1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. It's Freddie Brents Jr. I haven't done 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: this before, but I'm gonna answer a question that I 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: got on Twitter that at first I just kind of 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: was like it was too hard to answer because it 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: was an artistic one. You got to kind of take 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: time with those I've had like a week with it 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: now and I think it was a good enough question 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: that we should talk about. And it was wrestlers that 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: became actors, um and why does it seem so hard 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: to make the transition? But yes, we're going to dive 11 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: into that a little bit. And this week we're going 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: to dive into the KOFEE Gauntlet match, and in two 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: different directions. One the one you saw on TV that 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: got him the opportunity for the World Championship, which he won, 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: and the origin of it, which was when I was 16 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: working there and it was the whole writing team, but 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: I remember I was the one who pitched it as 18 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: long as as well as the producers behind it, UH 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: Freebird and that lot. So we're gonna jump into that 20 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: because it was crazy watching it happen live. So without 21 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: further ado, here we go, now stuffing up to the mic, 22 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: the host of Wrestling with Freddie Freddie Prince June. All right, 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: I was up in my attic and a lot of 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: you if you listen to my old podcast with Josh Wolfe, 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: he calls it my gym Attic. And I was watching 26 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 1: an episode of I think it was Friday Night SmackDown 27 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: and the Kofi Kingston. This is years after, ten years 28 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: after I left the company, easily ten years. So not 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: only does he have to win all his matches in 30 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: a row, he can't lose any to earn his prize, 31 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: his title opportunity, and this is the w w E 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: World Championship, but he also has to win them all 33 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: in a row with no rest in between. And it's 34 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: the impossible challenge for the impossible prize, right, And anyone 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: who knew the business, there's no way they they thought 36 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: they were going to put the title on Kofi Kingston. 37 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: And then the New day comes around and it's sort 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: of re shapes and remolds him, and the hype and 39 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: the and the passion became very very real, and you 40 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: started to see, almost like in a Jeff Hardy way, 41 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: people believing in Kofe and and the crowds were hot, 42 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: and I'm watching this, and all of a sudden, I go, 43 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: holy crap, I think we wrote this. And I texted 44 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: my buddy who no longer worked at the company, or 45 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: maybe he did, but he was there when I was there, 46 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: and I said, oh my gosh, are you watching this 47 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: KOFE Gauntlet match? And he texted me back he goes, Dude, 48 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: we wrote this gauntlet match, and I've freaked out. I 49 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I wonder if they're gonna 50 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: They're not gonna let him win. And all of a sudden, 51 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: he just wins match after match after match, and he 52 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 1: wins the whole thing, and he gets his title opportunity, 53 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: and then of I'm not connected to the to the 54 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: rest of the story and I have no knowledge of it. 55 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: But then he goes on to win the w w 56 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: E Championship, only to then lose it to the to 57 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: the treaded brock lessner Um a few months later. So 58 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: I'm watching this and I'm I just I have a 59 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: grin from ear to ear on my face. You would 60 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: have thought I was I was going back to Disneyland 61 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: for the first time since I was a little boy. 62 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: Like it was crazy watching the journey, the story that 63 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: they were telling in the ring that night with the 64 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: history involved. So now let's let's go back in time, 65 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: right like Wayne's World, and I'm at the company. I 66 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: barely have any gray hair at all. I was looking smooth, 67 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: and we come up with this idea for Kofe to 68 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: become Intercontinental Champion. I believe I think it was Intercontinental night. 