WEBVTT - Episode 9: The Vanishing

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin previously on deep Cover.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Cooley's mission had a name. The FBI called it

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<v Speaker 2>Operation Gambat, short for Gambling Attorney. Bob's objective was to

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<v Speaker 2>take down Pat Marcy and his corrupt political machine in

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<v Speaker 2>the first ward, and Bob was making great progress. He

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<v Speaker 2>had gotten Pat Marcy on tape. But would that be enough?

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<v Speaker 3>Every day that you continue to do this, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>scarier day.

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<v Speaker 4>When should you stop.

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<v Speaker 2>To make matters more complicated? An investigative TV journalist had

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<v Speaker 2>begun to expose what the FBI was up to. Pat

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<v Speaker 2>Marcy and his guys now knew without a doubt the

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<v Speaker 2>FBI was coming for them, which made Bob's work even

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<v Speaker 2>more dangerous.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you're scared, and he's scared, and everybody's scared.

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<v Speaker 4>Anything could happen.

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<v Speaker 3>We were going to do everything in our power not

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<v Speaker 3>to make a mistake, because this guy could get killed

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<v Speaker 3>just like that.

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<v Speaker 2>You might recall it was Pat Marcy who asked Bob

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<v Speaker 2>to help fix an infamous murder case back in the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventies. Bob had agreed to do Marcy's bidding, and

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<v Speaker 2>he convinced an otherwise clean judge named Frank Wilson to

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<v Speaker 2>take a bribe. As a result, a reputed hitman, Harry Elaman,

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<v Speaker 2>walked free. Afterwards, the judge took a beating in the press.

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<v Speaker 2>Rumors spread that he'd been bribed, and according to Bob,

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<v Speaker 2>the judge told him angrily, you destroyed me. All of

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<v Speaker 2>this old history was now suddenly relevant again. If the

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<v Speaker 2>FEDS could prove that this case had in fact been fixed,

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<v Speaker 2>and that Pat Marcy had orchestrated it, it'd be damning,

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<v Speaker 2>and Bob hoped this might lead to a retrial of

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<v Speaker 2>Harry Alamann for the murder of William Logan, which would

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<v Speaker 2>be a big deal. It would give Bob a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to write an old wrong. If fixing the Harry Alamann

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<v Speaker 2>case was Bob's original sin, well here was a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to make up for it. But how would the FEDS

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<v Speaker 2>prove that this bribe had taken place? Sure, they had

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<v Speaker 2>Bob's account, but in theory, what would really help was

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<v Speaker 2>corroboration from the judge himself, Frank Wilson. He was now

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<v Speaker 2>retired and living out in Arizona. According to Bob's handlers

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<v Speaker 2>at the FBI, Steve and Marie, they wanted Bob to

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<v Speaker 2>wear a wire and get the judge on tape. They

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<v Speaker 2>say Bob was very reluctant.

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<v Speaker 3>Because he cared about Frank. He really did care about

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<v Speaker 3>Frank Wilson. They were old, but because Frank was, in

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<v Speaker 3>Bob's words, a good guy. He had been lured into

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<v Speaker 3>the mafia's hornets nest by fixing a case of a mobster.

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<v Speaker 4>So Bob was trying.

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<v Speaker 3>To clean that up, I think a bit with Judge Wilson,

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<v Speaker 3>but also get him to acknowledge that he had participated

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<v Speaker 3>in a fix.

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<v Speaker 4>It killed him to have to do Frank Wilson. He

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<v Speaker 4>did not want to do Frank Wilson. He really liked

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<v Speaker 4>Frank Wilson.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob was in a real pickle. He wanted to help

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<v Speaker 2>the Feds build their case, and in a way it

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<v Speaker 2>was his case too, because Bob was deeply invested in

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<v Speaker 2>making Operation Gambat a success. Yeah, Bob says he also

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to give the judge a heads up about what

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<v Speaker 2>was coming, that their backroom deal might soon be exposed. Bob,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe there were things the judge could do to

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<v Speaker 2>protect himself. As far as I could tell, Bob seems

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<v Speaker 2>to have convinced himself with some magical thinking that he

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<v Speaker 2>could both expose his friend and protect him at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time.

