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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, stuff you should know is going on tour.

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Speaker 1: Do Do Do Do One are the deeds my friend. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So starting August eighth in Toronto, that's in Canada. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna be at dan Fourth Music Hall. And then Chicago,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be there the next night, August nine, at

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Speaker 1: the Harris Theater at Chicago. We want to see your faces.

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Speaker 1: Step it up, Step it Up. Vancouver or the Vote

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Speaker 1: Theater September. That's gonna be a great show, I think,

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Speaker 1: don't you. It's gonna be a great of one. And

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Speaker 1: then in Minneapolis at the Pantageous Theater where we've been before.

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Speaker 1: It's lovely September. Yeah, and then we're gonna swing down

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Speaker 1: to Austin. It's gonna be during Austin City Limits, although

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Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with Austin City limits. Will

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Speaker 1: be there October ten, yes, and then we're going to

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Speaker 1: Lovely Lawrence, Kansas go Jayhawks, yeah on October eleventh. And hey,

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Speaker 1: if you're in Kansas City or anywhere in that area,

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Speaker 1: this is your chance. Get in your car. Yeah. Uh,

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Speaker 1: go to the Bellhouse October. Will be there all three nights,

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Speaker 1: and finally we're gonna wrap it up here in Atlanta

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Speaker 1: at the Bucket Theater on November four for a benefit

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Speaker 1: show where we are donating all of the money's to

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Speaker 1: Lifeline Animal Project of Atlanta and the National Down Syndrome Society. YEP.

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Speaker 1: So for all this information again visually and for links

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Speaker 1: dot com. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hey, welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Josh Clark, There's Charles W. Chuck Bright, there's Jerry's Stuff

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Speaker 1: you Should Know. That summer sunburn and addition your tan, well,

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Speaker 1: I did think it was kind of funny. I probably

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Speaker 1: have more sun on my face than I've had in years. Yes,

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Speaker 1: very easily, I would say, And I've been in the

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Speaker 1: sun a lot more lately. But I have been applying

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Speaker 1: sunscrew green. But as you will see very shortly, I

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Speaker 1: haven't been the best at reapplying it. No, That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm guilty of too, And so I end up getting

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Speaker 1: a tan, and then, of course, like a dummy, I'm like, hey,

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Speaker 1: tants look pretty good. I look fox people look good

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Speaker 1: with a little bit of a tan, which is just

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Speaker 1: how you fall into that trap of doing what's ultimately

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Speaker 1: very bad for yourself. Next up, Ascot's going down the

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Speaker 1: George Hamilton's route. But the rest of my body, well,

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Speaker 1: my lower my lower arms are tan and my face

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Speaker 1: is tan. Do you have like milk bottle calves? Tell

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Speaker 1: me everything else is white? Take off your pants, they're

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Speaker 1: already off. Okay, as always, your pants really are off? Um, Jerry,

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Speaker 1: did you know Chuck's pants are off? She's known for

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Speaker 1: nine years? Remember the the T shirt that listener made

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Speaker 1: his pants off? Mike's on or Mike's on pants off.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember the order that we do it. A

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Speaker 1: wax on, wax off. I think, uh, this one's long

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Speaker 1: overdo though, I think and pilot under our general public

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Speaker 1: service casts. Yeah, there's a lot of info that's floating

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Speaker 1: tans are healthy or even protective. Yeah, Like, well, we'll

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Speaker 1: go through all these and bust some myths, but handing

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Speaker 1: bad company saying like oh you need that vitamin D yeah,

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Speaker 1: We'll go through all this we're going to but let's

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Speaker 1: start Let's start where everything starts, Chuck, Let's start with

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Speaker 1: the sun. Alright, Sorry, So the Sun is streaming down.

