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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I Want Justice.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace premieres March ninth, only on

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Speaker 1: Fox Nation. A seventeen year old girl, Page Johnson goes

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Speaker 1: missing two ten the search is on in the last

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Speaker 1: Hour's a major break and the search for Page Johnson

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Speaker 1: Kentucky Beauty. What happened the night Page goes missing? What

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Speaker 1: clues have been left behind? One anonymous tip about a

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Speaker 1: water cistern leads police on a wild goose chase. But

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Speaker 1: has the case finally been cracked? I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Crime

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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Today friends searched East Fork Lake

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Speaker 1: in Batavia after a court document stated the man last

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Speaker 1: scene with Page Johnson was in that area hours after

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Speaker 1: she was picked up from her Florence home. Jacob Bumpus

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Speaker 1: and tonight the Taylor mill Man is being held at

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Speaker 1: the Kenton County Jail on approbation violation. Prior to her disappearance,

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Speaker 1: Bumpus posted a picture of him in seventeen year old

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Speaker 1: Page Johnson on his MySpace page. Court document state he's

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Speaker 1: the last man to see Page after she disappeared on

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Speaker 1: September twenty third. I honestly didn't see him as the

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Speaker 1: type to do anything to Page. We've all been friends

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Speaker 1: good guy. Page was supposed to be dropped off at

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Speaker 1: her house around one am. The teen, who was a

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Speaker 1: mother to a two year old daughter, sent her sister

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Speaker 1: a cryptic message on Facebook a half hour before she

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Speaker 1: facebucked me and she said, girl, I need to talk

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Speaker 1: to you immediately. But what time is that? Twelve fourteen?

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, a stunning break and the search

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Speaker 1: for a teen Kentucky girl Page Johnson, I mean, see Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. But before we go straight out

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Speaker 1: to Kentucky, an alert a Lee County, Alabama girl just

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Speaker 1: four years old. Go to crime online dot com. Look

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Speaker 1: at her picture. Beautiful little girl, face covered in freckles,

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Speaker 1: beautiful red hair, just four years old. You know how

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Speaker 1: defenseless children are at four years old? Goes missing when

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Speaker 1: walking her dog. Less than twenty four hours ago. Evelyn

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Speaker 1: Vady sides lasting two thirty pm the five thousand black

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Speaker 1: Lee County Road sixty six in Auburn, Alabama. She was

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Speaker 1: walking her red dog. She's just three feet tall, she

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Speaker 1: only weighs forty pounds, red hair, beautiful green eyes, a

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Speaker 1: little red mark on her nose. Evelyn Vady was last

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Speaker 1: scene wearing short sleeved floral dress when she went missing.

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Speaker 1: If you have any information on this beautiful little girl,

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Speaker 1: just four years old, three feet tall, dial three three

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Speaker 1: the Lee County Sheriff's office, or of course you can

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Speaker 1: call nine one one. Evelyn Vady sides, we know that

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Speaker 1: with each minute that passes, the likelihood of bringing her

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Speaker 1: we turn our attention to a seventeen year old, a

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Speaker 1: teen Kentucky girl, Page Johnson, who disappears ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: Where did it all start? You were just hearing our

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Speaker 1: friends at WCPO Channel nine News. That was Shannon Kettler,

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Speaker 1: What happened to Paige? With me? An All Star panel?

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Speaker 1: Kirk Nurmi, former lawyer for Jody Arius, high profile defense lawyer,

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Speaker 1: author of Trapped with Miss Arius. Bobby Jacon, former special

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Speaker 1: Asian FBI start a Facebook series Curse of akacor He's

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Speaker 1: seen it all. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of

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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator,

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Speaker 1: forensics psychiatrist. You can find him on Instagram, doctor Daniel Bober.

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Speaker 1: But right now now to w CYB Bristol, Virginia's Kristen

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Speaker 1: Kwan Kristin, thank you so much for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Let's just start at the beginning. You know, I like

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Speaker 1: to establish a timeline at the beginning. But tell me

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Speaker 1: who is Page Johnson. She's only seventeen years old. That's great, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: So Paige Johnson is a seventeen year rule and she's

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Speaker 1: described for her family and social outgoing girl or everyone

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Speaker 1: on September twenty third, twenty ten. Wow, Wow, that's ten

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Speaker 1: long years have passed to Joseph Scott Morgan forensic expert

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. When you are presented, I mean, I remember

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Speaker 1: how do you do that? It's very difficult, Nancy, because

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Speaker 1: You have evidence that begins to be eradicated. In this

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Speaker 1: by that evidence is eradicated? What? Well, you know, time, weather, space,

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Speaker 1: diminishes your chances, your opportunities as an investigator to piece

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the disappearance of a seventeen year old girl,

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Speaker 1: Page Johnson, but in the last hours, a stunning break

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Speaker 1: Five years ago, Paige left her mother's home in Florence.

