1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: What is the biggest failure right now of the Biden regime? 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: A lot of answers you could throw out there, but 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: I think a strong one, an answer that would be 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: tough to be would be the border. The border is 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: wide open. It is a mess. People who have been 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: working on border issues and border security for years, for 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: decades even are saying this is the most lawless and 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: the most wide open they have ever seen it. More 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: than sixty sixty two percent in the Washington Post ABC 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 2: News poll disapprove of Biden on the border as of 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: this weekend. So there's a recognition that he's doing a 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: really poor job. Remember, this is a federal responsibility. The 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: federal government is supposed to be handling this, supposed to 16 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: be doing this, and they're effectively derelict in their duty. 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: And if you want to get a sense of how 18 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: bad it has gotten, Fox News is Bill Hemmer had 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: this breaking news on eleven thousand illegal immigrant encounters in 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: twenty four hours. 21 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: Play Cliff one. 22 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,639 Speaker 3: We're getting breaking news from the border, customs and Border 23 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 3: Patrol sources telling Fox News they've recorded eleven thousand encounters 24 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: in the past twenty four hours. They say it's the 25 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: single highest day in recent memory in that town of 26 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: Eagle Pass in Texas alone. Eagle Pass saw more than 27 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: four thousand this weekend. A lot of these are live 28 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 3: images now that we've been watching throughout the morning. 29 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: It's not ebbing. In case you're wondering on that point. 30 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: Eleven thousand play the single highest day in recent memory. 31 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: So we're setting records here at the board, or we're 32 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: seeing numbers that are astonishing when you just think about 33 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: that's in one day, you know, thirty days in a month. 34 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: You start to do the math, you recognize what the 35 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: inflow of illegals is going to look like. And you know, 36 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: the Biden administration, I think at this point, is getting 37 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: closer and closer to the recognition that they got to. 38 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: Do something about this. You might have seen this there. 39 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: Mexico, this is on This is CNN yesterday, makes agreement 40 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: with US to deport migrants from its border cities. As 41 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 2: one mayor warns his city is at the breaking point. 42 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: So Mexico says that they will deport migrants from border 43 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: cities to home countries and take several actions to deter migrants. 44 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: I mean they're hoping to clay depressurize the situation in 45 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: northern Mexican cities. I think this is so interesting for 46 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: everyone to note that the flow, it's like what we 47 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: see crossing every day, doesn't even take into account how 48 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: many people are waiting for the right time to cross, 49 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: how many are on their way currently to get to 50 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: the border to cross that the flood is ongoing, it 51 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: is constant, and it is only going to increase. 52 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 4: There's a video right now that's going viral buck that's 53 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 4: been posted in the last fifteen minutes or so. Illegals 54 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 4: crossing from Mexico have put a Venezuela flag on a 55 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 4: Texas island I'm reading from Christian Collins, in the middle 56 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 4: of the river in Eagle Pass, Texas. Then now the 57 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 4: Texas Border Patrol went and took down the flag. But 58 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 4: you can watch and see this huge Venezuela flag that 59 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 4: is flying in the middle of the river on the 60 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 4: Texas side of the border. According to according to this 61 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 4: an Eagle Pass, Texas, four and seventy one thousand Venezuelans. 62 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 4: Was it Friday when this officially became the news that 63 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 4: Joe Biden said, you can all go get jobs now. 64 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 4: I guarantee you, and I've already seen the reporting on it. 65 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 4: What happens in Venezuela. Huge percentages of people that are 66 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 4: left behind in Venezuela get notified instantaneously that now you 67 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,119 Speaker 4: can go to the United States and immediately get a job. 68 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: What do you think people in Venezuela are gonna do. 69 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 4: Pretend that you could make forty times as much money 70 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 4: as you currently make. And if you just were willing 71 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 4: to make a trip to go to a new country, 72 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 4: how many of you out there listening to us right 73 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 4: now would be willing to take a long, arduous journey 74 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 4: to make forty times as much money as you do 75 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 4: right now? I bet buck a monster percentage of our listeners. 