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Speaker 1: Church and Danny mccraig, two former Dallas Cowboys safety So
Speaker 1: the beauty of this show is they bring us football
Speaker 1: from their eyes as guys who've been in the locker room,
Speaker 1: who've played the game and have a better understanding of
Speaker 1: it then a guy like me and most Cowboy fans.
Speaker 1: So let us start off the show. Was something that
Speaker 1: just absolutely drove me crazy today and that was comments
Speaker 1: from former NFL quarterback Carson Palmer. So it's Super Bowl week,
Speaker 1: and during Super Bowl Week a lot of guys like
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer Emmitt Smith go around doing these promos for
Speaker 1: companies and they'll go on radio stations. So guy might
Speaker 1: be pitching tequila soft drinks copy inc. Whatever and they
Speaker 1: go on the show. So Carson Palmer was on one
Speaker 1: oh five three, the Fan of the Dallas Cowboys flagship station,
Speaker 1: and Carson told Sean and RJ that he thinks because
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is a Dallas Cowboys quarterback, he should take
Speaker 1: less money. That was his thought process, said, well, you
Speaker 1: look at you know, at one point in time you
Speaker 1: had Jason Witt and Tony Romo and Troy Aigman. All
Speaker 1: of these guys had made network TV jobs. It was
Speaker 1: because they all played for the Dallas Cowboys, and that
Speaker 1: Dad should be thinking about that. My first thought is
Speaker 1: what if Dad doesn't want to go in a TV
Speaker 1: What if Dax says I don't want it, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be a broadcaster. It's it's it just bugs
Speaker 1: me because why does Dak have to take less money?
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna lay it out here, Okay, Fellas, one
Speaker 1: of my issues is it becomes and it feels to
Speaker 1: me like it becomes the grateful negro argument. Hey man,
Speaker 1: you should just be happy that you get to play
Speaker 1: for mister Jones and the Dallas Cowboys. You should take
Speaker 1: whatever you can and help them out. No, Zeke didn't
Speaker 1: say you know what, man, I'm gonna take less so
Speaker 1: Dad can get paid. Dank didn't say I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: less so Dad couldn't get it and get paid. Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo played seven games and reset the market. Okay, he
Speaker 1: reset the market for a quarterback based off seven playoffs.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean seven games. None of them are
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Okay, seven football games. Andrew Luck set
Speaker 1: the market. Matthew Stafford set the market, Aaron Rodgers set
Speaker 1: the market. Russell Wilson set the market. But now Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott needs to be the dude that says, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take less money. Fellas, I have a problem.
Speaker 1: Tony Romo didn't take less money either, man, So so
Speaker 1: don't forget to leave Tony out of there. He didn't
Speaker 1: take less money so other people could could could make
Speaker 1: something to make the team better. So that was the
Speaker 1: last Cowboys quarterback that got paid a lot of bread.
Speaker 1: So so make sure you love him in there too.
Speaker 1: What nobody asking him to do? What they're asking Dad
Speaker 1: to do. And I think it's funny we always go
Speaker 1: into this the old school comment always be like then
Speaker 1: the old school. They always want to look at look
Speaker 1: at stuff how it was done back in the day,
Speaker 1: and they don't want to change and do all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Between him and what he said this week and what
Speaker 1: Brett Farve said about Deshaun Watson making so much money
Speaker 1: that he you know, we make too much money to
Speaker 1: have an opinion that is some old school, crazy way
Speaker 1: of thinking that you just not in the new century
Speaker 1: and we don't think that way. Millennials, jen x and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. They don't think that way. So they
Speaker 1: can say that all they want to, and it's going
Speaker 1: to continue to be wrong and people will continue to
Speaker 1: knock them down for it because it don't make no sense.
Speaker 1: One get out of their pockets too. You ain't even
Speaker 1: there no more. So stop speaking on this man. You
Speaker 1: don't know him, You don't know what's happening with the
Speaker 1: end of workings of the organization. And when you're speaking
Speaker 1: on that, this dude was a fourth round draft pick,
Speaker 1: hasn't got a chance to get his big payday. And
Speaker 1: when it's time for him to get his big pay day,
Speaker 1: the team hasn't paid him for two years, and you're
Speaker 1: consistently telling him to take less money so he can
Speaker 1: go speak as an NFL broadcasters. Makes no sense. The
Speaker 1: dudes in his twenties, you're talking about what he should
Speaker 1: be doing when he's thirty five and forty years old.
Speaker 1: Get out of here. Yeah, yeah, it makes no sense.
Speaker 1: I mean, Dan mc I agree with you one hundred
Speaker 1: percent on this one. I mean Carson Palmer's his comments
Speaker 1: to me, they were out of pocket. I mean, first
Speaker 1: of all, you shouldn't be in the business of counting
Speaker 1: other man's money, like, you know, let him be him,
Speaker 1: Let him get as much money as he can. If
Speaker 1: it's with the Dallas Cowboys, fine, If it's somewhere else,
Speaker 1: that's great as well. But Dak Prescott deserves his money
Speaker 1: and he should get paid as such. And for all
Speaker 1: these guys telling them to take discounts, take haircuts, and
Speaker 1: all this other stuff, he shouldn't do that because because
Speaker 1: the organizations don't do that. When they're taking TV deals
Speaker 1: and they're doing all these all these different type of deals,
Speaker 1: they're not taking discounts off they're not doing haircuts. Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones isn't giving these TV guys a discount. Also, why
Speaker 1: should why should Dak Prescott do that as well? I
Speaker 1: just don't see that in and when they talk about
Speaker 1: off the field stuff when you when you're a Dallas Cowboy,
Speaker 1: you get all this money off the field, that is true,
Speaker 1: but a lot of it is the play on the field.
Speaker 1: Like Quincy Carter was a quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Do you think he had all these national programs and
Speaker 1: all these national commercials. No, because he wasn't doing as
Speaker 1: well on the field as Dak Prescott. So for me,
Speaker 1: if I'm Dak Prescott, you gotta get all the money
Speaker 1: that you can and make sure you don't give anybody
Speaker 1: discounts because this NFL thing is not for long. It's
Speaker 1: only a short period of your life, So get as
Speaker 1: much money as you can. Now, as far as the
Speaker 1: Brett five comments, I mean, he's completely out of pocket.
Speaker 1: I mean this is like, this is like, this is
Speaker 1: a loanal lines of shut up and dribble type argument,
Speaker 1: and I just can't deal with it. And I just
Speaker 1: can't believe Bret fare would even go out there and
Speaker 1: make those comments. Here's the hypocrisy of Brett Farve. For
Speaker 1: a while, Farv was holding Ted Thompson, who was running
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers, and a hostage mode. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm gonna play next year. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I got to think about anything about So he was
Speaker 1: kind of waffling in this whole retirement thing for a minute.
Speaker 1: And so what did Ted Thompson do without drafted Aaron Rodgers. Well,
Speaker 1: now Brett Farvall. So now now now he's in. And
Speaker 1: then Brett decides to retire. Then Brett wanted to come back,
Speaker 1: and Ted Thompson said, no, you can't come back. And
Speaker 1: then Brett said, well, let me compete for the job,
Speaker 1: and Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy said no, Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is the guy. So then Brett said, trade me to Minnesota.
Speaker 1: They're like, we ain't trade you in the division, man, No,
Speaker 1: And so they've worked it out that Brett could go
Speaker 1: to the New York Jets, and they traded him over
Speaker 1: to the AFC. So then he decides to retire from
Speaker 1: the Jets. After he plays a year, he retires and
Speaker 1: asked them to release it. Then he comes back, We'll
Speaker 1: guess who he's playing for. He's playing for Minnesota. And
Speaker 1: then okay, remember now they ended up. Well, one summer
Speaker 1: he was sitting at his sitting at his farm, and
Speaker 1: he didn't know if he wanted to come back, so
Speaker 1: they'd tell everybody to go on down. They tell everybody
Speaker 1: to going down to the Mississippi and convince him to
Speaker 1: come back and play another year. I mean, this thing
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. You're talking about the ultimate deva and the
Speaker 1: guy who wanted things his own way, and then he's
Speaker 1: when Aaron Rodgers was drafting, was like, I ain't helping him.
