1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: We arrive at the offices of Las Cumbris in Santa Fe, 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: New Mexico, on a cold grade day, and that's where 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: we meet one of their employees. Yes, Julia Raisi is 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: in his mid twenties with a boyish face, and he's 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: sort of a helpful, gentle giant. 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: I'm from Torrion, Mexico. We are Christians, we are musicians. 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: My wife she was the singer and I was the 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: bass player, and we fell in love. 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: My god. Las Cumbris is one of the largest social 10 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: service providers in New Mexico, and Raisi works for them 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: as a family navigator, which means that he's the sort 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: of fixer to immigrant families in Santa Fe. If you 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: need help registering for school, you go to Raisi. Also, 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: if you need to get a state ID, or get vaccines, 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: or get help finding a doctor or getting to court, 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Raisi is your guy. And while immigrants have been coming 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: to this country for a very long time in figuring 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: out how to live their lives, the group of people 19 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: that Recei's working with right now are facing a different situation. 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: They are newly arrived migrants who have managed to enter 21 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: the United States at a time when the Trump administration 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: has essentially closed the door for asylum seekers with a thud. 23 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: And he does a lot of this work out of 24 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: his own car, visiting immigrant families and asylum seekers all 25 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: over northern New Mexico. Today he's agreed to let us 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: tag along with him. 27 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: Let me clean my car because I have kids. 28 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: That is after he makes some space for us in 29 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: the car. 30 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 3: And oh my god, wow, you have your handsfulser. 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 4: From Futuro Media, It's Latino USA. I'm Maria Ino Jossa. 32 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 4: In twenty nineteen, the Trump administration began a policy called 33 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 4: the Migrant Protection Protocols or MPP. It's also known as 34 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 4: the Remain in Mexico policy. 35 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 5: The Trump administration is expanding its Remain in Mexico policy. 36 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 6: A Trump administration announced today asylum seekers on the southern 37 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 6: border will be forced to stay in Mexico. 38 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 5: More than ten thousand asylum seekers at the southern border 39 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 5: have been sent back Under the controversial Remain in Mexico policy, only. 40 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 4: A very small percentage of asylum seekers are allowed into 41 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 4: the US to wait for their hearings, and these exemptions 42 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 4: are incredibly inconsistent. This policy is currently being challenged in 43 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 4: federal Court. Today on our show, we're going to meet 44 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 4: some of these people who have been allowed into the 45 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 4: United States. We're going to spend some time with Fernanda Chaari, 46 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 4: who is a former Latino USA producer and now an 47 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 4: immigration reporter at Mother Jones. Last fall, Fernanda, along with 48 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 4: fellow Mother Jones reporter Julia Luri, took a trip to 49 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 4: northern New Mexico. They went on a ride along with 50 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 4: social worker Raisi Yanyez and spent a day meeting families 51 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 4: new to Santa Fe in order to get a portrait 52 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 4: of asylum seekers who are navigating how to start a 53 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 4: new life from scratch while also being stuck in limbo 54 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 4: in the United States. Hey, Fernanda, Hi Maria, So you 55 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 4: went to New Mexico in order to spend the day 56 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 4: with this guy who is like, he's like a social 57 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 4: worker slash fixer for newly arrived families who are seeking 58 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 4: asylum in the United States. 59 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 7: So what does he do for them and why? 60 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: So he's the guy that when he gets a phone 61 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: call from one of the families that he's helping, and 62 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: the person on the other line says, I think I 63 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: have to go to this lawyer meeting, or I have 64 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: to go to this doctor's appointment for my kid. Can 65 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: you help me? And then he goes and picks them 66 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: up and tells them what to bring with them, and 67 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: he's sort of just doing every little thing you can 68 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: think of to help people get from point A to 69 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: point B and to figure out what they need in 70 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: the process. This is a city of under one hundred 71 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand people, so this is not a LA 72 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: or New York or Chicago when it comes to having 73 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: these safety nets and communities already set up for new 74 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: arriving families. Northern New Mexico is really tough to navigate 75 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: if you don't have a car, and in fact, the 76 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: families that we visited don't have cars. You can drive 77 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: for ten to fifteen minutes and you find yourself in 78 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: a fairly rural area. 79 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 7: Pick us to the beginning of your day with him. 80 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: So the day starts bright and early. Race basically spends 81 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: his day behind the wheels and also making and receiving 82 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: a ton of phone calls. So we pull up to 83 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: the apartment where we're going to pick up the first family. 