76 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: And when Joe. 77 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 4: Biden said all of you guys can go get jobs, 78 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 4: just guaranteed, and I'm not exaggerating here, he just guaranteed 79 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 4: that millions, millions more Venezuelans I believe, will leave their socialist, 80 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 4: torn apart country and begin the trip to the United 81 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 4: States because they see what's happening with those four hundred 82 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 4: and seventy thousand. 83 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: And you don't think that they're. 84 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 4: Gonna be people say, well, you had to be here 85 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 4: before July thirty first one. Do you not think they're 86 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 4: going to extend this again when there's even more illegals. 87 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 4: The incentive structures are so clear. We have a wide 88 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 4: open southern border. This by itself, Buck, in my opinion, 89 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 4: is enough to impeach Joe Biden. When you're talking about 90 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 4: I think we're approaching now seven million illegals that we 91 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 4: know have that we know of have entered the country 92 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 4: since Joe Biden became president. I really don't think we've 93 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 4: seen anything yet. I think these numbers are going to 94 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 4: continue to get worse and worse, because effectively, what Joe 95 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 4: Biden is saying is, come on up here, we want 96 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 4: you to be here. We're changing the law to ensure 97 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 4: that you can be taken care of once you get here. 98 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: I mean, the faithless execution of his responsibility to uphold 99 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: and defend the Constitution and the laws of this land, 100 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: and specifically the immigration laws of this land, is a 101 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: very real consideration. 102 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: At this point. 103 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: We know that Democrats will certainly not go along with 104 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: any impeachment of Biden based upon what's happening at the border. 105 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: But the more we look into this, the more we 106 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 2: see this, Clay, I don't think that it's a tenable 107 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: situation for them going into an election to have it 108 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: as wide open as. 109 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: It currently is. 110 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: You know, I don't think it's really possible for Democrats 111 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: to think that they're going to be in a strong position. Remember, 112 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: it's not just about Biden. It will affect the Democrat 113 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: Party more broadly. Now we're talking about down ticket responsibility. Yes, 114 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: it's the federal government, it's the executive branch that has first, 115 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: you know, the first line of or the buck stops 116 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 2: with them in terms of responsibility. But there are other 117 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: Democrats who, based upon their positions on this and how 118 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: they speak about the immigration issue, I think could find 119 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: themselves in a degree of political trouble. And I think 120 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: that this is the most important issue in the country 121 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: in many ways right now, because it also shows the 122 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: degree to which the regime, the establishment is willing to 123 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: ignore certain laws. I mean, this immigration law just doesn't 124 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: really count anymore. They don't have the will, they don't 125 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: have the interest to enforce the laws. 126 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: That are on the books about immigration. You start to say, when. 127 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: They're systematically picking and choosing what statutes apply. You know, 128 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: it's not oh, you know in this case extraordinary circumstance 129 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: or you know, in the interest of justice, we're going 130 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: to have this attitude. It's just now we're just not 131 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,239 Speaker 2: going to enforce this law or these category of law. 132 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: What are people supposed to take from that? I mean, 133 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: how are we supposed to view the rule of all 134 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: in the country more broadly? Buck how many people do 135 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: you think are going to claim to be Venezuelan, Like 136 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: if you had come in. I mean again, think about 137 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: incentive structures. Think about what you would do in order 138 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: to make the best living that you could if you 139 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: knew that Venezuelan immigrants were being illegals, were being treated 140 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: differently than somebody from Honduras or somebody from Haiti or 141 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: wherever else it might be. We got people crossing from 142 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty different countries. 143 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 4: I guarantee you that a huge number of people from 144 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 4: other countries are also going to pretend that they are Venezuelan. 