Speaker 1: It's not my job to help him. I mean, this
Speaker 1: guy's amazing the hypocrisy he wants to throw out here
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, you know, Deshaun Watson shouldn't
Speaker 1: be asking for a trade. You know who asked for
Speaker 1: a trade and got one. And he did the same
Speaker 1: thing about Matthew Stafford told lines, I want to play
Speaker 1: you any more. I mean, so so with Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: supposed to just shut up. I mean, come on, man,
Speaker 1: it's it's the constant thing of I'm gonna put my
Speaker 1: finger at this guy. I ain't gonna look at what
Speaker 1: I did. I mean, you well, I know this. I
Speaker 1: didn't forget what. Carson Palmer decided to quit the Cincinnati Beings.
Speaker 1: He quit, went home, said I ain't playing I ain't
Speaker 1: never gonna play for you again. And then after the
Speaker 1: Bengals played hardball, they ended up trading him to the Raiders.
Speaker 1: I just I just find it hilarious, man, when these
Speaker 1: guys want to sit up here and tell other dudes
Speaker 1: that they need to take less money. What is one
Speaker 1: thing that we've seen this offseason? The teams are desperate
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks. Okay, they're desperate for him, and we didn't
Speaker 1: bring up Kirk Cousins. But has anybody been paid more
Speaker 1: money in the NFL and delivered so little like Kirk Cousins. No,
Speaker 1: whoever gave anybody Sam Brafer and look never never gave discounts.
Speaker 1: So I just find it amazing that other people who
Speaker 1: don't give discounts it's all good, and people who haven't
Speaker 1: accomplished what Dak Prescott has accomplished. Now he's supposed to
Speaker 1: sit around here and give the Cowboys a discount. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: what listen, you continue with your point right after this,
Speaker 1: Remember it is Dak Prescott went out there, went out
Speaker 1: there this year, gave her everything he got and broke
Speaker 1: his leg, all right, And then coming off of that,
Speaker 1: after coming out there and putting your body on the
Speaker 1: line play, giving everything for your team in the organization.
Speaker 1: This dude, Carson Parmer says, Oh, by the way, when
Speaker 1: you come back, you should take a discount, man, because
Speaker 1: when when you're done, you might be able to be
Speaker 1: on TV. Get out of here. It don't make no sense, man,
Speaker 1: Football players like this is the most physical sport on
Speaker 1: earth to me, and you go out there and you
Speaker 1: risk everything you deserve to get paid what you asked for,
Speaker 1: especially when you performed like you like that. Prescott has
Speaker 1: been doing the carrying the team, and once you see
Speaker 1: how the team performed without him, you should say that
Speaker 1: you should be asking for more, not this bs that
Speaker 1: Carson farm whose Carson Parmer? Anyway? What I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about that dude. Look, I like Carson Palmer
Speaker 1: got got to cover Carson as a high school football
Speaker 1: player in southern California, and look, he was asked the
Speaker 1: guys from the fan asked in his opinion, and he
Speaker 1: gave it. I just disagree with the opinion. And there
Speaker 1: are other people out here who's who are backing him up.
Speaker 1: I had one guy on Twitter say, well, man, he
Speaker 1: needs to take less so they could keep Zeke and
Speaker 1: keep other people around him and not to beat up Zeke.
Speaker 1: But Zeke didn't give him no disc guy, he didn't say,
Speaker 1: you know what, man, let me leave by fifteen million
Speaker 1: on the table so we can go ahead and get
Speaker 1: Dak and I got a good quarterback. No, he wanted
Speaker 1: his Tank said it best. It's not my job to
Speaker 1: say the Cowboys money. And if we kind of go
Speaker 1: back eighteen months into this, can we not put this
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys. The Cowboys could have got him, should
Speaker 1: they could have got him, and should have got him
Speaker 1: when Winz got his deal and then Golf got his deal,
Speaker 1: and we were sitting here saying, hey, man, how long
Speaker 1: are you gonna wait? He's in the class of these guys.
Speaker 1: You should pay him. But people like, oh, he's not
Speaker 1: worth he's not worth thirty million. Remember that he worth
Speaker 1: thirty million. You shouldn't be paying a thirty million here. Well,
Speaker 1: guess what price, hag went up ten million? Okay, it's
Speaker 1: just gone up ten million, And it's the Cowboys fault.
Speaker 1: They're the ones who decided not to write the check.
Speaker 1: And if you're Dak Prescott, if they give you a
Speaker 1: franchise tag, you go in the next year and who
Speaker 1: knows where you can end up. Chicago got quarterback probs.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Gee's in his last year with the forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: and the forty nine ers could move off of them.
Speaker 1: But could you imagine Dak Prescott playing and Dak Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan system of the New England Patriots right now don't
Speaker 1: have a quarterback. There's teams in this league who need
Speaker 1: a quarterback. And if I'm Dak Prescott and if I
Speaker 1: can't come to an agreement with the Cowboys this year,
Speaker 1: this guy can go in the next year. He will
Speaker 1: find a home and he won't have to take take
Speaker 1: a discount at all. So do you so, do you
Speaker 1: think it's that they don't believe in him as a
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, because I mean, look, if he's that guy,
Speaker 1: he's the guy that they want so bad. I mean
Speaker 1: a year difference to me between a four year contract
Speaker 1: and a five year contract. If he's that guy, he's
Speaker 1: what you believe in. That shouldn't behold, that shouldn't be
Speaker 1: you know, stopping, that shouldn't be anything that shouldn't be
Speaker 1: in the way of getting a deal done to me.
Speaker 1: So what do you think Louie and Danny, like, what
Speaker 1: is it the belief factor or is it really just
Speaker 1: this four to five year thing, because I just really
Speaker 1: don't believe that if he's your guy. Listen, I'm going
Speaker 1: back to what I said a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: It's the belief factor to me. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I think this year was one of those proven years
Speaker 1: and then he got cut short because he ended up
Speaker 1: breaking his leg. I think if he takes the team
Speaker 1: to the playoffs and going to deep run, that four
Speaker 1: year deal is on the table. I think if they
Speaker 1: if he played the entire season, they end up seven
Speaker 1: to nine, six and ten, then that that four year
Speaker 1: deal is not on the table and they're looking at
Speaker 1: other options that quarterback. You know, it just so happens
Speaker 1: this year that he only made it through a portion
Speaker 1: of the season, so now they have to kind of
Speaker 1: way way the options of which way they want to go.
Speaker 1: But I think it's the belief factor, and it was
Speaker 1: a proven deal that he was playing on this year.
Speaker 1: I think you have to look at history and you say,
Speaker 1: who are some of the players that Cowboys have used
Speaker 1: the franchise tag on Tank Lawrence? They use it on
Speaker 1: Anthony Spencer, and what was the message show us show
Speaker 1: us one more year. That that was the message. And
Speaker 1: while the Cowboys can say, hey, look, we thought we
Speaker 1: had a deal at one time, and then the agent
Speaker 1: changed his mind, and then we wanted a deal at
Speaker 1: five years agent wanted for he's not signed, And you're
Speaker 1: now in a process where you've got to get a
Speaker 1: deal done here in the next seven to eight weeks
Speaker 1: or you're gonna risk, you know, really just blowing this
Speaker 1: thing up. And having looked for a quarterback in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, they can't. They cannot do another franchise tag
Speaker 1: with Dak Prescott. It's gonna be too cost prohibitors. So
Speaker 1: they're at this point time where they're going to have
Speaker 1: to get a deal done. And I don't care what
Speaker 1: anyone says. It favors the quarterback. Okay, some people like, oh,
Speaker 1: Jerry's got leverage because he got hurt. No he doesn't, No,
Speaker 1: he doesn't. I didn't think that Jared Goss contract could
Speaker 1: get moved and got moved. I didn't think anybody would
Speaker 1: give up a high one for Matthew Stafford. And there
Speaker 1: are a whole bunch of high ones that Detroit had
Speaker 1: that they could have gotten for matt Stafford. Outside of
Speaker 1: that two first rounders and a third round pick that
Speaker 1: they got from Matthew Stafford, you added Dak Prescott. The
Speaker 1: way this league is going to a mobile quarterback and
Speaker 1: a guy who's put up some good numbers here, this
Speaker 1: guy's gonna get he's gonna get a payday. He's gonna
Speaker 1: get to pay that. So either Cowboys are gonna give
Speaker 1: it to him or they're gonna risk somebody else giving
Speaker 1: it to him next year. By the way, I forgot
Speaker 1: to mention the gonna need a quarterback. If that if
Speaker 1: that was the first it was a first round pick,
Speaker 1: I believe he would have been signed. He would have
Speaker 1: been resigned to the Dallas Cowboys already. I think that
Speaker 1: that draft position is something that that that kind of
Speaker 1: just seeps in the head of owners in the top
Speaker 1: of the organization, because I don't know if that tag
Speaker 1: just sticks with him. But I believe that if he
Speaker 1: was he was the first round pick, like some of
Speaker 1: these other guys that are resigning early and getting four
Speaker 1: year deals for one hundred plus million dollars guarantee, I
Speaker 1: think that he would have been paid already. And that's
Speaker 1: what I don't understand why they didn't get it done.
