WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema Rewind: Dune (1984), part 1 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:08.319 Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. Rewind, this is Rob Lamb. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:10.760 We have a vacation week here for the show, so 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:13.080 this is the perfect time to roll out a Weird 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.840 House Cinema two parter. This is going to be part 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:20.360 one of our episode on the late David Lynch's Dune 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:25.479 from nineteen eighty four. This episode originally published three eight, 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:29.520 twenty twenty four, so we put this out before the 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:33.159 passing of the great David Lynch. So keep that in 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:37.280 mind as you roll into it and appreciate this weird 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:38.600 and wonderful picture. 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:47.879 Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.360 Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb. 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.240 And this is Joe McCormick, and oh boy, have we 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.040 got a movie to talk about today. We're pretty sure 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.920 this is going to be our first and perhaps only 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.960 ever two part episode of Weird House Cinema. And you 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.480 might be thinking what movie could possibly cause them to 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.000 split Weird House Cinema into two parts. It's David Lynch's 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:16.480 Dune from nineteen eighty four. 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.080 That's right. Yeah, we normally try and keep Weird House, 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:24.120 as you know, a single episode installment situation. But the 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.919 cast is too rich here, the weirdness is too deep. 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:31.119 And with release of Dnis Villeneuve's Dune Part two, obviously 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.080 Dune is in the air once more. Everybody's going crazy 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.720 for this film, and rightfully so, and that gives us 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:40.280 the excuse. All right, everybody's digging Dune right now. We 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:42.720 can do a two parter on Weird House Cinema about 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:43.800 David Lynch's. 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.080 Adaptation, Wait did you see the new one? Yes? 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:51.360 Over the weekend just slammed the Dune. My son had 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:54.840 never seen Dune Part one, so we rewatched that with him, 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.080 and then we all went up to the movie theater 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:01.480 for you know, three hours and Dune Part two with 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:05.240 a full cinematic experience. We didn't get the popcorn bucket, 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.360 but we still had a great time. It's definitely a 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:10.079 film worth seeing on a big screen. 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:13.560 Well, I'm very jealous of that experience because I am 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:15.600 so excited to see it. I haven't been able to 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.600 make it out yet because we you know, we got 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:20.239 a seventeen month old. We don't get out to movies 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.799 these days. But as soon as it hits streaming, I'm 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.480 going to be there and I'm very excited about that 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:29.280 because I really did love the twenty twenty one Dune, 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:34.840 and that one really surpassed my expectations in so many ways. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.400 Because Robert, you know, we've long been fans of the 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.480 book and talked about it on the show all the time, 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.320 and have been in certain ways fans of the movie 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.040 we're talking about in this episode today. But it is 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:49.520 not a book that lends itself to the screen, you know, 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.600 is like a It is a wonderful novel, but it 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:57.519 almost feels like it was written to be specifically difficult 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:59.440 to adapt to the movie format. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:03.560 Yeah, it is a It's a complex novel, full of 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:10.000 interstellar feudalism, like psychotropic drugs, sandworms, lots of plots within plots, 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:14.639 lots of conversations, and then when the action does take place, 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.000 when there are big action spectacles, they generally happen off 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.200 the page and are referred to after the fact, you know. 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.200 So it's not one of these things where you can 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:26.160 just like PLoP it on the table and like this 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:27.240 is what we're filming today. 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:27.440 You know. 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:32.440 It's it's it has a reputation for being a difficult adaptation, 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.280 and yeah, credit where credits due Denny v nailed it. 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:37.760 I think he nailed it in part one and then 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.480 part two he really seals the deal and it's it's 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.640 a true spectacle with the caveat. I have to say, like, 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.280 I've always been a Doom Book first fan, and I 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.280 don't mean that in a snobby way, and I mean 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.440 that in like that's how I read it for the 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.520 first time, That's how I explored the world for the 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:58.120 first time, and therefore, like that's always my starting point. 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.880 And given the difficul culties of adapting it, you know, 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:03.720 you have to go into it with the expectation that 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:08.640 any filmmaker, regardless of what they're working with, they're going 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.760 to have to pick and choose, as with most adaptations, 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.320 to varying degrees, but you know, you're going to have 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.280 to pick and choose, like what aspects of Doon you're 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.039 going to realize on the screen, what aspects of the 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.039 characters you're going to realize, and what you're going to 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:22.400 condense and what you're going to leave out. 