1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 2: It is Vertical Center, Ted Cruz ben Ferguson with you. 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 2: It is very nice to have you with us. By 4 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 2: the way, this episode is also going to be up 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 2: on YouTube as well, so if you want to watch 6 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: the episode, you can watch it. Hit that subscribe button 7 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: there so you don't miss an episode on YouTube that 8 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: we do. We've got a lot centered to talk about, 9 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: including this headline, the Department of Justice Task Force finds 10 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: quote numerous instances of anti Christian government bias under the 11 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 2: Biden administration. This is a massive story basically about the 12 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: government going after Christians. 13 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 3: Well, the facts are deeply disturbing. During the Biden administration, 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 3: we saw the federal government target people of faith, but 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 3: in particular believing Christians, believing Christians were persona non grata 16 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 3: under the Biden administration. And when President Trump came in, 17 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 3: he created a task force chaired by Attorney General Pam 18 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 3: Bondi looking at instances of religious discrimination within our government. 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 4: This was the preliminary report. 20 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 3: From that task for force, detailing how multiple government agencies 21 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: under the Biden administration targeted Christians for persecution. 22 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 4: We're going to break all that down. 23 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: We're also going to talk about a very sad development, 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: which is the spiral down of Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson 25 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 3: continues to get more and more extreme, and this week 26 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 3: he decided to say that he wanted to apologize to 27 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:29,639 Speaker 3: Osama bin Laden's family, and he also said astonishingly enough, 28 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 3: that he didn't know if Hamas was a terrorist organization. 29 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 3: He's just asking questions. Gosh, what has Hamas ever done 30 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: to us? It really is sad to see what has 31 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: happened to someone who used to be a conservative stalwart. 32 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 4: He used to be not nuts all that on today's pod. 33 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: If you've ever listened to the show before, you know 34 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: I'm a big advocate for the Second Amendment and I've 35 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: shared on numerous occasions how carrying a firearm literally saved 36 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: my life from a gang related attack. But many of 37 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: you out there may not feel comfortable carrying a firearm. 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: Maybe you have a love one and that's just not comfortable. 39 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: They need a way to protect themselves, and that's why 40 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: I want you to know about Bernot launchers. I have 41 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: them and I've given them to many family members. Berne 42 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: is a handheld pistol that fires both kinetic rounds and 43 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: chemical irritants to separate you from an attacker. And I'm 44 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: here with Josh Cherrard from Bernard to tell us how 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: carrying a bernat when taking a ride share could be 46 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: a really good idea. Josh, what has your team learn 47 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: about safety and ride sharing? 48 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 5: So recently a story has broke about ride share including 49 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 5: Burnet and Lyft, about the fact that they haven't been 50 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 5: reporting nearly as many attacks between drivers and riders as 51 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 5: previously believed, and unfortunately, some of these are as serious 52 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 5: as sexual assaults, major assaults that are putting people in 53 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 5: the hospital. So what we know is that there has 54 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 5: to be something done in order to improve the safety 55 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 5: from drivers and riders on both ends. And unfortunately, Uber 56 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 5: doesn't allow guns to be carried by riders in their cars, 57 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 5: so we're looking at trying to find better ways to 58 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 5: improve that safety so that when you're writing in a 59 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 5: ride share, you understand that you're gonna get from point 60 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 5: A to point B and be able to do it safely. 61 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: And unfortunately a lot of the ride share policies out 62 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: there are not allowing writers to carry weapons inside the vehicle. 63 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: But a burna is something you can use. 64 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 5: Absolutely there's explicitly stated in their policy that they do 65 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,119 Speaker 5: not allow writers to carry firearms in their cars. However, 66 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 5: those policies say nothing about their lesslie, the weapon like 67 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 5: burner launchers, which means that Burna is a great solution 68 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 5: for making sure that you can stay safe in these 69 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 5: right shares. 