Speaker 1: They had such a bargain for the first four years.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a fourth round pick. If you after
Speaker 1: his first two years, if you were to throw money
Speaker 1: at him, like a bag of money like that golf
Speaker 1: for that wins tape two, I'm sure he would have
Speaker 1: jumped all over that. You know, any performed better and
Speaker 1: better as it goes on each year. So for me,
Speaker 1: I just you know, I think that's just a mistake
Speaker 1: in front office. They should have gat him, gat him
Speaker 1: sound earlier, like Newly said, and then you know, we
Speaker 1: wouldn't be in this predicament as we speak. Now, let's
Speaker 1: kind of let's let's go back here a little bit
Speaker 1: of revisionist history because you bring up a good point Church,
Speaker 1: But come back to this. Remember when Ezekiel Elliott was
Speaker 1: holding out. At that time, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people saying this offense can't work without Zeke. It's all
Speaker 1: about Zeke. It all revolves around the run game. And
Speaker 1: he sits out, they decide they want to pay him.
Speaker 1: They pay him. First three games. Dak Prescott goes off.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's sensational. Was the Giants Miami and that
Speaker 1: I forgot who the others. He maybe was Washington, Maybe
Speaker 1: I think yeah was Washington. So those first three games, man,
Speaker 1: he was on fire. And then the price tag just
Speaker 1: just shot up. And we saw that Dak Prescott had
Speaker 1: improved as a player. So a part of that, you know,
Speaker 1: we're not sure is Dak able to carry the team?
Speaker 1: Is it all the offensive line? And Zeke? I mean
Speaker 1: you still had some of those people saying that and
Speaker 1: they worked thirty mil and the guy just went out
Speaker 1: there prove folks wrong. So the Cowboys are going to
Speaker 1: pay one way or the other. You're going to pay
Speaker 1: for a high number that's gonna be around forty million
Speaker 1: a year, or you're gonna be looking for a quarterback
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. And I'm sorry that's a scary
Speaker 1: proposition because there's a whole lot of folks who are
Speaker 1: trying to look for a quarterback. It's hard to find
Speaker 1: these dudes, man, It's hard. This is true. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. You got lucky, man, You struck gold in
Speaker 1: the fourth round, and somehow you're gonna let that goal,
Speaker 1: you know, be disappointed and feel a certain way about
Speaker 1: you and possibly get up out of here. I don't
Speaker 1: think that makes a lot of sense. You know, you
Speaker 1: keep on saying that that's he's the he's the guy,
Speaker 1: he's the most important thing. And you went back from
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, the pie is not big enough
Speaker 1: for everybody to get some. He gave everybody something, but
Speaker 1: that you know, this guy's looking at all that stuff,
Speaker 1: he's seeing all this, he's remembering that he's coming off
Speaker 1: of ankle injury where he put it on the line
Speaker 1: for his team. And if you keep this up and
Speaker 1: these negotiations get drug out, I think we can see
Speaker 1: a real issue here with Dak Prescott in the future.
Speaker 1: Did I mention the Colts need a quarterback? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, the Pittsburgh Steelers go be in the market
Speaker 1: for a quarterback, if not this year, next year. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of teams right now that are in a
Speaker 1: position where if they don't need one this year, they'll
Speaker 1: need one next year. If you're Tampa Bay, you know what,
Speaker 1: Let's say Tom Brady comes and plays in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, Well what about twenty twenty two if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys franchise Jack and he gets out on the market.
Speaker 1: I mean, this thing, the more we look at it,
Speaker 1: the more and more you see that if you're the
Speaker 1: Cowboys not signing him, it's gonna put you in a spot.
Speaker 1: And who are you gonna go get that? That's the
Speaker 1: big thing. Who are you gonna get? When people are
Speaker 1: talking about, hey, man, nui they should trade Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: get all you can, I'm like, who are you going
Speaker 1: to get if you let Deshaun Watson go? It's hard.
Speaker 1: You can talk about draft people all day long. You
Speaker 1: guys played in this league, these draft picks, man, we
Speaker 1: like to look at the successful dudes. People don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about the Trabiskys and Blake Bordles and these
Speaker 1: guys and teams are like, man, we messed up. Or
Speaker 1: even you look at golf, Hey, they got rid of golf.
Speaker 1: They ran the guy off. It is hard to find
Speaker 1: the dudes and mahomes. I mean, that's the g d
Speaker 1: in the bottle. These are the outliers, man, there's more
Speaker 1: of these guys. Well, look at Josh Rosen. So remember
Speaker 1: Arizona traded up to ten to select Josh Rosen. In
Speaker 1: a year later they ran this guy out of town
Speaker 1: because the number one picking they took Kyler Murray. So
Speaker 1: they took first round quarterbacks back to back years. So
Speaker 1: if you've got one man, write the check, write the
Speaker 1: check and be done with this. It is hard. Miami's
Speaker 1: still looking for a quarterback. I don't care that they
Speaker 1: draft to it. Since Dan Marino left, They've still been
Speaker 1: looking for a quarterback. Man. Look at Washington. Washington is
Speaker 1: hard up trying to find a quarterback. I think just
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think it just
Speaker 1: comes down to how much the Joneses believe in Dak
Speaker 1: as a franchise quarterback. And you know, I think they're
Speaker 1: like Daby I said, I think there's still rumblings going
Speaker 1: on in there that they don't think without without a
Speaker 1: healthy Zeke with all the fresh offensive line, that he
Speaker 1: can take them to that spot. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think if they did, they would have already paid them.
Speaker 1: They would have already paid them. So to me, it's
Speaker 1: a tough one. But they put themselves in this situation. Listen,
Speaker 1: I think I think that's crazy, right because if you
Speaker 1: look at the two teams to sell the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: they have pretty healthy offensive lines, they have pretty good
Speaker 1: running backs, they have pretty good receivers, and they have
Speaker 1: very good quarterbacks. Right, so this thing of Dak can't
Speaker 1: do it without this and out that. Yes, to be
Speaker 1: a super Bowl winning team, you need to be a
Speaker 1: well rounded team, and it starts with the quarterback. Yes,
Speaker 1: you also need a running game. Yes you also need
Speaker 1: a healthy offensive line to keep up keep the quarterback up.
Speaker 1: But you need all that stuff. The notion that Dad
Speaker 1: can't do it without X, y Z, not many quarterbacks
Speaker 1: have one. That's actually that I have won the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl with just them being the guy and them not
Speaker 1: having an old line or running game or some type
Speaker 1: of defense that doesn't make sense. I would say this
Speaker 1: as we go, as we go to break, I think
Speaker 1: the Andy Dalton experiment told me a whole lot. And
Speaker 1: he's three time Pro Bowl, he's a guy who's won
Speaker 1: a lot of games. But Andy Dalton came in here
Speaker 1: and he couldn't really make a difference. And it's not
Speaker 1: all on Andy because you had, you know, offensive line
Speaker 1: issues and stuff before, but it was clear there was
Speaker 1: a drop off from Dak Prescott and what he could
Speaker 1: do and what he could bring. And if you go
Speaker 1: ahead and let this guy get out the door, the
Speaker 1: chances of you ending up with somebody like Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: who can only do so much in this offense and
Speaker 1: gets limited. You're not gonna win many games like that.
Speaker 1: It's tough. And I know that we could talk about
Speaker 1: defense a lot of other facts. I said, I'm not
Speaker 1: blaming it on Andy Dalton, but Andy Dalton didn't make
Speaker 1: anybody else better, Okay, And that's not a slight. It's
Speaker 1: just saying it's just being on not many quarter backs. King,
Speaker 1: But it was very clear what a guy like a
Speaker 1: Mario Marie Cooper's making Pro Bowls with Dak Prescott, with
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, he's just here. Even though he had some
Speaker 1: nice numbers, he went a Pro Bowl guy. So if
Speaker 1: I've got that guy, who, oh, by the way, in
Speaker 1: this marketplace, these kids want to buy his jersey. Your
Speaker 1: wife knows who Dak Prescott is. He's a favorable guy here, man,
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Speaker 1: carry the show. It is Danny Mccraigberry Church. They were
Speaker 1: safeties for the Dallas Cowboys. All right, as we sit
Speaker 1: at our SWBC Mortgage Virtual Home Studios, Church, how does
Speaker 1: new defensive coordinator Dan Quinn make a difference in your opinion?