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.039 Yeah, well, I mean, I think some stories do just 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.359 naturally translate to the screen more easily if they're I 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.159 don't know, you know, if the story is written more 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.919 like a play, like if it's very dialogue driven already, 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.400 if you know, if a lot of the story is 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:43.080 contained already in the exchanges between the characters, and so 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:46.680 if it's already kind of an external story Doune I 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.920 think is really difficult for at least a couple of 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.279 reasons I can think of. One is that understanding the 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:58.080 story relies so heavily on like this deep understanding of 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:02.200 the setting and the world, which liies on a glossary actually, 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.880 like there's you know, an encyclopedia. So it's very fun 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.600 to explore in written format and to like learn all 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.960 the politics and the technology and you know, the strange 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:15.799 world that Frank Herbert created. But it's hard to get 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:20.160 all of that into a movie format without having just 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:25.040 big dumps of exposition, which unfortunately the Lynch movie does have. 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:28.480 There are scenes where there's just characters sitting around explaining 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:32.200 or even voiceover narrating lots of stuff about politics and 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.240 technology and what happens in the Dune universe, and it 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.040 does get kind of overwhelming at times. Another thing I 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.440 would say, though, is that in addition to the importance 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.240 of the setting, there's also just a lot of internal 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:48.480 stuff in Dune, like characters having visions, thinking through things. 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:53.000 A lot of the drama is within characters' minds, and 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.800 so that's also kind of difficult to externalize in a 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.640 way that the viewer can participate in without just having 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:02.760 people again doing like voiceover of their internal monologue, which 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.720 Lynch's adaptation also does and is occasionally funny. 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.400 Yeah, especially. We ended up watching it when I rewatched 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:14.120 this with my wife, who was who's I was surprised 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.599 she was game for it. Monday night, the day after 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.920 watching Dune Part two, we watched David Lynch's Dune and 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:23.440 we watched it with the subtitles because I'd read somewhere 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.919 someone advised like, this is a good choice because you 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.280 can keep a little better track of who's saying what. 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:33.480 But there's a lot of internal voice colon once being said, 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.240 which makes it a little little more hilarious at times 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:38.120 when this occurs. 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.760 Yes, especially well, actually, one of the funniest parts of 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.200 it is that you will often get a close up 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.080 of the actor making like a serious face while we 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:47.960 see them. 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:52.719 Thinking, Yeah, it's a hard one to pull off. But 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.120 that being said, you know, if you're gonna do it, 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.320 commit to it fully, don't do it just in a 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.320 couple of places where it's like, oh, they lost track 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.680 of what they were doing. This scene wasn't working, so 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.400 they're going to do a little bit of this. No, No, 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.120 it's throughout the film, so it's in a way it's 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.200 more forgivable since it's ubiquitous. 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.040 But hey, we're not here to knock the nineteen eighty 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.680 four Dune because I would say that I'm going to 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.560 be forthright and acknowledged this movie has a lot of shortcomings. 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.240 There are many things about it that don't work. But 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.160 also I love it. I love David Lynch's Dune. 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:26.760 Yeah, I mean, is it the most faithful adaptation? 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:27.120 No? 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:31.160 Is it? Is it the best? Well, it's hard, hard 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.120 to make an argument for that, perhaps, But is it 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:37.800 absolutely weird? Is it? Is it consistently entertaining? Absolutely? 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.680 Yes, Yes, it's also shorter. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.440 In caveat here we are going to be only dealing 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.280 with the theatrical cut of the film, the only cut 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:51.520 that that David Lynch ever, you know, acknowledged and approved, 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:54.720 and we'll get back into that later on. But yeah, 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.720 it's like it's it's a reasonable, reasonably linked film. That's 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:03.760 also part of the problem we'll discuss. But yeah, it's 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.360 it's shorter than some of your other options, right. 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.840 So on the downside, that does mean, especially in the 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:10.400 first half of the movie, you do get a lot 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:15.400 of scenes of incredibly just heavy deposits of exposition, where 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.520 there's like a narrator just telling you a lot of 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.160 stuff really fast, and I think, especially if you were 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:23.040 not already familiar with the story, you'd just be like, 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.720 what what what? All the like, it just comes thick 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.560 and fast when you're not really ready for it. Often, 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:31.600 I think, so that is a problem with trying to 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.000 cram this much story into this short of a run time. 