69 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: It could have been the US title again, someone w 70 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: someone will correct me. You is no better than I do. 71 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: And everybody is like writing out their ideas and how 72 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: they would book it this wrestler and how he's gonna 73 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: beat him in that wrestler and how he's gonna beat him, 74 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: And that wasn't my that wasn't my strong suit. I 75 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: was probably the weakest one in the room when it 76 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: came to to who should win and who should lose. 77 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: So I'm sitting in there and I'm trying to, you know, 78 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: write out the story behind it and the and the 79 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: promo that's gonna get us into the story, and thinking 80 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: about after how this is gonna, you know, get over. 81 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: And all this happened because Kofi had this crazy scene 82 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: on live television. Man, maybe it was Monday Night Raw 83 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: and it was the US title but one of the 84 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: NASCAR guys, and I don't follow NASCAR, so I don't 85 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: I don't know their their names the way some of 86 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: you would, so forgive me for not knowing. I think 87 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: the only one I can think of. I was gonna 88 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: say Jeff Jarrett, but that's that's not a professional race 89 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: car driver, so I clearly I don't know the sport. 90 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: But there's a Jeff there that drives fast. One of 91 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: these guys gave Randy Orton a NASCAR, like an actual 92 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: race car NASCAR, and it's shiny and it's got all 93 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: the logos. It looks like, you know, straight out of 94 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise's Days of Thunder, and maybe not with as 95 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: good of hair as he had, but still the same vibe, 96 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: and it's it's glistening the way they have the lights 97 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: on it, and Kofe's going just ballistic for something that happened. 98 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: Forgive me again. This is a long time ago. I 99 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: can't I can't remember, but he takes an axe of 100 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: fire axe to this NASCAR while he's cutting the promo, 101 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: so there's a ton of effort and breath behind it, 102 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,239 Speaker 1: and it doesn't sound like the standard baby face promo 103 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: or baby face, trying to be a tough guy. Help trying. 104 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: The man's holding an axe and he's cutting holes into 105 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: the hood of what looks like it's clearly not, but 106 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: of what looks like, you know, a two million dollar car, 107 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: however much in the ASCAR costs. I have no idea, 108 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: And he's like, is this what you wanted? Is that 109 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: what you And it's like he's yelling every time the 110 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: axe hits, and we're watching I'm watching Vince's reactions to this, 111 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: and he's just lighting up like a teenager watching it. 112 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you just see when he sees something and 113 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: somebody's like, that's that. Damn it? Yes, and you can 114 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: he's just behind him all the way. And then Kofe 115 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: finally like puts the axe through the windshield or if 116 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: you're in England, the windscreen I respect all cultures, and 117 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: he jumps off the car and he storms off, and 118 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: Vince is like, damn it, yes, and he's this kid's 119 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: going to be a star. So that was the impetus 120 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: to write, is that the right word to to write 121 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: the story? The seed that that sort of sprouted when 122 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: when Vince fertilized it, so to speak, and we started 123 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: riding crazy as fast as we could because we knew 124 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: we had a green light. And when you work at 125 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: that company, there's so much certainty, and so much of 126 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: your hard work feels like it goes to waste sometimes 127 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: because you get assignments that aren't even approved by the boss, 128 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: or maybe they were just approved but in passing. So 129 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: he wasn't really listening, you know, like when you tell 130 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: your your better half man or woman yes, just to 131 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: get them to stop asking you questions and talking because 132 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: you're watching something that you really like, or you're trying 133 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: to play a video game, you're like, yeah, that sounds amazing. 134 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: Have you heard nothing of it? So you know it 135 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: could have been that, or it could just be random politics, 136 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: which is where this story goes. We have this story, 137 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: the whole team is motivated, and again I don't remember 138 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: everyone who worked on it, so I'm just including everyone, 139 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: but I know I wasn't alone on this. We finished 140 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: the whole thing up, and everybody thinks we have this 141 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: great run to the title. We bring it and it 142 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: gets a proved by Steph. She's she's way behind it. 143 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: I don't think Shane was back in the company at 144 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: that point. I think he was over in China at 145 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: that point in time. In the meantime, Randy Orton and 146 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: Kofi have a match. This is a week later. In 147 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: the match, a spot gets blown. And for those who 148 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: don't understand, who aren't wrestling fans, that's like if if 149 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: a scene on Saturday Night Live a live show, or 150 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: if you're watching a sitcom that happened to be taped live, 151 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: like Rock back in the Day, or or I think 152 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: Will and Grace eventually went live. Things like that. You 153 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: can't have people making what you would deem a foolish 154 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: mistake because it could kill the whole show. Now, in 155 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: a sitcom, it's sort of funny, so the audience is 156 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: laughing and you kind of roll with it. But imagine 157 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: if it was Law and Order Live and someone just 158 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: blew their line and started laughing when they're trying to 159 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: you know, arrest or break up some like pornography ring right, 160 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: It's it would just kill the show. So a spot 161 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: gets blown and Randy gets piste on live TV and 162 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: you see him and you can check this on YouTube. 