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Speaker 1: Buck Brief. This episode, Michael Malice back in the hot seat.
Speaker 1: And look, Michael is the host of your welcome, which
Speaker 1: is fantastic. He's an author, He's a super interesting guy.
Speaker 1: Don't tell him I said that, Michael. The second assassination
Speaker 1: attempt on Donald Trump just happened.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts, second known assassination attempt? Yeah, Trump,
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't know how many. I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: many many assassination attempts on all presidents that we're not
Speaker 2: privy to, and we shouldn't be privy to. So people
Speaker 2: are our workarounds. I was on Rogan not that long ago,
Speaker 2: and Rogan had asked me, do you think they're going
Speaker 2: to do it again? And I said yes, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: me too. Immediately, I think this is I'm more concerned
Speaker 2: because I don't think this guy had had a chance.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like he was closed. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: think President Trump was actually in danger, sure, but I'm
Speaker 2: more concerned about the fact that there's no come to
Speaker 2: Jesus moment with the media about Okay, what's our part
Speaker 2: in this? Because we've heard for years about rhetoric, dangerous rhetoric,
Speaker 2: dangerous rhetoric, Gabby Gifford's, you know, all this other stuff,
Speaker 2: and then someone actually pulls the trigger and it's just
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this. Lester Holt was
Speaker 2: blaming Trump's rhetoric for this. I mean, did you see
Speaker 2: how he was dressed. I mean, he had a coming.
Speaker 1: Not only the lesser hole clip that I saw. He
Speaker 1: says that it's Trump gets you know, Trump had another
Speaker 1: attempted assassination. Maybe this will change Trump's rhetoric about how
Speaker 1: it affects the Haitian migrants in Springfield. It was just
Speaker 1: it was just mental gymnastics of the most dishonest kind
Speaker 1: on display. But I guess this is the media has
Speaker 1: got nothing else because they can't show us more Kamala
Speaker 1: that much. They know they can't have Kamala actually out
Speaker 1: there campaigning like a normal presidential anity.
Speaker 2: But Bucket's also you can't have people viewing Trump as
Speaker 2: a human being because if there was just even this
Speaker 2: moment of Okay, this guy's terrible, His policies are bad.
Speaker 2: You know, Like in two thousand and eight, Barack Obama
Speaker 2: was like, I think John McCain's a great man. I
Speaker 2: just think he's wrong and everything. If they can't even
Speaker 2: say that about Trump, yeah, it has to be that
Speaker 2: he's this existential demon. That and at that point it's like, well,
Speaker 2: if this person is this existential demon, isn't it appropriate
Speaker 2: to take what interactions necessary? You can't simultaneously say someone
Speaker 2: is the biggest threat to America since the Civil War
Speaker 2: and then also claim that committing violence against them is
Speaker 2: somehow beyond the pale.
Speaker 1: How do they get around that? I mean, that's people
Speaker 1: have really picked up on this. If someone is Hitler like,
Speaker 1: violence against them is completely justified, right or mintigated or
Speaker 1: or manded. So how can they say Trump is a
Speaker 1: Hitler like figure, would bring fascism to America, would end democracy?
Speaker 1: And this is from the Kamala campaign. When you say
Speaker 1: someone is a threat to democracy, See that is not
Speaker 1: a claim that was being That is, you know, routinely
Speaker 1: made about other Republicans stretching back for a long time now.
Speaker 1: A lot of nasty things I'll say about them, but
Speaker 1: not they're they're going to end the country. If someone's
Speaker 1: going to end the country, what is not justifiable?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know, ife you you know this,
Speaker 2: but in twenty twenty, both Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton
Speaker 2: were blaming the violence in the rioting on Trump's America.
Speaker 2: And you know this is this is at his fault,
Speaker 2: at his feet. So I am I'm concerned that they're
Speaker 2: not concerned because if there was as much of a
Speaker 2: meltdown over what happened, you know, in Butler, Pennsylvania, as
Speaker 2: there is on a daily basis about climate change, which
Speaker 2: even if it's true, is going to take decades to
Speaker 2: screw things up. This is happening right now in the
Speaker 2: middle of an election year. I think one of the
Speaker 2: biggest threats to democracy is assassinating people. Like that's a
Speaker 2: pretty big threat to democracy. Well, you know, I get
Speaker 2: to vote for somebody because they were murdered.
