1 00:00:15,356 --> 00:00:26,596 Speaker 1: Pushkin previously on deep Cover. 2 00:00:27,716 --> 00:00:31,476 Speaker 2: Bob Cooley's mission had a name. The FBI called it 3 00:00:31,596 --> 00:00:37,476 Speaker 2: Operation Gambat, short for Gambling Attorney. Bob's objective was to 4 00:00:37,516 --> 00:00:41,276 Speaker 2: take down Pat Marcy and his corrupt political machine in 5 00:00:41,316 --> 00:00:45,716 Speaker 2: the first ward, and Bob was making great progress. He 6 00:00:45,756 --> 00:00:49,116 Speaker 2: had gotten Pat Marcy on tape. But would that be enough? 7 00:00:50,236 --> 00:00:53,476 Speaker 3: Every day that you continue to do this, it's a 8 00:00:53,516 --> 00:00:54,396 Speaker 3: scarier day. 9 00:00:55,556 --> 00:00:57,316 Speaker 4: When should you stop. 10 00:00:57,716 --> 00:01:01,876 Speaker 2: To make matters more complicated? An investigative TV journalist had 11 00:01:01,916 --> 00:01:05,636 Speaker 2: begun to expose what the FBI was up to. Pat 12 00:01:05,676 --> 00:01:09,236 Speaker 2: Marcy and his guys now knew without a doubt the 13 00:01:09,316 --> 00:01:13,516 Speaker 2: FBI was coming for them, which made Bob's work even 14 00:01:13,596 --> 00:01:14,756 Speaker 2: more dangerous. 15 00:01:15,236 --> 00:01:18,436 Speaker 3: Now you're scared, and he's scared, and everybody's scared. 16 00:01:18,556 --> 00:01:19,996 Speaker 4: Anything could happen. 17 00:01:20,556 --> 00:01:22,316 Speaker 3: We were going to do everything in our power not 18 00:01:22,396 --> 00:01:25,556 Speaker 3: to make a mistake, because this guy could get killed 19 00:01:26,396 --> 00:01:26,876 Speaker 3: just like that. 20 00:01:31,476 --> 00:01:34,556 Speaker 2: You might recall it was Pat Marcy who asked Bob 21 00:01:34,596 --> 00:01:37,196 Speaker 2: to help fix an infamous murder case back in the 22 00:01:37,276 --> 00:01:41,636 Speaker 2: nineteen seventies. Bob had agreed to do Marcy's bidding, and 23 00:01:41,716 --> 00:01:46,076 Speaker 2: he convinced an otherwise clean judge named Frank Wilson to 24 00:01:46,116 --> 00:01:51,196 Speaker 2: take a bribe. As a result, a reputed hitman, Harry Elaman, 25 00:01:51,716 --> 00:01:56,276 Speaker 2: walked free. Afterwards, the judge took a beating in the press. 26 00:01:56,916 --> 00:01:59,996 Speaker 2: Rumors spread that he'd been bribed, and according to Bob, 27 00:02:00,356 --> 00:02:06,076 Speaker 2: the judge told him angrily, you destroyed me. All of 28 00:02:06,156 --> 00:02:10,236 Speaker 2: this old history was now suddenly relevant again. If the 29 00:02:10,276 --> 00:02:13,796 Speaker 2: FEDS could prove that this case had in fact been fixed, 30 00:02:14,156 --> 00:02:17,996 Speaker 2: and that Pat Marcy had orchestrated it, it'd be damning, 31 00:02:18,876 --> 00:02:21,836 Speaker 2: and Bob hoped this might lead to a retrial of 32 00:02:21,876 --> 00:02:25,396 Speaker 2: Harry Alamann for the murder of William Logan, which would 33 00:02:25,436 --> 00:02:28,076 Speaker 2: be a big deal. It would give Bob a chance 34 00:02:28,196 --> 00:02:32,076 Speaker 2: to write an old wrong. If fixing the Harry Alamann 35 00:02:32,116 --> 00:02:35,996 Speaker 2: case was Bob's original sin, well here was a chance 36 00:02:36,036 --> 00:02:42,316 Speaker 2: to make up for it. But how would the FEDS 37 00:02:42,436 --> 00:02:45,396 Speaker 2: prove that this bribe had taken place? Sure, they had 38 00:02:45,436 --> 00:02:49,396 Speaker 2: Bob's account, but in theory, what would really help was 39 00:02:49,476 --> 00:02:53,996 Speaker 2: corroboration from the judge himself, Frank Wilson. He was now 40 00:02:54,036 --> 00:02:58,876 Speaker 2: retired and living out in Arizona. According to Bob's handlers 41 00:02:58,916 --> 00:03:02,596 Speaker 2: at the FBI, Steve and Marie, they wanted Bob to 42 00:03:02,636 --> 00:03:06,436 Speaker 2: wear a wire and get the judge on tape. They 43 00:03:06,476 --> 00:03:09,556 Speaker 2: say Bob was very reluctant. 44 00:03:09,356 --> 00:03:12,316 Speaker 3: Because he cared about Frank. He really did care about 45 00:03:12,316 --> 00:03:16,636 Speaker 3: Frank Wilson. They were old, but because Frank was, in 46 00:03:16,756 --> 00:03:21,236 Speaker 3: Bob's words, a good guy. He had been lured into 47 00:03:21,836 --> 00:03:27,036 Speaker 3: the mafia's hornets nest by fixing a case of a mobster. 48 00:03:27,716 --> 00:03:28,996 Speaker 4: So Bob was trying. 49 00:03:28,756 --> 00:03:32,516 Speaker 3: To clean that up, I think a bit with Judge Wilson, 50 00:03:32,676 --> 00:03:38,196 Speaker 3: but also get him to acknowledge that he had participated 51 00:03:38,316 --> 00:03:38,916 Speaker 3: in a fix. 52 00:03:39,556 --> 00:03:42,716 Speaker 4: It killed him to have to do Frank Wilson. He 53 00:03:42,796 --> 00:03:45,196 Speaker 4: did not want to do Frank Wilson. He really liked 54 00:03:45,196 --> 00:03:45,916 Speaker 4: Frank Wilson. 55 00:03:48,756 --> 00:03:51,516 Speaker 2: Bob was in a real pickle. He wanted to help 56 00:03:51,556 --> 00:03:54,276 Speaker 2: the Feds build their case, and in a way it 57 00:03:54,356 --> 00:03:57,716 Speaker 2: was his case too, because Bob was deeply invested in 58 00:03:57,756 --> 00:04:02,236 Speaker 2: making Operation Gambat a success. Yeah, Bob says he also 59 00:04:02,316 --> 00:04:04,556 Speaker 2: wanted to give the judge a heads up about what 60 00:04:04,716 --> 00:04:09,076 Speaker 2: was coming, that their backroom deal might soon be exposed. Bob, 61 00:04:09,116 --> 00:04:11,596 Speaker 2: I believe there were things the judge could do to 62 00:04:11,636 --> 00:04:16,236 Speaker 2: protect himself. As far as I could tell, Bob seems 63 00:04:16,236 --> 00:04:20,036 Speaker 2: to have convinced himself with some magical thinking that he 64 00:04:20,076 --> 00:04:23,716 Speaker 2: could both expose his friend and protect him at the 65 00:04:23,756 --> 00:04:24,316 Speaker 2: same time. 66 00:04:25,556 --> 00:04:28,076 Speaker 5: There's no way I'm going to be the one cause 67 00:04:28,156 --> 00:04:31,076 Speaker 5: of my friend the problem. I'm trying to help him. 68 00:04:31,636 --> 00:04:33,796 Speaker 5: I'm trying to keep him from getting into trouble. 