70 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: Look, I got one, I carry one, my wife has 71 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: one as well many family members. And if you want 72 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: more information on how you and your family member can 73 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: protect yourselves with a Burner launcher, go to burner by 74 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: RNA dot com. Again, that's burner by RNA dot com 75 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: Burna dot com. Right now, Senator, let's get started with 76 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: this story. And this task force that was put together 77 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: to a dedicate anti Christian bias in our government is 78 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: actually chaired by the Attorney General Pambondy, and what they 79 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: have found is under the Biden administration, they weaponize the 80 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: quote full way of the federal government against Christians that 81 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: according to Trump's leadership, they laid out a new report 82 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: where there are numerous instances of past anti Christian bias 83 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: and recommendations to protect faith in America, especially when it 84 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: comes to our federal government going after people of faith. 85 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: Well, as you noted, Pambondi, the Attorney General, chairs this 86 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: task force. We've had Pambondy as a guest on this 87 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: podcast right at the beginning of her tenure, and let's 88 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,119 Speaker 3: break down what the task force found. 89 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 4: Here's what Fox News reports. 90 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 3: Quote, the Biden administration weaponized the full weight of the 91 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: federal government against Christians, according to Trump leadership, laying out 92 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 3: in a new report the numerous instances of anti Christian 93 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 3: bias and recommendations to protect faith in America. This report, 94 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 3: the task Force had a clear mandate to ensure that quote, 95 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: any unlawful and improper conduct, policies, or practices that target 96 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: Christians are identified, terminated, and rectified. And here's what the 97 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: task Force says in the overview the damage that can 98 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: be done when religious liberty is not protected and preserved 99 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 3: for all Americans. The Task Force makes this commitment. The 100 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: federal government will never again be permitted to turn its 101 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 3: power against people of faith. Under President Trump an Attorney 102 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: General Bondi's leadership, in partnership with all members of this 103 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 3: task Force, the rule of law will be enforced with vigor, 104 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 3: and every religion will be treated with equality in both 105 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 3: policy and action. And the report adds the days of 106 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 3: anti Christian bias and the federal government are over. Faith 107 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: is not a liability in America, it is a liberty. 108 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: And I want to go through their numerous instances of 109 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: anti Christian bias that the report lays out. The report 110 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: concludes Joe Biden weaponized the full weight of the federal 111 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 3: government against Christians and trampled on their fundamental First Amendment rights. 112 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 3: The task force founded the Department of Defense, the Equal 113 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: Employment Opportunity Commission, and the Department of Labor all quote deprioritized, 114 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 3: mishandled or denied requests for religious exemptions to the Bide 115 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 3: administration's COVID nineteen mandate. So that's one aspect where you 116 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: had believing Christians that wanted an exception to the COVID 117 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: mandate and the Biden administration. If you're a Christian, you 118 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 3: need not apply. The task Force also found that the 119 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 3: Department of Education, under the Bide administration quote, attempted to 120 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: impose record breaking fines on some of the nation's largest 121 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 3: Christian universities, including Liberty University fourteen million dollars and Grand 122 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: Canyon University thirty seven point seven million dollars. 123 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: By the way, let's just stop there and talk about 124 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: Liberty University. So if people understand the history of Liberty, 125 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: Liberty University has been a front end center university that 126 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: is of Christian faith, Christian values, Christian students. They have 127 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: had many, by the way, political people come there to speak, 128 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: Conservatives obviously among those. That is a clear attack on 129 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: that university, trying to hurt that university. 130 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: In my opinion, your thoughts. 131 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: Look, as you know, in twenty sixteen when I ran 132 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: for president, I launched my presidential campaign at Liberty University. 133 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: Speaking at that convocation in March of twenty fifteen, it 134 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: was incredible. We had about ten thousand students there. Liberty 135 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: is a tremendous institution, but it is a Bible believing 136 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: Evangelical Christian university. And to the Biden that meant it 137 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: was an enemy, that mint it was someone to be persecuted, 138 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,679 Speaker 3: to be targeted. And this pattern of animus it really 139 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 3: combines two things, one the deep distrust and hatred of 140 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: evangelical Christians, with two the weaponization of government. The willingness 141 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 3: of the Biden administration to say, we've got the Department 142 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: of Justice, We've got the FBI, we've got the Department 143 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: of Labor, We've got the Department of Education, We've got 144 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 3: the irs. We are going to use government to go 145 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: after our enemies. That is a pattern we saw for 146 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: four years. I'm really glad this task force is laying 147 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 3: out the results because the results. But by the way, 148 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: the Department of Homeland Security, here's what the task force 149 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 3: found that Customs and Border Protection omitted Christian perspectives from 150 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: a directive for detainees, but deliberately noted accommodations for Islam 151 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: sects of Judaism and Rastafarianism. In other words, under the 152 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: Biden administration, and if you're a Rastafari and Yaman, that 153 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 3: was fully protected. Yeah, but God forbid you're a Bible 154 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 3: believing Christian. They never heard of you. Sorry, no one here, 155 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 3: no new number who. 156 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: This Yeah, well, and you look at this, and it 157 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: goes back to there were a lot of I think suspicions, right, 158 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: and the suspicions were that the administration was anti Christian. 159 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: If you brought up, of course, everybody in the media 160 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: is like, that's absurd, that's absurd. We're now getting the 161 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: documentation to show that, yes, these groups and organizations, universities, 162 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: actually felt like they were clearly being targeted, were right 163 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 2: and now vindicated. The question is, how do we make 164 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: sure this hasn't happened again. That's part of what Pambonding 165 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: and the trum administration are trying to accomplish here. 166 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 4: One of the most powerful tools is sunlight. 167 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: And one of the things that I've urged PAMBONDI, I've 168 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 3: rged just about every Department of Justice official who has 169 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 3: been confirmed. 170 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 4: I've verged urged. 171 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 3: Cash Mattel, the head of the FBI, is engage in 172 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: radical transparency. I've urged Bobby Kenned at HHS, engage in 173 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: radical transparency. Shine a light on what the Biden administration did. 174 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 3: Make it public. Look much of this abuse of power. 175 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 3: It's like cockroaches. It thrives in the darkness. It thrives 176 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 3: when it is hidden. There is power to just shining 177 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 3: a light on it. And by the way, if anyone 178 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 3: violated the law, if anyone committed a criminal act, they 179 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: ought to be prosecuted. That's the next step of this inquiry. 180 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 3: But the very first thing is just exposing it. So, 181 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 3: for example, let's take a law, the Face Act, the 182 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 3: Freedom of Access to clinic entrances, Act. The task force 183 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 3: found the Department of Justice under the Biden administration arrested 184 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 3: and convicted approximately two dozen individuals under the Face Act 185 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: for praying and for demonstrating outside abortion facilities. And let 186 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 3: me stop and repeat that. They arrested approximately two thousand 187 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: dozen individuals for praying. That was deemed a criminal offense. 188 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 3: Praying and demonstrating. Well, there is that whole thing called 189 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 3: the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, the first 190 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: Amendment that protects the right to free speech. But not 191 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 3: under Joe Biden. If your speech was in defense of 192 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: the right to life, if your prayer was in the 193 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: defense the right to life, they viewed you as a 194 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 3: criminal defendant. And yet, the way the Face Act is written, 195 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 3: it is written to prevent to protect the right of 196 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 3: access to an abortion clinic, but it is also designed 197 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: to protect the right of access to places of worship 198 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 3: and crisis pregnancy centers. Here's what the report founded. They 199 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: would not enforce it for churches or crisis pregnancy centers. 200 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 3: It was a pure double standards. If their politics agreed 201 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 3: with you, then bring out the jack boots. If you're 202 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: a little old lady praying, get ready to be in handcuffs. 203 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 3: But if it's a church, if it's a pregnancy access center. 204 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: By the way, we saw radical pro abortion forces fire 205 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: bombing ignancy access centers, and yet the Department of Justice 206 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 3: did no arrests. It was simply not a priority. At 207 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: the same time, the task Force lays out that at 208 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: the FBI, the FBI specifically targeted quote radical traditionalist Catholics 209 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 3: as domestic terrorism threats. As treasury, the task Force points 210 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: out that many quote pro Christian groups have been debanked. 211 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 4: This was a pattern across the board. 212 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: The State Department quote limited humanitarian relief to Christians relative 213 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: to other populations and offered muted response to attacks on 214 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: Christians compared to other groups. And at the State Department, 215 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: the task force said it discovered evidence that quote preferential 216 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: employment practices were afforded for those of non Christian religions, 217 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 3: while Christian employees quote were disfavored. And it continues to 218 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 3: say it was particularly concerning that employees were less likely 219 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 3: to be permitted leave for observation of certain Christian holidays 220 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,359 Speaker 3: as opposed to non Christian holidays. 