many times. I did morning updates for a brief

833
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: period of my career and I could not figure it out.

834
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: I'm not a morning person and I tried to stay

835
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: up all night. That didn't work, and the hours were

836
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: just to me, they were worse than working overnights. People.

837
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: A lot of people complain. I'll run into people, how

838
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: do you work the overnight? So I'm like, compared to

839
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: morning drive. The only thing that sucks about is you

840
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: don't get paid doing night radio or overnight radio. You

841
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: don't get paid anywhere near what you get paid typically

842
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: in the mornings. But uh, the quality of life is

843
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: better anyway. Jerry, thank you so much, appreciate it. We'll

844
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: have you on again and have a wonderful Thanksgiving. Thank you,

845
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving to you and the listeners out there. I

846
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 1: enjoy the radio show as much as a podcast. Thanks

847
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: for having me