84 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: So wait, host houses is this is where going to 85 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: the first family, right now, Okay, I'm gonna not have 86 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: this out just when we go in and stuff, so 87 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: we don't get scared. Yeah, And I should mention here 88 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: that the people that we met that day allowed us 89 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: to spend time with them and to record audio, but 90 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: they asked us not to use their names for multiple reasons, 91 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: but the biggest one being that they feel very vulnerable 92 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: and they don't want any of this to affect their 93 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: pending cases with US immigration. So we pull up to 94 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: the home of the first family we visit, and we 95 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: enter their one bedroom apartment. It's small and the living 96 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: room has been made into a bedroom. There are six 97 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: people living here, and that's where we meet a woman 98 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 1: in her late thirties and her seventeen year old teenage daughter. 99 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: There's some level they're from and they've been in the 100 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: US for almost three months. Today Racy is taking them 101 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: to a medical clinic. The teenager is going to start 102 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: school soon, so she needs some vaccinations and she needs 103 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: to be able to prove that she has the vaccines 104 00:05:55,520 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: in order to enroll. Nervous I did, Yeah, So they 105 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: jump in the car with us and we head out 106 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: to the Mom was definitely more nervous than the teenager. 107 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 3: With Josef. 108 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: So she had this little nervous laugh throughout the morning 109 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: and and the car rides. She knows that this is good, 110 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: but she's also scared to send her daughter to a 111 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,239 Speaker 1: new place and to not be there to watch over 112 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: her shoulder. When we get there. She tells the nurse 113 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: that her daughter had gotten vaccinated when she was a 114 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: baby in Elsa. 115 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 8: No okay, but. 116 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: They didn't bring her vaccination records when they left last summer. 117 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: So her daughter is going to have to get five 118 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: shots that morning, three on one arm, two on the 119 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: other side. 120 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 4: Effects are just pain at the site, you know, soreness 121 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 4: and moving the arms. 122 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: Is the best, the best way to help move it 123 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: through quicker. The thing is that she can barely move 124 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: her arms. The mom points to her daughter and asks 125 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: the nurse if she noticed that she has a disability. 126 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: She suffers from arthur ryposis. It's a congenital condition that 127 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: means she can't move her arms. They are sort of 128 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: locked straight down along her torso, and her hands are 129 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: perpetually curled up towards her wrists. The mom and daughter 130 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: have been inseparable their whole lives, so for the mom 131 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: it's not easy to think of her daughter going to 132 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: a special ed classroom in Santa Fe where she's not going. 133 00:07:45,280 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 8: To be there a sense and Tomio keys and mcguy guy. 134 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: So she's like nervous about tomorrow because she feels good 135 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: when she can see her and she knows she can 136 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: catch here if she falls, So tomorrow she won't be 137 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: there to catch her if she falls, and she's starting 138 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: to get a little nervous about tomorrow. 139 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 4: So Fernanda, is it the fact that the teenage daughter 140 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 4: has a physical disability that this is what essentially allowed 141 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 4: them to get into the United States. Some people might 142 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 4: think that if there's a physical disability, they would have 143 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 4: been not allowed in. 144 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: So technically, in the actual writing of the migrant protection 145 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: protocols that remain in Mexico policy, it says that people 146 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: from vulnerable groups may be allowed in and not be 147 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: forced to return to Mexico, and that could include pregnant women, 148 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: and it could also include people with disabilities. So it's 149 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: not super super clear why US immigration officials let them 150 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: remain in the United States and I should mention under 151 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: supervision during the duration of their asylum case. But it's 152 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: most likely because of the daughter's disability. At least that 153 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: is what should have happened. But I know from speaking 154 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: with lawyers on the ground and humanitarian groups that the 155 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: rules are not being followed as they should for these programs, 156 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: and a lot of people who probably should be allowed 157 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: in are not being allowed in. 158 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 4: Let's go back to that day now they're in Santa Fe. 159 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 7: What happened. 