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Speaker 1: You're familiar with the Sun. Our star, closest star, divides light, heat,

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. It's also bearing down on us

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Speaker 1: deadly radiation, trying to kill us all the time, right,

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Speaker 1: And there's three types, Well, there's three kinds of um

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Speaker 1: there's visible light light, and then there's ultra violet light

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Speaker 1: scar one ultra violet radiation, right, and then you can

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Speaker 1: break down ultra violet radiation into three more components, u

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Speaker 1: v A, UVB, and UVC. Actually, if we didn't have

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Speaker 1: of sun burn, and then you were fine. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's take a little break, get into the skin. So chuck,

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Speaker 1: thousands of years after the Egyptian dynasties were over, um,

422
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: there was a guy named Milton Blake. He was Australian

423
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: and he came up with what is considered the first

424
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: sun block in his kitchen apparently over like the course

425
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: of twelve years. And they still make it in Australia

426
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: and you really call it sun block back then, though

427
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: it's probably more like son They call it a good

428
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: first try. Yeah, he took him about twelve years of experimentation,

429
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: but like you said, he finally uh again selling it

430
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: and is it? What's is the brand called Milton Blake

431
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: that it was the one thing that I didn't look up.

432
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: All right, Well, while you do that, I'll go to

433
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 1: the nineteen forties, uh, to Switzerland. It was a swissman

434
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: named Franz Garita who was a climber, and we mentioned

435
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: snow um burns. Snow sun burns were pretty bad, and

436
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: so he was I think he had ascended Mount Pitts

437
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: on the Swiss Austrian border and got really burned. Is

438
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: that Pitts Palau from Inglorious Bastards? Is that the same mountain? Oh?

439
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I forgot about that part.

440
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: But he got really burned and was like this is awful.

441
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: So he came back and started work, uh and in

442
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: six came up with the Pitts Boone Glacier cream uh.

443
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: And this had an SPF of two, which um, like

444
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: you said, good start. I don't even know if that

445
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: qualifies as a good start. Well, it was probably more

446
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: than Milton Blake's, don't you think. Or well, supposedly occasion

447
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: people have a UM have a natural SPF of about three.

448
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: So this guy somehow managed to bring it down and

449
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: not um. And then in Miami, Florida, there was a

450
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: man named Benjamin Green. He was an airman and pharmacist

451
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: and he was flying in World War Two and got

452
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: a lot of sun up there, and so he uh

453
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: developed something called he labeled red VET pet red veterinary PETROLATTAM,

454
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: which I think is the same thing as petroleum. And

455
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 1: I was surprised when I saw that he was an

456
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: air and VET. I figured it meant like a veteran

457
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: of a war veterinary who knew uh. And then he

458
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: would later add a little cocoa butter, little coca nut oil,

459
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: and waila, you have copper tone. And then in nineteen

460
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: fifty six they revealed the little copper Tone girl illustration

461
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: and it became a household hit. I think actually helped

462
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: sun block in general become a thing. By the nineteen sixties. Yeah,

463
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: that little girl's name is Sherry Irwin, and she was

464
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: the daughter of the woman who designed it. Yeah, the illustrator, right. Yeah.

465
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: Joyce Balantine in nineteen fifty nine used her own daughter

466
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: as a model, and h Joyce Valentine on her own

467
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: was very um, just sort of an anomaly at the time.

468
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: She got a lot of work as a graphic artist

469
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, and her daughter called her a

470
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: maverick in that way, and that she was, you know,

471
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, it was kind of tough for

472
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: a lady to get that kind of high dollar work.

473
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: And so that's off to you, Joyce Balentine, and Cherry's

474
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: still around. I can see that Joyce might be too.

475
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: I saw a recent thing. Really this is ninety six. Yeah,

476
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: she may be gone, but the art that she could

477
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: totally be around. I mean, I forgot what you were was.

478
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: I didn't catch the date on the article I read

479
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: about her, but it's worth looking up. She's interesting. Um.

480
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, coppertone took off. The nineteen sixties is when

481
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: sun screens um kind of caught hold a little bit,

482
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: but it wasn't until the late seventies until the FDA

483
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: got involved and said, maybe we should like have some

484
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: guidelines here. Yeah, which they did, and a lot of

485
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: them didn't take some of them did. But one of

486
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: the things that the FDA did when they got involved

487
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: with UM sunscreen, especially in the U S, they're roundly

488
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: criticized for basically being really slow oh at testing the

489
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: chemicals that are used. On the one hand, hats off

490
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: for caring UM that the chemicals we put on our

491
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: bodies aren't gonna kill us, but at the same time,

492
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: hurry up. Apparently there's just a handful of chemicals that

493
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: are in use as active ingredients in sunscreen in the

494
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: United States, whereas Europe has something like eight I believe,

495
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: and I guess Europe and Japan their sunscreen is way

496
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: better than the stuff that we use here in the States. Yeah,

497
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: and it's not because they're just willing elly about what

498
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: they'll allow. They've actually researched and more chemicals. Yeah. Typically

499
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: the EU is pretty serious about when they clear chemicals.