145 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 4: And do we have the ability and the wherewithal to 146 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 4: be able to distinguish where all these illegals are coming from? 147 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: I doubt it. 148 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 4: And so you're going to end up with even more 149 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 4: incentive structure that is going out not just to Venezuelans. 150 00:08:58,760 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: And again, I think there. 151 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 4: Will be millions, millions more Venezuelans who now will make 152 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 4: the track to the United States, never to leave. It's 153 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 4: important to slam this home Mexico. It used to be 154 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 4: that people went back and forth across the border, so 155 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 4: there would be a work season in the United States. 156 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 4: Maybe there's crops that need to be harvested. Whatever it is, 157 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 4: jobs pay better. People cross into the United States, they work, 158 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 4: then they return home. If you come here from Venezuela, 159 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 4: you are never going home. By and large, you are 160 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 4: here for life, because are you going to risk your 161 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 4: ability to get back into the country by leaving. No, 162 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 4: it's not like you can easily walk across the border 163 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 4: or travel back and forth in an easy fashion like 164 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 4: you could historically to Mexico. These people are here forever, 165 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 4: and the seven million that have come in are here, 166 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 4: and they're gonna have kids. 167 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: Huge numbers of them are gonna have kids. 168 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: And you know, this notion that we need migrants, illegal 169 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: immigrants to shore up the social safety net in this country, 170 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 2: you're talking about overwhelmingly and now this is going beyond 171 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: just the surgeon in Venezuelan migrants to just people showing 172 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: up at the border. You're talking about people who have 173 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: not been vetted, nor have been put through any kind 174 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: of a merit based immigration process. So you're gonna have 175 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: a lot of people who speak little or no English, 176 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: a lot of people with little or really almost no 177 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: formal education, and there's going to be a lot of 178 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: social services, a lot of expense to the taxpayer that 179 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: these individuals will incur, which is exactly what we're seeing 180 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: in New York, which is exactly what we're seeing in 181 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 2: Chicago and other cities where you have a lot of 182 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: these Microsoft I know they'll say, oh, well, this is 183 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: just part of the transition period. That's not really true. 184 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: You're gonna have to have a lot of these migrants 185 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: going to be dependent on medicaid if they can get 186 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: it in their states. They're going to be dependent on 187 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: effectively the welfare state in some capacity or another. 188 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: In the kids in school. You've talked about this in 189 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: New York City, they don't have to get the COVID shot. Yeah. 190 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 2: So you start to see this and you say, well, 191 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: hold on a second, is there a number I mean 192 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: you can take this down to the most baseline analysis 193 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: and conversation. Is there a number of migrants that is 194 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: just too much that Democrats would say? You know what, 195 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: you guys are right, We're really we've kicked the doors 196 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: far too wide open on this one. We've got a 197 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 2: real we've got a real problem here. Ten million, fifteen million, 198 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 2: I mean new I'm not talking about the ones already 199 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: in the country, right. 200 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: You know. And and if the answer is no. 201 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: There's no number that's too much, they should say that 202 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: out loud. If the answer is yes, there is a 203 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: number that's too high, they should be willing to tell us. Okay, well, 204 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 2: why what's the. 205 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: Downside is here's a good question for you, Buck. 206 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 4: Is there any other country in the world that has 207 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 4: thirty million, because I think that's probably close to the 208 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 4: number illegals live in their country right now. Nope, I 209 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 4: find it hard to believe. I don't think there's any 210 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 4: And so for everybody out there to think about, why 211 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 4: has every other country in the world decided that they 212 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 4: don't want what's happening in the United States to happen there. 