Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast.
Speaker 2: Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and Jetty and
Speaker 2: no he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 3: California took a look at two different bills to stop
Speaker 3: boys from playing in girls' sports particultably like at the
Speaker 3: high school level and that sort of thing. And they
Speaker 3: both got shot down yesterday. And we're going to talk
Speaker 3: to somebody who was there for the argument coming up
Speaker 3: later this hour.
Speaker 4: It's now more than an eighty twenty issue in America.
Speaker 4: The support for males in girls' sports is less than
Speaker 4: twenty percent.
Speaker 3: I don't get the politics of this, no kidding anyway.
Speaker 3: So I mentioned this last week and we never got
Speaker 3: around to it. I'm glad we are now, and I'm
Speaker 3: looking forward to Joe's reaction to this. So this is
Speaker 3: ezra Quine of The New York Times on Lex Friedman's
Speaker 3: podcast from a couple of weeks ago. And Lex Friedman
Speaker 3: is an interesting guy if you've never heard his podcast.
Speaker 3: First of all, they're all two to four hours long,
Speaker 3: and I don't know who listens to those whole things,
Speaker 3: But he has people on of all different kinds of
Speaker 3: political stripes and worldviews and stuff like that, and he
Speaker 3: just wants to hear what they think. And he opened
Speaker 3: with this great question for Ezra Kline of the New
Speaker 3: York Times, who, if you don't know his act, he
Speaker 3: is a columnist, writer, liberal, progressive, not a bomb chucker
Speaker 3: though that's just his I mean, he's a really smart
Speaker 3: he's an intellectual, but he's a progressive. And Lex had
Speaker 3: him on to say the first question was basically lay
Speaker 3: out the progressive point of view or the democrat point
Speaker 3: of view of the worldview. And I thought, Okay, this
Speaker 3: is fantastic. I'm going to hear this from a smart guy.
Speaker 3: And I thought, I am going to listen to this
Speaker 3: podcast in my earbuds as I was like doing laundry
Speaker 3: or something like that, and I thought, I am going to,
Speaker 3: like in a relaxed manner, listen to this, see if
Speaker 3: I can find any common ground, like fully understand you
Speaker 3: know where they're coming from, right, not the cable news version,
Speaker 3: but like the intellectual version of how they see the world.
Speaker 3: And I didn't make it more than like thirty seconds
Speaker 3: before I said out loud in my bedroom, Oh, you've
Speaker 3: got to be effing kidding me.
Speaker 2: So this is how it went.
Speaker 5: You can define the left in different ways. I think
Speaker 5: the left has a couple fundamental views. One is that
Speaker 5: life is unfair. We are born with different talents, We
Speaker 5: are born into different nations. Right, the luck of being
Speaker 5: born into America is very different than the luck of
Speaker 5: being born into Venezuela. We are born into different families.
Speaker 5: We have luck operating as an ominant presence across our
Speaker 5: entire lives, and as such, the people for whom it
Speaker 5: works out, well, we don't deserve all of that.
Speaker 2: We got lucky.
Speaker 5: I mean, we also worked hard, and we also had talent,
Speaker 5: and we also applied that talent. But at a very
Speaker 5: fundamental level, that we are sitting here is unfair, and
Speaker 5: that so many other people are in conditions that are
Speaker 5: much worse, much more precarious, much more exploited, is unfair.
Speaker 5: And one of the fundamental roles of government should not
Speaker 5: necessarily be to turn that unfairness into perfect equality, but
Speaker 5: to rectify that unfairness into a kind of universal dignity. Right,
Speaker 5: so people can have lives of flourishing. So I'd say
Speaker 5: that's one thing. He has a very low voice for
Speaker 5: a child. Yeah, I'll hold back for now. I see
Speaker 5: what you mean, though my eyes were wide.
Speaker 2: You don't deserve that.
Speaker 3: That's when I said in my bedroom, Oh, you gotta
Speaker 3: be effing king me.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Well, and I want to hear the next part, obviously,
Speaker 4: but he kind of denied his own purpose there at
Speaker 4: the end. And we're not trying to come up with
Speaker 4: some perfect equality.
Speaker 2: But yeah, let's hear a little more and then we
Speaker 2: can discuss The.
