1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast. 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and Jetty and 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 2: no he Armstrong and Yetty. 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 3: California took a look at two different bills to stop 6 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 3: boys from playing in girls' sports particultably like at the 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 3: high school level and that sort of thing. And they 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: both got shot down yesterday. And we're going to talk 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: to somebody who was there for the argument coming up 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 3: later this hour. 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 4: It's now more than an eighty twenty issue in America. 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 4: The support for males in girls' sports is less than 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 4: twenty percent. 14 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: I don't get the politics of this, no kidding anyway. 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,639 Speaker 3: So I mentioned this last week and we never got 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 3: around to it. I'm glad we are now, and I'm 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: looking forward to Joe's reaction to this. So this is 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: ezra Quine of The New York Times on Lex Friedman's 19 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 3: podcast from a couple of weeks ago. And Lex Friedman 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: is an interesting guy if you've never heard his podcast. 21 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: First of all, they're all two to four hours long, 22 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: and I don't know who listens to those whole things, 23 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 3: But he has people on of all different kinds of 24 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: political stripes and worldviews and stuff like that, and he 25 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,639 Speaker 3: just wants to hear what they think. And he opened 26 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 3: with this great question for Ezra Kline of the New 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: York Times, who, if you don't know his act, he 28 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: is a columnist, writer, liberal, progressive, not a bomb chucker 29 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 3: though that's just his I mean, he's a really smart 30 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: he's an intellectual, but he's a progressive. And Lex had 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: him on to say the first question was basically lay 32 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 3: out the progressive point of view or the democrat point 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: of view of the worldview. And I thought, Okay, this 34 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 3: is fantastic. I'm going to hear this from a smart guy. 35 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: And I thought, I am going to listen to this 36 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,919 Speaker 3: podcast in my earbuds as I was like doing laundry 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: or something like that, and I thought, I am going to, 38 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: like in a relaxed manner, listen to this, see if 39 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: I can find any common ground, like fully understand you 40 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 3: know where they're coming from, right, not the cable news version, 41 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 3: but like the intellectual version of how they see the world. 42 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: And I didn't make it more than like thirty seconds 43 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: before I said out loud in my bedroom, Oh, you've 44 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: got to be effing kidding me. 45 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: So this is how it went. 46 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 5: You can define the left in different ways. I think 47 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 5: the left has a couple fundamental views. One is that 48 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 5: life is unfair. We are born with different talents, We 49 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 5: are born into different nations. Right, the luck of being 50 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 5: born into America is very different than the luck of 51 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 5: being born into Venezuela. We are born into different families. 52 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 5: We have luck operating as an ominant presence across our 53 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 5: entire lives, and as such, the people for whom it 54 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 5: works out, well, we don't deserve all of that. 55 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: We got lucky. 56 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 5: I mean, we also worked hard, and we also had talent, 57 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 5: and we also applied that talent. But at a very 58 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 5: fundamental level, that we are sitting here is unfair, and 59 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 5: that so many other people are in conditions that are 60 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 5: much worse, much more precarious, much more exploited, is unfair. 61 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 5: And one of the fundamental roles of government should not 62 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 5: necessarily be to turn that unfairness into perfect equality, but 63 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 5: to rectify that unfairness into a kind of universal dignity. Right, 64 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 5: so people can have lives of flourishing. So I'd say 65 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 5: that's one thing. He has a very low voice for 66 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 5: a child. Yeah, I'll hold back for now. I see 67 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 5: what you mean, though my eyes were wide. 68 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: You don't deserve that. 69 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: That's when I said in my bedroom, Oh, you gotta 70 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: be effing king me. 71 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: Wow. 72 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 4: Well, and I want to hear the next part, obviously, 73 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 4: but he kind of denied his own purpose there at 74 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 4: the end. And we're not trying to come up with 75 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 4: some perfect equality. 76 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, let's hear a little more and then we 77 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: can discuss The. 78 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 5: Left is fundamentally more skeptical of capitalism and part of 79 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 5: the unchecked forms of capitalism than the right. I think 80 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 5: this is hard to talk about because what we call 81 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 5: unchecked capitalism is nevertheless very much supported by government. So 82 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 5: I think in a way you have both, Like markets 83 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 5: are things that are enforced by government. Whether they are 84 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 5: you know, how you set the rules of them is 85 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 5: what ends up differing between the left and the right. 