Speaker 1: Welcome.
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Speaker 2: we do. We've got a lot centered to talk about,
Speaker 2: including this headline, the Department of Justice Task Force finds
Speaker 2: quote numerous instances of anti Christian government bias under the
Speaker 2: Biden administration. This is a massive story basically about the
Speaker 2: government going after Christians.
Speaker 3: Well, the facts are deeply disturbing. During the Biden administration,
Speaker 3: we saw the federal government target people of faith, but
Speaker 3: in particular believing Christians, believing Christians were persona non grata
Speaker 3: under the Biden administration. And when President Trump came in,
Speaker 3: he created a task force chaired by Attorney General Pam
Speaker 3: Bondi looking at instances of religious discrimination within our government.
Speaker 4: This was the preliminary report.
Speaker 3: From that task for force, detailing how multiple government agencies
Speaker 3: under the Biden administration targeted Christians for persecution.
Speaker 4: We're going to break all that down.
Speaker 3: We're also going to talk about a very sad development,
Speaker 3: which is the spiral down of Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson
Speaker 3: continues to get more and more extreme, and this week
Speaker 3: he decided to say that he wanted to apologize to
Speaker 3: Osama bin Laden's family, and he also said astonishingly enough,
Speaker 3: that he didn't know if Hamas was a terrorist organization.
Speaker 3: He's just asking questions. Gosh, what has Hamas ever done
Speaker 3: to us? It really is sad to see what has
Speaker 3: happened to someone who used to be a conservative stalwart.
Speaker 4: He used to be not nuts all that on today's pod.
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Speaker 2: this story. And this task force that was put together
Speaker 2: to a dedicate anti Christian bias in our government is
Speaker 2: actually chaired by the Attorney General Pambondy, and what they
Speaker 2: have found is under the Biden administration, they weaponize the
Speaker 2: quote full way of the federal government against Christians that
Speaker 2: according to Trump's leadership, they laid out a new report
Speaker 2: where there are numerous instances of past anti Christian bias
Speaker 2: and recommendations to protect faith in America, especially when it
Speaker 2: comes to our federal government going after people of faith.
Speaker 3: Well, as you noted, Pambondi, the Attorney General, chairs this
Speaker 3: task force. We've had Pambondy as a guest on this
Speaker 3: podcast right at the beginning of her tenure, and let's
Speaker 3: break down what the task force found.
Speaker 4: Here's what Fox News reports.
Speaker 3: Quote, the Biden administration weaponized the full weight of the
Speaker 3: federal government against Christians, according to Trump leadership, laying out
Speaker 3: in a new report the numerous instances of anti Christian
Speaker 3: bias and recommendations to protect faith in America. This report,
Speaker 3: the task Force had a clear mandate to ensure that quote,
Speaker 3: any unlawful and improper conduct, policies, or practices that target
Speaker 3: Christians are identified, terminated, and rectified. And here's what the
Speaker 3: task Force says in the overview the damage that can
Speaker 3: be done when religious liberty is not protected and preserved
Speaker 3: for all Americans. The Task Force makes this commitment. The
Speaker 3: federal government will never again be permitted to turn its
Speaker 3: power against people of faith. Under President Trump an Attorney
Speaker 3: General Bondi's leadership, in partnership with all members of this
Speaker 3: task Force, the rule of law will be enforced with vigor,
Speaker 3: and every religion will be treated with equality in both
Speaker 3: policy and action. And the report adds the days of
Speaker 3: anti Christian bias and the federal government are over. Faith
Speaker 3: is not a liability in America, it is a liberty.
Speaker 3: And I want to go through their numerous instances of
Speaker 3: anti Christian bias that the report lays out. The report
Speaker 3: concludes Joe Biden weaponized the full weight of the federal
Speaker 3: government against Christians and trampled on their fundamental First Amendment rights.