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Speaker 1: awful crime stories with Nancy Grace. A tipbrout authorities here

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Speaker 1: Alisa Johnson one of many hoping today's the day they

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Speaker 1: get the answers they've been waiting two years for. There's

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Speaker 1: been hundreds of tips. Generally, if any of them show

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Speaker 1: were just hearing WCPO Channel nine news reporter mckill a

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Speaker 1: seventeen year old Kentucky beauty Page Johnson described as spunky, outgoing,

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Speaker 1: What happened to Page? And you hear about that tip?

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Speaker 1: kirk Nermy Bobby Chicon, Joe Scott Morgan, doctor Daniel Bober,

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Speaker 1: I do see what it means, Nancy. And what this

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Speaker 1: means is that the individual that has involved with her

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Speaker 1: disappearance and with all of the circumstances surrounding it, has

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Speaker 1: to have a familiarity with this area specific enough to

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Speaker 1: go to this area. But you know, as Tom has

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Speaker 1: gone by, her remains suddenly became visible. Now I don't

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Speaker 1: know what state they were in relative to that, whether

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Speaker 1: they were still buried in a depressed area, just lay

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Speaker 1: on top of the ground. But this individual that had

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Speaker 1: access to her also had access to this area and

434
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Speaker 1: would know how to move around in that area. I mean, everybody,

435
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: just think silently for a minute. Whatever you do, don't

436
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Speaker 1: tell me because I'll be on you like a cheap suit.

437
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Speaker 1: Think where would you hide a body? Think about it.

438
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: It's somewhere, you know, somewhere where you're familiar. Bobby did

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Speaker 1: Come a former special agent FBI star Facebook series Curse

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Speaker 1: of Aqacre way in Bobby, You've seen it many times over. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, we often do that. We say you are

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Speaker 1: two circles, right when you do a homicide, the world

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Speaker 1: of the victim in the world of the location where

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Speaker 1: either the homicide took place, where the body's found. And

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00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: so when you do that and you put all those

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Speaker 1: people in those circles, the people that are in the

447
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Speaker 1: overlapping part of those two circles, are you know, your

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Speaker 1: primary suspects. So did somebody that's all in her life

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Speaker 1: also have familiarity with that geographic area and you start

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Speaker 1: looking at those people first? Because you're right. I think

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Speaker 1: the exercise you just gave us, I think every one

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Speaker 1: of us when you gave us that that task, I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking where we would we immediately thought of a police

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Speaker 1: we know, because why would we think of a police

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Speaker 1: completely random to us, but a random place would be

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Speaker 1: much more difficult for a police to find us attached to. So,

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Speaker 1: so yes, it's something like doctor Mortgage just said. It's

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Speaker 1: something that it's a place that somebody knows. You have

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Speaker 1: to look at people that know that area. Maybe they've

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Speaker 1: hunted in that area before, depends how far off the

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Speaker 1: road it is. So they're going to do kind of

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Speaker 1: a geographic profile of that location, and then and then

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Speaker 1: from that you can kind of, uh, you know, look

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Speaker 1: at your suspect pool and see who fits. Okay, Man,

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Speaker 1: I love it when you taught criminal to me geo

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Speaker 1: geographic profile. That's I've never heard it called that. I know,

467
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Speaker 1: to figure out who would be in that area. But

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Speaker 1: I like that phrase, geographic profile. I'm stealing it. I

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Speaker 1: made it up. It's my phrase, and you sell it

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Speaker 1: from me. Bobby. That's my story. Kurt Irby, do you

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Speaker 1: ever think, for Pete's sake, can you hide the body

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Speaker 1: somewhere other than you back your order your basement? Kurt?

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Speaker 1: Because you're the veteran defense attorney, you've handled one hundred homicides,

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Speaker 1: you handle Jodyarris, I'm sure you're not going to say yes,

475
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Speaker 1: she was guilty. But come on, she leaves the body

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Speaker 1: and the victims shower. Come on, please where she last was?

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Speaker 1: People hide dead bodies where they are familiar, Kirk, has

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Speaker 1: anybody ever surprised? You? Don't give me a name. I

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Speaker 1: don't want your ethical integrity to be compromised. But has

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Speaker 1: anybody ever surprised you where they hit a body or evidence? Not? Really? No,

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Speaker 1: I mean it is a familiarity. I mean, even though

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Speaker 1: it sounds so funny in this situation, I mean, people

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Speaker 1: go with what they know and the area they feel

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Speaker 1: safe and regardless of what they're doing. And so Bobby's right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna look at that geographic area and

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Speaker 1: look at the suspects and hope someone within that area

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Speaker 1: has a crisis of conscious. You know, it's almost like this,

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Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bobe, you're the shrink. Excuse me, forensics. I

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Speaker 1: trust doctor Bober. It's like a dog will go and

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Speaker 1: circle round and round and round before she sits down.