Speaker 1: Well, and as we know, there have been assassinations that
Speaker 1: have led to well led the First World War, have
Speaker 1: have led to horrendous, very broad consequences historically.
Speaker 2: If anyone who's yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a basic student of history would see that this
Speaker 1: is the risk we run. I mean, I am curious.
Speaker 1: What do you think would have happened? If let's just say,
Speaker 1: I'm still very worried about Trump's safety right now. I
Speaker 1: continue to be worried about this going forward. You two are,
Speaker 1: of course, are you're crazy.
Speaker 2: Like I mean yours food, But I mean, I'm sorry
Speaker 2: this secret Look, I'm not a Secret Service operative. I'm
Speaker 2: not a gunsman like you know many of your listeners are.
Speaker 2: And I mean this with great honor, but you and
Speaker 2: I if we went to that field in Butler, we
Speaker 2: would have seen that roof. It's this is not some
Speaker 2: kind of weird, you know, cryptic magic eye thing.
Speaker 1: Well, this is my concern I've been saying this today
Speaker 1: on the radio, Michael, is because of what we saw
Speaker 1: in Butler. Every lunatic who thinks that they're morally justified
Speaker 1: in going after Trump believe eves they could take him out.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's the mystique of the
Speaker 1: Secret Service is gone. No one thinks that these are
Speaker 1: these guys are you know, like super warriors who are
Speaker 1: always on it. Really they're just kind of bossy at
Speaker 1: like charity events and uh and you know, political fundraisers
Speaker 1: to people who pose no threat and then missed the obvious.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just that's been my experience with the
Speaker 1: Secret Service, and that's that's what we've all seen in
Speaker 1: terms of their ability to deflect threats. So, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think Trump is under continued threat. And if they had
Speaker 1: taken them out in Butler, what what do you think
Speaker 1: that what happens? What would have happened to the country.
Speaker 2: I don't want to think about it, because there's a
Speaker 2: couple of scenarios. One is that the mag of people,
Speaker 2: regardless as having truthfully or not been a deep state
Speaker 2: operation and poop really hits the fan. Yeah, or even
Speaker 2: more likely but scarier, is that the Biden administration uses
Speaker 2: this as an excuse to clamp down on freedoms and really,
Speaker 2: you know, make the COVID experience look like kindergarten because
Speaker 2: now they can say, look, violence is out of control,
Speaker 2: guns are out of control, We're locking stuff down in
Speaker 2: a draconian way, and they would have a lot of
Speaker 2: support and the media twenty four to seven would be saying,
Speaker 2: this is what we need to do. We can't let
Speaker 2: this happen again. They would make Trump a martyr for
Speaker 2: their cause.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point, and I think that's all.
Speaker 1: That's all very true, which is stunning when you actually
Speaker 1: think about it. We'll come back into this in a second.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the Kamala campaign. Is
Speaker 1: this really Is this sustainable in a way where they
Speaker 1: can push her across the finished line or not. You know,
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Speaker 1: even though people had very interesting opinions about the debate,
Speaker 1: the Kamala campaign is losing. Do you think they can
Speaker 1: turn that around owned or is this in the Is
Speaker 1: this a campaign in terminal decline?
Speaker 2: But she's she's really like the mascot. I think people
Speaker 2: need to realize that. I think on some conscious, subconcious level,
Speaker 2: people do just like Biden was the mascot of the
Speaker 2: Democrats in twenty twenty. No one's voting for Biden, right,
Speaker 2: they were voting for to stop Trump. But with the
Speaker 2: voting for the Democrats, they can easily drag her across
Speaker 2: the finish line. There's a few scenarios. It could be
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two where people are expecting Republican victory, and
Speaker 2: it kind of trickled across the finish line. It could
Speaker 2: be twenty twenty where they do drag the carcass, you know,
Speaker 2: into the White House, or it could be twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: I expect, if I have to make a prediction gun
Speaker 2: to head, that she's going to be overconfident because of
Speaker 2: how well that debate went for her, and she's going
Speaker 2: to have a few more interviews and when this broad
Speaker 2: goes off script, that's when hilarity ensues. She's more of
Speaker 2: a gaff machine than Biden was at his worst. So
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a lot of that before
Speaker 2: now and November. But I do think if I had
Speaker 2: to bet mine, I would give him about an eighty
Speaker 2: percent chance of winning. Right now.