Speaker 3: The task force founded the Department of Defense, the Equal
Speaker 3: Employment Opportunity Commission, and the Department of Labor all quote deprioritized,
Speaker 3: mishandled or denied requests for religious exemptions to the Bide
Speaker 3: administration's COVID nineteen mandate. So that's one aspect where you
Speaker 3: had believing Christians that wanted an exception to the COVID
Speaker 3: mandate and the Biden administration. If you're a Christian, you
Speaker 3: need not apply. The task Force also found that the
Speaker 3: Department of Education, under the Bide administration quote, attempted to
Speaker 3: impose record breaking fines on some of the nation's largest
Speaker 3: Christian universities, including Liberty University fourteen million dollars and Grand
Speaker 3: Canyon University thirty seven point seven million dollars.
Speaker 2: By the way, let's just stop there and talk about
Speaker 2: Liberty University. So if people understand the history of Liberty,
Speaker 2: Liberty University has been a front end center university that
Speaker 2: is of Christian faith, Christian values, Christian students. They have
Speaker 2: had many, by the way, political people come there to speak,
Speaker 2: Conservatives obviously among those. That is a clear attack on
Speaker 2: that university, trying to hurt that university.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, your thoughts.
Speaker 3: Look, as you know, in twenty sixteen when I ran
Speaker 3: for president, I launched my presidential campaign at Liberty University.
Speaker 3: Speaking at that convocation in March of twenty fifteen, it
Speaker 3: was incredible. We had about ten thousand students there. Liberty
Speaker 3: is a tremendous institution, but it is a Bible believing
Speaker 3: Evangelical Christian university. And to the Biden that meant it
Speaker 3: was an enemy, that mint it was someone to be persecuted,
Speaker 3: to be targeted. And this pattern of animus it really
Speaker 3: combines two things, one the deep distrust and hatred of
Speaker 3: evangelical Christians, with two the weaponization of government. The willingness
Speaker 3: of the Biden administration to say, we've got the Department
Speaker 3: of Justice, We've got the FBI, we've got the Department
Speaker 3: of Labor, We've got the Department of Education, We've got
Speaker 3: the irs. We are going to use government to go
Speaker 3: after our enemies. That is a pattern we saw for
Speaker 3: four years. I'm really glad this task force is laying
Speaker 3: out the results because the results. But by the way,
Speaker 3: the Department of Homeland Security, here's what the task force
Speaker 3: found that Customs and Border Protection omitted Christian perspectives from
Speaker 3: a directive for detainees, but deliberately noted accommodations for Islam
Speaker 3: sects of Judaism and Rastafarianism. In other words, under the
Speaker 3: Biden administration, and if you're a Rastafari and Yaman, that
Speaker 3: was fully protected. Yeah, but God forbid you're a Bible
Speaker 3: believing Christian. They never heard of you. Sorry, no one here,
Speaker 3: no new number who.
Speaker 2: This Yeah, well, and you look at this, and it
Speaker 2: goes back to there were a lot of I think suspicions, right,
Speaker 2: and the suspicions were that the administration was anti Christian.
Speaker 2: If you brought up, of course, everybody in the media
Speaker 2: is like, that's absurd, that's absurd. We're now getting the
Speaker 2: documentation to show that, yes, these groups and organizations, universities,
Speaker 2: actually felt like they were clearly being targeted, were right
Speaker 2: and now vindicated. The question is, how do we make
Speaker 2: sure this hasn't happened again. That's part of what Pambonding
Speaker 2: and the trum administration are trying to accomplish here.
Speaker 4: One of the most powerful tools is sunlight.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that I've urged PAMBONDI, I've
Speaker 3: rged just about every Department of Justice official who has
Speaker 3: been confirmed.
Speaker 4: I've verged urged.
Speaker 3: Cash Mattel, the head of the FBI, is engage in
Speaker 3: radical transparency. I've urged Bobby Kenned at HHS, engage in
Speaker 3: radical transparency. Shine a light on what the Biden administration did.
Speaker 3: Make it public. Look much of this abuse of power.
Speaker 3: It's like cockroaches. It thrives in the darkness. It thrives
Speaker 3: when it is hidden. There is power to just shining
Speaker 3: a light on it. And by the way, if anyone
Speaker 3: violated the law, if anyone committed a criminal act, they
Speaker 3: ought to be prosecuted. That's the next step of this inquiry.