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<v Speaker 5>There's no way I'm going to be the one cause

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<v Speaker 5>of my friend the problem. I'm trying to help him.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm trying to keep him from getting into trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>But Bob wasn't being fully transparent because Bob would be

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<v Speaker 2>wearing a wire secretly recording their conversation, and as it

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<v Speaker 2>turns out, this visit would set off a chain of

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<v Speaker 2>events that would have profound consequences for both men. At

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<v Speaker 2>this point, Operation Gambat would be coming to a close soon. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Bob knew it, and so did his handlers at the

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<v Speaker 2>FBI and so on. Top of everything else, Bob also

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<v Speaker 2>had to start planning his exit because the man known

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<v Speaker 2>as Bob Cooley would not exist for much longer. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Jake Halburn and this is Deep Cover Mobland, Episode nine.

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<v Speaker 2>The Vanishing Bob didn't go out to Arizona alone. He

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<v Speaker 2>invited his old secretariat lover, Katherine Fleming. He hoped her

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<v Speaker 2>presence might lighten the mood. So Bob settles in at

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<v Speaker 2>a resort and arranges to have dinner with the Wilsons.

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<v Speaker 2>Before dinner, Bob wires up. Then he and Catherine go

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<v Speaker 2>down to the restaurant to find the judge and his wife.

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<v Speaker 5>We met, Hi, Frank, how are you? You know what's

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<v Speaker 5>going on? And you know, hey, how you been just

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<v Speaker 5>small talking? And we walked into the restaurant. We get

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<v Speaker 5>our table.

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<v Speaker 2>They have an uneventful dinner together. Afterwards, they take a

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<v Speaker 2>little stroll out to the parking lot, and we know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what's said next because we actually got a hold

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<v Speaker 2>of the transcript from Bob's secret recording. The conversation among

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<v Speaker 2>the couples seems friendly. They chat about the weather, what

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<v Speaker 2>type of suntown lotion is best, and if Bob should

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<v Speaker 2>visit the Grand Canyon. The judge tells Catherine politely, good

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<v Speaker 2>seeing you again. Then Bob manages to pull the judge

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<v Speaker 2>aside for a private conversation, and ever so casually, he

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<v Speaker 2>brings up the Harry Alamann trial. He insinuates that the

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<v Speaker 2>authorities are looking into it, re examining it. Bob says, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>there's probably about half a dozen people that know the

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<v Speaker 2>whole story on that, and the trouble is a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of them are going to cooperate. Bob is bullshitting here,

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<v Speaker 2>making up a story about some other guys who are

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<v Speaker 2>supposedly cooperating. In other words, he's not telling the judge

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<v Speaker 2>I myself went to the FEDS. I'm the source of

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<v Speaker 2>all this. Bob goes on to say, quote, if I

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<v Speaker 2>ever get called in to testify, I'm going to testify.

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<v Speaker 2>The only way I can get in trouble is by

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<v Speaker 2>perjuring myself. He then adds, don't worry about me, but

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<v Speaker 2>don't put yourself in a bad spot by perjuring or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not worth it, and this is his warning to

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<v Speaker 2>the judge. Bob also reminds him that the statute of

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<v Speaker 2>limitations is expired on any bribery charges, meaning the judge

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<v Speaker 2>would in theory be safe to tell the truth. Bob

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<v Speaker 2>then asks the judge, quote, what are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>The judge replies, don't worry about me. As Bob rambles on,

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<v Speaker 2>the judge keeps saying I don't know anything about anything.

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<v Speaker 2>He says this four times. It's almost like he knows

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<v Speaker 2>he's being recorded. At one point, Bob tells him bluntly,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want you to get mad at me, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if it comes right down to it. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to take the fall. Finally, Bob and the

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<v Speaker 2>judge walk back to where the ladies are standing. The

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<v Speaker 2>judge's wife says, well, thank you very much. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just a delight. Bob banters a bit more. He even says,

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<v Speaker 2>if I come back, we'll do dinner together. We'll try

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<v Speaker 2>the same place next time. As far as the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>was concerned, this was hardly a home run. The judge

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<v Speaker 2>did not admit taking a bribe. For his part, Bob

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<v Speaker 2>felt that he had warned his old friend about what

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<v Speaker 2>was coming. Though I suppose this was like warning your

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<v Speaker 2>friend that you just set fire to his house. But

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the fire was inevitable. For years, Chicago had been

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<v Speaker 2>a dark hole of corruption. So many cases had been fixed,

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<v Speaker 2>so many people were complicit, so many lies had been told.