160 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: The nurse came out and gave the mom a couple 161 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: of forms that she needed to fill out. So we 162 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: finished filling out the forms, and then we look outside 163 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: the window. It was the first note of the season 164 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: in northern New Mexico. So we opened the door and 165 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: step out into the courtyard, and the seventeen year old, 166 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: who was wearing cropped leggings and a hoodie, had been 167 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: complaining about the cold the whole morning, but not anymore, 168 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: not at that moment. She's looking up at the sky 169 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: and laughing at the tiny snowflakes that have landed on 170 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: her mom's eyelashes. Her mom cannot stop smiling. She loves 171 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: seeing the snow, and she said she wanted to see 172 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: it in real life because up until that point she 173 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: had only seen it in TV and movies. We step 174 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: back into the waiting room, and not long after that, 175 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: the teenager gets called in she gets her shots. She 176 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: comes out only a couple of minutes after that and 177 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: very great okay, and says that she barely felt the 178 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: first shot, but that the last one really hurts. We 179 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: leave the clinic and get back in Dioces car It's 180 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: ones were back in the car and headed home that 181 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: the mom and teenage daughter start to open up a 182 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: little bit. They talked to us about their time in 183 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: Salvador and about being detained in the United States. 184 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 8: Wilences. 185 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: They left Il Savador because they struggled to pay for 186 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: the daughter's medications. It was really hard to be able 187 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: to go to work and leave her daughter alone, so 188 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: money was difficult to come by, and the neighborhood over 189 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: the last few years started to get a little bit 190 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: more violent. Basically like every year, it just started to 191 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: get a little bit worse for them. So it got 192 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: to the point where they said they barely left the house, 193 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: and they decided to leave and come and reunite with 194 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: some family that they had in the United States. So 195 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: they head to the US Mexico border. But once they 196 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: get there, they find out that they may have to 197 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: wait months to even apply for asylum. So they join 198 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: a group of people and decide that they're going to 199 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: cross the Rio Grand with the idea that they would 200 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: turn themselves into border patrol officials the second they touch 201 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: US soil. 202 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 4: That sounds like an incredibly risky decision to make. Why 203 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 4: would the mom and the daughter say we're just going 204 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 4: to cross, We're not going to wait, you know, quote 205 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 4: unquote line to get in. Why did they make that decision? 206 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: So I've heard this from a lot of people that 207 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: I've talked to at the border in Arizona, in California, 208 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: and in Texas, and that is the United States has 209 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: for over a year and a half been forcing people 210 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: to get on these completely unofficial waitlists at the border 211 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: so that US immigration officials only take a handful of 212 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: people a day. But what this has done is it's 213 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: made it so that families are waiting for months and 214 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: months in these makeshift camps at the border or overcrowded 215 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: shelters just so that they can get their moment to 216 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: approach a port of entry and say my name is 217 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: so and so I'm here to seek asylum. So for 218 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: this mom and daughter, the idea of waiting in this 219 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: completely foreign territory, in a place where they felt extremely vulnerable, 220 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: that just wasn't an option. So they chose to cross 221 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: the river. They did it at night, and they came 222 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: out of the river, cold and wet to border patrol 223 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: agents who were already flashing their lights at the group 224 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: on the US side. The agents told them to sit 225 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: on the ground and take off their shoes. They left 226 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: them there for a long time, and the teenager says 227 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: that it felt like about three hours just sitting on 228 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: the on the ground right after across the river, and 229 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: she says that they were very cold and it was 230 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: terrible and the border agents, the mom says that they 231 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: didn't really seem to hair that her teenage daughter had 232 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: special needs. At one point, she said that on top 233 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: of sort of feeling very afraid of the border agents, 234 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: they were made fun of. She says that one of 235 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: the US border guards told them welcome to your newcastle. 