Speaker 3: But the very first thing is just exposing it. So,
Speaker 3: for example, let's take a law, the Face Act, the
Speaker 3: Freedom of Access to clinic entrances, Act. The task force
Speaker 3: found the Department of Justice under the Biden administration arrested
Speaker 3: and convicted approximately two dozen individuals under the Face Act
Speaker 3: for praying and for demonstrating outside abortion facilities. And let
Speaker 3: me stop and repeat that. They arrested approximately two thousand
Speaker 3: dozen individuals for praying. That was deemed a criminal offense.
Speaker 3: Praying and demonstrating. Well, there is that whole thing called
Speaker 3: the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, the first
Speaker 3: Amendment that protects the right to free speech. But not
Speaker 3: under Joe Biden. If your speech was in defense of
Speaker 3: the right to life, if your prayer was in the
Speaker 3: defense the right to life, they viewed you as a
Speaker 3: criminal defendant. And yet, the way the Face Act is written,
Speaker 3: it is written to prevent to protect the right of
Speaker 3: access to an abortion clinic, but it is also designed
Speaker 3: to protect the right of access to places of worship
Speaker 3: and crisis pregnancy centers. Here's what the report founded. They
Speaker 3: would not enforce it for churches or crisis pregnancy centers.
Speaker 3: It was a pure double standards. If their politics agreed
Speaker 3: with you, then bring out the jack boots. If you're
Speaker 3: a little old lady praying, get ready to be in handcuffs.
Speaker 3: But if it's a church, if it's a pregnancy access center.
Speaker 3: By the way, we saw radical pro abortion forces fire
Speaker 3: bombing ignancy access centers, and yet the Department of Justice
Speaker 3: did no arrests. It was simply not a priority. At
Speaker 3: the same time, the task Force lays out that at
Speaker 3: the FBI, the FBI specifically targeted quote radical traditionalist Catholics
Speaker 3: as domestic terrorism threats. As treasury, the task Force points
Speaker 3: out that many quote pro Christian groups have been debanked.
Speaker 4: This was a pattern across the board.
Speaker 3: The State Department quote limited humanitarian relief to Christians relative
Speaker 3: to other populations and offered muted response to attacks on
Speaker 3: Christians compared to other groups. And at the State Department,
Speaker 3: the task force said it discovered evidence that quote preferential
Speaker 3: employment practices were afforded for those of non Christian religions,
Speaker 3: while Christian employees quote were disfavored. And it continues to
Speaker 3: say it was particularly concerning that employees were less likely
Speaker 3: to be permitted leave for observation of certain Christian holidays
Speaker 3: as opposed to non Christian holidays.
Speaker 2: All right, so you hear that center, and then here
Speaker 2: comes a million dour question. We've exposed it. Right, that's
Speaker 2: great news. We've found it. Is there going to be
Speaker 2: any accountability now? I asked that question, also asking this,
Speaker 2: The task Force says they had a clear mandate again
Speaker 2: Pambini in charge to ensure quote that any unlawful and
Speaker 2: improper conduct policies or practices that number one target Christians
Speaker 2: they're identified, then terminated, and then they say it will
Speaker 2: be quote rectified. So I hear that, I'm actually a
Speaker 2: little bit hopeful. Does that mean, and I want you
Speaker 2: to put your lawyer hat on here, does that mean
Speaker 2: that there's a real chance people could actually not only
Speaker 2: lose their job, but actually be charged with crime.
Speaker 3: Well, I very much hope. So the first step is
Speaker 3: just transparency, making it public, cataloging it, giving specific instances.
Speaker 3: This report, this reports a preliminary report. They're planning to
Speaker 3: put out a more fulsome report with extensive details and
Speaker 3: as much as they can catalog it and build a
Speaker 3: public record that is valuable. It is important not just
Speaker 3: to have it abstract, but to identify who the decision
Speaker 3: makers were. Some of those decision makers are going to
Speaker 3: be political appointees from the Biden administration who are gone.
Speaker 4: Who are out of office.