500
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: It's pretty safe. So how does sunscreen work? So, Chuck,

501
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: here's how sunscreen works. For years and years and years

502
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: and years and years up until the century it was

503
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: it protected you from uvb only and even still there's

504
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: plenty of sunscreens out that only protect you from UVB.

505
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: So if you want protection from UVB and UV A,

506
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: which is what you want, you want to find one

507
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: that's called broad spectrum sunscreen and it will say that

508
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: they will champion that very clearly on the label. YEA.

509
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: And if it's not on the label, it doesn't do

510
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: anything to protect you from UVB. And so the whole,

511
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: the whole, Yeah, UV A only UVB. So you'll get

512
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: a tan, but you won't burn if you use it correctly. Yes,

513
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: you will just age right rapidly. So with UM, with sunscreen,

514
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: you will see also on the label it will say

515
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: SPF sun protection factor of fifteen or thirty or fifty

516
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: or hundred. Apparently it goes up to a hundred and ten. Now, yeah,

517
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of controversy with that too, which

518
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 1: we'll talk about. But with sunproof factor, this is how

519
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: they determine, are you ready. They take the UM, they

520
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: take the sun the sunscreen, and they put a little

521
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: square on somebody's bottom and then they expose it to

522
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: UV radiation. And they used the bottom because that is

523
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: the part of the body least likely to have gotten sun. Sure,

524
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: it's like a blank slate, right without being a sexual organ.

525
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 1: Well put yeah, because you don't want to test sun no,

526
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: no uh. And then they'll they'll go to the other

527
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: buttock and they will say, expose that to UV radiation,

528
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: but it won't be treated as sunscreen. And we'll do

529
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: this up again and again and again basically until you burn.

530
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: And then they will say, okay, well, um, what was

531
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: the minimum dose for the untreated buttock and we're gonna

532
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: take that and divide use that to divide the minimum

533
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: dose of UV radiation for the treated buttock. And then

534
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: that number is going to be SPF and we're gonna

535
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: round down to the nearest five. And that's what some

536
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: protection factor is. It's ultimately another way of saying what

537
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: percentage of the radiation from the sun this stuff blocks? Right,

538
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: So if you get sunburned after ten minutes and the

539
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: sun with nothing, if you put on SPF fifteen, you

540
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: can be in the sun for about a hundred and

541
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: fifty minutes without burning. Yeah, Because there's another way to you.

542
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: There's a formula for taking SPF to figure out how

543
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: it applies to you, and it is you take the

544
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: um the number of minutes it takes you to burn,

545
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: which who knows that? Do you know how long it

546
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: takes you to burn? This? This is the dumbest formula ever.

547
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: How many minutes it takes you to burn times the

548
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: number on the SPF and then that's how many minutes

549
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: you can hang out outside without burning. That's that's what

550
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: SPF means to you personally. Yeah, and here are the caveats,

551
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of them. One of them is

552
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: when they do these studies, they apply way more than

553
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: your average person does when they go to the wherever

554
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: in this sign. Yeah, they're applying the amount you're supposed

555
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: to apply. Uh, I would say, just cut everything in

556
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: half to be safe. That's probably pretty good. Like if

557
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm good with us the thirty maybe even

558
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: by three quarters, because I saw a lot of people

559
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: use between a quarter two a half of what you're

560
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: supposed to use, right, and one reason they do well,

561
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: the beginning application is already short changed. And then you

562
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: need to reapply this stuff because even though they say

563
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: sweatproof and waterproof, um, we all know that that isn't true.

564
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: Like throughout the day Supposedly, if you in the United

565
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: States market. Something is water resistant or very water resistant.