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<v Speaker 2>All of it just stacked up like deadwood in the shadows.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if one guy was going to light a

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<v Speaker 2>match to shed some light on the whole thing, you

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<v Speaker 2>can be damn sure there was going to be a fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Several months later, in November of that year, an FBI

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<v Speaker 2>agent visited Judge Wilson's house and informed him that Bob

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<v Speaker 2>Cooley was now a government informant, and that he had

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<v Speaker 2>secretly taped their conversation. The FBI agent also told the

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<v Speaker 2>judge that the FEDS were currently investigating allegations that he,

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<v Speaker 2>Judge Wilson, had accepted a bribe. Wilson was then subpoenaed

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<v Speaker 2>to appear before a grand jury in Chicago in early

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<v Speaker 2>December over that Thanksgiving Judge Wilson's daughter, Mary Anne Duncan,

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<v Speaker 2>remembers getting a call from her father.

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<v Speaker 6>He said, things are wanted to get really bad. He said,

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<v Speaker 6>they want me to come in and do a trial.

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<v Speaker 6>He said, if I come in and do a trial,

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<v Speaker 6>I'll probably have a stroke. And I got off the

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<v Speaker 6>phone and I had this terrible sense of foreboding. You

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<v Speaker 6>know that feeling you have one You're stomach sort sinks.

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<v Speaker 6>I just knew something really bad was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in Chicago, Marie Dyson and her colleagues at the

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<v Speaker 2>FBI were getting increasingly nervous.

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<v Speaker 3>We were constantly assessing what we had on our cases.

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<v Speaker 3>Did we have enough? Did we need to get another conversation?

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<v Speaker 4>Did we with this?

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<v Speaker 3>I think he was getting to a point with everybody thought, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>let's start wrapping it.

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<v Speaker 4>Up, folks. Let's Enough's enough.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't need to have overkilled, and we don't need

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<v Speaker 3>to get Bob killed.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob was getting ready to pack his bags. It was time,

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<v Speaker 2>but first he had to talk with his family, say

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<v Speaker 2>goodbye to his mother and his siblings who still lived

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<v Speaker 2>in town. Bob invited them all out to dinner at

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<v Speaker 2>a fish restaurant in a way for the coolies, this

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<v Speaker 2>would be the last supper. As the family members gathered,

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<v Speaker 2>Bob pulled each of his brothers aside and let them

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<v Speaker 2>in on what he'd been up to. That for the

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<v Speaker 2>last three years he'd been working with the Feds, and

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<v Speaker 2>that now he had to leave town. Bob promised his

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<v Speaker 2>brothers that at some point over dinner he'd find a

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<v Speaker 2>way to explain all of this to their mother, tell

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<v Speaker 2>her that he was leaving and why. But he never did.

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<v Speaker 2>Why didn't you like tell them the truth at that point?

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<v Speaker 5>Like, I know, I just didn't say anything, and I

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<v Speaker 5>would assume that you know, the family knowing me when

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<v Speaker 5>they did and whatever would know that you know and

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<v Speaker 5>would find out I did a fantastic thing.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, his mom and his entire family would

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<v Speaker 2>find out the truth soon enough in the papers and

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<v Speaker 2>in the courts, and then his mom would know what

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<v Speaker 2>he'd done, how he'd taken great risks and essentially giving

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<v Speaker 2>up his life in order to clean up the system.

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<v Speaker 2>Years before, when Bob's father was gravely ill, his had

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<v Speaker 2>beseeched him to straighten out his life, to do something worthwhile.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob hoped to prove that he had done just that

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<v Speaker 2>this would be his redemption story. Bob, the wayward son,

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<v Speaker 2>the one who always caused so much trouble as a kid,

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<v Speaker 2>breaking windows and cheating on tests, had finally made good

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<v Speaker 2>and people would know it, or so Bob hoped so.

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<v Speaker 2>As dinner ended that night, Bob's mother still had no

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<v Speaker 2>idea that her son was leaving town. Bob says his

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<v Speaker 2>brothers were angry at him for not telling his mother

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<v Speaker 2>and not preparing her for what was to come, and

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps they understood better than he did just how bad

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<v Speaker 2>things were about to get. Bob coolly vanished on November

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ninth, nineteen eighty nine, the Wednesday after Thanksgiving, when

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<v Speaker 2>when the big moment came, he felt strangely unprepared.

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<v Speaker 5>I had two suitcases with me. These are my belongings

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm going to be leaving, but I have no

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<v Speaker 5>idea where I'm going. I have no idea what I'm

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<v Speaker 5>going to do next.