86 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 5: But the left tends to be more worried about the 87 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 5: fact that you could get rich building coal fired power 88 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 5: plants belching pollution into the air, and you could get 89 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 5: rich laying down solar panels, and the market doesn't know 90 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 5: the difference between the two. And so there's a set 91 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 5: of goals about regulating the unchecked potential of capitalism. That 92 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 5: also relates to sort of exploitation of workers. There's very 93 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 5: fundamental questions about how much people get paid, how much 94 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 5: power they have. Again, the rectification of economic and other 95 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 5: forms of power is very fundamental to the left. 96 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 2: Okay, So. 97 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 3: It reminded me, of course, when Obama said, you didn't 98 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: build that, that attitude, and I thought, okay, as Ezra 99 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: Kline just laying that out a little more clearly. I 100 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 3: heard a podcast with this guy. He's got the most 101 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 3: famous economics podcast in America. I can't remember what his 102 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: name is, but anyway, and he's he leans left, but 103 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 3: he his uh, his take on the whole. Okay, even 104 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: if you've got a situation where where you like, in 105 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: the most blatant example, it's not fair that this person, 106 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: you know, they're born with a better brain, their parents 107 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 3: got him a tutor, they had connections to get him 108 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: into a better school, whatever it is versus someone else. 109 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 4: How is the government going to weigh in. 110 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 2: To fix it? 111 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 4: He said? Even if I buy all the lack. 112 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 3: Of fairness, in what sense could you structure a government. 113 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 4: That's going to even that out? That doesn't do. 114 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 2: More harm than good. 115 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 4: Oh exactly that the last phrase is the key one. 116 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 4: And it is interesting to me to hear somebody who's 117 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 4: obviously fairly intelligent, like Ezra Kleine, be so narrow in 118 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 4: his vision, so incredibly unwise to not recognize that if 119 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,239 Speaker 4: you empower somebody, I was going to summarize his creed 120 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 4: with as the following, I'm so smart, I and people 121 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: like me should be in charge of everything because we 122 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 4: will make it good. But a guy who is reasonably 123 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 4: intelligent to lack the wisdom to see that a government 124 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 4: empowered to right all of these pick a un wrongs 125 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 4: or equalize somehow or other, even if not a perfect equality, 126 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 4: but like getting us halfway there, that government would be 127 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 4: so awesome and not in the modern word like causing 128 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 4: awe and horror, so powerful and monumentally huge. It would 129 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 4: be terrifying. How do you miss that? As, Oh, no, 130 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 4: we would just do the good things, not the bad stuff. 131 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: Well, right, And then. 132 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: The problem being that where do you draw the line 133 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: between unfair advantages that people didn't earn and choices that 134 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 3: you make. Because lots of people make really really bad 135 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 3: choices in life. I've made bad choices in life. That 136 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: damaged me a lot, and some people keep doing them. 137 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 3: I don't dismiss the ideas. I haven't told my story 138 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: about the uber driver I had the other day. Maybe 139 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: I'll do that for the podcast today. But I was 140 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 3: thinking in that trip, which was really sketchy, that this 141 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: poor guy is never going to be able to do 142 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 3: very well in life. So I got a better brain 143 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 3: than he did. That is unfair, that's not his fault, 144 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: it's not my credit. But then he got all the 145 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: life choices that people make. And I've seen so many 146 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: small people make horrible life choices. What is the government 147 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: gonna do to even out results there? 148 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 4: And I've known the proverbial c student. Oh yeah, absolutely, 149 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 4: And I'm not gonna go with the old trope that 150 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 4: but they're very straight smart and blah blah blah. No, 151 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 4: I've known some people who aren't very bright, but they 152 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 4: make good, sound moral decision after decision, and it benefited 153 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 4: quite nicely from those decisions. Anyway, What makes a person, though, 154 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 4: get in the morning and want to pursue the idea 155 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 4: of that person has more than that person. 156 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: We need to get them closer together. 157 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 4: What is that? 158 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: Well? 159 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 4: And the means that they use to pursue that goal 160 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 4: or are often horrible from my point of view. I mean, 161 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 4: if you have a charitable view of the world and 162 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 4: you think I ought to do something to help those people, 163 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 4: you have my full blessing until it becomes And what 164 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 4: I am going to do is, at the point of 165 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 4: the government's gun, take money from people and compel them 166 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 4: to do these things. Because that's the opposite of generosity. 