236 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: In Spanish, lelisi. 237 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 8: Buya paslo rido buy a basuka stio. 238 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 4: It sounds pretty heroin and to be going through with 239 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 4: this with your daughter and in the freezing cold and 240 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 4: not feeling like you're getting any kind of well care. 241 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 242 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: She from the moment that she started talking about her 243 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: time in US detention, she just kept crying. And her 244 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: daughter was sitting in the back seat of the car, 245 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: looking down and chiming in from time to time. And 246 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: what the mother told us is that she you really 247 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: hadn't had a chance to talk about this before until 248 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: now with us. And while there's somewhat lucky quote unquote 249 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: to be in the United States, now they're with family 250 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: and they're dealing with their day to day lives, but 251 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: there's also still a looming uncertainty about whether they will 252 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: get asylum and be able to stay. We pull up 253 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: to their apartment and it stops knowing by now. The 254 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: daughter says she's not too sore from the shots, but 255 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: that she's getting cold and she's ready to go inside. 256 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: We say goodbye, and Raisi tells her to be ready 257 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: by nine am tomorrow. He's coming to pick her up 258 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: so they can meet with the special ed teacher at 259 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: what will be her new school at least for now. 260 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 4: Coming up and letting the US say we continue on 261 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 4: our ride along, stay with us, Yes, hey, we're back. 262 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 4: In this part of the conversation, Fernanda Chavari. Immigration reporter 263 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 4: at Mother Jones tells us about the people she and 264 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 4: her co reporter Julia Luri meet next in Santa Fe, 265 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 4: a young hunter and man and his mother. So we're 266 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 4: continuing on the day with Raisi. You have left the 267 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 4: doctor's office with mom and daughter, and where did you 268 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 4: go next with the social worker. 269 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: So at this point it's about one in the afternoon 270 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: and Raisi says that we're going to go meet a 271 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: young man from Honduras and what is the nature of 272 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: your visit today? 273 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 3: What do you have. 274 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: Planned to do? Well? MBD so to get a navy 275 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: So in Santa Fe you can get a State I D. Yes, 276 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: no matter your immigration status. 277 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 9: Yes. 278 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: We pull up to their home, which looks similar to 279 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: all the other small houses that are Adobe style brick, 280 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: very Southwestern vibes. We walk up to the front door 281 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: and we notice this little American flag hanging from a planter, 282 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: and the twenty one year old's mother greets us at 283 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: the door, lesband American less. She lets us in and 284 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: then the first thing we see inside is this huge 285 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: Houndurant flag hanging inside the main wall. Yeah, the US 286 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: flag outside, the flag, the big flag in the living room. 287 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: Then we notice her son. He's holding an envelope with 288 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: the paperwork so he can get an I D. He 289 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: arrived in New Mexico last summer and he came to 290 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: reunite with his mother, who had been in the US 291 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: for more than a decade already Para but he wanted 292 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: to take him to the DMV so that he doesn't 293 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: have to carry around his hunter and passport with him 294 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: all the time anymore. One of the reasons why he 295 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: left Hoduras is because there were gang members who were 296 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: trying to force him to join their gang, and when 297 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: he refused, he put himself in a lot of danger. 298 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: So he arrived at the Hawaii El Paso border and 299 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: he actually waited. He tried to get on the waiting list. 300 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: He knew that the wait was going to be long. 301 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: He waited for almost two months and he was still 302 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: not able to present himself. So while he was at 303 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: the border waiting, he's on this list, he's doing what 304 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: officials have told him to do. He sees somebody and 305 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: he didn't get too specific about who this somebody was, 306 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: but says that it was a person connected to the 307 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: same gangs and Hondudas that he was trying to escape from. 308 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: So he realizes that he wasn't safe in Quarts either, 309 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: so he decides to cross and turn himself in. As 310 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: soon as he reached the United States, he turns himself 311 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: into border patrol agents who take him to a detention 312 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: facility in El Paso, and he was detained in facilities 313 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: that were pretty horrible from estodiam There were men in 314 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: standing room only cells, unable to sit down, let alone 315 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: lay down of peguano barraza, women and kids that were 316 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: sleeping on the freezing cold floor. He says he had 317 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: been drinking water from the sink in those overcrowded cells toilet. 