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<v Speaker 2>Now at this point he might be thinking, what there

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<v Speaker 2>must have been a plan. This was the FBI we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. They don't just put informants on a plane

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<v Speaker 2>and wish them good luck. I mean, wasn't Bob and

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<v Speaker 2>the Witness Protection Program or something well that would be

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<v Speaker 2>the path for your typical informant, But as you know

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<v Speaker 2>by now, nothing about Bob's typical. Long before his departure,

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI insisted that he meet with a representative from

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<v Speaker 2>the Witness Protection Program. A guy actually came to Bob's

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<v Speaker 2>apartment and gave a whole spiel about what his new

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<v Speaker 2>life would be like.

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<v Speaker 5>At some point I said, look, I'm not interested in

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<v Speaker 5>your program. And he said to me, you don't have

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<v Speaker 5>any choice, and and I said to myself, this is

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<v Speaker 5>Bob Cooley you're talking to. I don't have any choice.

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<v Speaker 5>And that was the end of that.

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<v Speaker 2>This didn't really make sense to me, And to ask

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<v Speaker 2>Bob why he rejected this guy and the protection he was.

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<v Speaker 5>Offering, because then I would be classified in a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of people's minds as a rat or a snake, because

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<v Speaker 5>these are the people that go into witness protection because

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<v Speaker 5>they're in fear of their own safety, and they're doing

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<v Speaker 5>it to save their own skin.

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<v Speaker 2>You're telling me you turned down witness protection program just

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<v Speaker 2>because you didn't want it, you didn't like the branding

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<v Speaker 2>that went with it, that you'd be a rat.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, that was initially my reason, But as I thought

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<v Speaker 5>about it, there's no way I'm going to be living

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<v Speaker 5>like I'm in prison of some sorts. I'm in a

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<v Speaker 5>motel with some strangers. I know how I am. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>going to do what I damn well please, that's me.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob also says that he didn't think the program would

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<v Speaker 2>actually protect him. He worried that Pat Marcy, who apparently

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<v Speaker 2>had eyes everywhere, would pay someone off or somehow figure

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<v Speaker 2>out where they'd stashed Bob. So when it came time

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<v Speaker 2>to flee Chicago, Bob realizes, shit, he has no real plan,

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<v Speaker 2>But the Feds were a little more prepared. An hour

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<v Speaker 2>before his departure, they handed him a plane ticket to

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<v Speaker 2>Fort Myers, Florida.

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<v Speaker 5>All they said was when you land, find yourself a

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<v Speaker 5>hotel and then give us a call and tell us

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<v Speaker 5>where you are.

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<v Speaker 2>So there he was on a plane headed down to Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>winging it. He didn't even have a gun because he

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<v Speaker 2>knew we couldn't take one on the plane, and from

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<v Speaker 2>the moment he lands in Fort Myers he feels exposed.

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<v Speaker 5>I get off the plane, I look over and nurse

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<v Speaker 5>a sign Marco Island to the right.

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<v Speaker 2>Marco Island was a favorite destination for so many of

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<v Speaker 2>the mobsters that he knew back in Chicago. In Bob's mind,

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<v Speaker 2>it was pretty much Gangster Island. A few of these

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<v Speaker 2>guys even own property on the island, and now here

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<v Speaker 2>was Bob essentially on their turf. He couldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>He probably should have thought about this the moment he

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<v Speaker 2>saw the plane tickets to Fort Myers, but everything had

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<v Speaker 2>happened so quickly, and now well, here he was. So

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<v Speaker 2>Bob checks into a local motel, calls a number that

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI has given him. Sometime later, an agent shows

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<v Speaker 2>up offers to take Bob out to dinner. They go

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<v Speaker 2>to a nearby restaurant, but first the agent does something

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<v Speaker 2>that unsettles Bob.

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<v Speaker 5>He walks over, opens the trunk, takes off his gun,

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<v Speaker 5>puts his gun on the trunk. What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 5>He says, I never wear my gun when I'm drinking.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's my protection.

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<v Speaker 2>Later that night, Bob's back at his motel.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm in this room by myself with no weapon though

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<v Speaker 5>nothing you know, along with everything else. Yeah, how did

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<v Speaker 5>I sleep? I didn't sleep real well that night. I

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<v Speaker 5>probably slept maybe half an hour if that.

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<v Speaker 2>Just A day or so later, Bob was on the

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<v Speaker 2>run again, heading west to his next hiding spot. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>back in Chicago, the ship was about to hit the fan.