167 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 4: That's that's that's you know, totalitarianism. I hate to even 168 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 4: use the word fairness in any context in this because 169 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 4: it's become such a cliche rhetorical cliche of the left, 170 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 4: because people have an instinctive view of what fairness is 171 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 4: from childhood on. That is, everything should be fair. That's 172 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 4: at least the ideal. Whereas you know, being born with 173 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 4: a better brain or a worse brain, or a taller, 174 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 4: good looking or talented or whatever, that the difference among 175 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 4: people is one hundred percent fair. It's a very definition 176 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 4: of fairness. Nothing has been done by anybody to pervert 177 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 4: the natural unfolding of it. Nobody cheated anybody, right. 178 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 3: The Jefferson idea of just you go as far as 179 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 3: your talent and effort will take you. 180 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 4: Right exactly that it's there could be nothing more fair. 181 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 4: Then you get dealt a hand in life, and then 182 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 4: you've got to go from there with the help of 183 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 4: the people around you and the people care about you, 184 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 4: and the government protecting your rights. That's why the government exists, 185 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 4: and off you go. Read Harrison Berger on the Great 186 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 4: Kurt Vonna Gets Short Story. If you don't have a 187 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 4: lot of time, read Thomas Sowell's Conflict Divisions if you 188 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 4: have more about this sort of thing. But I hate 189 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 4: and it breaks my heart that my daughter is autistic 190 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 4: and life will always be extremely difficult for her. 191 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: I hate that. 192 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 4: I adore her, but I wouldn't use the word unfair 193 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 4: to describe that. 194 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: It just is. 195 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: I got kicked off of a jury before I made it, 196 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 3: the only time I've ever made it this far to 197 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: like actually get into the courtroom and they start the 198 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 3: law start asking me questions. And the question that got 199 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 3: me kicked out was looking back to the starting point 200 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 3: of your life where you've end up now, is it more? Uh, 201 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: the circumstance you were born into are your life's choices. 202 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 3: And I went with life's choices, and that got me kicked. 203 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: Off the jury. 204 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 3: That I think life's choice is unfair, unfair good vlunfair 205 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 3: good vocal fry from Ezrak Klein. I don't know why 206 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 3: socialism goes with vocal fry. I don't know why those 207 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 3: two things go together, But I still think life choices 208 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 3: have more to do with it than where you were born, 209 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 3: who you were born to in brain power you have 210 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: in terms of where you're gonna end ultimately end up. 211 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: And he obviously does not believe that. 212 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 3: And then even if you agree with as recline, you're 213 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 3: still at the point of. 214 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 2: How could the government fix that? Anyway? 215 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 6: Well? 216 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 4: Right, And my response to all of it would be 217 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 4: so what, So now what are you going to do? 218 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 4: That is always the question at every moment of your life. Okay, 219 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 4: so now what are you going to do? Word from 220 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 4: our friends that prize picks you a fan of the 221 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,599 Speaker 4: baz ball like myself. 222 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: I'm excited about the basketball getting close to. 223 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 4: Players NBA playoffs, maybe both turn those sports predictions into moolah. 224 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 4: With prize picks. Springtime is here, baseball underway. 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Yep, So download the 235 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: app today, use the code Armstrong. 236 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 4: They will give you fifty dollars instantly after you play 237 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 4: a five dollars lineup. So you play a five dollar lineup, 238 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 4: they'll give you fifty bucks to play around with just 239 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: for being there. 240 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: You don't have to win. Again. 241 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 4: It's the Prize Picks app. Use that code Armstrong. Yeah, 242 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 4: I'll see at the ballpark Prize Picks run your game. 243 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: So I'd like you to weigh in. You an email 244 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 3: or you could text us on that whole thing I get. 245 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: I guess part of what drives me crazy is when 246 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: I hear people do that screen they give. They don't 247 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: even throw in a line about life choice as and effort, 248 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 3: not even a line, because it undermines their premise power 249 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 3: wow text line four one five two nine five KFTC unfair. 250 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: Armstrong, Richard slugs. 251 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 7: Don't any of you have the guts a pipe of flood. 252 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 4: I'm a huckleber. 253 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: Just my game, all right. 254 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 4: Longer you go to hell, I'll put you out of 255 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 4: your mist. 256 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: Don't mind him. He just junk, That's all. 257 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: Val Kilmer as doc Holiday in Tombstone, one of the 258 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 3: great roles in Western history, if not movie history. 