Speaker 1: I've always thought that Biden because it was apparent that
Speaker 1: he was foggy and and old, like really old, right
Speaker 1: that even when he would say weird things, he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: like he's an old guy. With Kamala, You're just like,
Speaker 1: what is wrong with this person? She's not that old,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You heard what I said on Rogan right, No, so
Speaker 2: you might have to bleep this out I said, going
Speaker 2: after her, you know, you're both racist, sexist, and ablest,
Speaker 2: and he goes ablest. They go, yeah, because she's literally retarded.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad to report that everyone understood what I
Speaker 2: meant by that word. Not one person thought I was
Speaker 2: making fun of someone who is mentally disabled. Because there's
Speaker 2: something fundamentally wrong with her. She's either drunk all the
Speaker 2: time like you and I. Either you or I are
Speaker 2: any podcast host we know if we were given those
Speaker 2: questions by Dana Bash, would have been able to give
Speaker 2: a better Kamala answer than she did, be able to
Speaker 2: put forth her positions better than she did. Yes, the
Speaker 2: amateur hour from beginning, and by the other thing is,
Speaker 2: by all reports, as you know and as your viewers know,
Speaker 2: she's apparently a nightmare to work with. So not only
Speaker 2: is she awful, she's not taking notes. Now. That debate
Speaker 2: was to the contrary. Someone sat her down and said,
Speaker 2: here's what you're gonna do, and she did.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think she. I think she memorized lines. I
Speaker 1: think honestly everything she All that happened was they're like,
Speaker 1: when they mentioned something about the economy, here's what you
Speaker 1: say when they mentioned something. It doesn't matter what and
Speaker 1: but people also I get a little bit of trouble.
Speaker 1: There's even some of my own like inner circle friends,
Speaker 1: UH I can tell you have come after me on this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, so like, well, they gave her the questions,
Speaker 1: I'm like, so what. First of all, we can't prove it,
Speaker 1: but second of all, we all know what the questions
Speaker 1: are basically going to be. Like It's there were no
Speaker 1: gotcha questions that were you know, who is the prime
Speaker 1: minister of uh I don't know Botswana or or Bangladesh
Speaker 1: or something like. It just was pretty straightforward stuff. They
Speaker 1: did ask him about the Kamala you know, the race
Speaker 1: identity thing, but you know that was just them being moderators,
Speaker 1: were all on the tank for one side. It's not
Speaker 1: like if Trump had had you know, had had fore
Speaker 1: knowledge of that answer, it would have made some big
Speaker 1: difference anyway or that question. Rather, so I think that
Speaker 1: that gets too focused in and out. But yeah, Kamala
Speaker 1: did her homework, which is interesting because usually she's criticized
Speaker 1: for being somebody for being someone who won't do the
Speaker 1: reading before she goes in. But I mean, I think
Speaker 1: she's a uniquely awful candidate, and and to me, Trump
Speaker 1: has to win this because there's no way to spin
Speaker 1: losing to Kamala Harris, Like there's no COVID, there's no
Speaker 1: you know, great existential excuse out there that you can
Speaker 1: reach for. It's the second time he's got to win.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm actually very confident Trump will win.
Speaker 2: Well, there is a way to spin it, and that
Speaker 2: is they're gonna say it was stolen right again.
Speaker 1: Do you think they're gonna Do you think they would
Speaker 1: say it's stolen again the second time?
Speaker 2: Do you have any doubt? I don't think she's because
Speaker 2: buck she's uniquely awful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know if you can get I
Speaker 1: don't know if that will let you're right that I
Speaker 1: think people will say that, no question, But is that
Speaker 1: is that going to be? Like most people that I
Speaker 1: know on the right think that there was cheating in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election and that Trump would have won
Speaker 1: without that cheating. I think that that number may go
Speaker 1: from you know, sixty seventy percent maybe more of Republicans
Speaker 1: to like twenty thirty percent. You don't see it that way, No, And.
Speaker 2: I also in a sense, I think it's irrelevant whether
Speaker 2: she gets in legitimately or not, because as someone who
Speaker 2: doesn't believe in democracy, there's no reason for you, if
Speaker 2: you lose your election to take someone seriously. I mean,
Speaker 2: this woman's a fraud. She has no mandate to governor,
Speaker 2: even if she wins. Her views are fundamentally you know,
Speaker 2: un American in a sense that I think a vast
Speaker 2: majority of like these things about like like sex change.