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<v Speaker 2>Carol Marine, the journalist, was still looking into the first ward.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm sitting in my desk at NBC in the newsroom,

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<v Speaker 7>and a source I hadn't talked to it in about

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<v Speaker 7>five years, said Carol.

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<v Speaker 4>Get a picture of Bob Cooley.

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<v Speaker 7>He is going to break the first ward.

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<v Speaker 2>Carol began to connect the dots, and as she did,

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<v Speaker 2>she got a sense of the scope of operation Gambat.

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<v Speaker 7>So this is like a not just a cascade, It's

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<v Speaker 7>an earthquake on Chicago politics. I mean, this is a

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<v Speaker 7>staggering revelation involving a lawyer. Virtually no one outside of

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<v Speaker 7>a circle of real insiders knew at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Carol scrambled to find as much as she could, and

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<v Speaker 2>she broke the story on the evening news.

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<v Speaker 1>The Cattle High Teams of.

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<v Speaker 8>Ten Tonight exclusive details of a huge federal investigation into

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<v Speaker 8>the heart of organized.

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<v Speaker 1>Crime in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 8>For years, Chicago's First Ward has been openly referred to

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<v Speaker 8>as the Mobs Ward. Tonight, Carol has the exclusive story

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<v Speaker 8>of the man who apparently infiltrated the ward's politics and

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<v Speaker 8>its bosses.

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<v Speaker 9>Ron For approximately five years, a Chicago lawyer has been

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<v Speaker 9>a government informant, secretly recording conversations with some of this

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<v Speaker 9>city's movers and shakers, some of whom have long been

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<v Speaker 9>reputed to have organized crime connections. The identity of this

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<v Speaker 9>informant will come as a shock to some powerful people.

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<v Speaker 9>The man who wore the wire and infiltrated Chicago's First

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<v Speaker 9>Ward is forty seven year old Robert J. Cooley, a

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<v Speaker 9>former policeman the son of a policeman, Cooley became a

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<v Speaker 9>politically well connected Chicago attorney five years ago began to

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<v Speaker 9>go undercover for the government, taping conversations with Chicago Alderman,

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<v Speaker 9>State senators and judges.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was it. Bob was outed the news made

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<v Speaker 2>a seismic impact. One FBI agent went to City Hall

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<v Speaker 2>and witnessed an unforgettable scene involving Johnny Diarco Junior. Johnny

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<v Speaker 2>was the poet and state senator whom Bob had bribed

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<v Speaker 2>on tape. Johnny Junior was standing in a phone booth

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<v Speaker 2>when apparently he got the news. The FBI agent would

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<v Speaker 2>later recount the scene in court, saying Johnny Junior quote

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<v Speaker 2>gasped like he was in pain, almost as if the

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<v Speaker 2>wind had been knocked out of him. He then fell

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<v Speaker 2>to the floor, holding his head in his hands, and

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<v Speaker 2>called out, oh my God, almost right away. A number

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<v Speaker 2>of newspaper articles were written about Bob. One of them began, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>most people know Robert Cooley as a fast talking lawyer,

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<v Speaker 2>an inveterate gambler who bragged of his political prowess and

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<v Speaker 2>said he could fix almost any case. It described Bob

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<v Speaker 2>as a lawyer who quote rarely opened a law book

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<v Speaker 2>and instead relied on his friends to answer the most

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<v Speaker 2>basic questions of law. It quoted a friend of Bob's

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<v Speaker 2>who said his reputation was never that of a scholar,

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<v Speaker 2>but he let it be known that he could occasionally

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<v Speaker 2>use his contacts to move mountains. The article ended by

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<v Speaker 2>noting that Bob, the self proclaimed mover of mountains, liked

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<v Speaker 2>to gamble and quote, built up debts to organize crime,

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<v Speaker 2>and feared for his life. Other journalists wrote articles in

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<v Speaker 2>a similar vein, and soon Bob's life was being condensed

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<v Speaker 2>into a few simple facts and assumptions. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>corrupt lawyer and a braggart, a man unversed in the law,

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunist who flipped to protect himself.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm a basket case when I see this, and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm envisioning my mother sitting. My mother's in a convalescent

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<v Speaker 5>home over there, a carmel aid home, and I'm envisioning

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<v Speaker 5>her watching this and with all her friends, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>all their friends are seeing all this, making me out

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<v Speaker 5>to be the rat of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>And the facts being reported weren't entirely wrong. Before he flipped,

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<v Speaker 2>Bob did owe money to some bookies, but remember he