Speaker 1: How did the scheme change? If at all? I think,
Speaker 1: I think, to be honest with you, Nui, I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be night and day. I think if if,
Speaker 1: if I'm thinking correctly, I think dan Quinn will bring
Speaker 1: that Seattle style defense down to down to the Dallas,
Speaker 1: down to the Dallas Cowboys. But what I think he'll
Speaker 1: do is I think he'll make it just extremely simple.
Speaker 1: If you think about it. Back in twenty eighteen, when
Speaker 1: you know our linebackers, that tandem we had LV and Jalen.
Speaker 1: They were basically considered, you know, one of the top
Speaker 1: linebacking tandems at the time, and they were flying all
Speaker 1: over the place, and with that Marinelli system, it was
Speaker 1: extremely simple. It was look, we're lined up in what
Speaker 1: we are. You can either beat us with doing this
Speaker 1: or you can't. But this is how we're gonna line up.
Speaker 1: And and it was make a close call. And it
Speaker 1: was just running hit. There was no you know, multiple looks.
Speaker 1: There was no defensive ends dropping or I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta make this check if this running back switches over here,
Speaker 1: or or I gotta make this check if the quarterback
Speaker 1: says this. That's just a lot of thinking going on
Speaker 1: with our young linebackers in there. And I think what
Speaker 1: dan Quinn can bring down to this, to this defense
Speaker 1: is just a simple defense. Make a close call. This
Speaker 1: is my responsibility running hit. And I think if he's
Speaker 1: able to do that, I think he'll get the most
Speaker 1: out of his linebackers out of his defense. So hopefully
Speaker 1: we were able to do that, because Lord knows we
Speaker 1: need to be better on defense if we're gonna make
Speaker 1: a run out of anything. Yeah, I'm with you, Church,
Speaker 1: And you know I put my staff on dan Quinn
Speaker 1: before we even picked them up. So so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stamp on that one more time. The biggest
Speaker 1: thing that Dan Quinn can do when he come here
Speaker 1: comes here is reinstall the four three defense. Get those
Speaker 1: four defensive linemen, those those speed rush defensive ends, get
Speaker 1: them active, and make sure that the linebackers are playing
Speaker 1: gap control defense. That way is no gray area. You
Speaker 1: know that if you get a pool and guard on
Speaker 1: one guy has an eight gap, one guy has a
Speaker 1: B gap, one guy has a C gap. That way
Speaker 1: that you know you're looking as specifically your job and
Speaker 1: you're not getting lost like we've seen those guys doing
Speaker 1: specifically against the Baltimore Ravens. When you've seen the LV
Speaker 1: looking at too many things. When you're in the four three,
Speaker 1: you have one gap that is your assignment and you
Speaker 1: have to be in that and that and that's all
Speaker 1: you have to do to be successful on that defense.
Speaker 1: So I think if he comes back and he implements
Speaker 1: that four to three, he will maximize that. He will
Speaker 1: maximize what DeMarcus Lawrence can do, Randy Gregory can do,
Speaker 1: and then he'll have those guys like Trayvon Diggs, he'll
Speaker 1: have him right the defensive back coach that they got.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be an improvement, but he'll he'll maximize
Speaker 1: tray Von Diggs being able to play press and play aggressive,
Speaker 1: and he'll sure up those getting beat deep plays and
Speaker 1: I think they'll they'll play a lot better. All right,
Speaker 1: let me let's let's kind of go level by level
Speaker 1: on this. All right, as we talk about dan Quinn
Speaker 1: and you know you can put into simple defense. Simple
Speaker 1: defenses work when you have great players. So who are
Speaker 1: you're two starting? Who are you're starting two defensive ends?
Speaker 1: Right now? If we just look at the base, Okay,
Speaker 1: to Church, who are your defensive ends? Who started? I'm
Speaker 1: going I'm going to thank Lawrence on one side, and
Speaker 1: I'm going Gregory on the other. I think I think
Speaker 1: thank Lawrence can play to run extremely well, and I
Speaker 1: think Gregory he got he got a huge ceiling. So
Speaker 1: for me, I gotta go with those two at the
Speaker 1: defensive end spots McCray, same there, same here, all right,
Speaker 1: same here, same here. Let Let those guys put their
Speaker 1: hand back in the ground and get in Russell passing.
Speaker 1: So what about Alden Smith? Is he out? Yes? To me,
Speaker 1: Alden Smith is out. It's just it's just two two.
Speaker 1: Like the production at the beginning of the season was amazing,
Speaker 1: great story, but as the season went on and just
Speaker 1: tailed off into at the end of the season, we
Speaker 1: were asking if he even dressed. So for me, I
Speaker 1: just don't think he warnts coming back. I think he
Speaker 1: stands in the way of a guy like Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: or Durance Armstrong, guys like that who I want to
Speaker 1: see more on the field. So for me, I had
Speaker 1: to know on Alton Smith, all right, So let's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna say I second that with all the Smith
Speaker 1: and the big thing with him as he's a three
Speaker 1: to four guy and I see Dan Quinn putting the
Speaker 1: four three in, so I just don't see it being
Speaker 1: as good a fit as it was last season. Okay,
Speaker 1: what about defensive tackle? Go aheady man who you know, listen,
Speaker 1: that's tough. I think I think that's what we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to draft a guy, hopefully you know, in the
Speaker 1: second third somewhere in there. But I saw something on
Speaker 1: Nevill Gallamore on Twitter. Yes, you know, you know amongst rookies,
Speaker 1: he was one of the highest rated run stoppers. Man.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give him a chance to compete for
Speaker 1: that starting job in the off season, and then I
Speaker 1: will put I'm looking for a draft pick to come in,
Speaker 1: a high draft pick to come in and compete for
Speaker 1: the other spot. Man because the guy I think Antoine was,
Speaker 1: we seen him in there. We know he can play,
Speaker 1: but we haven't seen him be ultra productive. So I
Speaker 1: see a competition for the other spot. But I'm giving
Speaker 1: them a Gallile Moore shot. For me, I think you
Speaker 1: got one star in there. You got one star. You
Speaker 1: got gallat More in there. We've seen towards the end
Speaker 1: of the season, he's coming along. I think you got
Speaker 1: one guy in him. Now, it all depends for me
Speaker 1: on the other spot. I don't think you gotta go
Speaker 1: super high as a draft pick because I like what
Speaker 1: I saw from Tristan Hill. But it only if he
Speaker 1: comes back from that knee injuries. The same guy, okay,
Speaker 1: but if he if he if he tapers off anything,
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have to spend a draft pick
Speaker 1: just in case on him. So maybe in the later rounds.
Speaker 1: But I think you start off with those two in there.
Speaker 1: I like what I saw from them last year. You
Speaker 1: said you said you like Trister Hill last season. Gator roll,
Speaker 1: My Gator roll got you come up with a body part. Man,
Speaker 1: come up. I am not hopping on the Trister Hill bandwagon,
Speaker 1: the great camp and all that stuff when you don't
Speaker 1: even have to put pads on. I'm not hopping on
Speaker 1: that bandwagon. Okay. So, so I think it's safe to
Speaker 1: say free agency draft defensive tackle. There's a need. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a need right there. Let's look at the linebacker spot,
Speaker 1: all right, So we're talk about running a forty three
Speaker 1: Who the three? Who are the three linebackers you're running
Speaker 1: out there? Go ahead, up, yeah, listen, Well, I mean
Speaker 1: you gotta put LV out there. You gotta put Jayala
Speaker 1: Smith out there. And we've I mean, the other best
Speaker 1: linebacker that we've seen play is Joe Thomas. I don't
Speaker 1: think that Shaun Lee will be here. I see him
Speaker 1: moving into a different role. I think they need to
Speaker 1: move on to the younger guys. But I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're not gonna draft the guy, I think you give
Speaker 1: them a shot. Right. Like I said, four three defense
Speaker 1: is mostly about discipline, you being able to be in
Speaker 1: your assignment and play gap control defense. And I think
Speaker 1: that dan Quin can install this and if they have
Speaker 1: the you know, the lengthy off season and the training
Speaker 1: camp and they're able to really put that in and
Speaker 1: get these guys discipline enough to play their their role.
