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Speaker 2: What's up, guys, Welcome into a special edition of Chargers

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Speaker 2: Weekly Coming to You. Moments after the Chargers officially announced

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Speaker 2: the hiring of Joe Hortiz as their next general manager,

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Speaker 2: as always, joined by Matt Muney Smith and Moddy, we

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Speaker 2: had a sense that this could be the direction the

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Speaker 2: you connect all the dots and it looks like the

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Speaker 2: Chargers got their guy.

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Speaker 1: Well, one thing it signals to me, Chris as we talk.

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Speaker 1: You know, in our last pod about the two finalists,

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Speaker 1: Brandon Brown and Georgeize. Like Brandon Brown, I'm sure resume impressive,

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Speaker 1: played football, you know, law degree, But Georgeiz since nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety eight has been in the Ravens organization. So you

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Speaker 1: hire Brown and it's like, okay, Harbaugh front office, Brown

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Speaker 1: front office experience. You hire Jo or T's And for

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Speaker 1: people that can't see I'm using my hands, I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize it's podcast. I've got Harbaugh slightly above Brandon Brown,

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Speaker 1: and now I'm taking Joe or Teas and I've got

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Speaker 1: this massive gap in terms of front office experience. You

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Speaker 1: can't even see Harbaugh's hand. So what this signals to

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Speaker 1: me is that Harbor does not want complete control of

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Speaker 1: He wants a partner. He wants Joe to take the

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Speaker 1: already done a ton of work on the upcoming draft.

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Speaker 1: He has already been busting his tail to know who

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Speaker 1: the players are in this upcoming draft for twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: where they have the number five pick and of course

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Speaker 1: a very high pick in each round of this draft.

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Speaker 1: This signals to me that Joe is going to be

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Speaker 1: that's probably what he was looking for and what the

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Speaker 2: Hortez has been with Ravens since nineteen ninety eight. He's

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Speaker 2: been a Baltimore lifer when it comes to his NFL career.

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Speaker 2: When you work under Ozzie Newsom and DaCosta and have

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Speaker 2: John Harball has been there for a decade, so Joe

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Speaker 2: Hortiz has worked with a Harball brother. I'm sure John

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Speaker 2: had some things to say to Jim about the relationship

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Speaker 2: that they have and how things are operated. And you're right, money,

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Speaker 2: I think Jim knows he can't do this alone. He

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Speaker 2: think it's fantastic that that Jim is coming from the

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Speaker 2: Big Ten, is going to have his opinion on players

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Speaker 2: But no, Hortiz has been in the league independent of

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Speaker 2: the draft free agency. He knows how to run an organization.

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Speaker 2: He's seeing two of the best do it. And again,

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Speaker 2: it just makes a lot of sense here that to

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Speaker 2: has seemed to really come together nicely over the last week. Buddy,

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Speaker 2: you know the Hardball news everybody went crazy for, but

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Speaker 2: I really am. I think that the Hortes signing and

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Speaker 1: You know, I think everybody it's been well chronicled what

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Speaker 1: you know, Joe reached out to him and said, what

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Speaker 1: Yet he's someone that's been in this front office and

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Speaker 1: yet you rarely heard the name George Ties. And maybe

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Speaker 1: I would assume that John Harbaugh had a lot to

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Speaker 1: this is your opportunity, Joe, go get it. You know

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Speaker 1: there Chris, Like that's the other thing. This, this tire

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh saying to Jim, Yeah, this guy's great. You're gonna

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Speaker 2: of all of this is that they're coming in together.

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Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me of when like Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 2: just think the debt partnership at its core, it's got

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Speaker 2: it seems like that's exactly what they are aiming to

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Speaker 2: our good friend, your radio partner, Daniel Jeremiah was a

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Speaker 1: He thinks the world of him. And in talking to Deed,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The learning curve two when you take into account

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Speaker 2: already ahead of the game. And Maddy, let's not make

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Speaker 2: any bones about it. It's gonna be a tough job,

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Speaker 2: especially this offseason. Some tough decisions need to be made,

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Speaker 1: Right off the top, What's the one position they've struggled

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Speaker 1: sure we keep this guy around. Quarterback likes him. He's

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Speaker 2: into this, which you will. Jim Harball named check Keenan

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Speaker 2: to dissect after the Jim Harball presser. But anything else

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, just look at the way they've drafted,

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Speaker 1: last week. They aren't stopping with Harbaugh. The Spanos has

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Speaker 1: spent at least two million dollars on Jesse Minner. I

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Speaker 1: more like it. Those checks do not stop with Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: He said, this is who I want to bring in.

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Speaker 2: It's a new day in the AFC, specifically with the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Things are coming together and coming together nicely with Jim

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Speaker 2: Harball and Joe Ardes in tow and I'm sure some

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Speaker 2: of those names you mentioned. Money will be official here

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Speaker 2: shortly as we kind of see this coaching staff and

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Speaker 2: big deal. H We'll have you covered. Thursday, one pm.

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Speaker 2: Jim Harball is going to have his introductory press conference.

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Speaker 2: No doubt we'll have a lot of reaction afterwards. For buddy,

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Speaker 2: I'm Chris. This is a shortened version of Charges Weekly.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you later this week.