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Speaker 1: It's instinct. Why do we do it? Why hide the

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Speaker 1: body exactly where you quote? Hunt, filling the blank, picnic fish,

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Speaker 1: whatever are frequent? Why it's you know, it's a comfort level?

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Speaker 1: You do you do it where you feel comfortable, in

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00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: the same reason why criminals hunt in the areas that

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Speaker 1: they live in, because there's a certain sense of comfort.

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00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: They feel safer because they know the territory. Time stories

498
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Police say bump has told them he

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Speaker 1: dropped off Page at fifteenth and Scott Boulevard, but search

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Speaker 1: warrants file by Covington police indicate otherwise, and affidavit states

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Speaker 1: Bumpus admitted to being with Johnson the night of the

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Speaker 1: twenty second and gave her alcohol. Officers later searched his

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Speaker 1: tailor mill home on De Corsi Pike to find what

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Speaker 1: appeared to be blood in late TeX's gloves and the

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Speaker 1: kitchen sink. According to the affidavit, cell phone records belonging

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Speaker 1: to Bumpus show he was near Johnson's home at one

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Speaker 1: am and several hours later at Eastcorp Lake State Park

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Speaker 1: in Batavia. If anybody names her on my sisters at

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Speaker 1: please contact us the cops and let them know and Bumpus,

510
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Speaker 1: if you nay something, then you need to come clean

511
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Speaker 1: because this is scaring all of us up. It's important

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Speaker 1: to note tonight, Jacob Bumpus has not been charged in

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Speaker 1: any way in connection to Page Johnson's disappearance. He's in

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Speaker 1: jail tonight because he violated his probation for having alcohol

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Speaker 1: at his home. You were hearing our friends at WCPO

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Speaker 1: Channel nine. That was Shannon Kettler reporting, Okay, who is

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Speaker 1: this guy, Jacob bump Us. We know at the time

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Speaker 1: that Page goes missing twenty ten, the twenty two year

519
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: old Bumpus picked Page up from her mother's home to

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Speaker 1: take her to a party. He later told police he

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Speaker 1: dropped her off fifteen minutes from her home at a

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Speaker 1: Covington intersection. I'd have to say, why why leave her

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes from home? It was hard for cups to

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Speaker 1: find out anything from anybody at the party. Everybody was drinking,

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Speaker 1: They all had slightly different stories. Nobody could pin down

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Speaker 1: exactly what happened. But then comes phone records. Phone records

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00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: indicate Bumpus was not telling the truth that he was

528
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Speaker 1: actually in Florence at the time he said he dropped

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Speaker 1: Page off. He also made a call that night from

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Speaker 1: East Fork State Park in Claremont County around four twenty

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Speaker 1: eight am. That location was pinged about a little over

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Speaker 1: a mile away where Page's body was discovered, which begs

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Speaker 1: the question why didn't they ping his phone at the

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Speaker 1: time and then bring out the canines, the cadaver dogs.

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Speaker 1: That's the big question for me. That's what I would

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Speaker 1: have done to Kristin Kwan joining me w CYB, Bristol, Virginia.

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Speaker 1: You told me a hunter discovered her body was his

538
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: cell phone pinged the boyfriend at the time, but at

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00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: the time when she went missing, they did later on

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Speaker 1: ping his cell phone to see where he had been,

541
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Speaker 1: and they actually, from what I understand, searched that park

542
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Speaker 1: because his cell phone ping there, but they weren't able

543
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: to find anything back when this all started in twenty page,

544
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: Johnson disappeared September twenty three, two ten. Now she would

545
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Speaker 1: be twenty seven. She was only seventeen years old, with

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Speaker 1: a million dollars smile and her life ahead of her

547
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: coming to police say. Her remains were located Sunday near

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Speaker 1: Williamsburg Township. Back to Kristin kwand WCYB, Bristol. I believe

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Speaker 1: you said earlier she was identified through dental records. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's correct. If they know their teams went in and

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Speaker 1: that's how they figured out that it was her was

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Speaker 1: through dental records too. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville

553
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Speaker 1: State University, an author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,

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Speaker 1: Jesscott explain how dental records can be used when you

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00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: don't have time to go get DNA or you don't

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Speaker 1: have DNA. Yeah, well, you know, the dental records have

557
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: always been, you know, traditionally in the medical legal community,

558
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: have always been our fallback position. And that's because the

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Speaker 1: vast majority of people in the US have had some