Speaker 1: I think they can be successful at it. So that's
Speaker 1: who I'm rolling out to the start. Who's your middle ban,
Speaker 1: who's your middle lineback? If you're going if you're going
Speaker 1: middle linebacker, go ahead, go ahead? Now yeah yeah, Ever,
Speaker 1: he was gonna be my middle linebacker because I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I know, we worry about him banging and his shoulder
Speaker 1: and his neck, but when you're playing a four to three,
Speaker 1: you know, the middle linebacker is not necessarily always banging
Speaker 1: right a lot that they're doing a lot of pulling
Speaker 1: a lot of jet sweeps. It's not a lot of
Speaker 1: teams that are running specifically just lead and power, so
Speaker 1: he won't specifically have to be doing that. He would
Speaker 1: have to play a lot of that deep Tampa Cover two,
Speaker 1: he had to play in some pass coverage. It won't
Speaker 1: be just head banging, uh for the entire game. So
Speaker 1: I'm putting him in Mike Church Uh. If we're going
Speaker 1: four to three, Like like mccraiy said, I'm going, you know,
Speaker 1: l V at the mic, I'm going m jailing at
Speaker 1: the wheel. And I don't think you got to really
Speaker 1: spend the high draft pick because because honestly, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think seventy percent of the offense is in the league.
Speaker 1: They're coming out in eleven personnel. So if you're if
Speaker 1: you're out there in eleven personnel, you're not going to
Speaker 1: be in the base four three, You're gonna be in
Speaker 1: that nickel package. So not nine times out of tend
Speaker 1: those two linebackers, the Mic and the Will, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be out there, you know, probably eighty percent of the game.
Speaker 1: So for me and at four to three and that
Speaker 1: SAM position, I think you can put maybe a Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas in there, or you can get you know, a
Speaker 1: later draft pick to come in there, because at nine
Speaker 1: times at a tend of Sam is just there to
Speaker 1: set the edge, And I think you don't need to
Speaker 1: spend you know, high quality dollars or high draft pick
Speaker 1: on somebody that's gonna be, you know, just out there
Speaker 1: setting the edge maybe twenty five to thirty percent of
Speaker 1: the snaps. So for me, you gotta go with those
Speaker 1: two at the end of at the linebacker position, Lvee
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith and hopefully you know, we play gap discipline
Speaker 1: defense because if not, we're going to get ran off
Speaker 1: the gym, just like we did last year. Okay, let
Speaker 1: me go back to this whole thing of Sam. I
Speaker 1: actually say, Mike and Will, so we're talking about those guys.
Speaker 1: When we saw vander Rash at his best, he was
Speaker 1: at the will so one put him over there. I think,
Speaker 1: I think Jay, I just think Jalen might be too
Speaker 1: small to be in there. Man. To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: you know, we also got to have a good defensive
Speaker 1: line in there as well, because if those if those
Speaker 1: optive linemen are getting to the second level like they
Speaker 1: did this past year, it don't matter who we put that.
Speaker 1: It don't matter who we put out there, they're gonna
Speaker 1: get washed away. But in all I think Jalen might
Speaker 1: be a little bit too small. I think he's more
Speaker 1: effective as an outside linebacker because he can come off
Speaker 1: the edge and blitz as well. So that's why I
Speaker 1: put him out there. Yeah, absolutely, That's that's why I
Speaker 1: have Jalen outside because I think you could be a
Speaker 1: little bit more creative with him, moving him around, you know,
Speaker 1: have him out there banking number two, rushing off the edge,
Speaker 1: running some games with the defensive line. I think I
Speaker 1: think that's where he's most effective. It he can rush
Speaker 1: the passer. He is athletic enough to get around that edge,
Speaker 1: and he can play a little bit of coverage and
Speaker 1: disguise a little bit. But I want to have him
Speaker 1: outside and maximizing his athletic ability and keep LV on
Speaker 1: the inside. So who do you think covers tight ends
Speaker 1: and guys out of the background, out of the back
Speaker 1: feel bad? Bandaresh or Jail? I think they're both terrible
Speaker 1: at that. Yeah, they gotta get They gotta get with somebody.
Speaker 1: They gotta get with somebody in the offseason, the Golden
Speaker 1: foot dude or whatever. But they gotta get their coverage
Speaker 1: skills on point because we saw it last year. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were a liability and coverage. It didn't matter who
Speaker 1: it was, tight ends, running backs, it don't matter who
Speaker 1: it was. They were getting kind of routed up out there.
Speaker 1: So they both gotta work on that and to make
Speaker 1: this defense to come alive. That's dan Quinn's the Seattle
Speaker 1: type defense. You gotta have somebody at at that linebacker
Speaker 1: position that can cover the tight ends, that can cover
Speaker 1: the backs. Because in Seattle it was kJ Wright doing
Speaker 1: that and he was phenomenal. He made that that defense
Speaker 1: come alive. So we're gonna need to get better than
Speaker 1: the coverage standpoint from the linebacker unit. Yeah, listen, I
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be probably a week part of our
Speaker 1: defense because one of the game has changed. Man. Some
Speaker 1: of these dudes is playing running back are essentially their receivers,
Speaker 1: their receivers coming out of the backfield. And then when
Speaker 1: you look at guys like Travis Kelsey and Kittle, you know,
Speaker 1: playing tight end, these guys are receivers, right, So it's
Speaker 1: going to be difficult for you to find that that
Speaker 1: top notch linebacker that can really cover those type of guys.
Speaker 1: So your scheme is gonna have to be able to
Speaker 1: cover up that that that disadvantage that you have, that's
Speaker 1: where we're gonna be lacking it. But if I'm lacking anywhere,
Speaker 1: you know that, that's probably where I would pick right.
Speaker 1: I would want a strong defensive line to put some
Speaker 1: person on the quarterback. I want to be able to
Speaker 1: cover on the back end, and then I will be
Speaker 1: a little iffy on our linebackers and coverage. So the
Speaker 1: review we looked at the d line right now, free
Speaker 1: agency draft are difference to tackle upgrade there, and then
Speaker 1: at the linebacker spot, a coverage linebacker is something to need.
Speaker 1: Now let's look at the back end, all right, mccraig,
Speaker 1: who are your starting corners? Who are you're starting? Man?
Speaker 1: Come on, NEWI come on Newis I listen? I knew
Speaker 1: you would coming to that next. And the truth is,
Speaker 1: this is where we really really have to hit in
Speaker 1: free agency or in the draft, because I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that Xavier Woods is going to be back. You know,
Speaker 1: based off of the stuff that I see last year,
Speaker 1: I would say probably not if I was if I
Speaker 1: was the guy who was making that decision. So I
Speaker 1: know you got trade Munt Diggs out there, you got
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown. I see him on the inside, and then
Speaker 1: I'm not sure who you have on the opposite corner,
Speaker 1: but I think that's somebody that you go find a
Speaker 1: free agency, like we were talking about, if you can
Speaker 1: find a Patrick Peterson type of guy for the right price,
Speaker 1: I would go. I would go out there and I
Speaker 1: would get him. I'm sure dan Quinn has somebody in
Speaker 1: mind that that would fit in skiing perfectly. H that
Speaker 1: that other safety position, man Wilson, you know, I like him.
Speaker 1: I see him competing, But that's somewhere where we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to hit in the draft and on free agency.
Speaker 1: Our secondary is where we need the most help at Nah,
Speaker 1: you're taking out the striker Wilson. He said no, no.
Speaker 1: I said no, no, no, no. I said, he has
Speaker 1: to compete for the job. He's urging a right to
Speaker 1: compete for the full time starting job. But you still
Speaker 1: need to go have somebody to for him to compete.
Speaker 1: You can't just go out there and roll out and say,
Speaker 1: all right, you know you're gonna be the starter. I
Speaker 1: think the biggest competition will have to be in that
Speaker 1: safety room. Yeah, you're right about that. I think there
Speaker 1: has to be competition throughout the whole the whole secondary,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have to get it. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: to hit in the draft because look, I mean, after
Speaker 1: we give Dak this bag we're getting ready to give him,
Speaker 1: we'in't gonna have enough money to get anybody in free agency.
Speaker 1: So that puts a lot of pressure on Will and
Speaker 1: those guys in the scouting department. We gotta hitting the draft.