69 00:04:34,996 --> 00:04:39,036 Speaker 2: But Bob wasn't being fully transparent because Bob would be 70 00:04:39,036 --> 00:04:44,356 Speaker 2: wearing a wire secretly recording their conversation, and as it 71 00:04:44,396 --> 00:04:47,716 Speaker 2: turns out, this visit would set off a chain of 72 00:04:47,756 --> 00:04:53,476 Speaker 2: events that would have profound consequences for both men. At 73 00:04:53,476 --> 00:04:56,996 Speaker 2: this point, Operation Gambat would be coming to a close soon. Anyway, 74 00:04:57,276 --> 00:04:59,636 Speaker 2: Bob knew it, and so did his handlers at the 75 00:04:59,716 --> 00:05:03,916 Speaker 2: FBI and so on. Top of everything else, Bob also 76 00:05:04,036 --> 00:05:07,476 Speaker 2: had to start planning his exit because the man known 77 00:05:07,516 --> 00:05:37,276 Speaker 2: as Bob Cooley would not exist for much longer. I'm 78 00:05:37,356 --> 00:05:42,996 Speaker 2: Jake Halburn and this is Deep Cover Mobland, Episode nine. 79 00:05:43,836 --> 00:06:07,556 Speaker 2: The Vanishing Bob didn't go out to Arizona alone. He 80 00:06:07,596 --> 00:06:11,796 Speaker 2: invited his old secretariat lover, Katherine Fleming. He hoped her 81 00:06:11,836 --> 00:06:15,396 Speaker 2: presence might lighten the mood. So Bob settles in at 82 00:06:15,396 --> 00:06:18,676 Speaker 2: a resort and arranges to have dinner with the Wilsons. 83 00:06:19,076 --> 00:06:22,756 Speaker 2: Before dinner, Bob wires up. Then he and Catherine go 84 00:06:22,876 --> 00:06:25,876 Speaker 2: down to the restaurant to find the judge and his wife. 85 00:06:26,196 --> 00:06:29,396 Speaker 5: We met, Hi, Frank, how are you? You know what's 86 00:06:29,436 --> 00:06:32,356 Speaker 5: going on? And you know, hey, how you been just 87 00:06:32,556 --> 00:06:37,076 Speaker 5: small talking? And we walked into the restaurant. We get 88 00:06:37,076 --> 00:06:37,636 Speaker 5: our table. 89 00:06:38,236 --> 00:06:42,076 Speaker 2: They have an uneventful dinner together. Afterwards, they take a 90 00:06:42,076 --> 00:06:44,996 Speaker 2: little stroll out to the parking lot, and we know 91 00:06:45,196 --> 00:06:48,836 Speaker 2: exactly what's said next because we actually got a hold 92 00:06:48,876 --> 00:06:53,596 Speaker 2: of the transcript from Bob's secret recording. The conversation among 93 00:06:53,636 --> 00:06:57,316 Speaker 2: the couples seems friendly. They chat about the weather, what 94 00:06:57,436 --> 00:07:00,676 Speaker 2: type of suntown lotion is best, and if Bob should 95 00:07:00,716 --> 00:07:05,396 Speaker 2: visit the Grand Canyon. The judge tells Catherine politely, good 96 00:07:05,396 --> 00:07:09,596 Speaker 2: seeing you again. Then Bob manages to pull the judge 97 00:07:09,596 --> 00:07:14,476 Speaker 2: aside for a private conversation, and ever so casually, he 98 00:07:14,556 --> 00:07:18,196 Speaker 2: brings up the Harry Alamann trial. He insinuates that the 99 00:07:18,236 --> 00:07:23,396 Speaker 2: authorities are looking into it, re examining it. Bob says, quote, 100 00:07:24,036 --> 00:07:27,196 Speaker 2: there's probably about half a dozen people that know the 101 00:07:27,236 --> 00:07:30,516 Speaker 2: whole story on that, and the trouble is a couple 102 00:07:30,556 --> 00:07:36,236 Speaker 2: of them are going to cooperate. Bob is bullshitting here, 103 00:07:36,516 --> 00:07:38,956 Speaker 2: making up a story about some other guys who are 104 00:07:38,996 --> 00:07:43,116 Speaker 2: supposedly cooperating. In other words, he's not telling the judge 105 00:07:43,436 --> 00:07:46,356 Speaker 2: I myself went to the FEDS. I'm the source of 106 00:07:46,396 --> 00:07:50,116 Speaker 2: all this. Bob goes on to say, quote, if I 107 00:07:50,156 --> 00:07:53,036 Speaker 2: ever get called in to testify, I'm going to testify. 108 00:07:53,356 --> 00:07:55,156 Speaker 2: The only way I can get in trouble is by 109 00:07:55,196 --> 00:08:00,236 Speaker 2: perjuring myself. He then adds, don't worry about me, but 110 00:08:00,556 --> 00:08:03,716 Speaker 2: don't put yourself in a bad spot by perjuring or something. 111 00:08:03,956 --> 00:08:07,596 Speaker 2: It's not worth it, and this is his warning to 112 00:08:07,636 --> 00:08:11,356 Speaker 2: the judge. Bob also reminds him that the statute of 113 00:08:11,396 --> 00:08:16,036 Speaker 2: limitations is expired on any bribery charges, meaning the judge 114 00:08:16,076 --> 00:08:21,756 Speaker 2: would in theory be safe to tell the truth. Bob 115 00:08:21,796 --> 00:08:25,156 Speaker 2: then asks the judge, quote, what are you going to do? 116 00:08:26,236 --> 00:08:31,476 Speaker 2: The judge replies, don't worry about me. As Bob rambles on, 117 00:08:31,796 --> 00:08:35,196 Speaker 2: the judge keeps saying I don't know anything about anything. 118 00:08:35,956 --> 00:08:39,756 Speaker 2: He says this four times. It's almost like he knows 119 00:08:39,796 --> 00:08:43,756 Speaker 2: he's being recorded. At one point, Bob tells him bluntly, 120 00:08:44,596 --> 00:08:46,716 Speaker 2: I don't want you to get mad at me, but 121 00:08:47,036 --> 00:08:50,396 Speaker 2: you know, if it comes right down to it. I'm 122 00:08:50,396 --> 00:08:53,676 Speaker 2: not going to take the fall. Finally, Bob and the 123 00:08:53,756 --> 00:08:56,876 Speaker 2: judge walk back to where the ladies are standing. The 124 00:08:56,956 --> 00:08:59,916 Speaker 2: judge's wife says, well, thank you very much. It was 125 00:09:00,036 --> 00:09:04,796 Speaker 2: just a delight. Bob banters a bit more. He even says, 126 00:09:05,276 --> 00:09:08,396 Speaker 2: if I come back, we'll do dinner together. We'll try 127 00:09:08,396 --> 00:09:19,996 Speaker 2: the same place next time. As far as the FBI 128 00:09:20,196 --> 00:09:23,756 Speaker 2: was concerned, this was hardly a home run. The judge 129 00:09:23,756 --> 00:09:27,316 Speaker 2: did not admit taking a bribe. For his part, Bob 130 00:09:27,396 --> 00:09:29,516 Speaker 2: felt that he had warned his old friend about what 131 00:09:29,636 --> 00:09:34,116 Speaker 2: was coming. Though I suppose this was like warning your 132 00:09:34,236 --> 00:09:39,876 Speaker 2: friend that you just set fire to his house. But 133 00:09:40,676 --> 00:09:44,876 Speaker 2: maybe the fire was inevitable. For years, Chicago had been 134 00:09:44,916 --> 00:09:48,796 Speaker 2: a dark hole of corruption. So many cases had been fixed, 135 00:09:49,276 --> 00:09:52,716 Speaker 2: so many people were complicit, so many lies had been told. 136 00:09:52,996 --> 00:09:55,836 Speaker 2: All of it just stacked up like deadwood in the shadows. 