163 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: You know, stupid with that deep orton booming voice and 164 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: that that that Vince wanted him to be Johnny Cash 165 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: and and present himself even though everyone already knew he 166 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: was Randy Orton as Hello, I'm Randy Orton. Like, Yo, 167 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: that's exactly like it is from the trailer that you 168 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: saw in that movie. Goes Yeah, that's great. We already 169 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: know he's the best wrestler in the world. Everybody knows 170 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: who he is anyway. So this spot gets blown, meaning 171 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: a technique, a stunt in the in the match gets blown. 172 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: You can tell something doesn't look good. I don't know 173 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: what it is because I don't see the spot when 174 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: it when it happens, so I don't know what happened. 175 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: I just know something is not good. Right. We get 176 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: to TV the next week with our story and it's 177 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: written in the script and again I can't remember if 178 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: it's a SmackDown or a row and we're in there 179 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: pitching it. I'm pitching it, the producers are pitching it. 180 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: I'm trying to help shape and tell the story and 181 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: bring a lot of passion and energy to it. They're 182 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: talking about, Yeah, the guys have worked this out. They've 183 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: worked that out. You know, he's gonna save face here's 184 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: meaning he's not gonna look bad when he loses. We've 185 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: got some real creative ways and they're spelling it all out, 186 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: and Vince just kind of looks at Kevin, and Kevin 187 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: has this sort of knowing smile, right like he just 188 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: let us do this whole pitch for no reason other 189 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: than to watch it get shot down with joy and pleasure, 190 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: which is so weird and counterproductive to me, but to 191 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: each their own. And it's because I'm sending to the 192 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: dryboard on that and like the everyone's hearts, like you 193 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: just heard like multiple thumps on the floor, like blah 194 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah boa And they weren't toes tapping. 195 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: It was just everyone was crushed and no one would 196 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: would tell me why at first. And so I'm sitting 197 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: through this two and a half three hour production meeting 198 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: and my story is dead. I've tried to save it 199 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: for about ten fifteen minutes. And when I say my story, 200 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: my team's story, it's my job to sell their crap. 201 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: It's my job to put it over. That's that's my job. 202 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: Is your salesman in there on on production day. And 203 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: when I say crap, I don't mean bad stuff. I 204 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: was behind this. I believed in this story. I say 205 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: that about my crap two, don't worry, But ten fifteen minutes, 206 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: I'm fighting for it, and it's just there's no there's 207 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: no winning this battle. So now I'm trying to fix it. 208 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: I'm offering, you know, alternative solutions. Other people are offering 209 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: alternative solutions. The whole thing's just gone at debt. So 210 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 1: finally I just shut up and we move on. And 211 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: I don't think CoFe even worked that night. And I 212 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: get out and they tell me what happened. They tell 213 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: me about this blown spot and and he's piste at him, 214 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: and it's got it got shut down, and they ended up. 215 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: For those who aren't in the know, they ended up 216 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: using that real moment of why Randy sort of held 217 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: KOFE down in the actual story of KOFE winning the 218 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: title after winning the Gauntlet match that I saw ten 219 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: years later off of Randy Orton. They literally put that 220 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: into the story, like, you know, because of the person 221 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: you were, that opportunity was taken away from me. Those 222 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: aren't the exact words, but I'm just trying to communicate 223 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: the gist of it as quickly as possible. Um, But 224 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: I remember watching that and it all came from this 225 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: sort of this moment of of acting, which was him 226 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: on the hood of the car, which kind of inspired 227 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: the thought on the question that I got from Twitter, 228 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: which was who are the best wrestlers turned actor? Who 229 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: are those