1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm Brian Curtis and I'm Doug Krisner. Here 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: are the stories we're following today. 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 2: US consumer confidence rising in December by the most since 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: early twenty twenty one. The Conference Boards Index increased to 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 2: one ten point seven from a revised reading of one 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 2: oh one in November. It comes as Americans grow more 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: upbeat about the economy and the labor market, But the 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: Conference Board's chief economist, Dana Peterson says there are still 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: some concerns. 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 3: We actually ask consumers for right ends, and the write 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 3: ends still continue to complain about inflation, both food and energy. 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 3: Their concerns about politics were a little less intense, but 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 3: they are concerned about interest rates. But interestingly, in December, 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 3: the number thinking that interest rates were going to continue 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 3: to rise of the next year actually lessen. So it's 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 3: still inflation. I still think that's the big story for consumers. 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: Dana Peterson, and more on that, the Conference boards outlook 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: for high prices did improve. I expected inflation a year 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: out fell to the lowest level since late twenty twenty. 20 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: Now look at the latest FED speak we heard today 21 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: from the head of the Philly Fed, Pat Harker, and 22 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: he was saying the FED should begin to cut rates, 23 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: although not immediately now. Compared to other recent FED speakers, 24 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: Harker's comments were more supportive of a rate cut in 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: early twenty four You know, markets have been betting on 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: the FED beginning to ease in March. Now. Harker will 27 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: not vote on policy next year, even so, he will 28 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: be a part of discussions during the next FOMC meetings. 29 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: Harker did not specify when it would be appropriate for 30 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: the FED to begin cutting rates or how many rate 31 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: cuts he sees in the new year. 32 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: Brian Well Micron Technology says the second quarter revenue will 33 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: be five point one to five point five billion dollars, 34 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: and that whole range was higher than analyst estimates of 35 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: four point nine to nine billion. Micron is the largest 36 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: US maker of memory semiconductors. We gain reaction here from 37 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: Dan Morgan at Snovi's Trust. 38 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 4: It reiterated to give further evidence that the rebound that 39 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 4: began in the really the February of twenty twenty three 40 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 4: in the chip industry is definitely gaining momentum. We're starting 41 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 4: to see that in the memory space. 42 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: Stan Morgan, the boom in artificial intelligence spending is also helping. 43 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: CEO Sanjay Morotra said that there is strong demand for 44 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: the expensive memory used in data centers to help develop 45 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: AI software and just kve having a look at micro 46 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: and Technology stock and how it's trading in after hours 47 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: at the moment of four point three percent. 48 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers Discovery has held merger talks with Paramount Global. 49 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: We are hearing these discussions are preliminary and they may 50 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: not lead to an agreement. Earlier, Axios had reported Warner 51 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: Brothers Discovery CEO David Zaslov had met with the head 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: of Paramount Global, Bob Bkish here in New York. That 53 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: happened sometime today. Bloomberg's Paul Sweeney breaks down the why 54 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: behind a possible deal between these two media companies. 55 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 5: The logic behind a lot of these media executives today 56 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 5: is I can't get too big here. There's not a 57 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 5: scenario where I don't need more scale because again, my 58 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 5: competitors are Netflix and some of the big technology companies. 59 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 5: Disney's probably in a good spot there, that's what most 60 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 5: people feel like, but everybody else has to really think 61 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 5: about what to do. And David Zaslov is a deal. 62 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: Maker that is Bloomberg's Paul Sweeney Now. A combination of 63 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers Discovery and Paramount Global would unite famous Hollywood properties, 64 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: including the Paramount and Warner Brothers Film and TV studios. 65 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: It would also put a number of pay TV and 66 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: broadcast stations such as HBO and CBS under a single roof, 67 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: and a merger would likely face intense scrutiny by federal regulators, 68 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: who have challenged numerous combinations under the Biden administration. 69 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: Ran Well City Group has decided to exit the distress 70 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: debt trading business that story from Bloomberg's Charlie Pillett. 