Speaker 5: Left is fundamentally more skeptical of capitalism and part of
Speaker 5: the unchecked forms of capitalism than the right. I think
Speaker 5: this is hard to talk about because what we call
Speaker 5: unchecked capitalism is nevertheless very much supported by government. So
Speaker 5: I think in a way you have both, Like markets
Speaker 5: are things that are enforced by government. Whether they are
Speaker 5: you know, how you set the rules of them is
Speaker 5: what ends up differing between the left and the right.
Speaker 5: But the left tends to be more worried about the
Speaker 5: fact that you could get rich building coal fired power
Speaker 5: plants belching pollution into the air, and you could get
Speaker 5: rich laying down solar panels, and the market doesn't know
Speaker 5: the difference between the two. And so there's a set
Speaker 5: of goals about regulating the unchecked potential of capitalism. That
Speaker 5: also relates to sort of exploitation of workers. There's very
Speaker 5: fundamental questions about how much people get paid, how much
Speaker 5: power they have. Again, the rectification of economic and other
Speaker 5: forms of power is very fundamental to the left.
Speaker 2: Okay, So.
Speaker 3: It reminded me, of course, when Obama said, you didn't
Speaker 3: build that, that attitude, and I thought, okay, as Ezra
Speaker 3: Kline just laying that out a little more clearly. I
Speaker 3: heard a podcast with this guy. He's got the most
Speaker 3: famous economics podcast in America. I can't remember what his
Speaker 3: name is, but anyway, and he's he leans left, but
Speaker 3: he his uh, his take on the whole. Okay, even
Speaker 3: if you've got a situation where where you like, in
Speaker 3: the most blatant example, it's not fair that this person,
Speaker 3: you know, they're born with a better brain, their parents
Speaker 3: got him a tutor, they had connections to get him
Speaker 3: into a better school, whatever it is versus someone else.
Speaker 4: How is the government going to weigh in.
Speaker 2: To fix it?
Speaker 4: He said? Even if I buy all the lack.
Speaker 3: Of fairness, in what sense could you structure a government.
Speaker 4: That's going to even that out? That doesn't do.
Speaker 2: More harm than good.
Speaker 4: Oh exactly that the last phrase is the key one.
Speaker 4: And it is interesting to me to hear somebody who's
Speaker 4: obviously fairly intelligent, like Ezra Kleine, be so narrow in
Speaker 4: his vision, so incredibly unwise to not recognize that if
Speaker 4: you empower somebody, I was going to summarize his creed
Speaker 4: with as the following, I'm so smart, I and people
Speaker 4: like me should be in charge of everything because we
Speaker 4: will make it good. But a guy who is reasonably
Speaker 4: intelligent to lack the wisdom to see that a government
Speaker 4: empowered to right all of these pick a un wrongs
Speaker 4: or equalize somehow or other, even if not a perfect equality,
Speaker 4: but like getting us halfway there, that government would be
Speaker 4: so awesome and not in the modern word like causing
Speaker 4: awe and horror, so powerful and monumentally huge. It would
Speaker 4: be terrifying. How do you miss that? As, Oh, no,
Speaker 4: we would just do the good things, not the bad stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, right, And then.
Speaker 3: The problem being that where do you draw the line
Speaker 3: between unfair advantages that people didn't earn and choices that
Speaker 3: you make. Because lots of people make really really bad
Speaker 3: choices in life. I've made bad choices in life. That
Speaker 3: damaged me a lot, and some people keep doing them.
Speaker 3: I don't dismiss the ideas. I haven't told my story
Speaker 3: about the uber driver I had the other day. Maybe
Speaker 3: I'll do that for the podcast today. But I was
Speaker 3: thinking in that trip, which was really sketchy, that this
Speaker 3: poor guy is never going to be able to do
Speaker 3: very well in life. So I got a better brain
Speaker 3: than he did. That is unfair, that's not his fault,
Speaker 3: it's not my credit. But then he got all the
Speaker 3: life choices that people make. And I've seen so many
Speaker 3: small people make horrible life choices. What is the government
Speaker 3: gonna do to even out results there?
Speaker 4: And I've known the proverbial c student. Oh yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 4: And I'm not gonna go with the old trope that
Speaker 4: but they're very straight smart and blah blah blah. No,
Speaker 4: I've known some people who aren't very bright, but they
Speaker 4: make good, sound moral decision after decision, and it benefited
Speaker 4: quite nicely from those decisions. Anyway, What makes a person, though,
Speaker 4: get in the morning and want to pursue the idea
Speaker 4: of that person has more than that person.
Speaker 2: We need to get them closer together.