Speaker 1: But for me, I'm leaving Wilson back there at the
Speaker 1: strong safety. I think he proved enough as a playmaker
Speaker 1: through his small sample size that he can be kind
Speaker 1: of a cornerstone piece back there. I like what I've
Speaker 1: seen from Treyvon days, even though he had his ups
Speaker 1: and downs, even though you know from some games he
Speaker 1: was getting burnt like toast, but he was always competing
Speaker 1: out there. He's always competing, and I feel like he
Speaker 1: has a high ceiling once he gets his technique down.
Speaker 1: Now the other side, you know, I don't see us
Speaker 1: bringing back Woods, Cheetah Woozier or George Lewis. I just
Speaker 1: don't see us bringing those back. I don't know. They
Speaker 1: might get, you know, more lucrative deals somewhere else, but
Speaker 1: they're playing. It wasn't as stellar as we would like
Speaker 1: to see in the secondary, so I don't see them
Speaker 1: bringing anybody back. For me at the safety position where
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods was, I think you have to get a
Speaker 1: better and piece back there, but not only just the
Speaker 1: veteran impact. Think you have to get a guy that
Speaker 1: can go red line to red line meeting that he
Speaker 1: can contest balls on the outside that the corner is
Speaker 1: supposed to have. You need that Earl Thomas type guy,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't have to break the bank. I mean
Speaker 1: there's guys like Tayshaun Gibson. There's guys like Trey Boston
Speaker 1: out there who won't break the bank, but they're athletic enough,
Speaker 1: in virtutile enough at that whole safety to really make
Speaker 1: this defense come alive. Now, the other parts, if you've
Speaker 1: got a good Nickel and Anthony Brown, and I think
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to hit in that draft for that
Speaker 1: other corner. I think you're gonna have to do it
Speaker 1: because we can't get any high price corners or anybody
Speaker 1: that makes his defense come alive outside of maybe Richard Sherman,
Speaker 1: but I think he lost a couple steps and I
Speaker 1: think he'd be a liability in the past game with
Speaker 1: this scheme. So for me, you got a hit in
Speaker 1: the draft on that other corner and hopefully we can
Speaker 1: make it come alive. Listen, listen, I know we keep saying,
Speaker 1: we keep talking about the money in the salary camp
Speaker 1: and how much we'll have left after that gets his
Speaker 1: and if they end up paying them, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: some guys that's take us some major pay cuts and
Speaker 1: will not be on the squad because let me tell
Speaker 1: you something, the money man they're gonna find a way
Speaker 1: to free up some cash so they can go make
Speaker 1: some moves in free agency. One thing the Cowboys having
Speaker 1: done in the you know, in recent years, is be
Speaker 1: big players in free agency. Right. I think we got
Speaker 1: Brandon Card for like fifty mile way back in twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: last thirteen, and we hadn't done much since. And I
Speaker 1: think I think that affects us a lot because you
Speaker 1: see a lot of the teams that end up making
Speaker 1: it a long way into the Super Bowl, they are
Speaker 1: active in free agency. Right. They don't just promote from inside.
Speaker 1: They go out and they look at other teams and
Speaker 1: talent that these guys have, and they bring those guys
Speaker 1: in to be effective on their squad. So I think
Speaker 1: this is a year where we found a way to
Speaker 1: bring at least one one impactful player in in free agency.
Speaker 1: All right. So when you talk about free agency and
Speaker 1: you're talking about safeties, here Justin Simmons of Denver is
Speaker 1: going to be a free agent. He is repped by
Speaker 1: das guy Todd France. He didn't get a deal done
Speaker 1: for him. So there's one guy free safety and we
Speaker 1: know to Quinn, I hear you, But to make the
Speaker 1: dan Quinn defense. Run you need that free safety. He
Speaker 1: had Earl Thomas over there with the Seahawks, and he
Speaker 1: also got to the Super Bowl UM with a guy
Speaker 1: like Ricardo Allen. Now, Ricardo Allen is that quarterback on
Speaker 1: that Atlanta defense. He's most likely going to be a
Speaker 1: cap casualty as he's expected to make eight million dollars.
Speaker 1: I got that from Orlando Ledbetter, who covers covers the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcon so um, and that may be a guy
Speaker 1: to look at it free agency because he knows the defense.
Speaker 1: So to me, and we spoke about this before here
Speaker 1: on the player's Lounge. If you can bring in someone
Speaker 1: who's a veteran player who understands how to run that defense,
Speaker 1: that's a help to everyone else. So maybe that's a
Speaker 1: guy Ricardo Allen to think about if you're the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in free agency, especially if you don't want to pay
Speaker 1: for Justin Simmons. Just my thought, but clearly, just just
Speaker 1: a review from what you guys are telling me. Defensive
Speaker 1: tackles in need they need to look at and free
Speaker 1: agent sly slash the draft. A coverage linebacker is a need.
Speaker 1: One quarter opposite digs and then a free safety. But
Speaker 1: that's I'm not I want you to be looking at.
Speaker 1: I'm not giving you a coverage linebacker, right. We got
Speaker 1: to one's the first round pick. One just got paid.
Speaker 1: They're going to be the guys on the field. I
Speaker 1: don't see us bringing in the player that that knocks
Speaker 1: one of those guys off the field on third down.
Speaker 1: I think I think those will be the two guys
Speaker 1: on there. I think we're just gonna have to work
Speaker 1: on their coverage and waste to help him out. Now, Okay,
Speaker 1: so Danny will push back. I'll push back on it here, Danny,
Speaker 1: what's the one thing we've seen about Laton vandrexs You
Speaker 1: can't count on for sixteen games, So that's gonna be
Speaker 1: something you need to look at. Old. Hey, come on,
Speaker 1: so when I say that about Tyren Smith, y'all give me, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all give me hell about when I say this about
Speaker 1: Tyren Smith not being able to be relied upon. But
Speaker 1: now you're talking about il Vie. I mean Ilvie with
Speaker 1: just this season. I mean yea, Thomas Hiller. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: don't do that, Danny. Okay, Danny, I'm gonna do that,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why I'm gonna do that right
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Speaker 1: Newise Scrugs cover the team for event a day, joined
Speaker 1: by two former Dallas Cowboys safeties, Bear church In Danny McCray.
Speaker 1: So McCray, I will I will read. I'm here to
Speaker 1: respond what you're saying. Okay, My issue about you trying
Speaker 1: to replace Tyrant Smith is only here you're talking about
Speaker 1: doing it with the tenth overall pick in the draft
Speaker 1: that I'm saying no too. That is when what I
Speaker 1: pushed back on. You want to sit up here and
Speaker 1: find a tackling round three or four fun, but not
Speaker 1: at ten. I'm not. I am adamantly opposed as at
Speaker 1: first or second round draft pick being used on anything
Speaker 1: but defense. Dan Quinn needs some help. They need some
Speaker 1: walking starters. So that is my thing there. Okay, floor
Speaker 1: is yours. This makes no sense to me. It makes
Speaker 1: it makes no sense if you're going to replace a
Speaker 1: guy like Tyron Smith, who has been a staple and
Speaker 1: most important player for the I guess for the last
Speaker 1: six seven years on your officsive line. You can replace
Speaker 1: them with a third rounder. No, you need to have
Speaker 1: a guy that is I for sure walking the door starter,
Speaker 1: because you are if you draft them in the first round,
Speaker 1: you are replacing Tyren Smith. You're not grooming him to
Speaker 1: replace him in the next two or three years. You're
Speaker 1: getting rid of So I'm still going offensive line in
Speaker 1: the first round. I don't see that. If you pick
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle in the first name, go find some
Speaker 1: film and show me a defensive tackle work. Pick team corner.
Speaker 1: We need a corner. We need a veteran corners round.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. We do not need to
Speaker 1: We do not need a second year player who just
Speaker 1: got toasted his whole first year and then another rookie
Speaker 1: coming in as a two started corners for this season
Speaker 1: and expect to be some guys that if it's stopping people,
Speaker 1: that's why you the vet safety and you get your
Speaker 1: get you a vet corner. But that's gonna that's gonna
Speaker 1: be like your fourth corner in the fifth corner, mainly
Speaker 1: special teams. We do not need a cover linebacker in
Speaker 1: the first round. And there's no way we can go
Speaker 1: offense with the way this defense before. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: crazy that's him, but Church that that's because you believe
Speaker 1: it was the players, and I believe it was the
Speaker 1: coach I mean, and obviously the top of the organization
Speaker 1: agrees with me because most of that coaching staff is
Speaker 1: no longer here and most of the players and most
Speaker 1: of the players are still here. So I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, in order to pay back, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to get rid of a lot of the players. Here
Speaker 1: they go, here we go, man go. Man. We seen it,
Speaker 1: We've seen it. We we got without a doubt, without
Speaker 1: a doubt. Now listen, it's it's it's church most now
Speaker 1: chill out knew it. It's church fun. You don't have
Speaker 1: the draft, the draft capital that we need, mister less child.