Speaker 3: Other decision makers are going to be career government employees
Speaker 3: who eagerly participated in the persecution of Christians. At a
Speaker 3: very minimum, any career federal government employee who persecuted Christians
Speaker 3: should be terminated. They should lose their job. It is
Speaker 3: important for that to be a firing offense because unfortunately,
Speaker 3: at some point in the future we're going to have
Speaker 3: another Democrat administer and the pattern we've seen from Bill
Speaker 3: Clinton to Barack Obama to Joe Biden is we've seen
Speaker 3: each Democrat administration get worse and worse and worse. And
Speaker 3: so whenever we have the next Democrat administration, if we
Speaker 3: don't do something significant, we can anticipate it will be
Speaker 3: even worse. One of the significant things is if people
Speaker 3: lose their jobs. If it becomes clear if you target Christians,
Speaker 3: if you violate the law, you will be terminated. That
Speaker 3: is important as a deterrent. It's also important for accountability,
Speaker 3: and then if anyone violated the law, if anyone committed
Speaker 3: criminal conduct, they should be prosecuted. And the most likely
Speaker 3: instance of criminal conduct is if they lied under oath.
Speaker 3: And you frequently have individuals who testify before Congress or
Speaker 3: otherwise are lying under oath. That's the most direct way
Speaker 3: of criminal liability. You know, we rememberer back to Lois Lerner,
Speaker 3: who during during the the Obama administration targeted Christians at
Speaker 3: the I R S. And Lois Lerner ended up pleading
Speaker 3: the fifth in front of Congress. She ended up refusing
Speaker 3: to testify. She ended up being held in contempt of Congress,
Speaker 3: and then the Obama administration refused to do anything about it.
Speaker 3: The Obama Department of Justice refused to prosecute the contempt finding.
Speaker 3: That's a pattern that should not be replicated, and so
Speaker 3: everyone who violated the law needs to be accountable. That's
Speaker 3: important both for holding people accountable for past conduct but
Speaker 3: also for deterrents going forward.
Speaker 2: All right, Senatra, I want to move to another issue,
Speaker 2: and this one deals with Tucker Carlson. I was actually
Speaker 2: genuinely shocked by the audio when this broke. I really
Speaker 2: couldn't believe what I was witnessing when this audio broke.
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson is now coming out and he's, like said sang,
Speaker 2: he wants to give condolences to a Sabin Lauden's family,
Speaker 2: and he says he's not even sure the Hamas is
Speaker 2: actually a radical Jihadis organization.
Speaker 1: Those are his words. What in the hell is going
Speaker 1: on here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben, you and I both know Tucker Carlson well,
Speaker 3: and something is wrong with Tucker Carlson. I don't know
Speaker 3: what the hell is wrong with him, But look, Tucker
Speaker 3: is someone He's very smart, he's very talented. During the
Speaker 3: COVID lockdowns, Tucker's monologue every night was destination TV. He
Speaker 3: was unloading on idiotic practices that were shutting our country down.
Speaker 4: I called him the midst of COVID.
Speaker 3: I said, Tucker, you're the single best thing on television
Speaker 3: every single night. Thank you for doing what you're doing.
Speaker 3: I look at the Tucker today, he is unrecognizable. As
Speaker 3: listeners of this podcast know, I went on Tucker's show.
Speaker 3: I knew Tucker was going to come after me. I
Speaker 3: knew he was going to come after me, and sadly
Speaker 3: do so dishonestly. In the course of that two hour
Speaker 3: by back and forth, it was a lot of firefight.
Speaker 3: It was a bloodbath. I think on both sides. You
Speaker 3: saw Tucker engage in bizarre counterfactual assertions. He said, for example,
Speaker 3: Iran's not trying to kill the president. What do you
Speaker 3: mean no, no, no, no, no, Iran. There's no evidence Iran's
Speaker 3: trying to kill the president. That is, of course absurd.
Speaker 3: Multiple people have been indicted for being Iranian agents, trying
Speaker 3: to kill the president, trying to kill former US senior officials.
Speaker 4: But but and and.