Speaker 4: What is that?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: And the means that they use to pursue that goal
Speaker 4: or are often horrible from my point of view. I mean,
Speaker 4: if you have a charitable view of the world and
Speaker 4: you think I ought to do something to help those people,
Speaker 4: you have my full blessing until it becomes And what
Speaker 4: I am going to do is, at the point of
Speaker 4: the government's gun, take money from people and compel them
Speaker 4: to do these things. Because that's the opposite of generosity.
Speaker 4: That's that's that's you know, totalitarianism. I hate to even
Speaker 4: use the word fairness in any context in this because
Speaker 4: it's become such a cliche rhetorical cliche of the left,
Speaker 4: because people have an instinctive view of what fairness is
Speaker 4: from childhood on. That is, everything should be fair. That's
Speaker 4: at least the ideal. Whereas you know, being born with
Speaker 4: a better brain or a worse brain, or a taller,
Speaker 4: good looking or talented or whatever, that the difference among
Speaker 4: people is one hundred percent fair. It's a very definition
Speaker 4: of fairness. Nothing has been done by anybody to pervert
Speaker 4: the natural unfolding of it. Nobody cheated anybody, right.
Speaker 3: The Jefferson idea of just you go as far as
Speaker 3: your talent and effort will take you.
Speaker 4: Right exactly that it's there could be nothing more fair.
Speaker 4: Then you get dealt a hand in life, and then
Speaker 4: you've got to go from there with the help of
Speaker 4: the people around you and the people care about you,
Speaker 4: and the government protecting your rights. That's why the government exists,
Speaker 4: and off you go. Read Harrison Berger on the Great
Speaker 4: Kurt Vonna Gets Short Story. If you don't have a
Speaker 4: lot of time, read Thomas Sowell's Conflict Divisions if you
Speaker 4: have more about this sort of thing. But I hate
Speaker 4: and it breaks my heart that my daughter is autistic
Speaker 4: and life will always be extremely difficult for her.
Speaker 2: I hate that.
Speaker 4: I adore her, but I wouldn't use the word unfair
Speaker 4: to describe that.
Speaker 2: It just is.
Speaker 3: I got kicked off of a jury before I made it,
Speaker 3: the only time I've ever made it this far to
Speaker 3: like actually get into the courtroom and they start the
Speaker 3: law start asking me questions. And the question that got
Speaker 3: me kicked out was looking back to the starting point
Speaker 3: of your life where you've end up now, is it more? Uh,
Speaker 3: the circumstance you were born into are your life's choices.
Speaker 3: And I went with life's choices, and that got me kicked.
Speaker 2: Off the jury.
Speaker 3: That I think life's choice is unfair, unfair good vlunfair
Speaker 3: good vocal fry from Ezrak Klein. I don't know why
Speaker 3: socialism goes with vocal fry. I don't know why those
Speaker 3: two things go together, But I still think life choices
Speaker 3: have more to do with it than where you were born,
Speaker 3: who you were born to in brain power you have
Speaker 3: in terms of where you're gonna end ultimately end up.
Speaker 2: And he obviously does not believe that.
Speaker 3: And then even if you agree with as recline, you're
Speaker 3: still at the point of.
Speaker 2: How could the government fix that? Anyway?
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Speaker 4: So we're listening to Ezra Klein described, you know, progressivism
Speaker 4: and why he believes in it and what it is,
Speaker 4: and mentioned Thomas Soule's book Conflict of Visions, a very
Speaker 4: very short version of it. He thinks there are two
Speaker 4: sorts of people, the constrained vision of life and the
Speaker 4: unconstrained vision, and I'm going to get to a kind
Speaker 4: of a cool science y thing if we can fit
Speaker 4: it in. But Sol argues that the unconstrained vision relies
Speaker 4: heavily on the belief that human nature is essentially good.
Speaker 4: Those with the unconstrained vision distrust decentral processes like the
Speaker 4: free market, and are impatient with large institutions and systematic
Speaker 4: processes that constrain human action. They believe there is an
Speaker 4: ideal solution to every problem and that compromises never acceptable.