213 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 4: This is a big story in Italy, in France, many 214 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 4: different European countries where people can try to get from 215 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 4: Africa to these Africa and the Middle East to these 216 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 4: Middle Eastern to these European countries. To pinprick of the 217 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 4: number that we're dealing with here. 218 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I've I've been to the Zatri refugee camp 219 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: in Jordan along the Jordan Syria border from when the 220 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 2: you know, Syrian war was raging, and it was about 221 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand, maybe one hundred and fifteen thousand people 222 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 2: living in that camp and there were concerns about where 223 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: they could go, the resources, the strain on Jordan, the 224 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 2: strain on neighboring countries. You know, who's going to take 225 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: them in. We've taken in orders of magnitude more people. Yeah, 226 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: we've taken I mean, and I shouldn't say taken in. 227 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: They've just showed up. Actually, they've just said, you know, 228 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: we're here. We're getting asylums. So this is going to 229 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: continue to be a massive problem. And the only thing 230 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: the Democrats are going to do is lie to you 231 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 2: about wanting to solve it and try to obscure the 232 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 2: numbers and make it seem like they're doing something to 233 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 2: stop it, because they they have no other option. I mean, 234 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: they can't tell the American people that the border is 235 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: open because that's what we want. Because a majority there 236 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: are I think twenty or thirty percent of the country 237 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: does want that, but a majority of the American people, 238 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 2: solid majority of the American people do not want that. 239 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 4: Putting it in context, buck the single worst approval ratings 240 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 4: for Joe Biden on any issue. 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There's been a lot of 268 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 4: strikes going on this year. AOC went on for an 269 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 4: interview and she was asked, given all of your commentary 270 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 4: in favor of. 271 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: The unions, why do you drive a Tesla. Listen. 272 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 6: You were quoted back in July saying you look forward 273 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 6: to buying a union made electric vehicle, but you currently 274 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 6: have a non union made Tesla. UAW already makes some 275 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 6: electric vehicles, so Why wasn't that. Is it a problem 276 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 6: with the quality, Is it a problem with the style? 277 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: Is the market just not there? 278 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 7: Now? 279 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 8: Our car was purchased during the pandemic, when travel before 280 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 8: a vaccine had come out, So travel between New York 281 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 8: and Washington, the safest way that we had determined was 282 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 8: an EV but that was prior to some of the 283 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 8: new models coming out on the market that had the 284 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 8: range available. But we're actually looking into trading in our 285 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 8: car now, so we're looking into it and hopefully we 286 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 8: will soon. 287 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: Wait, Okay, that's really funny, Buck. What what is she even? 288 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: What does she say? 289 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: What's the claim that the pandemic she bought a Tesla 290 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: because during the pandemic, I like, explain to me. 291 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: I think I think her logic that she's trying to argue. 292 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 4: First of all, I love the the default, well it 293 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 4: was during COVID, and like as if that explains anything. 294 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 4: I think what she's trying to argue is that the 295 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 4: Tesla had greater mileage ability. So given the fact she's 296 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 4: saying that they drive between New York and Washington d C. 297 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 4: I don't know, what is that, like a four and 298 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 4: a half hour drive. I've made that drive several times. 299 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 4: I just can't remember off the top of my head, 300 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 4: and obviously traffic factors, and I think it's a four 301 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: and a half or five hour drive if I'm not mistaken. 302 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: Is that about right New York City to d C? Yeah? 303 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: About four hours? Yeah. 304 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 4: So I think she's trying to argue that the Tesla 305 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 4: had greater charging distance and so they were able to 306 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 4: go back and forth better than with other electric vehicles. 307 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 4: But that is pretty funny. I also would imagine that 308 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 4: Elon takes some enjoyment in the fact that, given how 309 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 4: much she has come after him, that she also went 310 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 4: and bought a She went and bought a Tesla, but 311 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 4: just to blame COVID is default. 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Heather McDonald's joins us now. 347 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: She writes over at City Journalist at the Manhattan Institute. 348 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 2: She's an author author of The War on Cops. I 349 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 2: want to talk to her about her latest piece on 350 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: COVID today. 