Speaker 1: We should have been We should have had the third
Speaker 1: pick in the draft and been able to trade back
Speaker 1: for multiple first rounds with nine. Let's try to make
Speaker 1: the playoffs and go send me nine and end up
Speaker 1: and pick number ten with nothing to show for it.
Speaker 1: They still got to pay that forty million dollars. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, what do I? What do I? We can
Speaker 1: go to the other route. We can go to other route,
Speaker 1: you know, and God is our starting quarterback. Not that way.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what will better hit on these draft picks.
Speaker 1: Man heat better first round? Man? All right, go ahead,
Speaker 1: leave your comments right there in the periscope. If you
Speaker 1: believe that they need to go get an offensive tackle
Speaker 1: at ten in the first round, as McCray is saying,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're on board with that, go ahead,
Speaker 1: let me know. Um. As I said, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: it till the cows come home. This team needs help defensively,
Speaker 1: I said before on the podcast, And casey, anyone forgot
Speaker 1: what I would do on the offensive line next year
Speaker 1: is put Connor McGovern at guard, take out Carnor Williams
Speaker 1: and make Carnor Williams my swing. Carna Williams is my
Speaker 1: swing in case something happens to Smith, something happens to Collins.
Speaker 1: You also have Terrence Steele. You've got the other guys
Speaker 1: there who you've helped groom, I just need to fill
Speaker 1: this defense and make this defense adequate. This defense wasn't
Speaker 1: even adequate last year. For most of the year, they
Speaker 1: had the worst run defense in the NFL that finished
Speaker 1: thirty first in the league. I've got to address this defense, folks.
Speaker 1: I can't say here forty one games, man, I can't
Speaker 1: the two dudes come man, the two dudes you just
Speaker 1: named it even play last season talking about backing up
Speaker 1: be there. If something happened to Collins or something happened
Speaker 1: to Smith, I'm gonna tell you something that that is
Speaker 1: almost one hundred percent for sure, something will happen to
Speaker 1: Smith if you if you go based off the last
Speaker 1: two or three years, somebody happened layout Collins. Actually even
Speaker 1: last last the last four yes, Collins. Collins didn't even
Speaker 1: make it out of training. We didn't even have a
Speaker 1: training camp for the most part. My man didn't even
Speaker 1: make it out of he didn't even start training camp. Man,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. We just have a problem
Speaker 1: about No, I'm still in brand No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you can't tell it. They played terrible. I mean, at
Speaker 1: the end of the season, we're actually playing okay, so okay,
Speaker 1: So you don't forget that. Connor Williams don't have no anchor.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, we watched him and talk about him
Speaker 1: on this podcast week in and week out for getting
Speaker 1: drowned back into the quarterback. No. I'm talking about no, no,
Speaker 1: no in and out moves or nothing. If you want
Speaker 1: to boil worsh And you got a guy that can boys,
Speaker 1: put him on Connor Williams and there's nothing gets him.
Speaker 1: He just don't have my anchor. We see him trying
Speaker 1: to anchor. He to have it. My man's been hitting
Speaker 1: two sisters up all right. He put some more pounds on.
Speaker 1: He's ready to roll. Y'all gonna be upset next year
Speaker 1: talking about Man, I can't believe we're getting sacked this much.
Speaker 1: Man that Dak always on the run, that always my
Speaker 1: man coming off a broken leg, y'all talking about let
Speaker 1: him looking out there with tears Steel and Brandon Knight.
Speaker 1: They can make they can make the jump, all right.
Speaker 1: They can make the jump year one of the year
Speaker 1: or two, all right, they can make okay, all right?
Speaker 1: See this, this this is the beauty of the podcast.
Speaker 1: We have different opinions here and so uh this to
Speaker 1: watch this playout is gonna be good because somebody will
Speaker 1: be drastically wrong and somebody will be very very right.
Speaker 1: And I can't wait to see how this thing all
Speaker 1: plays out. Speaking of the nistically wrong, Yes, wait before
Speaker 1: you get the suits to the super Bowl picks off topic. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: how do you let Barbara with COVID get up in
Speaker 1: a super Bowl team and the super Bowl team? How
Speaker 1: does this happen? I don't understand. Nobody should have been
Speaker 1: getting no haircuts. They should have been no haircuts getting
Speaker 1: got you already can't even travel to the super Bowl
Speaker 1: destination until the weekend of and you take a risk
Speaker 1: of having an outside Barbara come in who ended up
Speaker 1: having COVID. Come on, man, that don't make no sense
Speaker 1: talking about haircuts, And how does he start cutting hair
Speaker 1: though without getting his results back? Like how does the
Speaker 1: how does that even happen? Like we just tested you,
Speaker 1: go ahead and get it up. We'll let you know
Speaker 1: what you what you're testing back here about thirty five?
Speaker 1: How do they test the players harder than they test
Speaker 1: the barber? Come on, Man's there's off the field on
Speaker 1: warm ups and you let up. You let the ball
Speaker 1: for getting there start chopping people up. Before he realized
Speaker 1: he had Man sneezing everywhere, man coughing everywhere. Well, first off,
Speaker 1: Adam Shefford had called him a haircutter, so so the aircutter,
Speaker 1: haircutter be the chiefs used. Those are great, those are
Speaker 1: great questions. I thought cats were supposed to be doing
Speaker 1: the home dude, you know, do it yourself. But um,
Speaker 1: hey man, it is what it. But what I find
Speaker 1: funny is everybody clear. Everybody gonna be good to play.
Speaker 1: You know, he had COVID. So at my job, if
Speaker 1: somebody near me gets COVID, they tell me I can't
Speaker 1: go to work. But the National Football League, dude, coul
Speaker 1: beat up here cutting your hair, all opinion, touching you
Speaker 1: and you're good to go on side. That's the thing
Speaker 1: that I don't get. Man, that's amazing to me. Dude,
Speaker 1: you get here, it's you're right, you do. The selective,
Speaker 1: selective integrity of this is absolutely hilarious. Here, it is hilarious.
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, yeah, you're right. Money money, money will
Speaker 1: not stand in the way of running dudes out here.
Speaker 1: So you know, after the game, we probably probably watch
Speaker 1: five dudes test for COVID after the game and just
Speaker 1: you know, go from there, all right, let's make these
Speaker 1: picks here. Okay, let's make these picks. Um. We did
Speaker 1: the championship picks, and UM, I went out on a
Speaker 1: limb and went with with Green Bay to lose and
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay ended up getting that dub and I went
Speaker 1: with Kansas City. Um, what did you guys go with
Speaker 1: during the championship game Championship weekend? Did you guys? I followed?
Speaker 1: I followed Church. I'm blow this dude, man goodness every
Speaker 1: time Church, I have it right here. Very predicted Green
Speaker 1: Bay would beat Tampa Bay thirty one twenty one, and
Speaker 1: then Church, you predicted Buffalo was gonna win at Kansas
Speaker 1: City by point twenty eight twenty seven. D Mac you
Speaker 1: had you had green Bay winning at home over Tampa
Speaker 1: thirty to twenty four, and he had Buffalo winning at
Speaker 1: Kansas City thirty five thirty one. I had Tampa as
Speaker 1: a twenty three twenty win at Green Bay, and I
Speaker 1: had Kansas City with a twenty seven twenty four win.