137 00:09:56,316 --> 00:09:58,516 Speaker 2: And so if one guy was going to light a 138 00:09:58,556 --> 00:10:01,516 Speaker 2: match to shed some light on the whole thing, you 139 00:10:01,556 --> 00:10:04,036 Speaker 2: can be damn sure there was going to be a fire. 140 00:10:12,036 --> 00:10:15,796 Speaker 2: Several months later, in November of that year, an FBI 141 00:10:15,916 --> 00:10:19,756 Speaker 2: agent visited Judge Wilson's house and informed him that Bob 142 00:10:19,836 --> 00:10:22,756 Speaker 2: Cooley was now a government informant, and that he had 143 00:10:22,756 --> 00:10:26,796 Speaker 2: secretly taped their conversation. The FBI agent also told the 144 00:10:26,876 --> 00:10:30,716 Speaker 2: judge that the FEDS were currently investigating allegations that he, 145 00:10:31,076 --> 00:10:35,436 Speaker 2: Judge Wilson, had accepted a bribe. Wilson was then subpoenaed 146 00:10:35,436 --> 00:10:39,076 Speaker 2: to appear before a grand jury in Chicago in early 147 00:10:39,156 --> 00:10:44,356 Speaker 2: December over that Thanksgiving Judge Wilson's daughter, Mary Anne Duncan, 148 00:10:44,556 --> 00:10:46,596 Speaker 2: remembers getting a call from her father. 149 00:10:47,036 --> 00:10:50,476 Speaker 6: He said, things are wanted to get really bad. He said, 150 00:10:51,356 --> 00:10:53,316 Speaker 6: they want me to come in and do a trial. 151 00:10:54,476 --> 00:10:56,436 Speaker 6: He said, if I come in and do a trial, 152 00:10:56,516 --> 00:11:00,516 Speaker 6: I'll probably have a stroke. And I got off the 153 00:11:00,516 --> 00:11:06,076 Speaker 6: phone and I had this terrible sense of foreboding. You 154 00:11:06,156 --> 00:11:10,316 Speaker 6: know that feeling you have one You're stomach sort sinks. 155 00:11:11,076 --> 00:11:15,396 Speaker 6: I just knew something really bad was going to happen. 156 00:11:18,836 --> 00:11:22,036 Speaker 2: Back in Chicago, Marie Dyson and her colleagues at the 157 00:11:22,076 --> 00:11:24,636 Speaker 2: FBI were getting increasingly nervous. 158 00:11:24,996 --> 00:11:28,796 Speaker 3: We were constantly assessing what we had on our cases. 159 00:11:28,836 --> 00:11:31,756 Speaker 3: Did we have enough? Did we need to get another conversation? 160 00:11:31,916 --> 00:11:32,876 Speaker 4: Did we with this? 161 00:11:33,796 --> 00:11:38,476 Speaker 3: I think he was getting to a point with everybody thought, Okay, 162 00:11:39,036 --> 00:11:40,076 Speaker 3: let's start wrapping it. 163 00:11:40,156 --> 00:11:42,076 Speaker 4: Up, folks. Let's Enough's enough. 164 00:11:42,956 --> 00:11:45,956 Speaker 3: We don't need to have overkilled, and we don't need 165 00:11:45,996 --> 00:11:46,956 Speaker 3: to get Bob killed. 166 00:11:48,316 --> 00:11:51,516 Speaker 2: Bob was getting ready to pack his bags. It was time, 167 00:11:52,156 --> 00:11:55,036 Speaker 2: but first he had to talk with his family, say 168 00:11:55,036 --> 00:11:57,916 Speaker 2: goodbye to his mother and his siblings who still lived 169 00:11:57,956 --> 00:12:00,956 Speaker 2: in town. Bob invited them all out to dinner at 170 00:12:00,996 --> 00:12:04,796 Speaker 2: a fish restaurant in a way for the coolies, this 171 00:12:05,076 --> 00:12:09,036 Speaker 2: would be the last supper. As the family members gathered, 172 00:12:09,436 --> 00:12:12,316 Speaker 2: Bob pulled each of his brothers aside and let them 173 00:12:12,356 --> 00:12:14,636 Speaker 2: in on what he'd been up to. That for the 174 00:12:14,716 --> 00:12:17,916 Speaker 2: last three years he'd been working with the Feds, and 175 00:12:17,996 --> 00:12:21,596 Speaker 2: that now he had to leave town. Bob promised his 176 00:12:21,636 --> 00:12:24,076 Speaker 2: brothers that at some point over dinner he'd find a 177 00:12:24,116 --> 00:12:26,876 Speaker 2: way to explain all of this to their mother, tell 178 00:12:26,916 --> 00:12:30,956 Speaker 2: her that he was leaving and why. But he never did. 179 00:12:31,636 --> 00:12:34,316 Speaker 2: Why didn't you like tell them the truth at that point? 180 00:12:34,356 --> 00:12:38,516 Speaker 5: Like, I know, I just didn't say anything, and I 181 00:12:38,516 --> 00:12:41,236 Speaker 5: would assume that you know, the family knowing me when 182 00:12:41,276 --> 00:12:44,676 Speaker 5: they did and whatever would know that you know and 183 00:12:44,716 --> 00:12:46,916 Speaker 5: would find out I did a fantastic thing. 184 00:12:49,316 --> 00:12:52,396 Speaker 2: In other words, his mom and his entire family would 185 00:12:52,396 --> 00:12:55,276 Speaker 2: find out the truth soon enough in the papers and 186 00:12:55,316 --> 00:12:58,356 Speaker 2: in the courts, and then his mom would know what 187 00:12:58,396 --> 00:13:01,836 Speaker 2: he'd done, how he'd taken great risks and essentially giving 188 00:13:01,956 --> 00:13:04,276 Speaker 2: up his life in order to clean up the system. 189 00:13:05,636 --> 00:13:09,516 Speaker 2: Years before, when Bob's father was gravely ill, his had 190 00:13:09,516 --> 00:13:12,756 Speaker 2: beseeched him to straighten out his life, to do something worthwhile. 191 00:13:13,636 --> 00:13:16,556 Speaker 2: Bob hoped to prove that he had done just that 192 00:13:16,636 --> 00:13:20,636 Speaker 2: this would be his redemption story. Bob, the wayward son, 193 00:13:20,916 --> 00:13:23,356 Speaker 2: the one who always caused so much trouble as a kid, 194 00:13:23,756 --> 00:13:27,916 Speaker 2: breaking windows and cheating on tests, had finally made good 195 00:13:28,276 --> 00:13:33,276 Speaker 2: and people would know it, or so Bob hoped so. 196 00:13:33,596 --> 00:13:36,756 Speaker 2: As dinner ended that night, Bob's mother still had no 197 00:13:36,876 --> 00:13:40,516 Speaker 2: idea that her son was leaving town. Bob says his 198 00:13:40,556 --> 00:13:43,316 Speaker 2: brothers were angry at him for not telling his mother 199 00:13:43,676 --> 00:13:46,596 Speaker 2: and not preparing her for what was to come, and 200 00:13:46,716 --> 00:13:50,636 Speaker 2: perhaps they understood better than he did just how bad 201 00:13:50,716 --> 00:14:04,676 Speaker 2: things were about to get. Bob coolly vanished on November 202 00:14:04,716 --> 00:14:09,036 Speaker 2: twenty ninth, nineteen eighty nine, the Wednesday after Thanksgiving, when 203 00:14:09,116 --> 00:14:13,036 Speaker 2: when the big moment came, he felt strangely unprepared. 