351 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: Heather, thanks for being here. 352 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 9: With us, great, Thank you so much for having me 353 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 9: on claim book. 354 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: So Rational Fears of the Irrational is your piece? This 355 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: is interesting to me. So now the media takes the 356 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 2: position that anybody who is concerned that they meaning this 357 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: sort of fauchyite apparatus may overreact. 358 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: They're the overreactors. 359 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 9: The hypocrisy is absolutely stunning. The New York Times has 360 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 9: now developed its latest meme to try and show that 361 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 9: at least half the country is a bunch of right 362 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 9: wing conspiracy theorist kooks by saying, if you're noticing that 363 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 9: Biden is spending six hundred million to generate yet more 364 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 9: test free tests to distribute, if you're noticing the hospit 365 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 9: biddles and elementary schools are putting back mask mandates. If 366 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 9: you're concerned that we're going to go through yet again 367 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 9: the worst policy failure in this nation's history, you're just crazy, because, 368 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 9: of course the mainstream left wing establishment always follow the science, when, 369 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 9: of course, what this nation went through for nearly three 370 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 9: years was a betrayal of rational thinking, a betrayal of 371 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 9: sensible cost benefit analysis, risk risk analysis, hatred of the 372 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 9: free market system, preference for government transfer payments. And if 373 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 9: you're fearing that as the election nears, we're going to 374 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 9: go back to vote by mail, automatic eligibility drop off boxes, 375 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 9: you are absolutely the most rational people among. 376 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 4: Us, Heather, What does it say about American democracy that 377 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 4: there were no consequences for Democrats for the most part, 378 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 4: getting everything wrong on COVID. Almost no one lost their 379 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 4: jobs in positions of power. People lost their jobs who 380 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 4: refused to get the COVID shot and worked in the military, 381 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 4: or worked in our hospitals, or worked in our schools. 382 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: But what does it say that no one in. 383 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 4: A decision making process was punished at all by losing 384 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 4: a job. 385 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 9: Well, we haven't controlled the narrative yet. I'm worried that 386 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 9: who's going to write the history. We don't know yet, 387 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 9: and it could be that the left, who engaged in 388 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 9: this massive attack on childhood, on the economy, on the 389 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 9: people's ability to make a living, that they will write 390 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 9: the history, and they will be the ones who were 391 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 9: the same people, and those who criticized will be continuously 392 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 9: impugned as right wing nut cases that wanted to kill 393 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 9: off Grandma, as I was accused of doing, even by 394 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 9: somebody on the right. You're on Hazani when I very 395 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 9: early in March twenty twenty said, we are way over 396 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 9: reacting to this. So it's not necessarily a failure of 397 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 9: democracy because we don't yet know what the vast mulk 398 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 9: of opinion is. I mean, you're right, we did not 399 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 9: throw out. Eleven of the twelve pro lockdown governors were 400 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 9: re elected in the twenty twenty two elections. For me, 401 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 9: one of the most stunning things about this whole experience 402 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 9: was it was a litmus test or a Rorschach test 403 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 9: of the American mentality, which into which the feminist safety 404 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 9: ism that dominates campus culture has made very very large 405 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 9: inroads and people. You know, it'll be interesting. I think 406 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 9: there will be more resistance if we get another effort 407 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 9: at shutting down the economy and expanding government power and reach, 408 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 9: there will be more resistance. But I can guarantee you, 409 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 9: of course, and you know this, there will still be 410 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 9: a lot of people who dutifully put put the masks 411 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 9: back on, put them back on their children, UH vaccinate 412 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 9: their children, which is now being recommended by the CDC 413 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 9: for six month old That is a grotesque abuse of power. 414 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 9: So who would have thought that America's divisions that are 415 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 9: so profound now that a certain percentage of the country 416 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 9: does not believe that there are biological men and women 417 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 9: and that and that biology matters. Who would have thought 418 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 9: I didn't see it coming that our divisions even extend 419 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 9: to the reaction to a hyper hyped so called pandemic, 420 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 9: that we differ even in our reactions to public health 421 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 9: advice UH and and to mandates to turn our lives 422 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 9: upside down and destroy learning in our children. 