Speaker 2: Her views are so nuts that journalists were fact checking,
Speaker 2: putting forth reviews. They didn't bother doing the googling because like,
Speaker 2: this is so crazy, she never believe it, and then
Speaker 2: they have to walk it back. If you saw it
Speaker 2: in New York Times, that is your correction, because it
Speaker 2: turns out she did, in fact, advocate for federally funded
Speaker 2: sex change operations.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I did see that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like it's like, oh god, you crazy Republicans are putting
Speaker 2: words in her mouth. It's like, no, these are her
Speaker 2: words in her mouth, you know, banning fracking, plastic. The
Speaker 2: thing that's also funny is when she had that interview
Speaker 2: with Dana and from CNN, and she's like, used to
Speaker 2: be against fracking, banning fracking, Now, what's your position? She goes,
Speaker 2: I've made it clear, I've changed my opinion. Okay, why
Speaker 2: like what's she like? Why? Like?
Speaker 1: So how how has she made it clear?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: It's always through surrogates of the campaign who are anonymously
Speaker 1: reporting to friendly outlets like well, that's no longer as
Speaker 1: if that ends the you know what I mean that
Speaker 1: that that like ends the whole thing, Like, oh well,
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Speaker 1: I'm saying in the winter time it gets kind of cold,
Speaker 1: but not that cold.
Speaker 2: Right one day there's forty There was one time that
Speaker 2: there was snow and basically all the electricity stopped working.
Speaker 1: Oh I remember that. Yeah, they weren't really ready for
Speaker 1: that there, And I think I think one of my
Speaker 1: favorite senators unfortunately took a little trip to like the
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Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question? Yes, it looks to
Speaker 2: me that West Virginia is obviously going Republican in the Senate. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it seems like Tester's a gunner. Do you think it's
Speaker 2: a given that the Republicans take the Senate?
Speaker 1: I get I think they'll have fifty one. I do.
Speaker 1: I think that the I think that the outcome of
Speaker 1: them not having fifty one would require an astonishing own
Speaker 1: goal kind of situation. To be fair, though, they've had
Speaker 1: a couple of those in Georgia, which three really actually
Speaker 1: three Senate sa it's lost in Georgia, all of which
Speaker 1: absolutely should have been one at Alabama. Oh yeah, there's
Speaker 1: the Alabama thing too. So wait, who was it in Alabama?
Speaker 2: It was that sheriff remember there or whatever his name was,
Speaker 2: where they were saying he had all these weird things
Speaker 2: in the yearbook.
Speaker 1: Oh the yearbook stuff. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a while ago. Yeah, man, I think that the Senate
Speaker 1: is probably going to go our way. I'm a little worried.
Speaker 1: Eric Hovedy is running against Tammy Baldwin, she's just one
Speaker 1: of these. She just knows the Democrat system so well.
Speaker 1: She's got like a Wisconsin accent, and she does the
Speaker 1: whole Wisconsin thing to people in Wisconsin and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm a nice Wisconsin And then she goes and just
Speaker 1: hangs out with hedge fund managers in New York, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, with with her wife or her girlfriend or whatever,
Speaker 1: and like goes to fancy parties and does the exact
Speaker 1: bidding of Chuck Schumer and the Democrat establishment. Then goes
Speaker 1: back to Wisconsin and is like, oh, no, I'm what.
Speaker 2: She'd meet Tommy Thompson, who had won like eight statewide
Speaker 2: races that's when she first got elected. I'm not mistaken
Speaker 2: that woman knows what she's doing.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. Yeah, she's the Democrat you
Speaker 1: don't want to run against because she knows the playbook,
Speaker 1: she's got the funding, and you know, Huvedy is a
Speaker 1: wealthy guy and he's a smart guy. But it's just
Speaker 1: really tough because these Democrats, you know, they know the
Speaker 1: game they're playing, they know how to win. So I'm
Speaker 1: worried about that Wisconsin seat. I think that it would
Speaker 1: probably get the fifty one. I feel very good about
Speaker 1: Trump's chances, mostly just because I I've never felt this
Speaker 1: way before. I thought Trump was gonna lose to Hillary
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, even though I voted for Trump. I
Speaker 1: supported Trump, but I thought I I was like, look,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna you know, I believe that should never
Speaker 1: say this. I believe the New York Times. I thought
Speaker 1: she was gonna win. And then in twenty twenty, I
Speaker 1: thought Trump was going to win, but I had concerns,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: So I wasn't I wasn't super surprised at the whole,
Speaker 1: but especially people forget this. There were articles that were
Speaker 1: saying things like, oh, whoever wins may not be winning
Speaker 1: on election night. That happened before. Those articles were coming
Speaker 1: out before the election, and I was reading them, I'm like, uh,
Speaker 1: this mal in ballot thing is probably gonna really upset
Speaker 1: some folks, you know, cheating not cheating whatever. And then
Speaker 1: but this time around, I just, honestly and maybe this
Speaker 1: is like the worst attitude to take. I just can't
Speaker 1: imagine waking up and Kamala Harris as one. I just
Speaker 1: it's unfathomable to me, and maybe that's the worst approach
Speaker 1: to have, but I just can't think it possible.