221 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: All right, so you hear that center, and then here 222 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: comes a million dour question. We've exposed it. Right, that's 223 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: great news. We've found it. Is there going to be 224 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: any accountability now? I asked that question, also asking this, 225 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: The task Force says they had a clear mandate again 226 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: Pambini in charge to ensure quote that any unlawful and 227 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: improper conduct policies or practices that number one target Christians 228 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: they're identified, then terminated, and then they say it will 229 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: be quote rectified. So I hear that, I'm actually a 230 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 2: little bit hopeful. Does that mean, and I want you 231 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 2: to put your lawyer hat on here, does that mean 232 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: that there's a real chance people could actually not only 233 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: lose their job, but actually be charged with crime. 234 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 3: Well, I very much hope. So the first step is 235 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: just transparency, making it public, cataloging it, giving specific instances. 236 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 3: This report, this reports a preliminary report. They're planning to 237 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: put out a more fulsome report with extensive details and 238 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 3: as much as they can catalog it and build a 239 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 3: public record that is valuable. It is important not just 240 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: to have it abstract, but to identify who the decision 241 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 3: makers were. Some of those decision makers are going to 242 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: be political appointees from the Biden administration who are gone. 243 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 4: Who are out of office. 244 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 3: Other decision makers are going to be career government employees 245 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: who eagerly participated in the persecution of Christians. At a 246 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: very minimum, any career federal government employee who persecuted Christians 247 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 3: should be terminated. They should lose their job. It is 248 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: important for that to be a firing offense because unfortunately, 249 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: at some point in the future we're going to have 250 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 3: another Democrat administer and the pattern we've seen from Bill 251 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: Clinton to Barack Obama to Joe Biden is we've seen 252 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 3: each Democrat administration get worse and worse and worse. And 253 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: so whenever we have the next Democrat administration, if we 254 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 3: don't do something significant, we can anticipate it will be 255 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: even worse. One of the significant things is if people 256 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 3: lose their jobs. If it becomes clear if you target Christians, 257 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 3: if you violate the law, you will be terminated. That 258 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: is important as a deterrent. It's also important for accountability, 259 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 3: and then if anyone violated the law, if anyone committed 260 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 3: criminal conduct, they should be prosecuted. And the most likely 261 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 3: instance of criminal conduct is if they lied under oath. 262 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: And you frequently have individuals who testify before Congress or 263 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 3: otherwise are lying under oath. That's the most direct way 264 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 3: of criminal liability. You know, we rememberer back to Lois Lerner, 265 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 3: who during during the the Obama administration targeted Christians at 266 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: the I R S. And Lois Lerner ended up pleading 267 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: the fifth in front of Congress. She ended up refusing 268 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 3: to testify. She ended up being held in contempt of Congress, 269 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 3: and then the Obama administration refused to do anything about it. 270 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: The Obama Department of Justice refused to prosecute the contempt finding. 271 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 3: That's a pattern that should not be replicated, and so 272 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 3: everyone who violated the law needs to be accountable. That's 273 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: important both for holding people accountable for past conduct but 274 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: also for deterrents going forward. 275 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: All right, Senatra, I want to move to another issue, 276 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: and this one deals with Tucker Carlson. I was actually 277 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: genuinely shocked by the audio when this broke. I really 278 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 2: couldn't believe what I was witnessing when this audio broke. 279 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson is now coming out and he's, like said sang, 280 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: he wants to give condolences to a Sabin Lauden's family, 281 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: and he says he's not even sure the Hamas is 282 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 2: actually a radical Jihadis organization. 283 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: Those are his words. What in the hell is going 284 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: on here? 285 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben, you and I both know Tucker Carlson well, 286 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 3: and something is wrong with Tucker Carlson. I don't know 287 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 3: what the hell is wrong with him, But look, Tucker 288 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 3: is someone He's very smart, he's very talented. During the 289 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 3: COVID lockdowns, Tucker's monologue every night was destination TV. He 290 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: was unloading on idiotic practices that were shutting our country down. 291 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 4: I called him the midst of COVID. 