204 00:14:13,516 --> 00:14:16,956 Speaker 5: I had two suitcases with me. These are my belongings 205 00:14:18,356 --> 00:14:20,476 Speaker 5: and I'm going to be leaving, but I have no 206 00:14:20,596 --> 00:14:24,476 Speaker 5: idea where I'm going. I have no idea what I'm 207 00:14:24,516 --> 00:14:25,316 Speaker 5: going to do next. 208 00:14:25,836 --> 00:14:29,396 Speaker 2: Now at this point he might be thinking, what there 209 00:14:29,436 --> 00:14:31,916 Speaker 2: must have been a plan. This was the FBI we're 210 00:14:31,956 --> 00:14:34,716 Speaker 2: talking about. They don't just put informants on a plane 211 00:14:34,756 --> 00:14:37,076 Speaker 2: and wish them good luck. I mean, wasn't Bob and 212 00:14:37,116 --> 00:14:41,036 Speaker 2: the Witness Protection Program or something well that would be 213 00:14:41,116 --> 00:14:44,436 Speaker 2: the path for your typical informant, But as you know 214 00:14:44,516 --> 00:14:49,036 Speaker 2: by now, nothing about Bob's typical. Long before his departure, 215 00:14:49,156 --> 00:14:52,116 Speaker 2: the FBI insisted that he meet with a representative from 216 00:14:52,156 --> 00:14:55,556 Speaker 2: the Witness Protection Program. A guy actually came to Bob's 217 00:14:55,556 --> 00:14:58,316 Speaker 2: apartment and gave a whole spiel about what his new 218 00:14:58,356 --> 00:14:59,156 Speaker 2: life would be like. 219 00:14:59,676 --> 00:15:02,756 Speaker 5: At some point I said, look, I'm not interested in 220 00:15:02,796 --> 00:15:05,756 Speaker 5: your program. And he said to me, you don't have 221 00:15:05,796 --> 00:15:11,116 Speaker 5: any choice, and and I said to myself, this is 222 00:15:11,156 --> 00:15:14,036 Speaker 5: Bob Cooley you're talking to. I don't have any choice. 223 00:15:14,756 --> 00:15:16,276 Speaker 5: And that was the end of that. 224 00:15:17,196 --> 00:15:20,476 Speaker 2: This didn't really make sense to me, And to ask 225 00:15:20,596 --> 00:15:23,756 Speaker 2: Bob why he rejected this guy and the protection he was. 226 00:15:23,716 --> 00:15:28,156 Speaker 5: Offering, because then I would be classified in a lot 227 00:15:28,156 --> 00:15:32,356 Speaker 5: of people's minds as a rat or a snake, because 228 00:15:32,396 --> 00:15:35,516 Speaker 5: these are the people that go into witness protection because 229 00:15:36,116 --> 00:15:38,716 Speaker 5: they're in fear of their own safety, and they're doing 230 00:15:38,716 --> 00:15:39,956 Speaker 5: it to save their own skin. 231 00:15:40,196 --> 00:15:42,596 Speaker 2: You're telling me you turned down witness protection program just 232 00:15:42,596 --> 00:15:44,676 Speaker 2: because you didn't want it, you didn't like the branding 233 00:15:44,716 --> 00:15:46,236 Speaker 2: that went with it, that you'd be a rat. 234 00:15:46,476 --> 00:15:49,956 Speaker 5: Well, that was initially my reason, But as I thought 235 00:15:49,996 --> 00:15:52,236 Speaker 5: about it, there's no way I'm going to be living 236 00:15:52,316 --> 00:15:54,436 Speaker 5: like I'm in prison of some sorts. I'm in a 237 00:15:54,436 --> 00:15:59,036 Speaker 5: motel with some strangers. I know how I am. I'm 238 00:15:59,036 --> 00:16:00,916 Speaker 5: going to do what I damn well please, that's me. 239 00:16:01,916 --> 00:16:04,516 Speaker 2: Bob also says that he didn't think the program would 240 00:16:04,636 --> 00:16:08,756 Speaker 2: actually protect him. He worried that Pat Marcy, who apparently 241 00:16:08,756 --> 00:16:12,236 Speaker 2: had eyes everywhere, would pay someone off or somehow figure 242 00:16:12,236 --> 00:16:15,796 Speaker 2: out where they'd stashed Bob. So when it came time 243 00:16:15,796 --> 00:16:20,756 Speaker 2: to flee Chicago, Bob realizes, shit, he has no real plan, 244 00:16:21,996 --> 00:16:25,036 Speaker 2: But the Feds were a little more prepared. An hour 245 00:16:25,116 --> 00:16:28,196 Speaker 2: before his departure, they handed him a plane ticket to 246 00:16:28,316 --> 00:16:32,876 Speaker 2: Fort Myers, Florida. 247 00:16:33,516 --> 00:16:37,396 Speaker 5: All they said was when you land, find yourself a 248 00:16:37,436 --> 00:16:41,316 Speaker 5: hotel and then give us a call and tell us 249 00:16:41,356 --> 00:16:41,956 Speaker 5: where you are. 250 00:16:42,796 --> 00:16:45,836 Speaker 2: So there he was on a plane headed down to Florida, 251 00:16:46,436 --> 00:16:48,996 Speaker 2: winging it. He didn't even have a gun because he 252 00:16:49,036 --> 00:16:51,756 Speaker 2: knew we couldn't take one on the plane, and from 253 00:16:51,796 --> 00:16:55,916 Speaker 2: the moment he lands in Fort Myers he feels exposed. 254 00:16:56,396 --> 00:16:58,876 Speaker 5: I get off the plane, I look over and nurse 255 00:16:58,916 --> 00:17:01,476 Speaker 5: a sign Marco Island to the right. 256 00:17:01,996 --> 00:17:04,916 Speaker 2: Marco Island was a favorite destination for so many of 257 00:17:04,916 --> 00:17:08,556 Speaker 2: the mobsters that he knew back in Chicago. In Bob's mind, 258 00:17:08,676 --> 00:17:11,676 Speaker 2: it was pretty much Gangster Island. A few of these 259 00:17:11,676 --> 00:17:15,236 Speaker 2: guys even own property on the island, and now here 260 00:17:15,356 --> 00:17:18,836 Speaker 2: was Bob essentially on their turf. He couldn't believe it. 261 00:17:19,236 --> 00:17:21,396 Speaker 2: He probably should have thought about this the moment he 262 00:17:21,436 --> 00:17:24,636 Speaker 2: saw the plane tickets to Fort Myers, but everything had 263 00:17:24,676 --> 00:17:31,276 Speaker 2: happened so quickly, and now well, here he was. So 264 00:17:31,876 --> 00:17:34,756 Speaker 2: Bob checks into a local motel, calls a number that 265 00:17:34,796 --> 00:17:38,356 Speaker 2: the FBI has given him. Sometime later, an agent shows 266 00:17:38,436 --> 00:17:41,396 Speaker 2: up offers to take Bob out to dinner. They go 267 00:17:41,436 --> 00:17:45,196 Speaker 2: to a nearby restaurant, but first the agent does something 268 00:17:45,236 --> 00:17:46,556 Speaker 2: that unsettles Bob. 269 00:17:47,276 --> 00:17:51,836 Speaker 5: He walks over, opens the trunk, takes off his gun, 270 00:17:52,036 --> 00:17:56,196 Speaker 5: puts his gun on the trunk. What are you doing? 271 00:17:57,476 --> 00:18:00,436 Speaker 5: He says, I never wear my gun when I'm drinking. 272 00:18:01,756 --> 00:18:02,756 Speaker 5: Here's my protection. 273 00:18:04,156 --> 00:18:06,676 Speaker 2: Later that night, Bob's back at his motel. 274 00:18:07,156 --> 00:18:10,836 Speaker 5: I'm in this room by myself with no weapon though 275 00:18:10,916 --> 00:18:13,796 Speaker 5: nothing you know, along with everything else. Yeah, how did 276 00:18:13,796 --> 00:18:16,236 Speaker 5: I sleep? I didn't sleep real well that night. I 277 00:18:16,276 --> 00:18:18,156 Speaker 5: probably slept maybe half an hour if that. 278 00:18:19,596 --> 00:18:21,636 Speaker 2: Just A day or so later, Bob was on the 279 00:18:21,716 --> 00:18:32,236 Speaker 2: run again, heading west to his next hiding spot. Meanwhile, 280 00:18:32,476 --> 00:18:35,836 Speaker 2: back in Chicago, the ship was about to hit the fan. 281 00:18:36,596 --> 00:18:39,876 Speaker 2: Carol Marine, the journalist, was still looking into the first ward. 282 00:18:40,236 --> 00:18:45,236 Speaker 7: I'm sitting in my desk at NBC in the newsroom, 283 00:18:45,636 --> 00:18:47,396 Speaker 7: and a source I hadn't talked to it in about 284 00:18:47,396 --> 00:18:49,796 Speaker 7: five years, said Carol. 