Speaker 3: Tucker bizarrely said, you know, if Iran was trying to
Speaker 3: kill the president, well then we should nuke them, which
Speaker 3: which was a really bizarre proposition. No, we should not
Speaker 3: be nuking Iran or anyone else. But I got to say,
Speaker 3: the week that I did the Tucker interview was the
Speaker 3: week right before the President launched the bombing attack on
Speaker 3: Iran's nuclear facilities. And and Tucker was was spiraling at
Speaker 3: the time because he was attacking Donald Trump and saying,
Speaker 3: if the United States bombs Iran, he said, it will
Speaker 3: be World War three. Number one, Yeah, he said, thousands
Speaker 3: of Americans will die. Number two, And he said America
Speaker 3: will lose. Number three, that Iran will beat us in
Speaker 3: World War three.
Speaker 4: Yes, every one of.
Speaker 2: Those, so he said at the time it was shocking
Speaker 2: when he said, everybody was like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: America is going to lose to Iran? Are you kidding?
Speaker 3: Me. Every one of those predictions we now know the truth.
Speaker 3: They were laughingly, entirely totally false. And I got to say,
Speaker 3: for some reason, when when Tucker tried desperately to convince
Speaker 3: President Trump not to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities and Donald
Speaker 3: Trump disagreed with Tucker Carlson, and Tucker put out his
Speaker 3: newsletter and said, well, you're not America first if you
Speaker 3: bomb Iran, and Trump responded, no, I'm the one that
Speaker 3: decides what America First is, and I'm telling you right
Speaker 3: now defending America is America First. I gotta say it
Speaker 3: just started Tucker on this downward spiral. So in the
Speaker 3: weeks and months since then, he had some loon professor
Speaker 3: on talking about Hitler and saying, you know, there's a
Speaker 3: very good argument the United States should have intervened in
Speaker 3: World War Two on the side of Hitler and the Nazis,
Speaker 3: and Tucker kind of nods, no, there is not a
Speaker 3: good argument America should have supported the Nazis. The Nazis
Speaker 3: were evil period the end. I gotta say, any commentator,
Speaker 3: if you're sitting around thinking, you know what I need
Speaker 3: to do. I need to go out and embrace Adolf Hitler.
Speaker 3: Defend Hitler. Just pause right there.
Speaker 1: Think about what you're doing.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: There are very few ironclad rules in politics, or history
Speaker 3: or life, but I'll give you one. Adolf Hitler always, always,
Speaker 3: always bad. Just trust me, this is a safe ground
Speaker 3: to be on. Yeah, Hitler bad.
Speaker 2: Let me add number two to the list real quick,
Speaker 2: because if you go Hitler first in there next for
Speaker 2: especially for people that are I don't know, forty five
Speaker 2: and under, the most evil guy that we probably saw
Speaker 2: in our lifetime in real life, and that was a
Speaker 2: guy by the name of Osama bin Lauden, right like,
Speaker 2: throw him out there nine to eleven if you were alive,
Speaker 2: if you remember it. Osama bin Ladd's another one. Don't
Speaker 2: don't side with Adolf Hitler. And if you were my age,
Speaker 2: I'm forty four now, don't whatever you do, don't side
Speaker 2: with Osama bin Laden, which brings us to this unhinged
Speaker 2: Tucker point number two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I just want you to listen to what
Speaker 3: Tucker had to say about Osama bin Laden.
Speaker 4: Give a listen.
Speaker 6: Let me just say I would be totally comfortable sharing
Speaker 6: condolences with Osama bin Laden's family. I hate Osama bin Laden.
Speaker 6: On the other hand, if somebody dies, it's okay to
Speaker 6: say I'm sorry to his family that he has a murder.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's immaterial. I would say
Speaker 6: that to the family of an executed murderer in a prison.
Speaker 6: It doesn't mean I support the murderer or the murderer.
Speaker 6: But this is family, Like, that's okay. That's called like
Speaker 6: human decency and anyone who's against that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: This, let me just be clear, if I meet any
Speaker 2: of the Osama bin laden family members center, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna walk up back. Let me give you American hug,
Speaker 2: real quick thoughts and prayers like, No, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Look, this is a bizarre position that that Tucker says
Speaker 3: he's okay with giving condolences to Osama Bin Lauden's family.