292 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: I said, Tucker, you're the single best thing on television 293 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: every single night. Thank you for doing what you're doing. 294 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: I look at the Tucker today, he is unrecognizable. As 295 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 3: listeners of this podcast know, I went on Tucker's show. 296 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 3: I knew Tucker was going to come after me. I 297 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 3: knew he was going to come after me, and sadly 298 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: do so dishonestly. In the course of that two hour 299 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: by back and forth, it was a lot of firefight. 300 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 3: It was a bloodbath. I think on both sides. You 301 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 3: saw Tucker engage in bizarre counterfactual assertions. He said, for example, 302 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 3: Iran's not trying to kill the president. What do you 303 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 3: mean no, no, no, no, no, Iran. There's no evidence Iran's 304 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: trying to kill the president. That is, of course absurd. 305 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 3: Multiple people have been indicted for being Iranian agents, trying 306 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 3: to kill the president, trying to kill former US senior officials. 307 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 4: But but and and. 308 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: Tucker bizarrely said, you know, if Iran was trying to 309 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 3: kill the president, well then we should nuke them, which 310 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: which was a really bizarre proposition. No, we should not 311 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: be nuking Iran or anyone else. But I got to say, 312 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 3: the week that I did the Tucker interview was the 313 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 3: week right before the President launched the bombing attack on 314 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 3: Iran's nuclear facilities. And and Tucker was was spiraling at 315 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 3: the time because he was attacking Donald Trump and saying, 316 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 3: if the United States bombs Iran, he said, it will 317 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 3: be World War three. Number one, Yeah, he said, thousands 318 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 3: of Americans will die. Number two, And he said America 319 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: will lose. Number three, that Iran will beat us in 320 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 3: World War three. 321 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 4: Yes, every one of. 322 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 2: Those, so he said at the time it was shocking 323 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 2: when he said, everybody was like, what are you talking about. 324 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: America is going to lose to Iran? Are you kidding? 325 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: Me. Every one of those predictions we now know the truth. 326 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: They were laughingly, entirely totally false. And I got to say, 327 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: for some reason, when when Tucker tried desperately to convince 328 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 3: President Trump not to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities and Donald 329 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 3: Trump disagreed with Tucker Carlson, and Tucker put out his 330 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 3: newsletter and said, well, you're not America first if you 331 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: bomb Iran, and Trump responded, no, I'm the one that 332 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 3: decides what America First is, and I'm telling you right 333 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 3: now defending America is America First. I gotta say it 334 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 3: just started Tucker on this downward spiral. So in the 335 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: weeks and months since then, he had some loon professor 336 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 3: on talking about Hitler and saying, you know, there's a 337 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 3: very good argument the United States should have intervened in 338 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: World War Two on the side of Hitler and the Nazis, 339 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 3: and Tucker kind of nods, no, there is not a 340 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 3: good argument America should have supported the Nazis. The Nazis 341 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: were evil period the end. I gotta say, any commentator, 342 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 3: if you're sitting around thinking, you know what I need 343 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 3: to do. I need to go out and embrace Adolf Hitler. 344 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: Defend Hitler. Just pause right there. 345 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: Think about what you're doing. 346 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 5: Right. 347 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 3: There are very few ironclad rules in politics, or history 348 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 3: or life, but I'll give you one. Adolf Hitler always, always, 349 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: always bad. Just trust me, this is a safe ground 350 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 3: to be on. Yeah, Hitler bad. 351 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 2: Let me add number two to the list real quick, 352 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 2: because if you go Hitler first in there next for 353 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 2: especially for people that are I don't know, forty five 354 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 2: and under, the most evil guy that we probably saw 355 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: in our lifetime in real life, and that was a 356 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 2: guy by the name of Osama bin Lauden, right like, 357 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 2: throw him out there nine to eleven if you were alive, 358 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 2: if you remember it. Osama bin Ladd's another one. Don't 359 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: don't side with Adolf Hitler. And if you were my age, 360 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 2: I'm forty four now, don't whatever you do, don't side 361 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 2: with Osama bin Laden, which brings us to this unhinged 362 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: Tucker point number two. 363 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I just want you to listen to what 364 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 3: Tucker had to say about Osama bin Laden. 