71 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 6: It is part of its latest retrenchment in City Group's 72 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 6: effort to reshape the firm in pursuit of higher returns. 73 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 6: According to people briefed on the decision, the move comes 74 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 6: host City Group undergoes a strategic overhaul under CEO Jane Frasier. 75 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 6: The decision to exit the business will remove one of 76 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 6: the key players in distressed debt markets and follows a 77 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 6: recent decision by the bank to also get out of 78 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 6: municipal bond trading and underwriting in New York. Charlie Pellet 79 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 6: Bloomberg Radio Well Sales at. 80 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: China's Byte danc are said to have passed one hundred 81 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: and ten billion dollars this year. We have more from 82 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's for Shad Salamat in Hong Kong. 83 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 7: So to say by Dance has matched the thirty percent 84 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 7: growth it managed in twenty twenty two. That's when the 85 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 7: company reported sales in excessive eighty billion dollars. Total sales 86 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 7: this year would potentially be greater than its rival ten Cent, 87 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 7: and that's despite economic turbulence in China and elevated scrutiny 88 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 7: in key markets such as the US and India. It's 89 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 7: unclear how Bydowance performed in profitability this year, as internal 90 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 7: numbers have not been independently who did it, but this 91 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 7: year's scales that just bite downs has become one of 92 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 7: China's largest corporations by revenue in Hong Kong. I'm rashon 93 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 7: Salamic Bloomberg Radio. 94 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,679 Speaker 2: All right, now it's time for Global news. The US 95 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 2: and Venezuela completing a major prisoner swap. A batch to 96 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: with that story in the nine to sixty news moment 97 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: in San Francisco. 98 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 8: It yeah, Brian right to us the Senate, close ally 99 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 8: of President Nicholas Madura in exchange for the lease of 100 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 8: ten Americans that have been a prisoner and prison as 101 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 8: well as the extradition of defense contractor known as Fat Leonard, 102 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 8: who is at the center of a massive Pentagon bribery 103 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 8: scandal as well. President Biden says political promises. 104 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 9: We've laid down specific requirements for a democratic collection. 105 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 6: He's agreed all. 106 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 8: Biden also asked today about the Colorado Supreme Court ruling 107 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 8: taking Donald Trump off the ballot. There asked whether Trump 108 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 8: was an insurrectionist he saw it. 109 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: On on whether the fourteenth gun of the five I want 110 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: to coordinate that decision. 111 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 6: But he's certainly supportinate the insurrection, no question about it. 112 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 9: No there. 113 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 8: So Trump's future now rests with the US Supreme Court. 114 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 8: He shaped in the Colorado case, and he today as 115 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 8: well said the Supreme Court should hold off on intervening 116 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 8: in the federal criminal case in Washington, d c. Regarding 117 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 8: overturning the election, Harvard University law professor Lawrence Tribe on Bloomberg. 118 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 8: Not surprising, he says, but maybe not smart. 119 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 10: The Court of Appeals has no special expertise. Whatever it 120 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 10: says is going to be subject reviewed by the US 121 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 10: Supreme Court anyway, there's no reason to wait. His own 122 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 10: arguments are the reason not to wait. And of course 123 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 10: it's hugely important that it he decided so that voters 124 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 10: know when they're going to the polls whether they're voting 125 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 10: for a convicted felon or for someone who was longly accused. 126 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 8: Now the crux of the case there is whether he 127 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 8: has immunity. Special counsel Jack Smith asking for a fast track, 128 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 8: Smith seeking to ensure the trial can start March fourth. Politically, 129 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 8: Bloomberg's Mike Dorning says it could help Trump the short term. 130 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 9: It benefits Trump at a really critical time in the 131 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 9: publican nomination process. We're a few weeks away from those 132 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 9: first early primaries in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina. It's 133 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 9: the last chance for Republican to knock him out. And 134 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 9: now he's got the party rallying around him. He's the 135 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 9: center of attention. He's even got his rivals taking his 136 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 9: side on. 137 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 8: This, and other states are definitely affected by what's decided. 