Speaker 3: By the way, on his same reasoning, he'd be just
Speaker 3: fine giving condolences to Adolf Hitler's family. Let me tell
Speaker 3: you right now, I am not remotely sorry that Osama
Speaker 3: bin Lauden is dead. I'm not remotely sorry that Adolf
Speaker 3: Hitler is dead. By the way, I'm not remotely sorry
Speaker 3: that Jeffrey Dahmer is dead. I'm not remotely sorry that
Speaker 3: Ted Bundy is dead. I'm not remotely sorry that Charles
Speaker 3: Manson is dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: If people are evil, psychotic mass murderers, then society celebrates
Speaker 3: that they are no longer with us.
Speaker 4: There is justice.
Speaker 3: I believe in the principle of justice and understand. Osama
Speaker 3: bin Laden led out Kaita. He planned nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: He executed nine to eleven, in which case nearly three
Speaker 3: thousand people, most of whom were Americans, were murdered. On
Speaker 3: September eleventh, You and I were both alive. I was
Speaker 3: in Washington, d C. Heidi was in the White House
Speaker 3: at the US Trade Representative's office on nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: She evacuated the White House because those terrorists were murdering people.
Speaker 3: I lost a friend of mine, Barbara Olsen, in the
Speaker 3: plane that crashed into the Pentagon when the two towers
Speaker 3: collapsed in New York City. That was a grotesque act
Speaker 3: of war. By the way, I'm also not sorry that
Speaker 3: the kamikaze pilots in Pearl Harbor who murdered American sailors,
Speaker 3: I'm not sorry that they're dead. There is something bizarre.
Speaker 3: There is a moral relativism to saying, well, we should
Speaker 3: number one carry out an incredible military act that takes
Speaker 3: out Wasama bin Laden, But then number two express condolence
Speaker 3: to the family, to the toddlers, We're so sorry we
Speaker 3: took out your psychotic daddy who murdered nearly three thousand Americans. No,
Speaker 3: we're not sorry. And this moral relativism, I gotta say
Speaker 3: it is a weird thing. Yeah, when someone who considers
Speaker 3: himself calls himself a conservative sounds exactly like Ilhan Omar,
Speaker 3: it is a weird thing when a supposed conservative sounds
Speaker 3: like Rashida Talib, sounds like the AOC and says, gosh,
Speaker 3: we ought to be saying I'm sorry to Osama bin
Speaker 3: Laden's family.
Speaker 4: No we should not.
Speaker 2: By the way, it's also weird that he goes in
Speaker 2: this way like attacking America in our foreign policy in
Speaker 2: essence and anybody that doesn't feel sorry for Terris, while
Speaker 2: also giving propaganda out there on behalf of Vladimir Putin
Speaker 2: and Russia with the interview that he did with him,
Speaker 2: and then going shopping at the grocery store saying how
Speaker 2: great life is in Russia, which if you go twenty
Speaker 2: miles outside of Russia, in any direction of Moscow. It's
Speaker 2: very different than what it looks like for the elite
Speaker 2: that are in Moscow. And everything in his trip was,
Speaker 2: by the way, also controlled. They only let you see
Speaker 2: what they want you to see. It's not like he
Speaker 2: can roam freely and decide, Hey, I don't want to
Speaker 2: go to your sure, you send me too. I want
Speaker 2: to go to another one that ain't gonna happen. And
Speaker 2: then you go from this to what he had to
Speaker 2: say about a terrorist organization that has killed countless Jews
Speaker 2: and is said from the river to the sea, they
Speaker 2: want to take out and annihilate all all Jews in Israel.
Speaker 2: They want Israel to cease to exist. And he's like, well,
Speaker 2: hold on a second, maybe they're not a terrorist organization.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're just a political organization. We should think about that.
Speaker 2: It's like, what the hell's going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, give a listen to what he said about hamosbus
Speaker 3: because this is utterly bizarre. This is where Tucker has
Speaker 3: gone full on woke leftist and don't take my word
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 4: Listen to Tucker.