566
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: It has to last either forty or eighty minutes respectively

567
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: in the water. Right, But even still they say when

568
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: you get out, just immediately reapply sunscreen like you're starting

569
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: from scratch again. You should. Yeah, and I don't do

570
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: that either, Like you said, you don't know. It's it's

571
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: my great failing in life. That's one of mine, for sure. Uh. Well,

572
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: and we'll we'll get back to application here in a minute.

573
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: But I don't think we ever said for sure how

574
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: this stuff works. They work in a couple of different ways.

575
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: One of two ways. Uh. They form a barrier, either

576
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: absorbing or reflecting. So it's either a chemical filter or

577
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: literally physically blocking these UV rays. Yeah, and forever and

578
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: still apparently today. Zinc oxide is the main mineral that's

579
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: used as a physical blocker blocker. It reflects the song,

580
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: and it doesn't It just bounces right off of it. Yeah.

581
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: Like if you put zinc oxide on your face, you're

582
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: golden um. It is a gross, greasy, white and mess

583
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: that's seemingly impossible to absorb. Um. But if you don't

584
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: care what you look like, or ironically, if you do

585
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: care what you look like, uh in the long term,

586
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: but don't care in the short term. That's what you

587
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: should be using on your face for you like having

588
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: a nose, Yes, you should put sync oxide on it.

589
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: So that's that's a physical barrier. What the chemical filters do,

590
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: um they act like a synthetic melanin where they take

591
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: the UV radiation, absorb it, and then turn it into

592
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: waste heat energy. They don't allow it to penetrate the skin.

593
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: It's amazing. That's what sun screen is. It's a it's

594
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: a it's you're covering your body. You're putting it in

595
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: between the sun and your body so that the sun's

596
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: radiation can't penetrate through it to your skin beneath it.

597
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: It's amazing that they came up with that. Yeah, it's

598
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: pretty cool, especially considering the Egyptians had an idea of

599
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: what was going on here. Yeah. Uh so we mentioned

600
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: you know that. I think you said they go up

601
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: to what now, one tin? That's the highest I saw.

602
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: So the controversy there is is basically it doesn't it's

603
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: not an exponential growth anything over thirty. They just consider

604
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: the D plus because if you wear something that's a

605
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: one tin, it's not like, well, then that's you know,

606
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: four times almost as much as a thirty. It doesn't

607
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: work that way. No. And supposedly, if you if you

608
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: burn in ten minutes, right, and you are say, using

609
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: a seventy, you should be able to sit out in

610
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: the sun for seven hundred minutes without without getting a burn. Technically,

611
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: if everything was a hundred percent right, that that may

612
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: be true, but that it never works out that way

613
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: in practice, So just throw out that idea altogether, right. Um,

614
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: And like you said, the FDA wanted it to just

615
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: be thirty plus because at thirty, an SPF of thirty

616
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: blocks point seven percent of the sun's harmful rays, right, Um,

617
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: fifty though only blocks and a hundred blocks. Yeah, block

618
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: is better than blocking seven percent. But if you are

619
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: sitting there just going by the SPF number, and you're

620
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: using a thirty, and then you think, well, if I

621
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: use a hundred, I can just put it on once

622
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: and stay out all day. Um, that's where the problem lies.

623
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: It gives a false sense of security where you shouldn't

624
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: have security. And so that the FDA was saying, everybody

625
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: just used thirty and use it correctly and reapply it

626
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: a lot. I think what we use in our family

627
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: is generally the seventy and then we also have the

628
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: straight up zinc oxide. Oh you do, huh yeah, And

629
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't care what I look like anymore.

630
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: Have my pants off. I've got I've got one of

631
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: those like big wide brim like floppy fishing hats and

632
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: like camo with like the neck thing and everything, like

633
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: the jungle hat, like the jungle. I. Emily wears a

634
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: big straw hat because she just had a little skin

635
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: cancer removed from her temple. Oh no, she all right, Yeah,

636
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: she's good. They got it, and you know she's gonna

637
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: keep going back. But everything looks like in most cases

638
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: it is a little minor thing, you know. Um, but

639
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: she's like hardcore now and she always has been hardcore

640
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: about sunscreen for a while, but now it's that and

641
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: a hat. Yeah. And I wear my my trusty pith helmet.