259 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: So freaking good m he will be missed. Val Kilmer is. 260 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 3: Passed dead at sixty five, got cancer in his forties. Yeah, 261 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: fighting all those years. Yeah. 262 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 4: So we're listening to Ezra Klein described, you know, progressivism 263 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 4: and why he believes in it and what it is, 264 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 4: and mentioned Thomas Soule's book Conflict of Visions, a very 265 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 4: very short version of it. He thinks there are two 266 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 4: sorts of people, the constrained vision of life and the 267 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 4: unconstrained vision, and I'm going to get to a kind 268 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 4: of a cool science y thing if we can fit 269 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 4: it in. But Sol argues that the unconstrained vision relies 270 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 4: heavily on the belief that human nature is essentially good. 271 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 4: Those with the unconstrained vision distrust decentral processes like the 272 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 4: free market, and are impatient with large institutions and systematic 273 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 4: processes that constrain human action. They believe there is an 274 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 4: ideal solution to every problem and that compromises never acceptable. 275 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 4: Collateral damage is merely the price of moving forward on 276 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 4: the road to perfection, like taking away people's right to 277 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 4: free speech sometime, or like the progressive lady at NPR said, 278 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 4: sometimes the truth gets in the way of what we 279 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 4: need to accomplish. That's a beautiful example of that. Soul 280 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 4: often refers to them as the self anointed. Ultimately, they 281 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 4: believe that man is morally perfectible. Because of this, they 282 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 4: believe that there exists some people who are further along 283 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 4: on the path of moral development, have overcome self interest 284 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 4: and are immune to the influence of power, and therefore 285 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 4: can act as surrogate decision makers for the rest of society. 286 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: That's so good, how perfect. 287 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 4: A description of progressive America is. 288 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 3: That, Yeah, so Ezra Kleine or Elizabeth Warren, whoever they think, 289 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 3: I'm beyond being corrupted. I will I will pass legislation, 290 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: come up with rules that only benefit everyone, right, because 291 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 3: I can't be influenced one way or the other. I 292 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 3: have no selfishness, I have no self interest whatsoever. 293 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 4: And I am morally superior to anyone who disagrees with me. 294 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's well, that's the proof that they're 295 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 4: morally inferior, the fact that they disagree with me. That 296 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 4: is the smugness of progressivism. 297 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: That is so good. This is so good. 298 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 4: A scientists from Iowa State new study reveals how your 299 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 4: brain reacts to food purchasing decisions can be used to 300 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 4: determine your political affiliation with almost eighty percent accuracy. The 301 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 4: punchline of this is not particularly interesting. I kept waiting for. 302 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 4: You know, conservatives use the logic part of the brain 303 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 4: to look at prices, and progressives are stupid and they 304 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 4: process things emotionally. They don't know enough to know that yet, 305 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 4: But this is interesting enough. They had people purchase eggs 306 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 4: with various prices and produced in different ways a bunch 307 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 4: of different tests, then studied their neural networks. You know 308 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 4: how they do these days with the light up maps 309 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 4: and the rest of it. Oversimplifying this a bit, says 310 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 4: the professor of economics. You cannot tell whether someone is 311 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 4: a democrat or Republican when you see them buy free 312 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 4: range eggs, But if you were to examine their brain activity, 313 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 4: you would see that they are using different parts of 314 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 4: their brains in that decision. The brain activity predicts the party, 315 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 4: not the purchase. And he says, we know from studies 316 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 4: of twins that about fifty percent of your political ideology ideology. 317 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: Is biologically heritable. 318 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 4: Not know that data from your parents allows us to 319 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 4: infer your political party with sixty nine percent accuracy. So 320 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 4: it's pretty amazing that just the signal from the brain 321 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 4: while you're buying eggs and milk enables us to correctly 322 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 4: classify your political party about eighty percent. 323 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: Of the time. That's interesting. 324 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, the different visions, the different sorts of people in 325 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 4: the world see the world differently, and their brains work differently. 326 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 4: Don't hate them, just convince them if you can. Fascinating 327 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 4: you'd hate them a little if you want. 328 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: Armstrong and getty. I was removed from my varsity girls 329 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: team and replaced by a newly eligible male transfer student 330 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 1: who received favorable treatment. As a result of this unfair treatment, 331 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: my teammate Caitlin and I wore shirts that said save 332 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: girls Sports and stated that boys and girls are different. 