365 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 4: Give a listen. 366 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 6: Let me just say I would be totally comfortable sharing 367 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 6: condolences with Osama bin Laden's family. I hate Osama bin Laden. 368 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 6: On the other hand, if somebody dies, it's okay to 369 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 6: say I'm sorry to his family that he has a murder. 370 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's immaterial. I would say 371 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 6: that to the family of an executed murderer in a prison. 372 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 6: It doesn't mean I support the murderer or the murderer. 373 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 6: But this is family, Like, that's okay. That's called like 374 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 6: human decency and anyone who's against that. 375 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and. 376 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 2: This, let me just be clear, if I meet any 377 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: of the Osama bin laden family members center, I'm not 378 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: gonna walk up back. Let me give you American hug, 379 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: real quick thoughts and prayers like, No, that's not gonna happen. 380 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 3: Look, this is a bizarre position that that Tucker says 381 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 3: he's okay with giving condolences to Osama Bin Lauden's family. 382 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: By the way, on his same reasoning, he'd be just 383 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 3: fine giving condolences to Adolf Hitler's family. Let me tell 384 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 3: you right now, I am not remotely sorry that Osama 385 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 3: bin Lauden is dead. I'm not remotely sorry that Adolf 386 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 3: Hitler is dead. By the way, I'm not remotely sorry 387 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 3: that Jeffrey Dahmer is dead. I'm not remotely sorry that 388 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 3: Ted Bundy is dead. I'm not remotely sorry that Charles 389 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 3: Manson is dead. 390 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. 391 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 3: If people are evil, psychotic mass murderers, then society celebrates 392 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 3: that they are no longer with us. 393 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 4: There is justice. 394 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 3: I believe in the principle of justice and understand. Osama 395 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 3: bin Laden led out Kaita. He planned nine to eleven. 396 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 3: He executed nine to eleven, in which case nearly three 397 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 3: thousand people, most of whom were Americans, were murdered. On 398 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 3: September eleventh, You and I were both alive. I was 399 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 3: in Washington, d C. Heidi was in the White House 400 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 3: at the US Trade Representative's office on nine to eleven. 401 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 3: She evacuated the White House because those terrorists were murdering people. 402 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 3: I lost a friend of mine, Barbara Olsen, in the 403 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 3: plane that crashed into the Pentagon when the two towers 404 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 3: collapsed in New York City. That was a grotesque act 405 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 3: of war. By the way, I'm also not sorry that 406 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 3: the kamikaze pilots in Pearl Harbor who murdered American sailors, 407 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 3: I'm not sorry that they're dead. There is something bizarre. 408 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 3: There is a moral relativism to saying, well, we should 409 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 3: number one carry out an incredible military act that takes 410 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: out Wasama bin Laden, But then number two express condolence 411 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 3: to the family, to the toddlers, We're so sorry we 412 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 3: took out your psychotic daddy who murdered nearly three thousand Americans. No, 413 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 3: we're not sorry. And this moral relativism, I gotta say 414 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: it is a weird thing. Yeah, when someone who considers 415 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 3: himself calls himself a conservative sounds exactly like Ilhan Omar, 416 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 3: it is a weird thing when a supposed conservative sounds 417 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 3: like Rashida Talib, sounds like the AOC and says, gosh, 418 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 3: we ought to be saying I'm sorry to Osama bin 419 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 3: Laden's family. 420 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 4: No we should not. 421 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: By the way, it's also weird that he goes in 422 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: this way like attacking America in our foreign policy in 423 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 2: essence and anybody that doesn't feel sorry for Terris, while 424 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: also giving propaganda out there on behalf of Vladimir Putin 425 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 2: and Russia with the interview that he did with him, 426 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,719 Speaker 2: and then going shopping at the grocery store saying how 427 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 2: great life is in Russia, which if you go twenty 428 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 2: miles outside of Russia, in any direction of Moscow. It's 429 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: very different than what it looks like for the elite 430 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 2: that are in Moscow. And everything in his trip was, 431 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 2: by the way, also controlled. They only let you see 432 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: what they want you to see. It's not like he 433 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 2: can roam freely and decide, Hey, I don't want to 434 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: go to your sure, you send me too. I want 435 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: to go to another one that ain't gonna happen. And 436 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: then you go from this to what he had to 437 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 2: say about a terrorist organization that has killed countless Jews 438 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 2: and is said from the river to the sea, they 439 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 2: want to take out and annihilate all all Jews in Israel. 