285 00:18:51,076 --> 00:18:52,676 Speaker 4: Get a picture of Bob Cooley. 286 00:18:53,956 --> 00:18:57,796 Speaker 7: He is going to break the first ward. 287 00:18:59,196 --> 00:19:02,316 Speaker 2: Carol began to connect the dots, and as she did, 288 00:19:02,636 --> 00:19:05,596 Speaker 2: she got a sense of the scope of operation Gambat. 289 00:19:06,516 --> 00:19:09,796 Speaker 7: So this is like a not just a cascade, It's 290 00:19:09,836 --> 00:19:15,956 Speaker 7: an earthquake on Chicago politics. I mean, this is a 291 00:19:16,036 --> 00:19:23,076 Speaker 7: staggering revelation involving a lawyer. Virtually no one outside of 292 00:19:23,116 --> 00:19:27,236 Speaker 7: a circle of real insiders knew at all. 293 00:19:27,356 --> 00:19:30,156 Speaker 2: Carol scrambled to find as much as she could, and 294 00:19:30,196 --> 00:19:32,276 Speaker 2: she broke the story on the evening news. 295 00:19:32,396 --> 00:19:33,636 Speaker 1: The Cattle High Teams of. 296 00:19:33,756 --> 00:19:40,356 Speaker 8: Ten Tonight exclusive details of a huge federal investigation into 297 00:19:40,356 --> 00:19:41,676 Speaker 8: the heart of organized. 298 00:19:41,276 --> 00:19:42,196 Speaker 1: Crime in Chicago. 299 00:19:42,516 --> 00:19:45,516 Speaker 8: For years, Chicago's First Ward has been openly referred to 300 00:19:45,596 --> 00:19:49,076 Speaker 8: as the Mobs Ward. Tonight, Carol has the exclusive story 301 00:19:49,076 --> 00:19:52,516 Speaker 8: of the man who apparently infiltrated the ward's politics and 302 00:19:52,596 --> 00:19:53,276 Speaker 8: its bosses. 303 00:19:53,996 --> 00:19:57,356 Speaker 9: Ron For approximately five years, a Chicago lawyer has been 304 00:19:57,396 --> 00:20:01,156 Speaker 9: a government informant, secretly recording conversations with some of this 305 00:20:01,236 --> 00:20:04,196 Speaker 9: city's movers and shakers, some of whom have long been 306 00:20:04,236 --> 00:20:07,476 Speaker 9: reputed to have organized crime connections. The identity of this 307 00:20:07,556 --> 00:20:10,316 Speaker 9: informant will come as a shock to some powerful people. 308 00:20:10,716 --> 00:20:13,956 Speaker 9: The man who wore the wire and infiltrated Chicago's First 309 00:20:14,076 --> 00:20:17,556 Speaker 9: Ward is forty seven year old Robert J. Cooley, a 310 00:20:17,596 --> 00:20:21,116 Speaker 9: former policeman the son of a policeman, Cooley became a 311 00:20:21,116 --> 00:20:25,356 Speaker 9: politically well connected Chicago attorney five years ago began to 312 00:20:25,396 --> 00:20:29,756 Speaker 9: go undercover for the government, taping conversations with Chicago Alderman, 313 00:20:29,956 --> 00:20:31,916 Speaker 9: State senators and judges. 314 00:20:31,996 --> 00:20:36,316 Speaker 2: And that was it. Bob was outed the news made 315 00:20:36,356 --> 00:20:40,236 Speaker 2: a seismic impact. One FBI agent went to City Hall 316 00:20:40,596 --> 00:20:45,916 Speaker 2: and witnessed an unforgettable scene involving Johnny Diarco Junior. Johnny 317 00:20:45,996 --> 00:20:48,556 Speaker 2: was the poet and state senator whom Bob had bribed 318 00:20:48,636 --> 00:20:52,316 Speaker 2: on tape. Johnny Junior was standing in a phone booth 319 00:20:52,436 --> 00:20:56,396 Speaker 2: when apparently he got the news. The FBI agent would 320 00:20:56,476 --> 00:21:00,316 Speaker 2: later recount the scene in court, saying Johnny Junior quote 321 00:21:00,836 --> 00:21:03,676 Speaker 2: gasped like he was in pain, almost as if the 322 00:21:03,716 --> 00:21:06,316 Speaker 2: wind had been knocked out of him. He then fell 323 00:21:06,356 --> 00:21:08,716 Speaker 2: to the floor, holding his head in his hands, and 324 00:21:08,796 --> 00:21:20,796 Speaker 2: called out, oh my God, almost right away. A number 325 00:21:20,836 --> 00:21:25,236 Speaker 2: of newspaper articles were written about Bob. One of them began, quote, 326 00:21:25,716 --> 00:21:28,596 Speaker 2: most people know Robert Cooley as a fast talking lawyer, 327 00:21:28,636 --> 00:21:32,116 Speaker 2: an inveterate gambler who bragged of his political prowess and 328 00:21:32,196 --> 00:21:35,836 Speaker 2: said he could fix almost any case. It described Bob 329 00:21:35,876 --> 00:21:38,956 Speaker 2: as a lawyer who quote rarely opened a law book 330 00:21:39,516 --> 00:21:42,596 Speaker 2: and instead relied on his friends to answer the most 331 00:21:42,636 --> 00:21:46,436 Speaker 2: basic questions of law. It quoted a friend of Bob's 332 00:21:46,436 --> 00:21:49,556 Speaker 2: who said his reputation was never that of a scholar, 333 00:21:49,996 --> 00:21:52,676 Speaker 2: but he let it be known that he could occasionally 334 00:21:52,796 --> 00:21:58,316 Speaker 2: use his contacts to move mountains. The article ended by 335 00:21:58,356 --> 00:22:02,956 Speaker 2: noting that Bob, the self proclaimed mover of mountains, liked 336 00:22:03,036 --> 00:22:06,716 Speaker 2: to gamble and quote, built up debts to organize crime, 337 00:22:06,996 --> 00:22:11,116 Speaker 2: and feared for his life. Other journalists wrote articles in 338 00:22:11,156 --> 00:22:14,476 Speaker 2: a similar vein, and soon Bob's life was being condensed 339 00:22:14,636 --> 00:22:17,716 Speaker 2: into a few simple facts and assumptions. He was a 340 00:22:17,716 --> 00:22:21,436 Speaker 2: corrupt lawyer and a braggart, a man unversed in the law, 341 00:22:21,916 --> 00:22:24,636 Speaker 2: an opportunist who flipped to protect himself. 