642
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: A pith helmet, Yeah, a pith helmet, A pith helmet.

643
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: I wore it became I got it before I think

644
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: my first or not my first, only one. I've been

645
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: to Newport Folk Festival. Um, because they're great, they're comfortable,

646
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: they breathe, uh, they block out the sun. I think

647
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: they're super cool because you know, I'm the only guy

648
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: around with the pith helmet on. I'm easy to spot

649
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: in the crowd. Pith helmet and a UV shirt and

650
00:39:54,400 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: no pants, milk bottle white calves. No, well, yeah, it's

651
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: about right. That's if you see me at the pool,

652
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: that's me Ray bands, pith helmet, V shirt. Well it's

653
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: another one too. Like, even if you don't like wearing

654
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: sunglasses ts, you need to be wearing sunglasses and ones

655
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: that polarize. I feel like I'm going to die if

656
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: I don't wear sunglasses outside. Yeah, me too. I hate

657
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: bright light like it hurts, and I wear them a

658
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: lot inside. Like I know it's obnoxious, but in uh,

659
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: like bright spaces and airports and grocery stores a lot

660
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: of times I'll wear my sungla It's a statement. I

661
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: just I don't know, man, I don't like bright light.

662
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: I hate it. So, um, do you lay out in

663
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: the sunlight? No, okay, I don't either. No no, no,

664
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: like it's always in the shape for me. No, Like

665
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: I'll like I don't lay out or at all. But

666
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're like hanging out by a pool

667
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: or something. I'm almost always in the water. Okay, I'm

668
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: always under the I'll jump in the water to cool off,

669
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: but then I'm underneath like an umbrella the rest of

670
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: the time. What do you like, Read a book, listen

671
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: to music. Yeah, I'm almost always in the water because

672
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: it's so god awful hot for me in my sweatiness. Um,

673
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: but the pool is just my best friend. Yeah, it's nice.

674
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: And I'm generally like neck deep, not much exposed. So yeah,

675
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: about a foot down, run about to your nipples. Yeah

676
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: you're safe. Yeah, nipples up. You gotta be careful, chuck,

677
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: or I'll get one of those uh noodles boom noodles,

678
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: and I just saddle it up, straddle it and a

679
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: good a thick noodle keeps me at about mid chest

680
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: level and I can live with that, and I'll just

681
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: bob up and down for hours. Have you seen they

682
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,479
Speaker 1: have like these kind of nettings that you can run

683
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: a noodle through. You you like it. The reason I

684
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: don't like mine is because it doesn't fit the big noodle.

685
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: It fits the thinner noodle, And so I found out

686
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: had to do a little work to keep my chin up. Yeah,

687
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: you don't want to work a little. The kicking. It's

688
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: okay every now and then, but I had to kind

689
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: of constantly kick to keep my neck up, and I

690
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: like to just be either chest high or neck hind water.

691
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: That's my recipe. Um. I don't think we mentioned how

692
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: much you're supposed to use. No mean we should. You're

693
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: supposed to use for an average adult body. Whatever the heck.

694
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: That means. Um, about a shot glass size about an

695
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: ounce of sunscreen on your body and about a nickel

696
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: size him out for your face and neck. Right, So

697
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: you put that on fifteen to thirty minutes before you

698
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: go outside to let it absorb and do its work. Yeah,

699
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't do that. Um, once you

700
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: start to sweat, once you get in the pool, which

701
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: is when I start thinking about going outside. Right, you

702
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: want to reapply, you want to keep up with reapplying,

703
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: and um, you want to wear a hat broad spectrum

704
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: and you want broad spectrum, don't mess around. Get broad spectrum.

705
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: High SPF, get as high n SPF as you want.

706
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: It will block more percentage of the rays. It will

707
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: just Um, you just don't put your full faith in it. Yeah,

708
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: don't do the formula. Just throw the formula out go

709
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: highest PF broad spectrum, reapply and and don't forget some

710
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: areas of your feet, like your ears and stuff. And

711
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: they also said this is good advice their number one thing.