Speaker 2: I'll just make two more points. I think if Trump
Speaker 2: does win, Ohio is going to swing Republican with the
Speaker 2: coattails Sharon Brown. I mean, he's a solid Democratic candidate,
Speaker 2: but Trump Ohio is going hard right, hard right, excuse me,
Speaker 2: in recent years, and I think people don't realize how
Speaker 2: much it's moved. I also think that if she gets in,
Speaker 2: this would be the first time I think in like
Speaker 2: our lifetimes where the income and president doesn't have the Senate.
Speaker 2: She would have fifty one Republican so that would be
Speaker 2: really weird. And I think her agenda would be dead
Speaker 2: on day one, so that would be very interesting to
Speaker 2: see what would happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we always think of it like whoever
Speaker 1: wins the press. I mean, I shouldn't say we always
Speaker 1: think of it, but there is a pro there is
Speaker 1: a tendency to think whoever win's a presidency, it's like
Speaker 1: their agenda. And if Kamala wins and Republicans have the Senate,
Speaker 1: she's getting nothing done. Basically, there'll be a lot of
Speaker 1: executive orders fights in the courts a lot of investigations.
Speaker 2: I think they're going to be out for blood. I
Speaker 2: think going to see a lot of the COVID stuff
Speaker 2: being investigated because Ran Paul and Mike Lee will be emboldened.
Speaker 2: And that's to their credit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, I'm still very angry that one
Speaker 1: of my great disappointments in humanity is how much people
Speaker 1: were duped during COVID. Is you and I talked about
Speaker 1: this a lot during COVID, and how just upset I
Speaker 1: was at human nature that people were just we're like
Speaker 1: pack animals, like sheep, I mean, not like wolves like sheep.
Speaker 1: We're just, you know, as long as we're safe and
Speaker 1: fed and warm, nothing else seems to matter for a
Speaker 1: lot of people, for most people, And that there was
Speaker 1: no accountability for Democrats, and that even people on the right.
Speaker 1: Now I get this on my show, I'll be like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that they had vaccine passports for a
Speaker 1: vaccine that was effectively pointless. And you guys don't care anymore? People, right, No,
Speaker 1: don't care. Let's talk about, you know, the next Trump
Speaker 1: agenda item or something. I'm like, all right, I'm.
Speaker 2: More upset about buck is that people and I see
Speaker 2: this on Twitter. I bring it up. People that give
Speaker 2: me their answers that aren't retweeted, people who weren't allowed
Speaker 2: to have funerals. That, to me is much worse that
Speaker 2: you couldn't say. If you care about it's all about
Speaker 2: saving Grandma. When Grandma passes, you can't say goodbye to her. That,
Speaker 2: to me is the unforgivable one the passports. I could
Speaker 2: wrap my head around more in terms of Okay, it's
Speaker 2: a new since, but this is this is well, you're
Speaker 2: one shot to.
Speaker 1: Get uns Yes, but I'm Michael. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: we're going back into COVID thing here. They didn't let
Speaker 1: people say goodbye to their loved ones who were dying
Speaker 1: in hospital of non COVID stuff. So you know, Grandma's
Speaker 1: battling cancer, she's at the end of the road. You
Speaker 1: want to give her one more hug? Not allowed?
Speaker 2: Even if you suit give me a has met suit. Fine,
Speaker 2: I'll pay for it. I don't care.
Speaker 1: It was monstrous, monstrous stuff what they did. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm never letting it go and I'm never forgetting it.
Speaker 1: And people can think that I'm crazy, but I think
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Speaker 1: ask you this. This guy who took the shots, or sorry,
Speaker 1: who wanted to take shots. He got shot at, but
Speaker 1: he didn't get to get a shot off at Trump.