Speaker 4: Collateral damage is merely the price of moving forward on
Speaker 4: the road to perfection, like taking away people's right to
Speaker 4: free speech sometime, or like the progressive lady at NPR said,
Speaker 4: sometimes the truth gets in the way of what we
Speaker 4: need to accomplish. That's a beautiful example of that. Soul
Speaker 4: often refers to them as the self anointed. Ultimately, they
Speaker 4: believe that man is morally perfectible. Because of this, they
Speaker 4: believe that there exists some people who are further along
Speaker 4: on the path of moral development, have overcome self interest
Speaker 4: and are immune to the influence of power, and therefore
Speaker 4: can act as surrogate decision makers for the rest of society.
Speaker 2: That's so good, how perfect.
Speaker 4: A description of progressive America is.
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, so Ezra Kleine or Elizabeth Warren, whoever they think,
Speaker 3: I'm beyond being corrupted. I will I will pass legislation,
Speaker 3: come up with rules that only benefit everyone, right, because
Speaker 3: I can't be influenced one way or the other. I
Speaker 3: have no selfishness, I have no self interest whatsoever.
Speaker 4: And I am morally superior to anyone who disagrees with me.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's well, that's the proof that they're
Speaker 4: morally inferior, the fact that they disagree with me. That
Speaker 4: is the smugness of progressivism.
Speaker 2: That is so good. This is so good.
Speaker 4: A scientists from Iowa State new study reveals how your
Speaker 4: brain reacts to food purchasing decisions can be used to
Speaker 4: determine your political affiliation with almost eighty percent accuracy. The
Speaker 4: punchline of this is not particularly interesting. I kept waiting for.
Speaker 4: You know, conservatives use the logic part of the brain
Speaker 4: to look at prices, and progressives are stupid and they
Speaker 4: process things emotionally. They don't know enough to know that yet,
Speaker 4: But this is interesting enough. They had people purchase eggs
Speaker 4: with various prices and produced in different ways a bunch
Speaker 4: of different tests, then studied their neural networks. You know
Speaker 4: how they do these days with the light up maps
Speaker 4: and the rest of it. Oversimplifying this a bit, says
Speaker 4: the professor of economics. You cannot tell whether someone is
Speaker 4: a democrat or Republican when you see them buy free
Speaker 4: range eggs, But if you were to examine their brain activity,
Speaker 4: you would see that they are using different parts of
Speaker 4: their brains in that decision. The brain activity predicts the party,
Speaker 4: not the purchase. And he says, we know from studies
Speaker 4: of twins that about fifty percent of your political ideology ideology.
Speaker 2: Is biologically heritable.
Speaker 4: Not know that data from your parents allows us to
Speaker 4: infer your political party with sixty nine percent accuracy. So
Speaker 4: it's pretty amazing that just the signal from the brain
Speaker 4: while you're buying eggs and milk enables us to correctly
Speaker 4: classify your political party about eighty percent.
Speaker 2: Of the time. That's interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the different visions, the different sorts of people in
Speaker 4: the world see the world differently, and their brains work differently.
Speaker 4: Don't hate them, just convince them if you can. Fascinating
Speaker 4: you'd hate them a little if you want.
Speaker 1: Armstrong and getty. I was removed from my varsity girls
Speaker 1: team and replaced by a newly eligible male transfer student
Speaker 1: who received favorable treatment. As a result of this unfair treatment,
Speaker 1: my teammate Caitlin and I wore shirts that said save
Speaker 1: girls Sports and stated that boys and girls are different.
Speaker 4: It's common sense. Xx does not equal x y.
Speaker 1: Our athletic director made me remove my shirt and told
Speaker 1: me it was like wearing a swastika in front of
Speaker 1: a Jewish person and said that I would face discipline
Speaker 1: reaction if I wore it again. My title nine in
Speaker 1: free speech rights as a female matter too.
Speaker 3: That's a high school girl speaking in front of the
Speaker 3: California simply about how she was told to take off
Speaker 3: her shirt, asking that she not have to play against
Speaker 3: dudes more or less because it was like a swastik
Speaker 3: in front of a German or a Jewish person.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, the dude was taking off his pants in front
Speaker 4: of all the girls in the locker room.
Speaker 2: And dominating in the sports. Just sick.
Speaker 4: So California's held a couple of hearings lately in the
Speaker 4: Assembly for the purpose of quickly quashing bills that would
Speaker 4: restore girls and women's sports. Josh Hoover's California Assemblyman, seventh
Speaker 4: Assembly District, who's privy to the goings on at the Capitol, obviously,
Speaker 4: and actually Josh, first of all, welcome, It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 2: How are you, thanks, guys, great to be back.
Speaker 4: Great to have you. So were you at the hearings?