Speaker 6: No one can plausibly claim that a Christian family or
Speaker 6: in Hamas Okay, So, like, what tell me, you can't
Speaker 6: claim that they're in Hamas will simultaneously claiming that Hamas
Speaker 6: is uh you know, grupugie hotties, their Islamic extremists, which
Speaker 6: they also claim constantly, which I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 6: By the way, it seems more like a political organization.
Speaker 6: But whatever it is, they're telling us constantly they're al Qaeda,
Speaker 6: So it can't also be true that Christians are a member.
Speaker 1: Of al Qaeda.
Speaker 6: Sorry, yeah, yeah, So then we know they're not an Amas.
Speaker 6: So why did they get killed? Why was their church book?
Speaker 2: I go back to this and I again it's like
Speaker 2: he's become an apologist for a terrorist organization, and he's saying, well,
Speaker 2: they're not really a terrorist organization. They there, and then
Speaker 2: the Christian aspect of this intertwarting that they're going, well,
Speaker 2: then why do we kill them?
Speaker 1: We kill people that are terrorist centered, that's what we do.
Speaker 3: Well, what he's saying there is bizarre. I don't know
Speaker 3: that Hamas is a terrorist organization. Let me be very clear,
Speaker 3: Hamas is a terrorist organization.
Speaker 2: He'll tell you that, by the way, Am I wrong?
Speaker 2: Like they'll actually tell you they're a terrorist organization. They're
Speaker 2: happy to tell you this and show you how good
Speaker 2: they are at it.
Speaker 3: Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization. ISIS is a terrorist organization.
Speaker 3: This is not just a question of opinion. This is
Speaker 3: a question of facts. So let's give some fact. Article
Speaker 3: eight of the nineteen eighty eight Hamas Covenants states quote
Speaker 3: Jahad is its path, and death for the sake of
Speaker 3: Allah is the loftiest of his wishes. This is who
Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson is defending. Globally, HAMAS is designated a terrorist
Speaker 3: organization by the United States of America, that as a
Speaker 3: matter of federal law, by Australia, by Canada, by Paraguay,
Speaker 3: by Israel, by Japan, by New Zealand, by the United Kingdom,
Speaker 3: and the European Union. Now HAMAS is not formally designated
Speaker 3: by Arab countries. But HAMAS is a branch of the
Speaker 3: Muslim Brotherhood. By the way, I have legislation in the
Speaker 3: Senate right now to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a
Speaker 3: terrorist organization because they unquestionably are. Article two of Hamasa's
Speaker 3: charter describes them as quote one of the wings of
Speaker 3: the Muslim Brotherhood. In Palace Stein, the Muslim Brotherhood, the
Speaker 3: umbrella organization is designated as a terrorist organization in Bahrain,
Speaker 3: in Egypt, in Saudi Arabia, and in the UAE. They
Speaker 3: have always been a terrorist organization if you just look
Speaker 3: at Wikipedia. No no friend of Israel, no enemy of Hamas.
Speaker 3: Here's what Wikipedia says.
Speaker 4: Quote.
Speaker 3: From two thousand to two thousand and four, Hamas was
Speaker 3: responsible for killing nearly four hundred Israelis and wounding more
Speaker 3: than two thousand in four hundred and twenty five attacks.
Speaker 3: According to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, from two
Speaker 3: thousand and one through May of two thousand and eight,
Speaker 3: Hamas launched more than three thousand Casam rockets in two thousand,
Speaker 3: five hundred mortar attacks into Israel. And of course, Hamas
Speaker 3: is who carried out the October seventh attacks, who sent
Speaker 3: death squads into Israel, where they systematically went house to house,
Speaker 3: murdering every person in the held, targeting them because they
Speaker 3: are Jews. They murdered elderly people, they murdered women, they
Speaker 3: murdered children, they murdered infants, they murdered toddlers, They raped
Speaker 3: women and little girls, and they murdered over twelve hundred Israelis,
Speaker 3: many of whom were Americans. It's one of the worst
Speaker 3: terror attacks in history against American citizens. And Tucker says, well,
Speaker 3: I think they're a political organization. He bases this on
Speaker 3: the weird fact. Yes, it is true that in the
Speaker 3: Gaza strip when they had elections, Hamas won. The fact
Speaker 3: that the voters elected a tort terrorist organization does not
Speaker 3: make them a political organization. They were in elected office
Speaker 3: when they carried out the October seventh terror attacks. And
Speaker 3: so I got to say, look, this bizarre statement wasn't
Speaker 3: in the course of an episode where Tucker was interviewing
Speaker 3: this disgruntled State Department employee who was fired hired by
Speaker 3: the Trump administration, yep, and he was giving him an opportunity.