318 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 1: At one point they shut off the water and his 319 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: throat was so dry and he was so thirsty that 320 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: he had to drink water from the toilet. He eventually 321 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: got sick. He told the guards that he was feeling 322 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: ill and they asked him to fill out a request 323 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: to be seen by a medical professional. It took days 324 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: for him to see a doctor, and once he did, 325 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: they said he was contagious, so they gave him a 326 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: little bit of medication and put him in isolation for 327 00:20:52,720 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: eight days. Yeah he went to the X books, but 328 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: for having the flu. Basically, he slept on a cold 329 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: cement bench and ran out of ways to stay warm 330 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: in what felt like an ice box, so he started 331 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: wetting toilet paper and tossing it up to the air vent, 332 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: trying to cover it up and prevent more cold air 333 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: from coming in. He says that that's something he just 334 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: came up with out of desperation, because he felt like 335 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: he was going to freeze to death. 336 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 4: So we talked about kind of the special circumstances of 337 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 4: a mom and her daughter being allowed into the United 338 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 4: States to apply for asylum. But in this case, we're 339 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 4: talking about a twenty one year old Hunduran man. He's 340 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 4: able bodied, he would seem to be precisely the person 341 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 4: would not be allowed in. 342 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: So the thing that's interesting about his case is that 343 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: this twenty one year old was able to be released 344 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: from immigration detention because of his mom. She came to 345 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: the US fifteen years ago. She left him and his 346 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: other siblings back in Honduras and she would send money 347 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: back home. But while here in the United States, she 348 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: was the victim of domestic violence. And because she was 349 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: a victim of a crime, and she cooperated with law enforcement. 350 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,719 Speaker 1: She qualified for something called au visa. People who have 351 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: U visas can actually petition for their spouse or their 352 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: children to also have legal status here in the United States. 353 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: So that's why her son was able to enter the 354 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: US and they're now waiting to see if he'll be 355 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: able to get that visa while also waiting on his 356 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: asylum case. And while all of that waiting happens, he's 357 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: starting to sort of form a life in Santa Fe. 358 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: He's been trying to take care of some things, including 359 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: getting an ID. So we are at the DMB. Is 360 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: that where we are? 361 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 9: Yes? 362 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: After about ten minutes, a woman who works for the 363 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: DMB comes over to check on him. That's identity. 364 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 5: What type of documents would you find? 365 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: And then once she sees what he has, she tells 366 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: him that it's not enough. 367 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 10: Living with somebody. 368 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 3: Yes, good moment. 369 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: So if he's listed on the we can't accept that. 370 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: So the woman says that he needs to show more 371 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: proof that he lives in Santa Fe. No, no, like 372 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: a letter from the school where he takes English classes, 373 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: or his name on the lease at the house that 374 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: they rent. So, after realizing that he was not going 375 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: to be able to get an ida. That day, we 376 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: decide that we want to stop by and get some lunch. 377 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: We pull up to a strip mall and the young 378 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: hunter and man requested Panda Express. So as we walk 379 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: out of getting Panda expressed, right, he says that we 380 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: must stop by a five guys to try one of 381 00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: his favorite things in the world as strawberry bacon milkshake. 382 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: He of course tried to get us to try it 383 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: first bacon, so yeah, you gotta like really get in there. 384 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: All the bacon bits won't make it. 385 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 9: Up when it's sweet. 386 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: And then I was off the hook because I'm vegetarian. 387 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: But Julia and the man from Honduras had to try 388 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: that strawberry bacon milkshake. 