Speaker 6: So I was at the Capitol. I wasn't in the
Speaker 6: hearing room, but I was watching on my screen and
Speaker 6: got to see everything go.
Speaker 2: Down and how did it go well?
Speaker 6: So, I mean, you guys played that clip. There was
Speaker 6: just hundreds of amazing student athletes there in support of
Speaker 6: the bills. Obviously, you guys know that Governor Gavin Newsom
Speaker 6: has seen the light on this in some ways, but
Speaker 6: the Democratic supermajority in the California Legislature has decided to
Speaker 6: double down. There were two bills that were heard, So
Speaker 6: AB eighty nine would have required CIF which is our
Speaker 6: sports body here, to limit high school women's sports to
Speaker 6: biological women. And AB eight forty four would have returned
Speaker 6: California law to where it was ten years ago, which
Speaker 6: essentially limits sex segregated sports to basically buy sex versus
Speaker 6: gender identity, which is what they changed it to.
Speaker 2: About a decade ago.
Speaker 3: Well, if Gavin Newsom had out, I don't want to
Speaker 3: get stuck on Gavin Newsom, but if he had seen
Speaker 3: the light, he would have come out yesterday and made
Speaker 3: a statement about this or prior to the hearings.
Speaker 2: But he did not because he's a coward.
Speaker 6: One hundred percent totally agree. The Legislative Committee, the Arts
Speaker 6: Committee there voted seven to two to kill both of
Speaker 6: these bills back to back.
Speaker 4: Unbelievable lad Us poll out it's seventy nine to eighteen
Speaker 4: this issue in America, so.
Speaker 2: It's an eighty twenty issue.
Speaker 3: I don't even understand the raw politics of this issue.
Speaker 3: It just seems like the Democratic Party so on the
Speaker 3: wrong side of this in terms of staying in office.
Speaker 2: What what gives?
Speaker 6: So Jack, you know, one of the things you've expressed
Speaker 6: is what are the arguments opposing these bills? And that's
Speaker 6: one of the reasons I tuned into the hearing because
Speaker 6: I wanted to hear what the opposition.
Speaker 2: Had to say about this.
Speaker 6: So they laid out.
Speaker 2: Five basic arguments.
Speaker 6: Number One, passing these bills would be an invasion of
Speaker 6: girls privacy because somehow we're going to now require, you know,
Speaker 6: inspections of some kind, even though we did it this
Speaker 6: way for decades prior the entirety of human history. Josh,
Speaker 6: sports are inherently unfair. With another argument they used, which
Speaker 6: really bigs the question, why do we even have sex
Speaker 6: segregated sports? In the first place, right, you know, you
Speaker 6: know Serena Williams famously talked about how you know women's
Speaker 6: and men's tennis is vastly different games.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: They repeatedly said, we have no data, but then they
Speaker 6: said it's not a big issue. And then a couple
Speaker 6: of these are my two favorites.
Speaker 4: There's dreams of data, folks, which you probably know.
Speaker 2: Go on, Josh, Sorry, sorry, last two.
Speaker 6: The Trump administration is the real threat to women, not
Speaker 6: not this issue obviously, but the really incredible one is
Speaker 6: one of my colleagues actually said that the fact that
Speaker 6: these bills were even introduced demonstrates that we are headed
Speaker 6: towards Nazi Germany and fascism in the United States. No,
Speaker 6: that actually came out of something Wow, Oh.
Speaker 4: My god, Josh, you're a learned man. We need we
Speaker 4: the saying, need to come up with a universally agreed
Speaker 4: upon phrase to describe what you just described. And it's
Speaker 4: the same as introducing, say, gay porn into a school library,
Speaker 4: and then when somebody says that shouldn't be in there,
Speaker 4: accusing them of being a Nazi or a reactionary or
Speaker 4: what have you, the changing things vastly and then accusing
Speaker 4: those who say that change is no good of being
Speaker 4: the actual change agent. We need to How do you describe.
Speaker 2: A pretty good jiu jitsu trick? Though? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 4: If anybody has a brilliant idea, you can text this
Speaker 4: four one five two nine five KFTC or drop is
Speaker 4: an email mail bag at Armstrong and getty dot com.
Speaker 3: We're on the road to Nazi Germany because we don't
Speaker 3: let boys play girls volleyball.
Speaker 4: And they said that with a straight face, deadly serious.