Speaker 1: Seems like Ukraine is far and away the most important
Speaker 1: thing to this guy on the planet. What is that? Like?
Speaker 1: How are their Americans who think that but the single
Speaker 1: most important thing in the world is supporting Ukraine in
Speaker 1: this moment, Like, take me into the mindset.
Speaker 2: I'm from Ukraine, I was born there. I think there's
Speaker 2: a lot of this idea in the war machine that
Speaker 2: backs the media that at any moment America. You know,
Speaker 2: when I talk about national divorce, a lot of these
Speaker 2: boomers come at me and say, if that happens, then
Speaker 2: China's gonna invade tomorrow. I'm like, give me this scenario
Speaker 2: where China invades Texas, Like like, like, what in the
Speaker 2: logistics here? What's the supply shap? It makes no sense,
Speaker 2: but there is this big sense for a thing for
Speaker 2: a lot of people. And this guy was a little
Speaker 2: older that they have this Cold War mentality and that
Speaker 2: you know, if you're the Domino theory, if Ukraine falls,
Speaker 2: then tomorrow Putin's in Berlin, and then he's in London
Speaker 2: and the next day he's in Miami. It doesn't really
Speaker 2: make much sense. And I also, as someone from Ukraine,
Speaker 2: am very disheartened because it seems very clear that a
Speaker 2: lot of NATO and other allies have a gun to
Speaker 2: Zelyyinski's head and A're telling him you're not cutting in deal, like,
Speaker 2: you have to keep fighting no matter how many of
Speaker 2: your people are slaughtered, and the pointlessness continues, and that
Speaker 2: to me is very disheartening.
Speaker 1: What do you think then, for that group, the end
Speaker 1: state is the total expulsion of all Russian forces from
Speaker 1: Ukrainian soil by military force of arms, because it seems
Speaker 1: to me like that's a recipe for fighting for another
Speaker 1: I don't know, ten years, fifteen years, tens of thousands
Speaker 1: more dead on both sides at least.
Speaker 2: Their logic would also be, well, you got to take
Speaker 2: Putin out right, because if you did it once, you
Speaker 2: have to teach him a lesson. So like, is that
Speaker 2: really where you How do you get there? Like, even
Speaker 2: if I agree with you that Putin's an evil guy
Speaker 2: and authoritarian all this other stuff, what is your scenario
Speaker 2: for getting him out of power? I would love to
Speaker 2: hear it because this whole we went through this with Saddam,
Speaker 2: which is Iraq was nothing compared to Russia, let's be clear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was.
Speaker 2: A whole cluster for years, including for the Iraqi people.
Speaker 2: So what is your scenario here? So whenever people are
Speaker 2: like you, we have to fight to the last minute.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is your end goal? How do you
Speaker 2: see this ending? And never have a good answer, or
Speaker 2: at least an answer that I find coaching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm also I'm just sort of curiously do
Speaker 1: you think that Do you think that Trump will be
Speaker 1: helpful in trying to get a deal done? I mean,
Speaker 1: do you have confidence that he will? Because that's one
Speaker 1: area where I I can't I couldn't explain to somebody better.
Speaker 1: Then I think he actually would sit down with Putin
Speaker 1: and be like you're making a deal, and sit down
Speaker 1: with his lion skin and be like you're making a deal,
Speaker 1: and no one's gonna tell Trump not to do that.
Speaker 2: Russians appreciate this kind of grabbing his pants, blow hard
Speaker 2: personality type far more than this kind of a feat
Speaker 2: guy and his diaper in a wheelchair. Like I can
Speaker 2: tell you from my personal upbringing, that energy would be
Speaker 2: much more conducive because then there's no loss of face
Speaker 2: on Putin's part. If Trump gets in his face and
Speaker 2: Putin's backs quote unquote backs down a little, it's not
Speaker 2: gonna make Putin look bad If he backs down to
Speaker 2: Joe Biden or Kamlala Harris. He's never going to live
Speaker 2: it down back home.
Speaker 1: Michael Malice, everybody check out. You're welcome. Fantastic s with
Speaker 1: Michael Malice. You may have seen him on his numerous
Speaker 1: appearances on the Joe Rogan podcast by the Way, which
Speaker 1: is almost as awesome as the Buck Sexton Side podcast here.
Speaker 1: Almost as awesome, but great to have you man, Michael,
Speaker 1: appreciate you making the time you see