342 00:22:26,076 --> 00:22:30,356 Speaker 5: And I'm a basket case when I see this, and 343 00:22:30,396 --> 00:22:34,716 Speaker 5: I'm envisioning my mother sitting. My mother's in a convalescent 344 00:22:34,756 --> 00:22:38,276 Speaker 5: home over there, a carmel aid home, and I'm envisioning 345 00:22:38,316 --> 00:22:41,716 Speaker 5: her watching this and with all her friends, you know, 346 00:22:41,796 --> 00:22:44,476 Speaker 5: all their friends are seeing all this, making me out 347 00:22:44,556 --> 00:22:45,956 Speaker 5: to be the rat of all time. 348 00:22:48,756 --> 00:22:53,356 Speaker 2: And the facts being reported weren't entirely wrong. Before he flipped, 349 00:22:53,636 --> 00:22:57,156 Speaker 2: Bob did owe money to some bookies, but remember he 350 00:22:57,236 --> 00:23:00,076 Speaker 2: was mostly off the hook for those debts, and at 351 00:23:00,076 --> 00:23:03,316 Speaker 2: the time, as far as I can tell, Bob was 352 00:23:03,356 --> 00:23:08,676 Speaker 2: in no immediate danger. In any case, Bob was absolutely 353 00:23:08,716 --> 00:23:13,436 Speaker 2: pummeled in the press. He had hoped, perhaps naively, that 354 00:23:13,476 --> 00:23:16,036 Speaker 2: he would emerge as a hero in the papers, that 355 00:23:16,116 --> 00:23:19,596 Speaker 2: his dirty past and other shortcomings would be eclipsed by 356 00:23:19,596 --> 00:23:22,196 Speaker 2: the good he'd done, that his mother would finally see 357 00:23:22,236 --> 00:23:26,316 Speaker 2: him as righteous. Instead, he came across in print as 358 00:23:26,356 --> 00:23:35,556 Speaker 2: the rat of all time. Bob wasn't the only one 359 00:23:35,636 --> 00:23:39,596 Speaker 2: navigating this mess. His brother, Joe Cooley, was a police 360 00:23:39,636 --> 00:23:42,236 Speaker 2: officer at the time. He told me he had a 361 00:23:42,276 --> 00:23:44,916 Speaker 2: falling out with some of his fellow officers when they 362 00:23:44,916 --> 00:23:48,316 Speaker 2: called Bob a snitch. Joe says he didn't care. He 363 00:23:48,436 --> 00:23:52,196 Speaker 2: was proud of what his brother did. Bob's other brother, Dennis, 364 00:23:52,356 --> 00:23:55,556 Speaker 2: the former prosecutor, says he also got an ear full. 365 00:23:55,996 --> 00:23:59,876 Speaker 10: For one thing. Now, I went from mister straight, narrow, 366 00:23:59,916 --> 00:24:03,316 Speaker 10: mister nice guy, to mister your brother's a fucking snitch. 367 00:24:03,996 --> 00:24:07,836 Speaker 2: Dennis says his bigger concern was now that Bob had vanished, 368 00:24:08,036 --> 00:24:11,156 Speaker 2: that the mob might ex act retribution on him and 369 00:24:11,236 --> 00:24:11,876 Speaker 2: his family. 370 00:24:12,556 --> 00:24:15,316 Speaker 10: I was afraid for my safety, and I was afraid 371 00:24:15,356 --> 00:24:18,996 Speaker 10: for my wife's safety, and I was afraid for other 372 00:24:19,356 --> 00:24:22,556 Speaker 10: relatives out there. You know, you didn't know, You didn't 373 00:24:22,596 --> 00:24:25,196 Speaker 10: know how they were going to react. You didn't know 374 00:24:25,236 --> 00:24:26,716 Speaker 10: if someone was going to come looking for you. 375 00:24:27,636 --> 00:24:28,076 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was. 376 00:24:28,396 --> 00:24:31,556 Speaker 10: I was concerned. Sure, I have been a full na 377 00:24:31,716 --> 00:24:31,876 Speaker 10: to me. 378 00:24:32,996 --> 00:24:36,036 Speaker 2: Bob says that before he ever left Chicago, he told 379 00:24:36,076 --> 00:24:38,716 Speaker 2: the FBI how important it was to him that no 380 00:24:38,796 --> 00:24:43,076 Speaker 2: harm come to his family. Apparently, the FED seemed confident 381 00:24:43,116 --> 00:24:46,676 Speaker 2: that the Coolies would be okay, as one prosecutor told 382 00:24:46,716 --> 00:24:50,916 Speaker 2: me rather surprisingly, they'd never seen a situation in Chicago 383 00:24:51,196 --> 00:24:55,836 Speaker 2: where the mob had taken retribution against family members. But 384 00:24:55,876 --> 00:25:00,156 Speaker 2: the FEDS could make no such promises for Bob. After all, 385 00:25:00,516 --> 00:25:03,676 Speaker 2: Bob would be the prosecution's star witness and the trials 386 00:25:03,716 --> 00:25:08,676 Speaker 2: against the mob, which meant for the foreseeable future, Bob 387 00:25:09,116 --> 00:25:12,396 Speaker 2: he had a big, fat target on his back and 388 00:25:12,436 --> 00:25:26,196 Speaker 2: would be on the run for quite some time. Before 389 00:25:26,196 --> 00:25:28,196 Speaker 2: we get back to the story, I want to mention 390 00:25:28,556 --> 00:25:32,036 Speaker 2: in this last segment we talk about a suicide. Just 391 00:25:32,156 --> 00:25:39,516 Speaker 2: a heads up, Bob's role in Operation Gambat was far 392 00:25:39,556 --> 00:25:43,236 Speaker 2: from over. After all, courts moved slowly. It would take 393 00:25:43,356 --> 00:25:47,036 Speaker 2: years to prosecute Pat Marcy and other first Word targets, 394 00:25:47,596 --> 00:25:52,316 Speaker 2: but the process was underway. Prosecutors began issuing subpoenas. They 395 00:25:52,316 --> 00:25:57,196 Speaker 2: would end up charging at least two dozen men, politicians, lawyers, judges, 396 00:25:57,236 --> 00:26:01,276 Speaker 2: and cops. In fact, just a week after Bob vanished, 397 00:26:01,476 --> 00:26:05,116 Speaker 2: on December sixth, nineteen eighty nine, the wheels of justice 398 00:26:05,156 --> 00:26:10,596 Speaker 2: were already turning. A grand jury was convened in Chicago. 399 00:26:11,276 --> 00:26:14,956 Speaker 2: It was looking into, among other things, whether Judge Frank 400 00:26:14,996 --> 00:26:18,836 Speaker 2: Wilson had been bribed in that infamous murder case. He 401 00:26:18,876 --> 00:26:23,396 Speaker 2: had been subpoened on that day. However, Wilson failed to 402 00:26:23,436 --> 00:26:28,836 Speaker 2: show up in court. If you recall, the judge's daughter, 403 00:26:29,036 --> 00:26:31,756 Speaker 2: mary Anne, had been worried about her father when he 404 00:26:31,796 --> 00:26:34,276 Speaker 2: had called her a few months back told her that 405 00:26:34,316 --> 00:26:37,876 Speaker 2: things are going to get really bad. Then in February, 406 00:26:38,236 --> 00:26:41,436 Speaker 2: Marianne got a call from her mother telling her, your 407 00:26:41,436 --> 00:26:42,276 Speaker 2: father has died. 408 00:26:43,116 --> 00:26:46,396 Speaker 6: And so I said how, I said, he was okay. 409 00:26:47,476 --> 00:26:52,716 Speaker 6: He had some problems with his carate artery, but I said, yeah, 410 00:26:52,756 --> 00:26:55,556 Speaker 6: he's all right, And she said yeah. 411 00:26:55,236 --> 00:27:00,076 Speaker 2: Well, as in yeah, well these things happened. He was 412 00:27:00,116 --> 00:27:03,596 Speaker 2: seventy four years old and hardly in perfect health, so 413 00:27:03,716 --> 00:27:07,036 Speaker 2: it wasn't totally surprising that he passed away, at least 414 00:27:07,036 --> 00:27:10,316 Speaker 2: not initially. But when she got out to Arizona, it 415 00:27:10,436 --> 00:27:13,836 Speaker 2: was a different story. When Marianne arrived at her parents' house, 416 00:27:14,316 --> 00:27:17,196 Speaker 2: she got to talking with a neighbor and he filled 417 00:27:17,196 --> 00:27:18,996 Speaker 2: her in on what really happened. 418 00:27:19,596 --> 00:27:24,676 Speaker 6: He said, well, your father took his own life. And 419 00:27:24,716 --> 00:27:27,996 Speaker 6: I said, oh, no he didn't, and he said, yeah, 420 00:27:27,996 --> 00:27:29,956 Speaker 6: he did. He goes I was out now I saw 421 00:27:30,556 --> 00:27:31,836 Speaker 6: him afterwards. 