423 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 2: I wanted you to react, Heather, with with all you 424 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 2: just said, and Clay and I are are trying not 425 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: to start clapping in the middle of what you're saying, 426 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 2: because we agree so wholeheartedly with your sense of what's 427 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: gone on here with COVID doctor Fauci. However, Heather, I 428 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 2: don't think he. 429 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: Would agree with you. 430 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: And here he was over the weekend saying that he 431 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 2: is a victim of mean people on the right and 432 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 2: that he has saved millions of lives. 433 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: Play two. 434 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 5: What happens is that if you become the symbol of 435 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 5: the object of people's anger, even people who know nothing 436 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 5: about you know the fact that in my career I've 437 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 5: been involved in saving literally millions of lives, that people 438 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 5: are hello, you know, forget that is that I become 439 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 5: that symbol. 440 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: And then when. 441 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 7: They say something like that, you get somebody who doesn't 442 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 7: know anything at all about me, who's crazy says, wow, 443 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 7: I'm going to go get that person, or that person 444 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 7: should be killed, or that person should be prosecuted. And 445 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 7: that's the reason why I have to have security. 446 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: I mean, to me, he's delusional, Heather, Like clinically. 447 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 9: You know, I get criticized of playing the victim card 448 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 9: if I merely say in a dispassionate, fact based way 449 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 9: that yes, I've been shut down here and there without 450 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 9: any kind of maudlin self pity. So I'm reluctant to 451 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 9: accuse anybody else of playing a victim, because that can 452 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 9: be too fast an accusation. But it's hard to resist 453 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 9: saying that Fauci is here playing the victim. I mean, 454 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 9: it's absurd. He said in March and February of twenty 455 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 9: twenty that lockdowns do not work, and he flipped around 456 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 9: and then was complete cheerleader for these absolutely destructive, unnecessary lockdowns. 457 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 9: The fact of the matter is is that we now 458 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 9: have the data. We had it very early on, but 459 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 9: we really have it now that countries that had minimal lockdowns, 460 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 9: like Sweden, had lower excess death rates than countries with 461 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 9: severe lockdowns. The lockdowns killed people as well as COVID. 462 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 9: It killed people through lack of hospital care, of suicide, 463 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 9: drug use. He's just wrong. Our response, the mainstream response 464 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 9: in the United States, was not pro health. We knew 465 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 9: early on in March twenty twenty. We knew everything that 466 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 9: we needed to know about COVID in the data that 467 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 9: was coming out of Italy, which was that the average 468 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 9: age of people dying of COVID was eighty and the 469 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 9: average number of comorbidities was three. This was not a 470 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 9: disease that was going to affect the young, the healthy, 471 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 9: and instead We encouraged people to lock themselves up in 472 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 9: their rooms, bake banana bread, eat endlessly in front of 473 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 9: the TV, and put on another ten twenty thirty pounds 474 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 9: to their already excessly fat bodies, when obesity was the 475 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 9: biggest predictor of getting severe consequences from COVID, of dying 476 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 9: from COVID. Everything about this was completely backwards. The idea 477 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 9: that we were telling people don't go outside to exercise. 478 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 9: I you know, I will never get over being reprimanded 479 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 9: in Central Park, you know, race walking or running by 480 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 9: people who were the cyclists going around wearing masks. You know, 481 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 9: how dare you not wear a mask? You're going to 482 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 9: kill me? In Central Park? You could not infect anybody outdoors, 483 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 9: and yet our public health authorities were cheering on the 484 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 9: destruction of the possibility of healthy outdoor exercise. FAUCI was 485 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 9: part of that. And as you say, if there was, 486 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 9: if there was accountability based on the facts rather than 487 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 9: on people's pre existing political allegiances, their heads would roll. 488 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 9: We would say, what the hell has gone on to 489 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 9: our public health establishment? It has become deeply, deeply politicized 490 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 9: and will continue to be so. Of course, because now 491 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 9: we have the whole gender and race ideology that has 492 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 9: taken over our medical schools. So whether it's too late 493 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 9: now to restore sane in fact based medicine, I don't know, 494 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 9: but we have to keep putting out the facts. You 495 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 9: know that the millions also, let me just say this, 496 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 9: but that the millions of alleged deaths that he's talking about. 