wrestlers that have turned actor? And why do 230 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: I think that it's such a hard transition from one 231 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: part of showbizzs to the next. So we'll get into 232 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: to all these. The obvious ones are the Rock Hulk, 233 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: Hogan did a did a few, John Cena. Some of 234 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: the movies that they did. I think you can kind 235 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: of see the the talented actors almost always leave, you know. 236 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: Halt did did a few. You know. The only good 237 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: one I think was No Holds Barred where he played 238 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: rip that had it was Zeus Verus his rip. That 239 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: was tiny Zeus Lister, Rest in Peace teny uh tiny 240 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: Zeus Lister Jr. I believe, And I think that was 241 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: nine uh Rowdy Roddy Piper rest in Peace. Uh. He 242 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: was a solid actor. You guys could see this cult 243 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: movie that John Carpenter directed and I think wrote from 244 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: eighty eight the year The Doctors in the World series. 245 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: That's how I remember that it's called They Live and 246 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: Piper is just great in it. One of my dad's 247 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: best childhood friends, Keith David is in that movie. He's 248 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: the black dude, the voice spawn from the animated series 249 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: and he's the other lead in in that movie. And 250 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: they have this great, like seven minute fight in an 251 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: alleyway over a pair of sunglasses. And that's all I'm 252 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: gonna say. And it's ridiculously eighties awesome in every possible 253 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: eighties way. Uh, that was a great one. People. I 254 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: think sleep on Jesse Jesse Ventura, uh from The Running 255 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: Man and from Predator, which was Predator. I don't know. Man, 256 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: maybe he was better than Running Man because he actually 257 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: got to be kind of funny in that one. But 258 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: Predator he was such a badass. He played Blaine. That 259 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: was eighties seven or eighty eight. That's John mctiernen. He 260 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: also did movies like die Hard and uh, random one 261 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: that I don't know why. I know, The Thirteenth Warrior 262 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: with Antonio banderis underrated, flick kind of Viking Norseman bology 263 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: which was kind of cool. Um, and those were sort 264 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: of like, you know, oh, he did uh Hunt for 265 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: Red October. Everybody saw that movie, so cool director there. 266 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: But um, you know, the modern wrestler Dwayne is another 267 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: one who's work you saw grow right, he made it through. 268 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: But it's hard. You can We're not at ten, you 269 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, you can count Andre if 270 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: you want, you could count. You can count Big Show 271 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: for sure, you could count Edge for sure. They've done 272 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of work. Jericho has done 273 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: a lot of work. But as far as like what 274 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: this question was in reference to, like the ones that 275 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: make it, as far as the Rock, it's really the 276 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: Rock and John Cena is on his way. He's on 277 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: a skyrocket there. So let's discuss some of the wrestlers 278 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: that are working today in the that aren't out there 279 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: making movies that I think could transition. Um, I think 280 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: a very easy one that everyone would agree with would 281 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: be Bray Wyatt. I think he has the kind range 282 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: and the level of commitment necessary to play multiple types 283 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: of rules, not just the scary guy, but he could 284 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: do I know he can do comedy because I saw 285 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: him do scenes back in promo class where we would 286 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: pull scenes from like Beverly Hills, Cop and stuff like that, 287 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: and he would just knock him out of the park. 288 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: But his chops are no joke. His commitment is next level. 289 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: He's the kind of guy that I could see make 290 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: that transition. It would be a much stranger role, you know, 291 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: because he's not that he doesn't have the look of 292 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: a typical leading man, right, He's never going to have 293 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: the body of the rock. So you have to kind 294 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: of carve out what kind of not necessarily a character actor, 295 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: but what character would become his sort of signature character. 296 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: But I think he could do it. I think Miss 297 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: could be the lead on any sitcom on any channel, 298 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: and he could find a way for that thing to 299 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: be on for ten years. I've loved Miss for a 300 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: long time. He's been asked on here. If you haven't 301 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: listened to that episode, you really should. All my guests 302 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: kind of the main thing that I try to focus 303 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: on is is how they accomplished their dream. And I 304 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: tried not all my guests are going to be people 305 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: I know. Some it's just people I respect, But the 306 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: ones I know are always people who who are problem solvers, 307 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: not problem identify irs. They're constantly looking for solutions, and 308 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: MS is the kind of guy that can do that. 309 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: UM one of the best actors on the entire roster, 310 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: or in all of wrestling, I think is Alexa Bliss. 