Speaker 2: Actually he was deadly serious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, Hitler, he sure was a fan
Speaker 4: of fellas dominating girls' sports. Now that's the first thing
Speaker 4: he got going. No, I guess no, he would be.
Speaker 4: He would be the opposite he believed boys should Anyway, Well,
Speaker 4: back to the politics of I am Nazis, everybody.
Speaker 2: Back to the politics of it. I just I just
Speaker 2: don't get it.
Speaker 3: I would think your average Democrat realizes most of the
Speaker 3: people in my you know, around the United States district,
Speaker 3: or in California, you're a little area of your town whatever,
Speaker 3: even the Democrats mostly don't think this is a good idea.
Speaker 2: So why hasn't that happened?
Speaker 6: Well, in fact, and there was a number of people
Speaker 6: that got up to the microphone to express their position
Speaker 6: on the bill that stated out loud, I am a
Speaker 6: life long democrat, I support these bills. I support, you know,
Speaker 6: protecting women's sports. And that happened over and over again
Speaker 6: at the hearing, and yet every single person in there
Speaker 6: was called the Nazis, So you know, I think it's
Speaker 6: it's pretty shocking. And remember this isn't just the sports
Speaker 6: issue too. One of these bills would also address the
Speaker 6: locker room issue, which basically California law allows locker rooms
Speaker 6: to be used based on your gender identity. When I
Speaker 6: was on a school board previously that our legal council
Speaker 6: actually told us that the only option for people that
Speaker 6: feel uncomfortable in that situation would be able to find
Speaker 6: a private space for the girls changing in those locker rooms.
Speaker 6: That that was the only thing we would be able
Speaker 6: to do as a school district.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the girls need to give way. Michael plays clip eighteen.
Speaker 4: This is Scarlett Johnson of Mom's for Liberty in Wisconsin.
Speaker 8: A biological mail sixteen years old, obvious mail over two
Speaker 8: hundred pounds who identified as trans was allowed to change
Speaker 8: in the girls' locker room. This boy has alleged to
Speaker 8: strip nude.
Speaker 2: To leer at the girls while they were changing. These girls.
Speaker 8: When they complained, the gym teacher told them to staff
Speaker 8: being dramatic.
Speaker 2: It was hard to believe.
Speaker 8: It was hard to believe that this was happening in Wisconsin,
Speaker 8: but it absolutely was.
Speaker 4: I'm reminded of our discussion during the last segment or
Speaker 4: two about the moral superiority that progressives feel. I have
Speaker 4: a feeling they would say, you know, I don't care
Speaker 4: if it's eighty twenty. We're going to keep preaching the
Speaker 4: trans women are women until it's eighty twenty. The other way,
Speaker 4: because we're right and we're superior.
Speaker 3: With some example of the gay marriage movement, the polling
Speaker 3: changed on that quite dramatically over years.
Speaker 2: This one is not, though, Oh no, no.
Speaker 4: In fact, it's going in the other direction as more
Speaker 4: and more people get hip to the reality of Josh.
Speaker 4: So a question for you Assembly California Assemblyman Josh Hoover
Speaker 4: on the line right now, and this is your political
Speaker 4: analyst hat time.
Speaker 2: Is it.
Speaker 4: The voices you heard in the hearing especially that killed
Speaker 4: both of these incredibly important reasonable bills. Is that actual
Speaker 4: ideological fervor do they believe this stuff to their hearts.
Speaker 4: Or is it that whole intersectionality If the illegal immigrant
Speaker 4: people don't back us on transgender and the black activists don't,
Speaker 4: you know, don't back the union guys, that will all
Speaker 4: fall apart.
Speaker 2: Is it just solidarity or what?
Speaker 6: Well? Look, I think there are some Democrats in the
Speaker 6: legislature that kind of go with the wind, right whichever
Speaker 6: way the political wind is blowing.
Speaker 2: I think Gavin Newsom is that person.
Speaker 6: Actually now I think he actually signed a lot of
Speaker 6: these bills, right, and then now that he's looking at
Speaker 6: running for president, he's changing his tune. But the people
Speaker 6: in this hearing that voted these bills down, a number
Speaker 6: of them believe this to their core. And in fact,
Speaker 6: at one point, the chair of the committee hearing even
Speaker 6: said that he agrees it's an eighty twenty issue, but
Speaker 6: it's but he still believes that it's the wrong thing
Speaker 6: to do to support these bills. So, you know, I
Speaker 6: think that it really depends on who you're talking about,
Speaker 6: but there are people that truly believe this to their core.