497 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 9: We don't have a clue how many people actually died 498 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 9: from COVID because early on in the pandemic, the CDC 499 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 9: decided to count deaths with COVID as deaths from COVID. 500 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 9: So if you've been hit by car and you've lost 501 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 9: you know, the use of your lungs in your heart, 502 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 9: and they test you when you come into the hospital 503 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 9: and you're testing positive for COVID, but in fact you 504 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 9: die from the crushing of of your neurological system, you 505 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 9: will be counted as a death from COVID. So they 506 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 9: did everything they could to get these numbers up. I 507 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 9: don't know if we can go back retroactively and find 508 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 9: out how many were actually deaths from COVID, but right 509 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 9: now we know for sure that we have way overestimated 510 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 9: the deaths from COVID. 511 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 4: Heather, I don't hear. You've done a lot of really 512 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 4: good work on a variety of fronts. One of them 513 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 4: has been the disaster that is defund the police. 514 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 2: It seems to me, because you're talking about how this 515 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: will play historically, that almost no one now is arguing 516 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: in favor of defund the police, and in fact, lots 517 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: of people who did argue in favor of it are 518 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: now saying, oh, I never said that. What do we 519 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 2: think about the data on the number of people that 520 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 2: have died unnecessarily by demonizing police. 521 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 9: Well, it's huge. I mean that you can estimate you 522 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 9: can look at what the homicide rates were pre George 523 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 9: Floyd race riots, and we know that twenty nine percent 524 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 9: increase in homicide in twenty twenty following the George Floyd 525 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 9: race riots. That translates to thousands more black lives that 526 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 9: were taken. Blacks died of homicide at about thirty three 527 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 9: times higher the rate, and they continue to die at 528 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 9: a much higher rate now. But you know, the explanation 529 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 9: for that, of course from the left, is that, well, 530 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 9: it was the pandemic that killed blacks, meaning that it 531 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 9: was the pandemic which caused people to go start shooting 532 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 9: in this barbaric way, in these drive by shootings, that 533 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 9: took such a big toll in gun violence on blacks. 534 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 9: Blacks between the ages of ten and twenty four die 535 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 9: of gun homicide in the post George Floyd era at 536 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 9: twenty four times the rate of whites in that same 537 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 9: age cohort. But we're supposed to believe that, oh, somebody 538 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 9: was like unable to put food on the table during 539 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 9: COVID and that made him go out and grab a 540 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 9: gun and start shooting at sixteen year olds. I'm sorry, 541 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 9: that is not the explanation. The explanation is the delegitimation 542 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 9: of the police, which Biden made his theme while running 543 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 9: for office, and he has continued his theme. He's continued 544 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 9: to say that black parents are right to fear that 545 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 9: their children will be killed by a police officer or 546 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,479 Speaker 9: by a white supremacist every time they step outside. That 547 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 9: is an utter fiction. Blacks are dying of gun homicide 548 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 9: at astronomical rates being killed by other blacks. So I'm 549 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 9: not convinced. I know, I refuse to give in to 550 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 9: any kind of optimism. It's true that there's I mean, 551 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 9: I haven't heard a lot of those voices, frankly Buck 552 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 9: that are actually saying we made a mistake. I also 553 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 9: think that conservatives were wrong to seize too much on 554 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 9: the actual defund language, because there weren't that many politicians 555 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 9: outside of Minneapolis, Oakland, you know, San Francisco, LA That 556 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 9: were actually calling to defund. But what they were doing, 557 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 9: and this is what was critical, is perpetuating the phony 558 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 9: all narrative of systemic police racism. And it was that 559 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 9: assault to morale which has led to the ongoing recruitment crisis, 560 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 9: the retirement crisis. Police departments across the country. They weren't 561 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 9: ever officially defunded, but they are way way down in 562 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 9: necessary manpower because everybody is said, to hell with this, 563 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 9: Why should I be in a job where from the 564 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 9: first day I step on that job, I'm going to 565 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 9: be deemed by the President of the United States no 566 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 9: less as an endemic racist. And that type of hatred, 567 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 9: that official hatred, has translated onto the streets. You had 568 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 9: an extreme rise in cop killings after the George Floyd 569 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 9: race riots. And again the reason for that is because 570 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 9: especially blacks make up about forty two percent of all 571 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 9: cop killers nationwide. They're way way over represented among cop killers, 572 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 9: and they have been told relentlessly that cops are their enemy. 