311 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: I think she's shown that over the last two three 312 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: years easily even when they mess up segments that should 313 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: be so simple, and she would be so easily written 314 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: if they didn't have twelve people writing it. She's able 315 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: to pull off even some moments that I would not 316 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: want to sell as an actor if I read it 317 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: in the script as hey man, we've got to change 318 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: this line. The same the same work, and oh I 319 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: really like it, and then you hit him with the Well, 320 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: maybe I'm just not good enough to do that, so 321 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: if you could help me out. That's Meryl Street said 322 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: that in an interview once, was like, oh my god, 323 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: I'm stealing that because they hired you. The first thing 324 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: they're gonna say, Oh no, no, of course you couldn't. 325 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: We'll change the line. It works, But in wrestling you 326 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: don't get to do that unless you're you know, top 327 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: top dog with a with a belt around your waist. 328 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: But I think her skills are our next level. Um. 329 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: I love Kevin Owens, but I'm trying to think, like, 330 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: what would he be if he became an actor? Would 331 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: he be? Would he be like like the tough guy 332 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: version of Monk, Like would he be a detective solving 333 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: crimes on like the USA Network. Would he be a 334 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: bad guy in movies, like the scumbag that you always 335 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: want to take out? Would he be the Mr Mom 336 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: kind of dad, like the eighties Mr Mom with Michael Keaton. 337 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: But I know he can act, like I've seen him 338 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: commit to everything from the absolute most absurd ridiculous comedy 339 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: takes that you could possibly even have the guts to 340 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: put out there, to improv type stuff two serious series 341 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: of stuff, to evil son of a bitch kind of stuff. 342 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: And then I already mentioned Edge, but I think you know, 343 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: out of the shield. I really wanted to be able 344 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: to say all three of them, but I think the 345 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: one who would have the biggest shot. And if you 346 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: disagree with me, I'd be interested because I think I 347 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: know which way you'll go. But I think I'm gonna 348 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: go with Seth Rollins and here's why. And in second, 349 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: I would put Moxley, and I think that's where a 350 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: lot of you are going to go. Moxley definitely has 351 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: his thing right. He has the uh it's the Jack 352 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: Bower quality right, and he's had that for a long time, 353 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: whether he's a baby face or a heel, so he 354 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: could definitely pull that off. But Seth lately has been 355 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: able to do something where he showed arrange that I wasn't. 356 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: I didn't know he had right. So and so check 357 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: this out. He becomes the Monday Night Messiah and now 358 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: he's the Friday Night Messiah or whatever night he is. 359 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: He's the Messiah and uh the w w E version, 360 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: And I hated it. I hated that laugh, that forced laugh. 361 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: I hated all of that. And then I realized, because 362 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm an idiot, I'm supposed to it's not making me 363 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: change the channel. It's making me want to shut him 364 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: up and punch him in the face for laughing at 365 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: something that he and I both no, it's not funny 366 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form. So I actually think 367 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: he's doing a great job with this character. And for 368 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: the first few weeks I did not, And I love 369 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: getting proved wrong. I loved watching The New Day explode. Um. 370 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: I didn't like Elias when he first Kate was in 371 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: n x D, and then he hit on w w 372 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: E Monday Night Run. I was like, oh my god, 373 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: I love this guy. Adam Cole finished a promo with 374 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: Babe after executing this beautiful promo, and I was literally like, wait, what, dude? 375 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: But I had never seen Adam call and I watched 376 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: him week after week after week, and by the time 377 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: is the fifth week, he's finishing his promo and I'm 378 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: right there with him at I'm called baby, and I'm 379 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: all on that train. And so I get proven wrong 380 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: a lot. And that's kind of the great thing about 381 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: art is we have these these preconceived notions based on 382 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: how we were I used the term programmed, but based 383 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: on how we were raised culturally, what our parents tastes were, 384 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: what our friends tastes were, what the kids who were 385 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: cool but we weren't allowed to hang out with because 386 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: they were older than us, what they thought was cool. 387 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: All those things shape how we interpret art, whether it 388 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: be wrestling or or literature or or anything. Right, So, 389 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: if if a man is writing a script or a book, 390 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: the woman is usually underwritten, but the men reading it 391 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: don't notice that as much as the woman does. If 392 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: a man ever read like one of those female mystery 393 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: books where you know, they get framed for murder and 394 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: things like this, the husband almost always does it. An 395 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: insecure guy would be like, you know, yo, this men 396 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: are underwritten. We're not all horrible people, right like, We're 397 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: all programmed to interpret this in different ways. And and 398 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: there is no wrong when it comes to art. Is 399 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: if you like something and I go, oh that sucks 400 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: because of ABC and D, none of those effects the 401 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: reasons A, B, C and D Y you like it, 402 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: and vice versa. So there are Picasso paintings out there 403 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: that I I don't like at all. I would literally 404 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: walk right by. They would have zero impact on my life. 405 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: There are the ones paintings that I've seen that it 406 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: made me cry. That's oil on canvas, man, that's not 407 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: even a photograph, it's not even real, but it made 408 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: me cry. So you know, taste is it is it? 409 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: As I always been a tricky thing now as far 410 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: as the business side of it, Hollywood has been weird 411 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: with wrestling for as long as I've been in the business, 412 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 1: all right. I moved to Los Angeles from New Mexico 413 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: or back to Los Angeles to begin my acting career, 414 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: and things happened quickly for me. Um, for those who 415 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: haven't listened in, my father was in this business. It 416 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: provided me some opportunities that I had to be ready 417 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: for it. I was a very disciplined young man and 418 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: I was ready for most of the opportunities that came 419 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: my way, and I moved up the line quick. And 420 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm telling you this because wrestling has always been a 421 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: passion of mine and I have always tried to find 422 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: opportunities throughout my career to try and bring wrestling to 423 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: mainstream Hollywood. And it has always been like running into 424 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: a brick wall. It is the disdain that this business 425 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: has for it. I just I get it, but I 426 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: don't understand it. I get everyone has their taste, but 427 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: we can talk about documented things like before the c 428 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: W was the c W, it was known as the WB, 429 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: and they had an executive there named Jamie Kelder, who 430 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: I knew because he was the main executive on a 431 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: little show called Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He also happens 432 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: to be the executive that hated professional wrestling when he 433 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: went to T n T and basically got rid of it. 434 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: And his perspective on the business was very is the 435 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: word pervasive was very just sort of universally accepted is 436 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: probably a better term then than anyone else's that I've seen, 437 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: at least in a position of power. So a lot 438 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: of times when I've even mentioned wrestlers for hey, you 439 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: need to meet wrestler X, Y or Z just on 440 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: a general casting meeting, they can really act. Here's some clips. 441 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: And I've done this for wrestlers in the past. I've 442 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: literally gotten hit back with yeah, but they worked for 443 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: w W and I'm like, so what they would They'll quit. 444 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: A TV contracts better than a w W E contract, 445 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: I assure you, and SAG is better insurance than having 446 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: to go in there with your own so it's always 447 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: there's always a speed bump. I'll give you some more examples. 