333 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 4: It's common sense. Xx does not equal x y. 334 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: Our athletic director made me remove my shirt and told 335 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: me it was like wearing a swastika in front of 336 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: a Jewish person and said that I would face discipline 337 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: reaction if I wore it again. My title nine in 338 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: free speech rights as a female matter too. 339 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 3: That's a high school girl speaking in front of the 340 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 3: California simply about how she was told to take off 341 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 3: her shirt, asking that she not have to play against 342 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 3: dudes more or less because it was like a swastik 343 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 3: in front of a German or a Jewish person. 344 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 4: Meanwhile, the dude was taking off his pants in front 345 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 4: of all the girls in the locker room. 346 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: And dominating in the sports. Just sick. 347 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 4: So California's held a couple of hearings lately in the 348 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 4: Assembly for the purpose of quickly quashing bills that would 349 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 4: restore girls and women's sports. Josh Hoover's California Assemblyman, seventh 350 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 4: Assembly District, who's privy to the goings on at the Capitol, obviously, 351 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 4: and actually Josh, first of all, welcome, It's always a pleasure. 352 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: How are you, thanks, guys, great to be back. 353 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 4: Great to have you. So were you at the hearings? 354 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 6: So I was at the Capitol. I wasn't in the 355 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 6: hearing room, but I was watching on my screen and 356 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 6: got to see everything go. 357 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 2: Down and how did it go well? 358 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 6: So, I mean, you guys played that clip. There was 359 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 6: just hundreds of amazing student athletes there in support of 360 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 6: the bills. Obviously, you guys know that Governor Gavin Newsom 361 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 6: has seen the light on this in some ways, but 362 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 6: the Democratic supermajority in the California Legislature has decided to 363 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 6: double down. There were two bills that were heard, So 364 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 6: AB eighty nine would have required CIF which is our 365 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 6: sports body here, to limit high school women's sports to 366 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 6: biological women. And AB eight forty four would have returned 367 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 6: California law to where it was ten years ago, which 368 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 6: essentially limits sex segregated sports to basically buy sex versus 369 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 6: gender identity, which is what they changed it to. 370 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: About a decade ago. 371 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: Well, if Gavin Newsom had out, I don't want to 372 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 3: get stuck on Gavin Newsom, but if he had seen 373 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 3: the light, he would have come out yesterday and made 374 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 3: a statement about this or prior to the hearings. 375 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 2: But he did not because he's a coward. 376 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 6: One hundred percent totally agree. The Legislative Committee, the Arts 377 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 6: Committee there voted seven to two to kill both of 378 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 6: these bills back to back. 379 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 4: Unbelievable lad Us poll out it's seventy nine to eighteen 380 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 4: this issue in America, so. 381 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: It's an eighty twenty issue. 382 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 3: I don't even understand the raw politics of this issue. 383 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 3: It just seems like the Democratic Party so on the 384 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 3: wrong side of this in terms of staying in office. 385 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 2: What what gives? 386 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 6: So Jack, you know, one of the things you've expressed 387 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 6: is what are the arguments opposing these bills? And that's 388 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 6: one of the reasons I tuned into the hearing because 389 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 6: I wanted to hear what the opposition. 390 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 2: Had to say about this. 391 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 6: So they laid out. 392 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: Five basic arguments. 393 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 6: Number One, passing these bills would be an invasion of 394 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 6: girls privacy because somehow we're going to now require, you know, 395 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 6: inspections of some kind, even though we did it this 396 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 6: way for decades prior the entirety of human history. Josh, 397 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 6: sports are inherently unfair. With another argument they used, which 398 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 6: really bigs the question, why do we even have sex 399 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 6: segregated sports? In the first place, right, you know, you 400 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 6: know Serena Williams famously talked about how you know women's 401 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 6: and men's tennis is vastly different games. 402 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 2: Right. 403 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 6: They repeatedly said, we have no data, but then they 404 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 6: said it's not a big issue. And then a couple 405 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 6: of these are my two favorites. 406 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 4: There's dreams of data, folks, which you probably know. 407 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 2: Go on, Josh, Sorry, sorry, last two. 408 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 6: The Trump administration is the real threat to women, not 409 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 6: not this issue obviously, but the really incredible one is 410 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 6: one of my colleagues actually said that the fact that 411 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 6: these bills were even introduced demonstrates that we are headed 412 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 6: towards Nazi Germany and fascism in the United States. No, 413 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 6: that actually came out of something Wow, Oh. 414 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 4: My god, Josh, you're a learned man. We need we 415 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 4: the saying, need to come up with a universally agreed 416 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 4: upon phrase to describe what you just described. And it's 417 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 4: the same as introducing, say, gay porn into a school library, 418 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 4: and then when somebody says that shouldn't be in there, 419 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 4: accusing them of being a Nazi or a reactionary or 420 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 4: what have you, the changing things vastly and then accusing 421 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 4: those who say that change is no good of being 422 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 4: the actual change agent. We need to How do you describe. 