Speaker 1: So now it is on to the Super Bowl for
Speaker 1: our final pick of the year. The Chiefs are favored
Speaker 1: by three points at Tampa. The Bucks getting the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl in their home turf first time you've ever seen that,
Speaker 1: So nostre Damas, I'm going to allow you to make
Speaker 1: your prediction. First. Here what you got, man, Like, it's
Speaker 1: hard to bet against Brady, but I just can't see
Speaker 1: it happening. Man. Kansas City is just too prolific with
Speaker 1: my Homes out there, the connection he has with Kelsey
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. And then if for some reason you're able
Speaker 1: to get those two he oh, he got Sammy Walkings
Speaker 1: over here, he got Robinson over here. I mean, he
Speaker 1: just has too many weapons. I understand he's missing both
Speaker 1: of his tackles, but with this dude, it just seems
Speaker 1: like nothing can stop him. Right now, my heart wants
Speaker 1: to say Brady, but you know, I gotta go with
Speaker 1: the reel right now. I think my Homes gets his
Speaker 1: second ring, Hitchens gets his second ring, Damien Wilson former
Speaker 1: Cowboys get their second ring. I gotta go Kansas City
Speaker 1: in this one thirty one to seventeen. Oh, look, let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. I would never again bet against
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. I wouldn't bet against Michael Jordan. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: bet against Lebron James. So, like you said, Church, that
Speaker 1: missing the two tackles. I think that Todd Bowls learned
Speaker 1: his lesson from the from their end season matchup, and
Speaker 1: I don't see him letting the same thing happen that
Speaker 1: he had let happened previously. What Tyree Hill went off
Speaker 1: of two fifty one fantasy football matchups for almost anybody
Speaker 1: who had him on their roster. I don't see that happening.
Speaker 1: I see, my elders. You got Lenafo that coming up playoff,
Speaker 1: Lenny running the ball was very very strong force. You
Speaker 1: also got Ronald Jones back there. I think they figure
Speaker 1: out the way to keep the ball out of Patrick
Speaker 1: with the Holmes hands just enough for them to outscore
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs twenty eight to twenty four. Oh
Speaker 1: m m. I don't see it happening, big dab. But
Speaker 1: we'll see Tyresten Tyreek Hill, not Tyree Hill not going
Speaker 1: off on him like that again. Man, Listen, if he do,
Speaker 1: ty Bod, he should not have a head coaching job.
Speaker 1: Carlton Carlton names better hope not, because I mean, if
Speaker 1: he gets gets skurt like that again, man, we may
Speaker 1: never see him again in the league. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can't give up two hundred and some yards and if
Speaker 1: you look at the highlights. He was at the back
Speaker 1: end of almost every one of those toasty those touchdowns,
Speaker 1: So me magic. The game plan was horrible. The game
Speaker 1: plan was Tyree Hill line up at number three and
Speaker 1: run an override with no help to safety dropped down
Speaker 1: to cover the back who didn't even really release for
Speaker 1: a deep route. Yeah, I don't I don't see Tyle
Speaker 1: Bowls letting that type of stuff happened. I see my guy,
Speaker 1: Devin White. Since were naming guys, LSU got Devin White,
Speaker 1: LSU got Lenny And you know, I'm saying they come
Speaker 1: out there this week and they get their first Super
Speaker 1: Bowl win. Man, Devin White will change the game. He
Speaker 1: will make some stuff happen. You'll see him get a
Speaker 1: couple of sacks. You'll see him stopping it was a
Speaker 1: layre stopping um lavy on Bill. He will be a
Speaker 1: difference maker in that game this Sunday. The only chance
Speaker 1: they got is if Pierre Paul and Shaq Bard, if
Speaker 1: they can't get going, if they can't just go ahead
Speaker 1: and run over these backup tackles, then they got a chance.
Speaker 1: But if if that, if they can't get there, it's
Speaker 1: a rap. It's a rat I mean, listen, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a blowout when they played in the first time, even
Speaker 1: with Tyrek Hill having two fifty eyes, So that was
Speaker 1: a blowup that they what you got for us new
Speaker 1: By the way, if you have not listened to the
Speaker 1: Huddle and Flow podcast, asked when Steve Wish and Jim
Speaker 1: Trotter talking to Todd Bowles, it is absolutely a hilarious listen.
Speaker 1: Todd dropped so much knowledge. But he also talks about
Speaker 1: his coaching at more House College and going with Doug
Speaker 1: Williams from Morehouse to Grambling, and he talked about how
Speaker 1: and he was at Grambling he had to work security
Speaker 1: at a juvenile concert on campus. It's like I didn't
Speaker 1: know it. I didn't even know what the music was.
Speaker 1: And then when he was at moore House, he said,
Speaker 1: we had we didn't have a lot of great athletes,
Speaker 1: where we had smart guys. And he said he told
Speaker 1: one guy's like, I want to see your eyes when
Speaker 1: you make a play. And he said, after he said that,
Speaker 1: the kid runs off, takes off his helmet and walks
Speaker 1: up to him and he shows him his eyes. And
Speaker 1: he said that Doug Wall was like, man, I can't
Speaker 1: do this. Man, I can't do this, but his coaching
Speaker 1: journey and what he's done at Tampa Bay and then
Speaker 1: what he did with the Jets, I mean, it's absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 1: And he talks about playing on a Super Bowl team
Speaker 1: with Doug william when they beat the Denver Broncos Super
Speaker 1: Bowl twenty two. So if you haven't heard that podcast,
Speaker 1: it is absolutely sensational. I think his Bucketeer defense is
Speaker 1: going to be very good on Sunday. I really do,
Speaker 1: especially with the tackles. The two starting tackles for Kansas
Speaker 1: City out. One of the tackles in that game is
Speaker 1: gonna be Mike Rimmers. DeMarcus Ware and Von Miller tore
Speaker 1: up Mike Rimmers and Michael Or when the Carolina Panthers
Speaker 1: ended up playing Deniver the Super Bowl fifty. So they're
Speaker 1: going to have Kansas CEA is gonna have to find
Speaker 1: a way to get these guys some help. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with two other LSU guys, and I think we
Speaker 1: need to be talking about on Super Sunday, Clyde Edwards,
Speaker 1: a Layer and the Honey Badger. I think these two
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be able to help make a difference
Speaker 1: in this football game. I'm gonna trust Andy Reid and
Speaker 1: Eric being to me to figure out a way to
Speaker 1: help these tackles out in Patrick Mahomes to use his
Speaker 1: feet a little bit and try to put him in
Speaker 1: motion a little bit. To get away from the fact
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have some some some pretty good Shaq
Speaker 1: Barrett and JPP coming after him. I'm going to go
Speaker 1: with Kansas City to come back and win this one.
Speaker 1: Twenty four, twenty one. I think Tom Brady is going
Speaker 1: to have a mediocre football game. He had three interceptions
Speaker 1: in the second half against Green Bay. Who who who
Speaker 1: gets away with that in a playoff game? He got
Speaker 1: away with it because a bucketeer defense was that good.
Speaker 1: Kansas City just finds ready to get it down too though.
Speaker 1: You know he threw he threw three tugs too. Isn't
Speaker 1: that luck? You know what? You get that thing away?
Speaker 1: You know what he did? He was white James, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's all Tom Brady wasn't. And here's three Davis did
Speaker 1: that what James gave him the very thing They ran
Speaker 1: Javis Witchington game thirty, James game thirty for thirty and
Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs. Tom Brady and come on, man,
Speaker 1: I can't believe Javis wiz Man. We gotta end Ivory
Speaker 1: Jams Tom about Ivory James, and that ain't gonna work.
Speaker 1: I just think the whole risk getting no biscuit thing, um,
Speaker 1: the turnover thing. I think it's gonna gonna gonna get
Speaker 1: him in and give me the honey Badger to return one.
Speaker 1: By the way, okay, honey Badger would pick six in
Speaker 1: this one. So twenty four, actually make it twenty four
Speaker 1: twenty three. I'm gonna go to a one point win
Speaker 1: for Kansas City twenty four twenty three. How about that, fellas,
Speaker 1: stop stop switching the scores up. Don't don't Texas. Don't
Speaker 1: Texas after they're talking about you switching the scores. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was getting out of that one point when one point? When?
Speaker 1: All right, my homes one point when twenty four twenty three? Okay,
Speaker 1: so there we go, there we go. So boy, I'm
Speaker 1: going with Church. I don't feel good about that. Church.
Speaker 1: You're rolling with me? Now, baby, you're rolling with me, Church,
Speaker 1: You rolling up with me. I'm gonna bringing old baby, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing holot home with menuis hollo nui? Why do
Speaker 1: you still got that trophy behind you, broad man, that
Speaker 1: thing out all right side to make the playoffs. He
Speaker 1: got the two crazy. It's time to go, It's time
Speaker 1: to go. We went it over. We went it over, boy,
Speaker 1: I tell you man, you negroes. It's black history. Who
Speaker 1: are dot on? A brother? Man? But I'm not having it.
Speaker 1: That is the players last we find it. We'll talk
Speaker 1: to you next week. Right here. That trophy back man,
Speaker 1: he got he got a replica made. It's a It's
Speaker 1: about all time chap that two times, two times, two times.
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