440 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 2: They want Israel to cease to exist. And he's like, well, 441 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: hold on a second, maybe they're not a terrorist organization. 442 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 2: Maybe they're just a political organization. We should think about that. 443 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 2: It's like, what the hell's going on? 444 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, give a listen to what he said about hamosbus 445 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 3: because this is utterly bizarre. This is where Tucker has 446 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: gone full on woke leftist and don't take my word 447 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 3: for it. 448 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 4: Listen to Tucker. 449 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 6: No one can plausibly claim that a Christian family or 450 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 6: in Hamas Okay, So, like, what tell me, you can't 451 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 6: claim that they're in Hamas will simultaneously claiming that Hamas 452 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 6: is uh you know, grupugie hotties, their Islamic extremists, which 453 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 6: they also claim constantly, which I don't know if that's true. 454 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 6: By the way, it seems more like a political organization. 455 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 6: But whatever it is, they're telling us constantly they're al Qaeda, 456 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 6: So it can't also be true that Christians are a member. 457 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: Of al Qaeda. 458 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 6: Sorry, yeah, yeah, So then we know they're not an Amas. 459 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 6: So why did they get killed? Why was their church book? 460 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 2: I go back to this and I again it's like 461 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: he's become an apologist for a terrorist organization, and he's saying, well, 462 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 2: they're not really a terrorist organization. They there, and then 463 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 2: the Christian aspect of this intertwarting that they're going, well, 464 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 2: then why do we kill them? 465 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: We kill people that are terrorist centered, that's what we do. 466 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 3: Well, what he's saying there is bizarre. I don't know 467 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 3: that Hamas is a terrorist organization. Let me be very clear, 468 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 3: Hamas is a terrorist organization. 469 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 2: He'll tell you that, by the way, Am I wrong? 470 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 2: Like they'll actually tell you they're a terrorist organization. They're 471 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 2: happy to tell you this and show you how good 472 00:26:59,119 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 2: they are at it. 473 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 3: Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization. ISIS is a terrorist organization. 474 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 3: This is not just a question of opinion. This is 475 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 3: a question of facts. So let's give some fact. Article 476 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 3: eight of the nineteen eighty eight Hamas Covenants states quote 477 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 3: Jahad is its path, and death for the sake of 478 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 3: Allah is the loftiest of his wishes. This is who 479 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson is defending. Globally, HAMAS is designated a terrorist 480 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 3: organization by the United States of America, that as a 481 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 3: matter of federal law, by Australia, by Canada, by Paraguay, 482 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 3: by Israel, by Japan, by New Zealand, by the United Kingdom, 483 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 3: and the European Union. Now HAMAS is not formally designated 484 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 3: by Arab countries. But HAMAS is a branch of the 485 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 3: Muslim Brotherhood. By the way, I have legislation in the 486 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 3: Senate right now to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a 487 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 3: terrorist organization because they unquestionably are. Article two of Hamasa's 488 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 3: charter describes them as quote one of the wings of 489 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 3: the Muslim Brotherhood. In Palace Stein, the Muslim Brotherhood, the 490 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 3: umbrella organization is designated as a terrorist organization in Bahrain, 491 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: in Egypt, in Saudi Arabia, and in the UAE. They 492 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 3: have always been a terrorist organization if you just look 493 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 3: at Wikipedia. No no friend of Israel, no enemy of Hamas. 494 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 3: Here's what Wikipedia says. 495 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 4: Quote. 496 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: From two thousand to two thousand and four, Hamas was 497 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 3: responsible for killing nearly four hundred Israelis and wounding more 498 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 3: than two thousand in four hundred and twenty five attacks. 499 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 3: According to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, from two 500 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 3: thousand and one through May of two thousand and eight, 501 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 3: Hamas launched more than three thousand Casam rockets in two thousand, 502 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 3: five hundred mortar attacks into Israel. And of course, Hamas 503 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 3: is who carried out the October seventh attacks, who sent 504 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 3: death squads into Israel, where they systematically went house to house, 505 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 3: murdering every person in the held, targeting them because they 506 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: are Jews. They murdered elderly people, they murdered women, they 507 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 3: murdered children, they murdered infants, they murdered toddlers, They raped 508 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 3: women and little girls, and they murdered over twelve hundred Israelis, 509 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 3: many of whom were Americans. It's one of the worst 510 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 3: terror attacks in history against American citizens. And Tucker says, well, 511 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 3: I think they're a political organization. He bases this on 512 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 3: the weird fact. Yes, it is true that in the 513 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 3: Gaza strip when they had elections, Hamas won. The fact 514 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 3: that the voters elected a tort terrorist organization does not 515 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 3: make them a political organization. They were in elected office 516 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 3: when they carried out the October seventh terror attacks. And 517 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: so I got to say, look, this bizarre statement wasn't 518 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 3: in the course of an episode where Tucker was interviewing 519 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 3: this disgruntled State Department employee who was fired hired by 520 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 3: the Trump administration, yep, and he was giving him an opportunity. 