423 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: A pretty good jiu jitsu trick? Though? Yeah? Yeah. 424 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 4: If anybody has a brilliant idea, you can text this 425 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 4: four one five two nine five KFTC or drop is 426 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 4: an email mail bag at Armstrong and getty dot com. 427 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 3: We're on the road to Nazi Germany because we don't 428 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 3: let boys play girls volleyball. 429 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 4: And they said that with a straight face, deadly serious. 430 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 2: Actually he was deadly serious. 431 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, Hitler, he sure was a fan 432 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 4: of fellas dominating girls' sports. Now that's the first thing 433 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,719 Speaker 4: he got going. No, I guess no, he would be. 434 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 4: He would be the opposite he believed boys should Anyway, Well, 435 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 4: back to the politics of I am Nazis, everybody. 436 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: Back to the politics of it. I just I just 437 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: don't get it. 438 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 3: I would think your average Democrat realizes most of the 439 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 3: people in my you know, around the United States district, 440 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 3: or in California, you're a little area of your town whatever, 441 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 3: even the Democrats mostly don't think this is a good idea. 442 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: So why hasn't that happened? 443 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 6: Well, in fact, and there was a number of people 444 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 6: that got up to the microphone to express their position 445 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 6: on the bill that stated out loud, I am a 446 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 6: life long democrat, I support these bills. I support, you know, 447 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 6: protecting women's sports. And that happened over and over again 448 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 6: at the hearing, and yet every single person in there 449 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 6: was called the Nazis, So you know, I think it's 450 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 6: it's pretty shocking. And remember this isn't just the sports 451 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 6: issue too. One of these bills would also address the 452 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 6: locker room issue, which basically California law allows locker rooms 453 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,719 Speaker 6: to be used based on your gender identity. When I 454 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 6: was on a school board previously that our legal council 455 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 6: actually told us that the only option for people that 456 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 6: feel uncomfortable in that situation would be able to find 457 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 6: a private space for the girls changing in those locker rooms. 458 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 6: That that was the only thing we would be able 459 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 6: to do as a school district. 460 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, the girls need to give way. Michael plays clip eighteen. 461 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 4: This is Scarlett Johnson of Mom's for Liberty in Wisconsin. 462 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 8: A biological mail sixteen years old, obvious mail over two 463 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 8: hundred pounds who identified as trans was allowed to change 464 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 8: in the girls' locker room. This boy has alleged to 465 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 8: strip nude. 466 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: To leer at the girls while they were changing. These girls. 467 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 8: When they complained, the gym teacher told them to staff 468 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 8: being dramatic. 469 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 2: It was hard to believe. 470 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 8: It was hard to believe that this was happening in Wisconsin, 471 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 8: but it absolutely was. 472 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 4: I'm reminded of our discussion during the last segment or 473 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 4: two about the moral superiority that progressives feel. I have 474 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 4: a feeling they would say, you know, I don't care 475 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 4: if it's eighty twenty. We're going to keep preaching the 476 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 4: trans women are women until it's eighty twenty. The other way, 477 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 4: because we're right and we're superior. 478 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 3: With some example of the gay marriage movement, the polling 479 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 3: changed on that quite dramatically over years. 480 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: This one is not, though, Oh no, no. 481 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 4: In fact, it's going in the other direction as more 482 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 4: and more people get hip to the reality of Josh. 483 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 4: So a question for you Assembly California Assemblyman Josh Hoover 484 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 4: on the line right now, and this is your political 485 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 4: analyst hat time. 486 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: Is it. 487 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 4: The voices you heard in the hearing especially that killed 488 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 4: both of these incredibly important reasonable bills. Is that actual 489 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 4: ideological fervor do they believe this stuff to their hearts. 490 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 4: Or is it that whole intersectionality If the illegal immigrant 491 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 4: people don't back us on transgender and the black activists don't, 492 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 4: you know, don't back the union guys, that will all 493 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 4: fall apart. 494 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 2: Is it just solidarity or what? 495 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 6: Well? Look, I think there are some Democrats in the 496 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 6: legislature that kind of go with the wind, right whichever 497 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 6: way the political wind is blowing. 498 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 2: I think Gavin Newsom is that person. 