422 00:27:32,596 --> 00:27:36,676 Speaker 2: Days before, the neighborhood heard a gunshot near Judge Wilson's house. 423 00:27:37,356 --> 00:27:40,676 Speaker 2: He came over and found him. He had shot himself. 424 00:27:41,596 --> 00:27:43,916 Speaker 2: Mary Anne says her mother was in denial about what 425 00:27:43,956 --> 00:27:46,996 Speaker 2: had happened. That she kept on insisting that her father 426 00:27:47,116 --> 00:27:49,996 Speaker 2: didn't mean to do it, that it was an accident. 427 00:27:50,556 --> 00:27:51,396 Speaker 5: And then. 428 00:27:52,916 --> 00:27:55,196 Speaker 6: The second night I was out there at two o'clock 429 00:27:55,236 --> 00:27:58,676 Speaker 6: in the morning, I see her and she's in the 430 00:27:58,836 --> 00:28:02,716 Speaker 6: garage where he had done it, and she is on 431 00:28:02,756 --> 00:28:08,156 Speaker 6: the floor trying to clean up the blood with a toothbrush, 432 00:28:08,196 --> 00:28:10,636 Speaker 6: and I said what do you do and she said, well, 433 00:28:10,636 --> 00:28:13,236 Speaker 6: I just want to clean it up so no one 434 00:28:13,276 --> 00:28:13,876 Speaker 6: sees it. 435 00:28:14,956 --> 00:28:19,116 Speaker 2: Judge Wilson left two notes, one for Marianne and one 436 00:28:19,116 --> 00:28:21,716 Speaker 2: for her mother. She told me that the two notes 437 00:28:21,756 --> 00:28:23,116 Speaker 2: couldn't have been more different. 438 00:28:24,156 --> 00:28:28,476 Speaker 6: My note was helping me do all these things, to 439 00:28:28,516 --> 00:28:33,356 Speaker 6: take care of all these matters. Hers was basically, I'm 440 00:28:33,396 --> 00:28:37,316 Speaker 6: really sorry. I just kind of like, I can't take 441 00:28:37,396 --> 00:28:43,516 Speaker 6: it anymore. I don't want you to lose a pension. Basically, 442 00:28:43,556 --> 00:28:45,876 Speaker 6: that was kind of it. I think he said I 443 00:28:45,876 --> 00:28:49,356 Speaker 6: love you or something, which she said to me too, 444 00:28:49,476 --> 00:28:51,116 Speaker 6: which she didn't say often. 445 00:28:52,556 --> 00:28:55,436 Speaker 2: Marianne did the things that she had to do to 446 00:28:55,556 --> 00:28:58,116 Speaker 2: care for her mother and to tell the members of 447 00:28:58,156 --> 00:28:59,276 Speaker 2: her extended family. 448 00:28:59,956 --> 00:29:05,076 Speaker 6: He was always like the rock of the family. If 449 00:29:05,116 --> 00:29:08,716 Speaker 6: anyone had a problem, they would go to him. So 450 00:29:08,836 --> 00:29:12,716 Speaker 6: it's like, you don't expect someone like that and to 451 00:29:12,796 --> 00:29:17,036 Speaker 6: commit suicide. 452 00:29:17,196 --> 00:29:20,556 Speaker 2: After her father's death, mary Anne was in an incredibly 453 00:29:20,556 --> 00:29:25,036 Speaker 2: difficult situation for so many reasons. She was devastated and 454 00:29:25,076 --> 00:29:27,996 Speaker 2: grieving and depressed. There were all the things that she 455 00:29:28,076 --> 00:29:30,276 Speaker 2: had to do for her family, and on top of that, 456 00:29:30,636 --> 00:29:34,596 Speaker 2: eventually the judge's death made the news, along with allegations 457 00:29:34,596 --> 00:29:37,716 Speaker 2: of corruption, which made it all the harder. 458 00:29:38,716 --> 00:29:41,036 Speaker 6: I just wish he had not done that and he 459 00:29:41,076 --> 00:29:46,036 Speaker 6: had fought, you know, because that's like another thing when 460 00:29:46,156 --> 00:29:51,196 Speaker 6: someone does that, that makes him look really guilty. 461 00:29:51,276 --> 00:29:54,436 Speaker 2: And in a way she was left to answer for him, 462 00:29:54,876 --> 00:29:56,756 Speaker 2: which was an impossible task. 463 00:29:57,676 --> 00:30:00,116 Speaker 6: I feel like if there's two sides of the story, 464 00:30:00,596 --> 00:30:03,276 Speaker 6: people can make up their mind. I mean, I just 465 00:30:03,276 --> 00:30:07,516 Speaker 6: feel like he never got his side of the story 466 00:30:08,636 --> 00:30:08,916 Speaker 6: to this. 467 00:30:09,716 --> 00:30:13,156 Speaker 2: Mary Anne strongly believes that her father is innocent, that 468 00:30:13,236 --> 00:30:16,836 Speaker 2: he never took the bribe, and I should reiterate aside 469 00:30:16,876 --> 00:30:20,236 Speaker 2: from the allegations in this one case, he appears to 470 00:30:20,276 --> 00:30:23,396 Speaker 2: have been an honest judge. Mary Anne sent me a 471 00:30:23,396 --> 00:30:27,396 Speaker 2: newspaper article from the nineteen sixties. The article praised her 472 00:30:27,396 --> 00:30:31,436 Speaker 2: father's integrity. It even began with the words Frank J. 473 00:30:31,716 --> 00:30:38,116 Speaker 2: Wilson is a man to be admired. It's hard telling 474 00:30:38,156 --> 00:30:41,596 Speaker 2: a story like this because the judge can't defend himself, 475 00:30:41,756 --> 00:30:45,196 Speaker 2: can't push back against Bob's narrative, can't offer a new 476 00:30:45,236 --> 00:30:51,956 Speaker 2: evidence or extenuating circumstances. There's just a notorious trial, a death, 477 00:30:52,556 --> 00:30:57,036 Speaker 2: two suicide notes, and a daughter who's doing her very 478 00:30:57,116 --> 00:30:58,956 Speaker 2: best to make sense of it all. 479 00:31:01,436 --> 00:31:05,476 Speaker 6: My dad's dad and pas. I don't know where he is, 480 00:31:05,516 --> 00:31:07,476 Speaker 6: but it just doesn't seem fair. 481 00:31:17,196 --> 00:31:20,076 Speaker 2: Bob doesn't remember exactly when he heard the news about 482 00:31:20,156 --> 00:31:23,796 Speaker 2: Judge Wilson's death, but it was probably a few days 483 00:31:23,836 --> 00:31:25,076 Speaker 2: after the fact. 484 00:31:25,396 --> 00:31:28,436 Speaker 5: And I got a call. I don't remember who called me. 485 00:31:28,596 --> 00:31:33,276 Speaker 5: Somebody called me. I mean, I broke down I broke down. 486 00:31:34,316 --> 00:31:38,996 Speaker 5: I just I cried for hours because I felt maybe 487 00:31:39,636 --> 00:31:43,236 Speaker 5: it's because of me. I felt that way. Maybe it is, 488 00:31:43,716 --> 00:31:46,156 Speaker 5: and I'm hoping and praying to myself it's because of 489 00:31:46,196 --> 00:31:50,036 Speaker 5: his own other problems. But no, that was a that 490 00:31:50,156 --> 00:31:53,836 Speaker 5: was a real rough rough go for me. That was 491 00:31:53,876 --> 00:32:04,796 Speaker 5: a rough go. Cam It's springing back, springing back, springing 492 00:32:04,836 --> 00:32:05,956 Speaker 5: back some bad memories. 