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.480 On the other hand, given how much they fit into 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.040 this short of a runtime, I am shocked how well 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:41.080 it works. 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.640 Yeah. Yeah, I imagine we had the same experience on this, 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.680 but because I think you have something that notes to 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.960 this effect. But a lot of the reviews for this 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.679 film make a point of saying it's incomprehensible. You have 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:57.400 no idea what's going on at any given point. I 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.640 did not have that experience rewatching the film, and I 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.000 don't think you did either, obviously, because we know the 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:04.840 major beats we know what's going to happen. We know 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:06.640 who everyone is supposed. 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:08.880 To be, right, so we can't really come at the 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.920 movie cold. Like I'd read the novel before I saw 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.400 this movie, so I already knew the story. So it's 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.679 kind of hard for me to imagine what it would 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:21.600 be like not being familiar going in. Though. When I 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.720 try to imagine that, I can say like, yeah, I 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:27.000 think this opening narration would be a little would be 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.440 a little hard to get past. You'd be like, wait, 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.640 I can't keep track of everything. You're saying, what's the 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.559 spacing guild? Huh? 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.640 Yeah, And people have these issues too, even with the 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.440 more recent adaptations, Like I remember seeing stuff online where 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:43.000 people with the first film were confused and thought that 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.880 perhaps the Baron was also the Emperor. 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:47.520 They were a little. 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:52.400 Unclear on that. And I know that my wife initially 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:56.680 had some confusion over two different blonde characters in part two. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.040 I'm not going to reveal who they are, but she 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.040 was like at least moment, like, wait, are these the 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.840 same character? No, these are two different characters, And so yeah, 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.439 this stuff's going to happen anytime you're adapting something so complex. Now, 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.600 speaking of fitting a lot into a limited runtime. I 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.880 also just want to quickly note that you know, this 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.880 movie has been out for a while. It has a 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.559 cult following. It is a David Lynch movie. There have 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.640 been multiple great documentaries, books, papers, etc. On this production, 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:27.800 on previous attempts at producing Dune for the screen, subsequent productions. 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.280 We can't possibly get into all of that, but we'll 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:31.680 reference a little of it as we go. 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.960 Have you watched the documentary about Yodorowski's Dune. 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:39.200 No. I had read about it plenty before it came out, 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.760 and I've just never gotten around to watching it. But 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.800 that is, of course a fascinating slash infamous example of 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:50.040 you know, what if? What if jo Darowski had actually 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:55.160 made this stupendous semi adaptation of Dune with this just 0:10:55.400 --> 0:11:01.280 colossally Bonker's cast. I'm glad he didn't end, and not 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.800 just because I'm protective of Dune to a certain extent, 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:09.800 but also because you see the influence of Doune in 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.319 his later works with Mobius in the Metabaron series. These 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:17.120 are graphic novels that Jodowski wrote, and those are tremendously 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.480 fun and trippy, and they have elements of that kind 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:26.600 of like doone feudal psychedelic world, but it's removed from 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.400 Herbert's novels and it can be its own thing. So 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.959 I think like ultimately, everything landed for the best. 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.400 On that regard, that makes sense. So you're saying you'd 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:39.040 rather instead of seeing Yodowski like impose his vision upon 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.480 an adaptation of Dune, you'd rather see him take a 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.800 bunch of influence from Dune and make his own thing. 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.480 It's exactly yeah, I think it worked out for the best. 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:47.280 Well. 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.320 On that note, let's go ahead and listen to some 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.360 trailer audio. Specifically, I believe this is a radio spot. 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.280 I love it when we can feature a radio spot 0:11:55.320 --> 0:12:00.760 since it is ideally tuned for the listening audience. Here 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.160 this one. I found this one online. This was apparently 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.480 something that aired in Salt Lake City. So let's have 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:07.880 a listen. 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:16.559 No, the most widely brand talked about and cherished masterpiece 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:20.160 of a generation comes to the screen. You I see 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:21.240 two great houses. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:22.439 You need. 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.480 A world that holds creation's greatest treasure. 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:30.400 You controls the Spice, controls the universe top. 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:31.960 And greatest terrorsts. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:39.040 A world with a mighty the mad all I can 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.040 see is an attradees that I want to kill and 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:46.200 the magical the Sleepers, O my god, we'll have their 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:55.680 final battle. A world called doom long lived bit eyes, we. 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:59.440 Will kill until no hard conean breezed arocane air. 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:01.640 Duel. 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:05.920 A world beyond your experience, beyond your imagination. 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.959 Details about the Dune Adventure in Washington. 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:10.000 D C. 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:14.240 Are coming soon from Heughter Brussel Pictures Eastern Airlines at 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.760 one L six A FM KCGL. 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.280 You know, Rob, I went to rewatch this movie on 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:26.840 Max HBO Max, I guess formerly. And Max has a 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.160 great little thing where it's like, you know, if some 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.400 of these streaming services do this, they say, Hey, if 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.800 you liked this movie, you might also like do you 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.240 want to know what the fan of Dune nineteen eighty 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:37.480 four might also like? 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:38.520 Let's have it. 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.679 Okay, it's Dune twenty twenty one. I guess that's not surprising. 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:47.520 Leviathan nineteen eighty nine, one of our faves. Yeah, war 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:53.040 games and Escape from Laoh from la You know, I've 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.880 never had the courage to watch Escape from la Oh. 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.439 Love Carpenter Love Love the cast for a Skate from 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.640 la and I remember it had a fun soundtrack that 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.000 came out at the time, but yeah. 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:07.720 Not anybody's best work. 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:12.640 Yeah, we know, speaking of Max, that is also where 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.520 I ended up rewatching it. But anyone out there, if 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:19.120 you want to go watch nineteen eighty four is Dune 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.520 in full before continuing with these episodes. Yeah, it's also 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:26.880 widely available in digital and physical formats anywhere you might 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.400 want to watch it. Unlike the Sci Fi Mini series, 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:30.880 which is a little hard to get your hands on 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.360 right now, you can definitely get the nineteen eighty four 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:37.000 adaptation any way you want to get it. Aero Video 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.280 put out a very nice Blu ray package of the 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.600 film in twenty twenty one if you're a collector and 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.280 or want that physical media. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.960 Speaking of I've never seen the Sci Fi mini series, 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:46.240 have you? 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.960 Yeah? I watched, well, I watched the first one, and 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.320 I've only seen bits and pieces of the follow up 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:56.600 where they adapted Doune Messiah and Children of Dune, and 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.440 I remember it being lavish. You know, it has some 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.600 very great costumes, It has a lot of good casting 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.520 and and some great casting in places. So as we proceed, 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.800 I'll at times refer to alternate castings for some of 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.120 these characters and which ones I like, which ones I didn't, 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.320 And they did nail it at least on a couple 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.200 of the castings. So it's it's I don't know how 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.640 the effects hold up, but the costumes are great and 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.200 some of the performances are nice. 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.480 I've never seen it, and in saying this, I don't 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.160 want to malign it, so maybe it's better than it looks. 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.720 But in some screenshots or stills I've seen from it, 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.240 it does kind of have that made for TV look. 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.800 Yeah yeah, or almost kind of like a film stage 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.960 production sort of a thing. Yeah yeah. One more thing 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.720 I want to quickly add about this version of the 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:48.160 film that we're watching today. Again, I was kind of 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.400 a book first fan, and I remember the first time 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:55.240 that I bought a copy of Doom at the I 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.280 think it was a books a million, you know, so 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.680 it wasn't like a nice cozy local bookstore is one 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:04.600 of the wearehouse bookstores. But the cashier was so excited 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.600 when I brought up the book and she was like, oh, 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.760 you were going to love this. This is a great novel. 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.000 This is one of the best. And she explained to 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:15.480 me that she and her husband were huge fans of Doone, 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.400 and they were such huge fans that they would watch 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.440 David Lynch's Doune and at that time it was just 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.520 the movie. It was the only movie version out. They 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.680 would watch the movie version every night as they went 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:31.320 to sleep, every night, this film. And so I think 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:35.480 from an early age, despite the criticisms and rejections of 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.880 this film that were already out there, it's like I knew. 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.480 It's like this lady and her husband loved this film 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.840 and they love the book, so it can't be too 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.480 far off base. And therefore I think I've always been 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.360 been more than a little willing to invite aspects of 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.800 this film and its look and it sound into my 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.680 head version of Doom. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.240 That is fascinating. So literally, as you said, as they 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.560 go to sleep, so they're like, yeah, drifting off to 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.959 the to the sounds of like Baron Harconin's doctor singing 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.720 love songs to his boils as he's poking them with 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:10.280 a needle. 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:15.520 Yeah, or Baron Harkonen like just laughing maniacally and floating 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:16.280 around the room. 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:16.920 Yeah. 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.520 Yeah, it's their lullaby. I hope they're still doing it. 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.120 They're still together and they're still watching David Lynch's Doom 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:22.760 every night. 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.560 Why, Baron, I love your precious diseases. 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.480 All right, well, let's start getting into the connections here. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.280 We're going to tackle everything a little differently here, so 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.680 you know, first of all, on some of these we're 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.120 going to try and maybe spend a little less time 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.400 with them, just because we have such a huge cast 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.600 to go through. And additionally, we're not going to just 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:54.879 divide the episode like normal. We're not going to do 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.640 like just connections, just cast and crew in this episode 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.880 and then plot in the next. We're gonna run through 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:05.520 like a few key behind the scenes individuals and then 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.800 we're gonna get into the plot and then talk about 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.560 the key actors as they appear in the narrative. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.560 Okay, I think that is a good approach for a 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:15.000 two part Weird House episode. 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.119 Yeah. Yeah, we labored over this a little bit and 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.439 this is this is what we came up with. Okay, 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:21.560 all right, let's start at the top. 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:21.960 Yeah. 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:26.720 The director also the writer the adapted screenplay on this 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:31.919 one is, of course, David Lynch born nineteen forty six. Now, 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.119 I'm gonna have to defer to you, Joe on some 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.800 of the details of David Lynch's filmography and certainly about 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:42.480 like the texture of what a Lynchian film is. Because 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.120 I haven't seen as many David Lynch films. I've basically 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.160 just seen his Dune. I've seen eraser Head, and I've 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.439 seen Moholland Drive, but that leaves out a number of 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.160 like huge films that are highly influential in his sort 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.560 of like neo noir weird aesthetic. 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:01.199 I think if you've seen eraser Head, Mulholland Drive, you 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:03.840 have a pretty good idea of what some of his 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.160 dominant themes are. But we'll come back to. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.920 That all right now. At this point in his career, 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:13.240 this was only Lynch. This was Lynch's third full length 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:17.240 motion picture, following the ultra weird eraser Head in nineteen 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.080 seventy seven, and this was more in keeping with a 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.719 lot of his previous short film films and nineteen eighties 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:26.199 The Elephant Man. You know, I think I also have 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.120 seen The Elephant Man, but I'm not sure if I've 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.200 seen The Elephant Man in full. I've at least seen 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.800 enough of it to know what it's about. That at 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:34.680 least was a box office and critical hit. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.479 Yeah, I actually haven't seen The Elephant, Man. I've meant 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.360 too for years. I know it's a widely revered movie. 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:44.120 People say it's great. I have seen eraser Head. Eraser 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:49.240 Head is It's funny to contrast that with Dune because 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:53.040 eraser Head is only barely a narrative film. It is 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:59.119 much more like, well, it's sort of an art horror film. 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:04.280 I would almost say it is a film about images 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.680 and feelings and the I would say the main emotion 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:11.399 that it conveys is fear and desperation. 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:12.760 Yeah. 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:16.560 Yeah, it's a feel good hit for sure. So at 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:18.720 this point in David Lynch's career, he was like a 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.080 hot up and comer. You know, at the time, he 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.080 was even discussed as a potential director for Return the Jedi. 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:26.200 So a lot of big producers were eyeing this guy 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:27.840 as you know, as they still do today, you know, 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.439 hot new director. And then incomes a producer in this 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:34.399 case like Dino di Laurentez, who we've has come up 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.080 on the show multiple times before, you know, major producer 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:40.960 of the time period, putting together such epics as Flash Gordon, 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.440 which we recently talked about on the show. Yeah, and 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.040 he and he was like, definitely the kind of guy 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:48.560 who want who was attracted to talent, Like he wanted 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:52.400 to bring in someone that that had vision, but would 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.840 also of course fall in line and play the studio game. 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.920 Yes, so I think this was not a match made 0:20:58.000 --> 0:20:59.320 in heaven with David Lynch. 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.480 Yeah, it ended up not to be the case. 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:04.919 I don't know. 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.240