Speaker 2: Well appreciate you coming on today.
Speaker 3: Is specifically the little nugget about somebody claiming we're on
Speaker 3: the way to Nazi Germany. If these passed, I mean,
Speaker 3: that's hilarious. Yeah, that's that's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Josh.
Speaker 4: All right, well, keep fighting the good fight. I would
Speaker 4: love to see the Republican Party in California, which still exists,
Speaker 4: by the way, for folks in the rest of the country,
Speaker 4: to go with the Trump believes in you, they believe
Speaker 4: in they them. We've got to hammer that message anyway.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, thanks guys, Josh having on.
Speaker 4: Oh it's great to have you. Thanks Josh. So A
Speaker 4: couple of thoughts. Number One, there's never been and a
Speaker 4: more disconcerting time for actual Nazis who will walk around,
Speaker 4: you know, and say maybe they got a swastika, and
Speaker 4: people assume that some anti Elon Musk person painted on
Speaker 4: their car or their jacket or whatever, and and and
Speaker 4: if they can even tell you, look, I'm a Nazi,
Speaker 4: and they are probably greeted with, ohs here in favor
Speaker 4: of booting trans people out of sports. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I'm a national socialist. Oh so you support Elon Musk. No, ain't.
Speaker 4: Alf Hitler is my.
Speaker 2: Hero, but people don't believe it. Nazi germanjje Am, I right,
Speaker 2: high five. No, no, that thing. No, I'm an anti Semite,
Speaker 2: they would say.
Speaker 3: I'm again, I'm confused by the politics, because generally politicians
Speaker 3: just do what's gonna keep them in office.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's bizarre, troubling and refreshing that these people truly
Speaker 4: vote their principles, and their principle is a person can
Speaker 4: decide one day they're a man.
Speaker 2: And the next they're a woman, and.
Speaker 4: That magically makes them a woman.
Speaker 3: Look, that's not what Gavin Newsom's doing. Oh so I'm surprised.
Speaker 3: I mean this is like the easiest sister soulship moment ever. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he's he's turned out. He doesn't need to
Speaker 3: worry about running again in California. So why wouldn't he
Speaker 3: come out, make national news be on Fox all day long?
Speaker 3: If he gave a little speech about why, you know, dude,
Speaker 3: should men girls sports and go against his party? I mean,
Speaker 3: that would have been a huge step forward for him
Speaker 3: on the national stage.
Speaker 4: I can't believe he won't do it.
Speaker 2: I think he is waiting.
Speaker 4: He's thrown a bread crumber two out to enhance his
Speaker 4: reasonable iness bona fides, But he's not going to turn
Speaker 4: on the left of his party in any recognizable or
Speaker 4: undeniable way until you know he's won the nomination, and
Speaker 4: then when he pivots to the general as presidential candidate
Speaker 4: in this nightmare scenario. Although I've said a million times
Speaker 4: I would love for him to run, I would enjoy
Speaker 4: that so much.
Speaker 3: Seen a lot of candidates overthink it like this and
Speaker 3: not get the nomination.
Speaker 2: Sure, oh yeah, yeah, Kamala Harris.
Speaker 4: Although Gavy is twice as intelligent as Kamala, but anyway, so.
Speaker 2: Is a cocker Spaniel.
Speaker 4: True, but his tack to the center will be so
Speaker 4: jarring and complete because he has no principles.
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's part of me that would love
Speaker 2: to see it. God dang it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. It's obscene and just troubling that people
Speaker 4: can believe something so passionately and so completely that nobody
Speaker 4: believed no body fifteen years ago, and hardly anybody believes
Speaker 4: it now.
Speaker 2: Oh but they will die on that hill.
Speaker 3: I don't want to get stuck on this, So my
Speaker 3: last comment on this would be from everything I read.
Speaker 3: The polling shows that among Democrats they believe they need
Speaker 3: to moderate. Yes, and the big money people are saying
Speaker 3: we need to moderate. So I would just think.
Speaker 4: I just think it would be such a win, right right.
Speaker 4: Like I said, it is both kind of positive and
Speaker 4: horrifying that people are sticking to their guns.
Speaker 3: Keep believing Twitter, just do it. Go ahead, keep believing Twitter.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and uh yeah, the college students. Listen to
Speaker 3: college students.
Speaker 2: They are wise.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh yes, and your party won't totally go the
Speaker 4: way of the Mastadon.