138 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 8: Michigan Arizona also have similar cases to the Colorado looking 139 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 8: for president. So a couple of things swirling around today 140 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 8: and a new Quinnipiac poll has Biden and Trump in 141 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 8: a dead heat at forty six forty seven percent, with 142 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 8: Robert Kennedy Junior sucking away twenty two percent of the 143 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 8: vote evenly from both. China's President she Champaign has told 144 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 8: US President Joe Biden that Beijing will reunify Taiwan with 145 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 8: mainland China, but the time has not been decided. Bloomber's 146 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 8: Kaylie Lyons reports a fine line to walk for the US, 147 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 8: whose technical position has had to support the One China. 148 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 11: Paula see As really underscores how difficult the Taiwan issue 149 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 11: is for this administration, which still technically abides by the 150 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 11: One China policy, tries to exercise strategic ambiguity when it 151 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 11: comes to Taiwan. But President Biden has also been on 152 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 11: the record saying that the US would come to Taiwan's 153 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 11: defense if attacked. Attack, of course, would implicate that it 154 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 11: is actually attempt to take it by force. 155 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 8: A conversation apparently occurred in San Francisco at APEX and 156 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 8: now I first been reported by NBC in Reaction today. 157 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 8: The first or hearing of it. Global News twenty four 158 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 8: hours a day and whenever you want it with Bloomberg 159 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,479 Speaker 8: News now in San Francisco. I'm at Baxter. This is Bloomberg. 160 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Asia. Brian Curtis and Paul Allen. 161 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,599 Speaker 2: Our colleague Vincent Signerella joins this. Vince's Bloomberg macro strategist 162 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: with us looking at market. So a fairly big sell 163 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 2: off there into the closed Vince. Some traders who are 164 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: talking about expiring zero day options that that may have 165 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: helped accelerate the sell off because it came up kind 166 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:03,239 Speaker 2: of abruptly, although investors know that the market has been extended. 167 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 2: Anything in particular, catch you rye, Yeah, today, I mean 168 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: to be honest, today the games were on a little 169 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 2: bit of shaky ground. 170 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 12: You could feel some exhaustion in the market. We were 171 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 12: barely in the green for most of the day, and 172 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 12: then late in the session a few traders were telling 173 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 12: me about those same day options somewhere in the naghbor 174 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 12: to eight to ten thousand, depending on who you talk to. 175 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 12: The exercise price was either forty seven fifty five forty 176 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 12: seven sixty on the SPX, but big size and what 177 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 12: it did was trigger the delta hedge and the cash 178 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 12: for a one point nine billion dollars so off, So 179 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 12: you kind of had a sleepy market, not really doing 180 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 12: much A few days before Christmas, traders not really like 181 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 12: totally on top of their game, paying attention maybe an 182 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 12: hour or so before the close, and a SmackDown going 183 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 12: into it, and that's what took it out. But you know, 184 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 12: I just keep it in minds like you're saying, same 185 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 12: day expiries, We'll see what happens tomorrow and the rest 186 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 12: of the week, and with PCE coming up, I don't 187 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 12: think it changes the game. I think it just was 188 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 12: sort of a one day situation. 189 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 13: Yeah, you mentioned with a sleepiness there. I had a 190 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 13: volumes look. Compared to a typical holiday leaden. 191 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 12: Period, I think they're kind of more of the same. 192 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 12: I think it may be a little bit elevated in 193 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 12: this case because we've seen such great gains coming through, 194 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 12: so there's a little bit of enthusiasm. You've got some 195 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 12: fomo going on, and then you have some profit taking 196 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 12: going on. I mean, for a trader at this stage 197 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 12: of the game, nothing you do at this point of 198 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 12: the year is going to do much for your bonus, 199 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 12: so you tend not to do much period. You're just 200 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 12: kind of covering corporate business and doing what you have 201 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 12: to do. There's not a lot you can do to 202 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 12: help your own books, so they don't really kind of 203 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 12: get too excited about things. 204 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: You can understand a little bit of indecision among some 205 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: when you look at the data. We had consumer confidence 206 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: pretty solid there, up up to that level of north 207 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: of one oh seven. At the same time, you have 208 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: factory activity in the US that has been contracting now 209 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: for more than a year, and so it's a little 210 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: tricky to try to figure out. Especially when you see 211 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: a dropping bond yields like today, you start thinking about, well, 212 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: maybe somebody sees a lot slower growth out there, your 213 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: thoughts on where the economy is moving and whether whether 214 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: or not that's in sync with markets. 