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Speaker 1: kind of dental treatment. If we if we have a

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Speaker 1: suspicion of who a skeleton or who a skull might

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Speaker 1: have belonged to in life, we can go back to

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Speaker 1: that family and say, did your loved ones have dental

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Speaker 1: care at some point in time? And dental care is

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00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: very specific. Nancy, teeth are rotated in certain ways, you

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Speaker 1: have certain cavities that are there, you have certain restorations

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Speaker 1: like fillings and caps, so we compare those to the

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Speaker 1: body that we have. So you have to have any

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Speaker 1: mortal records and then the post mortal remains and it

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00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: ties back pretty quickly next to DNA. It's probably one

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Speaker 1: of the most reliable sources we have for the purposes

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Speaker 1: of identification. In twenty ten, pages disappearance caused massive public vigils,

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Speaker 1: investigative searches that were exhausted social media Facebook pages looking

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Speaker 1: for clues and helping her family. Nothing led to Page Johnson.

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Speaker 1: It was her sister, Brittany Haywood that reported her missing,

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Speaker 1: and the boyfriend, Jacob T. Bump Us, then twenty two

577
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Speaker 1: of Taylor Mill was questioned, but nothing ever happened with that.

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Speaker 1: He told cops he dropped Page off one am at

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Speaker 1: an intersection. I mean, Kurt Normy, does that sound right?

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Speaker 1: Do you drop a seventeen year old girl off at

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Speaker 1: one am at an intersection at crossways in the street

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Speaker 1: when you're just fifteen minutes from home? It doesn't make

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Speaker 1: a lot of sense. No, And it follows from there

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Speaker 1: and usually most criminals are not really good at lying.

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Speaker 1: And this life just doesn't make any sense. Why does

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Speaker 1: he right? Why does he do that? They're fifteen minutes

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Speaker 1: away from home. Why doesn't he take her home? You

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00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: combine that with the records, and the police are rightfully

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Speaker 1: suspicious of mister Bumpers. Well, I have good news regarding

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00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: the police based on additional phone records investigators did go

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Speaker 1: to East Fork State Park in Claremont County with cadaver dogs.

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Speaker 1: It's a ten thousand acre park and they focused their

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Speaker 1: search in the park because of that last known pain.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell everybody, Bumpus has not been charged. He

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Speaker 1: has not been named a suspect. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friends at w KRC Local twelve, Clancy Burke. In

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Speaker 1: the ten years Page Johnson has been missing, Covington police

598
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: have not given up. It was just two months ago

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Speaker 1: they brought a new detective onto the case, and then

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00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: three days ago they received a big lead. Over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: a man called nine one one saying he thought he

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Speaker 1: found human remains in a wooded area in Claremont County.

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00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: This was near Williamsburg Township. The remains were then sent

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Speaker 1: to the Coroner's office for analysis, and late yesterday it

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Speaker 1: was confirmed they were the remains of Page Johnson. She

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Speaker 1: was last seen on September twenty third, two ten, after

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Speaker 1: leaving her Florence home to hang out with friends. A

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Speaker 1: man Johnson was with that night, Jacob Bumpus, told police

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Speaker 1: in twenty ten that he had dropped Page off in

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Speaker 1: Covington that night, but phone Pains revealed he had been

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Speaker 1: in the area of East Fork Leake State Park in

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Speaker 1: the morning she disappeared. By the way. That's just a

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Speaker 1: couple of miles away from where Page's remains were found.

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Speaker 1: Comington Police Chief Rob Nader wouldn't elaborate on any suspects

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Speaker 1: in the case, but said this is a big step

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Speaker 1: for the department. He notified Page's mom about the discovery

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Speaker 1: earlier this morning. I think there is some good feelings

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Speaker 1: that least her daughter has been located. Earlier this morning,

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Speaker 1: Commonwealth's Attorney Rob Sanders said there are people out there

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Speaker 1: who knew things who should be nervous right now. I

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Speaker 1: guess so. I guess so. And according to the sister

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Speaker 1: Brittany Heywood quote, I know there are other people who

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Speaker 1: know what happened to my sister that night. How they

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Speaker 1: sleep at night is baffling to me, and I agree

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Speaker 1: with her. We wait as justice unfolds for those of

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Speaker 1: you just joining us. Major break in the search for

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Speaker 1: Payes Johnson. Her remains have been identified. If you have information,

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Speaker 1: call one eight hundred the Lost one eight hundred, eight

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Speaker 1: four three five six seven eight or five one three

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Speaker 1: three five two three zero four zero. Your tip can

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Speaker 1: remain anonymous. It can c A N remain anonymous five

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Speaker 1: one three three five two three zero four zero or

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eight four three, five, six seven eight Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,