448 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: I tried to pitch two wrestling shows last year and 449 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: two friendly or two friendly faces only no strangers, and 450 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: one of them I pitched to three networks and the 451 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: other one I pitched a four that I had again 452 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: friendly faces and people that I've known over a decade, 453 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: who I said, listen, I know, you know you guys 454 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: aren't necessarily looking for this, but here's something different. One 455 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: was sort of around the world of women's wrestling, and 456 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: one was in the world of sort of comedy wrestling 457 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: or yeah. More theatrical wrestling. So both times in all 458 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: seven rooms, four for one, three or the other, it 459 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: was every single question, how do we sell this? And 460 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there, I'm like, like any other show, what 461 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: are you? What are you talking about? You? People know 462 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: it's fake? Well yeah, but people know that the green 463 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: arrows fake, that no one could shoot an arrow it 464 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: at nice in real life except catnets like what are 465 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: we talking about here? And everything was always about that. 466 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: And then a lot of times they talked about the 467 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 1: level of acting, the quality of acting, or the lack 468 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: thereof that they found, and that was an argument that 469 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: I wasn't always able to match because not every great 470 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: wrestler is great on the mic because they don't have 471 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: to be. You're not there to watch at acting and 472 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: to match. You're there to watch wrestling. And if someone 473 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: can talk, you want to get them either fired up 474 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: with you or fired up against you. That's a wrestling show. 475 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: So and I know it's evolved and changed over the years, 476 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: but in the heart of a wrestling show, that's what 477 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: it is. So not everyone has to talk. And by 478 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: the way, not every actor on every network is a 479 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: great actor. Okay, I look at the movies I did 480 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: when I first started, compared to when I stopped, my 481 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: work got a lot better near the end than it 482 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 1: was at the beginning. So maybe that's where their argument 483 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: falls flat. But it's their perspective, so it's not gonna 484 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: it's not gonna change with me just saying no, you're wrong, 485 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: and here's why nobody's trying to hear that. So I've 486 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: always run into massive brick walls and I and again, 487 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: these are people that like me. These are people that 488 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: I've sold things to in the past. These are people 489 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: that I've taken no money at all and just said, hey, 490 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: you need to meet my friend. They have a great 491 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: idea and everything worked. Like they trust my opinion on 492 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: these things. So to go in there and get just 493 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: shot down universally time and time again, it's very, very frustrating, 494 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: to the point where, like, my dream is to have 495 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: my own wrestling federation one day, right, that's my like 496 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: final retirement project. And I had to change my whole 497 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: perspective on it, which was I have to have enough 498 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: money for two years of failure. I'm gonna let it 499 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 1: fail for two years while constantly working to build bridges, 500 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: open up connections, find homes for it to the point 501 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: where it can finally start financing itself, paying the wrestlers themselves, 502 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: providing insurance for the wrestlers, things like that, things that 503 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: I feel are important. And if if it can't, then 504 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: I'll fail and in that venture and I'll move on 505 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: to something else. But that's what's necessary in order for 506 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: me to try and jump into this train. And I 507 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: don't want to compete with w W E or a 508 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: e W. I just want to kind of have my 509 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: own thing and have it on smaller channels, smaller networks. 510 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: Have it be a SAG show so that they're all 511 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: Screen Actors Guild, that's what SAG stands for, and then 512 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: they can have some insurance for as long as that 513 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: union lasts. I'm sure there's some scheme to bust that 514 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: one up too, But if it's still there, than uh 515 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: than Yeah, But I've been uh I went back to work. 516 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: I'm excited for it. I'm putting together my little my 517 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: little wrestling well what do they call that, my little 518 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: piggy bank, But there's a cooler word I can't think of. Anyway, 519 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm putting some money in there for the next year 520 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: and a half, a little over a year and a 521 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: half and then I'm going in on my indie wrestling brand. 522 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: And that's about setting small goals and then finishing with 523 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: something great, which is the moral of each podcast for you, 524 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: my friends. Thank you guys for listening. I'll see all 525 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: of you next week and make sure you check out 526 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: everything here on the Michael Jorter Network. They're doing cool 527 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: things and I'm very happy to be a part of it. 528 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: So thanks guys, to see you next week. This has 529 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: been a production of I Hearts Michael podcast Network. For 530 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: more podcasts for My Heart Radio, visit the I Heart 531 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 532 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: favorite shows.