521 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 3: And by the way, he was also slandering uh a 522 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 3: young man who works for the State Department, works for 523 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 3: Mike Huckabee, the President Trump's ambassador to Israel, works for 524 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 3: Marco Rubio and and and Tucker did an entire segment 525 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 3: attacking this young man. Why because he's Mark Levin's stepson. 526 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 3: I gotta say, it is grotesque for Tucker to go 527 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 3: after Mark Levin. 528 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 2: He does, And let's explain why real quick, because I'm 529 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: look Mark's a dear friend of mine in yours as well. 530 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: This is a relative Mark Levin. Mark Levin is clearly 531 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 2: an advocate for Israel. He has stood there and for America, 532 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: let's be clear, and for America America. And so now 533 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: since Tucker Carlson, I guess is like, all right, well, 534 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 2: anybody under that I don't like, right, Mark Levin a 535 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 2: family member, Let's just hammer that person to somehow make 536 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 2: it hurt. I wish she had this much animosity towards 537 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin when he was interviewing him. 538 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 3: And by the way, not just Flatimir Putin, he yet 539 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 3: the president of Iran. And I mean it was a 540 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 3: love fest. I mean he practically spooned with the president 541 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 3: of Iran. I don't know if he was big spoon 542 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: or little spoon, but there was no skepticism. 543 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 4: And by the way, he's. 544 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 3: Literally interviewing someone who is actively trying to murder Donald Trump. 545 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 3: And this is a weird game. So listen, Tucker recognizes 546 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 3: that the folks that listen to him will get very 547 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 3: mad at him if he explicitly criticizes Donald Trump. 548 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 4: So what does he do? Instead? 549 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 3: He just criticizes everything Trump does. He blasts. He has 550 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 3: a whole segment on how Mike Huckabee is terrible. Well, 551 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 3: who is it that appointed Mike Huckabe the ambassador to Israel? 552 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 3: That would be Donald J. 553 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 4: Trump. 554 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 3: And everything he attacks about Ambassador Huckabee, he is doing 555 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 3: on behalf of Trump. But Tucker is unwilling. He doesn't 556 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 3: have the courage, you don't have the backbone to actually 557 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 3: attack Trump, so he just attacks everything Trump does. He 558 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 3: attacks bombing Iran. Well, who was the commander in chief 559 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 3: who made the order? And by the way, that was 560 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 3: an incredibly successful military operation that made America safer. I 561 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 3: gotta say listen, if you say something publicly and the 562 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 3: words you said are indistinguishable from something said by Ilhan 563 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 3: Omar or Rashida Talib, that ought to be a sign 564 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 3: you've got a problem. And I don't know what's going 565 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 3: on with Tucker. I don't know what is driving. It's 566 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 3: one thing to feel kind of isolationist and to say, gosh, 567 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 3: you know, I don't like wars. Okay, fine, that is 568 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 3: a view. And to be clear, Donald Trump doesn't like 569 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 3: wars either. Joe Biden and the Democrats get us in war. 570 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 3: President Trump has gotten us out of war. But getting 571 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 3: us out of war you do it through strength, and 572 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 3: getting us out of war does not mean that you 573 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 3: refuse to defend America. Fine, if Tucker wants to be isolationist, 574 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 3: knock yourself out. But this are apology and defense of 575 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 3: Osama bin Laden, the defense of Hamas, and defense of 576 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 3: the president of Iran. That is, there is something unhinged, 577 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 3: and I hope people around Tucker go in and say, 578 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 3: come on, man, yeah, come come on, let's say we 579 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 3: love America and we're not gonna lie. 580 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 4: To the American people. 581 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 582 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 2: Great point. Don't forget. We do this show Monday, Wednesday, Friday. 583 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: Hit that subscriber auto download button. Also, this episode is 584 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 2: on YouTube as well, so if you want to watch 585 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 2: it there you can. 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