215 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 12: I think you make a good point. I mean, first, 216 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 12: you know, first of all, we're not really a manufacturing 217 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 12: economy anymore, so slower factory growth isn't the endgame, if 218 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 12: you will. But at the same time, I think what 219 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 12: we've seen is delinquencies are increasing, revolving creditors that record highs. 220 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 12: Consumer likely is getting close to tapped out, probably will 221 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 12: be in the first maybe second quarter of next year. 222 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 12: So slower growth is definitely on the horizon, but I 223 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 12: think that plays into maybe a little bit more aggress 224 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 12: is said in terms of rate cuts, So it's you know, 225 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 12: a little six and one half a dozen to the other. 226 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 12: I don't see wheels falling off. I think it's going 227 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 12: to be a nice slow decline. You look at inflation 228 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 12: in the UK today, that was very encouraging. I think 229 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 12: central bankers keep pushing back and saying we're not going 230 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 12: to cut as aggressively as you say we are. But 231 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 12: I think the most important thing is don't count how 232 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 12: many times they're going to cut or you think they're 233 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 12: going to cut. The fact that they're going to cut 234 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 12: is what you really need to hold on to, and 235 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 12: that the quantitative tightening cycle is basically over. And if 236 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 12: it takes a little longer to get to where you 237 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 12: want it to be, that's fine. It'll just be a nicer, slower, 238 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 12: steadier pace of perhaps growth, earnings and risk assets. 239 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 13: Yeah, this idea of cutting rights, I mean that does 240 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 13: suggest the economy would require stimulus. I mean you mentioned 241 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 13: things sort of backing off a bit, but you know, 242 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 13: how much stimulus does the economy require? 243 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 10: Really? 244 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 13: I try it is getting a bit out of themselves 245 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 13: here in terms of this right expectation. 246 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 12: Yeah, I think way ahead of themselves, looking for three 247 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 12: next year and five actually the year after is very, very, 248 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 12: very aggressive. But again, I don't think it's an issue 249 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 12: of stimulus so much with the central banks. I think 250 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 12: it's an issue of a fear of overtightening, and they're 251 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 12: trying to get back to this neutral sort of balance 252 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 12: where they're not tightening, but they're not necessarily easing. They're 253 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 12: just feeding the economy what it needs to keep going. 254 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 12: They don't want to ease over ease either. They don't 255 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 12: want to see inflation pick back up again. But they're 256 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 12: very much now in the camp of, well, if we overtighten, 257 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 12: we could crater global growth, and that basically is the 258 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 12: exact opposite of what we saw during the pandemic or 259 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 12: post pandemic, which is not what they want to see. 260 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: On the corporate front, a couple of interesting possible mergers 261 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: Nippon Steele moving on US deal with a massive premium, 262 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,599 Speaker 2: and then hearing via Axios that Warner Brothers, Discovery and 263 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 2: Paramount Global are talking anything catch your eye in either 264 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 2: those stories or others like that. That kind of clue 265 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: you into the confidence in markets. 266 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 12: Well, you know, it's interesting, a lot of people are 267 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 12: talking about M and A picking up next year very 268 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 12: very aggressively. You talk to firms like you know, Molus, 269 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 12: which is one of the leaders in you know, a 270 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 12: small firm, the leader in M and A field. Everybody 271 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 12: expects this big jump at M and A. And I 272 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 12: think you make a good point that speaks to confidence. 273 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 12: You're not going to be going out as a corporate 274 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 12: CEO buying another company or looking to merge with another 275 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 12: company and likely taking on debt or diluting shares if 276 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 12: you don't think things are going to progress positively. It's 277 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 12: I think it's a good sign. It's a good sign 278 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 12: for global growth. 279 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: Yea, all right, Vince, thanks very much for joining us. 280 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: Vincent Signorella Bloomberg macro strategist with us. 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