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<v Speaker 2>was mostly off the hook for those debts, and at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, as far as I can tell, Bob was

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<v Speaker 2>in no immediate danger. In any case, Bob was absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>pummeled in the press. He had hoped, perhaps naively, that

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<v Speaker 2>he would emerge as a hero in the papers, that

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<v Speaker 2>his dirty past and other shortcomings would be eclipsed by

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<v Speaker 2>the good he'd done, that his mother would finally see

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<v Speaker 2>him as righteous. Instead, he came across in print as

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<v Speaker 2>the rat of all time. Bob wasn't the only one

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<v Speaker 2>navigating this mess. His brother, Joe Cooley, was a police

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<v Speaker 2>officer at the time. He told me he had a

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<v Speaker 2>falling out with some of his fellow officers when they

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<v Speaker 2>called Bob a snitch. Joe says he didn't care. He

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<v Speaker 2>was proud of what his brother did. Bob's other brother, Dennis,

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<v Speaker 2>the former prosecutor, says he also got an ear full.

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<v Speaker 10>For one thing. Now, I went from mister straight, narrow,

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<v Speaker 10>mister nice guy, to mister your brother's a fucking snitch.

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<v Speaker 2>Dennis says his bigger concern was now that Bob had vanished,

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<v Speaker 2>that the mob might ex act retribution on him and

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<v Speaker 2>his family.

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<v Speaker 10>I was afraid for my safety, and I was afraid

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<v Speaker 10>for my wife's safety, and I was afraid for other

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<v Speaker 10>relatives out there. You know, you didn't know, You didn't

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<v Speaker 10>know how they were going to react. You didn't know

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<v Speaker 10>if someone was going to come looking for you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 10>I was concerned. Sure, I have been a full na

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<v Speaker 10>to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob says that before he ever left Chicago, he told

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI how important it was to him that no

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<v Speaker 2>harm come to his family. Apparently, the FED seemed confident

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<v Speaker 2>that the Coolies would be okay, as one prosecutor told

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<v Speaker 2>me rather surprisingly, they'd never seen a situation in Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>where the mob had taken retribution against family members. But

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<v Speaker 2>the FEDS could make no such promises for Bob. After all,

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<v Speaker 2>Bob would be the prosecution's star witness and the trials

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<v Speaker 2>against the mob, which meant for the foreseeable future, Bob

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<v Speaker 2>he had a big, fat target on his back and

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<v Speaker 2>would be on the run for quite some time. Before

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<v Speaker 2>we get back to the story, I want to mention

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<v Speaker 2>in this last segment we talk about a suicide. Just

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<v Speaker 2>a heads up, Bob's role in Operation Gambat was far

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<v Speaker 2>from over. After all, courts moved slowly. It would take

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<v Speaker 2>years to prosecute Pat Marcy and other first Word targets,

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<v Speaker 2>but the process was underway. Prosecutors began issuing subpoenas. They

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<v Speaker 2>would end up charging at least two dozen men, politicians, lawyers, judges,

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<v Speaker 2>and cops. In fact, just a week after Bob vanished,

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<v Speaker 2>on December sixth, nineteen eighty nine, the wheels of justice

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<v Speaker 2>were already turning. A grand jury was convened in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 2>It was looking into, among other things, whether Judge Frank

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson had been bribed in that infamous murder case. He

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<v Speaker 2>had been subpoened on that day. However, Wilson failed to

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<v Speaker 2>show up in court. If you recall, the judge's daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>mary Anne, had been worried about her father when he

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<v Speaker 2>had called her a few months back told her that

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<v Speaker 2>things are going to get really bad. Then in February,

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<v Speaker 2>Marianne got a call from her mother telling her, your

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<v Speaker 2>father has died.

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<v Speaker 6>And so I said how, I said, he was okay.

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<v Speaker 6>He had some problems with his carate artery, but I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>he's all right, And she said yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, as in yeah, well these things happened. He was

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<v Speaker 2>seventy four years old and hardly in perfect health, so

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't totally surprising that he passed away, at least

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<v Speaker 2>not initially. But when she got out to Arizona, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a different story. When Marianne arrived at her parents' house,

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<v Speaker 2>she got to talking with a neighbor and he filled

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<v Speaker 2>her in on what really happened.

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<v Speaker 6>He said, well, your father took his own life. And

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<v Speaker 6>I said, oh, no he didn't, and he said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>he did. He goes I was out now I saw

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<v Speaker 6>him afterwards.