499 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 6: Actually now I think he actually signed a lot of 500 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 6: these bills, right, and then now that he's looking at 501 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 6: running for president, he's changing his tune. But the people 502 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 6: in this hearing that voted these bills down, a number 503 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 6: of them believe this to their core. And in fact, 504 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 6: at one point, the chair of the committee hearing even 505 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 6: said that he agrees it's an eighty twenty issue, but 506 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 6: it's but he still believes that it's the wrong thing 507 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 6: to do to support these bills. So, you know, I 508 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 6: think that it really depends on who you're talking about, 509 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 6: but there are people that truly believe this to their core. 510 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 2: Well appreciate you coming on today. 511 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 3: Is specifically the little nugget about somebody claiming we're on 512 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 3: the way to Nazi Germany. If these passed, I mean, 513 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 3: that's hilarious. Yeah, that's that's beautiful. 514 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: Josh. 515 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 4: All right, well, keep fighting the good fight. I would 516 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 4: love to see the Republican Party in California, which still exists, 517 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 4: by the way, for folks in the rest of the country, 518 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 4: to go with the Trump believes in you, they believe 519 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 4: in they them. We've got to hammer that message anyway. 520 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 6: Absolutely, thanks guys, Josh having on. 521 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 4: Oh it's great to have you. Thanks Josh. So A 522 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 4: couple of thoughts. Number One, there's never been and a 523 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 4: more disconcerting time for actual Nazis who will walk around, 524 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 4: you know, and say maybe they got a swastika, and 525 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,239 Speaker 4: people assume that some anti Elon Musk person painted on 526 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 4: their car or their jacket or whatever, and and and 527 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 4: if they can even tell you, look, I'm a Nazi, 528 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 4: and they are probably greeted with, ohs here in favor 529 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 4: of booting trans people out of sports. No, no, no, no, 530 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 4: I'm a national socialist. Oh so you support Elon Musk. No, ain't. 531 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 4: Alf Hitler is my. 532 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 2: Hero, but people don't believe it. Nazi germanjje Am, I right, 533 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 2: high five. No, no, that thing. No, I'm an anti Semite, 534 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 2: they would say. 535 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 3: I'm again, I'm confused by the politics, because generally politicians 536 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 3: just do what's gonna keep them in office. 537 00:28:53,440 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 4: Yes, it's bizarre, troubling and refreshing that these people truly 538 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 4: vote their principles, and their principle is a person can 539 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 4: decide one day they're a man. 540 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 2: And the next they're a woman, and. 541 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 4: That magically makes them a woman. 542 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 3: Look, that's not what Gavin Newsom's doing. Oh so I'm surprised. 543 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 3: I mean this is like the easiest sister soulship moment ever. Yeah, 544 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 3: I mean he's he's turned out. He doesn't need to 545 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 3: worry about running again in California. So why wouldn't he 546 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 3: come out, make national news be on Fox all day long? 547 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 3: If he gave a little speech about why, you know, dude, 548 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 3: should men girls sports and go against his party? I mean, 549 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: that would have been a huge step forward for him 550 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 3: on the national stage. 551 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 4: I can't believe he won't do it. 552 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: I think he is waiting. 553 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 4: He's thrown a bread crumber two out to enhance his 554 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 4: reasonable iness bona fides, But he's not going to turn 555 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 4: on the left of his party in any recognizable or 556 00:29:54,440 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 4: undeniable way until you know he's won the nomination, and 557 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 4: then when he pivots to the general as presidential candidate 558 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 4: in this nightmare scenario. Although I've said a million times 559 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 4: I would love for him to run, I would enjoy 560 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 4: that so much. 561 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 3: Seen a lot of candidates overthink it like this and 562 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 3: not get the nomination. 563 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: Sure, oh yeah, yeah, Kamala Harris. 564 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 4: Although Gavy is twice as intelligent as Kamala, but anyway, so. 565 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 2: Is a cocker Spaniel. 566 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 4: True, but his tack to the center will be so 567 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 4: jarring and complete because he has no principles. 568 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. There's part of me that would love 569 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 2: to see it. God dang it. 570 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. It's obscene and just troubling that people 571 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 4: can believe something so passionately and so completely that nobody 572 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 4: believed no body fifteen years ago, and hardly anybody believes 573 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 4: it now. 574 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: Oh but they will die on that hill. 575 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 3: I don't want to get stuck on this, So my 576 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 3: last comment on this would be from everything I read. 577 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 3: The polling shows that among Democrats they believe they need 578 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 3: to moderate. Yes, and the big money people are saying 579 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 3: we need to moderate. So I would just think. 580 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 4: I just think it would be such a win, right right. 581 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 4: Like I said, it is both kind of positive and 582 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 4: horrifying that people are sticking to their guns. 583 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: Keep believing Twitter, just do it. Go ahead, keep believing Twitter. 