493 00:32:08,236 --> 00:32:12,356 Speaker 2: Bob says, after hearing about the judges suicide, he got 494 00:32:12,436 --> 00:32:15,716 Speaker 2: in his car and just started driving. He was staying 495 00:32:15,716 --> 00:32:18,956 Speaker 2: in Colorado at the time, and he headed into the mountains. 496 00:32:19,676 --> 00:32:21,196 Speaker 5: I don't know if I was going to drive off 497 00:32:21,236 --> 00:32:32,796 Speaker 5: the cliff for what I was probably doing about Who 498 00:32:32,836 --> 00:32:39,916 Speaker 5: knows how fast. I was going as fast as I could. Yeah, 499 00:32:42,316 --> 00:32:50,876 Speaker 5: and I got pulled over by This is silly I got. 500 00:32:50,916 --> 00:32:57,156 Speaker 5: I got pulled over by a trooper and he was 501 00:32:57,196 --> 00:33:02,196 Speaker 5: really angry. When he came up to the carpet. He 502 00:33:02,316 --> 00:33:08,716 Speaker 5: probably saw me looking like I look right now and 503 00:33:08,796 --> 00:33:11,676 Speaker 5: as you told him about to your friend of mine 504 00:33:12,236 --> 00:33:20,356 Speaker 5: just committed suicide. I have no idea why he obviously 505 00:33:20,436 --> 00:33:27,796 Speaker 5: believed me, because he tried to see he tried to 506 00:33:27,836 --> 00:33:31,556 Speaker 5: consult me, and he just sat there with me, probably 507 00:33:31,596 --> 00:33:36,036 Speaker 5: for maybe half an hour and convincing me to go 508 00:33:36,116 --> 00:33:36,596 Speaker 5: back home. 509 00:33:39,836 --> 00:33:42,236 Speaker 2: When he was done telling me this story, we took 510 00:33:42,276 --> 00:33:45,476 Speaker 2: a break. I had never seen Bob so broken up. 511 00:33:45,996 --> 00:33:47,996 Speaker 2: It was like he just bottled all of this up. 512 00:33:48,916 --> 00:33:51,556 Speaker 2: After he had a moment, we started back up again. 513 00:33:52,516 --> 00:33:56,316 Speaker 2: Have you ever talked to anyone about this about like? 514 00:33:56,716 --> 00:34:00,196 Speaker 5: No, I would to me, it's something I have to 515 00:34:00,196 --> 00:34:03,316 Speaker 5: handle myself. And it took a while to you know, 516 00:34:03,396 --> 00:34:05,836 Speaker 5: to get over it. But you know, but then it's like, 517 00:34:05,996 --> 00:34:09,116 Speaker 5: you know, like I would tell people, that's the last 518 00:34:09,236 --> 00:34:13,156 Speaker 5: week's news. You know, that's the mindset you have to have. 519 00:34:13,316 --> 00:34:14,756 Speaker 5: I mean, things I have to live with. 520 00:34:20,116 --> 00:34:22,876 Speaker 2: And I kind of got it. There was no looking 521 00:34:22,916 --> 00:34:26,596 Speaker 2: back for Bob, no dwelling on what had happened, the 522 00:34:26,596 --> 00:34:29,636 Speaker 2: death of his friend, all the bad press that he'd gotten, 523 00:34:30,076 --> 00:34:33,236 Speaker 2: the life he'd once had in Chicago, the very man 524 00:34:33,316 --> 00:34:37,276 Speaker 2: that he'd once been. All of it was last week's news. 525 00:34:37,676 --> 00:34:41,236 Speaker 2: What mattered now was finishing what he'd begun. What mattered 526 00:34:41,316 --> 00:34:44,596 Speaker 2: was staying alive to testify in the trials against Pat 527 00:34:44,676 --> 00:34:48,156 Speaker 2: Marcy and the other targets. What mattered was fixing his 528 00:34:48,196 --> 00:34:53,316 Speaker 2: original sin and ensuring that Harry Alamann was retried. There 529 00:34:53,396 --> 00:34:55,796 Speaker 2: was still a chance that some good might come from this, 530 00:34:56,556 --> 00:35:00,156 Speaker 2: something to justify all that had been lost For Bob, 531 00:35:00,756 --> 00:35:18,436 Speaker 2: that's all that mattered. Now. Next time on deep Cover, 532 00:35:18,996 --> 00:35:21,076 Speaker 2: our final episode. 533 00:35:21,156 --> 00:35:24,596 Speaker 9: They have nothing but this memory of how they last 534 00:35:24,636 --> 00:35:28,756 Speaker 9: seen their family member, laying on a street full of 535 00:35:28,796 --> 00:35:30,276 Speaker 9: bullet holes, moaning. 536 00:35:30,676 --> 00:35:34,556 Speaker 11: I thought that it's very wrong for judges to get 537 00:35:34,596 --> 00:35:37,796 Speaker 11: paid off so that hitman can continue to murder people. 538 00:35:37,996 --> 00:35:41,036 Speaker 11: Nobody wants to testify because their mothers scream at them 539 00:35:41,036 --> 00:35:42,076 Speaker 11: that you're going to get murdered. 540 00:35:42,636 --> 00:35:45,156 Speaker 5: And they said, you can't go back home, and I supplied. 541 00:35:45,276 --> 00:35:47,836 Speaker 5: They said, supposedly somebody was on the way out there 542 00:35:47,876 --> 00:35:48,356 Speaker 5: to kill me. 543 00:35:48,716 --> 00:35:52,516 Speaker 7: They're surrounded by agents, they're in bulletproof vests, they've got 544 00:35:52,756 --> 00:35:58,516 Speaker 7: automatic weapons everywhere. Yes, you are the center of the universe. 545 00:36:21,076 --> 00:36:24,276 Speaker 2: Deep Cover is produced by Jacob Smith and Amy Gaines 546 00:36:24,476 --> 00:36:28,596 Speaker 2: and edited by Karen Chakerji. Our senior editor is Jenuera. 547 00:36:29,036 --> 00:36:31,876 Speaker 2: Original music in our theme was composed by Luis Garra 548 00:36:32,116 --> 00:36:35,116 Speaker 2: and Vaughan Williams as our engineer. Our art this season 549 00:36:35,196 --> 00:36:38,076 Speaker 2: was drawn by Cheryl Cook and designed by Sean Karney. 550 00:36:38,436 --> 00:36:42,316 Speaker 2: Nea Lobell as our executive producer. Special thanks to Heather Fame, 551 00:36:42,636 --> 00:36:47,716 Speaker 2: John Schnarz, Carl mcgliori, Maya Kning, Christina Sullivan, Eric Sandler, 552 00:36:47,876 --> 00:36:52,716 Speaker 2: Mary Beth Smith, Brant Haynes, Maggie Taylor, Nicolmarano, Magan Larson, 553 00:36:52,956 --> 00:36:57,996 Speaker 2: Royston Bserve, Lucy Sullivan, Edith Russlow, Riley Sullivant, Jason Gambrell, 554 00:36:58,276 --> 00:37:48,476 Speaker 2: Martin Gonzalez, and Jacob Weisberg. I'm Jake Halpern. Suicide is 555 00:37:48,516 --> 00:37:51,036 Speaker 2: a difficult topic. It can be hard for people to 556 00:37:51,076 --> 00:37:53,876 Speaker 2: talk about suicide or get help if they're in danger, 557 00:37:54,596 --> 00:37:58,796 Speaker 2: but there are resources available. The National Suicide Prevention Hotline 558 00:37:59,076 --> 00:38:04,036 Speaker 2: is an excellent resource. It's free, confidential, and available twenty 559 00:38:04,076 --> 00:38:07,236 Speaker 2: four hours a day. The number in the US is 560 00:38:07,396 --> 00:38:12,036 Speaker 2: one eight hundred two seven three eight two five five. 561 00:38:12,636 --> 00:38:16,596 Speaker 2: That's one eight hundred two seven three talk