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<v Speaker 2>Days before, the neighborhood heard a gunshot near Judge Wilson's house.

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<v Speaker 2>He came over and found him. He had shot himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Mary Anne says her mother was in denial about what

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<v Speaker 2>had happened. That she kept on insisting that her father

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<v Speaker 2>didn't mean to do it, that it was an accident.

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<v Speaker 5>And then.

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<v Speaker 6>The second night I was out there at two o'clock

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<v Speaker 6>in the morning, I see her and she's in the

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<v Speaker 6>garage where he had done it, and she is on

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<v Speaker 6>the floor trying to clean up the blood with a toothbrush,

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<v Speaker 6>and I said what do you do and she said, well,

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<v Speaker 6>I just want to clean it up so no one

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<v Speaker 6>sees it.

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<v Speaker 2>Judge Wilson left two notes, one for Marianne and one

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<v Speaker 2>for her mother. She told me that the two notes

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't have been more different.

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<v Speaker 6>My note was helping me do all these things, to

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<v Speaker 6>take care of all these matters. Hers was basically, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>really sorry. I just kind of like, I can't take

0:28:37.396 --> 0:28:43.516
<v Speaker 6>it anymore. I don't want you to lose a pension. Basically,

0:28:43.556 --> 0:28:45.876
<v Speaker 6>that was kind of it. I think he said I

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<v Speaker 6>love you or something, which she said to me too,

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<v Speaker 6>which she didn't say often.

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<v Speaker 2>Marianne did the things that she had to do to

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<v Speaker 2>care for her mother and to tell the members of

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<v Speaker 2>her extended family.

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<v Speaker 6>He was always like the rock of the family. If

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<v Speaker 6>anyone had a problem, they would go to him. So

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<v Speaker 6>it's like, you don't expect someone like that and to

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<v Speaker 6>commit suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>After her father's death, mary Anne was in an incredibly

0:29:20.556 --> 0:29:25.036
<v Speaker 2>difficult situation for so many reasons. She was devastated and

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<v Speaker 2>grieving and depressed. There were all the things that she

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<v Speaker 2>had to do for her family, and on top of that,

0:29:30.636 --> 0:29:34.596
<v Speaker 2>eventually the judge's death made the news, along with allegations

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<v Speaker 2>of corruption, which made it all the harder.

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<v Speaker 6>I just wish he had not done that and he

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<v Speaker 6>had fought, you know, because that's like another thing when

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<v Speaker 6>someone does that, that makes him look really guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>And in a way she was left to answer for him,

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<v Speaker 2>which was an impossible task.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like if there's two sides of the story,

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<v Speaker 6>people can make up their mind. I mean, I just

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<v Speaker 6>feel like he never got his side of the story

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<v Speaker 6>to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Mary Anne strongly believes that her father is innocent, that

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<v Speaker 2>he never took the bribe, and I should reiterate aside

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<v Speaker 2>from the allegations in this one case, he appears to

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<v Speaker 2>have been an honest judge. Mary Anne sent me a

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<v Speaker 2>newspaper article from the nineteen sixties. The article praised her

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<v Speaker 2>father's integrity. It even began with the words Frank J.

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson is a man to be admired. It's hard telling

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<v Speaker 2>a story like this because the judge can't defend himself,

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<v Speaker 2>can't push back against Bob's narrative, can't offer a new

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<v Speaker 2>evidence or extenuating circumstances. There's just a notorious trial, a death,

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<v Speaker 2>two suicide notes, and a daughter who's doing her very

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<v Speaker 2>best to make sense of it all.

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<v Speaker 6>My dad's dad and pas. I don't know where he is,

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<v Speaker 6>but it just doesn't seem fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob doesn't remember exactly when he heard the news about

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<v Speaker 2>Judge Wilson's death, but it was probably a few days

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<v Speaker 2>after the fact.

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<v Speaker 5>And I got a call. I don't remember who called me.

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<v Speaker 5>Somebody called me. I mean, I broke down I broke down.

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<v Speaker 5>I just I cried for hours because I felt maybe

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<v Speaker 5>it's because of me. I felt that way. Maybe it is,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm hoping and praying to myself it's because of

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<v Speaker 5>his own other problems. But no, that was a that

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<v Speaker 5>was a real rough rough go for me. That was

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<v Speaker 5>a rough go. Cam It's springing back, springing back, springing

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<v Speaker 5>back some bad memories.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob says, after hearing about the judges suicide, he got

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<v Speaker 2>in his car and just started driving. He was staying

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<v Speaker 2>in Colorado at the time, and he headed into the mountains.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if I was going to drive off

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<v Speaker 5>the cliff for what I was probably doing about Who

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<v Speaker 5>knows how fast. I was going as fast as I could. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and I got pulled over by This is silly I got.