Speaker 3: And by the way, he was also slandering uh a
Speaker 3: young man who works for the State Department, works for
Speaker 3: Mike Huckabee, the President Trump's ambassador to Israel, works for
Speaker 3: Marco Rubio and and and Tucker did an entire segment
Speaker 3: attacking this young man. Why because he's Mark Levin's stepson.
Speaker 3: I gotta say, it is grotesque for Tucker to go
Speaker 3: after Mark Levin.
Speaker 2: He does, And let's explain why real quick, because I'm
Speaker 2: look Mark's a dear friend of mine in yours as well.
Speaker 2: This is a relative Mark Levin. Mark Levin is clearly
Speaker 2: an advocate for Israel. He has stood there and for America,
Speaker 2: let's be clear, and for America America. And so now
Speaker 2: since Tucker Carlson, I guess is like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: anybody under that I don't like, right, Mark Levin a
Speaker 2: family member, Let's just hammer that person to somehow make
Speaker 2: it hurt. I wish she had this much animosity towards
Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin when he was interviewing him.
Speaker 3: And by the way, not just Flatimir Putin, he yet
Speaker 3: the president of Iran. And I mean it was a
Speaker 3: love fest. I mean he practically spooned with the president
Speaker 3: of Iran. I don't know if he was big spoon
Speaker 3: or little spoon, but there was no skepticism.
Speaker 4: And by the way, he's.
Speaker 3: Literally interviewing someone who is actively trying to murder Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: And this is a weird game. So listen, Tucker recognizes
Speaker 3: that the folks that listen to him will get very
Speaker 3: mad at him if he explicitly criticizes Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: So what does he do? Instead?
Speaker 3: He just criticizes everything Trump does. He blasts. He has
Speaker 3: a whole segment on how Mike Huckabee is terrible. Well,
Speaker 3: who is it that appointed Mike Huckabe the ambassador to Israel?
Speaker 3: That would be Donald J.
Speaker 4: Trump.
Speaker 3: And everything he attacks about Ambassador Huckabee, he is doing
Speaker 3: on behalf of Trump. But Tucker is unwilling. He doesn't
Speaker 3: have the courage, you don't have the backbone to actually
Speaker 3: attack Trump, so he just attacks everything Trump does. He
Speaker 3: attacks bombing Iran. Well, who was the commander in chief
Speaker 3: who made the order? And by the way, that was
Speaker 3: an incredibly successful military operation that made America safer. I
Speaker 3: gotta say listen, if you say something publicly and the
Speaker 3: words you said are indistinguishable from something said by Ilhan
Speaker 3: Omar or Rashida Talib, that ought to be a sign
Speaker 3: you've got a problem. And I don't know what's going
Speaker 3: on with Tucker. I don't know what is driving. It's
Speaker 3: one thing to feel kind of isolationist and to say, gosh,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't like wars. Okay, fine, that is
Speaker 3: a view. And to be clear, Donald Trump doesn't like
Speaker 3: wars either. Joe Biden and the Democrats get us in war.
Speaker 3: President Trump has gotten us out of war. But getting
Speaker 3: us out of war you do it through strength, and
Speaker 3: getting us out of war does not mean that you
Speaker 3: refuse to defend America. Fine, if Tucker wants to be isolationist,
Speaker 3: knock yourself out. But this are apology and defense of
Speaker 3: Osama bin Laden, the defense of Hamas, and defense of
Speaker 3: the president of Iran. That is, there is something unhinged,
Speaker 3: and I hope people around Tucker go in and say,
Speaker 3: come on, man, yeah, come come on, let's say we
Speaker 3: love America and we're not gonna lie.
Speaker 4: To the American people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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