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. Hang in there, I stay here.
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Speaker 4: Oh there was a disturbing if you're just tuning in
Speaker 4: where you been. I've been talking about California Assembly killing
Speaker 4: two bills to keep dudes out of girls' locker rooms
Speaker 4: and sports, and one of the assembly members said, the
Speaker 4: very occurrence of the hearing is proof that we're on
Speaker 4: the road to Nazi Germany. To say there should be
Speaker 4: no dudes in girls' sports, which there weren't any till
Speaker 4: like last week, To say anything about that is proof
Speaker 4: around the road to Nazi Germany. And another capital insider
Speaker 4: in California's tipped us off that a bunch of people
Speaker 4: who testified on those bills noted that they are former
Speaker 4: Democrats due to the issue, and after Assembly members Burr
Speaker 4: made the Nazi comment, there was a guy who testified
Speaker 4: that he is a gay Democrat quote and a Nazi
Speaker 4: according to mister Burr, because I support this bill. So again,
Speaker 4: lunatics keep thinking Twitter is America, angry college girl, Twitter
Speaker 4: is America. These are people who watch libs of TikTok
Speaker 4: and don't understand they're being made fun of. Nazi I
Speaker 4: saw on.
Speaker 3: The Nazi thing. Here's where we gotta draw the line
Speaker 3: on free speech. There's got to be an amendment to
Speaker 3: the Constitution. No more calling people to Nazi. This is
Speaker 3: leading to Hitler's Germany. We just it's it's ruined. It's
Speaker 3: ruined all discourse.
Speaker 4: Well yes, yeah, remember the argument to reductio ad al
Speaker 4: hit Larum that if an online discussion goes along, it
Speaker 4: goes on long enough, sooner or later somebody will be
Speaker 4: compared to Hitler. It's now like instant totam. I'll hit Larum.
Speaker 4: It just instantly goes there.
Speaker 3: Well, well, one of the problems with it. Jonah Goldberg
Speaker 3: has written about this a lot is it always ends up.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you take it any further, it gets
Speaker 3: into a no, it's not like Hitler's Rise or Hitler's
Speaker 3: Germany because of X and Y, as if that's the
Speaker 3: only standard for good or bad. And so if it
Speaker 3: falls short of Hitler, if it's Hitlarium, yes, if it's
Speaker 3: under the Hitler line, it's okay. So it sets the
Speaker 3: bar way too high for I should be disturbed by this, well, right,
Speaker 3: and the left is so brutally hypocritical and dishonest because
Speaker 3: they believe they're morally superior that if you were to say.
Speaker 4: You know, on the conservative side of things, that something's
Speaker 4: as bad as slavery, especially during the BLM heights where
Speaker 4: everybody's terrified of them, everyone but us, they would say
Speaker 4: that devalues the horrors of slavery. How dare you do that?
Speaker 4: It was a terrible, terrible thing. But they will compare
Speaker 4: people who are anti the designated Hitter to Hitler. You
Speaker 4: don't think that devalues the Holocaust and horror fascism and
Speaker 4: the rest of it. Yeah, and simultaneously you call everybody
Speaker 4: a fascist assist. Again, I can accept that these people
Speaker 4: exist on earth and I will protect their right to
Speaker 4: free speech, but by god, I don't want them in
Speaker 4: charge of anything anything.
Speaker 3: So Axios is reporting this today, do we believe Axios?
Speaker 2: They've got some pretty good reporters.
Speaker 3: White House fed up with RFK Junior's sluggish press shop.
Speaker 3: The White House is so frustrated by the lack of
Speaker 3: clear and fast communications by Health Secretary of RFK Junior's
Speaker 3: agency that is set up a parallel press shop. Five
Speaker 3: top Trump administration sources tell Axios, if you got five
Speaker 3: people leaking to Axios, that seems like a pretty solid story.
Speaker 4: RFK Junior's right about a handful of things that are
Speaker 4: pretty important. I see Beef Tallow. I don't know much
Speaker 4: about those things. He's absolutely right about a handful of things.
Speaker 4: But he is a loose canon, half a nut, and
Speaker 4: he will not last in his job.
Speaker 2: That is my prediction.
Speaker 3: Well, if they're setting up a separate press shop, according
Speaker 3: to five different people willing to leak Daxios, that's a sign.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we did. I guess we're out of town.
Speaker 2: Goodbye Armstrong and Getty.