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<v Speaker 5>I got pulled over by a trooper and he was

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<v Speaker 5>really angry. When he came up to the carpet. He

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<v Speaker 5>probably saw me looking like I look right now and

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<v Speaker 5>as you told him about to your friend of mine

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<v Speaker 5>just committed suicide. I have no idea why he obviously

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<v Speaker 5>believed me, because he tried to see he tried to

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<v Speaker 5>consult me, and he just sat there with me, probably

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<v Speaker 5>for maybe half an hour and convincing me to go

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<v Speaker 5>back home.

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<v Speaker 2>When he was done telling me this story, we took

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<v Speaker 2>a break. I had never seen Bob so broken up.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like he just bottled all of this up.

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<v Speaker 2>After he had a moment, we started back up again.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever talked to anyone about this about like?

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<v Speaker 5>No, I would to me, it's something I have to

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<v Speaker 5>handle myself. And it took a while to you know,

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<v Speaker 5>to get over it. But you know, but then it's like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, like I would tell people, that's the last

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<v Speaker 5>week's news. You know, that's the mindset you have to have.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, things I have to live with.

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<v Speaker 2>And I kind of got it. There was no looking

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<v Speaker 2>back for Bob, no dwelling on what had happened, the

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<v Speaker 2>death of his friend, all the bad press that he'd gotten,

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<v Speaker 2>the life he'd once had in Chicago, the very man

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<v Speaker 2>that he'd once been. All of it was last week's news.

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<v Speaker 2>What mattered now was finishing what he'd begun. What mattered

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<v Speaker 2>was staying alive to testify in the trials against Pat

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<v Speaker 2>Marcy and the other targets. What mattered was fixing his

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<v Speaker 2>original sin and ensuring that Harry Alamann was retried. There

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<v Speaker 2>was still a chance that some good might come from this,

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<v Speaker 2>something to justify all that had been lost For Bob,

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<v Speaker 2>that's all that mattered. Now. Next time on deep Cover,

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<v Speaker 2>our final episode.

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<v Speaker 9>They have nothing but this memory of how they last

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<v Speaker 9>seen their family member, laying on a street full of

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<v Speaker 9>bullet holes, moaning.

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<v Speaker 11>I thought that it's very wrong for judges to get

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<v Speaker 11>paid off so that hitman can continue to murder people.

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<v Speaker 11>Nobody wants to testify because their mothers scream at them

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<v Speaker 11>that you're going to get murdered.

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<v Speaker 5>And they said, you can't go back home, and I supplied.

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<v Speaker 5>They said, supposedly somebody was on the way out there

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<v Speaker 5>to kill me.

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<v Speaker 7>They're surrounded by agents, they're in bulletproof vests, they've got

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<v Speaker 7>automatic weapons everywhere. Yes, you are the center of the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Deep Cover is produced by Jacob Smith and Amy Gaines

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<v Speaker 2>and edited by Karen Chakerji. Our senior editor is Jenuera.

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<v Speaker 2>Original music in our theme was composed by Luis Garra

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<v Speaker 2>and Vaughan Williams as our engineer. Our art this season

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<v Speaker 2>was drawn by Cheryl Cook and designed by Sean Karney.

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<v Speaker 2>Nea Lobell as our executive producer. Special thanks to Heather Fame,

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<v Speaker 2>John Schnarz, Carl mcgliori, Maya Kning, Christina Sullivan, Eric Sandler,

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<v Speaker 2>Mary Beth Smith, Brant Haynes, Maggie Taylor, Nicolmarano, Magan Larson,

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<v Speaker 2>Royston Bserve, Lucy Sullivan, Edith Russlow, Riley Sullivant, Jason Gambrell,

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<v Speaker 2>Martin Gonzalez, and Jacob Weisberg. I'm Jake Halpern. Suicide is

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<v Speaker 2>a difficult topic. It can be hard for people to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about suicide or get help if they're in danger,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are resources available. The National Suicide Prevention Hotline

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<v Speaker 2>is an excellent resource. It's free, confidential, and available twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four hours a day. The number in the US is

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<v Speaker 2>one eight hundred two seven three eight two five five.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one eight hundred two seven three talk