584 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and uh yeah, the college students. Listen to 585 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 3: college students. 586 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: They are wise. 587 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh yes, and your party won't totally go the 588 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 4: way of the Mastadon. 589 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. Hang in there, I stay here. 590 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 7: The baby brand Freeda has announced that will offer breast 591 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 7: milk flavored ice cream. 592 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 4: So if you love ice. 593 00:31:54,320 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 7: Cream and you love being on watch lists, you got 594 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 7: like a gown. 595 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 4: Oh there was a disturbing if you're just tuning in 596 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 4: where you been. I've been talking about California Assembly killing 597 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 4: two bills to keep dudes out of girls' locker rooms 598 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 4: and sports, and one of the assembly members said, the 599 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 4: very occurrence of the hearing is proof that we're on 600 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 4: the road to Nazi Germany. To say there should be 601 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 4: no dudes in girls' sports, which there weren't any till 602 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 4: like last week, To say anything about that is proof 603 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 4: around the road to Nazi Germany. And another capital insider 604 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 4: in California's tipped us off that a bunch of people 605 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,959 Speaker 4: who testified on those bills noted that they are former 606 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 4: Democrats due to the issue, and after Assembly members Burr 607 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 4: made the Nazi comment, there was a guy who testified 608 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 4: that he is a gay Democrat quote and a Nazi 609 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 4: according to mister Burr, because I support this bill. So again, 610 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 4: lunatics keep thinking Twitter is America, angry college girl, Twitter 611 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 4: is America. These are people who watch libs of TikTok 612 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 4: and don't understand they're being made fun of. Nazi I 613 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 4: saw on. 614 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 3: The Nazi thing. Here's where we gotta draw the line 615 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 3: on free speech. There's got to be an amendment to 616 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 3: the Constitution. No more calling people to Nazi. This is 617 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 3: leading to Hitler's Germany. We just it's it's ruined. It's 618 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 3: ruined all discourse. 619 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 4: Well yes, yeah, remember the argument to reductio ad al 620 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 4: hit Larum that if an online discussion goes along, it 621 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 4: goes on long enough, sooner or later somebody will be 622 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 4: compared to Hitler. It's now like instant totam. I'll hit Larum. 623 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 4: It just instantly goes there. 624 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 3: Well, well, one of the problems with it. Jonah Goldberg 625 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 3: has written about this a lot is it always ends up. 626 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 3: I mean, if you take it any further, it gets 627 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 3: into a no, it's not like Hitler's Rise or Hitler's 628 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 3: Germany because of X and Y, as if that's the 629 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 3: only standard for good or bad. And so if it 630 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 3: falls short of Hitler, if it's Hitlarium, yes, if it's 631 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 3: under the Hitler line, it's okay. So it sets the 632 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 3: bar way too high for I should be disturbed by this, well, right, 633 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 3: and the left is so brutally hypocritical and dishonest because 634 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 3: they believe they're morally superior that if you were to say. 635 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 4: You know, on the conservative side of things, that something's 636 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 4: as bad as slavery, especially during the BLM heights where 637 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,959 Speaker 4: everybody's terrified of them, everyone but us, they would say 638 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 4: that devalues the horrors of slavery. How dare you do that? 639 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 4: It was a terrible, terrible thing. But they will compare 640 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 4: people who are anti the designated Hitter to Hitler. You 641 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 4: don't think that devalues the Holocaust and horror fascism and 642 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 4: the rest of it. Yeah, and simultaneously you call everybody 643 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 4: a fascist assist. Again, I can accept that these people 644 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 4: exist on earth and I will protect their right to 645 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 4: free speech, but by god, I don't want them in 646 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 4: charge of anything anything. 647 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 3: So Axios is reporting this today, do we believe Axios? 648 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 2: They've got some pretty good reporters. 649 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 3: White House fed up with RFK Junior's sluggish press shop. 650 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 3: The White House is so frustrated by the lack of 651 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 3: clear and fast communications by Health Secretary of RFK Junior's 652 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 3: agency that is set up a parallel press shop. Five 653 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 3: top Trump administration sources tell Axios, if you got five 654 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 3: people leaking to Axios, that seems like a pretty solid story. 655 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 4: RFK Junior's right about a handful of things that are 656 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 4: pretty important. I see Beef Tallow. I don't know much 657 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 4: about those things. He's absolutely right about a handful of things. 658 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 4: But he is a loose canon, half a nut, and 659 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 4: he will not last in his job. 660 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 2: That is my prediction. 661 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 3: Well, if they're setting up a separate press shop, according 662 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 3: to five different people willing to leak Daxios, that's a sign. 663 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we did. I guess we're out of town. 664 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 2: Goodbye Armstrong and Getty.