389 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 9: Did you feel the vacant coming up? 390 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: And to our surprise, he really liked it. That's why 391 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: to out of two, you've converted two people. As we 392 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: drive back, he starts talking a little bit more about 393 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: his time in the US. He's picking up a few 394 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: words in English, and he has found a of guys 395 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: to play soccer with, which makes him pretty happy. But 396 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: one of the more challenging parts for him has been 397 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: reconnecting with his mother back at the house after lunch, 398 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: we asked if we could talk about this with him 399 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: and his mom. She had told us earlier in the 400 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: day that she was thrilled to be reunited with her son, 401 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: but was really nervous at first because she was worried 402 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: that he might reject her. Fifteen years is a very 403 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: long time, and this man is now twenty one years old. 404 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: So the last time that they were together he was 405 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: a child and he's now an adult, and he feels 406 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: quite disconnected from his mom. 407 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 7: Keos, yes, she's okay, as Mi Mari. 408 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: This is tough to translate. He says that, yes, he 409 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: knows that's his mom, but it's really not the love 410 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: that he has for his grandmother, because that's who he 411 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: sees as a real mom. The mom has found a 412 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: counselor through Las Cumbres. It is she's going to a 413 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: mental health expert, and it's sort of new for her, 414 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: but she says that she's really enjoying being able to 415 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: talk about it, as hard as it is. And the 416 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: son has found himself more in deep conversations with friends 417 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: and neighbors. Reporting on immigration for so long, I've seen 418 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: this theme again and again, relationships between parents and children 419 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: who have been apart for a long time gets really 420 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: complicated and sometimes really fraught after they're reunited. Even when 421 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,959 Speaker 1: the parent left their children specifically so that the children 422 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: could have a better life from the big relationship stuff 423 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: the daily life, they're having to learn how to be 424 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: together again. 425 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 4: So, Fernanda, you were able to do a kind of 426 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 4: micro zoom into the life of two families. But you 427 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 4: and I have been reporting on this issue for many, 428 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 4: many years. When you step back, what's the takeaway that 429 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 4: you have? 430 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: So, Maria, we talked about how the mother of the 431 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: hunter and man that we talked to has found a 432 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: counselor that she finds helpful. But it's important to point 433 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: out that she's been in the United States for years now. 434 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: It's a little different for people who are just now 435 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: settling in. We spoke with Julian Ford, a psychiatry professor 436 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: at the University of Connecticut. He specializes in trauma, and 437 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: particularly trauma among children and families, and he told us 438 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: that generally, dealing with trauma and mental health isn't a 439 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: priority for people who just arrive in a new place. 440 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 10: The immediate need when people are just simply trying to 441 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 10: survive and find some kind of a safe haven is 442 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 10: not trauma therapy. It's really psychological first. 443 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: Aid, and Ford says that people don't always respond well 444 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: to what we think as traditional talk therapy or medications, 445 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: and especially at first. What's important is something else. 446 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 10: It is actually being able to just be connected to 447 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 10: one's community, to have opportunities to share one's story and 448 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 10: get support from peers and other people like oneself who 449 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 10: share similar values and traditions and have some shared history. 450 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: When we first got in the car with Raeci that morning, 451 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: we thought maybe he'd be having lots of deep conversations 452 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: with his clients throughout the day. But then it became 453 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: clear pretty quickly that that was not ric SMO. And 454 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: that's very intentional. And why do you do. 455 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 3: This because I haven't been into that, No, Stalin Betro, 456 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 3: I would like to other people do that to me 457 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: if I go through all the hard stuff, make me 458 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 3: forget about what's happening in my life. 459 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: Families who have just arrived need to figure out the 460 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: basics first, where to live, how to support themselves, anything 461 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: to feel control over their lives again, especially as their 462 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,959 Speaker 1: immigration cases are still uncertain. 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