573 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 9: Resistance is up. That's going to lead officer to use 574 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 9: their force, resulting in you know, negative viral videos going around. 575 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 9: So I'm not that convinced that we've turned this narrative around. 576 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald, author of The War on Cops and go 577 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 2: check out her latest at City Journal. Heather, thanks so much, 578 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: always good to have you here. 579 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: Thanks mate. 580 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: There's some speculation from those paying attention to events in Washington, 581 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: DC that our federal government may likely introduce a new 582 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 2: currency form, and a digital one at that. According to 583 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 2: former Wall Street insider and digital currency expert Ticket Towari, 584 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 2: the government might announce a mandatory national recall on the 585 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: US dollar, replacing it with a new digital version. 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Get it all on the Ihearts app or 596 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 4: wherever you get your podcasts. 597 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back in thanks to Heather McDonald. 598 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 4: Always fantastic in terms of our ability to deliver data 599 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 4: and break down stories. I think uniquely in a smart 600 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 4: and interesting way. Appreciate her coming on the show. Encourage 601 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 4: you to go subscribe to the podcast. Was at the 602 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 4: end of last hour, I think Buck, we were talking 603 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 4: about our esteem staff. Let us know that it is 604 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 4: national One Hit Wonder Day, and I suggested everybody Dance 605 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 4: Now by the C and C Music Factory as a 606 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 4: one hit wonder That particularly came to mine for me. 607 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,240 Speaker 4: VIP listener Paul said, I love listening to you guys. 608 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 4: It's a good start, but you have the worst taste 609 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 4: in music. Everybody dance now, You've got to be kidding me. 610 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 4: Sorry for your generation. 611 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: I mean it just it just escalates. So it's like, 612 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: I love you guys, but you're actually awful. 613 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 4: You have the worst days of music. Uh, and then 614 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,919 Speaker 4: it ends with I feel sorry for your generation exclamation point. 615 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 4: VIP listener Scott says that song is terrible triple exclamation 616 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 4: points all caps. American Pie. Does don McLean not have 617 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 4: any other famous songs? 618 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: Is that true? Oh? 619 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 4: That might be the answer. American Pie is an amazing 620 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 4: song that might be the best one hit wonder of 621 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 4: all time? 622 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: Who did? Who did? Come On? Eileen? Come On Eileen? 623 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 1: Is a great song. 624 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 2: I don't know that it's Dexys Midnight Runners definitely a 625 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 2: one hit wonder no one. I've never heard of anything 626 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 2: else they've done. I don't even know. I've never heard 627 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 2: of the band. Honestly, I think. 628 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 4: American Pie is one of the greatest American songs of 629 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 4: all time. 630 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: Ah are you kidding? Oh? I think American that song 631 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: is nearly false. I really do think. 632 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 4: I mean, I I didn't know that that was a 633 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,240 Speaker 4: one hit wonder, but that is an incredible song. 634 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 2: What kind of everybody loves? What is the most annoying 635 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 2: one hit wonder of all time? The Macharina solid choice. 636 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 2: I was gonna say that or who Let the Dogs Out? 637 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 2: Let the Dogs Out? It's like the music that was 638 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 2: made for sports, you know, amphitheater situations or whatever. 639 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, I see that because it is 640 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:37,959 Speaker 4: almost entirely for sports arenas. But the Macarna, I think 641 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 4: is my answerd. 642 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,479 Speaker 2: Who hit the final countdown song? 643 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: Who is That? Who is that? Yeah? 644 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 2: Your Europe after a Continent and Madison Square Garden. They 645 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 2: used to always play that one. The band is called Europe. 646 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 2: That is a weak band name, no doubt. 647 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: I will be back tomorrow, Eve of Debate two.