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Speaker 1: Welcome to Know Your Foe on Colts dot Com and

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Speaker 1: in depth wook at the upcoming matchup. Here are your

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Speaker 1: host Casey Valier and former Colts wide receiver Bill Brooks.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into another installment of Know Your Foe right here

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Speaker 1: on Colts dot Com. I'm your host, Casey Valiam. We

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Speaker 1: are joined as always by Coulturing of honor wide receiver

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Speaker 1: Bill Brooks. We are gearing up for the first Christmas

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Speaker 1: Night battle for the Colts and franchise history, and they're

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Speaker 1: doing so in the desert as they take on the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. And to get us up to date is

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban, who is a senior writer for Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: dot com. Darren, thank you so much for taking us

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Speaker 1: a time to talk with us, No problem, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. I want to start off by the way

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals started this season. They won their first seven

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Speaker 1: games before falling to the Packers. And here in Indy,

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Speaker 1: you know, we played the Seahawks and the Rams to

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Speaker 1: start the season, and those were kind of two of

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Speaker 1: the teams we thought we'll be battling for the top spot.

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Speaker 1: How shocked were you at the fast start the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: got off to I don't know if I was necessarily

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Speaker 1: extended fast start that they have obviously going seven to no,

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Speaker 1: especially with the schedule that they had early. They had

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Speaker 1: pretty good. So, you know, did I expect seven and Oh,

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Speaker 1: of course I didn't. But I think there were expectations

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Speaker 1: So from that standpoint, not a surprise. Now you look

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Speaker 1: at the way that's kind of gone after that first

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Speaker 1: seven games start, I know, things haven't been nearly as smooth.

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Speaker 1: There's been some injuries that have happened. You know what

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Speaker 1: do you think the reason for that is? Of maybe

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Speaker 1: the recent struggles they've had. You know, it's it's hard

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Speaker 1: that was one of the reasons that up until last

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Speaker 1: week they hadn't lost on the road. And you know,

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Speaker 1: they they've used a formula that quite frankly, any team

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Speaker 1: of the season they've created turnovers. They have not turned

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Speaker 1: were able to play from ahead and their defense taken

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Speaker 1: advantage of that. And that it sounds so simple to do.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you don't necessarily do it every game, but that's

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Speaker 1: a big reason why they've got ten victories. Right now, Hey, Darren,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the running backs now. Chase

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Speaker 1: agent James kind of stepped in in his absence. Now

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Speaker 1: having both backs back in the lane, up, what do

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Speaker 1: you expect this Cardinals running game? Well, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think in Cliff Kingsbury put it best this week, this

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Speaker 1: important now that they got Chase Edmonds back because now

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Speaker 1: it's Connor who's dealing with some injuries. You know, I

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Speaker 1: so we'll see where that goes. But I mean, Connor

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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, these guys have been the

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Speaker 1: going to going into this final stretch with Kristen kirk,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Kyler Murray uh needs to kind of find

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Speaker 1: He was his most inaccurate selfball season they need the

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Speaker 1: But they've got zach Ertz the tight end, and as

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Speaker 1: the things I want to touch how we're talking with

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban, senior writer for Arizona Cardinals dot Com. You

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Speaker 1: know they made a trade earlier in the year. You

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Speaker 1: talked about zach Er It's coming over to Philadelphia. What

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Speaker 1: know prior that the usage of tight ends was very

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Speaker 1: out well they lost. They wouldn't have made the trade

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Speaker 1: if it wasn't for Max Williams getting hurt. Max Williams

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Speaker 1: more crucial. It's always if you have a good tight

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing that that's where this game is going to start.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, if the Cardinals can be in

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Speaker 1: He was willing to do that. Then they drafted Xavin Collins,

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Speaker 1: they drafted him. Now I'm I want to move to

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Speaker 1: the secondary. This off season, there was a few changes

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Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler, who signed for the team in the off season,

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Speaker 1: retired a few months later. How has this secondary played

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Speaker 1: this year, led by Buddha Baker and Byan Murphy performed

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Speaker 1: It starts with Buddha, who's made the Pro Bowl again

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Speaker 1: want in a safety. I think Byron Murphy, Uh, with

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Speaker 1: all due respect to Patrick Peterson, I think it helped

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Speaker 1: Christmas Night in the desert. The Colts in Arizona to

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Speaker 1: Casey Valley. Enjoy the game and go Colts.