712
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: Where'd you get this? Actually? Do you remember all over

713
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: which which part? The one through five tips? I think

714
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: that was from how Stuff Works? Okay, Um, it says

715
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: know thyself. So if you're super white, red headed Irish

716
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: person ladder last and you know you've been dealing with

717
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: this your whole life, you don't have to be told.

718
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: But you burned super easy, you might want to use more,

719
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: reapply more often, or if you have a prevalence of

720
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: skin cancer in your family, you might want to take

721
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: that into consideration for anything else. Uh I do. I

722
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: got one more thing, just on the spray versus the cream.

723
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: All these sprays are the rage now you know, but

724
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm you're super easy. The wind well, yeah, sure, the

725
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: wind is a factory and think about that. Uh. They

726
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: are very convenient, but Consumer Reports says, don't use them

727
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: on your kids because inhaling the fumes is no good. Um.

728
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: And you can tell you get a mouthful that you're like. Um. Basically,

729
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: what it comes down to is. The upside is is

730
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: that if you are more likely to use the spray

731
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: than nothing, then use the spray. If if the convenience

732
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: is what makes the difference, then go wild with it.

733
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: Don't use it on your kids, don't use it on

734
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: your face ever. Rub it in, you know, spray then

735
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: rub it in. You're not supposed to use it on

736
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: your face. Yeah, they say don't spray it on your face.

737
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: I mean the spray in your face sometimes. Um, And

738
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: it says how how long you apply it makes a difference.

739
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: So if you just spray for two to three seconds,

740
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: you're getting you're not get enough. Oh yeah, you definitely

741
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: don't want to do it on your face then, so

742
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: they definitely side with creams is better. But if you

743
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: just won't use anything because you hate the cream, then

744
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: use the spray. Yeah, it's good advice. One day we're

745
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: gonna have some perfect sunscreen that does the trick and

746
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna know how to use it just right, and

747
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: everything will be great, just in time for this climate

748
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: change thing too. Yeah. If you want to know more

749
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: about sunscreen, sun block, sun tanned sun lotion, everything, I

750
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: don't think you could know more about it. Yeah, just

751
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: go to sleep. Go to sleep and let this gel

752
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: and you will know everything there is to know. And

753
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: since I said jel, it's time for listener mail, I'm

754
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: gonna call this. Oh. This is one where I get

755
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: to chime in on something in real time. Hey guys,

756
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: my name is Rebecca Chan, and first I'd like to

757
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: say I love your show. By listening to it, I

758
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: impress people with my knowledge of random things. It's a

759
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: good start, Rebecca. I wanted to write in about your

760
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: episode on election laws and voter fraud. You mentioned early voting,

761
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: and this reminded me of the time I got into

762
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: an argument online with someone about it. Well, no, people

763
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: argued online I really like early voting, but this person

764
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: said they disagreed with it and wish it would be

765
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: taken away because they felt it was disrespectful to not

766
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: go on actual election day, seeing they did not think

767
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: people who went to vote early actually cared about elections.

768
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: This was surprising to me because I only thought of

769
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: early voting as an alternate, more convenient way to vote.

770
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: Then again, maybe I'm just a stupid millennial who buys

771
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: too much avocado toast. What are you? She burned herself?

772
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on early voting being disrespectful to

773
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: elections from Rebecca Chan Rebecca, We're most likely apt to

774
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: say to each his own, but I will say that

775
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: that person is stupid. That makes zero sense. It's not

776
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: like shooting fireworks off the day before the fourth the July.

777
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: You know, like, if you can vote earlier, vote earlier.

778
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: Being disrespectful to an election day by voting early is

779
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's pretty ridiculous. So

780
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: whoever said that on the internet is not interneting correctly. Nice,

781
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: pretty good. Chuck shut that down and hats off to

782
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: Rebeccaford just being genuinely puzzled by it rather than like

783
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: you're an idiot. Yeah. Uh. If you want to get

784
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: in touch with us, like Rebecca did, you can tweet

785
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: to us at s Y s K podcast. You can

786
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: join us on Facebook dot com, slash Stuff you Should Know.

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Speaker 1: You can send us an email the Stuff podcast at

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